Inside Story - Israeli Settlements - 25 Dec 07 - Pt 1

[TheTrueDavid]

jews are a bunch of blood sucking parasites. They should be kicked out of America for ruining our economy and using our country to fight their wars.

[vistavision2]

USA GTMO Military Commissions are a disaster because Bush 43 Admn pursued to circumvent LOAC through its bullshit "enemy prisoner of war [EPW} " detainee designation. Is there any other kind but enemy POW's?

"Detainee" sound familiar? It should its an Israeli euphemism for extra-judicial imprisonment.

Again what is the purpose fo LOAC if not to provision level playing field; protections to civilians, non-combatants, & combatants; and to FACILTATE peace through regulated warfare

[vistavision2]

If USA cannot try the GTMO detainees for 1929 or 1949 Geneva Convention violations then only Hague Conventions to work with because they do not meet the qualifications for Genocide Convention & Principles of Nuremberg violations

1929 Geneva" Art. 2. Prisoners of war are in the power of the hostile Government, but not of the individuals or formation which captured them. ... Measures of reprisal against them are forbidden

Where Bush43 Adm proposes the exact opposite of art 2

[vistavision2]

Vsrael, Answer your PM

Word "civilian" is a military term that equates with "Protected Person" but Niether ais combatant nor non-combatant

I-973 Geneva Article 49 defines importation of one's citizenry as War Crime & said person are EXCLUDED as protected persons: Therefore, Israeli settlers are NOT civilians but War Criminals & can be killed should they offer resistance

Its comparable international law context [plunder] to domestic "looter" who can be killed on shoot on sight

[vistavision2]

Vsrael. your 2nd Q

No, only adults are to be tried for War Crimes with minors being removed from their War Criminal Israeli parents who are mentally abusing thier own children by using them as human shields in the process of their WAR CRIMES of PLUNDER .

Do you propose that if parents engaged in crinial activityof systemically entering other p[eople's  homes to commit armed robbery of the occupants thrugh murder should NOT be prosectued because they have children with them?

[vistavision2]

Vsrael,

I a 13 year old or older child of the settler parents can ask such questions on War Crimes then that 14 year can distingquish between lawful & unlawful, e.g., War Crime, activity and should of his/her own accord goto the Israeli authorities and petition to be removed from their War Criminal parents home of either being appointed a Legal Guardian, placed in Foster Care. become a Ward of the State, or given Emancipation.

18 year birhtdate: That person is a WAR CRIMINAL

[Vrael473]

Ive read the Article 49 that you refer to and it is clear that Israel is in breach of each part. My next question then is, what are the penalties for failure to follow article 49. When i read it Article 49 did not state what the penalties are.

[vistavision2]

Vrael, International law is contractual law

Military Tribunals: Parties to the conflict may establish respective or Joint Military Commissions as in Nuremeberg & Tokyo Triibunals

War Crime Tribunals are conflcit specific; do NOT have appeals due to the fact that once adjurned are finito forever; penalty is what Commission determines

Penalty is usually death becuase a live prisoner may opt to pursue political, legal, or propaganda appeals-No one wants to deal with that

[vistavision2]

OR Parties may either prosecute through their respectibe civil jurisprudential system: IF, it has the legal authority to do so; Case Example- Saddam Tribunal or Norway's recently enacted laws.

OR the UN may establish a Tribunal under the the auspices of the Interanational Criminal Court (ICC) which is also conflict specific.

GENEVA War Crimes Tribunals MUST convene in the territory WHERE the person is captured, e.g., State where conflict happened.

USA GTMO is a disaster!!!

[vistavision2]

Their is physical cowardice and their is

ethical cowardice.

You, Vreal, manifest both types of cowardice.

Are you frontline soldier?

Or have you lost soldiers under your command in battle?

Ethcial cowards hide behind theoritical/ philosophical arguments draggin on for SIXTY YEARS because they wont accept the context head on.

RULE OF LAW, e.g., international law, is CLEAR vis-a-vis UNGA 181 context of chartered course for the States of Israel & Palestine

[vistavision2]

You do not understand "my idea" of ending the conflict?

It s imple, its called RULE OF LAW.

ENFORCE INTERNATIONAL LAW :

1 UN Chartered course of Chapter XII Article 80 Terms which are non-modifiable UNGA 181 envisaged two states of which BORDERS are demartcated in UNGA 181 Part II

2 UNSC 242 Modalities

3 War Crimes Tribunals to hold accountable  political/military leadership for LOAC violations of Geneva Conventions, Genocide Convention, and Principles of Nuremberg.

[vistavision2]

Know that Zionism is a recyled NAZI doctrine cloaked as Tribe of Israel Judaism.

I am Tribe of Judah:

Only anti-semites are Askenazim "Jews who hate SEMITIC Arabs/Palestinains; Ashkenazim are NOT even Semitic, [e.g., children of Abraham], but descendents of Japhet

Yes, I am Tribe of Judah & reject Jabotinsky zionists [Irgun/Stern/Likud].

I am100% defender of UNGA State of Israel AND UNGA 181 State of Palestine.

You cannot grasp my character because you reject human ethicity.

