Paying customers vs. boycotting the product, does it matter?

[RkoWrestlingfan228]

Stricken. :D

[WYrace]

I dont know :\

[zontonerwwe9]

lv is right.if we do crazymikes suggestion wwe will keep on putting on the same garbage on tv because we actually watching and buying from their product and basicly its like supporting their garbage

[tclol]

can i just say theyre not freaks they are just avid fans me personally im a fan but but i dont like take in all the info and stuff i just watch, i have opinions but i dont have facts and if u want to insult someone jeff atleast freaking spell your sentence right

[jdp3233]

Did that guy in the Giant's jersey say "ba-shit"? What does that mean?

[tripleh186]

why would WWE listen to us when they have millions of fans not just 10? and crazy mike was right

[Yaz3689yaz]

Why did it cut away randomly

[Areweonfiya]

what the fuck is this what is everyone talking about whats HHH?

[Splackwell]

Well maybe if a panel of 10-15 people get together and each agree to purchase, watch, and Honestly critique the PPVs for like 6 str8 months. Everyone save copies of their cable bills and compile all the proof of purchases together in a package to mail to the WWE, along with a jointly drafted letter expressing your grievances with the product. If you get enough of the internet fanbase gathered on a website and this process creates enough buzz, WWE will be forced to address the issue.

[Splackwell]

*cont* Otherwise it's just one person, choosing not to off the TV or a bunch of random complaints that aren't united.

[RVD2267]

whats the song when you show your logo?

[eviliu]

Disturbed - Stricken

[RVD2267]

Thank you.

[jeffhardynextwwesman]

dun watch wwe hes actully right ebcuase all fans stoped watching then vince step up game if all fans stop buying ticket vince forced idiot wont

[pkelly345]

ya but unfortually there are too many loyal wwe fans that wont leave the product no matter what

[jeffhardynextwwesman]

actually im one loyal fans priblem i see the good in everyw restlign write now tis to badd

[pkelly345]

yes but if u look back at the year of 2006 where alot off pepole stoped watching wwe and 2007 there were loyal fans that stuck by them lol i stuck by them cause in ireland thats the only wrestling u can watch ya but right now im enjoying the product

[jeffhardynextwwesman]

y 0006 good eyar triple h got out world titl pciture he reformed DX they running shanfet funny promos besyt i lvoed theat year yaa 2006 didnt like rey won world as well which enjoyed in 2006 poorly booked though

[pkelly345]

pepole stoped watching in 06 because the dx thing was no where near as good as what they did in 97 and 98 i mean it was a bunch of 36 year old men acting like they were 18 again the segments were mainly garnard to kids it was completely different back in 97 rey winning the title was ok but it was a short reign

[jeffhardynextwwesman]

i dunreally care i ; liked ther enot 36 michelas was 42 at time but yaa i loved i dun care kdis i lvoed entetment running round fuc it i dun care im 14 i am kid

[pkelly345]

im 15

[pkelly345]

im 15 and i still didnt like it

[jeffhardynextwwesman]

thats becuas eur a wreslting freak

[pkelly345]

eh what

[jeffhardynextwwesman]

im not a wrestling freak like u

[pkelly345]

define wrestling freak

[jeffhardynextwwesman]

if know what iwc is if watch vidoes about wrestling on youtube people talking or own youtube make vidoes wreslting

[pkelly345]

but whats that to do wiv a wrestling freak

[jeffhardynextwwesman]

it means freak of wrestling u know eveyrhting hel fac eur freak thats what fucking means ok simple

[supasole72]

i thought lv5454 was saying to monoxide dont watch it if you dont like it

[WWEbruh]

that song?

[KingOfKings111]

Stricken by Disturbed

[dxrocks321]

Lol, the best part was when you said "Excuse my language", you're an adult, say what you want!

[AlexSkandal]

if all the "smart" marks turn there TV's off, its not like WWE is going to notice. However, whos going to buy products of somthing they don't enjoy? Realisticly No one has that much change over what happends. Everything relys on the companys itself, especialy in a big business like WWE.

