@ItsFaltzer Shanice DOES NOT 'strain' to reach her whistle register. IF that was the case after doing this for almost 30 YEARS her voice would've given way like MC! Shanice was trained to go up in her high notes. Look at Opera singers and see how they do it - It's similar, also her technique is called superhead. MC abuses the false cord and though it looks effortless, she was ruining her upper register. Shanice will be able to do this even into her 70s.
@Kumtekmeon She strains; compare what she did to a whistle that Mariah's done live and you'll see who strains or doesn't. When Shanice does her whistle tones she does them with a very high larynx, which in turn brings out that forced sound. You can even tell by the histrionics she does JUST to hit a whistle note that there's tension. Look at, /watch?v=qJMDb5xSzPw and go to 2:14 in the video and you'll see conveniently what I mean.
@Kumtekmeon Mariah may have bad habits, but she doesn't have to make her poo come out just to get a simple whistle. When Mariah does her whistle notes, there's a natural vibrato in them if they're held out, which is a sign of vocal freedom. Shanice's have no vibrato; go figure!
@ItsFaltzer "Mariah may have BAD habits." In that case WHAT are you defending??? Please be composed when you DARE to reply to me. A whistle DOES NOT of have vibrato to be free - A singer does not put vibrato on every word when singing; vibrato is for effect and Shanice does in fact uses vibrato, hers just not as wobbly as MC's! If MC's whistles were sign of freedom, her voice wouldn't be in the gutter, thanks to her 'free' whistlings.
@Kumtekmeon Your assumption about Mariah Carey's voice going in the gutter is a baseless claim. If you have evidence to back up your claim, provide any. I take it that since you haven't provided any opposing evidence to refute my argument of Shanice straining for her whistles, that you concede them. In addition, she has no vibrato in this SSB whistle at ALL. And Mariah's vibrato is not wobbly; it's a spinning vibrato, which is a natural occurrence of holding out a note with a RELAXED throat
@ItsFaltzer #1. I do not make assumptions, I state FACTS! It is common knowledge that MC's voice is WASTED! And IF you had not seen the signs you would not have acknowledged her BAD HABITS! How DUMB can you be? The evidence of Shanice NOT straining her voice lies in the FACT that she can STILL sing in the original key as she has recorded and performed in over 20 YEARS ago! There is no breaks in her voice. She DOES NOT have to rely on Playbacks or have to resort to LIPSYNCHING to sing live!
@Kumtekmeon #1 - Celine Dion has been straining her voice for years to the point that she even had nodules, yet her voice is still in shape . LOL - "Common Knowledge"? You aren't citing any evidence for your claims to be factual; your argument doesn't hold up a candle to what I'm saying. So if you want to talk, show evidence. Otherwise, take your Shanice bias elsewhere. If you listened to a live Vision of Love performance, she goes from chest to whistle, therefore she has no breaks either.
@Kumtekmeon Further elaborating on your unquantified argument, Mariah does not lip sync. She has backup singers that sound just like her, and there are times when they take over certain parts because she doesn't feel up to it, but we're all human, and that doesn't make her any less of a great singer.
@ItsFaltzer #C. Thank you for also confirming that there is NOTHING special about MC being that YOU have now stated that she has backup singers who "SOUND JUST LIKE HER." I will ask again, WHAT are you defending? You are WRONG again. MC stated in that interview that she would go about talking in a HIGH WHISPERY VOICE (not whistle, it's whispery) - To test how damaging that is I dare you to try and talk in a high whispery voice. That is how she went about abusing the False Cord to strain herself!
@Kumtekmeon #C. Lol. That doesn't show anything about Mariah's voice. And backup singing is a lot like choir singing, so the different color voices combine to make a tone similar to Mariah's, so it's seamless. Mariah has a unique tone of voice; the fact that you can tell it's her is a dead giveaway of this fact, so don't pull that straw man bull on here and expect to get away with it. Shanice sounds like every other Black singer out there; the same, tired, overly brassy timbre.
@ItsFaltzer #2. Where is the evidence that Shanice strains? Do you live in her chest and throat? In order for YOU to say Shanice strains you MUST be able to show beyond doubt that AS A RESULT OF! The act of straining brings about consequences i.e. hoarseness, breaks, voice depletion etc. Please identify which of these consequences is shown by Shanice? MC most popular version of the anthem was lipsynched. There are videos on my channel that highlight some of her drawbacks etc., so STOP trippin'.
@Kumtekmeon #2. Ultimate proof you aren't reading my comments and are just rambling on. I posted in the previous comments a link to a video that shows Shanice straining JUST to hit a whistle note in Alejandro. And don't give me that "you're not her" bullshit; if you know anything AT ALL (obv., you don't,) about vocal production, you'll know that strain automatically transfers to the produced sound. And look at her face in this video and the other one and tell me it's effortless. I DARE you.
@Kumtekmeon #C (cont.) You're ridiculous; according to your logic, phonation in an airy head voice is falsetto simply because it's airy. Her whistle register by trademark is airy, and in some instances, less airy than other times. And an airy quality is mostly due to; wait... oh yes! Vocal nodules! Silly me, how could I miss that! Again, prove she uses the false cord function or shut up with that; you bring that up in all your arguments, but they're unfounded.
@ItsFaltzer #2. If MC was whistling with a relaxed [spinning] vibrato and it being a [natural] occurrence, her voice would NOT be in the GUTTER that it is in! Shanice employs what is referred to as a RESTRAINED vibrato, not one that sounds forced ala MC! To be objective one has to rely on FACTS. Your rants are devoid of any credibility. Take NOTE that MC's mother was NEVER an accomplished opera singer, neither is there ANY proof that she trained MC -
@Kumtekmeon #1 (cont.) You're an idiot. Mariah stated in an interview that when she was young she would TALK in whistle register, and her mom put her on the piano to figure out her range, and from there taught her classical technique. Even Patricia Carey, her mother, stated this too. Honestly; if you want to make up shit, you can do it about Shanice. She has enough delusional fans like you to back whatever hyperbole you make of her. And Mariah has en even vibrato; show proof of it 'forced'
@Kumtekmeon You need to stop taking my arguments out of context if you're going to "dare" to respond to me. Just because I admitted that Mariah Carey has some bad habits doesn't make her ENTIRE method of sound production bad. And you aren't going to have vibrato on every word you sing, but when you hold out a note, vibrato is a natural oscillation of your cords when using good technique, and I've never heard Shanice pull off a whistle with a non-artificial vibrato.
@ItsFaltzer What you have OR never heard is not my concern, my point is that YOU are out of order to speak so condescendingly about a genuine talent, even when admitting the other who you favor DOES have bad habits! I don't recall a quantity on MC's bad habit, so your 'Some' is a little too LATE! Minnie, Jean Carne and those whose genre is straight opera DON'T go about (at all times) putting vibrato on all their long notes. Shanice was PROPERLY trained NOT MC , so she KNOWS best! Take note!
@Kumtekmeon I'm not being condescending and I wasn't insulting Shanice. Honestly, if you have the little fanboy/fangirl card so far stuck up your ass that you can't realize I'm just bringing about an objective comment on Shanice's technique without making this a fan war, then I'm done with you.
@ItsFaltzer #3. On the other hand Seth Riggs is a trained Opera performer and have developed the SLS technique that is praised by Barbra, Stevie Wonder etc. Shanice was trained by such a great NOT by listening to the radio and trying to MIMIC Minnie as MC did as a child. MC's mom told her she would RUIN her voice by har 'BAD HABITS' i.e. abusing the False Cord to sing high notes and that is NOW the case being that she CAN'T even sing one song 100% live! Shanice DOES NOT have bad habits...
@Kumtekmeon #3. Seth Riggs didn't teach Barba or Stevie how to sing; they already had amazing voices. All Seth did was keep them these artists in check. And Speech-Level Singing isn't really looked up to as great technique in the singing community because it sees speech and singing as the same thing, when studies have shown that they are physicaly and psychologically different. Any credible bel canto (which is the ONLY technique to develop a powerful voice) teacher will tell you that.
@Kumtekmeon #3. Just because I like to tear apart your bullshit and expose you for the biased fanboy/fangirl you are, I've noticed that this isn't the first video you've ragged on Mariah with no logical basis. The reason why her whistle register sounds like that is because she was born with vocal nodules. And if it was really a false cord function, she would not be able to transition to it from chest (Vision of Love) or even form clear words in it. Here, get a clue: /watch?v=oIjD1mBWipI
@ItsFaltzer #F. The reason why Shanice doesn't record much is because 1. She has a life outside singing. 2. Her songs are not FADS and are able to stand up to time. 3. Shanice grew up in front of the camera so she isn't frighten for spotlight. If Shanice was horrible YOU would not be here ranting. MC is horrible and that is why I DO NOT go onto her vids. Wake UP from your fantasy. MC was not born with nodules HER strain attempts trying to mimic Minnie has caused her Nodules. You're ignorant.
@Kumtekmeon #F (cont.) You're taking this out of context, AGAIN. I'm not saying Shanice is horrible; I'm talking about vocal technique, and you go on talking about artistry, which has nothing to do with this. I don't have a fantasy, because I can acknowledge any bad habits that Mariah has. And you have no proof to say otherwise that she was not born with nodules; she claimed it herself, and so did her doctor. My cousin was born with vocal nodules; it's completely possible, just like
@ItsFaltzer #7. Since MC is said to be BLACK also, I take it then that she too is just like all other Black singers? Pulling the Race Card ONLY shows how desperately STUPID you are. At the end of the day I CAN distinguish Shanice voice from her Backups - YOU have said MC sounds like her Backups, so showing your RACISM will NOT distract from that! Ella Fitzgerald, Aretha, Sarah Vaughn etc are all BLACK! Does your opinion justify WHY Black singers are historically seen as better singers?
@Kumtekmeon #7. I'm not racist, you oversensitive prick. I'm black too, and I'm not saying black singers are mediocre; my favorite genres are dominated by them. All I was saying is that her sound is not distinct unless you're a hardcore fan enough to distinguish her sound. It's too easily reproducible. What is your point on back-ups? How many people do you actually know that can match Mariah Carey's timbre? Believe me, they don't grow on trees, so your point is at best moot. :)
@ItsFaltzer #F. My essential point is saying her technique is based on the False Cord and that is shown in her AIRY singing! Great singing is CLEAR and free NOT breathy! No doctor says ANYTHING about MC born with nodules - Unless he's a QUACK! Go do some research and STOP wasting precious time! Don't be ridiculous. Everyone with a good voice can sing, BUT not necessarily CORRECTLY - If Barbra and others were secured in their ability they would not have the need to get training!
@Kumtekmeon Alright; after watching the videos you spoke of, I can say that I concede the point on Mariah Carey's whistle register being sub par in comparison to Shanice's and Minnie's, as my arguments were based on the trentnjones video, so I thank you for opening my eyes up to the bias that I was being exposed to as well. However, I don't concede the point of her being a horrible singer (based on what I've seen, she is bad at technique, so no dispute there,) as that is a matter of opinion.
