@lordj15987 And also another morality is that no any army can be victorious far from his land & it's still remains today, i can give you so many examples to be fed up!!! regards
@chiodh: It was Crassus, who was poured molten gold into his throat...but remember, that's only one writers story;the one that you heard probably is from another writer.
@ganixaba no difference, remember, the parthians shot at different angles, high and direct, the shields are not that effective, from different angles.
By breaking formation, there was a chance the roman calvary can fight at almost even terms, if they can make contact before the archers came. Else, they would still lose by attrittion.
@famemonster1993 i agree the romans were savages and "thieves" of culture (from the greeks) . believe me im not saying the following because im greek but because i truly believe it! when alexander invaded the east he treated them as equal! the romans would have them called barbarians and savages as you said! plus i agree that holywood is fake!
@CrimsonGuard1992 They did, but probably very few, maybe 500 of them, part of an auxiliary. Romans were using velites as part of their ranged/skirmisher formations and bowmen were rarely used, mostly in sieges. Anyway, a foot archer is no match for a horse archer, except maybe if they are in great numbers. So Crassus had no antidote for parthians.
@KINGKENNYTHEHOLY yes, that is the popular story. Apparently they did so because of his infamous greed, though it's more likely he died as he did in this video.
I think Spartacus and hes ghosly legions is laughting at their grave by hearing the latest breakest news of marcus crassus grand deafeat by the hands of the parthians army adn their superior military stragety that played a unique part of tearing out the roman seven legion inside out without suffering much casuality, this is goood example of karma playing huge part, and favouring the parthians victory by throwing curses, dread,fear,horrors to break down the romans discipline by 70 folds ;D
@jamesupjimmy and bad for the parthians because the rest of the legion can defend syria so it became a cold war for the next 210 years then comes the war again and rome win after Vologaeses IV. surrender
@VictumRoManius sorry but from that what i know are Parthians destroyed by Marc Aurel 166AD(with 3Legions).... then they became Sassanids in the early middle ages and then Byzantines and Sassanids loose against Arabs
and once again we see life is a game sometimes you win sometimes you loose
@svon1 Hm, thats not what i have read. There was a guy named Ardashir who revolted against the Arsacid king of Parthia and defeated him in the battle of Hormizdegan. In that way the parthians lost and the Sassanids came.
@VictumRoManius and wiki pedia say that was so in 230AD but there loose against real Rome was in 166AD
so parthia would be hit hard by Rome.... so first 53BC they gain there immortal victory agains crassus in 166AD
they lose against marc aurel and in 230AD Ardashir found the sassanids empire which stop the "holy roman empire"(fouded 200AD and uses comitantense instead of legionari) ..,and i repeat life is a game`
The Zaza people are definitely not Kurds. I'm half Kurd, half Zaza and in contrast to the Kurds, who have inhabited the region known as Kurdistan for thousands of years, the Zaza emigrated from the Caspian Sea to Anatolia in around 1000 A.D. They are similarities between both, but they are not the same. Type just the word Zaza into google, and you will get dozens of websites which will support this fact.
The Parthians were not Persians, but Iranian people. That's a difference.
The only remaining descendants of the Parthians are the Zaza and the Gorani people from the southern shores of the Caspian Sea (the Zaza having emigrated to Eastern Anatolia). Todays Farsi belongs to the southwestern branch of the Iranian languages, and Zazaki, which shares the most similarities to the old Parthian, is one of the northwesthern Iranian languages. So, dear Persians, stop abusing the name of Parthia.
@GeneralGrievous18 I have no idea where you get your information,but from what I heard from you ,you must be Kurd and all people know how kurd are ,they have kurdish history ,and if you ask them colombus was half kurd,but if you look for true information you can look in Cambridge History book.
Parthians were Like today Iran from all tribes but they were all Parthians,like today Iranian are Persians,Kurd,
I read somewhere that in what is now Xinjiang a Chinese army found warriors with square shields and strange armor fighting for the Xiong-Nu, who seem to have been the Huns. Apparantly the Parthians enslaved Roman soldiers from Carrahe, using them to fight on the eastern frontier of Parthia. Capturing them, or maybe these Romans escaped, the Huns pressed these Romans into their service.
@Albacorewing I should add that the Chinese did not fight Parthia, and the Parthians preferred to be middlemen in trade. A Chinese army once got close to Iraq though in those days. Parthia as well as China got plenty of trouble from the Huns though.
A few Chinese merchants got to the Middle East, and people remarked that their faces seemd to be from another world.
@Albacorewing Actually the evidence is inconclusive. The Han Chinese records mentions that the infantry in the Xiongnu army are deployed in a 'fish scale formation'. Historians Homer Dubs identified this formation as Roman testudo formation. When historians restudy Chinese texts, the formation is refered to tighly packed infantry formation not necessary Roman testudo formation. There are hardly or no evidence at all to prove Roman presence in China.
@Albacorewing If there are Romans in the Xiongnu army, it is unlikely that they retain Roman Legionary equipment. They are disarmed immediately after being taken prisoner. When they are used to guard the Parthian eastern frontier, these Romans will be issued Parthian military equipment. In the end, if the Han Chinese used them to guard its western frontier, they will be issued Chinese military equipment. Therefore it is impossible to find evidence for Roman presence in China.
@TheKourosh1990 In the first place, Parthians are an Iranian people, just the Medes and Persians were. second place, stop being arrogant with your foolishness. Eqyptians, Greeks, Romans, Chinese , Mayans, and Persians all had great civilizations one time or another. lastly, it was 35, 000 Romans at the battle. please know your facts before posting. it was a great victory for the outnumbered Partians, no doubt. Crassus was a business man not a general or warrior.
@TheKourosh1990 if you want to talk about influencing both West and East, then the Indians (Aryans) would be the culture that has done both. Buddism/Hinduism spread to East Asia. Sanskrit and mythology spread to the West. Indian literature (Ramayana) is the base for Thai, Indonesian, khmer, Burmese literature. Language and music to both West and East. before you call anybody clueless, Parthians supplanted the Persians from power. two different ethnicity sharing a common ancestor.
