@xultradragonslayerx He meant it as somewhat of a joke... Gould had great admiration for Mozart... Haydn even said "posterity will not see such a talent again in 100 years" , speaking of Mozart.
It's amazing, I really like this. Why I knew this song is beacause I have a test, and my teacher asked me to play this.I think no one can play this song like him, he is so great that I am one of his fans when he played the song in the first second.
@robalupa Yeah right, robalupa. Glenn Gould actually hated Mozart! He said that it was good that he died early. If you sat him next to Mozart, God! They would probably start arguing or something. But what happened afterword with Gould's hatred for Mozart I do not know. Even though this is a little Bach-ish because of the touch, I think it's good. It's a wonder to see this Bach pro play a composition well even though he hated the composer in the begining. Glenn Gould, you rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ich bevorzuge die Interpretation der Sonate von F. Gulda. Sie ist auch da auf Youtube zu hören. G.Gould spielt zu mechanisch, zu wenig differenziert. Die pendelartigen Körperbewegungen und sein Mitsummen, das man zum Glück nicht hört sind mir zu exaltiert.
@Spiritakis i would hardly call this rendition self-conscious or dull -- it may not be your favorite rendition but it is surely imaginative and daring
@Spiritakis Gould openly stated that he thought Mozart was a poor composer, all based on Rameauvian chord analysis, which says more about Rameau, than it does Mozart. It's amazing he did as well as he did!
This movement, will only sound well, when the performer hears it as a concerto, cadenza and all.
...also, ich habe gelesen, dass Glenn Gould Mozart nicht mochte und ihn "totgespielt" hat. Das kann ich so nicht unterschreiben, ich mag seine Punktsetzung!
Wow, this guy is the best pianist I have ever heard. I've never seen someone pay so much attention to detail. Very creative stuff. The way he interpreted these songs is so interesting. He thought more like a composer rather than a soloist and it really showed in his playing. He had a very rare skill.
Wonderful! Yes, Gould did butcher several of the Mozart sonatas, but at times his interpretations stand out as better and more Mozart-like than anything I've heard before.
Love Gould, but this is another Bachian Mozart. Amazing pianist, I can't understand how he didn't like Mozart. He is always trying to kill him. Sometimes it ends up better than may be he intended. That was Gould, a genius in his crazy world.
Yes, people miss that about him, listen to his Brahms, even this piece he can play so tenderly, it is amazing. His fingers are very fleet and he play so lightly at times it is amazing. The recording quality here is not great, it is harsh at times due to the recording. Gould really felt the music, not repeated what someone told him to play like. His transitions are magical, he really shows how Mozart was much closer to Beethoven than people think.
Definitely one of my favorite Mozart piece. This brings enchantment and very classy. This Mozart piece by Gould is just wonderful. The tempo and the melody is great. I like the way he press each key, there is power. That's why people do argue about tenderness, it's just because his tenderness is found within-emotion not on execution.
gente mongólica. hablan y hablan. todos gritan y nadie escucha. hasta cuando alejan la mente de vuestra mente. cállense un rato y escuchen aunque sea un poco de esta hermosa música.
Ironically, Gould's "playing," his execution and intensity is exceptional and exciting, but one loses the sense of the tender narrative Mozart's music evokes. What does Mozart's music have that Bach's doesn't that puts Gould's opinion of Mozart in so abusive of terms as to say once "he died too late rather than too early"? I think its Mozart's expression of musical phrasing and melody in such overtly narrative forms of expression, where melody becomes the easily accessible, but sweet delight.
Personally I feel that Gould had too sensitive a taste for Mozart - it seems to me that he preferred the sophistication of Bach over the naivety of Mozart's music. It's all personal opinion in the end I guess.
Anyone who finishes off so dispassionately with the "taste is subjective" conclusion, seems to betray the conviction they're representing. Anyway, Mozart's music is indeed at times "naive" and childlike. But anyone with a cold heart will be quick to dismiss these as detriments of music's "seriousness." A childlike naivete has something melancholy and "serious" about it, because somewhere the inuition realizes the eternal is an idea best found in the pleasures and memory of youth.
