@xtrademolition God is irrelevant to this argument, sorry hon. Disgusting how? Explain in thorough detail please how two men or two women (who are CONSENTING ADULTS might add) is 'disgusting'? People are gay, you're just going to have to accept that. You don't have to like it, but don't be surprised or enraged when you see two men walking down the street holding hands. It's completely arrogant and egotistical to just expect others to conform to YOUR beliefs and comfort zone.
@xtrademolition So your saying that two people who love each other is gross and against nature? Your right, the world is messed up because of you people.
Ban government acknowledgement of ALL marriages, including existing ones. Problem solved. Not only is the problem solved, this is the best possible way to solve the problem because, in addition to marriage equality, you also ban the government from your bedroom and I like that. So does everyone else. Everyone. No exceptions.
That's true... everyone should have the right, but with marriage come the children... Do you think it is okay that a child has gay parents? The other kids probably wont understand that she/he has 2 fathers/mothers. Btw how do you think it will affect him/she? These children will be more open-minded i guess but is it right? Won't it affect him/she too much?
@nrx006 What negative effects would it have? Gay people don't teach kids to hate straight people, and sexual orientation of parents does not affect sexual orientation of children they raise. (Prime example: My parents are both straight, and I'm decidedly not.) The only thing it would really affect would be their views on LGBT people, which is a good thing, since there's nothing wrong with us! Maybe they'd get teased by mean kids at school, but even that's better than having no parents.
well zachary you have said it yourself before ( lifes not fair ) hell I am a man and I want to shower with the women in thier locker room but they wont let me, now your a woman in a mans body but you get to shower in the mens locker room with naked men when it is men that you are attracted too, just because your gay ( not fair )
i have an idea relive marriage from the rules of the government and the church so anyone can get married however they want no benefits or..... wait i got a better idea how about not getting married to anyone if you love someone dont marry them just stick around and do what you feel is best for your partner we dont need marriage much like we dont need religion, money, or anything else for that matter
I feel compelled to remind a lot of atheists that marriage is something of a religious nature and it doesn't belong into governments!
So, when people ask me if I'm in favour of gay marriage, I tell them that I'm against any kind of government marriages, not just gay marriage but straight marriage too!
@ZJemptv My mom says the points you laid out in this video is fuzzy logic. She believes gay people should be able to get married, but that this is not a good reason. What do you have to say to that?
@ZJemptv I thought it was a great reason as well. Since I don't fully understand what fuzzy logic means, I can't exactly say whether I agree with my mom or not though.
@SaruCharmed@SaruCharmed I'd say the logic is airtight. It just won't convince many people, as straights usually don't desire to marry a person of their own sex. Clearly, they aren't bothered by not being allowed to do something they don't want to do in the first place. Still, I am very glad this video was made, since I have been bothered by the assertion that same sex marriage "prevents gays from marrying"...no it doesn't, it just prevents them from marrying the person they'd *want* to marry.
OKAY OKAY I think marriage should be available for those who want it BUT it should not be recognized by the government. (hetero or homo) I'm straight but I will never be stupid enough to marry some bitch whom I will hate in 10 yrs, divorce, and take half of my shit. If the divorce rate in the US is more than 50% or more why even bother? For those who are married good for you but that is my opinion and don't think you are any better than me!!!!
Marriage in general is wrong. It is the oldest scam in human history. Why do married couples get tax breaks? Why do married couples get handouts for squirting out little brat children? There was a time ages ago when procreating was a survival instinct but not in the modern era. Why should the government award idiots for reproducing future idiots?
14th amendment is what defines second class citizenship. Basically you can not be against this amendment (legal servitude) and for same-sex marriage. As marriage is also an outlet as well define in becoming a citizen. Ironically that does not apply to most same sex couples even if they are married. So therefore gay, bi, transgenders, or lesbians, if you have a drivers license and you can legally work in this country you are not a second class citizen.
Second Class citizenship is defined by the 14th Amendment that allows for voluntary servitude. Meaning their natural born child can be given citizenship and they are that of second class, with out citizenship. Thus, being legal slavery.
I can see that being a case if the person whom was trying to get married in to citizenship was denied due to sexual orientation. But I don't see second class citizenship being the main point of arguing the legalization of same-sex marriage.
Oh, god! What's next, the right of children to vaccinations! Look, here, YOU! Oppression in America ended with WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE! I mean, BLACK SUFFRAGE! No! I meant WOMEN'S RIGHT TO WORK! Since then, everything has been PERFECT! Well, except for the Jews not being able to shop on Sundays, but we fixed that! NOW, everything is perfect. Besides, lots of my "gay" friends have kids now, so that proves they don't need to marry each other! Most of them are single, again, ladies! Grrrr!
i love it how some people learn a couple of laws and they think they are all high and mighty and rain over all the people that obtain less knowledge as them.
If you are claiming same sex marriage has it's right under a christian church or any other denomination. Then no. Maybe these people need to refer to the book they claim to adhere to. Secondly, in 1986 paganism was federally recognized. They also veiw same sex marriage as "Marriage." My question is merely this: Why so obtrusive?
@quirkjerks One reason is community property. Another is hospital visitation. Another is death benefits. Then there's alimony and child support (for the parent who takes the kids). Military benefits. Banking. Property rights. Parenting rights at school.
im also at a place most christians arent. i dont believe God likes homosexuality, but i do agree with you. under this constitution, in this country, in order to protect all citizens and their rights, homosexual marriage should be legal. i wish to stress that i still do not think God's laws are out of date. God hates sin, but we must all remember that he loves the sinner. that is why he sent his son to die for us, so that we may know him
But my right to marry the person Iove is that, a right. This is about rights not religion. If muslims think that you are a sinner for going to church instead of going to a musk, does that mean they are right??? That is what they believe in, and it is totally fine as long as you do not want to force those beliefs in other people. But this is not about beliefs this is about rights. I you don't like it don't marry a person of your same gender. No one will force you. Peace!!
you deny the fact that it takes a majority of people to propagate the addition or changes to laws. maybe you need to study how the legislative branch of the government works
Maybe you should learn about something called the judiciary. It's that branch of the government where, sometimes, the constitutionality of a given law is disputed. And, sometimes, that law is discarded for being unconstitutional. (I also suggest learning about something called the constitution.)
@ZJemptv Why would a gay want to marry? how does an official document that connects you with someone else make you happier? it is after all only a piece of paper !!! In a male-female relation, the marriage certificate is the deed which attests the foundation of family, the framework in which children are raised . Butgays cannot have kids
you must accept that homosexuality is a psychosexual disorder, it is not something natural
@iaaasi "how does an official document that connects you with someone else make you happier?"
Why do heterosexuals need it, then?
"In a male-female relation, the marriage certificate is the deed which attests the foundation of family, the framework in which children are raised ."
You don't have to have kids to get married.
"Butgays cannot have kids"
Yet many of them do. Why can't they get married?
Also, homosexuality is a natural phenomenon, as natural as heterosexuality.
I am not married with my gf and I am not going to in my near future; you are the ones who demand rights hoping that this will grant you the normality condition.
@iaaasi Why might anyone want to marry? To be able to share benefits, to be able to see your spouse in the hospital, to be able to travel in work in other parts of the world and bring your spouse with you, to get tax benefits, etc. Marriage provides a lot of benefits that help strengthen a family.
apparently your the minority. and as long as you are, it will be this way. that is the same with all laws and how they are passed. until enough people agree, your stuck. that being said, i think it violates my rights as a citizen for your agenda to be fast forwarded, when mine arent being. so for the time being at least, deal with it
Please educate yourself on the meaning of rights in a constitutional republic before blathering about your misconceptions. Otherwise 51% of us are going to vote away your right to free speech.
