The fact this has been up for almost four years and hasn't even reached a million views, just reveals a very sad truth a bout our modern society, such a shame...
Watching this case for elitism made by Plato and his presentational case for philosophers to be the ruling elite human conclave of the polis/ state. 2/3 rd of the population were excluded non-human slaves and like women, chattles to be owned by the 'legal' human minority based on knowing right from wrong as reason. So it is Plato who may, to some, incapable of moral reason in practice to suit vested self-interest since he never contested slavery or womens rights.
All ye who watch this vision, deliver yourselves unto 'Jeff Buckley - Last Goodbye' on this very sea of consciousness (Youtube); be safe and scrutinise until your eyeballs itch from the piercing light.
Socrates is illustrating the world's obstinacy in the face of revelation. We see this come into to play in the Apology where the city of Athens condemns an innocent man (Socrates) for telling them the truth about their unjust ways. We see this come to play again in the life and person of Jesus Christ, "The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil (John 7:7). People tend to dismiss the truth every chance it reveals itself to him or her.
This is like how people worship the television. Your ideas are shaped based off of what they say on their rather than your personal experience. It could apply to a much wider idea which is that this whole dimension is the cave and we need to ascend into the next stage. Life is a trip but i'm here with you. Private message me and we will talk.
@GRBPRO Although I'm sure Plato had never heard of television, your point is completely valid and makes sense. It is a shame that we so often follow only after what we are fed by others who may or may not have our best interests at heart.
Watched this is global connections last week... wow. Really made you reflect on life. The teacher told us how we are the people in the cave. And each of us is in our own cave, and told us how everyone is keeping us in the cave... really made you reflect. The philosophical stuff is deep... (:
the cave is not really relevent itself, it's the idea of living in an idea without knowing one is part of the idea. That through philisophy we can gain insght in to ideas, and we ourselves can act or know as a living idea and follow our own ideas.
@bjl34565 haha yea I was looking for the mumford and sons song too... I stumbled on this then the very next semester had to read it in my comm 330 class. Helpful and interesting, but I still prefer the song...
As we venture further, we can begin to understand. We have to embrace it and become enlightened. We need to keep in mind what is real and un-real as we become wiser. It may be painful, because it is not that easy to get out of the “cave”, but well worth it because at the end of the “cave” there is knowledge. Constant realization and discovery is possible. The truth shall set you free. Knowledge is power.
Everyone starts out in Plato's cave. The prisoners in the cave live in ignorance. I believe Plato is trying to tell us that we only believe what we are taught as children. The shadows are our perception of the world as we see it. We can stay down in the “cave” (remain ignorant) or break free (from the chains) and seek education and knowledge by our own will.
@ljeanabldr education and taught knowledge is not what Plato was referring to. He was referring to real knowledge, which only comes from outside the human perspective. To access it, one must step outside life. The chains in the cave are metaphorical for the human condition (love, pain, desire, etc.) To access reality, or to escape the cave, one must abandon these things and realize that they are not real.
Although that is not in the original story, it does make sense. In the pictures we see of the caves, it is rounded and most caves would have an echo if we can assume the walkway is far behind the prisoners and the man is yelling excitedly. Of course, Plato never mentions how the prisoners get food either, but its not really the point... the point is simply that they cannot understand just as the freed prisoner could not, at first, understand things he saw in the real world.
At the end the man is not mis-understood, but ridiculed. No one who lives in the cave could understand the beauty of the outside world, just as the common people would ridicule Socrates' for his silly ideas of forms. They just haven't experienced the reality that, for plato at least, reason brings about. The pursuit to the outside world is what we all do when we participate in philosophy, slowly becoming aware of the beauty of the forms.
@rahxephon52 Pull your views entirely away from social ignorance and any opinion of a group and look as much as you can to facts. Realize that most of society and what people know even scientists is bs people have created out of ignorance and lack of true understanding by limited natural perception. Right now you are looking at a flat image of light staring at black lines that have no value except what some groups have placed on them and meaningless to others(that is written english language).
@rahxephon52 ...the video you just saw was the same. Light and sound with no value except our interpretation and a tool for relaying information if you understand to intent behind the sounds and images. Now what can you gain from actual understanding? What has been gained by man from his limited understanding of the world around him? longer life, medicine, happiness, peace, new areas of sciences, technology, etc.
This is all what they call "a priori" knowledge. It's based all on ideas and concepts. For a far more useful philosophy, read An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding by David Hume. It's a far more realistic and practical philosophy regarding how we can know what we know, and recognizing that approaches like Plato's were severely limited.
Nice, perhaps, but you miss out an important part of the story which is that when the man returns to the cave and tries to free the people there he is beaten to death for his troubles which a) is Plato allegorising what the Athenians did to Socrates, b) was read by Christians for centuries as analogous to Jesus' execution and c) depicts an important fact about human psychology which goes beyond mere cognitive dissonance - humans will fight mentally and physically to retain their illusions.
The most important part of the allegory is descending back into the cave. Most people who read Plato do not understand that this event (freedom, ascent, decent) is somewhat of a hermeneutic circle. Constant realization/discovery is possible with every cycle.
@peverill It refers to any situation where a group is living in a situation where they are uninformed about important things.
