Yourofsky Ga Tech "Humans are Herbivores" Sept. 9, 2009

[JScott1266]

The pro meat eating/anti veganism arguments are so incredibly ignorant that they are hardly worth responding to.

[Biohazard8714]

Do you actually think early humans would be capable to perform necessary tasks, withstand disease or even farm vegetables without the benefits of meat?

There were no supplements, how did they know nuts had protein? It's obvious that if we did not eat meat we'd all be killed by a flu.

[Biohazard8714]

Why would marooned humans instinctively hunt animals when they could tear off some leaves and eat them.

Name one herbivore with canines

[celt130]

The only thing he can talk about is his own idea, his own philosophy.

For the rest of the usual arguments you hear coming from this side well they are mostly proven wrong by scientific evidence.

Now I wonder why they never talk about the millions wild rats and mice that are killed either when there food is harvested or the ones who are killed and tortured to keep humans disease free and stop them eating our food.

Why does this movement always have 2 faces and 2 ways of acting towards animals?

[TheTvrulesthenation]

celt130

Philosophy=/= science in the sense you are using it (ethics cannot be debunked by science a tool of learning through testable means)

Following a similar line of logic, an ineffeciency in harvesting does not equate to a flaw in the vegan philosophy NOR intentional slaughter, no more than the reality that child labor will likely always exist means humanitarian causes are flawed.

[celt130]

@TheTvrulesthenation

"Following a similar line of logic, an ineffeciency in harvesting"

I wonder how are you going to harvest on another way then today and how are you going to stop them losing there habitat so predators can no longer kill them if you do not want to eat.

You do not argument about those who are poisoned or trapped to protect our food, infrastructures and health, why? Evervbody knows this is happening.

Children are not animals, no confusion here.

[TheTvrulesthenation]

celt130

I think you misunderstood me, I am saying that the actions in a particular lifestyle do not always mean a flaw in the lifestyle philosophy. for eg the metal in my computer probably came from slave labor in africa, i am against slave labor & avoid it where i can.

But just because certain parts of my lifestlye are ''hypocritical'' (ie buying the raw-material>now made computer from slave labor) does not mean humanitarian causes & its philosophy are flawed

[TheTvrulesthenation]

celt130

I am well aware that crop-harvesting does result in some death of rodents/birds etc, but this does absolutely NOTHING to prove meat-consumption is any better. it is ineffeciency in crop harvesting not in veganism. The principle of least harm is what many vegans will follow, we recognise theory =/= reality & that any life-form exists at the expense of another life-form

[celt130]

Most of the human life is hypocritical, the point is just not to use the stuff you do yourself, against others. Sadly a lot of vegans like to use arguments where frankly they are not really better then somebody with an balanced omnivore diet.

Ethics, environmental issues are way larger then diet issues.

I have nothing against the vegan/vegetarian lifestyle.I have something against lies and hypocritical behaviour of some vegans like the video who is shown here.

[celt130]

"NOTHING to prove meat-consumption is any better. "

Wrong, cows who eat grass do not kill the grass they eat, also pastures are million times more ecological then any man-made field.

"it is ineffeciency in crop harvesting not in veganism."

Veganism takes most of his food from this type of agriculture and as vegans do not eat grass well they are part of the problem.

Still ALL humans need to kill other lifeforms to live, not one human on this earth is not guilty of that.

[TheTvrulesthenation]

celt130

You are skewing my points rather than addressing the ethics, my comments were clearly at how you equated accidental slaughter with intentional slaughter & how a flaw in crop production does not mean vegan theoretical philosophy is flawed. I am not talking environmentalism, as i said health environmental claims etc can be biased, ethics cannot as easily.

[celt130]

@TheTvrulesthenation

You are still ignoring the deliberate murder of wild rats and mice to protect our food, infrastructures and health, that is what I notice. I do no longer talk about agriculture but what is happening in our cities and human infrastructures.

You do not adress this issue and frankly I understand why as it simply proves how the world isn't black or white like some present it and how we are all part of that system.

Adress this, try.

[TheTvrulesthenation]

celt130

Yeah right one word, organics.

You again are generalising, not every vegan buys pesticide sprayed crops. And never did i claim the issue to be black or white, something you are doing with that comment.

[celt130]

Where am I saying the world is black and white? If there is one person who do not think like that, well it's me.

You are are using smokescreens, where do I talk about pesticides, no where.

I talk about the deliberate murder of animals like wild rats and mice, something not one animal protector ever talks about, just like you do now.

You ignore this issue as hard as you can.

Do these animals not have the same rights then others, I have heard people claim this.

[TheTvrulesthenation]

celt130

Enlighten me so, my first reply to you was because you asked why do vegans/vegetarians ignore the mice/rats that are killed in the harvesting of their crops & i thought i addressed this with me talking about ineffeciency in harvesting =/= flaw in vegan philosophy, as it is a strawman argument.

Pesticide argument quote ''You do not argument about those who are poisoned''.