I love this. It's getting to the point where, let's face it, the common morality is not built on reason but on tradition, and people think it is ok to legislate that morality. So arguing from the legal standpoint just seals the deal. It doesn't matter if you think gay people are evil or demonic and however much you reject progress, you can't refute the point made in this vid. Even taking "gay" out of the equation altogether, it is utterly enequal. Well done, ZJ.
Poster you are my new best friend. Oh my God! I have said the exact same things about sexual orientation discrimination when it comes to marriage is also gender discriminatory. I used the same analogy as you and know one not even some gay people could understand what I was talking about. You don't know how relieved I am to see that others out there see it the way I/we do. Your argument makes perfect sense and I don't understand why more gay rights organizations are not using this argument.
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heterosexual sex between two consenting married adults is not perverse, homosexual sex is perverse. So pedophilia, bestiality and homosexuality are all in the same category (sexual perversion).
An arbitrary definition of certain things as being "perverse" is not a valid basis for moral judgement. Perhaps instead you should reexamine exactly what your criteria are for what constitutes "perversion".
By the way, would you support outlawing premarital sex?
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No I don't think I need to reexamine my standard, you do. Only recently have the lines been blurred and homosexuality been allowed. We live in strange times. Homosexuality has always been considered perverse. To answer your question, no I wouldn't support outlawing it.
Actually, your blindly uncritical and dogmatic stance on sexual ethics is outdated, and many have realized how utterly groundless it is. Are you afraid of a little critical inquiry into values? Maybe because people might start to understand your concept of "perversion" is meaningless?
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Oh okay, that's right, homosexuality has never been embraced by society in the past right? Wrong. Homosexuality has been embraced by many cultures . . . right before their fall! Greece, Rome, just to name a couple of great empires both embraced homosexuality before their social and political and moral collapse. Nothing new going on hear. The gay lifestyle is evil and corrupt and it will destroy those who embrace or indulge it, I'm sure you already know that.
You fail to take into the account that Greece and Rome outlived many other societies and have actually contributed a great deal to modern society. If sex did play a part in either of their destruction, it was a VERY minor role. There are several historical, commonly accepted explanations for the fall of Rome: disease, famine, pressure from outside enemies, riots, etc. (and no, sex did not cause them). Do some research instead of just relying on what people tell you.
nice, the 1st video I saw from you made me just say "wtf?!" (maybe I just wasn't catching what was being said....) but this one I like, makes a point that probably hasn't been thought of by many people at all.
I think after this gay marriage discrimination is finally overcome, homosexuals should fight against conception discrimination. As American citizens, homosexuals should have equal conception rights under the law. It's discriminatory that a man and woman can create new life with their sexual union and two men cannot. A law must be made to end the intolerance of those who wish to claim the rights to conception solely for one man and one woman.
Ah, there's that phrase from history class again - seperate but equal. Isn't that what they said about segregation of whites and blacks? I'd be willing to go so far to say most of you commenting are against that. So why are you trying to make it happen again - with gays and straights?
Marriage is a religious institution, so the churches are the ones who have the right to decide what it is or isn't. The state has no right to interfere in religious activities. That, my friend, is the TRUE meaning of separation of church and state.
loqutor, a consensus between all of the different religions will NEVER happen, so how can you make this a basis for affording people basic rights? When interracial marriages were originally legalized, individual churches could decide whether or not they wanted to marry two people of different races. If a particular denomination has a problem with gay people, they should keep it to themselves, not impose their views on the rest of us.
You seem to be mistaking my ideas. I fully support civil unions for same-sex couples. I just don't believe in forcing churches to perform marriages that they deem immoral. Separation of church and state goes both ways.
Exactly! I've always thought the same thing. I can't understand how anyone can accept gender equality and then use gender-specific language to define marriage. Anyway, I agree entirely.
On an unrelated note, the people leaving negative comments must be real idiots. I mean, if they can't stand gay people, why do they sit around watching youtube videos of them?
Religion "invented" marriage not the government if same sex couples want the same rights as heterosexual couples if gays want what straights have, they need to leave religion out of it.
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Lev 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
Making arguments based on quoting the Bible means relying on the assumption that both parties accept the Bible as an authoritative source (notwithstanding any variations in their respective interpretations). It makes about as much sense as me quoting the Qur'an to you and expecting you to find it convincing.
You know, that's only an "attack on Christians" because (some) Christians have chosen to make an article of faith out of opposing gay rights. They're the ones making this into a religious issue when it shouldn't be.
I have always wondered about this whole "gay rights" thing. Considering a gay person can literally do everything a straight person can, what are "gay rights"? Does that mean gays get MORE rights than a straight person?
No, actually, you would also have the option of marrying someone of the same sex, even if you don't want to. Just like we have the option (unfortunately, the only option in many places) of marrying someone of the opposite sex, even if we don't want to.
Adultery bans are not enforced.
Your repeated claims of "terrorism" are just unsubstantiated, and you've already admitted gay marriage itself isn't harmful, so I don't see why you'd bother trying to backtrack to why it should be allowed.
Adultery laws are enforced never reported. I never said gay marriage wasn't harmful, it just isn't terrorism. The terrorism comes from the intimidation and harassment perpetrated by gay "rights" activists. Businesses, individuals, and government officials support the gay "rights" movement for fear of being called bigots, prejudice, discriminatory, or any of the other choice words you people use to force people on to your side. Gay marriage can be harmful in that it validates open perversion.
You're assuming that homosexuality is perversion. Why? Banning gay marriage is just a lose-lose situation: gay people aren't going to stop being gay just because they can't get married, so you're accomplishing nothing on that front. Even worse, refusing to "validate open perversion" as you so delicately phrased it, will just force some gay people into sham marriages that will ultimately dissolve and contribute to that divorce rate (and possible adultery) you're so concerned about.
Much like fecophilia, asphyxophilia, S&M, etc, it is a sexual act that is abnormal, therefore a perversion. I am not trying to get gay people to stop being gay. I actually have gay friends who I have this debate with all the time. I don't care if you are gay or if you like your partner to pee on your face, doesn't matter to me as long as it is consensual, but you don't deserve special treatment based on your choice to be gay. Society shouldn't change just to validate your sexual desires.
We still let people who are into S&M and all that get married, so I don't really see what that comparison has to do with anything, other than just once again reasserting your own value judgements of what "perversion" is.
Who said straight people don't have perversions? It is just that most people don't define themselves by their perversion. Gays not only define themselves by it they want it celebrated and recognized by others. Also, it is not my judgment of a perversion, it is based on the definition of perversion "any of various means of obtaining sexual gratification that are generally regarded as being abnormal.". My comparison is completely valid, except you are too blind to see it.
Attraction to men, and attraction to women, aren't perversions. It baffles me that you think this is in any way comparable to S&M and everything else you've mentioned. You don't take issue with a woman being attracted to a man. But when a man is attracted to a man, you break out the coprophilia comparisons. Changing the gender of one of the partners in a relationship just isn't sufficient to alter the moral character of the relationship so radically.
There is a scientific reason for a woman to be attracted to a man and a man to a woman. It serves a purpose. Homosexuality serves what purpose again? Your side of the debate wants people to be praised and given special privileges based on their sexual desires. Why should society conform to them? Besides, homosexuals do not have the mentality to make a marriage work. Studies have already shown that homosexuals are more prone to promiscuity than heteros. Homosexuality is just about sex.
If homosexuality is just about sex, so is heterosexuality. Your crass reduction of attraction and romantic relationships between people, to a mere pairing of genitals, is just off-base. Any "special privileges" afforded to gays would be equally available to straights. Also, "probability that you're going to slut around" isn't a prerequisite for marriage currently, so why do you think that should have any bearing on whether a class of citizens is allowed to marry? And source your studies, please.