Some might say it refers to people living only with their own purposes in mind, who only "see the light" when they discover Christianity. Some might say it refers to religious people, who only "see the light" when they discover religion is false.
It doesn't have to be about religion, it could be any enlightening experience.
there is just slightly mistake in this video. They are not cast out, but they climb toward the rocks into the out of caves, to get a knowledge :) Its not that easy to get out of cave :) philosophers and rare people achieve that :)
@CostaRicaCommune Plato had something to sell. And the Allegory of the Cave was his sales pitch.
The Allegory of the Cave is nonsensical because sensations coming from the material world are the only reality that the philosopher can truly know. Nothing analogous to prisoners chained to the walls of a cave since childhood exist between reality and the Allegory. No philosopher can transcend sensory experience to "grasp" a reality unknowable by means of the senses. Language depends on the senses
Many years have passed since I read the Allegory of the Cave. Still, the author of the Wikipedia article on the subject states the same fact I did. "...the philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall do not make up reality at all, as he can perceive the true form of reality rather than the mere shadows seen by the prisoners." Plato insinuates the material world known to us through sensation is illusory but not his philosophy.
As previously stated, "Basically The Allegory is given as an insinuation that 'I have seen the light of the real world outside the cave but you are still deluded by the shadows.'" You could turn around and say the same but vice versa. Whereas, in reality no situation exists analogous to The Allegory. The Allegory is a gross exaggeration of environmental factors and overcoming previous developmental retardation. Thus The Allegory becomes nonsensical.
We could go even further and say that the world inside the cave was the only reality the prisoners knew, but at least the experience was of the real world. Whereas the prisoner that was "released" only thought himself released but instead was plugged into a Matrix. What he now perceives as reality is nothing more than the illusions of the Matrix.
As stated, the Allegory of the Cave was Plato's sales pitch to promote his particular brand of philosophy.
My intent wasn't to "win." My intent was to argue my point and hopefully reach some sort of consensus. Besides, "winning" an argument (according to popular opinion) doesn't necessarily make the "winner" right.
The exchange with CostaRicaCommune made me think. I can understand why the Allegory of the Cave would seem (to some individuals) perfectly analogous the the example "he" gave. But the Greek Culture of Plato's time was exposed to many ideas of other people. No analogy existed in reality.
@CostaRicaCommune, & my point is that the prisoner who is set free would be unable to "discern truth or fiction" because of the same previous development as the other prisoners. Basically The Allegory is given as an insinuation that "I have seen the light of the real world outside the cave but you are still deluded by the shadows."
Also, no analogous aspect of reality can be found as that portrayed by The Allegory. You are adding a pretty fanciful interpretation unsupported by real similarity
@CostaRicaCommune, on a very superficial level The Allegory appears to make sense. Back in the days when people (including philosophers) were ignorant of the critical periods and the stimulation required to develop sight, language, and such, no doubt The Allegory seemed perfectly sensible. But now we can see The Allegory is filled with illusory assumptions and constructs.
Nevertheless, if you'd please spell it out for me I'll be glad to point out your "spelling mistakes."
my example is from my own experience but my point is everyone is in Plato's cave until we let go of bias'd opinions and view each thing from all angles of perspective. if we can do such a thing the world in general would most likely be a better place
its not quite so literal. the main point from my point of view anyways is that you view the world from a perspective not your own. an example of this would be something as simple as being brought up in a religious family. your taught that the bible is right, that christianity is the correct religion so you believe it and go about your life. you would only be released from the metaphorical cave when you shed this believe and saw life from your own eyes be it a different religion or none at all
The Allegory of the Cave is nonsensical. At what age were the hypothetical prisoners placed inside the cave? Were the prisoners taught language? How could language be taught without referencing & teaching about the world as we know it? Did the prisoners see any of their guardians/caretakers? Could the prisoners see each other?
Helen Keller was deaf & blind. But she didn't become so until after receiving necessary sensory stimulation during critical stages of development. Did the prisoners?
My point is: to assume such a prisoner set free would see the world "as it is" is itself a delusional idea. In order for the eyes and brain to work together to produce normal vision, then necessary sensory stimulation must be received during critical stages of development. If the required stimulation isn't received, then the person will never be able to make sense out of the sensory input from the eyes. Language, which is required for human thought, has a critical stage for development also.
When i read this excerpt for my class, i did not understand a thing, but when my teacher showed me this, I was intrigued. There is something amazing about this allegory.
its funny how many people belive that these types of things are relative in their ideas and concepts but in reality they are a concrete an absolute..... our thoughts about things do not change them to fit us...we are just fooling ourselves... when two people are arguing either one of them is right or they are both wrong but they cannot both be right... the things that keep me up lol
Plato wasn't concerned with addressing religion, but grasping something higher then the shadows that make up empirical knowledge. Still, it stands to reason that just because someone can make an allegory doesn't necessarily mean their reasoning is accurate.