@TheKourosh1990 Arsaces the first leader of the Parni (Parthians) was of Bactrian/Scythian descent. they were all Iranians sharing the same land, but their culture was mainly a poetic culture, they spoke an Iranian langauge close to the Medes (north-west Iranian). not related to Parsi/Farsi. if you want to glorified Persian civilization, that's fine, but Parthian was unique with its warfare and rural/agricultural lifestyle. their claimed to fame was restoring an indigenous people ruling Iran.
Actually the Parthians were an Persian-Speaking tribe, they spoke middle Persian (Also known as ''Pahlavi'') Which is from the Southwestern Iranian family. The Parthians mission was to drive the Seleucids out of Iran to make a new Persian empire which later became ''the Parthian Empire'' and later evolved to ''Sassanid Empire''. The Parthian people's language was Middle Persian but i'm not sure if they were Persian by blood. They were probably from a northern Iranian Tribe.
@samioa interesting information. i thought they spoke a north-west dialect. I knew that they drove out the Greeks to claimed back Iran with an indigenous dynasty. at least we agree that the Parthians were not Persian. they were Iranian people by classification. what separated them from Persians were their superb horsemanship and warfare style. thx for sharing :)
NOTE: If Persians invade they no one is trying to find exuses why they loose, but if romans loose 2 minutes of the video is used o show why the romans lost.
@sushanalone Well you might've not wanted to compare them but you did just that, so here I take the liberty... I could hardly finish lotr and I only started it in the first place cause a friend wanted to see that pile of garbage.
@andrinho epic trolling, who gives a fuck about a random person's interest in LOTR or 300. if you ask me the same question on my comment , my answer is 1 guy did his/her name is andrihno :P
@sushanalone You make little sense. I gave my opinion as you did yours, after all this is what this space is for, accusing me of trolling and using abusive language just makes you look like a fool. By the way, weren't you the first one posting about your personal views on those movies? Obviously I am not the only one who cares. Please don't answer me and prevent yourself from further em·bar·rass.
@andrinho if you observe my comment i included myself into the"who gives a fuck about a random person's comment" and in a friendly manner tried to seal the unnecessary discussion.mate how about bugger off and avoid yourself the embarrassment of lack of interpretation; Your trolling btw was "Well you might've not wanted to compare them but you did just that" i like to help people with special intellectual needs.
@punongkahoy312 the cataphracts fought for their lands, they were noblemen like medieval knights who were given land by the king in a feudal society. they would come fund armour and equipment and die for keeping their lands. that said they had more power in the feudal system than the one that romans would bring imposing their own roman governers.
Emperor Trajan tried this again some 150 years later. He was victorious and conquered mesopotamia, but fell ill and died soon after. His successor Hadrian decided to retreat again to the old borders
@lucius1976 can you link source from crap what you said?150 year later parthian were no more and sasaniand were in power in persian empire and they were one of superpower of their time.
link: Harvard history book,section persian empire
@lucius1976 He was only victorious on paper. There was constant raids on Roman forts, and supply trains were frequently ambushed. The Romans were limited to a few forts when Hadrian withdrew. Also, the Romans made a third attempt to defeat the Iranians, and even though they won at the gates of the Persian capitol, they were defeated by the same tactics that the cossacks used on Napoleon when he invaded Russia.
That part with the horse archers and cataphracts vs Publius is the part of the battle of Carrhae you play in the Historical Battle in RTW isn't it? There's even a small hill nearby, many people use that to win that battle and 'change history'.
In terms of dramatization there's an interesting novel (somewhere) called The Parthian that includes Carrhae in the narrative. I lost my copy decades ago and can't find any reference to it anywhere. Written by someone called Mack Smith it reads sort of like a Howard Fast who used numerous pen names but that is another dead end.
*ahem* Battles of Amanus Pass and Mount Gindarus. Publius Ventidius Bassus completely and utterly whooped the floor with Parthians. Curious how nobody seems to remember them.
@Wille278 you obvioulsly do, and we also remember them. But the effect of those battles do not compare to the effect this actual battle had on either parties. For the Romans, this was a serious setback. And isn't it enough that people actually remember the Roman Empire. I doubt you'd get any reaction, other than confusion, if you had asked someone about the "Parthian" Empire.
Horse Archers using suppressive fire to pin them down and lower their defences, then attack while their defences are low.... that tactic is still useful today...
they should make a movie about surena: A man of noble birth (the surena family crowned the emperors), fought to defend his land and is a hero. but because of his emperors paranoia was executed. They should do a double story of him AND crassus...
@MidnightSun009 well a brawl broke out under the white flag between the bodyguards of two generals and one was killed, but legend has it that parthians captured him and pourd molten gold down his throat, which was a common punishment for treasion in Parthia -pouring molten lead, but for Crassius's greed they made i t gold as a pinch of sarcasm.
@paymanmktr No, see that would imply that going to war is breaking a peace treaty. If that were the case virtually all countries had broken a treaty and are dishounourable. "Breaking" peace treaty just means you go to war or do you have a different view?
@MidnightSun009 True they were sitting on the Main land trade route between the east and west and trading with both sides as far as china and korea by sea. They ahd a feudal system unlike romans and hence the warriors who faught there werent fighting for glory but for the survival of their power , lands and wealth making them tenacious enemies. plus their unconventional tactics and knowledge of land made it impossible for rome to have any sort of medium or long lasting influence there. :)
@sushanalone you have it wrong, they were fighting for both. They also set the standard for European knights. They also had a fierce training system (schools of which still exist in Iran to this day). The Mounted arrow tactics were practically unbeatable until the invention of gunpowder. The Mongol army used these tactic later on, many cite the sacking of the parthian capital city as a sign of superiority but when you consider they are a nomad peoples the importance of this is naught...
5:32---> i think its chronicled that Crassius was killed by pouring molten gold into his mouth: because the Parthians thought his greed to be the cause of war having requested several Treaties and offers befroe to him while he was advancing into their lands.