@ItsFaltzer #G. Not all the singers Seth trained do Pop. His list include Rock, Country, Opera etc. So once AGAIN do some research! NOT because you are Black means you CAN'T be racist (prejudice) against your own; in fact you are the WORST kind! You are in NO position to speak about distinctiveness BECAUSE you have already said that MC and her Backups sing alike! Shanice has her own style and tone and I can very well pick her from Randy, Nancy, Deborah, Tamia, Monica, Brandy, 'MC' WH!!!
@Kumtekmeon And to clarify, my point on SLS is that it doesn't give completely novice singers a base to work on powerful and rich tones with. SLS does teach about relaxing into your notes rather than push, however it doesn't stress breathing and support, despite them being very fundamental to the powerful singing that those people that you mentioned do. So if anything, I believe Shanice had vocal chops and all Seth did was ensure that her voice would not tear down due to bad technique.
@Kumtekmeon (cont.) And to clarify, once more, I am not prejudice against my own kind. All of my favorite musical artists are black or sing in genres dominated by black people. Perhaps I was abrasive in that point and I meant to say that their timbres are very similar, and not as vastly distinct as for example, Ella Fitzgerald. But yeah. I concede your points. :)
@ItsFaltzer #8. I don't care what you label Shanice as. Your role is to SHOW evidence! Without evidence it is simply an opinion! You are the one who needs to present evidence that MC was born with nodules -Which is IMPOSSIBLE BECASUE SHE WASN'T! In fact my RESEARCH is yet to find any report of children being born with nodules - The operative word seen is DEVELOP, because that is how nodules come about UNLESS the child was born with some rare disease that affects the cords: you are LOONY!
@Kumtekmeon #8. Even if I can't prove it, so what? You still haven't proved that she developed nodules as a result of "mimicing Minnie," so you shouldn't be tooting your horn, because you have no leg to stand on either. And mutations like these can happen; just like you can be born with one eye missing, you can be born with nodules. Just the way things work. And it's not impossible unless proven.
@ItsFaltzer #H. What is there for me to prove OTHER THAN the fact she testified in an interview back in the 90s that she went about mimicking Minnie and her method of doing so was CLEAR vocal abuse - Your denial doesn't change the fact that her voice is GONE and it's NOT because of her age OR her years of 'singing'! Show me scientific evidence that says babies born with nodules (outside of RARE circumstances with peculiarities), then I will consider your FLAWED points. Shanice is BETTER, get it!
@Kumtekmeon #F (cont.) being born with vocal cysts is. So your little 'mimic Minnie' situation is also bogus. And really, are you hearing yourself? You don't even FOLLOW Mariah to be voicing an opinion on her; I follow both artists, therefore my opinion is guaranteed to be less biased than yours.
Either way, I'm done with you; you're so up in your bias about Shanice that you can't even see around it. If you want to claim "victory," go ahead; you'll still be wrong for years to come. Bye.
@Kumtekmeon And take note that Mariah Carey's mother was an Opera singer and was trained by HER. See? You know little to nothing about Mariah but want to pretend like you know everything. Shanice has bad habits just like Mariah does; but that doesn't mean that all their bad habits outweigh their singing. This is all just technical stuff; I'm not dissing anyone here. And I'm not redeeming my previous Mariah's bad habit statement because I don't need to; I wasn't being a hypocrite.
@ItsFaltzer #4. The ONLY 'bad habit' Shanice has and that is she doesn't record much! Please do not insult Jazz by using it in the same sentence with MC, because MC doesn't have the chops to take on Jazz, Broadway or anything that demands TRUE vocalization. The fact of the matter is that Shanice is the one with the BETTER technique which is why she can STILL stand and deliver WITHOUT studio enhancements!
@Kumtekmeon Lol; insulting Jazz? Grow up and toss your genre elitism aside. Mariah's low chest belts demolish even Christina Aguilera's belts. Mariah Carey doesn't have a studio voice; again, you're talking out of your ass. Look at the Emotions live performance at MTV VMAs at 1991 and tell me that she sounds different in the studio. Look at her single, 'Oh Santa!'; even Charice, who is a powerhouse, admitted on a Billboard interview that she couldn't sing the song b/c it was too much.
@ItsFaltzer #A. Celine's voice "still in shape" is questionable. It is reported that in later years she is forced to also employ the use of playbacks. I have also come across recent 'live' performances of hers and I am in a [safe] position to say her voice no longer has the strength it once had! Bear in mind YOU are YET to say anything, so I am puzzled as to WHY you continue claiming substance??? If you are going to speak to anybody re Shanice, please point to Patti, Gladys, Barbra etc.
@Kumtekmeon #A: I don't need to prove anything to you; I wasn't the one making comparisons or assumptions; you were. The burden of proof is on YOU. All I was doing was setting the record straight, which was the fact that she strains, and despite me showing you evidence, you want to delude yourself into claiming otherwise. 'Reported' nothing; again, show videos and comparisons and THEN maybe I won't think you're full of shit.
@Kumtekmeon The reason why Shanice doesn't record much is because she's not as great as you're exaggerating! Her Bb5's are horrible. She strains; I don't care how much you want to deny it. If you strain on the bottom of your range, then you're going to strain for every note in between. Just because you had training doesn't mean you're suddenly unable to do bad habits. You seem to have trouble grasping this.
@ItsFaltzer #B. I am on a Shanice Wilson's video and you DARE telling me to go somewhere else? Why don't YOU take your baseless rants re MC to her videos? Once AGAIN you have confirmed my correctness, because MC does BREAK by going from Chest to whistle - she forgets the connecting MIDDLE, as such she jumps as noted by Eric Arceneuax (vocal coach) from Chest to her DISCONNECTED False Cord abused whistles! There are PLENTY of videos here on You Tube CONFIRMING MC's lipsynching, so STOP trippin'!
@Kumtekmeon #B. The only way you can prove they're lip syncing is if you suddenly turn off the microphone equipment and they're still not singing. Glitter has proved that she is a bad lip syncer by definition, so if she was lip syncing, people would immediately notice. And in addition, you can't prove shit with mediocre quality cameras whose audio and video frames are not going at the same exact rate. You'd have to be there for yourself to also truly notice.
@Kumtekmeon #B (cont.) Just because it is a Shanice video doesn't mean you being biased is OK; it's not. And second of all, you can't mix in your whistle register; it's impossible, just like singing words under a "false cord function" is. Your false cord claim is unfounded and completely bogus, and Eric Arceneaux never stated that Mariah used the false cord function at all. And it's connected: /watch?v=b-eVRX7Dpw0 - Again, shut up; you're clueless.
@ItsFaltzer #1. I at no time made comparisons OR assumptions that justify your intrusion. NO! The burden of proof is on YOU to disprove the FACT that MC has abused her voice by improper technique! Bear in mind FACTS cannot change and in that vein I will ask that you go onto some of MC's vids and read the comments from her faithful lambs and see how much they WAIL about her voice NO LONGER the same. This has brought about the AGE and MANY years of performing theories - ALL RUBBISH!!!
@Kumtekmeon #1. You claimed that Mariah Carey strains her voice. I don't need to prove or disprove anything; you're the one who needs to prove it, because you made the assumption. Learn how to argue. I claimed that Shanice strains, and I provided video evidence for you to copy and paste into your browser, but in your bias, you ignored it, so don't blame me for your illiteracy.
@Kumtekmeon #1 (cont.) Lol. Look at Mariah's recent performances; look at her performance at Disney and you'll see she can still belt it out like no other. And you're clueless; the voice continues to change as we age; it's not something that is always set in stone. It's not the quality of her voice that has changed oh so drastically. It's the style and the records she's been producing that have changed drastically.
@ItsFaltzer #A. I don't make claims, I STATE facts. Since you insist on seeing videos that highlight MC's POOR vocalizing AND lipsynching, here are some links: /watch?v=GXn9eiWKIrY and /watch?v=lOCKsjD3MM8&NR=1 and
/watch?v=2WPyFwONPac&feature=related and /watch?v=xau8g9FyxzU&feature=channel_video_title and /watch?v=9Ac2PhWvtK4 and /watch?v=OcUG8VpXLLI&feature=related.
I just realized that you DARED to use a video by trentnjones as proof that Shanice strains - ARE YOU SERIOUS?!!!
@ItsFaltzer #B. That faulty video by trentnjones was PROPERLY addressed by a well researched AND presented video by seetdeh: /watch?v=XFlJfsL-VVM&feature=channel_video_title
I suggest you READ the notes carefully in this video, so you don't waste my time responding! In addition, MC's recent performances were DUBBED - they were NOT fully live. In fact I came across the dubbed version of her O Holy Night and it was HORRENDOUS with all the flat notes and breaks! You have MUCH to learn!
@ItsFaltzer #D. As a result of such abuse for which her mother WARNED her, she quickly developed NODULES! It is one thing to sing BUT it's another thing to sing CORRECTLY! That's the gift Seth gave to Barbra, Stevie AND Shanice! So much so Barbra and Stevie recommended others to him and Stevie even stopped in the middle of his concert to thank Seth, because he could feel the DIFFERENCE! Do NOT speak on matters that are outside your scope. SLS is highly praised and suits many genres!
@Kumtekmeon #D. She was born with nodules, just like Judy Garland was, and Mariah's had to sing through them as a handicap, similar to how David Archuleta has one vocal cord paralyzed. Find me a report where her mother 'warned her' of singing whistle tones and developing nodules as a result; you keep making shit up, AGAIN, with no evidence.
@ItsFaltzer #3. You accepting the FACT that MC lipsynchs- even her whistles, is YOUR choice! So you are now expert on the false cord? Well as shown on one of my FAVORITE vids, a REAL expert in voice (David L. Jones) confirms that MC suffers from the False Cord effect, so you and your immaturity are just time wasters. However, Eric did say SHANICE and MINNIE use the correct HEALTHY approach and went on to advise others to use them as EXAMPLES! So do not accuse me of things I did not say.
@Kumtekmeon I'm not an expert, but I know enough about it to know your theory is bullshit and doesn't apply to Mariah. She doesn't "suffer" from false chord; she suffers from nodules; two completely different things. He can be a vocal coach all he wants, but he's not an ENT to know how her nodules affect her sound. And Eric's argument is that Mariah's voice is disconnected; this video proves otherwise: /watch?v=b-eVRX7Dpw0 - And I've already talked about Shanice; Minnie has great technique.
@ItsFaltzer #C. That video you point me to as proof that Shanice strains TELLS how ignorant you are of what STRAINING is! PLEASE do not talk about facial expression because that doesn’t say whether one is straining. You DON'T sing with your face, you sing using inner body support. Patti Labelle, Jennifer Holliday etc don't give a damn about how they look when singing and after DECADES in the business, their voices are still in top shape! That video piecing MC's notes DOES NOT prove connectivity!
@ItsFaltzer #4. I DID NOT say anything about "mix in your whistle" My point speaks to her INABILITY to go from lower-middle-upper register without breaking; as Eric pointed out, she JUMPS from chest straight into whistle. The FACT that her whistles are plagued by a breathy overtone is also sign of BAD PRACTICE! So do not come with that CRAP about airiness/breathy is her trademark - YES, resulting from the effect of the FALSE CORD abuse! Any trained voice coach will tell you airiness is BAD!