I don't think we are on the same page here as to what we are discussing?

[celt130]

@TheTvrulesthenation

Not only the ones who are killed when or because of harvesting, and no it is not a strawman argument, it is reality.

Google"OSU scientist questions the moral basis of the vegan diet"

But also those who are targeted by large pest control tactics all over the world.

Written words are not easy to understand and lead mostly to communication problems.

[TheTvrulesthenation]

@celt130

his conclusion has been criticized as flawed because it calculates the number of animals killed per acre (instead of per consumer). When his numbers are changed, Davis' argument ends up showing veganism as perpetrating the least harm.[16] Additionally, his argument has been criticized for being based on only two studies that may not represent commercial agricultural practices. Larger number of studies again show veganism to do the "least harm".[17]

source wiki

[celt130]

@TheTvrulesthenation

"his conclusion has been criticized as flawed because it calculates the number of animals killed per acre (instead of per consumer)"

Criticized by who and on what basis, "consumers"? I see excuses, not facts.

And as always you do not adress the systematic murder of wild rats and mice in urban and commercial/industrial buildings.

[TheTvrulesthenation]

celt130

Like i've said i've well addressed that veganism in reality is far from perfect & that life exists at the expense of others, but this is in NO way a justification for eating meat. This argument of crop-death has been answered numerous times by scientists/philohopshers alike

[TheTvrulesthenation]

celt130

Also veganism is against animal testing, like many they recognise non-consent of forcing an animal to be tested on is a slippery ethical slope. Vegans go a step further & just say animal cruelty=animal cruelty regardless of what you dress it up as (ie welfare,humane slaughter etc)

I care little for health/nutritional arguments of veganism the sciences go both way due to lobbying/manipulated studies & funding, but ethics i will hotly debate

[southboy99]

This dude is speaking of meat eating from an North American view. There are many other countries that will pick up dead animals on the side of the road and have it for dinner that night. Why do vegitarians allways try and press their views on other people and use very little facts to do so?

[JackFook]

@xgbdesign

Humans can't digest plant fiber. End of story.

[skatejam7]

@JackFook You don't need fiber. Start of story.

[southboy99]

@KangoeroeSkippy Horses do not have canines. They more resemble tusks than canine teeth. Canine teeth cross eachother producing a cutting motion. The tusks in a horses mouth do not touch at all. So they have to role in the digestion of food. Humans are omnivores. Humans have been that way for millions of years. How else do you think early man survived long harsh winters? What vegetables or fruits do you know of that grow during that time?

[southboy99]

What this dude said made me laugh. No herbivore animal has canines or anything that even resembles them. Meat does not decay and rot in our intenstines. I can guarantee that when I take a crap his shit doesn't smell any different than mine does.

[southboy99]

@KangoeroeSkippy Yea sure we have much in commin with a horse.  NOT!!!!!

[southboy99]

@KangoeroeSkippy Yes, we ARE NOT CARNIVORES. Frogs don't have teeth and claws yet they eat what? Meat, thats right folks. Humans did not develope claws or huge teeth because we had the ultimate hunting tool. Know what that is? The Brain. Chimps and Gorillas eat meat too. Damn near every primate does. And what are humans? You guessed it!

[southboy99]

Humans are not Herbivore. If were were our digestive system would resemble that of a cow. If this guy wants to see meat eaters. Look at Inuit Indians. They eat EVERYTHING from an animal. Chimps eat meat also.

[NLKmusicCHANNEL]

@southboy99 no it wouldn't resemble a cow digestive at all, is that just the first vegetarian animal you could think off. cow eat mainly grass so they digestion has to adopt to that, humans would eat nuts and fruits etc more than grass.

our digestion resembles the same as gorillas who are also vegetarian. The evidence was in the video i don't understand how everyone is arguing about this,  when the health problems its self shows we shouldn't be eating meat.

[southboy99]

@NLKmusicCHANNEL Well, if you haven't known by now. Gorillas as well as Chimps eat meat. The reson our health is so bad is because humans in the US eat too much PROCESSED meat. The Inuit Indians as well as other cultures of humans eat nothing but meat yet have no such health issues like we do. The the satement this guy said about putting a rabbit in a crip with a human baby. You will get the same thing if you put a rabbit with a bunch of wolfe pups.

[NLKmusicCHANNEL]

@southboy99 Gorillas don't eat meat, gorilla have been feed meat, but they have the same issues we have with health, they began to have high cholesterol and heart disease which never happened in their natural diet which is vegetarian. chimps aren't fully herbivores , they do eat meat time to time but gorillas are

the inuit indians suffer alot of health problems because of their diet including higher risks of strokes, wolf pups start hunting about 4 weeks and they first hunt squirrels and rabbits

[southboy99]

@NLKmusicCHANNEL Dude, it is well documented that Gorillas eat meat out in the wild. They eat insects and will eat a smaller monkey when they catch one. Wolfe pups hunt at 4 weeks? You got to be kidding me. Wolfe pups live off their mothes milk for at least 8 weeks. After that the mother brings them meat to eat. Dude you can't be serious. Where are you getting this info? And you are full of shit. Inuits have no health problems what so ever. Please provide this info you speak of.

