Witness - Two schools in Nablus: Learning to die - Part 1

[SwEETMALiGaL12]

fucking isreali soldiers, shooting school children who are only trying to create a future for themselves, how fucked up is this? the suffering and pain that isreali is enduring on palestine is being done nothing about, the jews are literally repeating history of nazism on the people of palestine!!!

[botomofmyheart]

Holocaust is past, Palestine is present. Damn Zionists can't make the excuse of Holocaust to become filthy animals. Well in fact they are filthy animals. America and the rest of the West who is really dear towards Israel is equally involved in this butchering and slaughtering.

There is no other TERRORIST but ISRAEL.

[theoneandonlymak]

Stop and think a while and be rationale. Armed men engaging fire power on children with stones? So, manly. Hahahahah.

[freshdaily4u]

Fuck school, i would be out throwing rocks. Thats gangster to be scrappin fools with m-16's with only rocks. Thats called bein down for your shit. Cant say the same for those soldiers, cuz without there weapons they would get their asses beat the fuck down like rodney king. Real men dont bring guns to a fight, only bitches do.

[MauricioFB1]

Esses palestinos gostam de ver seus adolescentes jogando pedra nos sds aí se morrem! , melhor ainda pois atinge à opnião pública!!!

[rockynanach]

why dont these palistinian kids just go inside and study in stead of throwing rocks -its no wonder teenagers die

[allforall48]

so its our fault that they throw stones at there own schools?

[mamus4]

Muslims are such antoginizing pigs , they attack soldiers harbor criminals , Israel is and needs to create a security zone against these animals of Mohammed the pig , Im not jewish I despise muslims and the murders they are they managed to kill and chase away most the Christians from the region

[botomofmyheart]

@mamus4 : If i had a gun and u were in front of me, i'd shoot you in your sodden face!

[SwEETMALiGaL12]

@mamus4 shut fuck up bitch u dont even know what the hell you're talking

[3mustafha3]

Palestinian animals

[larrylife4life]

What excuse will the cowardly Israeli government hide behind when confronted with such undeniable proof of their terrorism? Schoolchildren unable to go about their daily lives without constant Israeli gunfire and aggression: that's the reality of the situation. US propaganda always has some excuse for its terror and the terror of its clients, to veil its true motives. The only way to communicate with such a hostile entity is through assertive militancy; the kind used by Hezbollah and Hamas.

[Ken1567]

the low self-esteem israeli soldiers are getting a sense of empowerment by shooting on a bunch of children.

[ishiam]

during the ottoman empire the muslims accepted the jews and christians as "people of the book" and let the own property have rights even join the army contrary to the norm of the time of just murdering them or turning them into slaves...the hole conflict over there isnt completely israels fault or the palestinians. But the peaceful creation of israel by maybe paying for the land or coming to a mutual agreement would have been better

[hor143ak407]

i wish every student in there would have ak407 rather than stone

and inshaAllah they would defeat the hayood or isreal

[nipomocarlos84]

all i can say is SHARMUTA

[covertcovenant]

Give justice where it is due, and voila peace is right ahead, that is all that is needed! Justice = Peace! End the occupation, treat your neighbors fairly, and you will have mutual dignity and peace, it is not as hard or dramatic as Wolf Blitzer is trying to make it sound on CNN.

[thomasmc1957]

The NAZI Zionists will NEVER be forgiven for what they have done to the Palestinian people, who the land rightly belongs to!

[dale3858]

Jews should leave Palestine. This is Palestine. Stolen land by the world. What do the Jews and the world think is going to happen.

This is fucked up. Children or anybody shouldn't have to live like that anywhere. Palestinians need a home too. And that is their home.

[electango]

The Jews immigrated to Palestine seeking better lives, the same as the Irish immigrated to the USA. And the same as North African Muslims are immigrating to France or Holland. The French don't want the Africans moving to France. They think the Africans are trying to take over France. Do you think the Muslims should leave France as well or do you apply your anti immigrant ideology to Jews only?

[mariekemph]

The time spent throwing stones at tanks, should have been used to learn!

The boys' teachers should have taken control of the situation, and forced those kids into the classrooms. Ridiculous.

[chinadragonyear]

the only ridiculous thing is your comment that insinuates any learning can go on in such a situation. how much education do you have -may I ask?

[chinadragonyear]

tanks and guns against children throwing stones? Israeli's should be ashamed

[electango]

Big heroes! Fighting with soldiers and terrorizing schoolgirls. Why aren't those schoolboys in school studying and preparing for constructive lives? Instead they are disrupting and creating chaos. The goal is to bring Hamas to power in the West Bank and ultimately to drive the Jews into the sea. Israel is showing remarkable restraint.

[dale3858]

Lets not forget, Hamas was democratically elected.

This land was stolen from the Palestinians by the US and Great Britain.

This story of god is nothing but a fairy tale based on real Astrology, "the stars". God is a total fraud. It's nothing but a fairy tale because humans are so vain, that they cannot fathom death. So greedy, they want to live forever. It's bullshit...

All this horror over a lie, much like Iraq.

WHERE IS GOD??? He certainly isn't very merciful, that's for sure.

[larrylife4life]

Any government that legally sanctions the terrorization of a defenseless population deserves to be driven into the sea.

[electango]

And you hypocritically support the Palestinian cause which has been practicing terrorism for a hundred years.

[larrylife4life]

I don't know what you mean by "terrorism." Does that mean defending your country from an intruder whose goal is the complete thievery of it? OK, then they are terrorists. That term has no meaning anymore, thanks to the foolish usage of it by people like you.