That is false, false, and FALSE. Homsexuals are just as capable of love as heterosexuals. I'm not saying that that's not the case sometimes, but you're basically saying that they're not capable of love. I know enough gay people to know that's not true.
Well, just saying it is false isn't going to work, look it up, there have been several studies. Of course homosexuals are not as capable of "love" as heterosexuals, because the feeling of "love" is an instinct ingrained in us to pass on and protect our genes. Homosexuals obviously do not have this instinct or they choose to ignore it. Don't be fooled by Disney, love has everything to do with evolution and nothing to do with relationships.
S&M is an abnormal sexual act? For one that's bull, because it is no longer classified as a mental disorder. Also, people have desires and fantasys, and as long as they don't hurt anyone else, it shouldn't matter to you what other people do in the privacy of their bedrooms.
Proposition 8, is a RE-AFFIRMATION of the definition of Marriage.Not a BAN of same sex marriage, When the legislation was written it was never dreamed that "same sex marriage " would be in view.The loony left are attempting hijack the definition. Is it also a BAN on Bestiality? POLYGAMY? INCEST?
Everyone has the right to Marry, as defined by God.See below.On what basis do you tell Christians that they should abandon our beleifs. Go and start your own homosexual country, America has its own established laws based on the Ten Commandments. So stop discriminating against heterosexuals.
Not everyone believes in your god. And even among those who do, some still support gay marriage. Marriage is a civil institution, it is not defined by a god. America's laws are also not based on the ten commandments (adultery isn't illegal, nor is coveting things, nor is worshipping gods other than capital-G God), and six states have already legalized gay marriage. Prop 8 did ban gay marriage, because it was previously legal, and the passage of Prop 8 revoked this.
Your argument is weak. That is like arguing that having separate bathrooms, locker rooms, and sporting divisions for men and women is sex segregation. Men and women are not equal because they are not the same, mentally or physically. There are several things women can do that men cannot and visa-versa. Gay marriage is an issue that is not really based on anything. It is not an issue of equality because a gay female can do anything a hetero female can do. So what is it's basis?
This argument is weak, because "the sexes are different" still doesn't explain why there should be any basis for not allowing women to marry women and men to marry men.
I didn't make an argument against gay marriage, I was just pointing out the major flaw in your argument in favor of it. If you want me to get into it I believe gay marriage is nothing more than a cry for attention by a minority who defines themselves by the set of sex organs they prefer to play with. Gay marriage is a joke and calling it a new chapter in the civil rights movement makes it a bad joke. Why should a gay couple get the same benefits as a hetero couple when they are not equal?
The same reason men don't go to see a gynecologist and women do. They are not the same. The benefits received by a married couple are designed to encourage a stable working family. Hetero couples raise the next generation so they can go on to do the same. I know there is the odd sterile couple and the abusive couple you people always throw out there, those are weak arguments. Hetero marriage is a proven system, it isn't perfect, but mocking it by saying a gay marriage is equal is insulting.
The "weak arguments" are examples that illustrate this isn't about gender. If you think marriage is about raising children, you could make reproduction or adoption a prerequisite to marriage. Yet nobody has done so. Gay couples can form stable working families just as well as heterosexuals. Extending marriage to heterosexuals while denying it to gay couples is baseless ("it's insulting" isn't actually a basis for anything).
Would it be insulting to homosexuals if homosexuality and pedophilia were considered to be the same? That is exactly the same thing. Of course reproduction is not a prerequisite for marriage, but most couples do reproduce and raise their kids. You can't adjust an entire system based on a minority of individuals that choose not to have or cannot have kids. At least a hetero couple is capable of reproducing. Nobody is saying you can't be gay, they are saying don't ruin marriage.
It would be insulting because you'd be saying consensual relations between adults are equivalent to fucking children. In that respect, you may as well say heterosexuality is the same as pedophilia.
Gay marriage has already been implemented in several states, and other countries. If you think this would somehow "ruin marriage", you should be able to point out some ways in which marriage is "ruined" in these jurisdictions.
Heterosexual sex serves a purpose other than physical pleasure, homosexual sex serves no other purpose, just like pedophilia. As for ruining marriage, marriage is already a struggling institution due to the increase in divorce rate. Letting men marry men officially makes it pointless and just a contract for benefits. Gay "love" is not equal to hetero "love", it serves no purpose. Society should not have to adjust to you based on your choice, and yes, it is a choice.
Your Aquinian take on sexual ethics fails to account for the fact that heterosexuals regularly engage in sex for pleasure, without procreation -- whether by use of birth control, sodomy, pulling out, etc. You're really going to compare that to raping children? And letting gay couples marry affects the heterosexual divorce rate... how? Why not just ban divorce, if it's such a problem?
My point was the divorce rate is increasing because marriage is no longer regarded as a serious arrangement. True, it has nothing to do with gays, but throw gay marriage into the mix and that will make a complete joke of the already struggling institution. My biggest problem with gay marriage movement is that is is a form of social terrorism. The gay "rights" activists claim they are seeking equality when in all actuality they are seeking to force an entire society to conform to their wishes.
Well, we're all waiting to see whether there will be any adverse impact on marriage, or society, in any form that could be even vaguely considered "terrorism", in the places where gay marriage is legal.
So far, it just doesn't seem like it's actually caused that much "terror" or really any major issues at all?
The act of gay marriage is not social terrorism, it is acquired through social terrorism. The entire gay "rights" movement is a social terrorist group. Gay marriage is just a byproduct. Gay marriage is just another "right" that the activists have been trying to acquire through intimidation and harassment. Here is a couple questions, why should gays be allowed to marry? What is the benefit to a society by allowing it?
You're absolutely right. And yes, marriage is a right. Not only that, but it is a legal institution, not a religious one. A man and a woman who just met can get married, so why can't two men or two women who actually love each other get married and enjoy the same tax status as heterosexual married couples?
Well, I give up. No body is changing nobody. The thing about politics and religion is that no body wins in a debate. You leave unchanged. And at best made stronger in your view. Its just nonsense arguing. I won't change and neither will you. My apologies for getting heated at times. XD. But I respect your beliefs and opinion (just minus out those pretty one sided comments). Hope the best.
we are not talking about polygamy. i thought you didn't believe in the bible. We could discuss NAMBLA or beastiality for marriage. The fact is marriage, traditional marriage, has always been between 1 man and 1 woman. And since when has marriage ever been a right anyway. I hear it all the time. Where is that? Not in constitution. Its a privalege. I believe that we should all be equal in RIGHTS. and marriage is not a right. That is something the media created to stir up some controversy.
actually marriage IS a right. SCOTUS ruled it is a basic civil right back in '67. Now: "traditional marriage" has NOT always been 1 man and 1 woman. In fact, it has been 1 man and multiple woman (and sometimes men) for far LONGER than it has been restricted to only 1 man 1 woman. I've got PLENTY of references to back all of this up. It's called Reading, and it's Fundamental! Thanks for the LOLZ!
No, since same sex marriage exists and polygamy exists, it has never always have
just been 1 man & 1 woman. Traditional marriage has always been 1 man & several other women if anything. Monocracy is traditional government, but do we & should we practice this just because it is traditional? No.
Its been formally a right since the Loving vs Virginia ruling. Heterosexuals should not have special rights/privilages within the law. Equality is a right.
i choose to be straight. No need to persuade. Thats kinda what the gay community does. What do you think there is an alarming high rate of people turning out gay after going to a gay bar? (statistic on google) I understand people are hard wired differently. But this is a mental issue. Not physical. (google for furthur info)
You tell me. Your the one with the you tube video. Many people like to say the environment is the basis. But really? I think its more of some kind of past experience. (Thats just a speculation). and no. Don't distort my comments...again. Im straight. I choose to be straight. And am sure as hell gonna stay straight.