@genopal1020 They had different artistic standards back then, the they didn't hear phrases you call "naive" in the same way as you do. Listen to Clementi sonatas for example, they are way more delightful than Mozart's.
@2009xellos You don't have to hear phrases as naive in order to play them as such. I may not understand quite what you meant. I like Clementi's sonatas, and some might very well be more charming, for he was Italian. But Mozart's catalogue music- his operas, symphonies, choral pieces, concertos, and instrumental music completely outweighs in musical expression and depth most of Clementi's music. Clementi was primarily a virtuoso, not a composer or dramatist, as Mozart so thoroughly was.
@genopal1020 All due respect to Mozart but 99% of the population know nothing of the work of Clementi, since they never heard more than two sonatinas.
@genopal1020 You do know music is subjective, right? I love Goulds way of playing Mozart. Ive heard others, and I enjoy Goulds. How can you say he lacks sense of tenderness? Im sure youve heard his varation of Sonata in A major K331, havent you? The beginning and his variations are of the best, IMO.
Again, I will say those that want to hide their opinions in the safe box of the "taste (music) is subjective" argument may do so at the expense of not really being able to say anything in regard to the essence of music, and how music can effect us, and what emotions it effects in us. If there is a cause for a serious (or violent) confrontation between tastes, then I might agree we could bring the "subjective" argument up, but not when the argument has some vitality to it and is mature.
I think Gould knew tenderness, but he doesn't know how to convey it, because his tenderness is for sound, and almost sound in the abstract, unrelated to human beings I think Gould had no conception of playing FOR someone, FOR another person, for the pleasure, the mutual pleasure of sharing. His love almost became the science of music- polyphony. This is why he preferred the recording microphone to human beings.
@GryphonWahle That may have been the best comment I've ever seen on a Glenn Gould video. I was going to leave on of my own, but I don't think I really need to.
Amazing. I had always heard that Gould slaughtered Mozart. But here we have this little gem -- forthright, direct, unpretentious, humorous, and delightful. Not unlike his recording of the Haydn sonatas. The critics were influenced by a steady stream of romantic interpretations of Mozart. This video is a rather "modern" rendition in that it lacks the florid and fuzzy drama of Gould's contempories. Very sweet.
@FredrickII I agree. Certainly there was a generalized 'romantic bias' amongst critics as well as musicians. Nevertheless, I kind of find this tone too harsh. In some video Gould plays mozart to other guy, and does it in the traditional spirit. The sound is perfect. I wish he had kept that tone and added the kind of spirit and development portraited here.
@FredrickII He got tired after while, so end of devolopment gets twice less the begining tempo .... looks to me he only half way finish the good job and than feiled in to mediocree... well, take a look at my Mozart and the vigilance throughout!!!!
obviously he's into the whole thing, but it seems like he really likes 1:29 - 1:33. Tilts his head back and really seems to soak in the sound. sorry..just my silly little observation :)
I enjoyed Gould's playing in this video very much, so I went to hear other pianists play this same Mozart movement on YouTube to compare. Gould is by far the best.
Gould really could not represent Mozart accurately because he was never able to separate the austerity of Bach from the Mozart he played. It was always Mozart sounding lie Bach. If you like it, that's fine but it really misses the lightness and suaveness that permeates Mozart's style.
He is not a jerk at all...loves his Bach and even Beethoven...but I think it's no good for Mozart.
Listen to Horowitz version of this piece and then you will realize how in my opinion, it should be played!
Too shallow here but Gould is really really great...In my taste this is a bit too strict and stiifly performed...forgime this but a bit too much Bach in his Mozart
Totally agree, Horowitz as is Baremboim though they differ in temper but both stick to the classical style. My choice is Anthony Newman and his Mozart Sonatas, Brandel- concertos and piano quintets and finally Demus Jorg a couple of concertos, some sonatas and pieces as we can find in recordings of his Mozart. Cheers.