[electango]

Israelis for years have been the targets of Palestinian militant attacks. There have been thousands of missiles fired into Israeli farms, towns and cities by Palestinians. There have been thousands bombs placed and exploded on Israeli streets and on public transit vehicles by Palestinians. These Palestinian attacks are part of a racist campaign to make life impossible for Jewish people in Israel. Assertive militancy is a two way street.

[larrylife4life]

Yes, Israelis are subject to some paltry rocket-fire by Palestinians over recent years. Though I doubt you'd ever honestly ask why the rockets continue to fall, it's actually simple. Palestinians have been subject to not only superior Israeli rocket-fire all paid for by US taxpayers, but from economic strangulation, unrelenting racism, and blockades that cripple their entire civilization. After all, there's no symmetry in this situation; Israel is the aggressive occupier agitating the natives..

[electango]

The buses blowing up in Israeli streets and killing Israeli schoolchildren were part of this campaign. As were the thousands of Hamas rockets shot into Southern Israeli communities. It's part of a racist campaign by Palestinian groups to push the Jewish people out of Israel. This racism is underwritten by the Muslim supremacist Iranian military dictatorship. In the old days the Jewish people meekly accepted such treatment. Thank God, this is no longer the case.

[larrylife4life]

You're missing the point again. Spouting off empty nomenclature won't get us anywhere. The word "racism" is devoid of meaning today, it's just a hollow term thrown around by people who are themsleves racist. I'm not doubting that there's terror committed against Israelis. What is important is the reason why the terror persists. The Zionist presence in Palestine is violently illegitimate, hence, the rockets. If Israel wanted peace, they could have it a week, but they never have.

[electango]

Jewish people have the same right to be in Israel as Arab Muslim people have the right to live in France. Jewish people like the Muslims moving to France today came to Israel seeking freedom and better lives. Unlike Muslims coming to France, however, they were greeted by Arab Muslims with violence which persists to this day. Jewish people have the right to defend themselves from that violence you see as legitimate. Of course, some prefer the days when Jews weren't allowed self defense.

[larrylife4life]

You're not on the same planet as me. Arab Musims never went to France to set up a segregated Muslim economy, segregated schools, and segregated politics as the so-called Jews did in the early 20th century. So your example is as laughable as the Zionist claim to Palestine. Everyone has the right to defend themselves, that is, if they aren't instigating violence and oppression backed by the world superpower. Some prefer the days when there was no oppression in Palestine; only some.

[electango]

So it's OK for the so called Arab Muslims to instigate violence and oppression if backed by a secondary power like Iran? So called Arab Muslims in France have taken over whole neighborhoods where non so called Arab Muslims are not allowed to go and they've had massive rioting by so called Arab Muslims where businesses have been trashed and cars burned. These so called Arab Muslims live in a separate economy with separate Muslim schools because they aren't wanted in France any more than

[larrylife4life]

The Palestinians never instigated oppression on Israelis. If you think so, then your history is completely backwards and false. Furtheremore, they don't even have the resources to insitgate oppression. They live in outstanding poverty. The Muslims in France don't live in a segregated system. That's just propaganda to force you to think that the "Evil Muslim Menace" is loose and we should go into Iraq, Afghanistan, etc. If you don't believe in freedom of religion, admit it; it won't seem unusual.

[electango]

People regularly oppress other people regardless of nationality, religion, or ethnicity. When Palestinians rioted in the twenties and raped Jewish women and slaughtered Jewish men, you don't consider that oppression? The Jewish people of Palestine thought it was. Of course, your idea of oppression might be different from mine. For the record, I believe in freedom of religion. However, in a system like Islam which combines religion, politics and the military--there is no freedom of religion.

[larrylife4life]

I think that entire statement in false. Oppression isn't something we should just accept because of its prevalence. Palestinians rioted because they were being expelled from there communities. Why wouldn't they riot? That's not oppression, that's reaction. Islam doesn't teach its practitioners to persecute others because of their religious stance. It regards all previous Abrahamic religions as, give or take a few insignificant chronologies and names, legitimate.

[electango]

You have an interesting definition of oppression. An innocent Jewish woman encounters a Palestinian mob which rapes and murders her. In your world, that innocent Jewish woman wasn't oppressed at all. She was herself at fault either because she had not converted to Islam or because she had the audacity to immigrate to Israel in the first place seeking freedom and a better life. She was in fact herself an oppressor of Muslims and those Muslims were doing their duty in raping and murdering her.

[larrylife4life]

I'm not trying to absolve anyone of their crimes. All parties are guilty of at least some wrongdoing. What's relevant is why the crimes started and why they persist. Hatred doesn't breed compassion and understanding. Instead, it breeds equal hatred and disdain. Muslims were never angry at Zionists because they didn't convert to Islam. The Jewish woman being raped isn't guilty of anything. But if her so-called leaders oppress in her name, then she may be subject to hatred by those oppressed.

[electango]

The rapes were made possible by Muslim clerics who during their services told their followers to go kill Jews. Just like the Hamas preachers do today in their mosques and on their TV broadcasts. These preachers tell the illiterate masses that it is their duty to God to destroy the Jews. The Jewish women raped by Muslim mobs are the oppressed victims of the Muslim clerical establishment and the rapists themselves. Give the Muslims the dignity of holding them responsible for their actions.

[larrylife4life]

The Muslim clerics of the day would've never gave such irrational duties to their followers as "blindly kill Jews." That frame of mind was precisley that of the Zionist, whose demagogic finger singled out Arabs for occupying "their lands." The Zionists had only one enemy: the Arab. To accuse those Muslims of instigating unprovoked violence would be pure historical backwardness. You seem incredibly fearful of a culture which you know nothing about.

[electango]

The Muslim clerics advocate blindly killing Jewish people regularly. You are either ignorant or lying about your knowledge of what the Palestinian Muslim clerics say openly in their Friday sermons. Since you are so ignorant, why should anything you say about the Zionists be any more informed?