@Kumtekmeon #4. I never said anything about a trademark sound; in fact, I was actually going to repeat what you still can't get through your head: her nodules. Here, in case you missed it in the comment I posted just now: /watch?v=b-eVRX7Dpw0 - again, another baseless argument of yours is destroyed! This proves that she is connected; and jumping from one register to the next is not a break in the voice. Chest to head isn't a break; it's a transition singers NEED to sort out, which MC has done
@ItsFaltzer #D. I'm well aware that the voice does change with age, but voice change AND voice depletion are different things! You are greatly naive for using GREAT singing as proof that Shanice strains! MC in that link re Emotions is a good example of straining. She had to take long break to whistle and when she did, it was weak, and the ending break unevenly. NEVER has Shanice shown such lack of control of her ability! So this is your tutorial /watch?v=XFlJfsL-VVM&feature=channel_video_title
@Kumtekmeon #D (cont.) SLS ONLY suits light singing styles, nothing heavy like rock or metal, or even Broadway. For that, classical techniques are the way to go. And again, Seth didn't teach Barbra, Stevie and Shanice how to sing. They ALREADY knew; he just taught them about how to improve their phonation. If you aren't a belter, SLS isn't going to make you one. SLS singers have thin and weak voices and lack that depth and thickness of someone with a forward placement.
@ItsFaltzer #5. WHY do you need to LIE to make a point? Judy Garland did not born with nodules! You are definitely one of the CRAZIES! Please read with understanding. At no time I said MC was warned about whistling - She was warned about TALKING in a high whispery voice, how SLOW can you be! She suppressed her cord in order to train it to produce the whistles as such she developed nodules - She was NOT correctly trained to go that high as Shanice and Debelah were, and Opera Sopranos.
@Kumtekmeon #5. That high whispery voice of hers is her whistle, dumbass, therefore your point was essentially saying to not whistle, because even YOU said yourself that her whistle is airy. And until you provide evidence that Mariah was not born with nodules, then anything you say about the quality of her whistle register is bogus. You're not going to contradict what a qualified ENT himself stated about her cords without scientific evidence to back your point up.
@ItsFaltzer #E. The 'lol' is all yours! There's nothing great about Emotions live or recorded, especially being that it is an example of her plagiarism! In addition there's a video on You Tube that shows MC giving an AWFUL performance of that song outside the US. So if it's the whistles you're impressed with, those were flat and weak. On thing about Shanice is CONSISTENCY and her live always outdo her records - that's how great she is! Charice is Asian and they are known for their modesty!
@Kumtekmeon #E. You're being inconsiderate. People have on and off days; and Mariah, just like many vocalists, needs rest in order for her vocals to be in top shape, which is something that even her doctor (as she stated in the video, AGAIN,) stated is important for her to even be able to reach those high notes. She has an amazing overall voice, and there are no studio tricks.
@ItsFaltzer #6. Once again you are WRONG! Here are a list of singers trained by Seth: Stevie Wonder, Josh Groban Michael Jackson Natalie Cole Tina Turner Barbra Streisand SHANICE etc etc. Aren't these people from various genres? In fact when Michael Bolton was to make his Classical record he went to Seth for help! SLS is far reaching! Off day is Shanice going flat on that 5 second whistle in O Holy Night. MC on the other hand is simply a POOR singer as she has had TOO MANY consistent offs!
@Kumtekmeon #6. You are missing the point; all of these singers sing Pop, R&B or Soul styles, which are generally softly sung genres. And in addition, all of these singers already KNEW how to sing or had singing chops to begin with. Barbra stopped taking singing lessons at one point too. Name someone who didn't know how to sing and Seth taught 'em; maybe THEN your point will be valid. All you're doing is buying into their propaganda and thinking it's the holy grail of singing; it's not.
@ItsFaltzer #E. You are definitely NO expert which is why you are to remain QUIET and listen to those of us who are in the KNOW! I at no time said MC suffers from false cord, I said she ABUSES False Cord and suffers nodules AS A RESULT! Medical Research is able to conclude signs of nodules BEFORE having to do a scan; how crazy can you be? YES you did say airy is her trademark, so keep your views under wrap! MC doesn't sing whispery, she sings BREATHY and voice specialist confirms that it's BAD!
@Kumtekmeon #E (cont.) Oh, and by the way, I doubt that any Asian that enters over 70 singing contests is at all 'modest' about her vocal ability. Especially one that makes some over the top and exaggerated hand gestures when she can sing the notes without all of the histrionics. Think about that. ;)
@ItsFaltzer #9. Being MODEST and AMBITIOUS are not equal, so having entered 100 contest DOESN'T make one any less modest! Being that MC is also guilty of unnecessary hand gestures, I take it she too is immodest? MC was the one in that interview admits to have been influenced by Minnie and said how she would go about trying to sing as high as Minnie. It is to do that, she came up with the brilliant idea to go around her house talking in a high whispery voice - Get it, RACIST?
@Kumtekmeon #9. Singing is a psychological and physical activity, and it has been shown that left brain activity (which influences singing,) can be affected by things such as moving your left hand and whatnot. And unless you define, "unnecessary," objectively then you have no argument for whether her hand gestures are or aren't useful to her. But you don't see her stomping the floor or trying to pop her body to a syncopated beat every time. Fine line between the two of them.
@Kumtekmeon Mariah doesn't abuse vibrato either; she uses it sparingly, but it's a bit ridiculous to criticize her use of vibrato when she sings in a genre whose vocal stylings revolve around vibrato, riffing and all that Jazz :) - And it's funny that you mention Operatic singing too, because it is used so much in that genre of music that composers have had to explicitly write in their piece to use no vibrato, and its become a rule that it should not be used at all in Renaissance Era literature.
@iCharlie94 You are more STUPID than anyone could imagine - Deleting your absurd comments and bragging about it, is like a criminal giving his personal details to his victim.
Does anyone remember her singing this at MTV's Rock n Jock back in 92 or 93? That is still my favorite version of the national anthem EVER! Wish I could find it :/
@Dawnina77 It was posted ephemerally on You Tube around two years ago, along with some other of her great 90s performances, BUT the uploader's account was closed shortly after for copyright breaches. It pisses me that most of Shanice's LIVE performances are not available on the internet.
@Kumtekmeon What a bummer! Such a great performance, when I was 13 I recorded it and watched it everyday...it's to bad they always stifle the good music.
@britrob24 Only MC's skanks praise her 'breathy whistles', because EVERY decent voice coach knows that a breathy singing/whistling is UNHEALTHY! A sign of the abuse of the false cord! No wonder her full voice has gone with The Wind...So Cold!
LOL "asthmatic wheezing" it's just breathier that's all.
But I always hated that too, it's cool and all, but sounds so dry... but people who can't sing think things like that are the BEST thing in the world cuz they don't know any better.
OKAY MARIAH CAREY STANS I AM ONE OF THEM LIKE TRULY AM BUT YALL NEED TO STOPPP WITH THE HATING SHANICE IS WONDERFULLLL HAVE YOU HEARD THE SONG "TAKE CARE OF U"?? I DONT THINK SO, SO STOPP WITH THE HATING AND GO HATE ON PPL WHO DONT HAVE TALENT SMH.
@Kumtekmeon haha once again: don't dare admit her poor grammar and sentence structure and once again: showcases of her mastery at diverging topics :waaa
@kelvinpyaeko Your failing is that you continue to PROVE how dumb you are. If you did have an ounce of sense you would've kept your mouth shut, but ONCE AGAIN you have slapped yourself. Get a reality check!!! Your insistence to correct me testifies that YOU are well aware that MC is the one with the UNHEALTHY whistles, AND as such my statement COULD NOT be directed towards Shanice. Thanks for your CONFESSION. I am always ahead, don't forget it!
@Kumtekmeon haha...you really suck at reasoning and relating! you must have flanked in your english 101 class haha...what's the correlation between you feeling insecure to admit your error and me realizing MC's whistles? haha oh is it what you call something that testifies? LMAO...oh yeah you are always ahead with your superficially thinking brain..oops
@kelvinpyaeko You personify MADNESS! I responded to a comment you made about 'shriek', what does that have to do with 'sentence structure'? The FACT is you are a slow learner. You are the one straying by obsessing over structure when the issue is about whistling. Thank you for stupidly SUPPORTING my point. The only thing left is for you to say directly, ''MC's whistles are asthmatic wheezes.'' Next time DON'T stray from topic.
@Kumtekmeon lol..you are the only straying from the topic all the time. lol..this is obviously a 'shriek', which is painful to hear... and her whistles just can't be ascended directly...lol..haha so? after all, your so-called MC's whistles got that name due to your personal distaste..haha so talking with a person like you who is not capable of having a dialogue is just like listening to her shriek...lmao oops
@kelvinpyaeko You wouldn't know what is a topic even if you were given a HEADLINE! I can assure you that this is not a 'shriek' BUT a strong and clear connected whistle that MC cannot DO! However, MC 's whistle (as demonstrated on her cover of the anthem) is an asthmatic wheeze! Don't talk dirt about Shanice when you DON'T know her work, at least ALL that I say about MC is SPOT ON! In addition, I am dispassionate about MC; I ONLY speak FACTS! Go and study your subject before responding.
@Kumtekmeon well, when a person's feeling, which is being dispassionate in your case, can intervene and make up so-called facts! so when you said 'facts', they should be 'subjective'. but in your case, it absolutely not. haha you should be the one who should know what 'facts' basically mean FAIL
@kelvinpyaeko Maybe I will take you seriously AFTER you refute my points adequately. Saying something isn't factual DOESN'T make it so. Why don't you stop dancing around your grave and just jump in?
@Kumtekmeon lol it's already enough. i have nothing to say remotely (shall i say enlighten) a weirdo like you. At least, I am not as malicious as like you, who wants people to DIE when she herself knows she is losing..that comment reflects a lot your sinfulness..haha GODDESS oops
@kelvinpyaeko ''I have nothing say;'' This quote fittingly describes you, as you are YET to say anything of worth. Let me teach you what is FACT! 'Malicious' is your intemperate attacks on Shanice ON HER VIDEOS. There is no evidence of me belittling or falsely accusing MC on or off her videos, BUT your presence here confirms that YOU are the one being malicious. In closing, learn to interpret: to jump into one's grave is to get it over with - GET TO THE POINT and stop wasting time.
@Kumtekmeon same goes for you. You constantly accused MC of not being talentless in a way that sales and fame don't account for talents and expressing your distaste on her and of course, belittling and degrading her as if she has 0 talent. (that's not true, so it's legitimate that you did accuse, have been still)...FAIL..."get over it' ? well, we are not into so-called london lame slang..so just enjoy yourself with those idiotic stuff...oops
@kelvinpyaeko Excusing your error, I will BOLDLY say that I at no time ever said MC is talentless! What I have maintained is that Shanice is BETTER. Please do not misquote me when I said Fame doesn't equate talent. This doesn't mean a famous person cannot be talented, it simply means that a talentless OR poorly talented person can attain super-stardom. Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian etc. Maybe IF you paid attention to what you read you would've avoided embarrassing yourself; too late I see.
