Jones was not a Christian. Jones stood before his followers and tore up a bible saying that his word was better than Gods. Jones idolized Mao. He died his hair black to look Asian. He named his church The Peoples Temple after the Peoples Republic of China. Jones openly advocated Communism.
Jones wanted people to follow him and his word, not Gods.
He promoted his image, sayings and simple sayings of others that reflected his ideas. The idea of establishing a paradise on earth is completely foreign to the bible. His voice was broadcast through a PA 24 hours a day at the camp he created. Like so many tyrants, he had many wives fathered lots of children, may have had sex with children. He was a cult leader/dictator/tyrant/false God. Jim Jones was the polar opposite of Christ.
They stayed becasue of each other lots of them may have been out cast and felt like they have found a place to bleong. and the other reason is because of hope the hope of having a better life free of stress and worry.
we're watching this documentary in psychology class and we're discussing influence and conformity, one reason we discussed is the concept of social proof: if everyone else finds nothing wrong with it, then I shouldn't either. There's so much more aspects of influence but this is just one of many reasons
Well you can see what that kind of thinking/mentality leads to. I'm sure this mentality is prevalent in most cults. Tim Carter had the clearest indication that something was wrong this man when Jones offered to perform a sex act on him. If a man proporting to be a man of god, Dresses in robes while preaching, performs miracles, talks about Jesus and social justice comes up to me and offers to "fuck you up the ass." I'm outta there in a heart beat. Tim Carter probably has a lot of regret.
@kenwayne96 They wanted the "state" that Jones promised them. This idea was rooted in Mao, communism, in a framework of the hippie cult commune culture. They excused Jim's behavior because as so many of them have said (inc. Jim Jones Jr.) that they were building a perfect world.
as blatantly as you put that, there's an element of truth to it. We're not complete idiots - but at the same time, we're just as suscpetible to this stuff as anyone else is. We could all be as evil as Jim Jones, even. However, the fact that most of us live life without harming others is pretty plausible. Both sides to every argument, pretty much
did Tim say backstage as in show not service i just don't think it was appropriate to say backstage for the lost temple members peoples temple was church service not dramatic theatre.
It was dramatic theater is many cases. They would do agit-prop performances which was part of the far-left bag of tricks at the time. Sad to see a Marine and Vietnam combat veteran like Tim Carter fall into this Marxist collective.
Dr. Alberto Rivera an ex-Jesuit deep into the occult late in the 60s, said himself to have met Jim Jones a couple of times in secret meetings to accomplish the agenda of the Jesuit Order.
It all ties up on the top, their master is sat in Rome as King, and respond by the name of "Holy Father" if you wish.
Whether they we're equal to Conservative republicans, or liberal Democrats, is a very easy equation to figure out. What did they want? Well they wanted the freedom to persue their secular religious beliefs. They we're communist sympathisers. Jim Jones was a very debauch man, sexual morality was not of importance to him. The race card was played. Im sorry, but I cant help but to hear Jim Jones telling all those damned souls...Yes we can!
Atleast a (true) Republican would respect a liberal democrat's right to hold their political beliefs. And he would also not bring up off topic discussions in a forum not meant for it.
Hmmm..... So. Why do people keep bringing this to politics?
This isn't about politics. Naturally there is intersectionalism involved in all reaches of society... But this is about mass hysteria. It's about socialization, psychology.
In the conservative world there is the same thing my friends: WACO, Kazinsky.
So let's not bring it there and pervert what is really at work- it's not devil, it's not "evil" or about god or whatever..... It's about cold hard POWER.
they weren't librals. they had some liberal beliefs, such as interracial living, but the rest of it was obesession with a variety of conservative beliefs, such as... CHURCH! =D
"CHURCH" is not a conservative belief. I have no idea where you learned about politics, but either someone taught you horribly or you are slightly dim.
Why are these people sitting there, saying all these perverted gross things. And they were involved TILL THE END. It really says something about THEM. Forget their "messiah".
very very true...however he convinced a certain population about a radical ideology...so sad...and some of them died unwillingly...but yes many of them chose to die to make a "revolutionary statement"
Knocked Out, Awaken with Water, and Whipped Again??!!!!......LOL...HELL NAW!!!