[DinoHunter69]

LV is right, if wwe is making money they think there doing everything rigt if there not then they have to change and expiriment

[DahStoryTella]

monoxide is a dumb ass lame..same with pspower. the way they get heated in theyre videos is hilarious and pathetic.

[DahStoryTella]

what happened to LV??? dude was hilarious and on point with his shit.

[HeartBreakKid1987]

I am sick and tired of hearing the criticism each and every day!!! If you don`t like the product, switch the TV off and get a new life!!!!!

[xxsaxinxx]

actually, i think they would listen to us more if there ratings dropped, and not the other way around, so as much as i hate to say this, but i think Mike is wrong and LV is right.

I have not watched WWE since the beginning of 2006.

Now, i know why WWE sucks ballz, cause i watch the videos on YOUTUBE!!!!! I do not profit the WWE cause the product is crap!! i have purchased the product long time ago when Wrestling is good.

[dragonoftheseas]

it's the same with John Cena he sells more t shirts and dvd's then almost anyone on wwe so as long as most people like them you can boo him and moan it wont change a thing money talks just buy what you think they are doing rite then you might get more of it

[Synthweasel]

whos this Monoxidel234455? at first I thought! no way!! Monoxide would never say racist things!! but then I checked the name! as you can see! whoever this guy is! he has 1 digit that is different!! what a dork?? trying to trick people into thinking the real Monoxide is racist?? duh!!

[Monoxidel234455]

You stupid nigger

[xxsaxinxx]

What the hell is wrong with you monoxide!?!?!

Why are you so racist!!!

[NiceVideos11]

you're a piece of shit cock sucker.

[akshai78]

how do we tell them to improve if we dnt watch it?

[backlashlaze]

nooooo, if we stop watching, they would have to improve to increase rating again

[TrueWrestlingGods]

Easy choice try them both out

[dshaker14]

what is the song in the video called?

[YourTeacher777]

someones dressed to impress. great vid

[Mcgeebroz]

Problem is tht WWE isn't gonna no wat kinda fan u r when u buy thier products, so in thier eyes, if you buy thier products then they should continue to do what they are doing because it makes them a profit.

[Hawk1983j]

03:53  Funniest thing ever.

[Macktube]

Listen to LV5454 he'one of the top 2 on here. Crazymike is ok but he's starting to get too bias. He use tbe more posative but now all he dose is criticize and say stuff like " if you don't like this you'r not a wrestling fan. You can't say that.

[wrestleguru1987]

Yeaah! Disturbed!

Great vid.

[brandensimmons1987]

i think it really doesn't matter because who cares tna rating won't go up & there losing money anyway. wwe only cares about money & being on the news.

[shadow188]

i like the suite man

[hitman2027]

LMAO at monoxide

[robjdaledge]

th reason i watch them is because its hard to follow roh and what else is there?

[NorrinRadd1981]

I don't see the big conflict of opinion here.

LV is saying the only way to effect change is to stop purchasing the product, those who are and say it's bad, thereby voting with your dollar.

CrazyMike is saying that Companies aren't going to listen to those fans who would illegally download their product and that there not actually making a profit from anyway, mostly the so-called "smarks" or "smart marks".

Similar points in teh broad spectrum, but dealing with two different groups.

[crazymike1706]

Exactly. I'm taking on behalf of the E, and LV is making a statement. I never had this discussion with LV because I have made that same point as well. Spinnernet just wants publicity, and he's trying to screw me over because I embarrassed him. He took two conversations that are completely different.

[motorsabin]

BULLSHIT! You just want to flaunt your ego all over the IWC. "Look at me, I think I'm better than everyone here on Youtube cuz I support ROH which is an INDY PROMOTION! I'm a little 19 year old prick that thinks he knows everything there is to know about wrestling and I shit on all the mainstream companies to piss people off. Oh yeah, and God doesnt exist because he allows his people to suffer from volcanos and hurricanes." Jesus is comming back Michael. Where are you gonna be when he arrives?

[robjdaledge]

man your right why would they listen to us if we don't watch them??