<Edited>Such a choreogrhaphed battle, kudos to the Parthians, that said Rome/the West was never able to assert its power past near mediterranean syria and pontus all the way to 1800 AD though they sacked the parthian capital once. That was constructive as it conserved and gave rise to a totally different culture we see today in the area.
A portion of ten thousand Roman prisoners were used to guard the Parthians' eastern frontier against Central Asian nomads. According historian Homer Dubs, some of them joined or forced to serve the Xiongnu nomads to raid Han Chinese territories. 150 Roman soldiers were captured and were used by the Han Chinese to guard its western frontier. A community of Chinese people with Caucasian features claimed descent from these Romans.
He was born wealthy - lost it all then got it back by taking property from criminals - legal at that time.
One of the richest to have ever lived he used to buy entire districts of Rome when they were on fire (this happened a lot and the fires were just left to burn out) for cheap as the owners would loose everything anyway in the fire and then once the deal was settled he brought in his private 500 man fire fighting army to put the fires out!
Its also thought that after this battle some of his troops - too scared to return to Rome wandered Asia finally settling in central China. Helmets have been found in the area and also Chinese writings of troops using the testudo formation in a battle there. There is also a reference in the writings to something called Li Jien (legion). Seems unfair that Pompey and J Caesar are so well known and not this guy.
Roman prisoners were already striped of their arms and equipment by the Parthians when they were captured. They would be equiped in Chinese armour and weapons if the Han Chinese installed them as border guards. It is unlikely to find Roman military equipment on Chinese archeological site. Chinese records mentioned fish-scale formation and the term used to describe tightly pack infantry formation. It is possible that the fish-scale formation is misidentified as testudo formation.
@bobbyhelmet2 Hardly putting out fires, wrecking all the perfectly safe buildings around the hazarded area in order to stop the fire spreading. Btw, he would "negotiate" the price on those nearby properties as well before ordering them to the ground.
I dont think so.. Crassus is no where near as glorious as other ancient figures. Aside from quelling Spartacus he did not accomplish much. He is mostly viewed as a villain anyway, so making a movie where he would be the protagonist would be challenging.
@liner986 would be cool if they did, but they won’t. There are political agendas in play right now and highlighting Iranian victories goes against the propaganda war of the west, especially the US!
Also there were several times that the "historians" were "Unfortunate" that roman lost the war ( the war that Roman opened) and I think the true historian should be fair and balanced.
that was an unbalanced clip or way of delivering history. in entire clip they never mentioned that parthian army was out number 4 to 1 and also most of their army were bow man were volunteer and their actual army was only 1000 and that means Sorena was one of the greatest general in the world history and that never mentioned either .
Pompeii and Caesar were actualy good friends, Caesar was popular with the people and Pompeii, the Senate, so the senate went to Pompeii and said "look you gotta kill caesar or hes gonna kill you!" So Pompeii attacked Caesar and Caesar attacked back
Ceaser actually went back and avenged Crassus death. The Parthians, by stopping the romans, were able to maintain the trade routes between China and Europe. It wasn't until the 15 Century that Europe was able to, cut the middle East out, by sailing around it to India, China, and Japan.
Damn, Parthia got so owned by the romans that they became the Sassanid, how many times it's capital was sacked? Didn't the Romans burned it palace to the ground?... Anyway, the Sassanid started to try with no sucess conquer roman territories and while it was conquered by the arabs the East Roman Empire or Byzantine Empire remained for centuries.
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Don't get me wrong, I love the persians empires, I just think that the Roman Empire is in a all other level of greatness.
of course you would say stuff like this. You identify yourself with the romans and not the persians.
The persians deserve much more credit from the west for their contribution to civilization than they actually receive. Parthia had several capital cities. So an army so large can not always be at a city. conquering a city and burning it is not a victory. Defeating the army would be a victory.Also Arabs didnt have the power to defeat both romans and Persians,so they took the one that was closer.
So the fact that Persians lost to Arabs didnt mean that romans were stronger then Persians, it just meant romans were luckier. Had the arabs concentrated on the romans they would have certainly wiped out the roman empire, as i am sure you know that the eastern roman empire lost lots of land to arabs even after half of the arab army was lost in battles to conquer Persia. and arabs took parts of Europe too. So please dont patronize us ok. we know what we did and didnt.
another thing you dont understand is that rome was positioned very well, if you look at the map persia is surrounded by its enemies while constantinople has a see to protect itself
thats true but if you count the byzantine empire and the western roman empire as one, then you might as well count the parthians and the sassanids one empire
persian had a 700 year war with roman and at the same time with mogols and eastern enemy and some times arabs got dengerous.people from north also attacked persia. As i know for eastern enemies were more dangerous for persia because all their capitals were in in west and so close to roman.
at first parthian wanted to talked to roman , but when crassus came with bodyguards and weapons they killed him. in iran when enemies wanted to talk they went without weapon and budygurds(iran= Parthia )
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Comico-tragic dialogue... :D
@4:00 - @4:13
Poor Crassus! ;) He ended up being a prop in a Greek play! :D
@5:27 - @5:47
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alxxz 5 days ago
And the moral of this story? You never fight an army of cavalry and horse archers with an army of infantry.
lordj15987 2 weeks ago
@lordj15987 And also another morality is that no any army can be victorious far from his land & it's still remains today, i can give you so many examples to be fed up!!! regards
Dariushparis 2 weeks ago
@Dariushparis He can be victorious if ready, most aren't
MateusVIII 2 weeks ago
I had no idea A Testudo Formation Could Move in RTW...
nanoleopard201 1 month ago
WHAT????? Crassus wasn't killed in a scuffle, he went to talk with Surena but was killed by molten gold pured down his throat, or so i've read
TalonMercenary 1 month ago 3
@TalonMercenary Thats not him. Its a different story.
chiodh 1 month ago
@chiodh: It was Crassus, who was poured molten gold into his throat...but remember, that's only one writers story;the one that you heard probably is from another writer.
tekatetikitiki 2 weeks ago
@TalonMercenary Are you talking about Game of Thrones?