[vistavision2]

Personal opinion:

1 Any Palestinian that advocates that UNGA 181 is not internatinal law is the most stupid person on the planet and a collaborator with zionsits: Should be KILLED.

2 Preferable that humanity be exterminated than to acquiesece to zionist malevolence

3 Shall be NO PEACE without Israeel UNSC 242 compliance of vacating its presence pf War Criminal settlements & IDF from West Bank

3.1 Any Palestinian leader that proposes UNSC242 is non-applicable should be killed

[vistavision2]

PO

4 All Israel settelers are NOT civilians wihin context of Laws of Armed Conflict: Should be hunted down for Field War Crimes Tribunalswith lethal force authorized should they resist arrest.

5 EVERY IDF soldier captured, like Shalit, should be tried for War Crimes and if found guilty hung by his neck unitl he is dead!

6 FUCK Netanyahu that piece-of-shit is one of the principals in an assassination plot to kill President Obama

[Vrael473]

You were dropped on your head as a child werent you...

[vistavision2]

Your mother was fucked by the devil himself; thus your his offsrpring!!!

Yes, satans practice self-idoaltry and lack reasoning powers.

[Vrael473]

Im not sure if i should take that as a complement or not.

Thank you?

Either way your points on executing people and hanging soldiers is not exactly the example of compassion or tolerance. Which is what most world religions practice.

Your not a very good servant of God are you...

[vistavision2]

Vsreal472, Your speak of tolerance or compassion when Israelis are in systemic commission of CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY .

True Religions practice JURISPRUDENCE of equity of which I am Tribe of Judah and KNOW theprecepts of my religion which is NOT the malevolence practiced by you and Jabotinisky Likud Zionists.

[Vrael473]

Im 100 percent anti Israel. I also agree war crimes are commited daily, and i believe that many wrongs and injustices have been done to the palestinian people.

What i dont agree with is that people should be killed in retaliation for those crimes. They may or may not deserve death or imprisonment according to a trial that presents evidence to show intent and actions commited, but not whole sale slaughter of those who would be deemed enemies. Your making the same mistake they have made then.

[vistavision2]

Its a state of war and the penaltfy violations of Principles of Nuremberg, Principle VI., (c) Crimes Against Humanity is death.

Laws of Armed Conflict, Acts of Reprisals, do permit blanket bombings as WWII Dresedn Fire Bombings, 65 Days of Fire Bombing Japanese cities, and Nuclear attack on Hiroshima & Nagasaki 0140k & 80K killed] to FORCE COMPLIANCE with international law.

Japanese civilians had NOTHING do with their Emperor's acts.

sraeli settlers are 100% GUILTY of War Crimes

[Vrael473]

Yes but instead of you being thier judge, it is also part of the Principles of Nuremberg to see that they get a trial, death may be the penalty, i do not argue that but there is a process to be upheld regardless of convenience.

I dont think anyone here, that is of a higher calibre of morality and education could think that the bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki were justified and righteous. Anyone who thinks like that has lost thier humanity and the ability to judge the value of human life.

[vistavision2]

What part of that its a STATE OF WAR do you not understand?

LOAC Acts of reprisal's as Hiroshima & Nagasaki were effected to FORCE COMPLIANCE are necessary to bring about PEACE by forcing the aggressors to comply.

Save the theoritics of philosophy for the classroom: Naviette to conclude that tyrants, despots & demogogues like Hilter & Netanyahu shall be conply with LOAC voluntarily.

War has to be brought to end FIRST; then War Crimes Tribunals follow.

[vistavision2]

You thinking is ass backwards: Do you think the Israeli settlers shall conmply with LOAC voluntarily? 

If so they would NOT be pursuing their War Crimes of PLUNDER in the 1st place

Laws of Armed conflict were established to FACILITATE peace: The object of war is peace.

Not even the NAZI's employed their children like Israeli settlers do in their War Crimes & Crimes Against Humanity in occupied UNGA 181 Palestine Territory.

[Vrael473]

Im not sure which of us is being more unrealistic. Im going off of "philisophical" ideas coming from texts such as the art of war, and journals of generals during some of the more interesting times of history. When i say interesting i mean actions of wholesale slaughter were committed frequently and without thought. As a theme, the Art of War and these journals discuss using military force and violence as a failure on that general to be unable to use any other alternative other than aggression.

[vistavision2]

Nonviolence like the Jews at the hands of the NAZI's is what you propose for Palestinans.

Yoru a naivette and ignroance is self-evident.

Agression and violence are NOT synonomous.

Self-defense under occupation is NOT agression but exactly that of Self-defense.

Who is occypying what territory?

Are not Israel occupying UNGA 181 State of Palestine territory and plundering same and NOT Palestinians occupying UNGA 273 State of Israel: therefore, Israelis are the aggressors?

[vistavision2]

Are you in middle school where our hypocriosy is the most prelevant as a society?

We preach non-violence to middle schoolers but in fact we are the most violent society on planet earth resolving all issues from family , spousal, streets, to international relations with 100% violence.

60 &40 years of Palestinain human suffering but you preach non-violence in the face of Crimes Against Humanity.

Beware when they purpose to disarm you for they are planing genocide.