[larrylife4life]

I can imagine how many Muslim sermons you've been to. You're apart of a group of hate-spewing liberals who could mistake a speech about self-defense one about radical militancy. What those Palestinian clerics allegedly say is practically nonexistent compared to what ultra right Orthodox Jews verifiably say. Since you are a slippery, gutless hypocrite, I'm sure you'll have another eloquent propagandistic face-saver for Zionist crimes.

[electango]

You are either an ignorant fool or a bald faced liar. Which is it? Palestinian Muslim clerics don't hide their antisemitism or pretend they are talking about self defense when they openly call for the extermination of the Jewish people from the Arab World. These are mainstream Palestinian spokesmen, not extremists. They represent the feelings of most Palestinians. You don't come off as the type to support genocide. So much for first impressions.

[larrylife4life]

How perceptive of you. Palestinian Muslim clerics don't have any antisemitism to hide. Anti-Israel or Zionist rhetoric amounts to anti-semitism only to groups like the rapacious ADL, who hound the international scene looking to amplify the slightest deviation from the mainstream. Notice you've no proof. Your entire body of knowledge probably depends on a handful of hate-mongering, anti-Muslim websites, whose entire body of knowledge depends on Alan Dershowitz. There's no mainstream in Palestine.

[electango]

The mainstream in Palestine demands the complete "right of return" of all refugees which they define as at least 6 million Palestinians into the State of Israel. This is the non negotiable stance of both Fatah and Hamas. In other words, the mainstream position of the Palestinians is the destruction of the State of Israel. You want proof? Go to the official Hamas and Fatah websites. The answer is absorption of the Palestinians into Egypt and Jordan. Palestinianism has failed.

[larrylife4life]

Palestinianism? Wow, you silly propagandists have a wretched little term for every ideology that isn't yours. The right of return is exactly that, a right which is legitimate by international law, not by speculation. Both parties agree on it because it's just logical. Why should the world's Jews be allowed to "return" to Israel, even when they have no tie to it? I'm not going to repeat what everyone knows. Absorption is the solution of a stubborn child who has no use for international law.

[electango]

Because Hamas has the most support among the Palestinians and unfortunately Hamas is too dumb to govern effectively, the only acceptable option is for Egypt and Jordan--Muslim Arab states--to take over Gaza and the West Bank respectively. Thus, the Palestinians can become full citizens of Egypt or Jordan respectively and can be governed effectively. As it is right now, the situation played out to its logical conclusion will result in total war which means Israeli victory. I'm cool with that.

[larrylife4life]

I'll be frank now: Hamas should kill the Israelis into submission. I don't blame Hamas either. They should exterminate the Israeli dogs, and force peace on the region. That would be MY ideal solution. Palestinians will never be strangers in their own land, and no fascist mouthpiece will ever justify otherwise. You're cool with crooks and usurers being in power; fine, but don't condemn those who want justice. Those Muslim governments show a cowardice that no Palestinian deserves to live under.

[electango]

Total war? Why hold back? I'm for total war because Israel should be allowed to finish the job. Israel should impose its will on the psychos. Take them out. I agree with you. Keeping emotions bottled up as in this war of attrition is unhealthy. I favor letting it all hang out. Like the US did in Japan in 1945. And look, now the US and Japan get along pretty well. Do you support your friends in Hamas working for the Iran govt beating opposition demonstrators on the streets of Tehran?

[larrylife4life]

Right, when the cowards have tanks and American bulldozers, it becomes very easy for them to shout "total war!" Without the US, Israel would be another helpless harlot for the IMF to rape. Your analogy of Japan is so stupid, it barely even sets off my radar. I want Palestine to exist again. I want Israel to disappear from the pages of time. Your attitude has made me this way. I'm the result of your bestiality. I support Iran because it is the only state with enough gall to oppose the US.

[electango]

When you have a war, it will continue until one side wins the war. See, Israel could defeat the terrorists in 48 hours. Then, the war between the Arabs and the Jewish people would be over and the Jewish people and the Arabs could get on with their lives in peace. Instead, the USA controlled by the Saudis won't let Israel win. It's unhealthy. Do you support your friends in Hamas and Hezbollah working for the Iran govt beating and murdering opposition demonstrators on the streets of Tehran?

[larrylife4life]

Israel could "defeat" anyone in the region; it has about 200 nuclear weapons with deployment capacity. The alleged war between Arabs and Jews is bolstered by those who gain from it; the US and Israeli elites. No one else in the world benefits from the Occupation. The US was never controlled by anyone and you're completely lost if you think so. The Saudis are our loyal servants, who repress their own populations for us. Iran is reacting to violent, hostile elements in its own society, that's all.

[electango]

The fascist Iranian regime which is now beating and murdering the people of Iran for expressing their opposition to the corruption of the regime--they support Hamas and Hezbollah. They supply Hamas and Hezbollah to the tune of tens of billions of dollars annually. They want to import a totalitarian fascist Islamic fundamentalist military dictatorship into the Eastern Mediterranean. The world needs Israel to be the vibrant successful nation it continues to be to prevent a nightmare..

[larrylife4life]

The US subsidizes Israel to the tune of infinite. There's no limit to the unconditional support for Israel, knowing full well how that aid has been used: to kill, pillage, and then mount an effective PR campaign to rewrite the history. The world doesn't need Israel, as I've said before. Only US and Israeli elites need it for the great wealth it generates; in no small part due to the US. The world needs Israel about as much as it needs an asteroid. Just check the record, though I know you won't.

[electango]

the so called Jews were wanted in Palestine. If so called Arab Muslims have mosques in France, then they are pushing for Islamic Law in France which is imposing Islamic politics upon France. So on your planet, it's OK for so called Arab Muslims to plant their flag and make their claim upon Christian France. But not OK for Jewish people to live in Israel. On your planet, double standards are OK as long as the benefit the so called Arab Muslims not backed by the world superpower.