Thanks! Agree fully on Barenboim, he is a master. I like how artists tend to be pacific (I heard him on the New Year concert ask for the current drama in Israel to be solved-it's likeCziffra : they're mentally engaged).
Besides I reckon that Perrahia gives quite genuine rendition of
Mozart concertos too..Have you heard of his performance when conducted by Levine (no. 21, not the less famed ;p)??
Anyways, thank you for the advice, I'm rushing towards Newman's recordings :)
i think glenn gould is genious!!! one of the best interpretation l have ever heard,very deep,and olso very spiritualistic.. whare you can see the color and the life,, whan you listin this playng, you have to anderstend that,s it was writeen for klavesinn,, so glenn gould ,s mozart is brilinant..
I am certainly not talking bad about, or to anyone, but in case this is the first time that someone is hearing this song, this is a terrible recording. I really love that anyone would post this superb song, but I am very sorry to say that it often sounds very off, often in a strangely dramatic way. There are other recitals that, at least to me, sound 100% better. But thanks for the post - I hope I didn't sound negative!
You are wrong. Nearly all bach´s keyboard music was composed with the clavichord in mind, which is a completely different instrument than the harpsichord. Anyway the modern piano is ideally suited to convey Bach´s complex counterpoint and deep expresiveness which the harpsichord is completely unable to do.
Amazing how Mozart could inject so much drama into a seemingly simple piece and that he wrote so many of them of such high quality.
As to Aspergers. That is a new area of research. How is it that youtube commenters are so certain of diagnosis one way or another without being psychologists and without having ever met Gould?
Interesting, I was just thinking how Horowitz and Gould sound alike in some way, then I thought how crazy that sounds. But still in some way. I love Gould the most, but Horowitz really gets to me. I think for me, I just like the way Gould plays anything, Beethoven, Brahms. Gould plays with the spirit of the music,more than the notes, not many pianists can do that. still what a huge memory too.everything is with conviction,agree or not, he is committed to the music.perfect technique is the bonus.
Horowitz does a great job on Mozart. He's a little "softer around the edges" than Gould, whose style in my opinion rather better complements Bach's style. I feel that Gould was the 20th Century's greatest genius of piano. I once heard that he was posthumously diagnosed autistic savant, something I suppose I could believe.
I love K466 too. Yes I agree with a lot of this. The fortepiano for which Mozart wrote wasn't a harpsichord, however, but my point was not so much to do with the nature of the instrument but to with the fact that Gould seems to be trying to play Mozart's music as if it were some second-rate counterpoint. When it's not supposed to be like baroque counterpoint at all. (Apart from the works which are indeed written in a contrapuntal style.)
Gould is playing the bass-line extraordinarily loudly. This is not counterpoint: the bass shouldn't be given as much volume as the 'melody'. Gould makes Mozart sound facile at times. I do like a lot of Gould's renditions of Bach but this approach of bringing all the parts out doesn't work here; this music isn't contrapuntal and shouldn't be played as if it's meant to be.
if mozart could have heard this recording before he composed it, he'd have reconsidered ever writing it. you can NOT try to enjoy a mozart piece in a bach-style rendition. pitiful.
kv466 - your comment made me laugh. And I like your name. But surely one isn't 'musically challenged' if one prefers Brendel on Beethoven, etc. I do enjoy a lot of Gould's performances of Bach but I don't like the way he plays Mozart or Beethoven. I don't think I'm 'musically challenged' because of that, and nor do I think my comments are 'ignorant'. Perhaps there are one or two of us making comments here who are actually musically discerning...
I agree with Kv466 to some extent. Gould had a good taste on Mozart, especially on this K333 3rd Movement. Please listen without bias and with a peaceful mind. I am sure SOMEDAY you will enjoy it.
dlwangxiaohu - actually I don't mind it. I'd rather listen to other performances of this though. I don't like the way he plays the bass line and I don't like his interpretations of some of the ornaments and I don't like the aggressive way he plays the big cadential points. It also sounds robotic in places. Nevertheless, having said all that, I do listen to it quite a lot. I just don't like being labelled 'ignorant' because I don't slavishly adore Gould.