[Vrael473]

I think you underestimate what non violent opposition can achieve. You sound as if war to bring peace justifies any action to bring that peace. Has it ever occured to you that sometimes the price is to high. Machiavelli didnt even personaly believe that the end justfies the means. Yes he wrote it in the prince, but in other texts his logic told him otherwise.

Im not sure i understand what your idea of ending the israel palestine conflict entails. Could you explain? Running them to the sea?

[vistavision2]

Hey, What planet do you live in?

Do you know WHAT a State of War is?

If peace exists then there is no war; likewise, If war exists then the the object is peace.

War is war and peace is peace

"War to bring peace"  is an absurdiity.

WHAT t other object is there during war if not Peace?

Israelis like the NAZI's pursue war to PLUNDER and therefore they do not pursue peace bercasue Peace MANDATES that they honor UN Chartered course of UNSC 242 & UNG A181 Part II Borders.

You

[vistavision2]

What do you know of suffering repression [Jim Crowe] much less oppression [slavery] ; and God forbid Crimes Against Humanity as practised by WWII NAZI's & present Israelis?

Save the dram for your momma!

[mikinir2]

puck all the muslims in the world...go bumb yourself in a bus or something...thats all you know how to do..instead of fighting like men you to scared coz you lost before..so you bomb yourself in buses and kill kids...wow ..heroes..

[vistavision2]

Zionist premise

GEN 15:18" In the same day the LORD made a covenant with Abram, saying, UNTO thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:"

1 INCLUDES Ishmael, 1st-born;

2 Do Wonder- present areas inhabited by Ishmaelites, e.g., Arabs, in our era;

What is Judaism? : Deuteronomy 16:20 "Justice, and only Justice, you shall do pursue, that you may live and possess the land which the LORD your God is giving you."

[vistavision2]

GEN 17:11, 21 Covenant of Circumcision is predicated on Deutronomy 16:20

Moving the Landmark: Political persecution- home demolitions, farm destruction, torture, murder, deportations- with the object to plunder private/public lands through dispossession is NOT Judaism but MALEVOLENCE

Zionism is recycled National Socialism: Torah/Holy Bible expose zionsim as FALSE DOCTRINE

1Kings 12:16 disinherited Tribe [ten] of Israel from blessing of Messiah: Tribe of Judah sole inheritor.

[vistavision2]

Ezekiel 8:11-17 oral traditions of Talmud are in fact self-idolatry worship of Baal of Sion

Zionism is self-same worship of Baal's Sion: Mt Hermon also called Jebel esh Sheikh.

Tribe of Judah Zion- Tongue of Ophel, threshing floor to separate the wheat [Judah]from the chaff [zionism]; geographically between Gihon Spring and Pools of Shiloh

Tribe of Judah, Prophet Jesus' Mt Hermon of Beautitudes is NOT Baal's Sion

Rev 3:9 Synagogue of satan: zionism

God: Not in conflict with self

[vistavision2]

Brumbar, in due time Israelis will be tried for War Crimes.

Heims, the NAZI torture doctor is 45 days from his last sighting in Argentina. He is 94 years old and it has been sixty years since his War Crimes.

International Law, including War Crimes, do not expire.

So it is very concievable that any Israeli political/military leadership or personnel that is complicit may be tried for War Crimes up until the day they die.

Israel-Palestine UNGA 181 Part II borders recognized: UNGA 273

[brumbar162]

All israelis are the same Labour/Irgun/Stern/Haganah/Lik­ud=israel- they know they have invaded another peoples land, racistly prevented Pals from holding their land & denied Pals their human rights. israelis only have different attitudes for the same goal of replacing the Pals & eventually creating a greater israel which means more war with Syria (building up for this already? - Syrian nukes etc) & Jordan (the Jordain king isn't slothenly enough?). All israelis & their supporters believe this.

[brumbar162]

israel has no legal right to Pal land as well. Its has been stolen from the Pals

[avi087]

The Palestinians often claim that settlement activity is illegal and call on Israel to dismantle every settlement. In effect, they are demanding that every Jew leave the West Bank, a form of ethnic cleansing. By contrast, within Israel, Arabs and Jews live side-by-side; indeed, Israeli Arabs, who account for approximately 20% of Israel's population, are citizens of Israel with equal rights.

[brumbar162]

You are joking - its is the colonialists (armed "settlers") who wre forcing the Pals off their land & destroying their livelihoods. israel has no legal right to the "occupied" territories of Gaza & West Bank. Not even the USA recognises this & it is against all UN rsolutions. israeli Arabs ( note, you use the racist form israeli Arab rather than Arab israeli) are 3rd class citizens in israel - they make-up 80% of the poor & are routinely discriminated in all daily life - called "Sand Niggers"

[avi087]

According to the UN, Israel does have a right to hold the disputed territories. You just forgot to read the second half of resolution 242: Termination of all claims or states of belligerency and respect for and acknowledgement of the sovereignty, territorial integrity and political independence of every State in the area and their right to live in peace within secure and recognized boundaries free from threats or acts of force.

Read the Hamas charter and youll see that Israel is doing no wrong.