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@TalonMercenary: I've read the same story as yours, man; Crassus was poured molten gold....
tekatetikitiki 2 weeks ago
Rules for fighting the Parthians:
1. Never, ever break formation - the Romans should have fucking knew that
2. Keep those shields UP
ganixaba 2 months ago
@ganixaba no difference, remember, the parthians shot at different angles, high and direct, the shields are not that effective, from different angles.
By breaking formation, there was a chance the roman calvary can fight at almost even terms, if they can make contact before the archers came. Else, they would still lose by attrittion.
chiodh 1 month ago
Long live for Parthia!!!!
tibisten 3 months ago
I'm not old! >:(
EvilFingerTeacher 4 months ago in playlist Decisive Battles
Typical old Crassus, going into something without the slightest clue...
OLD!
Go warrior, go!
Old...
EvilFingerTeacher 4 months ago in playlist Decisive Battles
EvilFingerTeacher:
Old sheep on the block.
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1:43 those are sarmatian cavalry not cataphracts! lol
JamesGamesish 5 months ago
@JamesGamesish technically Sarmatians are an Iranic people ;-)
Shahin2102 4 months ago
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3:40 did anyone notice the cataphract getting shot by a friendly arrow? XD
jasim1996 5 months ago
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jasim1996 5 months ago
BEST SERIES EVER OR WHAT?
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@famemonster1993 i agree the romans were savages and "thieves" of culture (from the greeks) . believe me im not saying the following because im greek but because i truly believe it! when alexander invaded the east he treated them as equal! the romans would have them called barbarians and savages as you said! plus i agree that holywood is fake!
ThelastSpartan234 6 months ago
@famemonster1993
It's always the Jews fault isn't it?
electroenzo 6 months ago
no persian king cyrus saved the jews from babylon...........the romans occupied and killed many, but europeans always say roman enemies are savages
Mushroomer10203 6 months ago
@famemonster1993 THEY ARE ALL SAVAGES!!!!
purefatdude2 6 months ago
TESTUDO!!!!
purefatdude2 6 months ago
@purefatdude2
The arrows of the parthians were armor-piercing ... so there was no way the romans would have survived it.
kickassemperor 6 months ago
@kickassemperor yes, it pierce their body armor, not the shield.
purefatdude2 6 months ago
@purefatdude2
And if they got into testudo formation ... the cataphracs could have owned them :P
kickassemperor 6 months ago
@kickassemperor hehehe not really
purefatdude2 6 months ago
@andyhuangit sassanids, yes.
Shahin2102 6 months ago
i thought he had molten gold poured down his throat? not decapitated?
MrQwer32 7 months ago
@ConsvrgoTitanvRomani Tell me were i can get Europa barbarorum?
david882011 7 months ago
@andyhuangit actually it was some 200-300 years later.
LORDMEHMOODPASHA 7 months ago
Don't the romans have archers of their own to fire back at the parthians?
CrimsonGuard1992 7 months ago
@CrimsonGuard1992 They did, but probably very few, maybe 500 of them, part of an auxiliary. Romans were using velites as part of their ranged/skirmisher formations and bowmen were rarely used, mostly in sieges. Anyway, a foot archer is no match for a horse archer, except maybe if they are in great numbers. So Crassus had no antidote for parthians.
Zamolxes77 7 months ago
Didn't they use testudo?
Muffinfordinner 7 months ago
They should make a game like this, it would be cool
uuhCantThinkOfAName 8 months ago
@uuhCantThinkOfAName
It's called Rome Total War, man. It's awesome.
EgyptPrinceOf 8 months ago
I just love shooting enemies fleeing for their lives in the back, lol!!!!!!!!
He101A 8 months ago
Persians are Romans Fought with Each Other and Third Party ''Arabs'' Came and Conquered both ... Sad History
astalivista121 8 months ago
Romans got pwned! lol
Spider58x 9 months ago
Kiting the romans!
vampiricalchemist 9 months ago
I heard tales of the parthians pouring molten gold down Crasus's throat..
KINGKENNYTHEHOLY 9 months ago
@KINGKENNYTHEHOLY yes, that is the popular story. Apparently they did so because of his infamous greed, though it's more likely he died as he did in this video.
vguyver2 8 months ago
I think Spartacus and hes ghosly legions is laughting at their grave by hearing the latest breakest news of marcus crassus grand deafeat by the hands of the parthians army adn their superior military stragety that played a unique part of tearing out the roman seven legion inside out without suffering much casuality, this is goood example of karma playing huge part, and favouring the parthians victory by throwing curses, dread,fear,horrors to break down the romans discipline by 70 folds ;D
Vanessafv86 9 months ago
but parthia can be proud it was the only rich state which live so long at the roman border..not least thanks to the "pax romana" roman peace
svon1 9 months ago
long live parthia long live persiaa....
arian40 9 months ago
Use testudo -.-
LightShadow9 10 months ago
@LightShadow9 yeh they did, but the composite bow still punched through shields into hands and limbs. the Romans had countless walking wounded
jamesupjimmy 9 months ago
bad for Crassus good for Ceaser
svon1 10 months ago
@svon1 but bad for Caesar that Cassius survived :P
jamesupjimmy 9 months ago
@jamesupjimmy and bad for the parthians because the rest of the legion can defend syria so it became a cold war for the next 210 years then comes the war again and rome win after Vologaeses IV. surrender
svon1 9 months ago
@svon1 ok don't suck up your own ass too much pal
jamesupjimmy 9 months ago
@svon1 Nope, because the Parthians "turned" to Sassanids.
But then Arabs came and powned both Sassanids and Byzantines. :(
VictumRoManius 8 months ago
@VictumRoManius sorry but from that what i know are Parthians destroyed by Marc Aurel 166AD(with 3Legions).... then they became Sassanids in the early middle ages and then Byzantines and Sassanids loose against Arabs
and once again we see life is a game sometimes you win sometimes you loose
svon1 8 months ago
@svon1 Hm, thats not what i have read. There was a guy named Ardashir who revolted against the Arsacid king of Parthia and defeated him in the battle of Hormizdegan. In that way the parthians lost and the Sassanids came.