@Kumtekmeon oh really? then why are you still quoting with that freaking equation whenever you defend your point? now again, u said 'it simply means that a TALENTLESS or POORLY talented person can attain super-stardom' and basically, the fact that you use that quote to defend your point implies that you WANT to put MC into that category..please..don't be rambling
@kelvinpyaeko I do so because it is FACTUAL! Unless you are contesting that all famous persons like those mentioned are talented, and persons like Debelah Morgan, Linda Lewis etc who have talents BUT whose names are not household names are NOT talented? What are you saying? When I use my reference in MC's case it is always used to counter the poor attempt to link her fame DIRECTLY to her 'talent'. In that case MC's fans shouldn't get upset if I say Britney is just as talented as MC.
@Kumtekmeon again? so-called factual points? but the thing is your equation is just a generalization ..it doesn't account to every single artist. britney and madonna are famous yet no real talents in terms of voice. whitney and celine are famous and their voices are legendary. yeah.debelah morgan and even some of the idol winner are underrated yet their voices are great. there are also many singers out there who are not famous coz their voices are just plain. so.what's your point?
@kelvinpyaeko My point is that you are SLOW! In your comment you have agreed that NOT all famous persons are talented AND that there are some great talents who are NOT famous. Therefore, is it a lie that ''Fame does not equate talent?'' If the answer is yes, YOU need to say why Rihanna is famous and Debelah isn't. Why MC 's fans so slow when it comes on to understanding simple logic? You are wasting time. A toddler can understand my point.
@Kumtekmeon haha FAIL again..i used all those examples to point out your superficial GENERALIZATION..now who is being slow to get the point? haha...so you think that equation is true for everyone? oops..i have already pointed out some of the exceptions in my previous comment, but seems like you don't get it haha...may be a woman with a toddler's brain..:waa
@kelvinpyaeko It is such a pity when you create a username that you don't get a new mental state. You are STILL dumb! Those examples SUPPORT my point that fame DOES NOT equate talent. There are other variables existing, as such my point STANDS and your poor attempt to distract is a waste of effort! MC fans are dumb and that is a perfect example of generalization; one that is accurate! Nothing is superficial or shallow about my FACTS, but your rants are so superfluous, GET a life!
@Kumtekmeon lol Miss Judge: please, if those examples support your point, what would you say for beyonce, whitney and celine? have you ever heard of them? you still can't get it. your equation accounts for only generalization. there have been so many great artists that have refuted your so-called generalized equation, invented by YOU. so uhm, you must have flanked in english essays coz u tend to generalize a lot..oops
@kelvinpyaeko WOW! You're super-dumb!!! Have you overlooked what I said about ''OTHER VARIABLES?'' Therefore, whether you believe Beyonce, WH or Celine are talented that's NOT the point, because the FACT is, their fame is NOT [solely] based on their talents, in that case Phyllis Hyman, Teena Marie, Angela Winbush would be super-famous! Talent DOES NOT guarantee fame, if that was the case Shanice would've been doing the super bowl instead of Christina wrecking it! Other FACTORS at play!
@Kumtekmeon other? again? to what extend do u wanna mean by other? u always generalize things..haha...ofcoz, when all those women first came out, it's their talents that bring them to fame..omg..you are so retarded..just can't get it? of coz..again the generalized your equation 'talent doesn't guarantee fame' is also not true for every one..but it's just unfortunate that your shanice was in the exception group for that..i can't do anything for that..so stop lecturing as if u r a know-it-all
@kelvinpyaeko If you can't understand what OTHER factors mean in this case, you have NO grounds on which to continue. If you consider Celine to be talented, that talent existed long before she was famous. Fame and Talent ARE NOT the same. They are SEPARATE entities. One can be talented WITHOUT fame and another famous without 'talent'! What is so hard to understand? Why MC fans so DUMB? Since you DISAGREE that ''talent doesn't guarantee fame,'' EXPLAIN why all talented persons not famous?
@Kumtekmeon and let me quote what u said "one can be talented without fame and another famous with talent" yeah..it's true..but you think it applies to everyone? haha that's why i have to keep telling you that you tend to generalize too much...shit..i am not like you who always generalize..and i even had mentioned all the examples just so you can UNDERSTAND..haha now who is super duper DUMB? oopps
@kelvinpyaeko Are you that much of a LIAR? Do you know what is a quote? You OBVIOUSLY do not! In my LAST comment below, line 3 says, ''Fame and Talent ARE NOT the same. '' AND IN LINES 4-5, ''One can be talented WITHOUT fame and another famous without 'talent'!'' As I often suggest, CUT AND PASTE!!! So go and get your glasses and don't come to me with CRAP! Answer the question, ''EXPLAIN why all talented persons not famous?'' STOP changing the subject, it won't work.
@Kumtekmeon well, so you think those sentences are so valid that it applies to every single artist? FAIL..epic one! oh, those talented persons, may be, don't have good luck to meet with the right music-industry producer or may be some of them would just prefer to SING rather than get famous like they are satisfied with their life as long as they are singing even in your daily life. haha...how u dare accuse me of changing the subject. coz u r the one who is much notorious for straying the topic!
@kelvinpyaeko Get off the carousel! Here you go AGAIN admitting to the FACT that other factors determine HOW Famous a singer becomes, as such being talented DOES NOT secure fame. And from what we have seen, a lot of those less talented have secured Fame. Therefore, my insistence that we DON'T equate talent with fame is justified. As I suspect, you will return to contradict yourself. A zebra cannot change its stripes, but may I suggest some paint?
@Kumtekmeon carouse? haha you are the one creating that. oops...still you failed..you can't back up your generalized statement..it's funny how you think it applies to every one. justified? oops...no contradiction..ain't I right that it's not valid enough to be a fact? haha
@Kumtekmeon you might not be lost, but perhaps couldn't function things at all as you have been mentally broken piece of brainless human. i am glad you left the dessert. now i suggest you go to mental ward and leave as a human with the big deal brain.
@Kumtekmeon haha you can never come up with your own defense...oh now you admit you have not done so YET; good good...now Kumtekmeon is insisting that she has not gone to mental ward (don't try say 'i just said you have hope', cause as a matter of expression, it implies that truth) oops ...epic fail big big big
@kelvinpyaeko Grow up for a change and allow me to enjoy Shanice without having to come across you. I know it is dull on the other side, BUT I didn't know it was that bad.
@Kumtekmeon ok i understand. frankly, i came to know shanice on all those comparison videos, but now that i tasted her vocal prowess, i admit that i love her voice and some of her songs and covers. it's just that you are sometimes acting melodramatically. ok enough said..anyway, i hope u don't get upset by me and wish u and shanice best of luck. XD
@iCharlie94 if talking about those 60s or 70s singers like say Aretha to Gladys they all have their own style, what makes Shanice a hot contender is that her voice is linked to the past but she still is able to adapt to todays contemporary style and she has an amazing voice. You can't hear songs like You Are You, Love Is The Gift and If I Were Your Woman and many others and deny her place.
@iCharlie94 I read your comments and I want to know who is it that is UP THERE that you think is vocally above Shanice? Every great singer is great for their own style and interpretation of music. Patti Labelle is great and so too is Chaka Khan, are they the same? NO! Shanice is right Up there in her own rights. You simply have an unwarranted bias against Shanice. Why don't you keep your Personal Opinion PERSONAL? One thing for sure NONE of the greats you might name can do as Shanice here.
@iCharlie94 Dude? I am too grown not to know my stuff - 'Charice'? You can't even bring yourself to speak SHANICE's name! Child, I don't stir drama, I AM DRAMA! Did I say my position was personal? I don't express opinions, I state FACTS! MC and WH are vocally in the past, I DON'T have a Time Machine to take me back to the 90s, and even then they were overrated in comparison to Shanice. JHudson is ok, but let me know when she can turn water into wine. Child, I am at HOME, so YOU stay away.
@iCharlie94 Work? Please DON'T insult intelligent people. Let me remind you, you have not said anything of consequence, so your STANDING is limited to the dunce corner. Fired up? Child, my fire is ALWAYS up! Once again, go back into your hole!
EVERYTHING MC does is an imitation of those before her, and Shanice is one of those before MC! You are also WAY off talking about Shanice's whistles aren't powerful or controlled as MC - All of MC's fans knows Shanice whistles are STRONGER and LONGER held than MC's! Shanice'S technique is ADVANCED - MC uses false cord while Shance uses the extension of her natural voice. That is why an UNTRAINED boy on youtube can do MC's tricks BUT CAN'T do Shanice's whistles! How then does that make MC better?
no no no no no honey, MC is a product of Those Who inpsired her . Mc NEVER imitates, she has no need to when she is the best vocally . Shanice can not do the acrobat whistling like MC . Shanice's whistles do not sound angelic. they sound forced and strained . & as far as being 'advanced' Both MC & Shanice are obviously advanced regardless , so idk what you were implying by that .Trying to back up your comments by saying a boy can do "MC's tricks " doesnt prove your point . MC is overall, better
Shanice strains to reach her whistle register but it sounds great. Such control of her voice...
ItsFaltzer 4 months ago
@ItsFaltzer Shanice DOES NOT 'strain' to reach her whistle register. IF that was the case after doing this for almost 30 YEARS her voice would've given way like MC! Shanice was trained to go up in her high notes. Look at Opera singers and see how they do it - It's similar, also her technique is called superhead. MC abuses the false cord and though it looks effortless, she was ruining her upper register. Shanice will be able to do this even into her 70s.
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon She strains; compare what she did to a whistle that Mariah's done live and you'll see who strains or doesn't. When Shanice does her whistle tones she does them with a very high larynx, which in turn brings out that forced sound. You can even tell by the histrionics she does JUST to hit a whistle note that there's tension. Look at, /watch?v=qJMDb5xSzPw and go to 2:14 in the video and you'll see conveniently what I mean.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon Mariah may have bad habits, but she doesn't have to make her poo come out just to get a simple whistle. When Mariah does her whistle notes, there's a natural vibrato in them if they're held out, which is a sign of vocal freedom. Shanice's have no vibrato; go figure!
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer "Mariah may have BAD habits." In that case WHAT are you defending??? Please be composed when you DARE to reply to me. A whistle DOES NOT of have vibrato to be free - A singer does not put vibrato on every word when singing; vibrato is for effect and Shanice does in fact uses vibrato, hers just not as wobbly as MC's! If MC's whistles were sign of freedom, her voice wouldn't be in the gutter, thanks to her 'free' whistlings.