[NLKmusicCHANNEL]

@southboy99 gorillas don't eat meat some western ones eat some insects but this is less often. they are herbivorous FACT. They are odd reports that gorillas may eat meat but these are unfounded and just because some might does mean anything, there are some meat eating animals that don't eat meat doesn't mean their speices are not meat eaters.

[southboy99]

@NLKmusicCHANNEL National Geographic found DNA of small monkeys and small deer in the feces of wild gorillas. Chimps eat meat and hunt at times as well, and they are our closest relative.

[NLKmusicCHANNEL]

@southboy99 They have the strength of several humans if they wanted to eat meat then they would, and don't give me this shit that they do. I know for a FACT that wolfs start hunting at 4 to 8 weeks where is your evidence because i have looked up everything you have said and its wrong. I read a inuit health article and it says they suffer lots of health problems becase of their diet and either way to wouldn't be healthier than a vegetarian diet.

[southboy99]

@NLKmusicCHANNEL Dude you are full of shit. Wolf pups dont' fucking hunt you retard. Wolves don't hunt until they are at least ONE YEAR's OF AGE!!!! Know for a fact huh? Just like many of your vegitarian so called facts that are only backed by ignorance. Inuits diet is a far better diet than vegitarian diets due to where they live. If they were vegitarian they would die. Hell I live in American and can guarantee you I am healthier than you.

[JetAge96]

why doesnt he goes out and eat some grass

[ZoldierrZzz]

@JetAge96

We are not that type of herbivorous animal.

[JetAge96]

@ZoldierrZzz

then what

omnivores we are

[ZoldierrZzz]

@JetAge96

We are herbivores capable of being scavengers. But that doesn't make us omnivores. It's like with dogs, only because they can eat vegetables doesn't mean they are omnivores, they are carnivores. But these arguments about herbivore or omnivore are pointless in my opinion, the fact that we are herbivores should only be there for educational purposes. The important thing to think about is that we don't need to eat meat, which means we don't need to barbarically kill billions of animals.

[JetAge96]

@ZoldierrZzz

i dont care for animals

only species that i care of are humans and if billions of animals need to be killed so that humans might be healthier and happier if that mean eat grass ok but i need solid evidence fron now scientist say we are omnivores and thats what i belive

[ZoldierrZzz]

@JetAge96

You don't care about animals because you are unfamiliar with them. The fact is that humans are animals and just like other animals we only live once. So we should respect that life and protect it. Killing animals is not kind and it's certainly not necessary. It doesn't matter what some scientists say, some say we are omnivores and some say we are herbivores. But humans can live healthy on a vegan diet, just like our closest primate relatives. That's the only thing that matters.

[JetAge96]

@ZoldierrZzz

humans are animals i agree on that,but as ebery other animals they exploit nature and other living beings

i mabe woud feel bad about some cow or pig or hen if i was with it for some time but when i eat stakeits allready too late.

one more thing our closest relatives are chimps 98.5% of dna and they eat meat as well not important but it must not be forgoten

[ZoldierrZzz]

@JetAge96

Not all animals kill other animals, and only because some do doesn't mean we have the right to do it as well. Some primitive animals will gang rape members of their own species, but that doesn't mean it's morally right for them or us. Chimpanzees are herbivores who occasionally eats insects, but almost never meat. If they do, it is not of necessity but because they are primitive. We shouldn't really be getting our morals from animals, but we should be a role model for them.

[JetAge96]

@ZoldierrZzz

there is nozhing immoral in killing animals for food torturing them for no reason or killing them for no reason is immoral

and this our litle chat got us where i want

this guy is talkonh about humans being herbivores because he feels bad for animals he coud just sad that you coud just say that and spare us of debate

[ZoldierrZzz]

@JetAge96

Killing animals for food is immoral. You admit that torturing animals is bad, but taking their lives (which is worse) isn't. That's hypocritical of you. Killing isn't kind and if it can be avoided it should be. Humans don't need meat (I've said this like a hundred times already) therefore we don't need to kill billions of animals. If we yet choose to do so, we are immoral. Participating in taking lives merely for the sake of taste, apetite or convenience is immoral and selfish. Period.

[JetAge96]

@ZoldierrZzz

and why is killing animals immoral

why are part of food chain as every other animal out there and no thing that you do write or showe me will make me stop eating animals

you may call me immoral but i woud never hurt another human being(exept self deffence) or kill some animal for no reason but for food i woud

[ZoldierrZzz]

@JetAge96

I already told you a thousand times. Humans are herbivores, we don't need meat, killing is bad and barbaric and should be avoided if possible, we don't need to kill animals, killing for taste, convenience and apetite is selfish and immoral, nonhuman animals feel too, they have brains and nervous systems, they are sentient and self-aware. You should watch Earthlings (search on youtube), it might awaken some compassion in you. It's somewhere in you. Live and let live, take care.