@TennisAnnalyst Basically what you say is not entirely true. I happen to study plato for my exams so here's what my books say. First of all I'd like to start by saying that the cave allegory is a part of plato's state and he uses it in an attempt to explain why philosophers are the most suitable ones to rule the state. According to his and his teacher's theory souls existed in the world of knowledge before one's birth and after his death.So all souls know everything and philosophy's goal
@madgameris was to make the souls remember all they knew and more importantly the first truth, the one who is eternal and not affected by humans. In the allegory the real world is the cave and the shadows are the things around us, and the chains represent our five senses while the outside world is the world of knowledge and the light is indeed the knowledge. So the philosopher remembers what his soul already knows and wants to do the same with the other prisoners.though they will
@madgameris not accept the real world because they are used to seeing the shadows(making a reference to his teacher's death). Plato was in fact an oligarch because he was an aristocrat both by birth and conviction and was pretty conservative he didn't believe that everyone should know the truth because then everyone would want to take part in governing the state and then anarchy would prevail something he didn't by any chance wanted. Sorry for my english haven't practiced them for a long time
The perception of the world is limited by our experience.
Only individuals with exceptional skills to imagine abstract concepts and deduce the right logical answers from them can create something unseen. It happens for example in engineering, though rarely. Usually we just combine our already available knowledge on facts
This only scratches the surface of the allegory - a shadow of the full story! Plato goes on to explain much more. I wonder what he would have made of idiots asking how they were fed.
We must understand that people can only take in parts of this, as we appreciate Plato's complete and whole allegory of the cave. Truth is beautiful. People will seek out the complete version.
@TennisAnnalyst this is like the 4 dimension idea, we are chained into the 3-d world therefore we see shadows of 4-d objects as 3-d, if i freed you then you have to unchain yourself from an infinite number of chains, perhaps 100 dimensions, and 100 dimensions after that, it's infinite regression where-ever we go.
Nice music in the background. Reminded me of a bollywood song "kajraray kajrarya". And bollywood for me is a metaphor for make-believe and illusions, which in turn is a reflection of Plato's cave.
@Foobyking9000 It depends on how you perceive it. The enlightened man returning to the cave explains his experience, but the uninformed group is unable to understand him... perhaps he's teaching democracy to a group that has only ever had a king. Perhaps he's teaching science to a group with no intellectual curiosity, and believes that fate randomly decides how things work.
It could be anti-religion, or anti-atheism, or anti-consumerism. Depends on your viewpoint.
This is a bad allegory. How do they eat, drink? Or go to the toilet? How are they able to speak? Who taught them? You might say that it's not important, and I'm missing the point. Am I? Just read the whole story and then judge this bullshit. Plato asked several questions at the end, which can be answered simply if you think about it. He never really stated anything with this f*ck*d up story, he just hopes you give the answers he has in mind (the wrong ones). Read Aristotle too.
The prisoners in the cave live in ignorance. They are like us - trapped by our perception of the world. We live caged by our understanding of things. The prisoner that was released could see all things free from perception. He actually SAW reality with no bias, no pre-conceived ideas. And when he tried to explain how wonderful it was to his friends, they could not understand. They were still ignorant and trapped by perception.
when I read book 7, the sun and the fire seemed parrallel in a sense just as the wall and the water(pond) seem to be analogous in the story....it almost seemed like two different worlds or phemona coexisted for the lower level mind and the higher leveled mind...but this video is helping visualize a little better thanks...
By the reading the comment i see many are still in the cave lol. The outside world is controll of your emotions and fears, so you can live in peace and be free of mind not live life thinking and hating on others but your own.
Plato describes EXACTLY what the allegory represents immediately afterwards in Republic. In this world, we only see imperfect copies (the shadows on the wall) of the perfect forms (actual objects above-ground). The forms include pretty much everything. The allegory has NOTHING to do with tv, magazines, or anything like it. It is an allegory that deals with cosmic philosophical issues. Plato says above-ground (realm of the forms) is more real than the cave world (our material world).
Please people, don't make historical philosophy into whatever you want it to be. Plato's whole philosophy hinged on the existence of a completely different realm that was actually more real than the material universe. That was the realm of the forms. Everything we see and talk about actually exists perfectly in another realm. We make reference to these absolutes because our souls used to dwell there. When we got bodies, our souls forgot and are now being "reminded" of what we used to know.
I just saw this guy on Lottery Changed My Life and thought this video looked familiar!
DramaticAddict55 19 hours ago
The fact this has been up for almost four years and hasn't even reached a million views, just reveals a very sad truth a bout our modern society, such a shame...
ShoutOutGeneration 21 hours ago
Excellent video. Very easy for people learning about philosophy to understand.
AristotleCorrelate 2 days ago
Platodough
monkzenone 1 week ago
Ignorance is Bliss
goldito41 2 weeks ago
@goldito41 Only to lobotomized, religious, fundamentalists!
1949rickray 2 weeks ago
This animation is creepy but yet edifying. Thank you!
noxnocturne 2 weeks ago
Kind of like the government and people of America.
wolverin648 2 weeks ago
Watching this case for elitism made by Plato and his presentational case for philosophers to be the ruling elite human conclave of the polis/ state. 2/3 rd of the population were excluded non-human slaves and like women, chattles to be owned by the 'legal' human minority based on knowing right from wrong as reason. So it is Plato who may, to some, incapable of moral reason in practice to suit vested self-interest since he never contested slavery or womens rights.
wightangler 2 months ago
All ye who watch this vision, deliver yourselves unto 'Jeff Buckley - Last Goodbye' on this very sea of consciousness (Youtube); be safe and scrutinise until your eyeballs itch from the piercing light.
owenhunt 2 months ago
does no one else thing that this is a bit scary?
come1619 2 months ago 3
@come1619 Ignorance is scary my friend.
