Anjem Choudary: Killing of Non Muslims is Legitimate

[ThoriumRex]

Funny these maggots come to a country where they despise the culture and laws, then they claim to be oppressed and discriminated against?

Go the fuck home then raghead! and take those piece of shit maggot British politicians who allowed your West hating asses into Europe in the first place.

Then the cowardly, piece of shit maggot liberal parties all want to join hands and sing with these very religious zealots who seek to destroy their culture.

[MrTStrike]

Islam is the religion of the Devil. Allah is one of many names used by Satan. Muhammed even said that the Devil had spoken to him. No true god would call on his people to do what muslims do. They are sadistic, barbaric and evil and while they are on this planet there will never be peace.

[evospecies]

@MrTStrike

Please don't generalise Muslims. The problem is Islam.

[spartacus6839]

Muslims are religious supremists, just as nazi's where racial supremisits.

[evospecies]

@spartacus6839

Please don't generalise Muslims. The problem is Islam.

[spartacus6839]

@evospecies Can u please explain the difference between the 2?

[evospecies]

@spartacus6839

I know, and you do probably too, that there are plenty of Muslims worldwide that are not extremists and that do not discriminate against non-believers. So, they are not supremacists, and therefore, generalising against Muslims, as you do, is a logical fallacy.

However, Islam, considering the contents of the Qur’an and other Islamic scriptures, unreservedly is a supremacist movement.

[markonospoofo]

Well, At least he's an honest follower of the cult named Islam. Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." Screw you Allah, stupid pagan Moon god. Come get me tough guy. I'm waiting. Punishment time. Hello !!! Allah !!! Time for some punishing. Still waiting.. I didn't think so.

[evospecies]

@markonospoofo

Allah is imaginary and that counts for any other superbeing. You are wasting your time.

[BasilFawlty4444]

@TheTemplar84 The EDL IS an extreme organisation! What happens when you fight fire with fire? You get a bigger fire.

Don't you see that Muslims or immigrants will become like us? NO ouside culture has withstood the test of time in Britain!

At the end of the day, and I say this as a patriotic person, the concept that BRITISH people died in defence of the UK can be refuted with one fact: in WWII, more people from the Empire and Commonwealth fought in the British Forces than native Britons.

[BasilFawlty4444]

@TheTemplar84

A true Briton rejects extremism...

Being in the EDL is not rejecting extremism

[makpuki99]

TERRORIST MOHAMAD WAS & REMAINS THE ONE AND ONLY THE GREATEST SEX-MURDERER-PAEDOPHILE-THIEF-­­­LOOTER-LIAR-FRAUD-FILTHY CRIMINAL OF ALL TIMES IN THE HISTORY OF THE HUMAN RACE.HE WAS FOUND GUILTY BY ONE TRUE GOD & NOT BY THE PAGAN KABBAH VAGINA SHAPED STONE (ALLAH). HE REMAINS A PRISONER IN THE ABYSS OF HELL AS A CONCUBINE-SERVANT-SLAVE OF SATAN & LUCIFER. ISLAM IS THE MENTAL DISEASE OF SATAN AND WAS SPREAD BY TERRORIST MOHAMAD TO HINDER THE PROGRESS OF THE HUMAN RACE.

[Ronaldo573]

On further reflection this guy is stupid. He doesn't even know his own religion and needs medical help. To present this guy with intelligent arguments is belittling human intelligence.

[Ronaldo573]

Even Muhammad himself will beg to differ with this guy on this account. There is nothing in Islam which says that only Muslims are innocent. I am an atheist by the way.

[evospecies]

@Ronaldo573

I am sorry Ronaldo, but you are ill informed. If you study the Qur'an, you will find that it is crammed with verses that condemn non-Muslims and hail Muslims as those that possess the divine truth. The biggest crime in the Qur'an is rejecting Islam.

[Ronaldo573]

@evospecies I will do a bit of research on this one. I was taught though that one cannot kill innocent people who are not fighting. Furthermore, there really is nothing in Islam which says that "only Muslims are innocent".

[evospecies]

@Ronaldo573

Ronaldo, you might wish to read my channel as a start. I give a few examples of how the Qur'an works for Muslims and against all-others. The problem is that innocent non-Muslims do not exist. This is not explicitly mentioned in the Qur'an, but in many verses it is implicit.

[tnucasisusej]

Anjem Choudary is a British agent,

[sweetypie000]

can you believe the audacity ? he lives in illford with his 4 kids poncing off the state and talks about killing our people ?

what a slap in the face for ppl who died in ww1, ww2 and putting up with this shit

wars were fought and ppl died for this shit scumbag to live here in a british home ? wtf

[Katluver1991]

Religion doesn't cause violence, Islam causes violence...everybody else just fights in self-defense.

[jono936]

@Katluver1991 LOL have you heard of an institution called the Catholic Church?

[Katluver1991]

@jono936 of course I have, lol. 

[Outboundz]

fight for your belief in your heart yes that no one may steal it, but to fight against people to kill the lie no, a lie kills itself.

Further more to kill the enemy's of the islams is to say that allah is weak and cannot take care of the opposers.

[evospecies]

@HocusPocusMumboJumbo

You have a habit of insulting (“fucking baboon”, “sanctimonious bullshit”) rather than using solid arguments, just because you desire so. You maintain to be right -“I know my facts”- without giving any. You are short tempered and easily provoked by well meant advice.