[JetAge96]

@ZoldierrZzz

it your opinion

i say omnivores

and stop saying how you feel bad for animals herbivore theory exist because of people feeling for animals

[ZoldierrZzz]

@JetAge96

... no, herbivore "theory" does not exist because people feel sorry for animals. Have you read about The China Study? The scientists didn't give a damn about the animals they killed in experiments, but their results were clear: a plant-based diet is the best and most natural for human beings.

I used to think we were omnivores, even after I became a vegan. But here are facts contradicting that ignorant belief:

michaelbluejay . com/veg/natural.html

Please don't be so stubborn, read!

[JetAge96]

@ZoldierrZzz

first send me link in inbox

second there is no proof for what are you saying humans have enzimes for digesting meat there you go why to have something if you dont need it

and what scentist killing animals haves to do with anything

[TheTvrulesthenation]

11111rarara

Though i disagree with the herbivore argument & think it does more harm than good + detracts from an ethical debate. I have read that B12 can be obtained & WAS obtained in the past from soil on vegetables & similarly from river-water, apparently now days we are ridiculously OTT with washing & cleaning our food. Even back in the 1950s it seemed we were not so OTT with cleaning food

[nanrevatta]

I saw the subtitled video of 2010, I laugh because it makes the same gestures in each phrase in all the videos!

[xgbdesign]

@NinjaJedi: Here we go again, with that old, tired argument, "Since many animals eat animals, it's OK for us too." Let's review, 'kay? Animals are moral patients, not moral agents. Therefore, whatever excuses them from eating meat is not available to us. Second, whatever else carnivorous animals do, they DO NOT imprison their prey, nor do they torture them, or over- or underfeed them, or inject them with antibiotics, or debeak them, or grind them up while still alive. The list goes on and on.

[Lemur14]

This guy is using cheap tactics to win his arguments, offering to buy a brand new car if you prove him wrong with his logically inadequate challenges. He's trying to appeal to a younger crowd by swearing, too. I despise instructors that do that, it wastes my tuition money. I would write a horrible course evaluation for this guy if I had him.

[mellamosean]

@Lemur14

from what I understand he's a guest speaker, not a school teacher/professor; he tours the country and gives speeches. I'm a vegan, and I'm not exactly in love with the guy's techniques. He reminds me of every other professional speaker I've seen, and I don't like any of them. To much reliance on rhetoric rather than facts, but I guess that's what it takes to get to people.

[Lemur14]

Humans have never needed to hunt squirrels frequently to survive, therefore, they do not have the capacity to hunt them. It's not efficient to expend a ton of energy to chase a tiny animal. Humans don't normally eat rancid meat (roadkill). When you're disgusted by these things, that's your instincts telling you that rancid meat is harmful to your digestive system. We don't eat rancid meat. Carnivores do. We can simply supplement our diet with meat if we need to, to survive.

[MindofaJedi]

I agree with the point of this video , humans are herbivores . That is a fact . However your challenge is unfair "eat a squirrell down to the bones , you can't pick and choose which body parts to eat " . Lions don't eat Gazelles down to the bones , they eat the intestines , heart , kidneys etc. They actually leave the majority of the meat for hyenas and then vultures . I don't think anyone is arguing humans are scavengers . Just saying , be fair .

[hitssquad]

@MindofaJedi "Lions don't eat Gazelles down to the bones , they eat the intestines , heart , kidneys etc."

I had a cat that would eat mice and spit out the kidneys. I don't think they like the ammonia/urea.

[JustSiouxMe]

@hitssquad Look at prettty much EVERY other culture in the world, in pretty much every other country, they do eat the entire animal, organs and all. The rest of the world would think the US insane to be throwing away all that perfectly good organ meat.

[JustSiouxMe]

@MindofaJedi if you believe that you need to take basic biology again. Humans are omnivores. We simply wouldnt have survived past the stone age if wernt.

[MindofaJedi]

@JustSiouxMe Nice try , but I have a degree in Biology . Do you ?

[JustSiouxMe]

@MindofaJedi prove it.

[Ava539]

Khiwanean how are our teeth "indicative" of an omnivorous diet? And yes we do chew side to side. As per your scavengers note they scavenged for SURVIVAL. That does not mean we are "omnivorous", that does not negate that biologically we are identical to herbivores. Where are your claws and fangs and short gastrointestinal tract, sir? Oh wait, you don't have them!! I won't make a moral judgment on meat eaters but the days of making excuses based on "omnivorous" nature are over.

[lolintarweb]

@Ava539 Then why can my liver store 35 grams of creatine? (creatine is not in vegetables) Why can i use this 35 grams of creatine to make me 60% more powerful. Chimps are omnivorous and so are we.