The situation wasn't funny, but the thought of it is. My cue to exit would have been in the second part when he threw the BIBLE and said it had no merit, saying there's no heaven, and he'll be your GOD... SMH.
Lol! Who the hell goes up and says "I'll fuck you up the ass." LMAO! And THEN! He pulls his pants down and gets lucky with a girl! BUT as if it wasn't bad enough, he made her stand infront of a crowd butt-naked! Damn that guy was good at his job.
That poor woman. She didn't say "no"...she didn't cry "rape"....and she didn't walk out. And of course she was manipulated???!!!
Why doesn't she confess what she did and how she felt and quit with the blame game? This has nothing to do with cults as much as an evil survivor that swears she's innocent.
Anyone who is saying 'get on up and leave!' does not understand the mind control involved in a cult. There is a point beyond which they are programmed to forget how to think for themselves and they don't see it happening because it happens so gradually.
You are right when I was in my teens I got cought up in a cult. I would have done anything the preacher ask me, I have even went as far as slashing tires of members who was not paying tithes.
ReligiousZombie...have you ever been in a cult? Do u know what is like?I guess with the comments you are making certainly not.
Jim Jones did not use Jedi mind tricks.He used manipulation through fear and guilt,deception and isolation to control these people.Believe it or not it can happen to anybody.
And these people weren't weak-minded,a lot of them came from college educated and respectable family backgrounds who wanted to do something good for people in the world.
Sulerinpulerin...I hope some legitimate 'looking group' does not stop you on the road one of these days asking you if you want to improve some of the horrific situation in world and you go to one of their meetings.That is how cults work.
if you dont think its right then leave!!why the hell would any sane person wanna b involved with a church that beats people and shit.omg these people were insane!!!i dont care what they say to try and sugar coat there craziness!!!!
They weren't insane,they were manipulated and deceived and unless you werem't there in that group then you shouldn't judge.These people were people like you who were lured into a group beleiving that it was good .The fear of being punished with beatings along with being deceived and manipulated was what prevented them from leaving
marmackk the warning signs were there 8 people left people temple accusing the enter circle of racism and classcism so doesn't that tell you sometheing wrong with some of the other people and also they did rehersals for comitting suicide.
She is emphasizing that she was pretty much passive in it. While it wasn't rape, it wasn't exactly ethical either, given the sway Jones held over his group.
The only thing I can't quite figure out is why these people were decieved so badly. The psycological studies of human behavior on this case will take years to come I bet.
1) In the beginning, Jim Jones was doing more to bring people together than 99% of churches today. (Look in your church and see if people of different Blacks/Whites are there in similar numbers, and see if they're marrying. What's your church doing about systemic poverty besides giving food to the hungry.
2) Had the govt not pursued him (witch hunt) he would not have lost his mind.
The first part is right. he DID bring people together he DID so something about poverty BUT but he wasn't bringing people together for the right reasons. That place was HELL. He just thought he was GOD He wanted to have total control over EVERYTHING Imagine being raped, beaten, all that omg even talking about it makes me angry so you should think about what you're typing.
WOW ... are you actually DFENDING this man and his actions?? I am not sure what point you are trying to make in your first point as far as religion and race relations but as far as your second point is concerned, Jim Jones was highly unstable LONG before the government stepped in.
Notice that there are claims that people were BEATEN, yet I have seen no footage/evidence. Thus, are these stories credible or planted misinformation.
Millions of children are beaten and abused in their own homes, but does not mean it has not happened because there is no evidence. Always the same - Too little too late, and most often AFTER the fact, not during.
Jones was not a Christian. Jones stood before his followers and tore up a bible saying that his word was better than Gods. Jones idolized Mao. He died his hair black to look Asian. He named his church The Peoples Temple after the Peoples Republic of China. Jones openly advocated Communism.
Jones wanted people to follow him and his word, not Gods.
SenorZorrozzz 2 years ago
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He promoted his image, sayings and simple sayings of others that reflected his ideas. The idea of establishing a paradise on earth is completely foreign to the bible. His voice was broadcast through a PA 24 hours a day at the camp he created. Like so many tyrants, he had many wives fathered lots of children, may have had sex with children. He was a cult leader/dictator/tyrant/false God. Jim Jones was the polar opposite of Christ.