[brumbar162]

I don't know how you could misinterpret this so badly This means israel must cease all control over Gaza & the West Bank - dismantling all colonies ("settlements") & israel is to allow the return of Pal refugees to their land which is currently occupied by israel. Not even George Bush accepts the "swiss cheese" israeli proposal. UN unequivocally supports a return to the 1967 borders. In is ridiculous for israelis to quote the UN since the UN has more than 500 resolutions against israel.

[avi087]

The UN calles for Israel to return to the 67 borders but in the same resolution calles for the Palestinians to recognize Israel's right to exist. Israel has no obligation to leave the territories untill the Palestinians agree to fulfill their part of the resolution.

[vistavision2]

Israeli leadership have Laws of Armed Conflict obligations of which said occupation qualifies as Crimes Against Humanity.

Palestininans have the recourse to war to liberate their territory should israel fail to honor its international law committments.

War Crimes Tribunals are a valid application of international law to hold Israeli leadership accountable.

Israel domestic laws do not supercede international law- that was Hilter/NAZI's argument.

[brumbar162]

This is another Nazi israeli lie. The PLO/Fatah government has for a long time recognised israel. israel however doesn't recognise & never will recognise a real Pal state. The UN also recognises Pal refugee right to return to their land in israel. israel of cause does not want peace until Pals, more of Syria & half of Jordan are totally ethnically cleansed fr a future Grater israel. I say israel is a Nazi state which morally does not have the right to exist at all. Leave your a thief!

[vistavision2]

Israel this or Israel that is only an expression for its People and Government.

Israel's poltical/military leadership are whom should be held accountable: This may be achieved with internationa/Palestine War Crimes Tribunals.

Those persons that hold that Likud doctrine of "Greater Israel" at the 100% plunder of UNGA 181 State of Palestine are in delusion: as are those Palestinians in delusion that call for the dissolution of the State of Israel.

[brumbar162]

No israeli jews are accountable becuase they knowing invaded Palestine, are blatantly involved in the ethnic cleansing of Pals & continually elect terrorists as their govt to knowingly implement these policies. THERE ARE NO INNOCENT iSRAELI JEWS.

[vistavision2]

Failed to consider UNGA 181 (a UN Charter Chapter XII resolution), borders are demarcated in part II Boundaries. Israel sovereignty refers to UNGA 181 source of legitimacy commonly called "Right to exist".

Same "Right to exist" for both states- same source of sovereignty.

UNSC 242, is a Chapter VII "provisional measure", e.g., modality.

Numerically, Subparagraph (i) ["recent conflict'- return to 1949 Armistice Line, commonally called Greenline] is before subparagraph (ii).

[avi087]

"Sand Niggers"- the first time I heard that was here on youtube. No one calls them that in Israel. But ARE YOU A 3 YEAR OLD?!?!?! You're gonna start crying because of name calling?! The Arabs call the Jews Pigs and Monkeys, but I really couldn't give a damn.

[brumbar162]

Are israelis so imbued with racism they don't recognise it at all. If you don't understand this, go to any Western country & repeat it. Racism of this sort is a crime in my country. & No, "Sand Nigger" is in common use in israel. israel has no right to any land in Gaza, West Bank & Golan Heights. All the colonies there are illegal & must be dismantled per UN declarations. The colonies themselves represent ethnic cleansing of Pal land. The Pals & Arabs never had a say in the creation of israel

[avi087]

Where did you see racism in what I wrote? Please quote.

"No, "Sand Nigger" is in common use in israel." Considering you live in Australia and I live in Israel. You shouldn't talk. Have you ever been here? What is the transilation of 'sand niggers' to Hebrew? (Once again, are you a 3 year old?!)

Israel captured the territories in an unjust war carried out against it. Israel won and captured the territories. When was the last time in history that territories were returned in such a situation?

[frenchnutter]

I fully agree with you.Ethnic cleansing is not acceptable and should be condemned. So by that I assume you fully support the Palestinian's right of return.Well done.

[avi087]

Well theoretically yes, but no. Between 850,000 to 1,000,000 Jews were expelled from the Arab countries after Israel declared independence, and they became refugees. There has been a population exchanges, the Jews understand that, but the Palestinians refuse to understand that. No one deserves the right of return.

[brumbar162]

This is another Nazi israeli lie. Another "the poor jew" victim myth. There never was anywhere near 850,000 to 1000000 jews in all of the ME. In retaliation for the ethnic cleansing of Pals by israel, A FEW THOUSAND jews were harassed. Many left voluntarily. The Pals however were terrorised out - the famous "15 minute to leave" or the israelis would rape & kill all Pals. This terrorism was lead by israels future leads with the full knowledge of the israeli people. There are no innocent israelis

[skvtube]

UN recognized Jews from Arabs countris as refugies. UNREF Executive Committee, Fourth Session -- ‎Geneva 29 January to 4 February, 1957. Do you have any DOCUMENTS that prof wide spread rape? It was about 850000 jews in Arab countries on 1947. About 8000 still live in Arab countries today.

[brumbar162]

Continued -Secondly, all Arabs are not the same - there are significant differences between regions including Pals & Jordanians - this is isreali propaganda that they are the same.Obviously Arabs fight one another - eg Iraq/Kuwait, Irag/Iran, Yemen, etc. In the 1948 war, isreal had a secret pack with Jordan to take Pal land! Look within Iraq, Kurds etc. These conflicts are mainly a result of UK, US & French past & present interference. Pre-WW1, Arabs lived relatively peacefully.