[Echoinmind]

@lolintarweb creatine is usually synthetised by liver and generated by different amino acid that can be found in vegetables. Taking an outside source of creatine for a too long period generally disable the liver ability to generate creatine.

Afterall, where the beef find his creatine ?

Chimps are omnivorous, true, and eat maybe 2-5% of meat. But chimps do not destroy their environment for food and live inside the natural order. Not outside. So we shall.

[JustSiouxMe]

@Ava539 Ok regarding the intestinal tract. The ratio of body length to the entire digestive system of;

a dog = 5 times its own body length

a human = 7 times its own body length

a sheep = 27 times its own body length.

Also, herbivorous animals have a specialized part of the intestine called the caecum. Humans do have this, but it is tiny, and serves only to connect the small and large intestines.

also a humans stomch can hold around 4 pints. A sheeps can hold 8 1/2 gallons.

[JustSiouxMe]

@Ava539 The human and dog stomach, both have a rest period of about 3 hours. The stomach of herbivorous animals however, never empty. They have literally no interdigestive rest, because thier digestion isnt all the efficiant, so they need to have food moving through the pretty much all of the time.

regarding our teeth, in particular canines and molars. One thing to note about canines, is that most herbivores lack them completely. Also, herbivourous animals have flat molars, ours are ridged.

[hughGwilly]

If we were meant to be herbivorous then why has our cecum (an organ that stores symbiotic bacteria which is used to break down the cellulose in plant foods)evolves into a useless appendix which, evidence show, is evolving to soon become nonexistent. We don’t have a rumen or any other organs that suggest we should be herbivorous.

[JustSiouxMe]

@hughGwilly the caecum is not the apendix. it is the tiny portion of your gut that connects the large and small intestine. In herbivores, this part of the intestine is much longer, and actually serves further purpose.

[rrrina]

Brilliant!

Rina Deych, RN

Vegan Nurse

[KhiwaneanTsuki]

This is so full of fail. We don't chew side to side. We chew with more of a crushing than grinding motion. Most herbivores do not have canines. Some do. Our teeth are still more indicative -but not sure proof- of an omnivorous diet. And he completely leaves out that not all meat eaters hunt their food. Scavengers anyone? That would explain every point from "no claws" to "no hunting instincts". We wouldn't have started to hunt until we developed the brains to make the tools needed for it

[xgbdesign]

@KhiwaneanTsuki I find all these arguments concerning whether humans are omnivores or herbivores to be quite beside the point. OF COURSE, a human CAN eat meat without even scavenging or hunting, given tools such as knives, forks, blenders, ovens, barbecues, etc. In fact, most meat-eating humans do. The question is not "CAN humans eat meat?", but rather, "SHOULD they eat meat?" In other words, is the eating of meat by humans permissible on moral grounds?

[KhiwaneanTsuki]

@xgbdesign The video does not address meat-eating on moral grounds. It addresses whether the human body is designed for meat consumption. Perhaps that is not what was intended, but that's the way comes across. There are a lot of unethical things in the meat industry and I would also say that in America at least people do eat too much meat. However, I would never deign to tell someone else their diet is immoral. I don't see how killing plants and straining the soil is moral high ground.

[JustSiouxMe]

@xgbdesign well I dunno, why dont you go ask the masai?

[xgbdesign]

@JustSiouxMe What's your point? Do I take it that since the Masai are cannibals, then cannibalism must be morally acceptable? Are you aware that at one time, it was considered perfectly acceptable for Indian men to dispose of their wives by burning them alive in rituals called "suttee"? Do you have a dog or two in your household? What would you think if some Koreans kidnapped your dogs, hoisted them by their hind legs, then blowtorched them while they're still alive? But I suppose that's OK too.

[JustSiouxMe]

@xgbdesign Um th masai are not cannibals... and about the indian thing, you have it wrong. It was a ritual where widows were burned alive with thier deceased husbands....but what the fuck does that have to do with eating meat?

And, no korean is going to eat my dog. However if I was raised in korea, I would see eating dog as a perfectly normal thing, funny that, there are actually different cultures in the world with different practises than you.

[JustSiouxMe]

@xgbdesign also, only lobsters and crabs are cooked alive. Other animals need to be skinned and gutted before they are cooked, and the only time Ive ever seen a blowtorch used for cooking, is when its used to slightly seer sashimi. You've been watching too many of those staged PETA videos.

And if you agree with what this man has said, and what this man has done, you are in no position to make any statement on what is "morally acceptable."

[xgbdesign]

@KhiwaneanTsuki Note that if "...because we can..." were sufficient by itself to justify meat-eating on moral grounds, that argument would also justify all kinds of CANNIBALISM, particularly the eating of babies, human cadavers, the elderly and senile, the mentally retarded and deranged, homeless people, and any other humans that society may deem "worthless" or "undesirable."