Thank you for your reply, I learn a lot through your response. It really doesn't matter whether you like the playing or not, or I like it or not. As Horowitz said:"It doesn't make any difference". But I thank you to remind me and others not to judge people. Sincerely.
dlwangxiaohu, thank you for your reply too. It renews my belief that there can be rational debate on YouTube. Someone recently threatened to murder me just because I'd left a negative comment about a Gould performance. In additional to hurling obscenities at me.
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What a disgrace!...reading some of these ignorant comments. Who would you prefer to listen to??? that Japanese lady? or Horriblewitz, perhaps?? If you say you like his Bach but not his Mozart, then get your ears checked. Next thing you know, you'll be saying that Alfred Brendelfly played Beethoven better. Why are there so many musically challenged people who post here?? Please tell me...who does this piece better, and why is it "wrecked" and "butchered"? "ick" now that guy is a moron
I could not agree with you more elsawagner! I love Gould for Bach, but I CANNOT STAND his Mozart. It is very robotic and harsh, and I believe he butchers a lot of Mozart.
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I am a classical music aficionado, and also was a piano performance major at a very well respected college. I also am a financial adviser, a gun owner, Obama supporter, as well as a Steinway model B owner, among other things. I was just kidding, so don't take it so hard next time. Perhaps you should lighten up a bit, eh? To your credit it was a well worded rant, though.
I agree completely with you elsawagner. I don't think you need to 'lighten up a bit'. You don't have to idolise Gould - although it appears so if you leave a vaguely negative comment under a Gould video. Yes, someone's a bully if they call you 'retarded' just because you don't like this rendition of Mozart. I think it's awful. And you can do without the patronising remark that your 'rant' was 'well worded'. This person isn't in a position to judge.
I actually like the other recording he did for this piece. I don't know why this one just isn't doing it for me. Could it be that he's playing it a tiny bit slower in this one?
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is he stepping on the pedal even for the beginning theme, like the subject which repeats after each section i mean. because i sounds quite weird with the pedal...blurs out the staccato... or maybe its just the recording which makes it sound very pedally...very non mozart...but otherwise his clarity is quite nice in the semi quaver runs...ok, way too much rubato near the end at about 5:00 (before the cadenza)
I AWARD THIS 2 1/2 DRESDENS...MOST OF THIS PLAYED THE WITH THE SAME COLOR,ALMOST THE SAME ARTICULATION,AND VERY LITTLE DEVIATION., The brief events at 2:18 and 4:45 ,when interpretive skills are briefly applied.save it from 5 DRESDENS.But then shortly thereafter he returns to the same Mechanical Musicologically Correct way of inducing the audience into a coma.
There are no words to express this genius! :-)
gerd6604 1 week ago
Gould shows us every single counterpoint there is in this music. Fascinating!
gerd6604 1 week ago
He remembered a lot of notes.
The7Jeff7 1 month ago
Sa vision de l'oeuvre est très différente, de ses collègues, ce qui peut déconcerter, mais quelle vision !
MrTIRILLY 2 months ago
i adore this video , ty, lol
30inventionman 3 months ago
It's an FYI to the ppl below
xultradragonslayerx 6 months ago
Glenn Gould only disliked Mozart's later works. He even argued that Mozart died too late...T-T...
xultradragonslayerx 7 months ago
@xultradragonslayerx So?
connie3112 6 months ago
@xultradragonslayerx He meant it as somewhat of a joke... Gould had great admiration for Mozart... Haydn even said "posterity will not see such a talent again in 100 years" , speaking of Mozart.
BeBopDeluxe85 5 months ago in playlist study time
Mediocre.
marcxopoco 7 months ago
I don't see any evidence of his supposed 'dislike' for Mozart.
bhinderbinder 9 months ago 4
bit to plain .sounds like hes trying to hard
jessig8794 9 months ago
Gould's talent isn't for Mozart, unfortunately, he plays mozart with such plain tone just like a diamond ore, which still needs to be polished
mackbox123 10 months ago
@mackbox123 You must joking... compare this performance to any of the other k.33 third movement covers. Gould's performance is easily the best.