Do you expect to make a point this way at all?

You have been offensive and pointless and I beg you to take your odour elsewhere. If you do not know how to behave, you are not welcome here.

[evospecies2]

@HocusPocusMumboJumbo

This is not about me. It’s simply a matter of playing the ball, not the man. Whether or not one has abject/stupid ideas, insulting one has no weight. Fight the idea not the man. The baboon’s part reasonably applies to no one, unless you intend to just insult because you have no solid argument. In that case you have no case and there is no fairness in it. Otherwise, refrain from insulting and play the ball. It’s the reasonable approach.

Thought that was obvious...

[evospecies2]

HocusPocusMumboJumbo, apologies are not required for missing my sarcasm, although checking out who speaks is always wise.

However, comparing my brain to that of a baboon is playing the man. Never do that, it obviously has no weight as an argument. The art of argumenting shall be in playing the ball.

[evospecies]

@HocusPocusMumboJumbo

Hocus, before you comment, please check who you are talking to. You completely missed the sarcasm in my comment to Canashea.

Further, comparing people's brains to that of a baboon is not only very rude, it is meaningless as an argument. 

[ghfla311]

The real question that everyone wants to know is whether Islam is declaring war against all other religions? It's a fact that some extremists are, but will the non-extremist muslims side with the extremists? This guy is saying that they will side with their muslim brothers no matter what. So i can get that out of this conversation, even though he's trying to be politically correct, he's still basically saying that Sharia law should prevail or war will follow based on muslim teachings.

[jtriplett2010]

Let us use facts and knowledge to understand our existence and stop believing and supporting fairy tails created to literally brainwash people as a method to control masses of people and gain support unmatched by any other allegiance.

[321roos]

iamgeert, very good comment about taqiyya, this is a term that means muslims should deceive and lie to non-muslims when they are outnumbered in a country to gain "false" trust of non-muslims. In other words, "lie to people in order to take advantage of them.

[xxyellaxx92]

@321roos

First of all the taqiya is a term used by the shiaa minority, and that is not what it means.

The concept of Taqiya says muslims can lie about their faith of they are under threat, persecution, or compulsion, not to lie in order to take advantage of people or whatever.

[321roos]

xxyellaxx92, Are you serious with your comments? Islam is a religion of peace you say? What is peaceful about saying killing non-muslims is OK, like the quran says? Take a look in your quran at sura 4:89. It says anyone who rejects Islam must be killed! Or if a muslim ever turns their back from Islam, take hold of them and kill them! This is in YOUR holy book. How can you justify that comment which is just one of MANY hateful messages?

[xxyellaxx92]

@321roos

Yes I am serious.

The quran doesn't say muslims should kill non-muslims for their beliefs, you must've took the verses that make you think that, out of context (wether historical context or not)

Verse 4:89 speaks of the hypocrites, that is obvious from the previous verse 4:88 (people who act as if they are muslims but are actually enemies of Islam, if they revert to [open] enmity they should be killed.)

[xxyellaxx92]

@321roos

and the following verse 4:90 clerifies that this shouldnt happen if the hypocrites seek refuge with a people whome have a covenant with the muslims, or those who do not make war with muslims and offer them peace.

So tell me, peacefull or not?

Please gain proper knowledge before you speak about something serious.

[Canashea]

this just shows what intolerant specimins they are, they disrespect anyone else's belief or culture other then there own but yet expect THEIR respect to them??!!

[evospecies]

Let me explain this, Canashea. Islam is the only true religion, as per the word of the Quran and thus per the word of Allah (said Muhammad). Therefore all other religions are inferior to Islam. Hence other religions do not deserve any respect. However, Islam shall deserve respect as being the superior religion over all other religions. Why? Allah said so as per the word of Muhammad. Get it?

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

You do know that Islam, isn't the only religion from Allah don't you?

Islam is just the final, universal religion, but they are all from Allah, and they all (unaltered) deserve respect.

That is other than the fact that your knowledge and culture is different from others, and you should respect other people's beliefs, as long as they aren't harmful, just like you want them to respect yours.

[evospecies]

@xxyellaxx92

No religion is final and universal, where did you get that silly idea? And why on earth should one have respect for a religion? It is completely beyond me why one should respect a thought system that makes people believe in an imaginary superbeing. I reserve my respect for ideas and people worthy of it. Respect must be earned, it cannot be demanded. And Islam does not deserve respect, it is harmful.

[Canashea]

@evospecies No, I dont get it at all. Because I was brought up to respect other peoples beliefs and cultures, but NOT that one particular belief is superior above others. People have the right to believe what they want, but dont be forcing it on to other people or treating them as inferior just because they dont.

[evospecies]

Canashea, I sarcastically phrased the way Muslims think; their common way of circular reasoning. That "explains" why Muslims believe that their cult is superior over all other religions.

Please drop the idea that you must respect "other people's beliefs and cultures", they can be totally abject! Would you respect stoning, circumcision, killing homosexuals, killing apostates?

People should understand that respect must be earned, it is not a given!

Hope you get it now.

Evo

[xxyellaxx92]

@Canashea

You need to learn how not to generalize.