VictumRoManius 8 months ago
@VictumRoManius and wiki pedia say that was so in 230AD but there loose against real Rome was in 166AD
so parthia would be hit hard by Rome.... so first 53BC they gain there immortal victory agains crassus in 166AD
they lose against marc aurel and in 230AD Ardashir found the sassanids empire which stop the "holy roman empire"(fouded 200AD and uses comitantense instead of legionari) ..,and i repeat life is a game`
svon1 8 months ago
the moral of the story?
if you are a political/financial guy,stay that way.dont go off changing career,ESPECIALLY not into military
ulongkoror 10 months ago
@ulongkoror uhhuh
langkaers09 9 months ago
@paymanmktr
The Zaza people are definitely not Kurds. I'm half Kurd, half Zaza and in contrast to the Kurds, who have inhabited the region known as Kurdistan for thousands of years, the Zaza emigrated from the Caspian Sea to Anatolia in around 1000 A.D. They are similarities between both, but they are not the same. Type just the word Zaza into google, and you will get dozens of websites which will support this fact.
GeneralGrievous18 10 months ago
The Parthians were not Persians, but Iranian people. That's a difference.
The only remaining descendants of the Parthians are the Zaza and the Gorani people from the southern shores of the Caspian Sea (the Zaza having emigrated to Eastern Anatolia). Todays Farsi belongs to the southwestern branch of the Iranian languages, and Zazaki, which shares the most similarities to the old Parthian, is one of the northwesthern Iranian languages. So, dear Persians, stop abusing the name of Parthia.
GeneralGrievous18 10 months ago
@GeneralGrievous18 I have no idea where you get your information,but from what I heard from you ,you must be Kurd and all people know how kurd are ,they have kurdish history ,and if you ask them colombus was half kurd,but if you look for true information you can look in Cambridge History book.
Parthians were Like today Iran from all tribes but they were all Parthians,like today Iranian are Persians,Kurd,
Azeri,Lore,.........
But so was Romans and other ancient powers.
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Albacorewing 11 months ago
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And in turn the Chinese captured these Romans. Some peoples in Central Asia still claim descent from such Romans.
Albacorewing 11 months ago
I read somewhere that in what is now Xinjiang a Chinese army found warriors with square shields and strange armor fighting for the Xiong-Nu, who seem to have been the Huns. Apparantly the Parthians enslaved Roman soldiers from Carrahe, using them to fight on the eastern frontier of Parthia. Capturing them, or maybe these Romans escaped, the Huns pressed these Romans into their service.
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@Albacorewing I should add that the Chinese did not fight Parthia, and the Parthians preferred to be middlemen in trade. A Chinese army once got close to Iraq though in those days. Parthia as well as China got plenty of trouble from the Huns though.
A few Chinese merchants got to the Middle East, and people remarked that their faces seemd to be from another world.
Albacorewing 11 months ago
@Albacorewing Actually the evidence is inconclusive. The Han Chinese records mentions that the infantry in the Xiongnu army are deployed in a 'fish scale formation'. Historians Homer Dubs identified this formation as Roman testudo formation. When historians restudy Chinese texts, the formation is refered to tighly packed infantry formation not necessary Roman testudo formation. There are hardly or no evidence at all to prove Roman presence in China.
MrLantean 10 months ago
@Albacorewing If there are Romans in the Xiongnu army, it is unlikely that they retain Roman Legionary equipment. They are disarmed immediately after being taken prisoner. When they are used to guard the Parthian eastern frontier, these Romans will be issued Parthian military equipment. In the end, if the Han Chinese used them to guard its western frontier, they will be issued Chinese military equipment. Therefore it is impossible to find evidence for Roman presence in China.
MrLantean 10 months ago
Persians always been better than any other ciivlizaiton
we just demolished the entire Romans armies
Parthians just had 10000 Catapracht and archer horses while romans had the 60000 well trained and advanced legions!
TheKourosh1990 11 months ago
@TheKourosh1990 In the first place, Parthians are an Iranian people, just the Medes and Persians were. second place, stop being arrogant with your foolishness. Eqyptians, Greeks, Romans, Chinese , Mayans, and Persians all had great civilizations one time or another. lastly, it was 35, 000 Romans at the battle. please know your facts before posting. it was a great victory for the outnumbered Partians, no doubt. Crassus was a business man not a general or warrior.
lacviet 11 months ago
@lacviet
so, what you said just approved my point
XD
YES THEY ARE ALL GREAT, i do give credit to what they did, but Persians have had the remarkable influences from east to west.
TheKourosh1990 11 months ago
@TheKourosh1990 if you want to talk about influencing both West and East, then the Indians (Aryans) would be the culture that has done both. Buddism/Hinduism spread to East Asia. Sanskrit and mythology spread to the West. Indian literature (Ramayana) is the base for Thai, Indonesian, khmer, Burmese literature. Language and music to both West and East. before you call anybody clueless, Parthians supplanted the Persians from power. two different ethnicity sharing a common ancestor.
lacviet 11 months ago
@TheKourosh1990 Arsaces the first leader of the Parni (Parthians) was of Bactrian/Scythian descent. they were all Iranians sharing the same land, but their culture was mainly a poetic culture, they spoke an Iranian langauge close to the Medes (north-west Iranian). not related to Parsi/Farsi. if you want to glorified Persian civilization, that's fine, but Parthian was unique with its warfare and rural/agricultural lifestyle. their claimed to fame was restoring an indigenous people ruling Iran.
lacviet 11 months ago
@lacviet
Actually the Parthians were an Persian-Speaking tribe, they spoke middle Persian (Also known as ''Pahlavi'') Which is from the Southwestern Iranian family. The Parthians mission was to drive the Seleucids out of Iran to make a new Persian empire which later became ''the Parthian Empire'' and later evolved to ''Sassanid Empire''. The Parthian people's language was Middle Persian but i'm not sure if they were Persian by blood. They were probably from a northern Iranian Tribe.
samioa 11 months ago
@samioa interesting information. i thought they spoke a north-west dialect. I knew that they drove out the Greeks to claimed back Iran with an indigenous dynasty. at least we agree that the Parthians were not Persian. they were Iranian people by classification. what separated them from Persians were their superb horsemanship and warfare style. thx for sharing :)
lacviet 11 months ago
@lacviet
Parthians are Iranian and no question about it! Parthians are from nomad Aryan tribes like Persians and Medians
i don't know why you send this comment to me! clueless!!!