BeBopDeluxe85 4 months ago in playlist study time
how can't someone love this?
fravaglio 10 months ago
It's amazing, I really like this. Why I knew this song is beacause I have a test, and my teacher asked me to play this.I think no one can play this song like him, he is so great that I am one of his fans when he played the song in the first second.
MisPudding 10 months ago
It would be lovely to sit him and mozart together and play this
robalupa 11 months ago
@robalupa Yeah right, robalupa. Glenn Gould actually hated Mozart! He said that it was good that he died early. If you sat him next to Mozart, God! They would probably start arguing or something. But what happened afterword with Gould's hatred for Mozart I do not know. Even though this is a little Bach-ish because of the touch, I think it's good. It's a wonder to see this Bach pro play a composition well even though he hated the composer in the begining. Glenn Gould, you rock!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
connie3112 10 months ago 2
@connie3112 what do you mean Bach-ish .. I hope you don't mean in the style that Gould performed Bach because that would just be stupid.
EMPERORMIKI 10 months ago
Ich bevorzuge die Interpretation der Sonate von F. Gulda. Sie ist auch da auf Youtube zu hören. G.Gould spielt zu mechanisch, zu wenig differenziert. Die pendelartigen Körperbewegungen und sein Mitsummen, das man zum Glück nicht hört sind mir zu exaltiert.
Yaroable 1 year ago
I have been looking for this for one year!
pokymon1 1 year ago
Barely listenable. Which is still an improvement over Gould's other Mozart recordings on YT - travesties and abominations, all of them.
He has some charming accents but overall it is much too contrived, self-conscious and dull. Thumbs down.
Spiritakis 1 year ago
@Spiritakis i would hardly call this rendition self-conscious or dull -- it may not be your favorite rendition but it is surely imaginative and daring
babyfade6606 10 months ago
@Spiritakis Gould openly stated that he thought Mozart was a poor composer, all based on Rameauvian chord analysis, which says more about Rameau, than it does Mozart. It's amazing he did as well as he did!
This movement, will only sound well, when the performer hears it as a concerto, cadenza and all.
halloerde 10 months ago
...also, ich habe gelesen, dass Glenn Gould Mozart nicht mochte und ihn "totgespielt" hat. Das kann ich so nicht unterschreiben, ich mag seine Punktsetzung!
FreufrauDeluxe 1 year ago
Only Gould could push me near the verge of tears with Mozart. What a wonderful performance.
ShinatoKawasaki 1 year ago
Gould don't play. He just sing to his fingers and they do rest . . .
Jarretinha 1 year ago
@aqlpskwo 9+1 is 10-1. so basically 9=10 which reduces to basically 1.
joshgura 1 year ago
one must know the difference between a performer and a composer. to take his critique on mozart with any more than a grain of salt is a mistake.
joshgura 1 year ago
Wow, this guy is the best pianist I have ever heard. I've never seen someone pay so much attention to detail. Very creative stuff. The way he interpreted these songs is so interesting. He thought more like a composer rather than a soloist and it really showed in his playing. He had a very rare skill.
burnindownthehouse 1 year ago
Totally ingenious! GG did get his unique way of Mozart, no matter how he considered Mozart's works. And I guess that is what artists do !
HeldEroica 1 year ago
This and Horowitz' versions are the one I like the most. I have never seen Gould with such emotion as here.
Lity10 1 year ago
gould is best at mozart. he slaughters beethoven, at least from what i've seen
Hankhankhank2 1 year ago
Brilliant... love it...!
johnbresnik 1 year ago 4
@johnbresnik JAJAJAJA! eres tu el de la foto?¿
stephenykevin 1 year ago
Gould doesn't slaughter Mozart.
Lang Lang does!