[mjcard]

This is nonsense. The Arabs are notorious for fighting one another, and blaming the world for their inability to control their violent natures. All through their history -- long before WW1 -- they have battled and hated each other. They have always been their own worst enemy, and then they whine and blame everyone else. The West Bank Palestinians lived under Jordanian rule for decades. If they are different from Jordanians, why did they not fight to get their state from Jordan?

[mjcard]

Why was there no opposition to Jordan's control of the area now known as Israel and Palestine? Is it not true that a large part of Jordan is historically Palestine.And so,why are Palestinians not trying to establish as part of their state those areas? Why no rockets in that direction? Why are Palestinians so fixated on just that small area of the globe now known as Israel?

[brumbar162]

After WW1, UK & France controlled the Middle East - the Arabs didn't have a say. Britain divided Palestine (for a future isreal?) from TransJordan, as they created other Arab states. The Arabs fought alongside the Allies in WW1 for their own state (jews didn't). UK & France instead betrayed them & made it worse by helping jews force a hostil state in one of the most important parts of M.E.

[mjcard]

The Arab Hashemite family had a lot of say after WW1, getting rule of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, & Syria. Jews joined Allied armies and fought and died for the Allied countries both in WW1 and WW2. But in WW2 the Arabs backed Hitler. The Palestinian leader, the Mufti of Jerusalem, actually spent WW2 in Germany as Hitler's guest. The Jews in "Palestine" joined the British army in WW2, fighting in the important N. African battles. Jews have returned to their homeland. The Palestinians are squatters.

[vistavision2]

all that is irrelevant:

International Law is International Law of UN Charter (multi-lateral agreement) and its Chapter XII partition of its State of Palestine (former League of Nations) Trusteeship Territory with UNGA 181.

If fact State of Israel sources its sovereignty with UNGA 181 as referenced in its (1)declaration of indendence and (2)UNGA 273, recognition of Government and Admission to UN membership.

[brumbar162]

israel of cause does not recognise International Law or the UN. It is always one sided with israel. George Bush said "either your with us or against us". zionist have had this attitude from israels inception in 1896.

[vistavision2]

The history of Israel begins in 1947 with UNGA 181.

Weizmann's Zionism was corrupted and exploited by the Irgun/Stern/Likud: Not one and the same.

Likud Zionism is comparable to russian dolls each cloaking the other or where the interior doll is NAZI/cloaked as Likud Zionism/clothed with Weismann's Zionism/and finally a raincoat of Judaism with a top hat of Democracy.

[brumbar162]

There wouldn't have been an israel without the World Zionist Organisation, Irgun, Stern Gang, Likud, Haganah, isreali ethnic cleansing & israeli state terrorism. All these things are supported by israelis & most jews overseas. If israelis did not support this, they wouls have left. This did not begin in 1947 - the organisation that created israel existed fr 1896 when the British offered non-Plaestinian land for an israeli state. No israelis are innocent! They know what they have done & more

[vistavision2]

You misunderstand my points:

1. State of Palestine pre-existence as League of Nations Trusteeship Territory and subsequent [present] partitioned UN Trusteeship Territory Arab State of Palestine with UNGA 181;

2. Churchihill repudiated the Balfour Declaration, see Document 1700 British Archives.

3.[Irgun/Stern/]Likud's zionism of Crimes Against Humanity is not Weizmann's Zionism of self-reliance and Jewish conscienceness.

[vistavision2]

4. Entire peoples cannot be punished- collective punishment- in civil jurisprudence and in armed conflict it is a War Crime.

5.Whereas, accountability is of individual persons- Israel political/miliary leadership.

6. INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY of UN has International Law Obligations [UN Charter, Article 80] to the people of the its UNGA 181 Trusteeship Territory Arab State of Palestine as is the purpose and principle of UN Charter.

[brumbar162]

How can israelis be innocent?- they knowingly invaded another peoples land, knowing practice ethnic cleansing of Pals, knowingly elect war criminals as PMs, have set-up an Apartheid/racist state, are war-mongers, institutionalised state terrorism, "Collect punishment" of israelis is an entirely appropriate & legal action as all israelis are knowingly guilty of these crimes.

[vistavision2]

brmbar, I do not know what you mean by "collective punishment" but it is neither appropriate nor legal under international law.

governments and people do not committ War Crimes: individual persons do; therefore, individuals are who are held accountable.

A state of war exists until Palestine is established or Israel complies wiht UNSC 242.

Jerusalem is international city- UNGA 181 Part III.

[brumbar162]

All israelis, as "individulas", are guilty because they authorise this behaviour.

If Nuremberg can create retrospective law, I don't see any reason a "democratic" country that engages in ethnic cleansing should not wholely be found collectively guilty. Nazi Germany could claim dicttatorship, israelis can not! Human rights abuses don't require this

Jerusalem has been officially annexed by israel. It is a divided city-Muslim East Jerusalem

[vistavision2]

Brimbar, 

Crimes are committed by INDIVIDUALS and NOT groups, organzations, or governments.