SenorZorrozzz 2 years ago
They stayed becasue of each other lots of them may have been out cast and felt like they have found a place to bleong. and the other reason is because of hope the hope of having a better life free of stress and worry.
kingbucky6 2 years ago
@kingbucky6 No, no. You are guessing. Read. Study the facts.
SenorZorrozzz 2 years ago
Why why why didn't these people leave this lunatic when he started acting like this. "I'll fuck you up your ass if you like." Why did they stay?
kenwayne96 2 years ago
we're watching this documentary in psychology class and we're discussing influence and conformity, one reason we discussed is the concept of social proof: if everyone else finds nothing wrong with it, then I shouldn't either. There's so much more aspects of influence but this is just one of many reasons
TiffKing 2 years ago
Well you can see what that kind of thinking/mentality leads to. I'm sure this mentality is prevalent in most cults. Tim Carter had the clearest indication that something was wrong this man when Jones offered to perform a sex act on him. If a man proporting to be a man of god, Dresses in robes while preaching, performs miracles, talks about Jesus and social justice comes up to me and offers to "fuck you up the ass." I'm outta there in a heart beat. Tim Carter probably has a lot of regret.
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SenorZorrozzz 2 years ago
@TiffKing BS
SenorZorrozzz 2 years ago
@kenwayne96 They wanted the "state" that Jones promised them. This idea was rooted in Mao, communism, in a framework of the hippie cult commune culture. They excused Jim's behavior because as so many of them have said (inc. Jim Jones Jr.) that they were building a perfect world.
SenorZorrozzz 2 years ago
@kenwayne96
Some people stayed because he was their last hope....
riped01 2 years ago
Jim knew how to make an okward conversation hahaha
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mcmahonlxfwv 2 years ago
I think Jim Jones was the one hiding
themadpeck1 2 years ago
The human race is nothing but a bunch of fucking idiots
achmedlolol 2 years ago
so what exactly are you?
sismetal 2 years ago
I am also a fucking idiot. I could've been brainwashed just as easily as anybody else
achmedlolol 2 years ago
as blatantly as you put that, there's an element of truth to it. We're not complete idiots - but at the same time, we're just as suscpetible to this stuff as anyone else is. We could all be as evil as Jim Jones, even. However, the fact that most of us live life without harming others is pretty plausible. Both sides to every argument, pretty much
flipmanja 2 years ago 2
Well, apparently your one...
PcdfMetalHead 2 years ago
did Tim say backstage as in show not service i just don't think it was appropriate to say backstage for the lost temple members peoples temple was church service not dramatic theatre.
kriccistarr 2 years ago
It was dramatic theater is many cases. They would do agit-prop performances which was part of the far-left bag of tricks at the time. Sad to see a Marine and Vietnam combat veteran like Tim Carter fall into this Marxist collective.
RobGoth100 2 years ago
Jim Jones was a Jesuit under extreme oath.
Dr. Alberto Rivera an ex-Jesuit deep into the occult late in the 60s, said himself to have met Jim Jones a couple of times in secret meetings to accomplish the agenda of the Jesuit Order.
It all ties up on the top, their master is sat in Rome as King, and respond by the name of "Holy Father" if you wish.
hallmall 3 years ago
Whether they we're equal to Conservative republicans, or liberal Democrats, is a very easy equation to figure out. What did they want? Well they wanted the freedom to persue their secular religious beliefs. They we're communist sympathisers. Jim Jones was a very debauch man, sexual morality was not of importance to him. The race card was played. Im sorry, but I cant help but to hear Jim Jones telling all those damned souls...Yes we can!
Snotra 3 years ago
Atleast a (true) Republican would respect a liberal democrat's right to hold their political beliefs. And he would also not bring up off topic discussions in a forum not meant for it.
jimigourd 3 years ago
Hmmm..... So. Why do people keep bringing this to politics?
This isn't about politics. Naturally there is intersectionalism involved in all reaches of society... But this is about mass hysteria. It's about socialization, psychology.
In the conservative world there is the same thing my friends: WACO, Kazinsky.