The55555SSSSS 1 year ago
so nice i played it twice
87325 1 year ago
Wonderful! Yes, Gould did butcher several of the Mozart sonatas, but at times his interpretations stand out as better and more Mozart-like than anything I've heard before.
timsentim 1 year ago
Excellent. Bravo!
JohnE2Bad 1 year ago
Love Gould, but this is another Bachian Mozart. Amazing pianist, I can't understand how he didn't like Mozart. He is always trying to kill him. Sometimes it ends up better than may be he intended. That was Gould, a genius in his crazy world.
ancamg 1 year ago
Quelle chance d'avoir ce document. On tombe vite sous "l'emprise" du maître.
Sa vision de Mozart est très personnel, mais dans un entretien, il s'en explique.
MrTIRILLY 1 year ago
@MrTIRILLY Ou se trouve cet entretien?
jehouse 1 year ago
Yes, people miss that about him, listen to his Brahms, even this piece he can play so tenderly, it is amazing. His fingers are very fleet and he play so lightly at times it is amazing. The recording quality here is not great, it is harsh at times due to the recording. Gould really felt the music, not repeated what someone told him to play like. His transitions are magical, he really shows how Mozart was much closer to Beethoven than people think.
trevjr 1 year ago
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potatoepeter1 1 year ago
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That's Mozart's music. The man playing it should have been executed.
THETIGBOAT 2 years ago
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that way of thinking is killing classical music.
epetrelli 2 years ago
@epetrelli I disagree.
principalbass 1 year ago
@THETIGBOAT I disagree.
principalbass 1 year ago
A little silly to rate this 5 stars for Gould (what else?) but for you for posting - sound is excellent! thanks.
bbbartolo 2 years ago
Definitely one of my favorite Mozart piece. This brings enchantment and very classy. This Mozart piece by Gould is just wonderful. The tempo and the melody is great. I like the way he press each key, there is power. That's why people do argue about tenderness, it's just because his tenderness is found within-emotion not on execution.
All in all, perfect. Bravissimo!
TheCantabileviolin 2 years ago
gente mongólica. hablan y hablan. todos gritan y nadie escucha. hasta cuando alejan la mente de vuestra mente. cállense un rato y escuchen aunque sea un poco de esta hermosa música.
Tritono9 2 years ago
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Mozart's music is one of the highest "products" of human mind.
gimichi 2 years ago
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gimichi 2 years ago
Ironically, Gould's "playing," his execution and intensity is exceptional and exciting, but one loses the sense of the tender narrative Mozart's music evokes. What does Mozart's music have that Bach's doesn't that puts Gould's opinion of Mozart in so abusive of terms as to say once "he died too late rather than too early"? I think its Mozart's expression of musical phrasing and melody in such overtly narrative forms of expression, where melody becomes the easily accessible, but sweet delight.
genopal1020 2 years ago 6
Personally I feel that Gould had too sensitive a taste for Mozart - it seems to me that he preferred the sophistication of Bach over the naivety of Mozart's music. It's all personal opinion in the end I guess.
Neekstarrr 2 years ago
Anyone who finishes off so dispassionately with the "taste is subjective" conclusion, seems to betray the conviction they're representing. Anyway, Mozart's music is indeed at times "naive" and childlike. But anyone with a cold heart will be quick to dismiss these as detriments of music's "seriousness." A childlike naivete has something melancholy and "serious" about it, because somewhere the inuition realizes the eternal is an idea best found in the pleasures and memory of youth.
genopal1020 2 years ago 2
@genopal1020 They had different artistic standards back then, the they didn't hear phrases you call "naive" in the same way as you do. Listen to Clementi sonatas for example, they are way more delightful than Mozart's.