International Law is contractual bewteen incorporated agencies [i.e., governments] and NOT based on common law nor domestic law.

UN Charter is multi-lateral contract bewteeen said incorporated agencies.

Domestic laws do NOT apply in the international context: Jersualem's political administration is defined in UNGA 181 Part III Jersalem.

[brumbar162]

Before UK controlled Pal, Zionists asked UK for Pal; Balfour Declaration written by Co-leader of World Zionist Org; Arabs fight for their land in WW1 but UK takes territory control; UK separates Pal from TransJordan for future israel; UK allows easily preventable illegal jewish immigration; UK trains israelis to fight but prevents Pals fr defending themselves; UK kills 15000 Pals protesting against jewish invasion; 1943 Uk & US declared they would do all they could to create israel. Where's UN?.

[vistavision2]

Brumbar, Balfour declaration was repudiated by Churchill (UK Archives doc 1700).

League of Nations created Jordan, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq trusteeship territories.

Palestine Trusteeship Territory is under UK administration until UN assumes obligations with UNGA 181, Nov 29, 1947.

UK did not train then Jewish Palestinians: Jews had WWII experience whereas Palestinians were farmers up to 1967 occupation.

Iraq was only former trusteeship territory to join LON.

[brumbar162]

Churchill wrote his own White Paper in 1922-4 yrs before Balfour Dec became public-to reaffirm israel over Pals, UK policy to create israel fr 1917 to 1948 didn't change

Palestine was part of Tranasjordan-Uk separated Pal for a future israeli state

UN had no legal rights over Pal-these were part of the Leagues rights transferred to UK for the benefit of Pals, not jews.

UK trained 43,000 jewish militia during WW2, no Pals. Allied armies had a further 3 jewish divisions. Pals were defenceless

[vistavision2]

Brumbar,

1 Churchill himself REPUDIATED [UK archives doc 1700] the Balfour Declaration and changed UK foriegn policy.

2 The UK was the Palestine State LON Trusteeship territory administrator

3 YOU ae 100% confused or fabricating!

[brumbar162]

You are a liar

1922 White paper "re-affirmed by the Conference of the Principle Allied Powers at San Remo and again in the Treaty of Sevres, is not susceptible of change" It was actually written by High Commissioner for Palestine, Sir Herbert Samuel - a jew & zionist, he also helped write the Balfour Declaration fr 1915.

The Mandate was only to protect Pals until they, not jews, could form their own govt. In 1922 British created israels future borders, suppressed the Pals & assisted jews

[vistavision2]

READ Chruchiill foriegn POLICY statement whic is document 1700 in UK archive that REPUDIATES [UK Froeign Minister] Balfour Declaration.

REGARDLESS, White papers, i.e., Research documents or policy FORMULATION but NOT policy are NOT INTERNATIONAL LAW.

Just becasue your stuck on stupid:

1 Palestine Manate is a League of Nations Trusteeship and NOT a UK colony

2 UNGA 181 Part II demarcates borders and NOT a UK

YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!!!!

[brumbar162]

Nazi vistavisons:

You put the legal document against a Churchill speeach. You're a joke!

The UK never repudiated the Balfour Dec - they totally assisted in the creation of israel

The Mandate was for the Palestinians, not jews. UK had no right to create israel.

The UN had no legal right to make any decisions concerning Palestine. It was UK's legal obligation to implement the mandate in favour of the Palestinians ONLY.

UN was created by USA & UK -totally biased toward israel then!

[vistavision2]

FACTS:

1 Balfour Declaration was NOT a "legal" document but UK foreign policy: legal defined within the conext of International law

2 Churchill repudiated that policy: Its called policy shift.

2.1 Respective national foriegn policies are NOT international law: Example Israels of what NOT its International Law is Israel's annexation of Jerusalem.

[vistavision2]

3 UK did NOT create Israel: UN partitioned the State of Palestine Trusteeship Territory in accordance with UN Charter:

3.1 Art 20 convokation as requested by the LON Trusteeship Territory admnistrator of UK

3.2 Art 77., c "Territories under mandate

3.2 Art 80 TERMS for UN acceptance of Trusteeship Territory was partition; Part II Borders accpeted by Israel & UN community wiht UN 273 and UNGA 181 's article 80 TERMS are NON-Negotiable

3.3 Art 81 "UN, itself" as Administrator

[vistavision2]

4 Israel zionists can pretend that UNGA 181 & UNSC 242 and continue with their Crimes Against Humanity of War Crimes settlement building but it does not change the International Law context;

4.1 NOR the right of Palestinian resistance to wage war to liberate UNGA 181 State of Palestine Part II Territory.

5 UNGA 181is a CHAPTER XII, Article 80 TERMS within the context of Article 103 "obligations to UN supercede bi-lateral obligations" and is NON-MODIFIABLE.

[brumbar162]

The UN was created by USA & UK-completely biased toward israel, then

UK illegally created israel as it was contrary as administrator of the legal Mandate - the UN has no legal right to create israel.

This did not change from 1915 until 1948 when the UK handed over to the jews who started the 1948 war & denied the existance of the Palestinians even as a indiginous people, even until now.

Why are you defending israel - you're a Nazi

[vistavision2]

brumbar,

Your still stuck stupid! Every Nation-state who ratified the international agreement are the FOUNDERS and members of the UN.