So let's not bring it there and pervert what is really at work- it's not devil, it's not "evil" or about god or whatever..... It's about cold hard POWER.
o0envia0o 3 years ago 2
I'm trying to understand but I can't understand how they saw all this and stayed
blacksglpower 3 years ago
only in America :/
Oli93ilO 3 years ago
or China. or India. or Iraq.
jouckeding 3 years ago
no, only in america
Oli93ilO 3 years ago
ah.. so iraqi muslim extremists who do suicide bombing taking out not only themselves but everyone around them is nothing like this.
of course. my apologies.
jouckeding 3 years ago
obviously not the same, dnt bother me with another reply plse
Oli93ilO 3 years ago
an extremist is an extremist, no matter what religion or country they are from.
jouckeding 3 years ago
Oli your an idiot
Ghats212 2 years ago
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Man liberals are scary.
Snotra 3 years ago
would you like me to fuck you in the ass?
Thatmonster433 3 years ago
they weren't librals. they had some liberal beliefs, such as interracial living, but the rest of it was obesession with a variety of conservative beliefs, such as... CHURCH! =D
jouckeding 3 years ago
"CHURCH" is not a conservative belief. I have no idea where you learned about politics, but either someone taught you horribly or you are slightly dim.
cmurphy2826 2 years ago
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typical democrats
gopconservative78 3 years ago
Why are these people sitting there, saying all these perverted gross things. And they were involved TILL THE END. It really says something about THEM. Forget their "messiah".
Diceredr 3 years ago
wow he was like a modern day Hitler...
lilhalfback 3 years ago
Without the Nazis though
And the people were massacred voluntarily
carliex3 3 years ago
very very true...however he convinced a certain population about a radical ideology...so sad...and some of them died unwillingly...but yes many of them chose to die to make a "revolutionary statement"
lilhalfback 3 years ago
Yes some of it wasn't voluntary but joining the camp was. Unlike the concentration camps. But I agree it's still awful.
carliex3 3 years ago
The GOVERNMENT became HITLER during waco.
Diceredr 3 years ago
Ok so how could he say he is the only heterosexual when he is going around and saying that he doesn't mind fucking random guys in the ass?!
belias360 3 years ago
Knocked Out, Awaken with Water, and Whipped Again??!!!!......LOL...HELL NAW!!!
The situation wasn't funny, but the thought of it is. My cue to exit would have been in the second part when he threw the BIBLE and said it had no merit, saying there's no heaven, and he'll be your GOD... SMH.
Codycole80 3 years ago
I can be your god if you want---brilliant
Illuminated7 3 years ago
riiiiiiiiiiight
TalkCreativePlanet 3 years ago
Lol! Who the hell goes up and says "I'll fuck you up the ass." LMAO! And THEN! He pulls his pants down and gets lucky with a girl! BUT as if it wasn't bad enough, he made her stand infront of a crowd butt-naked! Damn that guy was good at his job.
streetbob95 3 years ago 2
That poor woman. She didn't say "no"...she didn't cry "rape"....and she didn't walk out. And of course she was manipulated???!!!
Why doesn't she confess what she did and how she felt and quit with the blame game? This has nothing to do with cults as much as an evil survivor that swears she's innocent.
rus2579 3 years ago
Grow up.
fortuna2007 3 years ago
Anyone who is saying 'get on up and leave!' does not understand the mind control involved in a cult. There is a point beyond which they are programmed to forget how to think for themselves and they don't see it happening because it happens so gradually.
silverhorse141 3 years ago 4
You are right when I was in my teens I got cought up in a cult. I would have done anything the preacher ask me, I have even went as far as slashing tires of members who was not paying tithes.
silverrails 3 years ago 2
Yes, silverhorse141, cult leaders use Jedi mind tricks, but remember that Jedi mind tricks only work on people who are weak-minded to begin with.
ReligiousZombie 3 years ago 2
ReligiousZombie...have you ever been in a cult? Do u know what is like?I guess with the comments you are making certainly not.
Jim Jones did not use Jedi mind tricks.He used manipulation through fear and guilt,deception and isolation to control these people.Believe it or not it can happen to anybody.
And these people weren't weak-minded,a lot of them came from college educated and respectable family backgrounds who wanted to do something good for people in the world.
marmackk 3 years ago
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ill fuck you in the ass if you want lol lol
ExHuMan664 3 years ago
get the fuck out of here!!! these are the most stupid people in the world i have ever seen
sulerinpulerin 3 years ago
Sulerinpulerin...I hope some legitimate 'looking group' does not stop you on the road one of these days asking you if you want to improve some of the horrific situation in world and you go to one of their meetings.That is how cults work.
marmackk 3 years ago
wow.. pedifile...
dsaffery4 3 years ago
wow... bad speller...
fluorophoric 3 years ago
wat i spell wrong
dsaffery4 3 years ago
Expert MIND KONTROL in action .