[Xera077]

Yea Crazymike...didn't really make a statement unlike LV. Although I agree more towards Tslay, where you just don't buy or pay attention for the mainstream companies for a month. And just pay attention to the indies and Japanese companies around the wrestling world. I was..wtf? Crazymike didn't really make a point. xD I need to better in my vids. >>;

[motorsabin]

Listen to LV5454. Crazymike is an ateist dickhead that has his head up ROHs' ass. He thinks he's better than the rest of the shooters here on Youtube. I bet he even bad mouths you behind your back Spinnernet.

[Shawntoocool]

And its not buy some nasty good and in the future you MIGHT get some good food later on.

[Shawntoocool]

You dont give money then hope to get something good you want to know what you get,so they need to improve before they get my money!

[masterbubu69]

just do your own thing. i mean its just your opinion on why wrestling is sucking.

i mean look at last night

that 6 man match was incredible

and john cena may not win this wrestlemania

he might lose to hbk or triple h

and we all want to see triple h or hbk champion

03 and 04 was all triple h being champion

i thought that time was good

hbk champ...i dont know

its the outcomes people are worried about

[masterbubu69]

STEEEEEEEVVVVVVVEEEEEEE URKEL

steve urkel at best

[afanofwrestling]

why are you dressed so sharp tonight?

[kodered5150]

us not watchin isnt gunna change them

the easyest thing to do is just find a company u like

[Kevinsveiw]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!

[RynoBGood]

nobody likes you and why do you just put lmfaoooo everywhere you go, if you would grow some balls and get real for a momment maybe people would take you serious and you would have a base of supporters over 20 Kevinsview. by the way you spelled your name wrong and your a faggot.

[Kevinsveiw]

Rynobbitch why don't you fuck your ugly sister you piece of shit motherfucker...get off my nuts fagat!

[astone08]

i guess my comment didn't get posted earlier, but I think that both LV and CrazyMike are right in their own ways. In Lv's case, the WWE will have to listen to its supporters if their ratings and ppvs drop. In Mike's case, the WWE shouldn't be concerned with people who ARE NOT buying their product anyway. So I don't think they are arguing on the same level and actually both have valid points.

[astone08]

gtq3

[crazymike1706]

Lol-This vid was stupid. You made this to try to stir up problems (Which will never happen because me and LV are cool) and you're trying to use us as a way to get vies and subscribers.

[diddyman4real]

actually, its a good thing to bring up, nothing stupid about it dude. if you think about it both you and lv have two very good solutions to a question about how to get wwe's attention, but the question is who solution is better, you shouldn't automatically assume spinnernet is trying to start something mike. making assumptions doesn't seem like something you'd normally do. especially since spinernet respects you.

[spinnernet1]

no, no, no. mr. Mike, i'm sure you and LV are cool. i'm just trying to figure out which one of your plans are better because it APPEARS that you two have different views on this subject.

further more, i don't care about extra views, i'm happy and thankful for what i have. this vid is not gonna get any more views than any other vid that i've done recently.

[motorsabin]

Listen to LV5454. Crazymike is an atheist dickhead that has his head up ROHs' ass. He thinks he's better than the rest of the shooters here on Youtube. I bet he even bad mouths you behind your back Spinnernet.

[WrestlingSocietyNet]

Lol atheism ftW.

[NJxwf]

great vid man.

[Arman10701]

Good observation of people having different opinions.

[Dante1Savage]

Crazy mikes argument is redundant upon itself. He says in order for the WWE to listen to you , you have to buy their product. However this is a catch 22 clitch. Why would you buy a product you didnt enjoy and didnt want. And buying it tells the wwe that it is working. However if then you dont buy it mike claims you cant complain. This is a circle leading to the fan having no say in wwe. In reality not buying and watching works, look at wwe when it got a 1.8 rating it changed because it lost fans

[diddyman4real]

crazymike is basically tellin people to play a game of ring around the rosie then, cause that means you'll never escape the bullshit the wwe puts out.

[crazymike1706]

Dante1Savage-Whoa whoa whoa. I never directly said that. I was going to finish this argument, but I'm going to wait till your next pathetic move.

[JarrodDrover123]

nice suit haha

[mrnick1990]

"I Love It When A Plan Comes Together."You Got That From Chappelle's Show didn't you?