People are different you know.

[Canashea]

@xxyellaxx92 Everyone is guilty of generalising at some point in their lives. Its easy to do, especially when all you hear about Islam is usually negative.

Your right what you say though, people are different. It's a shame a lot of Muslims cant tolerate diversity.

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

Islam is indeed a religion of peace.

It does mean submissin [To God]

Islam doesn't support terrorism as I explained.

The killing was ordered for certain cases such as self-defense, not because of ones choice of belief.

You only hold that opinion because you took things out of context and you don't really understand Islam enough.

The internet feeds so many mis-interpretations.

I hope I was able to clerify some points to you, and I hope allah guides to you to the right path.

Peace.

[iamgeert]

@xxyellaxx92 i can not believe you just said all that bollocks about peace on a article on anjem choudry. and to me and many others that watch this will be even more determined that islam teaches nothing but liars too, ohh hang on it does, its called taqquia, and that is not taken out of context.

just to clarfiy things for you, islam is not and never will be a relgion of peace, it is everything anjem says it is, and more!

[xxyellaxx92]

@iamgeert

Is Choudary anything more than a man?!

Don't men do mistakes? don't men do wrong?!

How can you judge Islam from what a MAN says, not from it's scriptures.

The quran and prophet Muhammad's sayings. Those are what you need to understand to know Islam and judge it, and that is what I spoke of.

I didn't lie. you can learn about them yourself and make sure of what I said instead of just believing what people say, and calling me a liar .

[Wingchunskunk]

@xxyellaxx92 go tell that to those arseholes who bomb innocents around the world killing innocents

[xxyellaxx92]

@Wingchunskunk

I do tell those I can.

Hope you have a nice day.

[evospecies]

@xxyellaxx92

In fact you clarified nothing; you just made a series of unsubstantiated statements.

[evospecies]

It is peculiar how some people deny that Choudary is a true Muslim, because he does not look and speak like a Muslim.

Of course that is total nonsense and when their comments are challenged, these people prefer to remain silent.

How shall we understand your making comments, while not pleading your case when challenged?

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

I am not to judge wether Choudary is a true Muslim, God knows.

People usually prefer to remain silent because these discussions are usually endless, and people keep arguing even after being explained to.

You should know that this is not a challenge...

And anyway I explained myself to you, hope it will make a difference.

[xxyellaxx92]

Oh my God! how can people let alone muslims misunderstand islam that way !

This information about islam is SO WRONG!

[evospecies]

So, xxyellaxx92, what exactly is wrong about what Choudary says and how does he misunderstand Islam?

Just making your above statements is not really very convincing.

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

It's funny I was just replying to a post of yours :)

The quran says

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for Allah loveth not transgressors." [2:190]

Terrorism is wrong.

Muslims shouldn't hate non-muslims

We are told in the Quran there is no compulsion in religion.

Whosoever makes a choice makes it to his/her own good.

It is between Allah and him/her.

[evospecies]

Hi Xxxyellaxx92, thanks for your comments.

Unbelief is worse than killing!

Read 2:190 to 193 in context, in particular the last verse: “and fight [the disbelievers] until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and the religion (all and every kind of worship) is for Allah (Alone) […]”.

All in all, there’s a lot of fighting and killing commanded. It appears that Choudary understood it well. Unbelievers are not innocent and killing them is not a crime.

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

[2:190/191/192/193] support what I said before about war cases being such as self-defense and opression.

the last part "Hence, fight against them until there is no more oppression and all worship is devoted to God alone; but if they desist, then all hostility shall cease, save against those who [wilfully] do wrong"

"and religion belongs to God [alone]" - i.e., until God can be worshipped without fear of persecution, and

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

none is compelled to bow down in awe before another human being.

I believe a reason why God didn't command the killing of unbelievers for not believing is cause God is most just & merciful & he knows that some non-muslims may convert, everyone deserves a chance, & because punishment for that is in the afterlife, after the test is over.

Again the killing ordered was to be in necessary cases where killing isn't wrong, & isn't for not believing.

You take things out of context.

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

Irrespective if someone is a Muslim or a non-Muslim we are ordered strictly to follow the guide lines of justice & equality when dealing with both without discrimination.

Tell me one verse ordering hate of non-muslims, or stateing that we should feel that way.

[evospecies]

Xxyellaxx92, you ask: “Tell me one verse ordering hate of non-Muslims, or stating that we should feel that way.”

I refer to 3:151, while 5:32/3 combined with (10:17, 11:18-19, 18:15, 32:22), are a license to kill unbelievers. The greatest mischief is being an unbeliever!

See also 8:12, 8:39, 9:29 etc. Muslim 1:33 and Bukhari 8:387 are significant!

The general idea is that killing unbelievers is OK, and that’s what we also read in Tabari IX:69: killing the unbeliever is a small matter to Muslims.

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

How can you refer to verse [3:151]

This verse neither orders hate of non-muslims, nor does it say muslims should hate non-muslims.

It basically says God will cast terror in the hearts of unbelievers, and that they will go to hell, which is their "after-life" punishment. This is irrelevent.

licence to kill unbelievers, true but just for a certain case

in [5:32/33] it's explained that it's "The punishment for those who wage war against Allah and

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

His Rasool and strive to create mischief in the land"

[10-17] no license to kill here. basically describes injustice of those who attribute lies to God, and those stating God's messages to be lies.