2009xellos 1 year ago
@2009xellos You don't have to hear phrases as naive in order to play them as such. I may not understand quite what you meant. I like Clementi's sonatas, and some might very well be more charming, for he was Italian. But Mozart's catalogue music- his operas, symphonies, choral pieces, concertos, and instrumental music completely outweighs in musical expression and depth most of Clementi's music. Clementi was primarily a virtuoso, not a composer or dramatist, as Mozart so thoroughly was.
genopal1020 1 year ago 2
@genopal1020 Amen, Brother!!
beatlesmack9 1 year ago
@genopal1020 All due respect to Mozart but 99% of the population know nothing of the work of Clementi, since they never heard more than two sonatinas.
derefis 1 year ago
It doesn't only seem to you, he said it himself!;)
635Passworte 2 years ago
@genopal1020 You do know music is subjective, right? I love Goulds way of playing Mozart. Ive heard others, and I enjoy Goulds. How can you say he lacks sense of tenderness? Im sure youve heard his varation of Sonata in A major K331, havent you? The beginning and his variations are of the best, IMO.
theoak84 2 years ago
Again, I will say those that want to hide their opinions in the safe box of the "taste (music) is subjective" argument may do so at the expense of not really being able to say anything in regard to the essence of music, and how music can effect us, and what emotions it effects in us. If there is a cause for a serious (or violent) confrontation between tastes, then I might agree we could bring the "subjective" argument up, but not when the argument has some vitality to it and is mature.
genopal1020 2 years ago 3
I think Gould knew tenderness, but he doesn't know how to convey it, because his tenderness is for sound, and almost sound in the abstract, unrelated to human beings I think Gould had no conception of playing FOR someone, FOR another person, for the pleasure, the mutual pleasure of sharing. His love almost became the science of music- polyphony. This is why he preferred the recording microphone to human beings.
genopal1020 2 years ago
I thought Bach was put off by the early pianoforte? Unless, of course, you're referring to Mozart?
Tdgonline 2 years ago
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makedonas86 2 years ago 4
In theory, if you put Glenn Gould in South America, would he spin counter-clockwise instead?
GryphonWahle 2 years ago 10
haha brilliant
tarquin161234 2 years ago 4
@GryphonWahle That may have been the best comment I've ever seen on a Glenn Gould video. I was going to leave on of my own, but I don't think I really need to.
BenMcCormack91 2 years ago
Grandissimo Glenn Gould!!!
Non c'è un video del n.24 in do minore K.491???
giardinodeisemlici 2 years ago 3
what year is this?
rodhedaz 2 years ago 2
1961 or '62
lefekir 2 years ago 2
sounds like a promotion
gr0mithtimon 2 years ago
fué un genio!!
diegodearaciel 2 years ago
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niente di speciale... taglia pure
alessandropestini 2 years ago
Amazing. I had always heard that Gould slaughtered Mozart. But here we have this little gem -- forthright, direct, unpretentious, humorous, and delightful. Not unlike his recording of the Haydn sonatas. The critics were influenced by a steady stream of romantic interpretations of Mozart. This video is a rather "modern" rendition in that it lacks the florid and fuzzy drama of Gould's contempories. Very sweet.
FredrickII 2 years ago 35
@FredrickII I agree. Certainly there was a generalized 'romantic bias' amongst critics as well as musicians. Nevertheless, I kind of find this tone too harsh. In some video Gould plays mozart to other guy, and does it in the traditional spirit. The sound is perfect. I wish he had kept that tone and added the kind of spirit and development portraited here.
sirdelrio 1 year ago
@FredrickII He got tired after while, so end of devolopment gets twice less the begining tempo .... looks to me he only half way finish the good job and than feiled in to mediocree... well, take a look at my Mozart and the vigilance throughout!!!!
stickom 1 year ago
@FredrickII
Gould always said, that he likes Haydn more, than Mozart... ?
kubekbeta5 7 months ago
Who doesn't?
pianora70 2 years ago
can ya play better than lang lang?
gabpant 2 years ago
yes, certainly
pianora70 2 years ago
I believe 'like Bach' meant 'bringing out more than just the most obvious line'.
photoeditingchicken 2 years ago 3
fuck his good....he really is...it's a tragedy that he was taken away from us waaayy too soon... =(
AGuyWhoPunkUMama 2 years ago
obviously he's into the whole thing, but it seems like he really likes 1:29 - 1:33. Tilts his head back and really seems to soak in the sound. sorry..just my silly little observation :)
druid2131 2 years ago 20
@druid2131 Eye for detail is never silly :)
claus93Sethsen 1 year ago
I never liked Horowitz's recording of this piece...something about it bothers me.