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon Your assumption about Mariah Carey's voice going in the gutter is a baseless claim. If you have evidence to back up your claim, provide any. I take it that since you haven't provided any opposing evidence to refute my argument of Shanice straining for her whistles, that you concede them. In addition, she has no vibrato in this SSB whistle at ALL. And Mariah's vibrato is not wobbly; it's a spinning vibrato, which is a natural occurrence of holding out a note with a RELAXED throat
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #1. I do not make assumptions, I state FACTS! It is common knowledge that MC's voice is WASTED! And IF you had not seen the signs you would not have acknowledged her BAD HABITS! How DUMB can you be? The evidence of Shanice NOT straining her voice lies in the FACT that she can STILL sing in the original key as she has recorded and performed in over 20 YEARS ago! There is no breaks in her voice. She DOES NOT have to rely on Playbacks or have to resort to LIPSYNCHING to sing live!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #1 - Celine Dion has been straining her voice for years to the point that she even had nodules, yet her voice is still in shape . LOL - "Common Knowledge"? You aren't citing any evidence for your claims to be factual; your argument doesn't hold up a candle to what I'm saying. So if you want to talk, show evidence. Otherwise, take your Shanice bias elsewhere. If you listened to a live Vision of Love performance, she goes from chest to whistle, therefore she has no breaks either.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon Further elaborating on your unquantified argument, Mariah does not lip sync. She has backup singers that sound just like her, and there are times when they take over certain parts because she doesn't feel up to it, but we're all human, and that doesn't make her any less of a great singer.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #C. Thank you for also confirming that there is NOTHING special about MC being that YOU have now stated that she has backup singers who "SOUND JUST LIKE HER." I will ask again, WHAT are you defending? You are WRONG again. MC stated in that interview that she would go about talking in a HIGH WHISPERY VOICE (not whistle, it's whispery) - To test how damaging that is I dare you to try and talk in a high whispery voice. That is how she went about abusing the False Cord to strain herself!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #C. Lol. That doesn't show anything about Mariah's voice. And backup singing is a lot like choir singing, so the different color voices combine to make a tone similar to Mariah's, so it's seamless. Mariah has a unique tone of voice; the fact that you can tell it's her is a dead giveaway of this fact, so don't pull that straw man bull on here and expect to get away with it. Shanice sounds like every other Black singer out there; the same, tired, overly brassy timbre.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #2. Where is the evidence that Shanice strains? Do you live in her chest and throat? In order for YOU to say Shanice strains you MUST be able to show beyond doubt that AS A RESULT OF! The act of straining brings about consequences i.e. hoarseness, breaks, voice depletion etc. Please identify which of these consequences is shown by Shanice? MC most popular version of the anthem was lipsynched. There are videos on my channel that highlight some of her drawbacks etc., so STOP trippin'.
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #2. Ultimate proof you aren't reading my comments and are just rambling on. I posted in the previous comments a link to a video that shows Shanice straining JUST to hit a whistle note in Alejandro. And don't give me that "you're not her" bullshit; if you know anything AT ALL (obv., you don't,) about vocal production, you'll know that strain automatically transfers to the produced sound. And look at her face in this video and the other one and tell me it's effortless. I DARE you.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #C (cont.) You're ridiculous; according to your logic, phonation in an airy head voice is falsetto simply because it's airy. Her whistle register by trademark is airy, and in some instances, less airy than other times. And an airy quality is mostly due to; wait... oh yes! Vocal nodules! Silly me, how could I miss that! Again, prove she uses the false cord function or shut up with that; you bring that up in all your arguments, but they're unfounded.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #2. If MC was whistling with a relaxed [spinning] vibrato and it being a [natural] occurrence, her voice would NOT be in the GUTTER that it is in! Shanice employs what is referred to as a RESTRAINED vibrato, not one that sounds forced ala MC! To be objective one has to rely on FACTS. Your rants are devoid of any credibility. Take NOTE that MC's mother was NEVER an accomplished opera singer, neither is there ANY proof that she trained MC -
If did was a POOR job!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #1 (cont.) You're an idiot. Mariah stated in an interview that when she was young she would TALK in whistle register, and her mom put her on the piano to figure out her range, and from there taught her classical technique. Even Patricia Carey, her mother, stated this too. Honestly; if you want to make up shit, you can do it about Shanice. She has enough delusional fans like you to back whatever hyperbole you make of her. And Mariah has en even vibrato; show proof of it 'forced'
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon You need to stop taking my arguments out of context if you're going to "dare" to respond to me. Just because I admitted that Mariah Carey has some bad habits doesn't make her ENTIRE method of sound production bad. And you aren't going to have vibrato on every word you sing, but when you hold out a note, vibrato is a natural oscillation of your cords when using good technique, and I've never heard Shanice pull off a whistle with a non-artificial vibrato.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer What you have OR never heard is not my concern, my point is that YOU are out of order to speak so condescendingly about a genuine talent, even when admitting the other who you favor DOES have bad habits! I don't recall a quantity on MC's bad habit, so your 'Some' is a little too LATE! Minnie, Jean Carne and those whose genre is straight opera DON'T go about (at all times) putting vibrato on all their long notes. Shanice was PROPERLY trained NOT MC , so she KNOWS best! Take note!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon I'm not being condescending and I wasn't insulting Shanice. Honestly, if you have the little fanboy/fangirl card so far stuck up your ass that you can't realize I'm just bringing about an objective comment on Shanice's technique without making this a fan war, then I'm done with you.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #3. On the other hand Seth Riggs is a trained Opera performer and have developed the SLS technique that is praised by Barbra, Stevie Wonder etc. Shanice was trained by such a great NOT by listening to the radio and trying to MIMIC Minnie as MC did as a child. MC's mom told her she would RUIN her voice by har 'BAD HABITS' i.e. abusing the False Cord to sing high notes and that is NOW the case being that she CAN'T even sing one song 100% live! Shanice DOES NOT have bad habits...
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #3. Seth Riggs didn't teach Barba or Stevie how to sing; they already had amazing voices. All Seth did was keep them these artists in check. And Speech-Level Singing isn't really looked up to as great technique in the singing community because it sees speech and singing as the same thing, when studies have shown that they are physicaly and psychologically different. Any credible bel canto (which is the ONLY technique to develop a powerful voice) teacher will tell you that.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #3. Just because I like to tear apart your bullshit and expose you for the biased fanboy/fangirl you are, I've noticed that this isn't the first video you've ragged on Mariah with no logical basis. The reason why her whistle register sounds like that is because she was born with vocal nodules. And if it was really a false cord function, she would not be able to transition to it from chest (Vision of Love) or even form clear words in it. Here, get a clue: /watch?v=oIjD1mBWipI
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #F. The reason why Shanice doesn't record much is because 1. She has a life outside singing. 2. Her songs are not FADS and are able to stand up to time. 3. Shanice grew up in front of the camera so she isn't frighten for spotlight. If Shanice was horrible YOU would not be here ranting. MC is horrible and that is why I DO NOT go onto her vids. Wake UP from your fantasy. MC was not born with nodules HER strain attempts trying to mimic Minnie has caused her Nodules. You're ignorant.
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
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ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #F (cont.) You're taking this out of context, AGAIN. I'm not saying Shanice is horrible; I'm talking about vocal technique, and you go on talking about artistry, which has nothing to do with this. I don't have a fantasy, because I can acknowledge any bad habits that Mariah has. And you have no proof to say otherwise that she was not born with nodules; she claimed it herself, and so did her doctor. My cousin was born with vocal nodules; it's completely possible, just like
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #7. Since MC is said to be BLACK also, I take it then that she too is just like all other Black singers? Pulling the Race Card ONLY shows how desperately STUPID you are. At the end of the day I CAN distinguish Shanice voice from her Backups - YOU have said MC sounds like her Backups, so showing your RACISM will NOT distract from that! Ella Fitzgerald, Aretha, Sarah Vaughn etc are all BLACK! Does your opinion justify WHY Black singers are historically seen as better singers?
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #7. I'm not racist, you oversensitive prick. I'm black too, and I'm not saying black singers are mediocre; my favorite genres are dominated by them. All I was saying is that her sound is not distinct unless you're a hardcore fan enough to distinguish her sound. It's too easily reproducible. What is your point on back-ups? How many people do you actually know that can match Mariah Carey's timbre? Believe me, they don't grow on trees, so your point is at best moot. :)
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #F. My essential point is saying her technique is based on the False Cord and that is shown in her AIRY singing! Great singing is CLEAR and free NOT breathy! No doctor says ANYTHING about MC born with nodules - Unless he's a QUACK! Go do some research and STOP wasting precious time! Don't be ridiculous. Everyone with a good voice can sing, BUT not necessarily CORRECTLY - If Barbra and others were secured in their ability they would not have the need to get training!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon Alright; after watching the videos you spoke of, I can say that I concede the point on Mariah Carey's whistle register being sub par in comparison to Shanice's and Minnie's, as my arguments were based on the trentnjones video, so I thank you for opening my eyes up to the bias that I was being exposed to as well. However, I don't concede the point of her being a horrible singer (based on what I've seen, she is bad at technique, so no dispute there,) as that is a matter of opinion.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #G. Not all the singers Seth trained do Pop. His list include Rock, Country, Opera etc. So once AGAIN do some research! NOT because you are Black means you CAN'T be racist (prejudice) against your own; in fact you are the WORST kind! You are in NO position to speak about distinctiveness BECAUSE you have already said that MC and her Backups sing alike! Shanice has her own style and tone and I can very well pick her from Randy, Nancy, Deborah, Tamia, Monica, Brandy, 'MC' WH!!!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon And to clarify, my point on SLS is that it doesn't give completely novice singers a base to work on powerful and rich tones with. SLS does teach about relaxing into your notes rather than push, however it doesn't stress breathing and support, despite them being very fundamental to the powerful singing that those people that you mentioned do. So if anything, I believe Shanice had vocal chops and all Seth did was ensure that her voice would not tear down due to bad technique.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon (cont.) And to clarify, once more, I am not prejudice against my own kind. All of my favorite musical artists are black or sing in genres dominated by black people. Perhaps I was abrasive in that point and I meant to say that their timbres are very similar, and not as vastly distinct as for example, Ella Fitzgerald. But yeah. I concede your points. :)
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer It was a pleasure conversing with a MATURE individual...I humbly accept your concession. Regards.
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon I wasn't as mature as I could have been, so I apologize for that. But thank you for the intelligent discussion, however. :)
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #8. I don't care what you label Shanice as. Your role is to SHOW evidence! Without evidence it is simply an opinion! You are the one who needs to present evidence that MC was born with nodules -Which is IMPOSSIBLE BECASUE SHE WASN'T! In fact my RESEARCH is yet to find any report of children being born with nodules - The operative word seen is DEVELOP, because that is how nodules come about UNLESS the child was born with some rare disease that affects the cords: you are LOONY!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #8. Even if I can't prove it, so what? You still haven't proved that she developed nodules as a result of "mimicing Minnie," so you shouldn't be tooting your horn, because you have no leg to stand on either. And mutations like these can happen; just like you can be born with one eye missing, you can be born with nodules. Just the way things work. And it's not impossible unless proven.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #H. What is there for me to prove OTHER THAN the fact she testified in an interview back in the 90s that she went about mimicking Minnie and her method of doing so was CLEAR vocal abuse - Your denial doesn't change the fact that her voice is GONE and it's NOT because of her age OR her years of 'singing'! Show me scientific evidence that says babies born with nodules (outside of RARE circumstances with peculiarities), then I will consider your FLAWED points. Shanice is BETTER, get it!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #F (cont.) being born with vocal cysts is. So your little 'mimic Minnie' situation is also bogus. And really, are you hearing yourself? You don't even FOLLOW Mariah to be voicing an opinion on her; I follow both artists, therefore my opinion is guaranteed to be less biased than yours.