[cdude9590]

THE A-TEAM YOU DUMBSHIT

[Dante1Savage]

good vid. And loving the jacket, good stuff.

[moralvirus]

Sting couldn't draw flies to a dog's asshole.

Steve BOREdon blows, and you two twats suck as well.

Enjoy being worthless you sacks of limp, gangrene infected cocks.

[Dante1Savage]

are you fucking crazy you worthless cock sucker. You have such an uninteresting, uneventful and pathetic life, you have to coment on an irrelevant video continuing a debate i ended after proving you too be a pussy bitch as you contradict yourself and dance around the facts. I proved Stings drawing at starrcade 97, you bald slap head and I also showed how Cena drew less than Dave in the same environment and how Trump was the reason for the extra buys you tramp, who lives in a sess pit. Fuck off.

[moralvirus]

You? Prove something? That'll be the day.

Sting is the type of shit that would repulse flies!

Sting couldn't draw a crooked line without fucking it up.

You two enjoy a shit product and can't explain why it's entertaining for you - you fail at life.

You're worthless.

[garciae7889]

SO! You did get a suit. I thought you meant you were gonna have a suit of drugs that you were gonna use in the video, but this is good too.

[spinnernet1]

lmao, ur one sick S.O.B. garciae.

[garciae7889]

But thats why they love me! lol

[cdude9590]

You got LV's point all wrong. What he was saying was that if you don't like it don't watch it. He wasn't talking about getting the E to listen to us, he was talking about if don't like something, then why do you watch it?

[rkokid89]

people always want to bitch about something

[rkokid89]

i agree with LV5454. if people stop wacting the wwe and ince losing money vince will listen to the fans . vince listen to the fans back when wcw was beating wwf in rating every week. that how the whole attuide era became to be. fans back then wanted mature wrestler gimmicks and great storylines. WCW was more of that than the wwf back in 1996 and early 1997.

[ECWpaul96333]

im with C-mike 100,000,000,000,000,000,000%

its a smart businness plan u listen more to the consumers that pays their hard earn cash on the product than the haters who bash it.

[jeffhardy2335]

hurt them finacially... but a lot of people would have to do it seeing as the money is still good and thats all that matters but really the only way the wwe will listen to their fans is compitition if you buy there product there might be a chance theyd listen but most likely the wwe would think there doing something right and do what they want to do.. good vid it gave me an idea for my next video..

[ECWpaul96333]

nice suit!!!! u look like a jr bill cosby!lol

[NathanHitman]

im not sure who to agree with

p.s

nice jacket!!

u should keep it lol like a bit of bling

[pspower]

Companies wont change unless You make them change. The NFL wishes people would get off its back about the Patriots spying scandals and move on. Likewise, the WWE will stay put until someone like WCW blows fire up their ass. That is the only way.

[Shriekspear]

Exactly!!!

[moralvirus]

Then how do you make the WWE change? Like I've said before, we've already seen examples of the WWE listening to its fans when they started hurting them financially, why wouldn't it work again?

[diddyman4real]

i think a reason he thinks it won't work again is because unlike before, there isn't a shortage of casual fans, while there is a shortage of smart marks/wrestling fans, atleast in terms of finance. more casual arks are buying than us wrestling marks, so it might not have a big effect on the product ver all. in fact we might be a speck on the glass ceiling.

[RynoBGood]

I have a question moral virus how come when your always in a discusion with pspower in this video he has the same amount of Hands Up and HANDS down as you? (fake accounts?) or do you supporters follow you around EVEN in "Spinnernets1" video. A bit odd and strange that you get followed by your supporters. hmmmmmm

[Shriekspear]

Anyone can do what they choose, But for me I have stopped watching wwe, I feel let down by them in my own perspective, I never missed a raw etc in the past but now I do my best to stay away from anything wwe.. TNA has started to upset me but hopefully that will change after sunday and the X division gets back in being the focus of TNA.. By the way you are a very smart fan, If I agree or disagree with you I respect your opinions because they are logical in thought..