[larrylife4life]

Oh, I understand your point now: Freedom of religion is terrible, and we should all be good little Christians.

[electango]

Oh, so there is freedom of religion in Gaza?

[larrylife4life]

Islam is the religion of Gaza. The people there have always been Muslim. I don't understand your point. There is no repression of religious freedom there, there is simply a consensus. In Israel, Muslims are viewed with disdain, and are only useful insofar as they can work for Israelis. Even the Oriental Jews in Israel are viewed unfavorably because of there skin tone.

[electango]

So religious intolerance and repression of religion is OK in Gaza because the people there have always been Muslim. I suppose even the Arab Christians of Gaza and the Jews who lived in Gaza for 5000 years were Muslim. It's obvious in your posts that you are very tolerant of oppression of non Muslims by Muslims. The problem with that world view is it makes it hard for you to complain when Muslims become the target of oppression by non Muslims. Your own intolerance comes back to bite you.

[larrylife4life]

You misunderstood. The conflict is too complex to be summarized in terms of either Jewish oppression or Muslim oppression. The situation today is dire, and is the result of a century of a political and cultural onslaught which sought to entirely transform a society. You can't blame a community for reacting violently if they're being violently expelled from their country, whether Jewish, Muslim, Christian, etc. When you oppress in the name of Judaism, you'll make oppression synonomous with it.

[electango]

Muslims have oppressed Jewish people. Jewish people were expelled from Muslim countries in retaliation for the establishment of the State of Israel. Jewish lands, houses, properties, businesses and homelands were stolen from the Jews of Muslim nations by the Arab States. Those Jews were given refuge only in Israel. It is time for the Arab States to give refuge to their Palestinian Arab brothers and sisters as Israel gave refuge to the oppressed Jews of the Arab States.

[larrylife4life]

Oppression is prevalent in ANY and EVERY society. Those Jews were never expelled from those countries; they left because they had the opportunty to live like Kings in Israel. Jews still live free of oppression in Yemen. Where's the diasopora? Sadly, today's Arab states show deplorable cowardice when they can be pacified with Western aid. So they would never be so defiant as to give refuge to those "second-class Palestinians." Anyways, why should they settle for refuge? There home is Palestine.

[electango]

You show complete ignorance of the history of the Jewish people in Arab States as Israel came into being. They had their land, homes, properties, homelands and possessions stolen from them in Iraq, Egypt, Syria, Libya and other Arab States. There were 15,000 Jews in Beirut before 1948. Now there are less than 20.  The Gaza Palestinians will be absorbed into Egypt as full citizens. The West Bank Palestinians will be absorbed into Jordan. Any other "solution" will result in total war.

[larrylife4life]

The history of the Jewish people in historical Palestine completely debunks your statement. Your numbers about Lebanon are completely fraudulent. There were 21,000 Jews in Lebanon all the way up through the 60s, then many of them fled or perished during the civil war. Of course the number of Jews has dropped. Hezbollah's entire campaign is to drive out all illegally occupying Israelis and their loyalists. Total war is something that is entirely dependent on the behavior of the US and Israel.

[electango]

There were Jews living in Lebanon for thousands of years. If they supported Israel, does that justify ethnic cleansing? Of course, since the people you support are admirers of Adolf Hitler, your answer is yes. I could have predicted that. The answer is to absorb the Palestinians into Jordan & Egypt. Jordan and Egypt have organized governments which can give the Palestinians full citizenship and civil rights. That way Palestinians can live under Muslim rule free of the crazies you support.

[larrylife4life]

I never denied that Jews have always lived in Lebanon. Who are you debating? The people I support have nothing to do with Adolf Hitler, they're actually the only ones who bothered to fight him and his successors after the war, unlike the ones you shamelessly throw your sympathy at. The answer has been well known in international circles for years; namely, Israel and the US abandon their stance of rejection and accept a negotiated, viable two states. The word "viable" isn't subjective either.

[electango]

The takeover of Gaza by Hamas which is a proxy army of Fascist Iran has proven that the Palestinians are not interested in the two state solution. Instead of beginning the process of a two state solution which was envisioned as the next step following the withdrawal of the Israeli military, Hamas began shelling Jewish communities in Israel and then graduated to firing missiles. The Palestinians want ethnic cleansing, not co existence. My solution is the only one which will work.

[larrylife4life]

You have no concept of history; it's getting quite laughable. There was no takeover of Gaza, Hamas was appointed in free elections. Gazans are naturally going to move towards militancy when the Israeli murder apparatus (IDF) routinely rampages and blockades their society into oblivion. Hamas strikes out of retaliation, and it's confirmed, just like Cast Lead. Your solution is neither constructive, nor unique. You accuse Hamas of cleansing, when the entire Occupation is designed to create that.

[electango]

You're accusing me of having no concept of history. But apparently you are unaware that these two sides have been fighting for the same piece of land for the past 100 years. It is called the Arab Israeli conflict for that reason. In all that time, your friends in the Iranian proxy army Hamas have yet to get it into their thick skulls that when they attack Israel, Israel will retaliate and that retaliation will be 10 times or more as strong as the original attack. Hamas is too dumb to govern.

[larrylife4life]

I'm accusing you of more than not having a concept of history. With each reply, you show more of your idiocy, which you have no desire of shedding. Any moron, even one as prominent as you, should be able to see that Hamas would never attack Israel unless provoked. They're responsible for the entire Gazan population; do you really think they'd launch some scrappy rockets just to be crushed by the unparalleled might of the American proxy army, Israel? Hamas calls for peace, have the fascists?