[KhiwaneanTsuki]

@xgbdesign I have no problem with people who choose not to eat meat for ethical reasons or dietary reasons. The speaker's argument was that we are not built to. I was simply responding to that. I also never said "Everyone should eat meat because our bodies allow us to." I'm not going to impose artificial restrictions on other people's dietary choices. In any case, cannibalism cannot be justified simply by saying "because we can" for good reasons: prion diseases and human rights.

[JustSiouxMe]

@xgbdesign pigs trample to death and eat thier own young.

[NinjaJedi]

@xgbdesign

Oh god, applying "morals" to food. Look if it's moral for a tiger, ape or squid to eat other animals, then it's moral for me. It's an issue of survival. To add to that Meat contains proteins that stimulate brain growth.

[truthbeeeetold]

@KhiwaneanTsuki .Humans are the only beings that have the ability to see the divinity in all life. We are the highest from of Conciousness on the planet. When we realize we are one with all life that is when we leave. Earth is like a class room and once you realize all life is one that is when you are no longer in the classroom.You graduate. Divinity is in me it is in you and it feels so good be connected.

truthbeeeetold 1 sec ago

[EmpressEnterprises]

THANK YOU!!!!

[gianna25Nicole]

Who is this guy?

Can I marry him!?

HE IS AMAZING! So true! GO VEG! :)

[JustSiouxMe]

@gianna25Nicole well, aside from the fact that hes destroyed medical research, that could have helped countless numbers of people.

[quaffer22]

@ImageChangesYou;

You speak of a ultra-rare occasion. Circus animals are a means of income, prized and expensive.

More 'innocent animals' die from neglect in the care of animals-lovers, while on chains, in cages and confinement, than by your example.

The only problem I have with vegan's;

is their blatant disdain for those in disagreement and denial that our ancient existence relied heavily on the harvesting of meat, hide [leather] & fur.

Best regards,

quaffer

[auggiedoggy]

Inuit do eat raw meat and fat. Modern day hunter-gatherers don't cook everything they eat. Just because we, who have not been brought up in an environment (both physical and social) and are repulsed by the thought of eating raw flesh doesn't prove that we aren't meant to eat meat. Actually the argument he presents is a straw man argument anyhow.

[Gary1111001]

Focusing on one of his "arguments" is a bit straw.

He went through many arguments (facts), of dozens that exist.

[auggiedoggy]

I'm focusing on his statement that humans are not carnivores. I I've never heard any educated person claim that in the first place. That is a strawman. His diatribe on the taxonomy argument has been shown to be false by scientists. I have nothing against vegans and vegetarians. I've been there also.

[YGravano7]

this dude spoke at my skool haha it was wild...one girl even threw up when she watched the video

[JustSiouxMe]

@YGravano7 what a pussy

[DarkLord1180]

what a looser...human jaws move up and down too..we were meant to be both vegetarians and meet eaters..gary ain't a doctor..he knows nothing about human body...go to a doctor and he will explain the digestive system and everything about human body which are pretty similar to meet eaters..he came to my college too..such a looser

[VibrantVegan]

I think you are trying to say "loser". A "looser" might be someone who lets something go. A "loser" is someone who often fails. Sort of like you spelling "looser."

By the way, compare human digestive anatomy and physiology with a cats. You will see they are quite different. The cat having evolved as a true carnivore, humans evolving from fruit eating hominids.

[UraniumMan]

@VibrantVegan I laughed more at "MEET". :oP Nothing more entertaining that an ignoramus attempting to debate a topic, while using horrible spelling and grammar, and expecting to be taken seriously. And I couldn't care less if Gary is a doctor or not; the guy makes a lot of sense. (To those of us who are capable of critical thinking.) Besides, most doctors ultimately get their knowledge and training from one source; so they are not infallible.

[JustSiouxMe]

@UraniumMan most doctors get thier training from one source? You mean un biased peer reviewed scientific study? Critical thinking my ass.

[UraniumMan]

@JustSiouxMe "unbiased".. Ha ha ha ha! Good one... Most medical doctors are the puppets of pharmaceutical companies, insurance companies, and the status quo...

[JustSiouxMe]

@UraniumMan hey look I can do that too. This guy is just a puppet for the vegan food companies, they use him only as a means to sell thier tasteless inferior products. Its all about money and greed, and thats all they care about.

Yeah its that easy...

[JustSiouxMe]

@VibrantVegan then try and compare the human digestive system (about 7 times the length of its body) to a sheeps digestive system (about 24 times the length of its body), sorry but all the herbivorous members of the homo genus have been extinct for a long long time.

[TheDudeRulez09]

Doctors are taught whatever the pharma logical companies push on them to learn, if you listened to what doctors said and lived by it you would be dead very quickly, they are not paid to keep you well, they are paid to keep you in coming back for more. I think that it is retarded for meat eaters to even comment on vegan or vegetarian videos and the other way around for that matter, if you don't want to live healthier then don't, but to come on here and call names is asinine to say the least.

[JustSiouxMe]

@TheDudeRulez09 actually.....everything you said is complete bullshit!