TheKourosh1990 11 months ago
@lacviet
lacviet 11 months ago
Nothing about the gold poured down Crassus' throat after he'd been killed? Could that just be one of histories rumors?
Ninjaheman 1 year ago
NOTE: If Persians invade they no one is trying to find exuses why they loose, but if romans loose 2 minutes of the video is used o show why the romans lost.
Quit unfair for a history channel.
VictumRoManius 1 year ago
Hehe this battle is so awesome!
10000 Rersians vs 60000 Romans!
I love both civilizations, but this battle is clearly a new Canae for the Romans!
Persia FTW!
VictumRoManius 1 year ago
cant they get the right cavalry model for the cataphracts ffs
lol
LewisTee08 1 year ago
i wont compare 00 and lord of the rings, though a work of fiction LOTR is far more superior. 300 is 1 time watch but one can watch LOTR many times .
sushanalone 1 year ago
@sushanalone Well you might've not wanted to compare them but you did just that, so here I take the liberty... I could hardly finish lotr and I only started it in the first place cause a friend wanted to see that pile of garbage.
andrinho 1 year ago
@andrinho epic trolling, who gives a fuck about a random person's interest in LOTR or 300. if you ask me the same question on my comment , my answer is 1 guy did his/her name is andrihno :P
sushanalone 1 year ago
@sushanalone You make little sense. I gave my opinion as you did yours, after all this is what this space is for, accusing me of trolling and using abusive language just makes you look like a fool. By the way, weren't you the first one posting about your personal views on those movies? Obviously I am not the only one who cares. Please don't answer me and prevent yourself from further em·bar·rass.
andrinho 1 year ago
@andrinho if you observe my comment i included myself into the"who gives a fuck about a random person's comment" and in a friendly manner tried to seal the unnecessary discussion.mate how about bugger off and avoid yourself the embarrassment of lack of interpretation; Your trolling btw was "Well you might've not wanted to compare them but you did just that" i like to help people with special intellectual needs.
sushanalone 1 year ago
oh didnt the parthians pour molten gold down Crassius's throat as a punishment of breaking the peace and personal greed?
sushanalone 1 year ago
I think in this battle Surenas or whatever the parthian general was ; outdid the military strat of Alexander in Issus.
sushanalone 1 year ago
or crassus, the richest man in rome,could have bribed the cataphracts and that would win the war.
punongkahoy312 1 year ago
@punongkahoy312 the cataphracts fought for their lands, they were noblemen like medieval knights who were given land by the king in a feudal society. they would come fund armour and equipment and die for keeping their lands. that said they had more power in the feudal system than the one that romans would bring imposing their own roman governers.
sushanalone 1 year ago
2:49 nice slide!
lilantug 1 year ago 5
I always thought that Crassus died by molten gold poured down his throat, not in the actual battle like the documentary says
zvonimir89 1 year ago
can you imagine if somehow the romans wan at Carrhae? The empire could have ACTUALLY conquered into India and China!!! WOW!
Senorize 1 year ago
@Senorize
Emperor Trajan tried this again some 150 years later. He was victorious and conquered mesopotamia, but fell ill and died soon after. His successor Hadrian decided to retreat again to the old borders
lucius1976 1 year ago
@lucius1976 can you link source from crap what you said?150 year later parthian were no more and sasaniand were in power in persian empire and they were one of superpower of their time.
link: Harvard history book,section persian empire
paymanmktr 1 year ago
@paymanmktr
Excuse me. That is no crap. Carrhae was 53 BC, Trajan died in 117 AD. So, somewhat 150 years later.
To further correct you the Partian Empire lasted until 224 AD.
Do not insult others. Especially if you lack the facts to back it up
lucius1976 1 year ago
@lucius1976 He was only victorious on paper. There was constant raids on Roman forts, and supply trains were frequently ambushed. The Romans were limited to a few forts when Hadrian withdrew. Also, the Romans made a third attempt to defeat the Iranians, and even though they won at the gates of the Persian capitol, they were defeated by the same tactics that the cossacks used on Napoleon when he invaded Russia.
mommasboy8879 1 year ago
Ever notice how the majority of Rome's Military disasters are lead by stupid, corrupt, arrogant commanders?
fireball973 1 year ago
@fireball973 power corrupts... there are no exceptions in nationalities and time
Shahin2102 1 year ago
That part with the horse archers and cataphracts vs Publius is the part of the battle of Carrhae you play in the Historical Battle in RTW isn't it? There's even a small hill nearby, many people use that to win that battle and 'change history'.
giygasattack 1 year ago
Wish they would make another documentary series like this, but with Empire: Total War and on 18th century/Napoleonic battles.
Guderian41 1 year ago
In terms of dramatization there's an interesting novel (somewhere) called The Parthian that includes Carrhae in the narrative. I lost my copy decades ago and can't find any reference to it anywhere. Written by someone called Mack Smith it reads sort of like a Howard Fast who used numerous pen names but that is another dead end.
yamsid 1 year ago
*ahem* Battles of Amanus Pass and Mount Gindarus. Publius Ventidius Bassus completely and utterly whooped the floor with Parthians. Curious how nobody seems to remember them.