BIONIKOELMEJOR 1 month ago
Socrates is illustrating the world's obstinacy in the face of revelation. We see this come into to play in the Apology where the city of Athens condemns an innocent man (Socrates) for telling them the truth about their unjust ways. We see this come to play again in the life and person of Jesus Christ, "The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil (John 7:7). People tend to dismiss the truth every chance it reveals itself to him or her.
nef2442 3 months ago 2
this is about how we dont embrace psychedelic transcendence
jonjuandoedo 3 months ago
This is like how people worship the television. Your ideas are shaped based off of what they say on their rather than your personal experience. It could apply to a much wider idea which is that this whole dimension is the cave and we need to ascend into the next stage. Life is a trip but i'm here with you. Private message me and we will talk.
GRBPRO 3 months ago
@GRBPRO Although I'm sure Plato had never heard of television, your point is completely valid and makes sense. It is a shame that we so often follow only after what we are fed by others who may or may not have our best interests at heart.
Phyllisjwolfe 3 weeks ago
anybody christian here?
qwyudvb 3 months ago
Watched this is global connections last week... wow. Really made you reflect on life. The teacher told us how we are the people in the cave. And each of us is in our own cave, and told us how everyone is keeping us in the cave... really made you reflect. The philosophical stuff is deep... (:
Shopaholic6611 3 months ago
We were shown this in English class. I thought it was incredible.
Cannibalization 3 months ago in playlist Cannibalization's favorites
oh hi, english 101.
206jacobmorales 4 months ago
old true and always topical!
7michail 4 months ago
REVERSED - The Cave Allegory in Clay
youtube. com/watch?v=vefVzPvgEck
NindicaPinionsLight 4 months ago
This idea changed my life.
ecocultural 4 months ago
watched it for a paper in mr. barrows class.
Howdydudy100 4 months ago
I love the narrators voice.
LiamMIRL 4 months ago 2
Yaaaay, Philosophy and Ethics >_<!! Writing a comic strip on this now. Thanks Miss!
TheZocrate 4 months ago
It's actually more interesting when it's in clay version than to read about it.
HerGlassBones94 4 months ago
sorry i mean at 1.50
noyo42 4 months ago
hahaha pause at 1.49
noyo42 4 months ago
mindfucking,
emilyp1249 4 months ago
Really interesting stuff...like if you saw this in Mr.Tuttle's class and/or heard Mr.Gissell talk about it! xD
yayitsangie12345 4 months ago
I meant to click on the soulja boy video. Wtf are they talking bout here?
2enchant 5 months ago
This is creepy as all hell... but hey Mrs. Martin's class
Caboose97 5 months ago
I Watched This In My Philosophy Class I Really Enjoy And Its Sentiment Towards Myself So I Favourited It For Future Encounters :)
TehMakka 5 months ago
the cave is not really relevent itself, it's the idea of living in an idea without knowing one is part of the idea. That through philisophy we can gain insght in to ideas, and we ourselves can act or know as a living idea and follow our own ideas.
SpayceManSAM 5 months ago
this isnt the cave
this is bullshit
bjl34565 5 months ago
@bjl34565 haha yea I was looking for the mumford and sons song too... I stumbled on this then the very next semester had to read it in my comm 330 class. Helpful and interesting, but I still prefer the song...
hispanicman77 4 months ago
man fuck this -_- well good but fuck english assignment -.-
roqfreak97 5 months ago
As we venture further, we can begin to understand. We have to embrace it and become enlightened. We need to keep in mind what is real and un-real as we become wiser. It may be painful, because it is not that easy to get out of the “cave”, but well worth it because at the end of the “cave” there is knowledge. Constant realization and discovery is possible. The truth shall set you free. Knowledge is power.
ljeanabldr 5 months ago
Everyone starts out in Plato's cave. The prisoners in the cave live in ignorance. I believe Plato is trying to tell us that we only believe what we are taught as children. The shadows are our perception of the world as we see it. We can stay down in the “cave” (remain ignorant) or break free (from the chains) and seek education and knowledge by our own will.
ljeanabldr 5 months ago 38
@ljeanabldr It can means a thousand different things, knowledge, seek of truth, open mind, recognition of our human limmits.
That is philosophy, "philos"=friend of "sophia"=wisdome, the endless seek of truth and knowledge, the real path towards the light.
“We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light.”
Plato
serreosoo8 3 months ago
@ljeanabldr education and taught knowledge is not what Plato was referring to. He was referring to real knowledge, which only comes from outside the human perspective. To access it, one must step outside life. The chains in the cave are metaphorical for the human condition (love, pain, desire, etc.) To access reality, or to escape the cave, one must abandon these things and realize that they are not real.
sheepard9915 1 month ago
wait a second someone please tell me how come the freed prisoners voice would sound like a distorted echo?