Either way, I'm done with you; you're so up in your bias about Shanice that you can't even see around it. If you want to claim "victory," go ahead; you'll still be wrong for years to come. Bye.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon And take note that Mariah Carey's mother was an Opera singer and was trained by HER. See? You know little to nothing about Mariah but want to pretend like you know everything. Shanice has bad habits just like Mariah does; but that doesn't mean that all their bad habits outweigh their singing. This is all just technical stuff; I'm not dissing anyone here. And I'm not redeeming my previous Mariah's bad habit statement because I don't need to; I wasn't being a hypocrite.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #4. The ONLY 'bad habit' Shanice has and that is she doesn't record much! Please do not insult Jazz by using it in the same sentence with MC, because MC doesn't have the chops to take on Jazz, Broadway or anything that demands TRUE vocalization. The fact of the matter is that Shanice is the one with the BETTER technique which is why she can STILL stand and deliver WITHOUT studio enhancements!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon Lol; insulting Jazz? Grow up and toss your genre elitism aside. Mariah's low chest belts demolish even Christina Aguilera's belts. Mariah Carey doesn't have a studio voice; again, you're talking out of your ass. Look at the Emotions live performance at MTV VMAs at 1991 and tell me that she sounds different in the studio. Look at her single, 'Oh Santa!'; even Charice, who is a powerhouse, admitted on a Billboard interview that she couldn't sing the song b/c it was too much.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #A. Celine's voice "still in shape" is questionable. It is reported that in later years she is forced to also employ the use of playbacks. I have also come across recent 'live' performances of hers and I am in a [safe] position to say her voice no longer has the strength it once had! Bear in mind YOU are YET to say anything, so I am puzzled as to WHY you continue claiming substance??? If you are going to speak to anybody re Shanice, please point to Patti, Gladys, Barbra etc.
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #A: I don't need to prove anything to you; I wasn't the one making comparisons or assumptions; you were. The burden of proof is on YOU. All I was doing was setting the record straight, which was the fact that she strains, and despite me showing you evidence, you want to delude yourself into claiming otherwise. 'Reported' nothing; again, show videos and comparisons and THEN maybe I won't think you're full of shit.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon The reason why Shanice doesn't record much is because she's not as great as you're exaggerating! Her Bb5's are horrible. She strains; I don't care how much you want to deny it. If you strain on the bottom of your range, then you're going to strain for every note in between. Just because you had training doesn't mean you're suddenly unable to do bad habits. You seem to have trouble grasping this.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #B. I am on a Shanice Wilson's video and you DARE telling me to go somewhere else? Why don't YOU take your baseless rants re MC to her videos? Once AGAIN you have confirmed my correctness, because MC does BREAK by going from Chest to whistle - she forgets the connecting MIDDLE, as such she jumps as noted by Eric Arceneuax (vocal coach) from Chest to her DISCONNECTED False Cord abused whistles! There are PLENTY of videos here on You Tube CONFIRMING MC's lipsynching, so STOP trippin'!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #B. The only way you can prove they're lip syncing is if you suddenly turn off the microphone equipment and they're still not singing. Glitter has proved that she is a bad lip syncer by definition, so if she was lip syncing, people would immediately notice. And in addition, you can't prove shit with mediocre quality cameras whose audio and video frames are not going at the same exact rate. You'd have to be there for yourself to also truly notice.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #B (cont.) Just because it is a Shanice video doesn't mean you being biased is OK; it's not. And second of all, you can't mix in your whistle register; it's impossible, just like singing words under a "false cord function" is. Your false cord claim is unfounded and completely bogus, and Eric Arceneaux never stated that Mariah used the false cord function at all. And it's connected: /watch?v=b-eVRX7Dpw0 - Again, shut up; you're clueless.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #1. I at no time made comparisons OR assumptions that justify your intrusion. NO! The burden of proof is on YOU to disprove the FACT that MC has abused her voice by improper technique! Bear in mind FACTS cannot change and in that vein I will ask that you go onto some of MC's vids and read the comments from her faithful lambs and see how much they WAIL about her voice NO LONGER the same. This has brought about the AGE and MANY years of performing theories - ALL RUBBISH!!!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #1. You claimed that Mariah Carey strains her voice. I don't need to prove or disprove anything; you're the one who needs to prove it, because you made the assumption. Learn how to argue. I claimed that Shanice strains, and I provided video evidence for you to copy and paste into your browser, but in your bias, you ignored it, so don't blame me for your illiteracy.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #1 (cont.) Lol. Look at Mariah's recent performances; look at her performance at Disney and you'll see she can still belt it out like no other. And you're clueless; the voice continues to change as we age; it's not something that is always set in stone. It's not the quality of her voice that has changed oh so drastically. It's the style and the records she's been producing that have changed drastically.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #A. I don't make claims, I STATE facts. Since you insist on seeing videos that highlight MC's POOR vocalizing AND lipsynching, here are some links: /watch?v=GXn9eiWKIrY and /watch?v=lOCKsjD3MM8&NR=1 and
/watch?v=2WPyFwONPac&feature=related and /watch?v=xau8g9FyxzU&feature=channel_video_title and /watch?v=9Ac2PhWvtK4 and /watch?v=OcUG8VpXLLI&feature=related.
I just realized that you DARED to use a video by trentnjones as proof that Shanice strains - ARE YOU SERIOUS?!!!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #B. That faulty video by trentnjones was PROPERLY addressed by a well researched AND presented video by seetdeh: /watch?v=XFlJfsL-VVM&feature=channel_video_title
I suggest you READ the notes carefully in this video, so you don't waste my time responding! In addition, MC's recent performances were DUBBED - they were NOT fully live. In fact I came across the dubbed version of her O Holy Night and it was HORRENDOUS with all the flat notes and breaks! You have MUCH to learn!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #D. As a result of such abuse for which her mother WARNED her, she quickly developed NODULES! It is one thing to sing BUT it's another thing to sing CORRECTLY! That's the gift Seth gave to Barbra, Stevie AND Shanice! So much so Barbra and Stevie recommended others to him and Stevie even stopped in the middle of his concert to thank Seth, because he could feel the DIFFERENCE! Do NOT speak on matters that are outside your scope. SLS is highly praised and suits many genres!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #D. She was born with nodules, just like Judy Garland was, and Mariah's had to sing through them as a handicap, similar to how David Archuleta has one vocal cord paralyzed. Find me a report where her mother 'warned her' of singing whistle tones and developing nodules as a result; you keep making shit up, AGAIN, with no evidence.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #3. You accepting the FACT that MC lipsynchs- even her whistles, is YOUR choice! So you are now expert on the false cord? Well as shown on one of my FAVORITE vids, a REAL expert in voice (David L. Jones) confirms that MC suffers from the False Cord effect, so you and your immaturity are just time wasters. However, Eric did say SHANICE and MINNIE use the correct HEALTHY approach and went on to advise others to use them as EXAMPLES! So do not accuse me of things I did not say.
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon I'm not an expert, but I know enough about it to know your theory is bullshit and doesn't apply to Mariah. She doesn't "suffer" from false chord; she suffers from nodules; two completely different things. He can be a vocal coach all he wants, but he's not an ENT to know how her nodules affect her sound. And Eric's argument is that Mariah's voice is disconnected; this video proves otherwise: /watch?v=b-eVRX7Dpw0 - And I've already talked about Shanice; Minnie has great technique.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #C. That video you point me to as proof that Shanice strains TELLS how ignorant you are of what STRAINING is! PLEASE do not talk about facial expression because that doesn’t say whether one is straining. You DON'T sing with your face, you sing using inner body support. Patti Labelle, Jennifer Holliday etc don't give a damn about how they look when singing and after DECADES in the business, their voices are still in top shape! That video piecing MC's notes DOES NOT prove connectivity!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #4. I DID NOT say anything about "mix in your whistle" My point speaks to her INABILITY to go from lower-middle-upper register without breaking; as Eric pointed out, she JUMPS from chest straight into whistle. The FACT that her whistles are plagued by a breathy overtone is also sign of BAD PRACTICE! So do not come with that CRAP about airiness/breathy is her trademark - YES, resulting from the effect of the FALSE CORD abuse! Any trained voice coach will tell you airiness is BAD!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #4. I never said anything about a trademark sound; in fact, I was actually going to repeat what you still can't get through your head: her nodules. Here, in case you missed it in the comment I posted just now: /watch?v=b-eVRX7Dpw0 - again, another baseless argument of yours is destroyed! This proves that she is connected; and jumping from one register to the next is not a break in the voice. Chest to head isn't a break; it's a transition singers NEED to sort out, which MC has done
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #D. I'm well aware that the voice does change with age, but voice change AND voice depletion are different things! You are greatly naive for using GREAT singing as proof that Shanice strains! MC in that link re Emotions is a good example of straining. She had to take long break to whistle and when she did, it was weak, and the ending break unevenly. NEVER has Shanice shown such lack of control of her ability! So this is your tutorial /watch?v=XFlJfsL-VVM&feature=channel_video_title
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #D (cont.) SLS ONLY suits light singing styles, nothing heavy like rock or metal, or even Broadway. For that, classical techniques are the way to go. And again, Seth didn't teach Barbra, Stevie and Shanice how to sing. They ALREADY knew; he just taught them about how to improve their phonation. If you aren't a belter, SLS isn't going to make you one. SLS singers have thin and weak voices and lack that depth and thickness of someone with a forward placement.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #5. WHY do you need to LIE to make a point? Judy Garland did not born with nodules! You are definitely one of the CRAZIES! Please read with understanding. At no time I said MC was warned about whistling - She was warned about TALKING in a high whispery voice, how SLOW can you be! She suppressed her cord in order to train it to produce the whistles as such she developed nodules - She was NOT correctly trained to go that high as Shanice and Debelah were, and Opera Sopranos.
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #5. That high whispery voice of hers is her whistle, dumbass, therefore your point was essentially saying to not whistle, because even YOU said yourself that her whistle is airy. And until you provide evidence that Mariah was not born with nodules, then anything you say about the quality of her whistle register is bogus. You're not going to contradict what a qualified ENT himself stated about her cords without scientific evidence to back your point up.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #E. The 'lol' is all yours! There's nothing great about Emotions live or recorded, especially being that it is an example of her plagiarism! In addition there's a video on You Tube that shows MC giving an AWFUL performance of that song outside the US. So if it's the whistles you're impressed with, those were flat and weak. On thing about Shanice is CONSISTENCY and her live always outdo her records - that's how great she is! Charice is Asian and they are known for their modesty!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #E. You're being inconsiderate. People have on and off days; and Mariah, just like many vocalists, needs rest in order for her vocals to be in top shape, which is something that even her doctor (as she stated in the video, AGAIN,) stated is important for her to even be able to reach those high notes. She has an amazing overall voice, and there are no studio tricks.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #6. Once again you are WRONG! Here are a list of singers trained by Seth: Stevie Wonder, Josh Groban Michael Jackson Natalie Cole Tina Turner Barbra Streisand SHANICE etc etc. Aren't these people from various genres? In fact when Michael Bolton was to make his Classical record he went to Seth for help! SLS is far reaching! Off day is Shanice going flat on that 5 second whistle in O Holy Night. MC on the other hand is simply a POOR singer as she has had TOO MANY consistent offs!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #6. You are missing the point; all of these singers sing Pop, R&B or Soul styles, which are generally softly sung genres. And in addition, all of these singers already KNEW how to sing or had singing chops to begin with. Barbra stopped taking singing lessons at one point too. Name someone who didn't know how to sing and Seth taught 'em; maybe THEN your point will be valid. All you're doing is buying into their propaganda and thinking it's the holy grail of singing; it's not.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #E. You are definitely NO expert which is why you are to remain QUIET and listen to those of us who are in the KNOW! I at no time said MC suffers from false cord, I said she ABUSES False Cord and suffers nodules AS A RESULT! Medical Research is able to conclude signs of nodules BEFORE having to do a scan; how crazy can you be? YES you did say airy is her trademark, so keep your views under wrap! MC doesn't sing whispery, she sings BREATHY and voice specialist confirms that it's BAD!