Well, i gave you my answer in my comment. You seem pretty intelligent. think about it. What is the basis of our sexuality? Some say environment, some say experiences. Some say they were just born like that out of the blue. I wanna see that hold up in biology. If we were all "born" gay. What would happen? Now, if we were all shaped into the gay culture, what happens? you get my point?
The basis of sexuality, like all human behavoir, is 50% nature & 50% nurture. Its half genetic & half environmental. I'd like to point out that evolution happens in populations & not in individuals.
Lets put it this way Im all for equality. I feel that its wrong that homosexual individuals are pointed out from society and treated differently. Then comes the gay marriage issue. so why can't the gay community have all the benefits of marriage, yet keep it from infringing from the title. Marriage has always been between one man and one woman. Now when more homosexual people come up, we have to change it to make them happy? Why can't we all be happy. I get what I want, and u get what u want
Historically, marriage has often been between one man and *multiple women*. In a marriage. Together.
You are not "all for equality" if you believe heterosexual couples have a right that homosexual couples do not. Whatever you think you gain by having marriage restricted to heterosexual couples is outweighed by the interests of homosexual couples in having *equal* legal recognition of their relationships. What exactly is it what you "want", anyway?
Women for men and men for women that's it, no more complaining. Same sex marriage is simply disgusting and against nature and God !!
Oh this world is really messed up !
xtrademolition 5 months ago
@xtrademolition God is irrelevant to this argument, sorry hon. Disgusting how? Explain in thorough detail please how two men or two women (who are CONSENTING ADULTS might add) is 'disgusting'? People are gay, you're just going to have to accept that. You don't have to like it, but don't be surprised or enraged when you see two men walking down the street holding hands. It's completely arrogant and egotistical to just expect others to conform to YOUR beliefs and comfort zone.
KendallHartz 2 months ago
@xtrademolition How in hell does same sex marriage hurt you!
jokercardmachinima 2 months ago
@jokercardmachinima It does not hurt me or bother me at all as long as they don't try to fuck with me I'm alright!
I'm just saying what I know is true!
xtrademolition 2 months ago
@xtrademolition So your saying that two people who love each other is gross and against nature? Your right, the world is messed up because of you people.
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711nong 7 months ago
Imagine what it would be like for you if you were treated in a bad way just because of you sexuality, it must feel very bad.
Merplov 8 months ago
This is a great video, everyone should be pro equal rights for gays and lesbians, and be tolerant to gays and lesbians.
Merplov 8 months ago
Ban government acknowledgement of ALL marriages, including existing ones. Problem solved. Not only is the problem solved, this is the best possible way to solve the problem because, in addition to marriage equality, you also ban the government from your bedroom and I like that. So does everyone else. Everyone. No exceptions.
TheCeejReturns 8 months ago
That's true... everyone should have the right, but with marriage come the children... Do you think it is okay that a child has gay parents? The other kids probably wont understand that she/he has 2 fathers/mothers. Btw how do you think it will affect him/she? These children will be more open-minded i guess but is it right? Won't it affect him/she too much?
nrx006 10 months ago
@nrx006 Children are individuals. God loving parents may not make God loving children.
Two straight parents may not make straight children.
Two kind parents may not make kind children.
It just makes children aware that this happens.
IKillBabyKittensLOL 9 months ago
@nrx006 What negative effects would it have? Gay people don't teach kids to hate straight people, and sexual orientation of parents does not affect sexual orientation of children they raise. (Prime example: My parents are both straight, and I'm decidedly not.) The only thing it would really affect would be their views on LGBT people, which is a good thing, since there's nothing wrong with us! Maybe they'd get teased by mean kids at school, but even that's better than having no parents.
Tamugetsu 6 months ago
@Tamugetsu I know that they don't teach their kids to hate straight people. Ofc not:)
Yes, that's better than having no parents.
nrx006 6 months ago
@nrx006 Then what's the problem with same-sex parents?
Tamugetsu 6 months ago
@Tamugetsu
I don't think there's a problem with them.
But as I said: the discrimination. But as you said it's better than having no parents.
nrx006 6 months ago
well zachary you have said it yourself before ( lifes not fair ) hell I am a man and I want to shower with the women in thier locker room but they wont let me, now your a woman in a mans body but you get to shower in the mens locker room with naked men when it is men that you are attracted too, just because your gay ( not fair )
meattube4u33 11 months ago
ur only right is to go shove jerbals up ur arse and cry urself to sleep
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ETHEUNICE 1 year ago
Finally! Yes someone who makes sense! You are awesome!
12395294 1 year ago
i have an idea relive marriage from the rules of the government and the church so anyone can get married however they want no benefits or..... wait i got a better idea how about not getting married to anyone if you love someone dont marry them just stick around and do what you feel is best for your partner we dont need marriage much like we dont need religion, money, or anything else for that matter
dimor696 1 year ago
@dimor696 That idea is called Marxism, the foundation for Communism. We need social structure of one form or another
ControlIsDead13 1 year ago
@ControlIsDead13 your right we do we need a social structure but ones that we have in this world don't work and almost no one is willing to fix it
dimor696 1 year ago
I feel compelled to remind a lot of atheists that marriage is something of a religious nature and it doesn't belong into governments!
So, when people ask me if I'm in favour of gay marriage, I tell them that I'm against any kind of government marriages, not just gay marriage but straight marriage too!
rebelq1 1 year ago
I agree with most of what you said and its how you said it but GOD DAMN show some feeling. I get it but you are just so cold.
Splangy1 1 year ago
@ZJemptv My mom says the points you laid out in this video is fuzzy logic. She believes gay people should be able to get married, but that this is not a good reason. What do you have to say to that?
SaruCharmed 1 year ago
@SaruCharmed I think it's a great reason. Adult males and females are already marriageable. Why should gender make any difference?
ZJemptv 1 year ago
@ZJemptv I thought it was a great reason as well. Since I don't fully understand what fuzzy logic means, I can't exactly say whether I agree with my mom or not though.
SaruCharmed 1 year ago
That is why banning same sex marriage is wrong...it restricts an individual's choice.
Very clever argument, ZJemptv!
jprt1990 8 months ago
@SaruCharmed @SaruCharmed I'd say the logic is airtight. It just won't convince many people, as straights usually don't desire to marry a person of their own sex. Clearly, they aren't bothered by not being allowed to do something they don't want to do in the first place. Still, I am very glad this video was made, since I have been bothered by the assertion that same sex marriage "prevents gays from marrying"...no it doesn't, it just prevents them from marrying the person they'd *want* to marry.
jprt1990 8 months ago
@jprt1990 Exactly. Hateful people try to make sneaky little loopholes to get what they want.
SaruCharmed 8 months ago
OKAY OKAY I think marriage should be available for those who want it BUT it should not be recognized by the government. (hetero or homo) I'm straight but I will never be stupid enough to marry some bitch whom I will hate in 10 yrs, divorce, and take half of my shit. If the divorce rate in the US is more than 50% or more why even bother? For those who are married good for you but that is my opinion and don't think you are any better than me!!!!
JPaxton1616 1 year ago
Marriage in general is wrong. It is the oldest scam in human history. Why do married couples get tax breaks? Why do married couples get handouts for squirting out little brat children? There was a time ages ago when procreating was a survival instinct but not in the modern era. Why should the government award idiots for reproducing future idiots?
JPaxton1616 1 year ago
I've been wondering something: In what part/s of the law is/are the distinction between sexes necessary?