172person 6 months ago
@172person This is an adaptation of the simile. It doesn't actually say that in the book.
spondulas 6 months ago
@172person
Although that is not in the original story, it does make sense. In the pictures we see of the caves, it is rounded and most caves would have an echo if we can assume the walkway is far behind the prisoners and the man is yelling excitedly. Of course, Plato never mentions how the prisoners get food either, but its not really the point... the point is simply that they cannot understand just as the freed prisoner could not, at first, understand things he saw in the real world.
UDKoder 6 months ago
@UDKoder thanks
172person 6 months ago
Creepy.
Zeikid 6 months ago
Same thing happening in Plato's day, is happening today.I guess there will be always evil to enslave people, things havent changed much.
kyriacos40 6 months ago
brilliant!
angelinajoanie 7 months ago
Really, really good. Thank you.
oliverave1234 7 months ago
Plato had the JFK assassination and 9/11 in mind when he came up with this
killthephony 7 months ago 2
Profound
CrystalR73 7 months ago
Great. Cheers.
ascetic43 7 months ago
The voice of the freed prisoner is one they used in Prometheus and Bob on Nickelodeon. Also in claymation.
heygarchdotcom 7 months ago
Very profound
drkeithcow 8 months ago
watching this with epic music playing in the background gets you in another dimension !!!!!!!!!!
spiridoula92 8 months ago
this is the short version
danlinkgan 8 months ago
How can someone dislike this?!
09Nor 8 months ago 4
Why the chained prisoners look so loose, their own arms holding the chains up, and nothing but their wrists shackled at all?
TiagoTiagoT 8 months ago
13 people took the blue pill
zecle 8 months ago 52
@zecle the blue pill?
qwyudvb 3 months ago
@qwyudvb havent you see the matrix ?
zecle 3 months ago
@zecle it was quite long time ago.. I dont remember :/
qwyudvb 3 months ago
13 people still live inside the cave as prisoners
spiridoula92 8 months ago 3
the cave wall is facebook 2
Manfresjr 8 months ago
This has been flagged as spam show
light years ahead
coulthard1984 9 months ago
At the end the man is not mis-understood, but ridiculed. No one who lives in the cave could understand the beauty of the outside world, just as the common people would ridicule Socrates' for his silly ideas of forms. They just haven't experienced the reality that, for plato at least, reason brings about. The pursuit to the outside world is what we all do when we participate in philosophy, slowly becoming aware of the beauty of the forms.
TheGregZ 9 months ago
This is tough, so how do I unchain myself and what benefit will this bring me?
rahxephon52 9 months ago
@rahxephon52 Pull your views entirely away from social ignorance and any opinion of a group and look as much as you can to facts. Realize that most of society and what people know even scientists is bs people have created out of ignorance and lack of true understanding by limited natural perception. Right now you are looking at a flat image of light staring at black lines that have no value except what some groups have placed on them and meaningless to others(that is written english language).
thebillyguy 8 months ago
@rahxephon52 ...the video you just saw was the same. Light and sound with no value except our interpretation and a tool for relaying information if you understand to intent behind the sounds and images. Now what can you gain from actual understanding? What has been gained by man from his limited understanding of the world around him? longer life, medicine, happiness, peace, new areas of sciences, technology, etc.
thebillyguy 8 months ago
@thebillyguy Appreciate the detail explanation, it really helped me to further understand this video.
rahxephon52 8 months ago
This is all what they call "a priori" knowledge. It's based all on ideas and concepts. For a far more useful philosophy, read An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding by David Hume. It's a far more realistic and practical philosophy regarding how we can know what we know, and recognizing that approaches like Plato's were severely limited.
sxeptomaniac 8 months ago
Γ΄ Λυκείου-Θεωρητική κατεύθυνση.
j23fhg2m 9 months ago 3
Nice, perhaps, but you miss out an important part of the story which is that when the man returns to the cave and tries to free the people there he is beaten to death for his troubles which a) is Plato allegorising what the Athenians did to Socrates, b) was read by Christians for centuries as analogous to Jesus' execution and c) depicts an important fact about human psychology which goes beyond mere cognitive dissonance - humans will fight mentally and physically to retain their illusions.
Faboba 9 months ago 4
Plato was in his own cave of course.
liberalguilt 9 months ago
The most important part of the allegory is descending back into the cave. Most people who read Plato do not understand that this event (freedom, ascent, decent) is somewhat of a hermeneutic circle. Constant realization/discovery is possible with every cycle.
iconfrite1 10 months ago
Is this referring to religion? because it seems to give that impression
peverill 10 months ago
@peverill It refers to any situation where a group is living in a situation where they are uninformed about important things.
Some might say it refers to people living only with their own purposes in mind, who only "see the light" when they discover Christianity. Some might say it refers to religious people, who only "see the light" when they discover religion is false.
It doesn't have to be about religion, it could be any enlightening experience.
bobdonda 10 months ago
@peverill ηο, it is referring to the things that we see all around us but they are not true. We think these are true.
j23fhg2m 9 months ago
there is just slightly mistake in this video. They are not cast out, but they climb toward the rocks into the out of caves, to get a knowledge :) Its not that easy to get out of cave :) philosophers and rare people achieve that :)
dejkola 10 months ago
This is what it is like after taking dmt and doing countless hours of meditation
finding0 10 months ago
@finding0
not really this is like when you read philosophy :) Read plato allegory of cave in 5th book of Republic.
dejkola 10 months ago
@dejkola
Book 7*
iconfrite1 10 months ago
@CostaRicaCommune Plato had something to sell. And the Allegory of the Cave was his sales pitch.