[11-18/19] , & [18-15], [32-22] again no license to kill here.

They do however describe how unjust unbelievers if when they lie about God's message, whe they witness his miracles and turn their back on them.

It is unjust.

[8:12] again concerns battle, the following verse continues

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

"This is because they defied Allah and His Rasool. Whoever defies Allah and His Rasool should know that Allah is strict in retribution"

You will see from verse [8-34] that this was at a time when Mecca was in the possession of quraysh, and they didn't allow muslims to enter it.

Reading the following verses till [3-39] you will understand the reason, it isn't to force people into Islam, or to kill non-believers for not believing.

Similarly the case of verse [9-29]

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

Muslim 1:33 and Bukhari 8:387 as well as some others, as I already explained for Muslim 1:33, I read that they concern Mecca where non-muslims aren't allowed.

And the fact that Bukhari 8:387 is in book 8 related to Prayers (Salat), not in that related to Fighting for the Cause of Allah for example, seconds what I read.

The general idea is that killing unbelievers is okay but not for not believing, but for cases such as self-defense and opression.

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

You don't believe these are the words of allah, but just assume with me that they are. If you created a universe and people and animals and nature full of riches for them to take advantage of, created beauty and accurate perfection all around them, and sent for them prophets to guide them, and spread your word and help them.

Then they didn't worship you, or worshiped other beings with you, and even claimed your words to be lies, and some even

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

cursed at you, and tried to kill your prophets and believers.

Wouldn't you say they are unjust / criminals, wouldn't you punish them in the afterlife since this life is a test and they failed it?

Yet still non of these verses tell muslims to hate unbelievers, or to treat them badly or to kill them for not believing.

And about Tabari, he followed the classic methodology of early Islamic historians, who would

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

simply compile all the known narrations about a certain event, regardless of how authentic or reliable each of they were, and they would copy the Isnads into their books, so that scholars of Hadith could determine which narration was Sahih/authentic and which was weak or even fabricated.

I don't know if this is authentic or not before referencing a hadeeth you should have proof of it's authenticity.

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

Furthermore, Fighting in arabic is sometimes translated by people to killing, if the word used in arabic is actually fighting the meaning of the hadith would differ significantly.

So before you can discuss this hadith these matters should be clarified.

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

And I find it wrong to say I will never condemn a muslim brother.

First of all God is the one who knows wether someone is really a muslim or not, second muslims do wrong like any other person, and if a muslim does wrong we shouldnt blindly stand by his/her side.

[evospecies]

Xxyellaxx92, you appear to be a moral person and you share this with many Muslims. I agree with many things you say. I don’t attack you; I criticize Islam, based on its scriptures and Muslim terrorist acts. Criticism may be experienced as insulting or painful, but truth can be painful.

Choudary: Terrorism is defined by Allah as the verbal or physical use of violence whether by a state or individual against a person or people (civilians or combatants), in the absence of a divine permit.

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

thank you.

I can understand criticizing a religion based on it's scripture (though I don't agree that you'll find something to criticize in Islam if you really understand it)

but criticizing a religion based on actions of it's followers (in this case you say Muslim terrorist attacks) doesn't make much sense to me.

Every religion has those who follow it correctly and those who don't.

Choudary is just a man, he doesn't speak for God. Get the definition from the quran not choudary.

[klnadal]

this man is either taught Islam incorrectly OR has not studied Islam at ALL.... I really Question the authenticity of this video subject. Even if he claims to be muslim, he doesn't speak like a muslim. PERIOD!

[evospecies]

@klnadal

Please inform us how a Muslim speaks in your opinion. Just stating this holds no water.

Anyway, Choudary appears to understand Islamic scriptures quite well. His opinion that non-Muslims are guilty of not worshipping Allah and thus are not innocent citizens is well in line with Islamic scriptures and Islamic terrorism. We should be thankful that he clearly explains to us what Islam stands for.

[klnadal]

@evospecies - He is making his own distinction of who is a believer or not. This is not allowed in Islam - Allah is the only one who knows the heart of any person. 'Innocent' means NONCOMBATANT . We are told not to be extreme in either direction, but to take the middle path (meaning finding balance). IF this is legitimate & unaltered, (and it may be), then this is to me, a man who knows scripture in words but has chosen to not aquire true knowledge of the MEANING.

[evospecies]

Klnadal, who is a believer or not is explained in 100+ verses in the Qur’an. Bottom line: Muslims are believers and the rest are unbelievers: Choudary got that all right. See verse 3:85.

What to do with unbelievers? Allah’s hate is upon them, slay them, smite their necks, cut off their fingers. I love Qur’an verses 8:12, 3:151, 4:76, 4:89… must I go on? But, Bukhari (52:177) and Muslim (1:33) are also sweet.

Islamic scriptures, Klnadal, do not really support the credibility of your words.

[klnadal]

@evospecies Really, I'm not trying to get into an arguement here. I am just saying that I AM muslim, I DO believe in the Qur'an, & I DO study Islam. With that said, I can also say that I DON"T know everything about anything - let alone The Qur'an. You can quote the Qur'an & Hadeeth all day long, but tell me which scholor you have studied under to gain the proper understanding of what you are reading? (in english) I only gave my opinion, it's valid & with understanding. Your hatred is so sad.