[spinnernet1]

thanks you, that statement means alot.  we can all have different opinions, as long as we show eachother a little respect you know.

[pspower]

Both are wrong but crazymike is more wrong...he is a customer. He doesnt write checks to WWE but he is on here talking about it and watches the product. He is a customer.

LV has the right idea but let me phrase it differently. Yes, let economics take its course, WWE already dipped to 2.8 last year, and are stuck in the 3s. That being said, why should the critics stop talking. If you supported WWF for 10 years and it goes in the shitcan, you are just supposed to turn it off like a robot?

[moralvirus]

Sorry, but history has already showcased that when the fans turn off the WWE product, the company is forced to do something drastic to try and regain that fanbase - that's when they start listening to the fans complaints and implementing the changes they wanted to see. We've seen that before with Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels getting their main event pushes, and we've seen it before just prior to the kick start of the Attitude era in Steve Austin.

[spinnernet1]

okay, Jarrod, so you were in the discussion, you appear to agree with LV by your comments here.

what did you think about Mike saying that WWE wouldn't listen to people who don't purchase their products and don't make them any money(people who "turn their tv's off")?

[moralvirus]

I thought I made myself clear in my "Re: The Rumble of Fans - How Wrong Are We?" video? I've said almost the same thing as LV, and I believe that's the only means to enforce change within the WWE because we've seen it work before - no reason to believe it couldn't work a second time around.

Again, money speaks louder than our words, so why should the WWE opt not to listen to our actions and instead listen to our words? They can't cash your lip service to pay their employees.

[spinnernet1]

yeah, i can definitely agree with that mr. power, on one hand, you can hit them in their wallets, but on the other hand, if you do boycott the product, you have no idea what's going on anymore(or if it improved), unless you read recaps of the program on the internet.

[calvin8hobbs]

It sounds as if you have misunderstood both of their points. Also, all the arguments you use against the E are fundamentally flawed because they can so easily be applied to TNA.

[diddyman4real]

damn calvin, you just made my head hurt. lol

too much to think about....

[pspower]

Both are wrong. But crazymike is more wrong.

Crazymike is a WWE customer,period.Just because you dont directly write checks to WWE for their products doesnt mean you are not a customer. He watches the show, he knows the storylines...and on top of that he comes on here and talks to thousands of people about it. He's a customer.

[ECWpaul96333]

hows cena's nuts taste?

[spinnernet1]

ecwpaul, can you please stop? comment on the vid not ur dislike for other people.

[EcwHardCore07]

You are WWE customer to whats your point.

[calvin8hobbs]

As are you.

[rkokid89]

i agree with LV5454. if people stop wacting the wwe and ince losing money vince will listen to the fans . vince listen to the fans back when wcw was beating wwf in rating every week. that how the whole attuide era became to be. fans back then wanted mature wrestler gimmicks and great storylines. WCW was more of that than the wwf back in 1996 and early 1997.

[rkokid89]

lol the intro came out of nowhere. Lv5454 is right if people stop watching the wwe they will listen to fans. it happen during the wcw was out rating the wwf before the attutide era. vince listen to the fans about the wwf being more mature and better storylines when he was losing the rating war with wcw.

[Lumindar]

Well aren't we currently watching their TV shows, buying there PPV's and merchandise...? Their not listening to us now so obviously that's not going to work. No disrespect to crazymike, but go with LV5454 plan.

[Devilazer]

Nice vid, they are both good you are right. But you are always right.

[spinnernet1]

lol, "always right"? thanks.

[Devilazer]

Well, almost always bout 97.9%

[ecwgrungetna]

This is one of most productive videos i've seen,But i realy dont think most peaple on youtube realy want to change main stream wrestling.I think most peaple on youtube are just immature and want to gripe about something.But here we go,a vid promoting a stratagy for gettin shit done. We dont have to agree with eatch other 100% to know we are all wrestling fans and we all have one common goal.

[spinnernet1]

wow, thanks alot. that's one of the best comments that i've seen.

i understand about the immaturity, LV has said in the past that wrestling fans don't know what they want.

[bigalAWT]

CMike is my favorite shooter that I'm not friends with. Good vid....GM