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #E (cont.) Oh, and by the way, I doubt that any Asian that enters over 70 singing contests is at all 'modest' about her vocal ability. Especially one that makes some over the top and exaggerated hand gestures when she can sing the notes without all of the histrionics. Think about that. ;)
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@ItsFaltzer #9. Being MODEST and AMBITIOUS are not equal, so having entered 100 contest DOESN'T make one any less modest! Being that MC is also guilty of unnecessary hand gestures, I take it she too is immodest? MC was the one in that interview admits to have been influenced by Minnie and said how she would go about trying to sing as high as Minnie. It is to do that, she came up with the brilliant idea to go around her house talking in a high whispery voice - Get it, RACIST?
Kumtekmeon 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon #9. Singing is a psychological and physical activity, and it has been shown that left brain activity (which influences singing,) can be affected by things such as moving your left hand and whatnot. And unless you define, "unnecessary," objectively then you have no argument for whether her hand gestures are or aren't useful to her. But you don't see her stomping the floor or trying to pop her body to a syncopated beat every time. Fine line between the two of them.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
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@Kumtekmeon #9. And like that, I'm done talking with you. Don't waste your time responding.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@Kumtekmeon Mariah doesn't abuse vibrato either; she uses it sparingly, but it's a bit ridiculous to criticize her use of vibrato when she sings in a genre whose vocal stylings revolve around vibrato, riffing and all that Jazz :) - And it's funny that you mention Operatic singing too, because it is used so much in that genre of music that composers have had to explicitly write in their piece to use no vibrato, and its become a rule that it should not be used at all in Renaissance Era literature.
ItsFaltzer 3 months ago
@iCharlie94 You are more STUPID than anyone could imagine - Deleting your absurd comments and bragging about it, is like a criminal giving his personal details to his victim.
Kumtekmeon 9 months ago
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iCharlie94 9 months ago
@Kumtekmeon How if there deleted? LOL!
iCharlie94 9 months ago
Does anyone remember her singing this at MTV's Rock n Jock back in 92 or 93? That is still my favorite version of the national anthem EVER! Wish I could find it :/
Dawnina77 10 months ago
@Dawnina77 It was posted ephemerally on You Tube around two years ago, along with some other of her great 90s performances, BUT the uploader's account was closed shortly after for copyright breaches. It pisses me that most of Shanice's LIVE performances are not available on the internet.
Kumtekmeon 10 months ago
@Kumtekmeon What a bummer! Such a great performance, when I was 13 I recorded it and watched it everyday...it's to bad they always stifle the good music.
Dawnina77 10 months ago
@Dawnina77 I know the feeling...I'm still here hoping to see her performance of 'Just A Game' @Apollo from back in the 80s.
Kumtekmeon 10 months ago
@britrob24 Only MC's skanks praise her 'breathy whistles', because EVERY decent voice coach knows that a breathy singing/whistling is UNHEALTHY! A sign of the abuse of the false cord! No wonder her full voice has gone with The Wind...So Cold!
Kumtekmeon 11 months ago
@Kumtekmeon hahaha the same boring defense...:WAA
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
LOL "asthmatic wheezing" it's just breathier that's all.
But I always hated that too, it's cool and all, but sounds so dry... but people who can't sing think things like that are the BEST thing in the world cuz they don't know any better.
britrob24 11 months ago
OKAY MARIAH CAREY STANS I AM ONE OF THEM LIKE TRULY AM BUT YALL NEED TO STOPPP WITH THE HATING SHANICE IS WONDERFULLLL HAVE YOU HEARD THE SONG "TAKE CARE OF U"?? I DONT THINK SO, SO STOPP WITH THE HATING AND GO HATE ON PPL WHO DONT HAVE TALENT SMH.
GUGU2101 11 months ago
i LOVED the way she said proof lmaoo
AdmireTHISbeauty 1 year ago
she song this better than Mariah and beyonce and who ever else.
elmerthugg 1 year ago 5
@elmerthugg You cut it deep thugg. Shanice is the best, those bitches can't keep up.
betwixgirl 1 year ago
@elmerthugg yeah..but except that shriek
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko It's better Shanice shriek than making that AWFULLY unhealthy ASTHMATIC wheeze that she does on her cover of the anthem...
Kumtekmeon 11 months ago
@Kumtekmeon lol...your sentence structure cracked me up ooops
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko Not as much as MC's ASTHMATIC WHEEZING...So unhealthy and ugly!
Kumtekmeon 11 months ago
@Kumtekmeon haha once again: don't dare admit her poor grammar and sentence structure and once again: showcases of her mastery at diverging topics :waaa
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko Your failing is that you continue to PROVE how dumb you are. If you did have an ounce of sense you would've kept your mouth shut, but ONCE AGAIN you have slapped yourself. Get a reality check!!! Your insistence to correct me testifies that YOU are well aware that MC is the one with the UNHEALTHY whistles, AND as such my statement COULD NOT be directed towards Shanice. Thanks for your CONFESSION. I am always ahead, don't forget it!
Kumtekmeon 11 months ago
@Kumtekmeon haha...you really suck at reasoning and relating! you must have flanked in your english 101 class haha...what's the correlation between you feeling insecure to admit your error and me realizing MC's whistles? haha oh is it what you call something that testifies? LMAO...oh yeah you are always ahead with your superficially thinking brain..oops
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko You personify MADNESS! I responded to a comment you made about 'shriek', what does that have to do with 'sentence structure'? The FACT is you are a slow learner. You are the one straying by obsessing over structure when the issue is about whistling. Thank you for stupidly SUPPORTING my point. The only thing left is for you to say directly, ''MC's whistles are asthmatic wheezes.'' Next time DON'T stray from topic.
Kumtekmeon 11 months ago
@Kumtekmeon lol..you are the only straying from the topic all the time. lol..this is obviously a 'shriek', which is painful to hear... and her whistles just can't be ascended directly...lol..haha so? after all, your so-called MC's whistles got that name due to your personal distaste..haha so talking with a person like you who is not capable of having a dialogue is just like listening to her shriek...lmao oops
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko You wouldn't know what is a topic even if you were given a HEADLINE! I can assure you that this is not a 'shriek' BUT a strong and clear connected whistle that MC cannot DO! However, MC 's whistle (as demonstrated on her cover of the anthem) is an asthmatic wheeze! Don't talk dirt about Shanice when you DON'T know her work, at least ALL that I say about MC is SPOT ON! In addition, I am dispassionate about MC; I ONLY speak FACTS! Go and study your subject before responding.
Kumtekmeon 11 months ago
@Kumtekmeon well, when a person's feeling, which is being dispassionate in your case, can intervene and make up so-called facts! so when you said 'facts', they should be 'subjective'. but in your case, it absolutely not. haha you should be the one who should know what 'facts' basically mean FAIL
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko Maybe I will take you seriously AFTER you refute my points adequately. Saying something isn't factual DOESN'T make it so. Why don't you stop dancing around your grave and just jump in?
Kumtekmeon 11 months ago
@Kumtekmeon lol it's already enough. i have nothing to say remotely (shall i say enlighten) a weirdo like you. At least, I am not as malicious as like you, who wants people to DIE when she herself knows she is losing..that comment reflects a lot your sinfulness..haha GODDESS oops
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko ''I have nothing say;'' This quote fittingly describes you, as you are YET to say anything of worth. Let me teach you what is FACT! 'Malicious' is your intemperate attacks on Shanice ON HER VIDEOS. There is no evidence of me belittling or falsely accusing MC on or off her videos, BUT your presence here confirms that YOU are the one being malicious. In closing, learn to interpret: to jump into one's grave is to get it over with - GET TO THE POINT and stop wasting time.
Kumtekmeon 11 months ago
@Kumtekmeon same goes for you. You constantly accused MC of not being talentless in a way that sales and fame don't account for talents and expressing your distaste on her and of course, belittling and degrading her as if she has 0 talent. (that's not true, so it's legitimate that you did accuse, have been still)...FAIL..."get over it' ? well, we are not into so-called london lame slang..so just enjoy yourself with those idiotic stuff...oops
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko Excusing your error, I will BOLDLY say that I at no time ever said MC is talentless! What I have maintained is that Shanice is BETTER. Please do not misquote me when I said Fame doesn't equate talent. This doesn't mean a famous person cannot be talented, it simply means that a talentless OR poorly talented person can attain super-stardom. Paris Hilton, Kim Kardashian etc. Maybe IF you paid attention to what you read you would've avoided embarrassing yourself; too late I see.
Kumtekmeon 11 months ago
@Kumtekmeon oh really? then why are you still quoting with that freaking equation whenever you defend your point? now again, u said 'it simply means that a TALENTLESS or POORLY talented person can attain super-stardom' and basically, the fact that you use that quote to defend your point implies that you WANT to put MC into that category..please..don't be rambling
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko I do so because it is FACTUAL! Unless you are contesting that all famous persons like those mentioned are talented, and persons like Debelah Morgan, Linda Lewis etc who have talents BUT whose names are not household names are NOT talented? What are you saying? When I use my reference in MC's case it is always used to counter the poor attempt to link her fame DIRECTLY to her 'talent'. In that case MC's fans shouldn't get upset if I say Britney is just as talented as MC.
Kumtekmeon 11 months ago
@Kumtekmeon again? so-called factual points? but the thing is your equation is just a generalization ..it doesn't account to every single artist. britney and madonna are famous yet no real talents in terms of voice. whitney and celine are famous and their voices are legendary. yeah.debelah morgan and even some of the idol winner are underrated yet their voices are great. there are also many singers out there who are not famous coz their voices are just plain. so.what's your point?
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko My point is that you are SLOW! In your comment you have agreed that NOT all famous persons are talented AND that there are some great talents who are NOT famous. Therefore, is it a lie that ''Fame does not equate talent?'' If the answer is yes, YOU need to say why Rihanna is famous and Debelah isn't. Why MC 's fans so slow when it comes on to understanding simple logic? You are wasting time. A toddler can understand my point.
Kumtekmeon 11 months ago
@Kumtekmeon haha FAIL again..i used all those examples to point out your superficial GENERALIZATION..now who is being slow to get the point? haha...so you think that equation is true for everyone? oops..i have already pointed out some of the exceptions in my previous comment, but seems like you don't get it haha...may be a woman with a toddler's brain..:waa
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko It is such a pity when you create a username that you don't get a new mental state. You are STILL dumb! Those examples SUPPORT my point that fame DOES NOT equate talent. There are other variables existing, as such my point STANDS and your poor attempt to distract is a waste of effort! MC fans are dumb and that is a perfect example of generalization; one that is accurate! Nothing is superficial or shallow about my FACTS, but your rants are so superfluous, GET a life!