[evospecies]

(1) Really, Klnadal, there is no hatred in my words, at most some sarcasm. The hatred is in the Quran and I gave a few of many examples.

Now, reading the chapters (in various translations) to understand the verses in their context (if any) and studying the various Tafsirs (the authors are my teachers), unfolds a very clear picture. So how can you reasonably disregard my words? Just saying that your opinion is valid (and mine is not) does of course not make it valid (and mine invalid).

[evospecies]

(2) Klnadal, you don’t wish to argue, but by commenting you do that. Alas, your argument is limited to stating that your opinion is valid, while rejecting mine as invalid and hateful, without reason.

True meaning of Islam is in its scriptures and their comments (the Tafsirs), together providing proper understanding. No sugar coating by an apologetic Islamic scholar is required. I do believe in the Qur’an, Klnadal, its reality is with us in 16000+ Islamic terror attacks since 9/11. Who hates?

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

Islam is a religion of peace. We are not ordered to kill innocent people and there is no compulsion in our religion. Even during war only those participating in battle can be killed. No civiillians.

verse [8:12] regards battle.

If I say to someone -->

If "name" attempts to kill you, kill him.

you can't run around telling people, "she said kill him! she is violent"

...Why?

Because reading the whole sentance will show I was talking of a case where killing is'nt wrong.

[evospecies]

@xxyellaxx92

Hi, you let me have quite a few great comments. I beg you to be patient, I may not be able to comment any time soon for personal reasons. Maybe beginning December.

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

[3:151] also regards battle you can understand that reading the previoous verses.

[4:79]

All I can say is read the related previous verse.

[4:89]

Again to understand you have to read [4:88 - 4-89 - 490] all together.

Taking part of something is very misleading, and wrong.

In order to understand islam well enough to judge it you can't just take verse by verse alone.

Related verses should be taken together along with related saying of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

When it concerns hadeeth it's a bit more complicated.

Not all hadeeth are true, isnad should be looked at, those with week isnad's shouldn't be relied on, and the situation of the hadeeth should be taken into consideration at times, and the hadith shouldn't contradict with a rule in quran.

Bukhari (52:177) This mentions a certain fight not orders general fighting of all jews.

God knows everything, including a certain fight that will occur before judgement day.

That's what's stated.

[xxyellaxx92]

@evospecies

Muslim (1:33)

I read this is meant for mecca in saudi arabia where non-muslims aren't allowed.

I'm not sure thoughI still need to look into the situation at which this hadeeth is being said to make sure.

But then again neither are you..

Please don't just post more examples, this could go on forever, just make sure you have better understanding of islam before speeking badly about it, this is a serious matter.

[RATIONALMIND001]

This Anjem Choudary clearly had some sort of brain disorder. Some say believers in conceptual entities like Allah, march to a different drum. I say that these people should march straight to the nearest mental institution and seek help!

[codergeek82]

This guy seems suspicious to me, he doesn't look and speak like a typical muslim.

[evospecies]

@codergeek82

Please explain to us what a "typical Muslim" looks like and how a "typical Muslim" speaks. Also, please explain why someone would seem suspicious if not a typical Muslim. Thank you in advance.

[Ansar3119]

I Have a Question if i disagree with the certain muslims leaders according to the Quran and Sunna would that give another muslim the right to put me in the state of TAKFIR????? I mean if Some muslims condone sucide bombing as a war stragey but I as a muslim disagree with the concept of sucide bombing would that put me in a Takfir catergory. another thing if america was invaded by muslim nations what would american coverts to islam who werent born in islam get equal respect as muslims overseas?

[evospecies]

@Ansar3119

The Qur’an commands Muslims (as slaves of Allah) to fight non-believers, (2:191-193, 2:216, 3:56, 3:151, 4:74, 4:76, 4:89, and so on). If a Muslim does not agree with the violence preached in the Qur’an, he actually rejects the literal word of Allah and might thus well be considered an apostate. And the Qur’an is quite specific about apostates. So yes, you then are in the state of “takfir” and your blood may be legitimately shed.

See how convincing Islam is?

[evospecies]

@Ansar3119

I read your second question as follows:

“If America was invaded by Muslim nations, would American converts to Islam (who weren’t born in Islam) get equal respect as Muslims overseas?”

I wonder how much respect Muslims from hostile nations would get once they invade the USA. It can’t be much. And the invasion has already started, although the USA appears unaware of it.

Regarding American Muslims (including converts), as long as they obey the law, read the first amendment!

[evospecies]

@Ansar3119

Of course, the Qur’an is not the word of an imaginary being like Allah. The Qur’an is a collection of verses borrowed and rewritten from Jewish and Christian scriptures, and verses made up by Muhammad to justify his own deeds. As Muhammad was a warlord, this explains the violence in the Qur’an.

[AhamdiyyatChannel]

Allah save islam from these mullah and maulanas who hijacked islam ... God punish them alll ......These are lairs and spreading hate and ruining name of Islam.

[evospecies]

@AhamdiyyatChannel

Well, Islam itself has done a great job already to ruin its own name. Choudary is just being a good Muslim who has understood Islamic scriptures and neatly explains to us Kaffirs where Islam stands.