I apply principles of International Law to the Context:

1 Israel leaderhisp & settlers are in systemic contravention to UNSC 242 & their acts qualify as Principles of Nuremberg, Principle VI (c) CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY

2 Shall be NO peace with Israel until it complies with UNSC 242

3 Jabotionsky sionism: recyled NAZI

I'm Tribe of Judah.

[brumbar162]

The Balfour Dec was passed by the British Cabinet- it is a legal document.

Churchill's speech does not repudiate a Cabinet decision.

As shown previously, the 1922 White paper confirmed the Balfour Dec.

The Mandate was the only legal authority which prescribed only a Palestinian state.

Under International Law, the UN did not have the legal right to create israel because the Mandate was not legally transferred to the UN

[vistavision2]

brumbar, YOUR CONFUSED and ignorant of WHAT/HOW the documents that you quote read

1 Balfour Declaration is promises Jews a "homeland" in Palestine

1.1 Then above you state ERRONEOULSY that UK handed Mandate over to Jews

1.2 UK fulfiled its International Law obligations with its UN Art 20 Convokation request and UN art 77 (c) "territories under mandate" authority.

2 READ the Documents

2.1 LEARN what itnernational is!

[brumbar162]

israel history began in 1896 when the World Zionist Organisation deliberately targeted replacing the Pal from their land "The bride is beautiful but already married". The UN was created by the Western Allies for their bidding including creating israel. israel was not created because of the holocaust either - zionist ambitions long predated this. & no, israel does not want peace until greater israel is created. israel doesn't recoginise the UN either - kills their negociators, welfare workers etc

[LaCrosseEagle]

the poor palestinians, they have to suffers most

[qixel]

Israel is a strategic DETRIMENT to the USA, and their influence on US politics is rotting the American ideal from the inside out.

[AIPACOWNSCONGRESS]

Nice interviews! Very insightful. Good Work.

[brick4sale]

We give Israel billions, and what do we get in return, nothing. We get a bunch of pissed off Arabs, and pissed off Jews, they tell us mind our own fucking business and then bitch non stop if they don't get another 20 billion! Israel can do what they want when they stop getting US tax dollars, until then they should shut fuck up and negotiate both sides act their fucking two!

[radomaxx]

@brick4sale israel run usa

[brick4sale]

How about you do this without the US, without our money, then I won't care.

[kam3Oen]

I'd be happy if Israel stopped receiving US aid. It'd make us stronger in the end.

[flyingbird0214]

If that's god's land, then let's ask god what she thinks about all this mess. If she doesn't answer in a week, then let's give the land to the Siberians. I'm sure they will enjoy the warm weather.

[Sabei0990]

I hate how arab are the ones building the settlments them selves!

[Evilushka]

The atrocities committed in the name of Zionism need to be exposed for what they are. Israel is terrified the Palestinian population within Israel will grow to a point where they become a majority, both figuratively and parliamentarily. It's obviously more complicated, but that's definately part of it. Israel just do what they want- they only care about pursuing their own agendas- until they finally do what is right, any attempt at peace is just a facade.

[Evilushka]

When will Israel finally be accountable for the widescale human rights abuse/illegal acts they have perpetrated against the Palestinians (and Lebanese)? When will America stop funding this? I'm not anti-Semetic (this has nothing to do with the Jewish faith, rather its Zionism) but the bias in the mainstream US media (Fox, CNN etc) is blatantly unbalanced- Al Jazeera rocks!

[vistavision2]

good evening middle east, we have a dedication to the heads of state: there aint no mountain high enough by tammy terril and marivin gaye. enjoy the vistavision2 vid- you have friend in Israeli 13 gangmembers and Palestine 13 actual is on active status.

[witir]

I Don't Understand what Is The Words Begining With Agreement.Agreement Means Attack Again And Build House Again Is That What You Means Agreement????

[AnaMurida]

how can a handful of palestinians survive against zionism and america?

[vistavision2]

zionism is through; netanyahu is just too stupid to recognize it. The American people do not support zionism as Israel propagandizes: its just the oligarchy of leadership because they profit from it.

[AnaMurida]

are you serious? this is so good to hear. im from australia, and our government follows the us government as you may be aware of, and america as a nation is very much shown as pro-israel here. but i do know that not all jews are zionists.

[vistavision2]

malvolent people do not negotiate when they are in a position of strength: Annapolis analysis- USA is feeling the heat as is Israel so they're to flip it into political gains for next USA elctions/not necessarily for ME resolution.

[socrapac]

they can't, they won't.

[vistavision2]

A good christian bears his cross of injury (regardless what the rest of the world says)by the malevolent.

In that sense, Usama is being a good christian. What did he say? "If doing this (the liberation of palestine: objective)is terrorism, then I'm a terrorist" Waht does he call everyone? hypocrits and parrots.

[vistavision2]

Muslims want some advice: go throw rocks across the israeli border for haj where the satans of zionists are as opposed to throwing rocks in Mecca.