[TheDudeRulez09]

@JustSiouxMe actually its not, hospitals are funded by big Pharma, they push the latest drugs on you as a patient to make sure they get the money they need to continue, this is a fact! Hospitals do not cure anything, they only treat symptoms, name one thing that was cured EVER? JustSiouxMe, nice name are you on a rez? or just playing on a word?

[JustSiouxMe]

@TheDudeRulez09 Do you have any idea how much time, effort and money it takes to develop medicine? Obviously not. And things that can be cured? Well..... Headaches/Migranes Insomnia Tinnitus vision loss age related far sightedness Impotence infertility pre asthmatic conditions allergic conjuntivitis cardiac fibrilation colitis lipoma oh and ignorance, ignorance can be cured as well.

[TheDudeRulez09]

@JustSiouxMe so you should start with a double dose A.S.A.P.!!

[JustSiouxMe]

@TheDudeRulez09 ok, so you are looking forward to living to a ripe old age are you? Well, you know who you can thank for that? Yeah, doctors!

[TheDudeRulez09]

@JustSiouxMe I havent been to the doctor in years! the ONLY reason I would go is if I was injured PERIOD! I dont eat meat or processed foods, plant based diet only! has shit to do with doctors. I will be 39 on the 11th and I feel and people tell me I look late 20's at most! so enjoy your pills and your doctors!!

[JustSiouxMe]

@TheDudeRulez09 Ok but that doesnt change the fact that medical science has doubled the human life span.

Also, you dont look like you are in your late 20s.

[TheDudeRulez09]

@JustSiouxMe thank you...

[JustSiouxMe]

@TheDudeRulez09 "if you listened to what doctors said and lived by it you would be dead very quickly"

reallllly? wow, so explain to me how modern medical science has doubled the human life span?

Also explain to me exactly why there are so many cases of infants dying because their parents refused to take them off a vegan diet?

"If you dont want to live healthier then dont"

ok, fair point, but health and vegan are not related. So, I could say the same thing to you.

[SamanthaTobeyMusic]

What a great speaker!

[JustSiouxMe]

@SamanthaTobeyMusic So was Hitler. OH SNAP! you can make rediculous associations to animal rights activists as well as to the meat industry!

[YosneyLing18]

hey this dude came to my school today at hialeah high! he told us the same exact speech, showed us a very disturbing video, told us about vegan food and his jail storys. same exact speech!

[stevezy1]

He fails to mention the appendix, which Charles Darwin theorized was at one time used in the human body to break down cellulose rich foods such as leaves and other vegetation.

Now the appendix is an organ that does nothing and can even burst and cause death. All of our bodies are different and some people are better suited to have a much richer meat and fat diet according to their physiology. Just look at the eskimos of the north, how much vegetation do they have in their diet?

[xgbdesign]

This comment contains two logical fallacies. One, even if humans can no longer digest cellulose-rich foods, that does NOT mean they cannot be completely nourished by other kinds of vegetation. (2) It's obvious that Eskimos live in a climate unsuited to raising fruits and vegetables, which is the real reason they eat so few of them. Besides, anyone who thinks Eskimos enjoy optimal health should scour the Web for reports correlating Eskimo populations with cardiovascular disease. -- xgb

[stevezy1]

Eskimos actually have a low mortality rate coinciding with cardiovascular disease. If you want to adapt your body to eating just plants then that will be going against the already natural process of adaptation that a large part of the population has already gone through eating meat. A large amount of humans went through an ice age which meant that one of their main food sources was meat and had to eat meat for long periods of time throughout the winter.

[hitssquad]

@xgbdesign "scour the Web for reports correlating Eskimo populations with cardiovascular disease."

Anyone who thinks the subset of Eskimos who get cardiovascular disease are on their traditional diets needs to read Gary Taubes' 2007 book Good Calories, Bad Calories again.

[JustSiouxMe]

@xgbdesign well for them its pretty much either, eat whale blubber or basically freeze to death.

Also, there has not been one recorded case of heart disease in the Masai tribe, who live pretty much off of red meat, blood and milk.

[rajsanand]

Charles Darwin theorized The keyword is theorized. The bloody idiot was wrong about everything.

The appendix was not used for that purpose. Get out of your "well" and take a look at modern research. The appendix has a lot to do with gut bacteria. Lot of research shows that the appendix replenishes good bacteria in the gut whenever you get a dysentery attack(that is trying to flush out the bad bacteria).

About eskimos people living in cold climates have a high metabolic rate so meat digest easy

[JustSiouxMe]

@rajsanand Darwin was wrong about everything? Well, aside from that whole thing, whats it called again? Oh yeah, evolution.

[rajsanand]

There are vegetarians in cold regions where they eat bread and tons of butter(they are not vegans).

Also we have this wrong notion that humans can only live upto 65 years anything above that is a miracle. Humans can easily live upto 150 years on a healthy diet(atleast 50+% raw) and good excercise(like pranyama and yoga).