NiccolaVonMask 1 year ago
14th amendment is what defines second class citizenship. Basically you can not be against this amendment (legal servitude) and for same-sex marriage. As marriage is also an outlet as well define in becoming a citizen. Ironically that does not apply to most same sex couples even if they are married. So therefore gay, bi, transgenders, or lesbians, if you have a drivers license and you can legally work in this country you are not a second class citizen.
CHardi1099 1 year ago
Second Class citizenship is defined by the 14th Amendment that allows for voluntary servitude. Meaning their natural born child can be given citizenship and they are that of second class, with out citizenship. Thus, being legal slavery.
I can see that being a case if the person whom was trying to get married in to citizenship was denied due to sexual orientation. But I don't see second class citizenship being the main point of arguing the legalization of same-sex marriage.
CHardi1099 1 year ago
Oh, god! What's next, the right of children to vaccinations! Look, here, YOU! Oppression in America ended with WOMEN'S SUFFRAGE! I mean, BLACK SUFFRAGE! No! I meant WOMEN'S RIGHT TO WORK! Since then, everything has been PERFECT! Well, except for the Jews not being able to shop on Sundays, but we fixed that! NOW, everything is perfect. Besides, lots of my "gay" friends have kids now, so that proves they don't need to marry each other! Most of them are single, again, ladies! Grrrr!
Ray77063 1 year ago
Everyone below me; don't bring religion into this. Your sexual orientation has NOTHING to do with your religious beliefs. They're 2 different things.
JENNJIGSAW 1 year ago
I totally agree with this video! Gay people should have every right to get married!
Lucindor600 1 year ago
wow
i love it how some people learn a couple of laws and they think they are all high and mighty and rain over all the people that obtain less knowledge as them.
Jesus231804 1 year ago
If you are claiming same sex marriage has it's right under a christian church or any other denomination. Then no. Maybe these people need to refer to the book they claim to adhere to. Secondly, in 1986 paganism was federally recognized. They also veiw same sex marriage as "Marriage." My question is merely this: Why so obtrusive?
quirkjerks 2 years ago
@quirkjerks One reason is community property. Another is hospital visitation. Another is death benefits. Then there's alimony and child support (for the parent who takes the kids). Military benefits. Banking. Property rights. Parenting rights at school.
Ray77063 1 year ago
im also at a place most christians arent. i dont believe God likes homosexuality, but i do agree with you. under this constitution, in this country, in order to protect all citizens and their rights, homosexual marriage should be legal. i wish to stress that i still do not think God's laws are out of date. God hates sin, but we must all remember that he loves the sinner. that is why he sent his son to die for us, so that we may know him
kjmrice 2 years ago
But my right to marry the person Iove is that, a right. This is about rights not religion. If muslims think that you are a sinner for going to church instead of going to a musk, does that mean they are right??? That is what they believe in, and it is totally fine as long as you do not want to force those beliefs in other people. But this is not about beliefs this is about rights. I you don't like it don't marry a person of your same gender. No one will force you. Peace!!
roberes34 1 year ago
well, your right, the judiciary branch could say that a law is unconstitutional. i dont think it will happen that way, but i definately could
kjmrice 2 years ago
you deny the fact that it takes a majority of people to propagate the addition or changes to laws. maybe you need to study how the legislative branch of the government works
kjmrice 2 years ago
Maybe you should learn about something called the judiciary. It's that branch of the government where, sometimes, the constitutionality of a given law is disputed. And, sometimes, that law is discarded for being unconstitutional. (I also suggest learning about something called the constitution.)
ZJemptv 2 years ago
@ZJemptv Why would a gay want to marry? how does an official document that connects you with someone else make you happier? it is after all only a piece of paper !!! In a male-female relation, the marriage certificate is the deed which attests the foundation of family, the framework in which children are raised . Butgays cannot have kids
you must accept that homosexuality is a psychosexual disorder, it is not something natural
iaaasi 1 year ago
@iaaasi "how does an official document that connects you with someone else make you happier?"
Why do heterosexuals need it, then?
"In a male-female relation, the marriage certificate is the deed which attests the foundation of family, the framework in which children are raised ."
You don't have to have kids to get married.
"Butgays cannot have kids"
Yet many of them do. Why can't they get married?
Also, homosexuality is a natural phenomenon, as natural as heterosexuality.
ZJemptv 1 year ago
@ZJemptv
"Also, homosexuality is a natural phenomenon"
as natural as aids or cancer
Why do heterosexuals need it, then?
I am not married with my gf and I am not going to in my near future; you are the ones who demand rights hoping that this will grant you the normality condition.
"Yet many of them do"
The only thing they can born are pieces of shit
iaaasi 1 year ago
@iaaasi sorry I did not want to offend you, I think you are a great person and I appreciate you videos about religion
iaaasi 1 year ago
@ZJemptv Homosexuality is as natural as paraphilias: Abasiophilia · Acrotomophilia · Agalmatophilia · Algolagnia · Andromimetophilia · Apotemnophilia · Autassassinophilia · Autoandrophilia · Autogynephilia · Biastophilia · Chremastistophilia · Chronophilia · Coprophilia · Dacryphilia · Dendrophilia · Dippoldism · Emetophilia · Erotic asphyxiation · Erotophonophilia ·
iaaasi 1 year ago
@iaaasi Being attracted to men or women is not a paraphilia. By that criterion, heterosexuality is a paraphilia.
ZJemptv 1 year ago 2
@ZJemptv do you consider yourself a homosexual or a transgender? if you like to look loke a girl maybe variant no 2 :)
iaaasi 1 year ago
@iaaasi Why might anyone want to marry? To be able to share benefits, to be able to see your spouse in the hospital, to be able to travel in work in other parts of the world and bring your spouse with you, to get tax benefits, etc. Marriage provides a lot of benefits that help strengthen a family.
PriscillaRelentless 1 year ago
apparently your the minority. and as long as you are, it will be this way. that is the same with all laws and how they are passed. until enough people agree, your stuck. that being said, i think it violates my rights as a citizen for your agenda to be fast forwarded, when mine arent being. so for the time being at least, deal with it
kjmrice 2 years ago
Please educate yourself on the meaning of rights in a constitutional republic before blathering about your misconceptions. Otherwise 51% of us are going to vote away your right to free speech.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
@ZJemptv
Oh, snap!
prolefeedprocessor 1 year ago
I love this. It's getting to the point where, let's face it, the common morality is not built on reason but on tradition, and people think it is ok to legislate that morality. So arguing from the legal standpoint just seals the deal. It doesn't matter if you think gay people are evil or demonic and however much you reject progress, you can't refute the point made in this vid. Even taking "gay" out of the equation altogether, it is utterly enequal. Well done, ZJ.
prolefeedprocessor 2 years ago 2
Ooohhh this is a profound argument O_O
Stonehawk 2 years ago
lol, you are awesome!
soth3d 2 years ago
Poster you are my new best friend. Oh my God! I have said the exact same things about sexual orientation discrimination when it comes to marriage is also gender discriminatory. I used the same analogy as you and know one not even some gay people could understand what I was talking about. You don't know how relieved I am to see that others out there see it the way I/we do. Your argument makes perfect sense and I don't understand why more gay rights organizations are not using this argument.
equalityboy81 2 years ago
Homophobia in and of itself is sex discrimination. biological sex should not take a part in whether or not someone's sexuality is okay. you rock.
DevilWomanCake 2 years ago 2
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Sexual discrimination is good. Pedophiles sexual preference is children, some people enjoy sex with animals, etc.
xmikeandlaurenx 2 years ago
If sex between two consenting adults is comparable to pedophilia and bestiality, aren't you condemning heterosexuality, too?