[electango]

Of course, I must be an idiot. I disagree with your support of the Iranian proxy army, Hamas. Are you aware that Hezbollah and Hamas have people now in Iran beating opposition supporters in the streets? They're really nice guys! Hamas should not be attacking Israel at all. They should be working for a peaceful solution to the Arab Israeli conflict, but they want ethnic cleansing. If Hamas is responsible for the Gaza populace, isn't it time they acted like it?

[larrylife4life]

You're an idiot. You're in no position to disagree with my support, since you're not knowledgable enough to have a valid opinion. You have no clue about what's going on in Iran. What's frightening is that you have no desire to get a clue either. You'd rather propagate more moronic, vacuous rhetoric which has place in the peace process. A racist little boy like you is simply incapable of creating peace. That's why your world looks the way it does. You don't really know much about Hamas.

[larrylife4life]

*...has no place in the peace process.

[electango]

You've lost your humanity. The same people who are beating, shooting and killing unarmed freedom fighters in Iran are the same people destroying Gaza. Hamas is the proxy army of Iran in Gaza. Gaza once a beautiful city is now piles of rubble, garbage and open sewers because of Hamas. Hamas is a fascist military dictatorship whose leaders wear Muslim clerical robes. Give the Palestinians the dignity of holding them responsible for their choices and their actions.

[larrylife4life]

The world doesn't exist in the mind of Sean Hannity, as much as you'd like it to. Hamas and Hezbollah are the freedom fighters fighting the Occupation. You just don't know the history. You don't know what happened in the 80s in Lebanon, you don't know what happened in 2006, and you've proven to know even less about what happened during Cast Lead. Gaza was a beautiful city before the Israeli vultures rampaged and pillaged it with the complicity of the US. The US owns Israel, not reciprocally.

[electango]

Hezbollah and Hamas are proxy armies trying to impose Islamic law upon the Eastern Mediterranean. That means they want a government which claims to act and speak for God. Any opposition to the government including those opposed to corruption is deemed opposition to God which is punishable by death. Is that your idea of freedom? Do you support your friends in Hamas and Hezbollah working for the Iran govt beating and murdering opposition demonstrators on the streets of Tehran?

[larrylife4life]

I read your stupid question the first time, there's no need to repeat it. If I don't address it, it means it's not valid. You've not a particle of evidence to defend your claims, only meaningless buzzwords like "fascist-extremist-totalitaria­n-anti-democratic-dictatorship ," and the like. You should come up with a neat little acronym, you can then throw it around even more frequently. You don't know what Hamas wants, and you never knew. No authority on the conflict could ever agree with you.

[electango]

Meaningless buzzwords? The beatings and murders going on on the streets of Iranian towns delivered by the totalitarian regime to the opponents of corruption aren't happening? Dude, you're so full of shit it's coming out your ears! I don't think it's relevant what Hamas wants. They work for the murderers and torturers of the Iran regime, just like you do. Eventually, the world will get sick and tired of you Stalinists and your Islamist friends. Then they'll let Israel defend herself.

[larrylife4life]

Hmm... now I'm a Stalinist too? Those "opponents of corruption" are the epitome of corruption you fucking uneducated mule. They're just spoiled little college students who strive to be excessive, immoral dogs like the Israelis and the US. They're just the Iranian answer to the Obama demagogy. Don't you know anything outside of what Sean Hannity personally shoves up your asshole? You're an immoral pig, apologist for atrocities, and a faceless hypocrite. What the fuck do you even know about Iran?

[electango]

Anyone who supports the totalitarian fascist Iranian regime which tortures and murders its own citizens has to be either a Stalinist or an Islamist. I get a Stalinist vibe from you. Only a Stalinist would say the spoiled little college students deserve to die for opposing the government. Unbelievable. For the record, you're the one apologizing for atrocities. You're such a fan of fascism, you can't even think straight.

[larrylife4life]

I'm not surprised. You're just spewing more buzzwords whose meaning you have no clue about. Torture and murder take place in the US, as anyone with a fucking TV screen should well understand by now. You want to single out the Iranian regime? What about the network of Israeli dungeons which house future corpses? You don't know what torture is. Students don't deserve death, immoral, excessive dogs deserve it. I'm being tortured by your moronic ramblings. You're just a fucking uneducated boy.

[electango]

Hezbollah and Hamas are the proxy armies of the Iranian regime. It is reasonable to assume that since the Iran regime tortures and murders political opponents who've done nothing but attempt to peacefully protest political corruption, that Hamas-Hezbollah would do the same. In fact, it's clear that Hamas-Hezbollah tortures and murders political opponents. Why would anyone want Hamas-Hezbollah to have more political control and power? Isn't there enough torture and murder in the world?

[larrylife4life]

Of course Hamas and Hezbollah have tortured. What a rational person asks next isn't "How do we condemn them the hardest?!" It would be "Why are they torturing?" When you ask that question, you will find that they torture Israelis because Israel has about 2,000 members of Hamas in dungeons across Israel, remaining nameless in the shadow of Ghilad Shalit, who, if he was a Palestinian in Israeli hands, would've been murdered long ago. Hezbollah rebuilt South Lebanon twice after Israel ruined it.

[electango]

I allow Hamas and Hezbollah the dignity of holding them responsible for their own actions. I don't blame Israel for the actions of Hamas and Hezbollah. For example, news reports say today that 5,000 members of Hezbollah and Hamas are in Iran right now beating, torturing and murdering Iranians who are merely protesting government corruption and calling for reforms. Is Israel responsible for these Arab torturers and their vicious work on behalf of the fascist Iranian regime?