[AhamdiyyatChannel]

@evospecies People who kill are not Muslims ... Islam do not allow killing of innocent people .... We give our lives to defend our religion our principles like every person in the world do.... but these terrorist these are not muslimd ... These big beard freaks are already proved in Quran as Worst Creatures of this time ..

[evospecies]

@AhamdiyyatChannel

Are the people that cheered and danced in the streets after 9/11 no Muslims? Are the Islamic scholars that issue death fatwa’s no Muslims? Are the roaring people in the streets that scream for the killing of Christians, non-Muslims, cartoonists, those who insult Islam and gay people no Muslims? Are the Islamic people that stone so-called criminals to death no Muslims? Are the Islamic people in the streets that slaughter Christians no Muslims?

[AhamdiyyatChannel]

@evospecies brother i am an ahmadi muslim and we are not like mainstream muslims ...If you read about Ahmadiyyat ..You will see we are against Killing of innocent people ...We are also are persecuted by so called muslims and our country pakistan has allowed its people to kill us just becaz we condemn violent jihaad and we spread peace and love ...So plz dont say this stuff to me becaz my family members are killed by these bearded mullahs and maulanas ...

[AhamdiyyatChannel]

@evospecies I will spend my whole life protecting my Islam My Ahmadiyyat from these freaks ...Just look at there faces what do you expect from this face? You can just see the hate on there faces but plz my friend don't compare every muslim to these kind of people .... We condemn these people and we will never let them take over Islam.

[evospecies]

@AhamdiyyatChannel

Islamic scriptures are infested with violence and discrimination.

The problem is Islam, not Muslims.

[evospecies]

I am not attacking you personally AhamdiyyatChannel, and I believe what you say about Ahmadiyyat.

But I am opposing your statement that people that kill are no Muslims. If your "holy book" is the Qur 'an, I advise you carefully read it and find the violence and discrimination in it. The Qur'an is the book of Islam and the problem is Islam.

[AhamdiyyatChannel]

@evospecies I will never kill any humanbieng or any ahmadi will never kill anybody just becaz they dont have the same point of view as us .... Everybody is free to follow what religion they want....Even in Quran its written that There is no compulsion in religion ... So these mullahs and maulanas these are not muslims ....These are worst creatures of this time and they are swines and pigs of this time.

[evospecies]

I am offended that you dare to refer to Qur'an 2:256 (there is no compulsion in religion...). The complete verse states that Islam is considered the only trustworthy religion!

You forgot to mention Qur'an 3:85 "And whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, it will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers."

Your apologetic one-sided comment is not appreciated. If you are not aware of 3:85, you are ignorant. If you are aware of it, you are deceiving us.

[billrbaker]

Islam is a lie and idiots like Choudary ony strengthen the truth agains the islamic occult

[Pantera4LifeXTX]

@billrbaker Allah IS a lie just like Jehovah and Zeus!

[MARKCHAOS]

i want to kill this guy he is a treat to non muslim... could someone kill this guy for me???

[evospecies]

@MARKCHAOS

Your abject and violent comment makes you a soul mate of Choudary himself! Apart from that, requesting others to do your dirty job makes you what?

Your comment is not appreciated and you are kindly requested to take your crap elsewhere.

[lamjer68]

Muslim trash.

[evospecies]

@lamjer68

Please do not call this Muslim trash. More exactly you might wish to call this "Islamic trash".

[lamjer68]

@evospecies Islamic meatbags. That good?

[evospecies]

@lamjer68

The problem is Islam, not so much the Muslims in general. If you had been raised in a fundamentalist Islamic culture, you might as well be brainwashed with such abject ideas. But I agree, Choudary is a standard meatbag.

[manlioman]

how annoying! he kept going around the question! The tv giornalist did a good job in moderating his answers, otherwise the wako would have kept blabbling and changing the subject.

[1BustedMyth]

Lets read between the lines shall we!

I will condone and support the actions of ANY muslim!, that includes bombing, murdering innocent people.

Islam: Murder non believers, gays, anyone else you don't like.

[JesusNotTheSonOfGod]

Disgusting person!

[Malangsufi]

I always wondered who select and invites this individuals to represent the muslim community while you have people like Abdal-Hakim Murad who are far more educated than this guy!

It feels like Anjem Choudary is mostly expressing his thoughts/emotions and ideas than what islam would say to those question. The producers knows that this guy will react like this and that is why they invited him!

And no I am not muslim, I have a lot of muslim mates and I know islam is not what media show it to be!

[evospecies]

@Malangsufi

I disagree; the interviewer obviously did not do his homework and is completely overthrown by Choudary.

And, please know that many verses in the Quran exactly express what Choudary says: You're all right as long as you submit to Islam; if not you shall be punished.

This is about Islam, and not about your (no doubt) sympathetic Muslim friends. Evaluate Islam by its scriptures not by Muslims.

Surely Abdal-Hakim Murad beats Choudary intellectually; but that does not change Islam.

[Malangsufi]

@evospecies

I am not going to deny my lack of knowledge in Islam but I know that most of Islamic teaching needs to be explain by proper scholars, and now days it has became so easily to be a religious leader, just like how it is to become a POP star.