ZJemptv 2 years ago
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heterosexual sex between two consenting married adults is not perverse, homosexual sex is perverse. So pedophilia, bestiality and homosexuality are all in the same category (sexual perversion).
xmikeandlaurenx 2 years ago
An arbitrary definition of certain things as being "perverse" is not a valid basis for moral judgement. Perhaps instead you should reexamine exactly what your criteria are for what constitutes "perversion".
By the way, would you support outlawing premarital sex?
ZJemptv 2 years ago
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No I don't think I need to reexamine my standard, you do. Only recently have the lines been blurred and homosexuality been allowed. We live in strange times. Homosexuality has always been considered perverse. To answer your question, no I wouldn't support outlawing it.
xmikeandlaurenx 2 years ago
Actually, your blindly uncritical and dogmatic stance on sexual ethics is outdated, and many have realized how utterly groundless it is. Are you afraid of a little critical inquiry into values? Maybe because people might start to understand your concept of "perversion" is meaningless?
ZJemptv 2 years ago
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Oh okay, that's right, homosexuality has never been embraced by society in the past right? Wrong. Homosexuality has been embraced by many cultures . . . right before their fall! Greece, Rome, just to name a couple of great empires both embraced homosexuality before their social and political and moral collapse. Nothing new going on hear. The gay lifestyle is evil and corrupt and it will destroy those who embrace or indulge it, I'm sure you already know that.
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DevilWomanCake 2 years ago
You fail to take into the account that Greece and Rome outlived many other societies and have actually contributed a great deal to modern society. If sex did play a part in either of their destruction, it was a VERY minor role. There are several historical, commonly accepted explanations for the fall of Rome: disease, famine, pressure from outside enemies, riots, etc. (and no, sex did not cause them). Do some research instead of just relying on what people tell you.
galaxypirate 2 years ago
your an antagonist...
KevinKayotic 2 years ago
Glad gay marriage is allowed here in Holland.
Wish other countries would see the idiocy behind disallowing/ban gay marriage.
Dharion 2 years ago
nice, the 1st video I saw from you made me just say "wtf?!" (maybe I just wasn't catching what was being said....) but this one I like, makes a point that probably hasn't been thought of by many people at all.
dinozsayRAWR 2 years ago
I very much enjoy this video! <3
SlaveMistressKandi 2 years ago
Agreed! <3
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I think after this gay marriage discrimination is finally overcome, homosexuals should fight against conception discrimination. As American citizens, homosexuals should have equal conception rights under the law. It's discriminatory that a man and woman can create new life with their sexual union and two men cannot. A law must be made to end the intolerance of those who wish to claim the rights to conception solely for one man and one woman.
4LULZnAT 2 years ago
Ah, there's that phrase from history class again - seperate but equal. Isn't that what they said about segregation of whites and blacks? I'd be willing to go so far to say most of you commenting are against that. So why are you trying to make it happen again - with gays and straights?
alexrousseau815 2 years ago
EXACTLY!!!!!
cumdahellon 2 years ago
Marriage is a religious institution, so the churches are the ones who have the right to decide what it is or isn't. The state has no right to interfere in religious activities. That, my friend, is the TRUE meaning of separation of church and state.
loqutor 2 years ago
loqutor, a consensus between all of the different religions will NEVER happen, so how can you make this a basis for affording people basic rights? When interracial marriages were originally legalized, individual churches could decide whether or not they wanted to marry two people of different races. If a particular denomination has a problem with gay people, they should keep it to themselves, not impose their views on the rest of us.
BIitzed 2 years ago
You seem to be mistaking my ideas. I fully support civil unions for same-sex couples. I just don't believe in forcing churches to perform marriages that they deem immoral. Separation of church and state goes both ways.
loqutor 2 years ago
Well, in that case I suppose I agree. Religious people have the right to hate anyone they want,
BIitzed 2 years ago
Most religious people actually do not hate homosexuals. I certainly don't.
loqutor 2 years ago
Gays should not have any right to do the nasty things they do.
ninpo2006 2 years ago
Would you agree that heterosexuals do not have the right to practice sodomy?
ZJemptv 2 years ago
A man and a woman should be able to do what they want as long as it is kept private.
ninpo2006 2 years ago
Whoops, there's that sex discrimination thing again. Turns out gender isn't a prerequisite to the right to privacy.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
I certainly discriminate against queers.
You should consider becoming a eunuch. It's not quite as bad as being a full blown queer.
ninpo2006 2 years ago
gays as humans deserve all the rights straight people do
idaman12345 2 years ago
Exactly! I've always thought the same thing. I can't understand how anyone can accept gender equality and then use gender-specific language to define marriage. Anyway, I agree entirely.
On an unrelated note, the people leaving negative comments must be real idiots. I mean, if they can't stand gay people, why do they sit around watching youtube videos of them?
CumbrianPenguin 2 years ago
why do u dress as a woman?
PaulkyArcher 2 years ago
Religion "invented" marriage not the government if same sex couples want the same rights as heterosexual couples if gays want what straights have, they need to leave religion out of it.
shagittome 2 years ago
You know...You should really consider blinking more in your videos.
ParasiticXExperiment 2 years ago
Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.
Lev 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion.
hwd71 2 years ago
Making arguments based on quoting the Bible means relying on the assumption that both parties accept the Bible as an authoritative source (notwithstanding any variations in their respective interpretations). It makes about as much sense as me quoting the Qur'an to you and expecting you to find it convincing.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
Lev 18:24 Defile not ye yourselves in any of these things: for in all these the nations are defiled which I cast out before you:
Lev 18:25 And the land is defiled: therefore I do visit the iniquity thereof upon it, and the land itself vomiteth out her inhabitants.
hwd71 2 years ago
Psa 33:12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the LORD; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance."- KJV
hwd71 2 years ago
See also, "Sean Penn's Attack on Christians Reposted After Censorship" by James White
hwd71 2 years ago
You know, that's only an "attack on Christians" because (some) Christians have chosen to make an article of faith out of opposing gay rights. They're the ones making this into a religious issue when it shouldn't be.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
I have always wondered about this whole "gay rights" thing. Considering a gay person can literally do everything a straight person can, what are "gay rights"? Does that mean gays get MORE rights than a straight person?
Ericjpomeroy 2 years ago
No, actually, you would also have the option of marrying someone of the same sex, even if you don't want to. Just like we have the option (unfortunately, the only option in many places) of marrying someone of the opposite sex, even if we don't want to.
Adultery bans are not enforced.
Your repeated claims of "terrorism" are just unsubstantiated, and you've already admitted gay marriage itself isn't harmful, so I don't see why you'd bother trying to backtrack to why it should be allowed.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
Adultery laws are enforced never reported. I never said gay marriage wasn't harmful, it just isn't terrorism. The terrorism comes from the intimidation and harassment perpetrated by gay "rights" activists. Businesses, individuals, and government officials support the gay "rights" movement for fear of being called bigots, prejudice, discriminatory, or any of the other choice words you people use to force people on to your side. Gay marriage can be harmful in that it validates open perversion.
Ericjpomeroy 2 years ago
You're assuming that homosexuality is perversion. Why? Banning gay marriage is just a lose-lose situation: gay people aren't going to stop being gay just because they can't get married, so you're accomplishing nothing on that front. Even worse, refusing to "validate open perversion" as you so delicately phrased it, will just force some gay people into sham marriages that will ultimately dissolve and contribute to that divorce rate (and possible adultery) you're so concerned about.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
Much like fecophilia, asphyxophilia, S&M, etc, it is a sexual act that is abnormal, therefore a perversion. I am not trying to get gay people to stop being gay. I actually have gay friends who I have this debate with all the time. I don't care if you are gay or if you like your partner to pee on your face, doesn't matter to me as long as it is consensual, but you don't deserve special treatment based on your choice to be gay. Society shouldn't change just to validate your sexual desires.