The Allegory of the Cave is nonsensical because sensations coming from the material world are the only reality that the philosopher can truly know. Nothing analogous to prisoners chained to the walls of a cave since childhood exist between reality and the Allegory. No philosopher can transcend sensory experience to "grasp" a reality unknowable by means of the senses. Language depends on the senses
unseenstrings 10 months ago
Many years have passed since I read the Allegory of the Cave. Still, the author of the Wikipedia article on the subject states the same fact I did. "...the philosopher is like a prisoner who is freed from the cave and comes to understand that the shadows on the wall do not make up reality at all, as he can perceive the true form of reality rather than the mere shadows seen by the prisoners." Plato insinuates the material world known to us through sensation is illusory but not his philosophy.
unseenstrings 10 months ago
Agreement? Disagreement? Comment? Rebuttal?
As previously stated, "Basically The Allegory is given as an insinuation that 'I have seen the light of the real world outside the cave but you are still deluded by the shadows.'" You could turn around and say the same but vice versa. Whereas, in reality no situation exists analogous to The Allegory. The Allegory is a gross exaggeration of environmental factors and overcoming previous developmental retardation. Thus The Allegory becomes nonsensical.
unseenstrings 10 months ago
We could go even further and say that the world inside the cave was the only reality the prisoners knew, but at least the experience was of the real world. Whereas the prisoner that was "released" only thought himself released but instead was plugged into a Matrix. What he now perceives as reality is nothing more than the illusions of the Matrix.
As stated, the Allegory of the Cave was Plato's sales pitch to promote his particular brand of philosophy.
No philosopher (human) is infallible.
unseenstrings 10 months ago
@unseenstrings
Noooo! You win again.
Shtove 10 months ago
My intent wasn't to "win." My intent was to argue my point and hopefully reach some sort of consensus. Besides, "winning" an argument (according to popular opinion) doesn't necessarily make the "winner" right.
The exchange with CostaRicaCommune made me think. I can understand why the Allegory of the Cave would seem (to some individuals) perfectly analogous the the example "he" gave. But the Greek Culture of Plato's time was exposed to many ideas of other people. No analogy existed in reality.
unseenstrings 10 months ago
@unseenstrings Interesting point
kyriacos40 6 months ago
@CostaRicaCommune, & my point is that the prisoner who is set free would be unable to "discern truth or fiction" because of the same previous development as the other prisoners. Basically The Allegory is given as an insinuation that "I have seen the light of the real world outside the cave but you are still deluded by the shadows."
Also, no analogous aspect of reality can be found as that portrayed by The Allegory. You are adding a pretty fanciful interpretation unsupported by real similarity
unseenstrings 10 months ago
@CostaRicaCommune, on a very superficial level The Allegory appears to make sense. Back in the days when people (including philosophers) were ignorant of the critical periods and the stimulation required to develop sight, language, and such, no doubt The Allegory seemed perfectly sensible. But now we can see The Allegory is filled with illusory assumptions and constructs.
Nevertheless, if you'd please spell it out for me I'll be glad to point out your "spelling mistakes."
Naturalism Org
unseenstrings 10 months ago
Dude this is totally like The Matrix. Which pill will you take? Red or Blue? Deny or accept reality
saradrai 10 months ago
my example is from my own experience but my point is everyone is in Plato's cave until we let go of bias'd opinions and view each thing from all angles of perspective. if we can do such a thing the world in general would most likely be a better place
123456789imthatguy 11 months ago
its not quite so literal. the main point from my point of view anyways is that you view the world from a perspective not your own. an example of this would be something as simple as being brought up in a religious family. your taught that the bible is right, that christianity is the correct religion so you believe it and go about your life. you would only be released from the metaphorical cave when you shed this believe and saw life from your own eyes be it a different religion or none at all
123456789imthatguy 11 months ago
The Allegory of the Cave is nonsensical. At what age were the hypothetical prisoners placed inside the cave? Were the prisoners taught language? How could language be taught without referencing & teaching about the world as we know it? Did the prisoners see any of their guardians/caretakers? Could the prisoners see each other?
Helen Keller was deaf & blind. But she didn't become so until after receiving necessary sensory stimulation during critical stages of development. Did the prisoners?
unseenstrings 11 months ago
My point is: to assume such a prisoner set free would see the world "as it is" is itself a delusional idea. In order for the eyes and brain to work together to produce normal vision, then necessary sensory stimulation must be received during critical stages of development. If the required stimulation isn't received, then the person will never be able to make sense out of the sensory input from the eyes. Language, which is required for human thought, has a critical stage for development also.
unseenstrings 11 months ago
thank you so much, i read the story over and over but watching this once helped me understand!
thinkgreenlovepurple 11 months ago
When i read this excerpt for my class, i did not understand a thing, but when my teacher showed me this, I was intrigued. There is something amazing about this allegory.
jdkharva 11 months ago
It's a strange fish that knows water...