Wille278 1 year ago
@Wille278 you obvioulsly do, and we also remember them. But the effect of those battles do not compare to the effect this actual battle had on either parties. For the Romans, this was a serious setback. And isn't it enough that people actually remember the Roman Empire. I doubt you'd get any reaction, other than confusion, if you had asked someone about the "Parthian" Empire.
jessicalba7 1 year ago
Marg bar Macedonia
MamaliHefazi1 1 year ago
Some sources said that Crassus alone possessed a wealth o f 1.79 Trillion US Dollars
AqworldsWiki 1 year ago
Hah.... Crassus was to arrogant to talk... he was captured and had gold poured down his mouth...
FaakedLillebror 1 year ago
does any1 wish they could be a king of a nation and go 2 war with rome :P
ReVoLuTiOnBoYzZ 1 year ago
Horse Archers using suppressive fire to pin them down and lower their defences, then attack while their defences are low.... that tactic is still useful today...
IanSumallo 1 year ago
they should make a movie about surena: A man of noble birth (the surena family crowned the emperors), fought to defend his land and is a hero. but because of his emperors paranoia was executed. They should do a double story of him AND crassus...
supersymbiotic 1 year ago
Wait, the Parthians killed men under white flag? Thats not cool.
MidnightSun009 1 year ago
@MidnightSun009 well a brawl broke out under the white flag between the bodyguards of two generals and one was killed, but legend has it that parthians captured him and pourd molten gold down his throat, which was a common punishment for treasion in Parthia -pouring molten lead, but for Crassius's greed they made i t gold as a pinch of sarcasm.
sushanalone 1 year ago
@sushanalone Haha, I thought Crassus execution wasn't a common one. Those Parthians had way too much gold.
MidnightSun009 1 year ago
@MidnightSun009 maybe but rome and parthian had peace agreement and roman broke that
paymanmktr 1 year ago
@paymanmktr No, see that would imply that going to war is breaking a peace treaty. If that were the case virtually all countries had broken a treaty and are dishounourable. "Breaking" peace treaty just means you go to war or do you have a different view?
MidnightSun009 1 year ago
@MidnightSun009 True they were sitting on the Main land trade route between the east and west and trading with both sides as far as china and korea by sea. They ahd a feudal system unlike romans and hence the warriors who faught there werent fighting for glory but for the survival of their power , lands and wealth making them tenacious enemies. plus their unconventional tactics and knowledge of land made it impossible for rome to have any sort of medium or long lasting influence there. :)
sushanalone 1 year ago
@sushanalone Land Trade Route*
sushanalone 1 year ago
@sushanalone you have it wrong, they were fighting for both. They also set the standard for European knights. They also had a fierce training system (schools of which still exist in Iran to this day). The Mounted arrow tactics were practically unbeatable until the invention of gunpowder. The Mongol army used these tactic later on, many cite the sacking of the parthian capital city as a sign of superiority but when you consider they are a nomad peoples the importance of this is naught...
supersymbiotic 1 year ago
5:32---> i think its chronicled that Crassius was killed by pouring molten gold into his mouth: because the Parthians thought his greed to be the cause of war having requested several Treaties and offers befroe to him while he was advancing into their lands.
sushanalone 1 year ago
@sushanalone Tes, I wonder. What did really happen? Is that just a legend?
MidnightSun009 1 year ago
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<Edited>Such a choreogrhaphed battle, kudos to the Parthians, that said Rome/the West was never able to assert its power past near mediterranean syria and pontus all the way to 1800 AD though they sacked the parthian capital once. That was constructive as it conserved and gave rise to a totally different culture we see today in the area.
sushanalone 1 year ago
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sushanalone 1 year ago
Ronald Mellor pisses me off
B3ASTxIFLU 1 year ago
Fucking arrows...
TemplarOfNight 1 year ago
long live Surena.
Crassus picked up vs the wrong guy lol
karimi79 1 year ago
i thought they captured crassus and melted gold into his mounth?
rolle16 1 year ago
@rolle16
They did that first, cut off his head, and then used his head as a stage prop in a production of Euripides's The Bacchae.
RiflemanIII 1 year ago
LoL! : )
@4:06 - 4:11, "We really want to talk, everything will be ok... let's talk, let's talk.... you should talk"
Poor Crassus, he ended up being a prop in a Greek tragedy at the theatre. ;)
alxxz 1 year ago
make a movie,the sun would shine upon their gleaming armor
punongkahoy312 1 year ago
this isn't the Roman Empire, this is before the Empire.
Dogmeat1950 1 year ago 2
CRASSUS - ASSHOLE
AvengefulAngel 1 year ago
A portion of ten thousand Roman prisoners were used to guard the Parthians' eastern frontier against Central Asian nomads. According historian Homer Dubs, some of them joined or forced to serve the Xiongnu nomads to raid Han Chinese territories. 150 Roman soldiers were captured and were used by the Han Chinese to guard its western frontier. A community of Chinese people with Caucasian features claimed descent from these Romans.
MrAtlantean 1 year ago
I think it was a little bit cheesy that they used Rome Total War. i would have thought that the HISTORY CHANNEL would have more budget/money.
RostamParsi 1 year ago
This series was a promotion for the game Rome Total War.
wokani 1 year ago
sassanids parthians all secusesers of the persian empire that fougt alexander.
moviejojojo 1 year ago 2
they could mak an awesome war movie about this man, similar to 300 and lord of the rings
liner986 2 years ago 29
i doubt it.
mongoose100989 2 years ago
They could make a good movie about this guy.
He was born wealthy - lost it all then got it back by taking property from criminals - legal at that time.