Ericjpomeroy 2 years ago
We still let people who are into S&M and all that get married, so I don't really see what that comparison has to do with anything, other than just once again reasserting your own value judgements of what "perversion" is.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
Who said straight people don't have perversions? It is just that most people don't define themselves by their perversion. Gays not only define themselves by it they want it celebrated and recognized by others. Also, it is not my judgment of a perversion, it is based on the definition of perversion "any of various means of obtaining sexual gratification that are generally regarded as being abnormal.". My comparison is completely valid, except you are too blind to see it.
Ericjpomeroy 2 years ago
Attraction to men, and attraction to women, aren't perversions. It baffles me that you think this is in any way comparable to S&M and everything else you've mentioned. You don't take issue with a woman being attracted to a man. But when a man is attracted to a man, you break out the coprophilia comparisons. Changing the gender of one of the partners in a relationship just isn't sufficient to alter the moral character of the relationship so radically.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
There is a scientific reason for a woman to be attracted to a man and a man to a woman. It serves a purpose. Homosexuality serves what purpose again? Your side of the debate wants people to be praised and given special privileges based on their sexual desires. Why should society conform to them? Besides, homosexuals do not have the mentality to make a marriage work. Studies have already shown that homosexuals are more prone to promiscuity than heteros. Homosexuality is just about sex.
Ericjpomeroy 2 years ago
If homosexuality is just about sex, so is heterosexuality. Your crass reduction of attraction and romantic relationships between people, to a mere pairing of genitals, is just off-base. Any "special privileges" afforded to gays would be equally available to straights. Also, "probability that you're going to slut around" isn't a prerequisite for marriage currently, so why do you think that should have any bearing on whether a class of citizens is allowed to marry? And source your studies, please.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
That is false, false, and FALSE. Homsexuals are just as capable of love as heterosexuals. I'm not saying that that's not the case sometimes, but you're basically saying that they're not capable of love. I know enough gay people to know that's not true.
KyanisSunweaver 2 years ago
....i think you are confused. you realize ZJ is for same sex marriage, right?
Astryth 2 years ago
Well, just saying it is false isn't going to work, look it up, there have been several studies. Of course homosexuals are not as capable of "love" as heterosexuals, because the feeling of "love" is an instinct ingrained in us to pass on and protect our genes. Homosexuals obviously do not have this instinct or they choose to ignore it. Don't be fooled by Disney, love has everything to do with evolution and nothing to do with relationships.
Ericjpomeroy 2 years ago
Just so you know he is supporting gay marriage...
animefreak12234 2 years ago
S&M is an abnormal sexual act? For one that's bull, because it is no longer classified as a mental disorder. Also, people have desires and fantasys, and as long as they don't hurt anyone else, it shouldn't matter to you what other people do in the privacy of their bedrooms.
KyanisSunweaver 2 years ago
If homosexuality is no longer classified as a mental disorder, what exactly is it classified as right now?
DeadEndScreamer 2 years ago
I hope you're just bad at satire.
physicsgeek21690 2 years ago
Proposition 8, is a RE-AFFIRMATION of the definition of Marriage.Not a BAN of same sex marriage, When the legislation was written it was never dreamed that "same sex marriage " would be in view.The loony left are attempting hijack the definition. Is it also a BAN on Bestiality? POLYGAMY? INCEST?
hwd71 2 years ago
Everyone has the right to Marry, as defined by God.See below.On what basis do you tell Christians that they should abandon our beleifs. Go and start your own homosexual country, America has its own established laws based on the Ten Commandments. So stop discriminating against heterosexuals.
hwd71 2 years ago
Not everyone believes in your god. And even among those who do, some still support gay marriage. Marriage is a civil institution, it is not defined by a god. America's laws are also not based on the ten commandments (adultery isn't illegal, nor is coveting things, nor is worshipping gods other than capital-G God), and six states have already legalized gay marriage. Prop 8 did ban gay marriage, because it was previously legal, and the passage of Prop 8 revoked this.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
Adultery IS illegal in several states.
Ericjpomeroy 2 years ago
This is the origin and definition of Marriage, as ordained by The Lord God,is as follows.
but for Adam there was not found an help meet for him.
hwd71 2 years ago
Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
hwd71 2 years ago
Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
hwd71 2 years ago
Your argument is weak. That is like arguing that having separate bathrooms, locker rooms, and sporting divisions for men and women is sex segregation. Men and women are not equal because they are not the same, mentally or physically. There are several things women can do that men cannot and visa-versa. Gay marriage is an issue that is not really based on anything. It is not an issue of equality because a gay female can do anything a hetero female can do. So what is it's basis?
Ericjpomeroy 2 years ago
This argument is weak, because "the sexes are different" still doesn't explain why there should be any basis for not allowing women to marry women and men to marry men.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
I didn't make an argument against gay marriage, I was just pointing out the major flaw in your argument in favor of it. If you want me to get into it I believe gay marriage is nothing more than a cry for attention by a minority who defines themselves by the set of sex organs they prefer to play with. Gay marriage is a joke and calling it a new chapter in the civil rights movement makes it a bad joke. Why should a gay couple get the same benefits as a hetero couple when they are not equal?
Ericjpomeroy 2 years ago
Not equal? Why should the gender of the participants in a marriage have any bearing on the benefits they receive?
ZJemptv 2 years ago
The same reason men don't go to see a gynecologist and women do. They are not the same. The benefits received by a married couple are designed to encourage a stable working family. Hetero couples raise the next generation so they can go on to do the same. I know there is the odd sterile couple and the abusive couple you people always throw out there, those are weak arguments. Hetero marriage is a proven system, it isn't perfect, but mocking it by saying a gay marriage is equal is insulting.
Ericjpomeroy 2 years ago
The "weak arguments" are examples that illustrate this isn't about gender. If you think marriage is about raising children, you could make reproduction or adoption a prerequisite to marriage. Yet nobody has done so. Gay couples can form stable working families just as well as heterosexuals. Extending marriage to heterosexuals while denying it to gay couples is baseless ("it's insulting" isn't actually a basis for anything).
ZJemptv 2 years ago
Would it be insulting to homosexuals if homosexuality and pedophilia were considered to be the same? That is exactly the same thing. Of course reproduction is not a prerequisite for marriage, but most couples do reproduce and raise their kids. You can't adjust an entire system based on a minority of individuals that choose not to have or cannot have kids. At least a hetero couple is capable of reproducing. Nobody is saying you can't be gay, they are saying don't ruin marriage.
Ericjpomeroy 2 years ago
It would be insulting because you'd be saying consensual relations between adults are equivalent to fucking children. In that respect, you may as well say heterosexuality is the same as pedophilia.
Gay marriage has already been implemented in several states, and other countries. If you think this would somehow "ruin marriage", you should be able to point out some ways in which marriage is "ruined" in these jurisdictions.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
Heterosexual sex serves a purpose other than physical pleasure, homosexual sex serves no other purpose, just like pedophilia. As for ruining marriage, marriage is already a struggling institution due to the increase in divorce rate. Letting men marry men officially makes it pointless and just a contract for benefits. Gay "love" is not equal to hetero "love", it serves no purpose. Society should not have to adjust to you based on your choice, and yes, it is a choice.
Ericjpomeroy 2 years ago
Your Aquinian take on sexual ethics fails to account for the fact that heterosexuals regularly engage in sex for pleasure, without procreation -- whether by use of birth control, sodomy, pulling out, etc. You're really going to compare that to raping children? And letting gay couples marry affects the heterosexual divorce rate... how? Why not just ban divorce, if it's such a problem?