Mycos1 11 months ago
its funny how many people belive that these types of things are relative in their ideas and concepts but in reality they are a concrete an absolute..... our thoughts about things do not change them to fit us...we are just fooling ourselves... when two people are arguing either one of them is right or they are both wrong but they cannot both be right... the things that keep me up lol
dbzboxer 11 months ago
It is always amusing to know that everyone with their own beliefs and agendas can relate to this allegory.
LameCrippled 11 months ago
Grande, grande !!!
Perfeito !!!!!!!
adsonsoares1981 11 months ago
this guys voice is beast
MrLargefry 11 months ago
:45 with transcribe audio on i lol'd
machew100 11 months ago
John Grigsby is amazing. Check out his Etch-A-Sketch Animation "Introduction to a Lucid Dream Exploration"..
mikeythies 1 year ago
This guy's voice is fantastic.
RoseofSharon3712 1 year ago
WHITE WALL IN THE CAVE= the material world
WORLD OUTSIDE THE CAVE=the world of ideas
(bad english-.-)
vaneesterliam 1 year ago
Thumbs up if you watched this so you didn't have to read it.
Je5s3r 1 year ago 116
@Je5s3r I read it but did not understand it.
Guinepigsrock 1 year ago
@Je5s3r It's like three pages you lazy asshole.
ComedicShinigami 7 months ago 3
@Je5s3r Too bad if you watched it to discuss it in class, you realize this varies from the original writing of Plato. xP
masael255 4 months ago
@Je5s3r I know right, i wasn't trying to read this plus i couldn't understand it.
Nightfighter301 4 months ago
Plato wasn't concerned with addressing religion, but grasping something higher then the shadows that make up empirical knowledge. Still, it stands to reason that just because someone can make an allegory doesn't necessarily mean their reasoning is accurate.
YehoshuaGier 1 year ago 2
totoo ba talga ung WISDOM(kaalaman ?)
levythotx 1 year ago
i got this the first time i watched this (:
TripleOG1991 1 year ago
Reality is what you make of it. If you suddenly see the world from the views and experiences of another then your reality no longer exists.
17RedPhoenix 1 year ago
Reality is what you make of it. If you suddenly see the world from the views and experiences of another then your reality no longer exists.
17RedPhoenix 1 year ago
TAKBIR!!!!!
bahoss 1 year ago
man i dont know about you guys but those lil clay dolls scare the shit out of me
MexicanoGuey 1 year ago 4
I'd like to know if this has anything to do with quantum physics
crusher1427 1 year ago
@crusher1427 lol What can this have to do with quantum physics? Quantum physics is just the physics about atoms.
pithikoulis 1 year ago
Yes.... From AP english
imanoob4 1 year ago
@TennisAnnalyst Basically what you say is not entirely true. I happen to study plato for my exams so here's what my books say. First of all I'd like to start by saying that the cave allegory is a part of plato's state and he uses it in an attempt to explain why philosophers are the most suitable ones to rule the state. According to his and his teacher's theory souls existed in the world of knowledge before one's birth and after his death.So all souls know everything and philosophy's goal
madgameris 1 year ago
@madgameris was to make the souls remember all they knew and more importantly the first truth, the one who is eternal and not affected by humans. In the allegory the real world is the cave and the shadows are the things around us, and the chains represent our five senses while the outside world is the world of knowledge and the light is indeed the knowledge. So the philosopher remembers what his soul already knows and wants to do the same with the other prisoners.though they will
madgameris 1 year ago
@madgameris not accept the real world because they are used to seeing the shadows(making a reference to his teacher's death). Plato was in fact an oligarch because he was an aristocrat both by birth and conviction and was pretty conservative he didn't believe that everyone should know the truth because then everyone would want to take part in governing the state and then anarchy would prevail something he didn't by any chance wanted. Sorry for my english haven't practiced them for a long time
madgameris 1 year ago
The knowledge is relative.
The perception of the world is limited by our experience.
Only individuals with exceptional skills to imagine abstract concepts and deduce the right logical answers from them can create something unseen. It happens for example in engineering, though rarely. Usually we just combine our already available knowledge on facts
EdTheBadass 1 year ago
This only scratches the surface of the allegory - a shadow of the full story! Plato goes on to explain much more. I wonder what he would have made of idiots asking how they were fed.
SuperRoger1953 1 year ago
JUST DO NOT BELIEVE ON HEARSAYS!!.. RIGHT? ^^
scorpionz07 1 year ago
Of course, none of this could happen in real life, could it?
We couldn't imagine a way in which people can only understand the world if it is confirmed by shadows on a wall, could we?
This whole thing sounds like a Seinfeld episode. Or is it just me?
finishstrongdoc 1 year ago
@finishstrongdoc It's not you... it's me!!! George is my philosopher king!!
uneedtherapy42 1 year ago
@uneedtherapy42 yada-yada-yada !!!
finishstrongdoc 1 year ago
"You can easily forgive a child that is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light"
"Ignorance is the root and the stem of every evil"
Plato
serreosoo8 1 year ago 5
how do they eat food and drink water, then they'll actually see something/....