I dono, I could be very wrong, but till now my social life with my muslim friends is no different than the one with my atheist friends. I do not consider myself atheist but yes they are very diffensive and protective of their beliefs.

[evospecies]

@Malangsufi

Exactly, that is why I reject putting the blame for violence and discrimination on the Muslim people, the blame is on Islam. But many Muslims have no clear idea about the contents of Islamic scriptures, and if their Imam does not teach poisonous ideas, there is no problem. But, please know that the Qur'an forbids Muslims to befriend non-Muslims (for example, read 5:51, 5:80, 3:28, 3:118).

[oledecoronaldo]

i am a muslim and i gotta say this guy is an extremist. islam is a religion of peace

[evospecies]

Oledecoronaldo, are you aware what the Quran says about non-believers (non-Muslims)? And, if you are, how do you reckon that Islam is a religion of peace?

[vikingskippen]

@evospecies it says exactly what it says. you haven't read it. the term innocents is just raped by the man in the video.

[evospecies]

@vikingskippen

I have not read what?

And what do you mean by "just raped"?

Please make comments that are specific and clear.

Thanks.

[abacuss786]

This dude is crazy as hell..

[evospecies]

Observe Choudary's focus on his appalling message in the context of the questions. He listens to the interviewer, exactly remembers what he said, and at the same time remains fixed on his own dirty message, overpowering the interviewer. Observe Anjems concentration while being interrupted, but also letting the interviewer speak, and then retaliate.

In the end, the interviewer appears to be unaware of unbelievers being guilty of rejecting Allah. The interviewer did not do his homework.

[RATIONALMIND001]

It is long overdue that Governments and people of the world think rationally. Rationalism is not a faith but the humble acknowledgment that WE dont know! Religion cannot be validated! People and leaders MUST have the courage, integrity and honesty to admit when they dont have the answer. Religion has a dark side and some religions more than others. See the religion of Islam out of control, download FITNA.

[nyepski]

Death to all muslim dress wearing, pedo worshipping, wife beating bastards!!

There will be a civil war within 20 years

BRING IT ON !!!

[nyepski]

muslims are dangerous devils much worse than the Nazis we will only have peace when they are ALL slayed

[evospecies2]

Nyepski, your response is out of line. The problem we face is the fascist ideology of Islam, not ALL (!) Muslims. You cannot reasonably accuse Muslims in general of being dangerous. That is total nonsense because great numbers of Muslims are nice and peaceful people. Think before your write! Your murderous comment (slaying all Muslims) is not appreciated and I kindly request you to refrain from placing such foul comments here in the future. Thanks for your cooperation.

[TheLongfords]

Why indeed is he allowed to live in Britain. Well this is why. Labour Government for the simple folk. Conservative for the office worker. These two groups think of little else only go to work and have a good night out at the weekends, while the fields around them are burning.

[Meshick]

UK became a main base of extreme islamists - WHERE THE FUCK BRITS ARE ?

[staponsa1]

Why is this guy allowed to live in Britain?

If he hates us so much he should be kicked out to a country he doesn't despise.

If you check out some of this guy's websites like islam4UK you'll see what kind of sick plans he has for us.

[evospecies]

Thank you Staponsa, I have put some info from the Islam4UK website on my Evospecies2 channel.

A chilling view on our future indeed!

[evospecies]

This hate-beard says:

At the end of the day, when we say innocent people, we mean Muslims. As far as the non-Muslims concerned, they have not accepted Islam. And as far as we are concerned, that is a crime against us.

OK, so when we say innocent people, we mean Atheists. As far as the non-Atheist people concerned, they have not accepted Atheism. And as far as we are concerned, that is a crime against us.

OK, then why dont we kill those criminal non-Atheists? Because we have ethics?

[HairyEtta]

Similarly for "justice" - for many Muslims it can ONLY mean Sharia (with all it's horrors that for us - the Kuffar - seem utterly absurd, illogical & of course unjust).

And for "knowledge" - probably ONLY referring to Islamic doctrine.

Each speaker is using the same simple words to mean very different things; no wonder they are so worked-up & confused by each other!

See the YouTube channel AhmadsQuran3

for a great series of talks on this very subject!

Long live we Kuffar!

[HairyEtta]

Fascinating video clip getting right to the heart of the problem.

Muslims claim they don't believe in killing "innocent" people. Non-Muslims (we "Kuffar") naïvely trust them & feel reassured, wrongly assuming they're dealing with people holding similar values to themselves. Terrorist (all Muslim) randomly murder, without apparent motive, complete strangers because in Islam you are "guilty" of a serious crime (for which they believe you can be "lawfully" killed) simply by being "al Kuffar"!

[MrFlamable]

Islam is nothing like that guy is talking about.

I do not know how the British government let people like that live.

This guy should be killed.

[evospecies]

Wanting to have the chap killed makes you not very different from the chap in question.

[strop001]

@evospecies

Well 1 less piece of shit isnt a crime when this piece of shit may stir up 1 terrorist capable of killing 10 - 20 people...

I hope the piece of shit and all his family die a agonising death.

[evospecies]

Yah Strop, you may feel this way, but if we would act like that, we would not be better than those practicing the violent aspects of Islam. And we do not want to go there, will we, since we are the good guys?

[MrFlamable]

Something is wrong with this guy and i think that he is getting paid to tell these lies.