ZJemptv 2 years ago
My point was the divorce rate is increasing because marriage is no longer regarded as a serious arrangement. True, it has nothing to do with gays, but throw gay marriage into the mix and that will make a complete joke of the already struggling institution. My biggest problem with gay marriage movement is that is is a form of social terrorism. The gay "rights" activists claim they are seeking equality when in all actuality they are seeking to force an entire society to conform to their wishes.
Ericjpomeroy 2 years ago
Well, we're all waiting to see whether there will be any adverse impact on marriage, or society, in any form that could be even vaguely considered "terrorism", in the places where gay marriage is legal.
So far, it just doesn't seem like it's actually caused that much "terror" or really any major issues at all?
ZJemptv 2 years ago
The act of gay marriage is not social terrorism, it is acquired through social terrorism. The entire gay "rights" movement is a social terrorist group. Gay marriage is just a byproduct. Gay marriage is just another "right" that the activists have been trying to acquire through intimidation and harassment. Here is a couple questions, why should gays be allowed to marry? What is the benefit to a society by allowing it?
Ericjpomeroy 2 years ago
you're VERY smart
cumdahellon 2 years ago
Jesus said, " Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,
Mat 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?
Mat 19:6 Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.
hwd71 2 years ago
See here for refutation by James White. "Sean Penn's Attack on Christians Reposted After Censorship"
hwd71 2 years ago
Gen 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;
Gen 2:22 And the rib, which the LORD God had taken from man, made he a woman, and brought her unto the man.
hwd71 2 years ago
Gen 2:23 And Adam said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be called Woman, because she was taken out of Man.
Gen 2:24 Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.
hwd71 2 years ago
you explain things perfectly, but people still dont get the point
Dream0ver 2 years ago
Thank you for your video blogs. I enjoy each and every one of them.
muellerican 2 years ago
more ppl need to think freely and not on religion.
aserathmoon 2 years ago
kiwisunshine5233 , So typical with you stick it into whatever you wanters. So just stick it.
oneinthemelon 2 years ago
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jdot, so mature. marry what ever you want. you can even marry a moron, like yourself hahahahahaha...
oneinthemelon 2 years ago
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hey uber, you can always marry a tail pipe
oneinthemelon 2 years ago
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Sweet, I can marry my pet cow. Sweet. Dude you are gay. male maybe what Dude Dang
If you are human you should be able to marry anything you want, otherwise me being discriminated against. boo hoo
oneinthemelon 2 years ago
Because marrying a beast or an inanimate object is one and the same as marrying another adult human being who is capable of giving consent.
kiwisunshine5233 2 years ago
case closed! well proven point
taff360 2 years ago
Marriage is a right, not a heterosexual priviledge.
It deeply saddens me to know that I may never get married someday because of this ban on gay marriage.
uberfittie 2 years ago
Hell yeah! cool video
ZipperMason 2 years ago
You're absolutely right. And yes, marriage is a right. Not only that, but it is a legal institution, not a religious one. A man and a woman who just met can get married, so why can't two men or two women who actually love each other get married and enjoy the same tax status as heterosexual married couples?
PluralOfEverything 2 years ago
Dude, you are a guy, Dude !!!!!!!!!!!!!
oneinthemelon 2 years ago
Moron, you are a dumbshit, Moron !!!!!!!!!!!!!
jdotglenn 2 years ago
You are the real life version of Meg from Family Guy.
kingcahoj 2 years ago
Well, I give up. No body is changing nobody. The thing about politics and religion is that no body wins in a debate. You leave unchanged. And at best made stronger in your view. Its just nonsense arguing. I won't change and neither will you. My apologies for getting heated at times. XD. But I respect your beliefs and opinion (just minus out those pretty one sided comments). Hope the best.
metalheart360 2 years ago
we are not talking about polygamy. i thought you didn't believe in the bible. We could discuss NAMBLA or beastiality for marriage. The fact is marriage, traditional marriage, has always been between 1 man and 1 woman. And since when has marriage ever been a right anyway. I hear it all the time. Where is that? Not in constitution. Its a privalege. I believe that we should all be equal in RIGHTS. and marriage is not a right. That is something the media created to stir up some controversy.
metalheart360 2 years ago
actually marriage IS a right. SCOTUS ruled it is a basic civil right back in '67. Now: "traditional marriage" has NOT always been 1 man and 1 woman. In fact, it has been 1 man and multiple woman (and sometimes men) for far LONGER than it has been restricted to only 1 man 1 woman. I've got PLENTY of references to back all of this up. It's called Reading, and it's Fundamental! Thanks for the LOLZ!
SeparateisntEqual 2 years ago
No, since same sex marriage exists and polygamy exists, it has never always have
just been 1 man & 1 woman. Traditional marriage has always been 1 man & several other women if anything. Monocracy is traditional government, but do we & should we practice this just because it is traditional? No.
Its been formally a right since the Loving vs Virginia ruling. Heterosexuals should not have special rights/privilages within the law. Equality is a right.
kiwisunshine5233 2 years ago
i choose to be straight. No need to persuade. Thats kinda what the gay community does. What do you think there is an alarming high rate of people turning out gay after going to a gay bar? (statistic on google) I understand people are hard wired differently. But this is a mental issue. Not physical. (google for furthur info)
metalheart360 2 years ago
I would love to know on what basis a person chooses their sexuality. Doesn't that just mean you're bisexual by default?
ZJemptv 2 years ago
You tell me. Your the one with the you tube video. Many people like to say the environment is the basis. But really? I think its more of some kind of past experience. (Thats just a speculation). and no. Don't distort my comments...again. Im straight. I choose to be straight. And am sure as hell gonna stay straight.
metalheart360 2 years ago
You're the one who claims that being straight is a choice, so you ask me to explain how people choose to be straight.
Incredible.
ZJemptv 2 years ago
Well, i gave you my answer in my comment. You seem pretty intelligent. think about it. What is the basis of our sexuality? Some say environment, some say experiences. Some say they were just born like that out of the blue. I wanna see that hold up in biology. If we were all "born" gay. What would happen? Now, if we were all shaped into the gay culture, what happens? you get my point?
metalheart360 2 years ago
The basis of sexuality, like all human behavoir, is 50% nature & 50% nurture. Its half genetic & half environmental. I'd like to point out that evolution happens in populations & not in individuals.
kiwisunshine5233 2 years ago
Do you "choose" to be straight because.. oh I don't know.. you HATE homosexuals?
PluralOfEverything 2 years ago
You may be heterosexual. but you're about as far from straight as they come.
TheCeejPlus 2 years ago
Lets put it this way Im all for equality. I feel that its wrong that homosexual individuals are pointed out from society and treated differently. Then comes the gay marriage issue. so why can't the gay community have all the benefits of marriage, yet keep it from infringing from the title. Marriage has always been between one man and one woman. Now when more homosexual people come up, we have to change it to make them happy? Why can't we all be happy. I get what I want, and u get what u want
metalheart360 2 years ago
Historically, marriage has often been between one man and *multiple women*. In a marriage. Together.
You are not "all for equality" if you believe heterosexual couples have a right that homosexual couples do not. Whatever you think you gain by having marriage restricted to heterosexual couples is outweighed by the interests of homosexual couples in having *equal* legal recognition of their relationships. What exactly is it what you "want", anyway?
ZJemptv 2 years ago
wasn't born straight, i choose to be straight. Don't distort my comment. Typical liberal bullshit.
metalheart360 2 years ago
So really, you *could* go either way. Perhaps all you need is some persuasion?
ZJemptv 2 years ago