[larrylife4life]

Stay on task. Hezbollah and Hamas have no power inside Iran, therefore they could never be responsible for the repression. You claim to hold people to their actions, yet you conveniently exclude them when speaking about Iran. Hezbollah and Hamas wouldn't exist without Israeli aggression. Their roots are in Israeli terror and domination of their people. Hamas and Hezbollah are reacting to Israel's actions, which, as you say, they should be held accountable for. They don't work for Iran.

[electango]

Hezbollah and Hamas are proxy armies of Iran. They wouldn't exist without the billions of dollars sent from Iran. Now that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard needs them to act as murderous thug fascists on the streets of Iranian towns, they have been flown in. The government Hezbollah and Hamas want to establish in the area is a military dictatorship modeled upon the military dictatorship of Iran. It is Stalinism in action and the world needs less not more of this.

[larrylife4life]

You're a perfectly indoctrinated young boy, and you haven't bothered to read anything I've written. Why would a powerful country like Iran need its OWN proxy army to do its bidding within its OWN country? They have their own armies for that you fucking moron. Hamas and Hezbollah want to establish a military dictatorship? Again, you're a lost fool without a scrap of evidence to support that outrageous claim. Tell me what Stalinism is, without Wikipedia, and then I'll continue this stupid debate.

[electango]

Your reading comprehension skills are getting a tad rusty. I said the Iranian Revolutionary Guard needs the Palestinian and Lebanese mercenaries to work for them on the streets of Iranian towns. Many of the thugs were reported to be Arabic speaking. Because Iranians won't want to be torturing, beating, and murdering other Iranians who are merely protesting government corruption. BTW, once someone starts calling me names (fucking moron, lost fool etc.) it indicates I'm kicking ass. Thanks.

[larrylife4life]

You're welcome, you're kicking your own ass. Go ahead and stray away from the topic like a good little fucking moron does. Go and change the subject because you're an uneducated child. Keep spewing more moronic platitudes for all to read in laughter. Iran has its own army, if you don't know that, then just admit it so I don't have to respond again. It's called the Iranian Revolutionary Guard for a reason. It's not called the Proxy Army Guard or Electango's Moronic Fantasy Army Guard.

[electango]

The topic has been the exact nature of Hezbollah and Hamas. They are not home grown movements, but rather foreign imposed proxy armies, part of the Iranian imperialist effort to control the Eastern Mediterranean and administered by the Iran military. As such it is relevant how the Iranian govt runs Iran for insight into what Iran has in mind for Lebanon and Israel. The Iranian people themselves are demanding freedom from dictatorship and are being put down with extreme brutality.

[larrylife4life]

You don't even know how Hezbollah and Hamas started. To a jingoist like you, it would seem as if they just sprung up out the ground with a bloodthirsty mission to kill Israelis. You don't know that Hezbollah formed to combat Israeli occupation of southern Lebanon during the 80s. You don't know that Israel basically created Hamas as a radical political branch to counterweigh Fatah. It's as if you never studied any serious scholarship on the topic, but you're in a hurry to debate everyone.

[electango]

Israel is out of Lebanon. Hezbollah now works for Iran to spread Iranian colonialism into Lebanon and Israel. Hamas is an offshoot of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Israel allowed Hamas to overtake Fatah because Israel correctly saw Fatah as a more effective force.  Arab nationalism failed to destroy Israel. Now, Islamism is giving it a shot. Eventually, the Arabs will tire of defeat and will try coexistence.

[larrylife4life]

You've not a clue. Really, you don't. Israel is still terrorizing the Shebaa Farms, still claims ownership of Golan Heights, and STILL bombards south Lebanon with rockets and artillery. What's Islamism? Why the fuck would Israel let Hamas takeover? Arab nationalism was the worst enemy of Israel, because they couldn't use their usual excuse of religious extremism to demonize Arabs. They wanted peace, and STILL want peace. Again, check the record, do some research. It won't take long, I promise.

[electango]

The Shebaa Farms are according to the UN part of Syria, not Lebanon. The Golan Heights are part of Syria, not Lebanon. Hence, ownership of Golan and Shebaa are subject to settlement between Syria and Israel, not Lebanon and Israel. Having the Palestinians divided between the religious fanatics of the Iranian proxy army of Hamas and the secular American backed Fatah works to Israel's benefit. The enemy is weakened because it is divided and fighting itself. Very intelligent.

[larrylife4life]

Again, not a clue. Shebaa Farms is part of Lebanon, regardless of what the great usurupers of Israel recognize it as. Israel regularly rejects UN-sponsored talks about its sovereignty. It is Lebanese territory still under Israeli occupation. I can provide you with the evidence. Golan Heights is occupied Syrian territory, which is only under "dispute" because of Israeli expansionism. The only imperialist here is Israel. Iran is assisting those (Hezbollah) who have resisted the imperialism.

[electango]

Why is Iran funding Hezbollah to the tune of tens of billions of dollars? Apart from the fact that Iran is trying to install a puppet government in Lebanon, that is. Because Iran hopes to also install a puppet government in Israel. Given those two facts which have been already admitted by Hezbollah, why would you say the only imperialist here is Israel? Either you're ignorant or you're lying. And why would you want the butchers of Tehran to run Lebanon? Don't you believe in freedom?

[larrylife4life]

Hezbollah is unable to get assistance from other Arab governments because they are pro-Western and pacified by US recognition and aid. Their only option is to go to Iran. Iran agrees with Hezbollah. They acknowledge the fact that Israeli imperialism seeks to destroy and nullify the Muslim world, therefore, Iran assists Hezbollah in combating them. It has nothing to do with Iran wanting to install puppet governments anywhere. That fantasy isn't even entertained by the most ignorant American.