[evospecies]

Flamable, this guy is making perfect sense from the viewpoint of the unholy Quran. Only Muslims are innocent, all others rejected Allah and thus are guilty. The Quran leaves no doubt, the unbelievers deserve death and burning in hell. So, killing them is a small matter for a faithful Muslim. This is what Islam is about.

[flertis10]

fucking discrace ! we the british are innocent, they the dirty muslims are the gulity ones. immigration needs to stop ! i bet God looks down at him and thinks, shit, what the fuck have i created. some fat discracful breed that should be wiped out.

[Nazmul99]

That english guys a clear terrorist supporter jus trying to make Muslims look bad, he keeps changing his questions, why doesnt he ask bush and brown and other britsh, american, & israelis "do you condemn british, american & Israeli terrorism?"

Its strange what Anjem said not condeming something thats forbidden. Plus this title is misleading, Anjem never said its legitimate.

[evospecies]

Nazmu, it is very easy to defend Islamic terrorism: non-Muslims are guilty of not having accepted Islam. Therefore, killing non-Muslims is not killing innocent people. If you just accept this, it becomes all very logical. This is what this creepy Mullah states.

Your counterargument is a logical fallacy: justifying immoral action because others also do it. It is a very childish approach.

And yes, this creep implicitly legitimizes his immoral viewpoint, go read his lips!

[Clempt90]

someone should just slot this idiot and do everyone a massive favour

[range4pkin1]

they let him on tv and won't give BNP media coverage... that is not directed against the BNP

[okzidentalCrusader]

Islam is a cultural deadlock!

[uzuragakure]

Who are you to say who is God? Arrogant fuck. For each innocent victim of terrorism, the should execute 10 Muslims.

[uzuragakure]

This is so 15th century....

As far as Muslims are concerned. Islamic laws should be enforced in Islamic countries. Try it in non Muslims countries and face the consequences.

[ThunderAppeal]

The arab says what he thinks and then backpedals like the coward that he is.

He knows he is wrong but he is incapable of having the discipline to tell the difference between right and wrong.

[evospecies]

Thank you for your comment, Mobyca. I agree with you that what he says is totally immoral. The problem is that this chap and others feed these thoughts into the world, and too many believe them and practice their ideas.

Otherwise, it appears that such thoughts are derived of the Quran, and I would appreciate you to tell me which these clear ideas are, that you refer to.

[jihadbuster]

Before you fall for another taquiya, re-read his comment. He chose his words carefully. Mobyca did not specify who he was referring to and did not state his opinion on the matter. Basically he did not say anything at all, but his words sounded good to you. He knows what you want to hear.

[ThunderAppeal]

Muzlimz say it is ok to lie to infidels.

[evospecies]

Oops! I know taquia and the particular verse in the Quran it is based on, but the consequence is that anything a Muslim says, must be suspicious. Where does that lead? I find that rather depressing.

I would be interested to hear from Mobyca which those clear ideas are.

[ThunderAppeal]

Muzlimz say it is ok to lie to infidels.

[mobyca]

Everyone should condemn the killing of civilians. US has admitted killing civilians in Iraq, Pakistan and Afghanistan. So has Israel. How they respond in the media is no different then how this person in the video responded.

[evospecies]

Mobyca, you still have not revealed to us what that clear definition of right and wrong is that Islam has. Must I assume that Islam actually has no clear definition of right and wrong?

[mobyca]

I am a muslim and i do not agree what this person is saying, whats wrong is wrong. and islam has a clear definition of right and wrong. May Allah guide him

[Conan568]

Get out of Islam, you're being deceived and you are worshiping Satan.

This Pr1ck should know that this goes both ways.

Islam has declared war on civilization and it's time we woke up and fought back.

Our freedom and our very lives are at stake.

Mosque-BQs and pork sausages anyone?

[mobyca]

I want to know one christian who has condemned the killing of innocent iraqi civilians(almost 1 million as been killed). or palestnian children and women . where is your civilization at that point. dont be a hypocrite

[Conan568]

You might ask that question of Muslims.

They killed far more of their own people than the US did.

So go ahead ask them, then condemn the actions of Muslim Terrorists here.

If Hamas stopped launching rockets into civilian ares of Israel, things might change.

As usual it's Muslims killing their own then whining about it.

The Palestinians voted for Terrorists to lead them and they're getting exactly what they voted for.

Fuk them.

[evospecies]

"They killed far more of their own people..."

Any statistics or so, Conan568? Anything is welcome.

"If Hamas stopped launching rockets..."

They will never. It will be illuminating to read their 1988 Charter. They have just one goal!

[mobyca]

Hamas is an elected party. No one should have objection to this. Let me clarify this. Hamas is not attacking Israel. but Israel is illegally occupying and expanding into Palestinian territories and Hamas and the people of Palestine are fighting this illegal occupation. Killing civilians is wrong but the media never talks about a muslim civilian casualty. on the other hand they spends hour discussing what dog should president Obama get. We all should condemn civilian killings bottom line

[evospecies]

mobyca, excuse me for only responding after a long time.

I would urge you to read the Hamas 1988 Charter. Your comment just evaporates in the light of this atrocious document.

[KingPeterI]

just because they are white or american dosen't make them Christian.