Kumtekmeon 11 months ago
@Kumtekmeon lol Miss Judge: please, if those examples support your point, what would you say for beyonce, whitney and celine? have you ever heard of them? you still can't get it. your equation accounts for only generalization. there have been so many great artists that have refuted your so-called generalized equation, invented by YOU. so uhm, you must have flanked in english essays coz u tend to generalize a lot..oops
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko WOW! You're super-dumb!!! Have you overlooked what I said about ''OTHER VARIABLES?'' Therefore, whether you believe Beyonce, WH or Celine are talented that's NOT the point, because the FACT is, their fame is NOT [solely] based on their talents, in that case Phyllis Hyman, Teena Marie, Angela Winbush would be super-famous! Talent DOES NOT guarantee fame, if that was the case Shanice would've been doing the super bowl instead of Christina wrecking it! Other FACTORS at play!
Kumtekmeon 11 months ago
@Kumtekmeon other? again? to what extend do u wanna mean by other? u always generalize things..haha...ofcoz, when all those women first came out, it's their talents that bring them to fame..omg..you are so retarded..just can't get it? of coz..again the generalized your equation 'talent doesn't guarantee fame' is also not true for every one..but it's just unfortunate that your shanice was in the exception group for that..i can't do anything for that..so stop lecturing as if u r a know-it-all
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko If you can't understand what OTHER factors mean in this case, you have NO grounds on which to continue. If you consider Celine to be talented, that talent existed long before she was famous. Fame and Talent ARE NOT the same. They are SEPARATE entities. One can be talented WITHOUT fame and another famous without 'talent'! What is so hard to understand? Why MC fans so DUMB? Since you DISAGREE that ''talent doesn't guarantee fame,'' EXPLAIN why all talented persons not famous?
Kumtekmeon 11 months ago
@Kumtekmeon and let me quote what u said "one can be talented without fame and another famous with talent" yeah..it's true..but you think it applies to everyone? haha that's why i have to keep telling you that you tend to generalize too much...shit..i am not like you who always generalize..and i even had mentioned all the examples just so you can UNDERSTAND..haha now who is super duper DUMB? oopps
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko Are you that much of a LIAR? Do you know what is a quote? You OBVIOUSLY do not! In my LAST comment below, line 3 says, ''Fame and Talent ARE NOT the same. '' AND IN LINES 4-5, ''One can be talented WITHOUT fame and another famous without 'talent'!'' As I often suggest, CUT AND PASTE!!! So go and get your glasses and don't come to me with CRAP! Answer the question, ''EXPLAIN why all talented persons not famous?'' STOP changing the subject, it won't work.
Kumtekmeon 11 months ago
@Kumtekmeon well, so you think those sentences are so valid that it applies to every single artist? FAIL..epic one! oh, those talented persons, may be, don't have good luck to meet with the right music-industry producer or may be some of them would just prefer to SING rather than get famous like they are satisfied with their life as long as they are singing even in your daily life. haha...how u dare accuse me of changing the subject. coz u r the one who is much notorious for straying the topic!
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko Get off the carousel! Here you go AGAIN admitting to the FACT that other factors determine HOW Famous a singer becomes, as such being talented DOES NOT secure fame. And from what we have seen, a lot of those less talented have secured Fame. Therefore, my insistence that we DON'T equate talent with fame is justified. As I suspect, you will return to contradict yourself. A zebra cannot change its stripes, but may I suggest some paint?
Kumtekmeon 11 months ago
@Kumtekmeon carouse? haha you are the one creating that. oops...still you failed..you can't back up your generalized statement..it's funny how you think it applies to every one. justified? oops...no contradiction..ain't I right that it's not valid enough to be a fact? haha
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko Of course it applies to everyone. You need not worry about contradiction; MADNESS should be your concern.
Kumtekmeon 11 months ago
@Kumtekmeon epic FAIL ooops
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko I hope you know the expression 'oops' signifies the acknowledgement of a mistake on YOUR part.
Kumtekmeon 10 months ago
@Kumtekmeon oops
kelvinpyaeko 10 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko Don't bother, not everyone is able to learn in time.
Kumtekmeon 10 months ago
@Kumtekmeon just like u oops
kelvinpyaeko 10 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko It's always a treat to see a kitten trying to catch its tail.
Kumtekmeon 10 months ago
@Kumtekmeon and it's always a feast to me to see a pet in the maze of comprehension and arguments. so pitiful
kelvinpyaeko 10 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko Weren't you told NEVER to play with your food? Now that's pitiful.
Kumtekmeon 10 months ago
@Kumtekmeon don't you have someone to read you the instruction to get out of that maze and take you to mental wards or somewhere? oh..i am so sorry
kelvinpyaeko 10 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko I can't get lost in what I HAVE constructed. You need to worry about finding an oasis in that desert I left you.
Kumtekmeon 10 months ago
@Kumtekmeon you might not be lost, but perhaps couldn't function things at all as you have been mentally broken piece of brainless human. i am glad you left the dessert. now i suggest you go to mental ward and leave as a human with the big deal brain.
kelvinpyaeko 10 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko Your last comment CONFIRMS that you've being too long in the desert; drinking sand is NEVER an option.
Kumtekmeon 10 months ago
@Kumtekmeon and your comment reflects the FACT that you haven't bee treated properly in the mental ward yet oops
kelvinpyaeko 10 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko Well at least you have hope for me to say 'YET', but for you there is NONE.
Kumtekmeon 10 months ago
@Kumtekmeon haha you can never come up with your own defense...oh now you admit you have not done so YET; good good...now Kumtekmeon is insisting that she has not gone to mental ward (don't try say 'i just said you have hope', cause as a matter of expression, it implies that truth) oops ...epic fail big big big
kelvinpyaeko 10 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko Typical you to grasp at straws. I must admit, you are YET to make sense.
Kumtekmeon 10 months ago
@Kumtekmeon and you are YET to see the TRUTH as well. ooops
kelvinpyaeko 10 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko Grow up for a change and allow me to enjoy Shanice without having to come across you. I know it is dull on the other side, BUT I didn't know it was that bad.
Kumtekmeon 10 months ago
@Kumtekmeon ok i understand. frankly, i came to know shanice on all those comparison videos, but now that i tasted her vocal prowess, i admit that i love her voice and some of her songs and covers. it's just that you are sometimes acting melodramatically. ok enough said..anyway, i hope u don't get upset by me and wish u and shanice best of luck. XD
kelvinpyaeko 10 months ago
@kelvinpyaeko No prob, I ENJOY a good play of back and forth.
Kumtekmeon 10 months ago
she sings th rocket's "big" glare lol damn
britttany88 1 year ago
Lipsync..lol Wow! she's to Good to do that..Sorry. and she sung it Again the same way and it's better then this one. Better try Agian..lol
jetit 1 year ago
PROO-OOO-OOOOOF *DEAD*
JonathanGardnerTV 1 year ago
I love the whistle tone, yes!!! Shanice you are the bomb.
Ashabobo 1 year ago
One of the best rendition of the National Anthem....by FAR!!!!!!
Alani0203 1 year ago 9
Is this the same lady who sang those crazy notes on the theme song for the sitcom with the character Brianna and her dad (I forget the name)?
okebaram 1 year ago
@okebaram, yes, it's the same lady, Shanice Wilson.
iriear 1 year ago
Shanice is so much better than Mariah. Shanice has the ability to take on any singer.
anohso 1 year ago 11
@anohso haha..only in your dream...oops
kelvinpyaeko 11 months ago
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iCharlie94 9 months ago
@iCharlie94 Who are those singers? Beyonce, Jlo, Rihanna, Britney, Christina, Monica, Fantasia? Let me know.
anohso 9 months ago
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iCharlie94 9 months ago
@iCharlie94 if talking about those 60s or 70s singers like say Aretha to Gladys they all have their own style, what makes Shanice a hot contender is that her voice is linked to the past but she still is able to adapt to todays contemporary style and she has an amazing voice. You can't hear songs like You Are You, Love Is The Gift and If I Were Your Woman and many others and deny her place.
anohso 9 months ago
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iCharlie94 9 months ago
@iCharlie94 I read your comments and I want to know who is it that is UP THERE that you think is vocally above Shanice? Every great singer is great for their own style and interpretation of music. Patti Labelle is great and so too is Chaka Khan, are they the same? NO! Shanice is right Up there in her own rights. You simply have an unwarranted bias against Shanice. Why don't you keep your Personal Opinion PERSONAL? One thing for sure NONE of the greats you might name can do as Shanice here.
Kumtekmeon 9 months ago
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iCharlie94 9 months ago
@iCharlie94 Dude? I am too grown not to know my stuff - 'Charice'? You can't even bring yourself to speak SHANICE's name! Child, I don't stir drama, I AM DRAMA! Did I say my position was personal? I don't express opinions, I state FACTS! MC and WH are vocally in the past, I DON'T have a Time Machine to take me back to the 90s, and even then they were overrated in comparison to Shanice. JHudson is ok, but let me know when she can turn water into wine. Child, I am at HOME, so YOU stay away.
Kumtekmeon 9 months ago
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iCharlie94 9 months ago
@iCharlie94 Accept it - YOU'VE BEEN CALLED OUT - Now go back into your hole!
Kumtekmeon 9 months ago
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iCharlie94 9 months ago
@iCharlie94 Work? Please DON'T insult intelligent people. Let me remind you, you have not said anything of consequence, so your STANDING is limited to the dunce corner. Fired up? Child, my fire is ALWAYS up! Once again, go back into your hole!
Kumtekmeon 9 months ago
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iCharlie94 9 months ago
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iCharlie94 9 months ago
shes good, BUT not a mariah .
iluvmylay 1 year ago
@iluvmylay, Shanice is DEFINITELY not a MC because Shanice can do MC BUT MC cant do Shanice!
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
i doubt MC would want to imitate Shanice .
Shanice's whistles arent as powerful and controlled as MC's anyhow . Thats why shes struggling as we speak .
iluvmylay 1 year ago
EVERYTHING MC does is an imitation of those before her, and Shanice is one of those before MC! You are also WAY off talking about Shanice's whistles aren't powerful or controlled as MC - All of MC's fans knows Shanice whistles are STRONGER and LONGER held than MC's! Shanice'S technique is ADVANCED - MC uses false cord while Shance uses the extension of her natural voice. That is why an UNTRAINED boy on youtube can do MC's tricks BUT CAN'T do Shanice's whistles! How then does that make MC better?
Kumtekmeon 1 year ago
no no no no no honey, MC is a product of Those Who inpsired her . Mc NEVER imitates, she has no need to when she is the best vocally . Shanice can not do the acrobat whistling like MC . Shanice's whistles do not sound angelic. they sound forced and strained . & as far as being 'advanced' Both MC & Shanice are obviously advanced regardless , so idk what you were implying by that .Trying to back up your comments by saying a boy can do "MC's tricks " doesnt prove your point . MC is overall, better
iluvmylay 1 year ago