Arafat was correct: to be a good muslim, one secondly must be a good christian, and a first a good Judah (to utter judgement/to ajudicate)

[vistavision2]

not the USA people, governmental agencies, in affirmation of US Constitutional international treaty obligations. This is not about religion but about HUMANKIND ETHICS AND CHARACTER vs Likud Crimes Against Humanity malevolence.

[vistavision2]

in this case, Usuma bin laden and al Queda stepped in on the morality; as did King Abdulah of Jordan as the head of government/state on the jurisprudence. But where is every other religious (judaism, christianity, Islamic, hindu, jainism, buddist) and 190 other UN political leaders? I speak for Americans that are directly in opposition to the USA leaders but

[toosinbeymen]

We never get the smallest clue in the American media and press that this is going on.

[vistavision2]

Did the NAZI's advertise that they were committing Crimes Against Humanity? NO; Why? the media was politicalized (incorporated as the fourth branch). Israeli likud and AM neo-cons follow the NAZI playbook; but added the spin of "war on terror". There are two witness' to malevolence: law (jurisprudence)and religion (ethicity) which usually step in to ajudicate and redress same.

[vistavision2]

And likewise Palestinians establish a War Crimes Tribunal to hold Israelis accountable.

OR International War Crimes to try both Israelis and Palestinians for violations of LOAC- War Crimes.

[vistavision2]

What is terror?

Im an international law expert, of including to but limited of: Laws of armed conflict- St. Petersberg, Hague, 1929 Geneva, 1949 Geneva, Principles of Nuremberg, 1977 Geneva Protocols- define violation of LOAC as War Crimes. LOAC permits Acts of Reprisals to force complaince with international law.

If Palestinians violate LOAC then Israel should establish an internationally recognized War Crimes Tribunal.

[aabrianll]

If this was the will of God you would be living in peace. Watch "Rabbi Against Israel (Zionism)" end your terror. Don't continue to harm his People. Read your scriptures and act appropriately. Free yourself from sin which brings death and bring peace to the world.

[vistavision2]

israli domestic jurisdiction, e.g, soveriegnty is limted to its demarcate border of UNGA 181 Part II. UNSC 242 areas of UNGA 181 State of Palestine: NON-Negotiable.

UNGA 181 State of Palestine occupied by Israel in 1949 are 100% negotiable without pre-conditions by either party.

Jerusalem is UN territory (UNGA 181 Part III) NOT Israel territory.

[vistavision2]

reiterate: any israeli regime that hold as its premise that UNGA 181 is invalid is an illegimate regime in possession of the agency of governance: conclusion- regime change is in order, including War Crimes Tribunals for Likud Crimes Against Humanity- PON P-VI.

[vistavision2]

For that matter any state regime of the 191 UN membership that agree UN Charter- UNGA 181/UNSC242/UNSC1397, international laws of armed conflict, Principles of Nuremberg are negotiable are illegitmate regimes and should be removed as well.

[vistavision2]

Arab states leadership that agree that International Law of UNSC 242 and UNGA 181 are unworthy of the Trust and should be removed as well.

[vistavision2]

if the Israeli premise is that UNGA 181 is not valid, then Israel itself destroys it source of legitimacy for sovereign powers- madness.

Palestinian leadership that agree with Likud that UNGA 181 is not valid destroy there own legtimacy as well.

[vistavision2]

Israel substantive Issue and demand: Arab states, Palestine leadership (recogintion of Israeli sovereignty.

Q: From where does Israel acquire its soveriegnty?

A: UNGA 181 Two State solution (reaffirmed with UNSC 1397) where in Part II the borders are demaracted.

UNSC 242, a Chapter VII, provisional settlement would mandate that Israel 1st withdraw from said (greenline) areas.

How does USA, UK, UN or any other "peace broker" deconflict settlements and UNSC 242?

[MustacheVerra]

This is even more proof Israel is not interested in peace. Israeli leaders are the worst war mongers of all. They want conflict so they can use this threat they have created as an excuse to grab more land. They've been doing this from the beginning.

[nohealthcare62]

Give all the land back to the Palestinins .The Jewish people stole this land ..It only happened since 1948 .I am Catholic and I do not support Israel !

[kam3Oen]

The whole point of Israel is so that the jewish people can give you jew haters, including Mel Gibson, a nice, thermonuclear armed middle finger. You can talk big, but we still have our finger on the button.

[crazycatfguy]

Jews trust God well enough to remain scattered until he sends them a king to restore their homeland. Zionist don't have that much faith. Jews losing faith? Not surprising since most of the old Testament is about how quickly they do that.

[kam3Oen]

God? LOL

[crazycatfguy]

Don't tell me go to NKUSA dot org and argue with them.

[kam3Oen]

These are the people that number a few thousand out of a world jewish population of 13 million. They also have ZERO power in Israel or anywhere, not a single elected representative. In fact, most are on welfare, too busy studying a book of fairytales to do anything constructive (like have jobs). Jews anchored in the REAL WORLD do not come into contact with these scum.

[jammoexii]

You're quite right that a lot of them are on welfare - in fact, it's this very status as economic victim that allows the Israeli government to exploit them by making them settlers.

[Duckthunda]

wow "jew haters".... sounds like you've got plenty of hate yourself.

[Duckthunda]

this comment was for kam30en

[Inkan1969]

I think kam30en is right. More power to him.