Fear>silence>control.
peterm3964 3 years ago
if you dont think its right then leave!!why the hell would any sane person wanna b involved with a church that beats people and shit.omg these people were insane!!!i dont care what they say to try and sugar coat there craziness!!!!
ASHLEY4500 3 years ago
They weren't insane,they were manipulated and deceived and unless you werem't there in that group then you shouldn't judge.These people were people like you who were lured into a group beleiving that it was good .The fear of being punished with beatings along with being deceived and manipulated was what prevented them from leaving
marmackk 3 years ago 4
marmackk the warning signs were there 8 people left people temple accusing the enter circle of racism and classcism so doesn't that tell you sometheing wrong with some of the other people and also they did rehersals for comitting suicide.
beverlycromwell4 3 years ago
Not enough people know about this man and the temple
flagstone149 3 years ago 4
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Why is everyone hatin' on Jim Jones? That "We Fly High" song was off da hook! BAAAAAALLIN! DipSet 4 Life!
tonyescobar71 3 years ago
That guy was a fag.
lunar52 3 years ago
that word is homophobic, you shit. And Jones was a bisexual.
LiberalDemocrat83 3 years ago
I realize that but that guy was fucked up.
lunar52 3 years ago
"Jones was a bisexual"
Therefore, he's a fag.
ItsMisterPawToU 3 years ago
Are you saying he's....a cigarette??? Oh shocking!!! Why are men such homophobes? Jones was bisexual.
LiberalDemocrat83 3 years ago
WTF!?! Bisexual? Fag???? Strait?? How about a regular good 'ol homo sapien.
usethepinkbaby 3 years ago
2:32 "He had sex with me." (and you didn´t have sex with him or what?)
lalipopula 3 years ago
She is emphasizing that she was pretty much passive in it. While it wasn't rape, it wasn't exactly ethical either, given the sway Jones held over his group.
keithlogan365 3 years ago
LOL! sorry but for story telling purposes she does kind of suck....no pun intended I assure you
PCSS1 3 years ago
The only thing I can't quite figure out is why these people were decieved so badly. The psycological studies of human behavior on this case will take years to come I bet.
BlueHaloPhoenix 3 years ago
well jim jonez iz toast, now!!!...bwah hahaha!!!
BizzyBumpyWilson 4 years ago 5
I didn't know that Jim Jones had sex with men
Urvy1A 4 years ago
Of course.
Chandaladi 4 years ago 2
1) In the beginning, Jim Jones was doing more to bring people together than 99% of churches today. (Look in your church and see if people of different Blacks/Whites are there in similar numbers, and see if they're marrying. What's your church doing about systemic poverty besides giving food to the hungry.
2) Had the govt not pursued him (witch hunt) he would not have lost his mind.
gigagroove 4 years ago
You must be brainwashed.
seka1986 4 years ago
flyitaliana 4 years ago 12
WOW ... are you actually DFENDING this man and his actions?? I am not sure what point you are trying to make in your first point as far as religion and race relations but as far as your second point is concerned, Jim Jones was highly unstable LONG before the government stepped in.
bayareamayne 4 years ago
Anyone that believes that Jim Jones was a christian, shame on you. He wasn't. This segment more than proves it.
jennymar 4 years ago 4
Notice that there are claims that people were BEATEN, yet I have seen no footage/evidence. Thus, are these stories credible or planted misinformation.
gigagroove 4 years ago
Jim Jones was no idiot. Do you honestly think that he would've had it taped or anything like that?
AlaricRose 4 years ago 3
You should listen to some of the Jonestown tapes I've made.
jms8888 4 years ago
Millions of children are beaten and abused in their own homes, but does not mean it has not happened because there is no evidence. Always the same - Too little too late, and most often AFTER the fact, not during.
asensbruk 4 years ago 3
youre an idiot, youdve probably drank the coolaide right along with everyone else. The guy was nuts from his youth
hasani42 4 years ago
what a lost person he walk for nothing he dead for no one you put your care for a fool...sleeping prophet
jtheshowstoppper 4 years ago