BeamSurfer 1 year ago
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jiveturkeyusa 1 year ago
This has been flagged as spam show
So many stories to turn into claymaition OR animation of any sort!
jiveturkeyusa 1 year ago
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jiveturkeyusa 1 year ago
We must understand that people can only take in parts of this, as we appreciate Plato's complete and whole allegory of the cave. Truth is beautiful. People will seek out the complete version.
jiveturkeyusa 1 year ago
THE ORIGINAL VERSION IS BETTER
jiveturkeyusa 1 year ago
@TennisAnnalyst this is like the 4 dimension idea, we are chained into the 3-d world therefore we see shadows of 4-d objects as 3-d, if i freed you then you have to unchain yourself from an infinite number of chains, perhaps 100 dimensions, and 100 dimensions after that, it's infinite regression where-ever we go.
BeamSurfer 1 year ago
this touched my heart.
BeamSurfer 1 year ago
This is awesome. Thanks for making this video.
Thucydides2004 1 year ago
if i had killed plato in first place, i wud be ruling this world....lol
faraz9206 1 year ago
It's as if the minds of many are like fish trapped in a fishbowl of routine - unaware of the ocean of freedom that they belong to.
GhostStanza 1 year ago 85
Nice music in the background. Reminded me of a bollywood song "kajraray kajrarya". And bollywood for me is a metaphor for make-believe and illusions, which in turn is a reflection of Plato's cave.
mattooa 1 year ago
very good!
ajjim19 1 year ago
Watch the credits with transcript on. HAHAHAHA
And good vid btw
krabman7 1 year ago
lol@the transcribed audio
Foobyking9000 1 year ago
amazing video!
MyNameisRichGreen 1 year ago
cool voice
zsalvati 1 year ago
Rp made us watch this video. ♥ ira. =)
Dementedira 1 year ago 2
Hi RP People! (:
lamanditch 1 year ago
the cave wall is facebook
daanigarda 1 year ago 100
@daanigarda you are god.
tozza7157 11 months ago 2
great metaphor
i dont get it
is it anti-religion? or anti-atheism ? or something else?
Foobyking9000 1 year ago
@Foobyking9000 nothing of both
bloodcorer 1 year ago
@Foobyking9000 It depends on how you perceive it. The enlightened man returning to the cave explains his experience, but the uninformed group is unable to understand him... perhaps he's teaching democracy to a group that has only ever had a king. Perhaps he's teaching science to a group with no intellectual curiosity, and believes that fate randomly decides how things work.
It could be anti-religion, or anti-atheism, or anti-consumerism. Depends on your viewpoint.
bobdonda 10 months ago
This is a bad allegory. How do they eat, drink? Or go to the toilet? How are they able to speak? Who taught them? You might say that it's not important, and I'm missing the point. Am I? Just read the whole story and then judge this bullshit. Plato asked several questions at the end, which can be answered simply if you think about it. He never really stated anything with this f*ck*d up story, he just hopes you give the answers he has in mind (the wrong ones). Read Aristotle too.
andrejkiss 1 year ago
lol at 0:22 with transcribe audio on
funnyandcoolvids 1 year ago
it all boils down to. 1, pure representation 2, the mechanics of this representation 3, reality the material worl 4, beyond the immaterial
mabzy2009 1 year ago
I had to watch this today in my philosophy class and I still don't understand it! I also think this video is really creepy! :S
lucyanna94 1 year ago
@lucyanna94
The prisoners in the cave live in ignorance. They are like us - trapped by our perception of the world. We live caged by our understanding of things. The prisoner that was released could see all things free from perception. He actually SAW reality with no bias, no pre-conceived ideas. And when he tried to explain how wonderful it was to his friends, they could not understand. They were still ignorant and trapped by perception.
MsbacktoNYC 1 year ago
im doing this at uni and i have never known anything like this
mabzy2009 1 year ago
when I read book 7, the sun and the fire seemed parrallel in a sense just as the wall and the water(pond) seem to be analogous in the story....it almost seemed like two different worlds or phemona coexisted for the lower level mind and the higher leveled mind...but this video is helping visualize a little better thanks...
DriPersonaMama 1 year ago
this is legit:) makes me think!
denisieo92 1 year ago
By the reading the comment i see many are still in the cave lol. The outside world is controll of your emotions and fears, so you can live in peace and be free of mind not live life thinking and hating on others but your own.
jezza1789 1 year ago
Need to watch this for homework... :/
simplyianm 1 year ago
@simplyianm lol me too, I have to draw the whole thing and I suck at drawing lol
djjay7777 1 year ago
Plato describes EXACTLY what the allegory represents immediately afterwards in Republic. In this world, we only see imperfect copies (the shadows on the wall) of the perfect forms (actual objects above-ground). The forms include pretty much everything. The allegory has NOTHING to do with tv, magazines, or anything like it. It is an allegory that deals with cosmic philosophical issues. Plato says above-ground (realm of the forms) is more real than the cave world (our material world).
dmac14af 1 year ago 4
Please people, don't make historical philosophy into whatever you want it to be. Plato's whole philosophy hinged on the existence of a completely different realm that was actually more real than the material universe. That was the realm of the forms. Everything we see and talk about actually exists perfectly in another realm. We make reference to these absolutes because our souls used to dwell there. When we got bodies, our souls forgot and are now being "reminded" of what we used to know.
dmac14af 1 year ago 7