[electango]

Arab governments oppose Hezbollah because Arab governments with the possible exception of Syria oppose Iranian Imperialism and its drive to impose fascist governments beholden to Iran throughout the Middle East. Arab governments know Hezbollah is the proxy army for Iran and they want no part of it. Nor do they want Hezbollah to succeed. In fact, they want Hezbollah to disappear as it should. It has nothing to do with Israel. They know Israel is no threat to the Arab and Muslim worlds.

[larrylife4life]

So countries like Egypt, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan are democracies? You're so indoctrinated that the only acceptable form of democracy is one which is totally undemocratic. Those countries are cowardly and play their servile role well in not recognizing Hezbollah as a legitimate resistance force. Iran hasn't invaded a country in 200 years. Your history is a joke, not even a funny joke. Israel's a vile monster who wishes to destroy and own the entire region. Their policies prove that fact correct.

[electango]

Hezbollah isn't a legitimate resistance force. It is an arm of the Iranian military working to colonize Lebanon and Israel for Iran. Arab nations see what Iran has already done to wreck Lebanon. They want no part of it. Israel may want to own the region but has shown it doesn't have the capabilities to do it. Israel was unable to control Gaza even. How could it control Egypt or Syria? The Arab States know this. Therefore they quite correctly fear Iran much more than Israel.

[larrylife4life]

Why isn't Hezbollah legitimate? Because a stubborn three year-old says so? Show me the evidence of Iranian expansion and colonization. Iran wrecked Lebanon? Was it Iranian bombs that slaughtered 30,000 throughout the 80s? Are you that fucking stupid to think Iran is Israel? Israel doesn't hold control over the Arab states, the US does, and it controls Israel too. Iran is an outsider in a region of cowardly insiders. Your claims are so hollow, I don't think I've ever heard some of them.

[electango]

Hezbollah is a militia controlled by a foreign power (Iran) which holds the threat of civil war over the Lebanese govt. should Lebanon assert its sovereignty over areas controlled by Hezbollah. Iran hopes to get total control of Lebanon by means of Hezbollah. When Hezbollah started the 2006 War with Israel, Hezbollah dragged Lebanon into a disaster which Lebanon didn't want. Billions of dollars in damage and hundreds of deaths resulted due to Hezbollah's very poor decision making.

[larrylife4life]

You tried to cunningly legitimate the fantasy that Hezbollah started the 2006 War with Israel. But that's another topic. Hezbollah isn't controlled by anyone, I don't know how else to say it. I guess some people just can't rid themselves of religious dogma. Billions of dollars and hundreds of deaths resulted from Israel's mass, unprovoked killings of civilians. Israel was the instigator, Israel killed the most, and Israel caused most damage. But they did lose to Hezbollah; that's good.

[electango]

The 2006 War began when Hezbollah murdered 10 Israeli soldiers on Israeli soil in an unprovoked attack. Nasrallah himself admitted he had ordered the attack not expecting the ferocity of the Israeli response. Since Nasrallah ordered the act of war, he and his group of noncompoop clerics are responsible. If Hezbollah won that war as you claim, it is peculiar that there was not a peep out of Hezbollah during the Gaza War this year. Unlike you, Hezbollah knows better.

[larrylife4life]

That's not even what the academic apologists claim started the war. The official story was that Hezbollah kidnapped some soldiers and fired rockets, blah, blah. But even that's wrong. It was Israel that kidnapped two civilian students, which is a severely worse crime than kidnapping militants. Hezbollah was very vocal about their stance on the Gaza massacre. Nasrallah said Lebanon had just been rebuilt, and has plenty to be worried about on their side of the border as well: Israeli imperialism.

[allforall48]

nasralla said that they are ready for an attack from israel.

[electango]

If the Iranian people reject the extreme restrictions on everyday lives imposed upon them by the dictatorship as well as the shoddy economic policies of the regime, why would the Lebanese or the Israelis want to be ruled by an Iranian colonialist regime? The Lebanese rejected Hezbollah at the polls recently because they know who Hezbollah is. And Hamas has turned Gaza into an open sewer of garbage and rubble with no jobs. Hamas and Hezbollah are dead ends.

[larrylife4life]

Iranian people haven't rejected much. They reject the Mousavi supporters in fact. Outside of Tehran, there are no protests. Ahmedinajad has the support of the peasantry and working class, not the support of a bunch of Westernized college students who envy Israel's immorality and other great American ideals. Hezbollah has been in the Lebanese government for sometime now, part of the national coalition. They're the only caretakers of south Lebanon. Gaza is Israel's sewer. Did you know any of that?

[electango]

The election was stolen and the results fraudulent. If the people rejected Mousavi, why did the govt have to steal the election and then beat, torture and murder? The Iranian people have had enough of Ahmedinejad and his turbaned bosses and their micromanagement of peoples lives. They've ruined the economy and gotten Iran involved in all kinds of foreign interventionism of dubious value. The thing you Stalinists don't understand is the people want freedom.

[larrylife4life]

His turbaned bosses? Why are you debating me? You're just a racist. Nothing you say means anything by default. I'll bet you're sitting there in your baby-seat with a little brown shirt and combat boots, ain't ya? The Iranian people are not Westerners. That's the last time I'll say it. If you reply like a fucking moron again, I won't respond. You won't win either, because this was never a contest of wits or knowledge. It's just an ambitious racist trying to compensate for his lack of attention.

[electango]

The Iranian people want freedom from a regime which has destroyed the economy, isolated the nation from the world and now has beaten, tortured and murdered people in the streets. It's time to remove the religious fanatics from positions of power and to return them to their religious seminaries where they can debate to their hearts content without destroying the innocent lives they now hold in their hands. Racist? Me? I wasn't discussing racial issues. You're mixing me up with someone else?