One of the richest to have ever lived he used to buy entire districts of Rome when they were on fire (this happened a lot and the fires were just left to burn out) for cheap as the owners would loose everything anyway in the fire and then once the deal was settled he brought in his private 500 man fire fighting army to put the fires out!
bobbyhelmet2 1 year ago 17
Its also thought that after this battle some of his troops - too scared to return to Rome wandered Asia finally settling in central China. Helmets have been found in the area and also Chinese writings of troops using the testudo formation in a battle there. There is also a reference in the writings to something called Li Jien (legion). Seems unfair that Pompey and J Caesar are so well known and not this guy.
bobbyhelmet2 1 year ago 2
well he kinda sucked at military strategy but he was pretty smart
TheWoodstock2009 1 year ago
Roman prisoners were already striped of their arms and equipment by the Parthians when they were captured. They would be equiped in Chinese armour and weapons if the Han Chinese installed them as border guards. It is unlikely to find Roman military equipment on Chinese archeological site. Chinese records mentioned fish-scale formation and the term used to describe tightly pack infantry formation. It is possible that the fish-scale formation is misidentified as testudo formation.
MrAtlantean 1 year ago
@bobbyhelmet2 i know...
TheRugbyfullback 1 year ago
@bobbyhelmet2 Hardly putting out fires, wrecking all the perfectly safe buildings around the hazarded area in order to stop the fire spreading. Btw, he would "negotiate" the price on those nearby properties as well before ordering them to the ground.
andrinho 1 year ago
I just hope its better than 300.
Koguryeo19 1 year ago 2
I dont think so.. Crassus is no where near as glorious as other ancient figures. Aside from quelling Spartacus he did not accomplish much. He is mostly viewed as a villain anyway, so making a movie where he would be the protagonist would be challenging.
Tavi13 1 year ago
@liner986 if it's anything like 300 it will be nothing like the true story
epearl8 1 year ago
@liner986 Actually there is a Lord of the Rings fan made mod of the same software shown here. Its free, just Google Lord of the Rings Total War.
BroyhillVideo 1 year ago
@BroyhillVideo He was talking about films not mods
Pawnbroker00 1 year ago
@liner986 would be cool if they did, but they won’t. There are political agendas in play right now and highlighting Iranian victories goes against the propaganda war of the west, especially the US!
NimaSun 1 year ago
oh go no not a movie, they will only turn it into anti-Iranian propaganda like 300...
supersymbiotic 1 year ago
@supersymbiotic thanks for saying what every sensed person thinks, I facepalmed when I saw the comment about 300
AlexOfMacedonAOMH 1 year ago
@liner986 the 300 and the lord of the rings great war movies? wtf are you on!
histatimaniples 11 months ago
Also there were several times that the "historians" were "Unfortunate" that roman lost the war ( the war that Roman opened) and I think the true historian should be fair and balanced.
afsheen1354 2 years ago
that was an unbalanced clip or way of delivering history. in entire clip they never mentioned that parthian army was out number 4 to 1 and also most of their army were bow man were volunteer and their actual army was only 1000 and that means Sorena was one of the greatest general in the world history and that never mentioned either .
afsheen1354 2 years ago
Pompeii and Caesar were actualy good friends, Caesar was popular with the people and Pompeii, the Senate, so the senate went to Pompeii and said "look you gotta kill caesar or hes gonna kill you!" So Pompeii attacked Caesar and Caesar attacked back
spinynorman230 2 years ago
I love the way you have used Rome Total War to show it (Y)
JonisThatIsMe 2 years ago
Ceaser actually went back and avenged Crassus death. The Parthians, by stopping the romans, were able to maintain the trade routes between China and Europe. It wasn't until the 15 Century that Europe was able to, cut the middle East out, by sailing around it to India, China, and Japan.
Rainbowshow 2 years ago
fuck crassus go trajan
lion3p0 2 years ago
Damn, Parthia got so owned by the romans that they became the Sassanid, how many times it's capital was sacked? Didn't the Romans burned it palace to the ground?... Anyway, the Sassanid started to try with no sucess conquer roman territories and while it was conquered by the arabs the East Roman Empire or Byzantine Empire remained for centuries.
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Don't get me wrong, I love the persians empires, I just think that the Roman Empire is in a all other level of greatness.
padamibr 2 years ago 4
give me a break!
Rainbowshow 2 years ago
of course you would say stuff like this. You identify yourself with the romans and not the persians.
The persians deserve much more credit from the west for their contribution to civilization than they actually receive. Parthia had several capital cities. So an army so large can not always be at a city. conquering a city and burning it is not a victory. Defeating the army would be a victory.Also Arabs didnt have the power to defeat both romans and Persians,so they took the one that was closer.
ghermez11 2 years ago
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So the fact that Persians lost to Arabs didnt mean that romans were stronger then Persians, it just meant romans were luckier. Had the arabs concentrated on the romans they would have certainly wiped out the roman empire, as i am sure you know that the eastern roman empire lost lots of land to arabs even after half of the arab army was lost in battles to conquer Persia. and arabs took parts of Europe too. So please dont patronize us ok. we know what we did and didnt.
ghermez11 2 years ago
yeah yeah this is you saying.
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the east roman empire survived for more 8 centuries, thats not lucky.
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and I give the persians credit, but the romans were much greater.
padamibr 2 years ago 3
another thing you dont understand is that rome was positioned very well, if you look at the map persia is surrounded by its enemies while constantinople has a see to protect itself
killzonephx 2 years ago
@killzonephx yes, its a point, however rome didnt lost its lands in asia untill the arabs conquests... and even then, it keeped asia minor.
padamibr 2 years ago
thats true but if you count the byzantine empire and the western roman empire as one, then you might as well count the parthians and the sassanids one empire
killzonephx 2 years ago
persian had a 700 year war with roman and at the same time with mogols and eastern enemy and some times arabs got dengerous.people from north also attacked persia. As i know for eastern enemies were more dangerous for persia because all their capitals were in in west and so close to roman.
danielkachal 2 years ago
at first parthian wanted to talked to roman , but when crassus came with bodyguards and weapons they killed him. in iran when enemies wanted to talk they went without weapon and budygurds(iran= Parthia )
danielkachal 2 years ago
Europa barbarorum is so much better. vanilla is sooooo mainstream and fake. like 300.
FlamingLion116 2 years ago
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Shroshoe 2 years ago
Friend, this is the History Channel. I'd trust this more than your ninth grade history class.
GuitaristontheFloor 2 years ago 4