If we follow the same lifestyle mentioned above and eat meat we can live upto 90 to 100 years(meat being free range and cooked with lots of spice) this proves that avoiding meat

[JustSiouxMe]

@rajsanand if humans could live easily for up to 150 years, why hasnt anyone in the history of the world ever lived for that long?

[MindofaJedi]

@stevezy1 Just this year they proved the appendix does have a very important function . It houses bacterial strains which are moved into the intestines after illness or infection depletes our healthy intestinal fauna . My mother was once told by a surgeon that the GALL BLADDER served no function . Of course this is ridiculous , but it illustrates how little we really know about the body . I believe it was scientists at Duke that discovered the appendix function .

[SweetJudith12345]

Gary, you're so right on! I can no longer stand being around a corpse muncher..I can smell them a mile away....Horrible..

[UltraViolence14]

can you explain why we have k-9 teeth? so we can tear at tofu ? no we are omnivores if we weren't supposed to eat meat we will not be drawn to it.

[quaffer22]

RIGHT ON !!!

People living in The Steppes, The Arctic and South American Rainforest, seem not to be suffering from the things this guy that's too whimpy to gut an animal, describes.

The veggi-heads forget we could not have existed for the tens of thousands of years in the regions we've been in, if not for ANIMAL PRODUCTS, eg; furs, oils, flesh and bone.

HE LIES !!!

And people FALL FOR IT !!

So sad we are surrounded by so many stupid, gullible people these days.

[UltraViolence14]

so true bro also how about the Eskimos they have no form of vegetables so they only eat meat ? this guy is an idiot

[VeganMotorcyclePilot]

They also dont factory farm like savages and do it more out of need due to the climate.

Just because we can, doesn't mean we should. People can throw all sorts of crap down the throat like paper, bugs and our own shit.

[quaffer22]

A major British grocery chain, made a move to sell ONLY 'Free-Range' chicken eggs.

This was do to an overwhelming response by the Britsih citizens.

These citizens are NOT vegetarians.

NOR savages!!

FURTHER: Have you ever concidered the PESTICIDES used to grow vegetables, that cause[d] irreparable damage to the animals you CLAIM to want to protect, and our water-sheds??

Not to mention the fact that YOU consume these pesticides!!

[VeganMotorcyclePilot]

I hear you, fortunately many vegan products are organic, I seek out organic as well.

I will never claim that veganism is perfection, but a drastic reduction in unncessary suffering is a great start. Real free range is better but still is unnecessary for most, unless if poor and hunt. It also leads to some of these related problems goveg (dot) com/theissues.asp

[UltraViolence14]

ya an my main food source consists of fruit and meat and i tend to eat wat i kill i dont rely on mcDonalds animals that are not supposed to eat meat get sick if they do in some cases they get a disease we dont get sick or get diseases from meat i eat my steaks almost raw we also have our eyes at the front of our heads only predator animals have that. i have 12 very sharp teeth 6 on top 6 down bottom an i tell you what i dont use them on tofu im not fat either. so we can eat meat we are meant to

[JustSiouxMe]

@VeganMotorcyclePilot most cultures of the world eat invertibrates.

[VeganMotorcyclePilot]

Have a nice heart attack as 50% of Americans.

Regardless your argument, its unnecessary so its no who is right but what is right. Killing for pleasure is not.

[quaffer22]

I know of NO ONE that kills "out of pleasure".

They fully intend on EATING what they kill.

PS: Potato chips are full of Saturated Fat. And what about PASTA??

Doctors ALWAYS say to cut back on Pasta (made of GRAIN !!)

Choke your arteries and gain 100 pounds on that !!

AND

Can you harvest Vegetables in the WINTER ???

Vegetarians will be the first to starve to death, when and if, there is ever a food shortage. I'd bet you veg-heads wouldn't turn a burger down, at that point :)

[VeganMotorcyclePilot]

Most eat flesh for taste.

Actually most factory farm animals are fed crops such as corn and grains, so if no crops then no well fed animals to feast upon. I dont see that as happening in the USA, especially in the south.

[quaffer22]

Can you imagine if eating was a necessity of "taste" alone?

That would be awesome! We could live on air alone.

Anyway, Free-Range farming is a great alternative.

It eliminates the cruelties of conglomerate farming practices, and the demand for them.

It also puts small farmers back in business, that feed their animals on land that needs no pesticides.

One PS: The Eskimo's diet consists of a VERY LARGE amount of RAW MEAT & BLUBBER.

Search this: The Inuit Paradox

Best regards

[UndyingRevolution]

Good point.

[MaxLearning]

I always thought humans were omnivores, because we can survive on meat if necessary. But I guess that's also true of cows, pigs, and other herbivores who are fed the ground-up renderings of other animals on factory farms. Your physiological arguments have convinced me that humans are indeed herbivores.

[JustSiouxMe]

@MaxLearning pigs are omnivores. The so called "physiological" arguments are simply just wrong.