[larrylife4life]

You're clearly racist; using catch-all terms like "turboned bosses." It's only Israel and the US that have isolated Iran. It would be quite careless to say something like "Iran's economy is destroyed," because Iran has survived 30 years of sanctions, intented to starve the population into overthrowing the government (your great, American democracy). It's time for the jingoist fanatics to deal with their own issues and take their fucking noses out of the affairs of every opposing country.

[electango]

The gangbangers running Iran happen to wear turbans so how racism figures into your thinking is beyond me. Iran's economy is clearly ruined and that's clearly a factor in the people's unhappiness with the fascist regime. Iran is a major oil exporter without a refinery. It has to import gasoline from Dubai because it lacks the technology to refine its own oil. Perhaps Iran should take care of Iran and Iranians and stop spreading its misery and bankruptcy elsewhere?

[larrylife4life]

A lot of people wear turbans, does that make them gangbangers? Is that a unique feature through which you can demonize them? Exactly... pure racism. Iran's economy is doing fine, and will do better when the US and Israel relieve their pressure on them. Countries don't just spring out of the ground with oil refining capacity. It takes years of development to acquire it, and Iran is well on its way. Iran has never spread misery anywhere. It was the only regime to outlaw nuclear weapons.

[electango]

You no doubt view the turbaned gangbangers who are beating, maiming and murdering their political opponents and also innocent bystanders on the streets of Iranian towns as victims. Like if that dead girl just hadn't got in the way of that thug's bullet, he wouldn't have been her victim. Those thugs wearing turbans are actually victims. They were FORCED to order the assaults and murders by the people who were assaulted and murdered. See, the turbaned gangbangers are victims!

[larrylife4life]

Stop trying to villify me. You know I never said Iran was an innocent victim. Your mindset is so pathetically simple, you think people only fall under one extreme or the other. Those rich elitist elements of Iranian society are trying to destabilize the government. Remember? Those nice Westernized college students with their posh sunglasses and fashionable clothes? They're the violent instigators. You've fell for the FOX trap of thinking of it as a real uprising of the oppressed; very foolish.

[electango]

Remember Tienanmen Square? The military dictatorship which attacked the "Westernized" students at Tienanmen accused the students of being "violent instigators" just as you have described the students of Iran. There is no scenario under which the bloodthirsty gangbangers who wear Muslim clerical robes can be viewed as victims or as oppressed. They've already killed too many people. No, the people of Iran have had enough oppression. They voted your friends out.

[larrylife4life]

Tiananman Square is the obvious correlation for an educated, unperceptive student. What does China have to do with Iran in this case? I could say "Remember Hitler? Blah, blah, blah?" What relevance does it carry? Don't just spout off examples because your apologetics are running thin. Who voted Ahmedinajad out? A few people in Tehran? Tehran isn't all of Iran. It's sad I have to explain that to you. Where's the evidence of this great oppression Iranians live under? You have none, unsurprisingly.

[electango]

Tienanmen Square like the events of the past weeks in Iran following the stolen election are what happens when a fascist military dictatorship is shaken to its core by the desires of the people they oppress to be free of government corruption. The fascists you support are reactionaries who react with extreme violence against peaceful demonstrators. It's sad I have to explain that to you.

[larrylife4life]

I have nothing more to say to you. You're clearly out of arguments and apologies.

[electango]

Oh, so you're through wasting internet storage space defending fascist regimes which deny freedom of speech, freedom of religion and economic progress to their citizens?

[oggzster]

Thank you for bringing us this proof.

[oggzster]

Did the boys look terrified? They were having fun doing this (hear the laughter). Did they care that they were inviting and inciting violence in the vicinity of this school despite pleas from the teachers and one girl to her brothers? All I see here is a bunch of useless Palestinian youth bringing terror on their own people.

[chinadragonyear]

youth bringing terror? that's all you see? Your eyes and ears are blinded by your already formed opinion on the situation. try watching this video pretending the children are in a u.s. city and the tanks belong to Mexico or some invading country. in other words, put yourself in their shoes.

[dale3858]

Lets not forget, Hamas was democratically elected. This land was stolen from the Palestinians by the US and Great Britain. Jews should leave Palestine.This is Palestine. What do the Jews and the world think is going to happen. This is what happens when you stick a population into camps.This is fucked up. Children or anybody else shouldn't have to live like that anywhere. Palestinians need a home too. And that is their home.Jews need to leave or it's the end of the world, ON A FAIRY TALE LIE!!!

[electango]

Hamas is on its way out. Hamas has turned Gaza into a garbage dump of rubble and raw sewage. If you think the idea of turning the West Bank over to Hamas so they can destroy the West Bank too, you're nuts! This will not be allowed to happen. Do you really think it's in the interests of the Palestinians to be ruled by a bunch of suicidal psychopathic crackpots? Israel is doing the Palestinians a big favor right now even if they don't realize it.

[ishiam]

hamas and hezbolla are both terrible but no way in hell has the iraelis ever helped the palestinians ..they goin to get rid of hezbollah fighters and teh death toll is 4500?!?!?!?including wemon and children. The jews dont need there own nation or land theve been fine without one...they could have peacfully co-existed with muslims of they would have come peacfully becoming apart of THEIR country and land

[electango]

When Hafez al Assad got rid of the Muslim Brotherhood in 1982, he killed 20 times as many people as the Israelis have killed in Gaza this month. He destroyed the Syrian town of Hama and none of the Arab States said a word. The UN said nothing. Noone complained of war crimes or demanded investigations.

[electango]

The Jews have lived in the Middle East for thousands of years, since Adam and Eve. They lived in Iraq, Iran, Morocco, Egypt, Syria and Yemen. But when Israel was established, Middle Eastern Jews wanted to be first class citizens in Israel rather than second class citizens in their homelands.  When a nation embraces Islam, it doesn't treat people of other faiths as first class citizens. People generally want to be first class citizens, not second class citizens.