ChicagoTheory 2 years ago
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The left hand is too damn loud throughout most of this.
organman52 2 years ago
I enjoyed Gould's playing in this video very much, so I went to hear other pianists play this same Mozart movement on YouTube to compare. Gould is by far the best.
wingklow 2 years ago 4
I stll think mozart is kinda crazy , however he performs lovely music.
vivieca7 2 years ago
Gould really could not represent Mozart accurately because he was never able to separate the austerity of Bach from the Mozart he played. It was always Mozart sounding lie Bach. If you like it, that's fine but it really misses the lightness and suaveness that permeates Mozart's style.
Grigor99 2 years ago
what a charming piece!
theblackpiano 2 years ago
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Brilliant as always with Glenn Gould.
Mozart is shit anyway, One or two nice pieces of music but he's very overrated!
EmilyPlays0 2 years ago
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Its all strictly on the beat?! Where is a rubato? Where is the drama? Oh, I got this: Its a Bach, isnt it? What a jerk!!!!
stickom 2 years ago
He is not a jerk at all...loves his Bach and even Beethoven...but I think it's no good for Mozart.
Listen to Horowitz version of this piece and then you will realize how in my opinion, it should be played!
Too shallow here but Gould is really really great...In my taste this is a bit too strict and stiifly performed...forgime this but a bit too much Bach in his Mozart
funfor1life 2 years ago 3
Totally agree, Horowitz as is Baremboim though they differ in temper but both stick to the classical style. My choice is Anthony Newman and his Mozart Sonatas, Brandel- concertos and piano quintets and finally Demus Jorg a couple of concertos, some sonatas and pieces as we can find in recordings of his Mozart. Cheers.
stickom 2 years ago
Thanks! Agree fully on Barenboim, he is a master. I like how artists tend to be pacific (I heard him on the New Year concert ask for the current drama in Israel to be solved-it's likeCziffra : they're mentally engaged).
Besides I reckon that Perrahia gives quite genuine rendition of
Mozart concertos too..Have you heard of his performance when conducted by Levine (no. 21, not the less famed ;p)??
Anyways, thank you for the advice, I'm rushing towards Newman's recordings :)
Have a good day
funfor1life 2 years ago
Good luck and careful its not the easy listening muse, Anthony Newman
packed measure by measure, strict in style. Cheers!
stickom 2 years ago
i think glenn gould is genious!!! one of the best interpretation l have ever heard,very deep,and olso very spiritualistic.. whare you can see the color and the life,, whan you listin this playng, you have to anderstend that,s it was writeen for klavesinn,, so glenn gould ,s mozart is brilinant..
ninka12345678 2 years ago
well played
abseTGg 2 years ago
Dddddayyyyyyyyyyyyyuuuuummmm
All y'all bitches be talking some up class English! O_O
ExecutionerBlade 2 years ago
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I am certainly not talking bad about, or to anyone, but in case this is the first time that someone is hearing this song, this is a terrible recording. I really love that anyone would post this superb song, but I am very sorry to say that it often sounds very off, often in a strangely dramatic way. There are other recitals that, at least to me, sound 100% better. But thanks for the post - I hope I didn't sound negative!
taintitwonderfull 2 years ago
You are wrong. Nearly all bach´s keyboard music was composed with the clavichord in mind, which is a completely different instrument than the harpsichord. Anyway the modern piano is ideally suited to convey Bach´s complex counterpoint and deep expresiveness which the harpsichord is completely unable to do.
adrian1805mdq 2 years ago 3
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you're a faggot.
msa1985 2 years ago
I agree.
Frozentoes1 2 years ago
i can see his mouth moving just no sound coming out
ThisIsMe113 2 years ago
3:25 - 3:31 love that part!
308813062 2 years ago
I like that part too
OLarney87 2 years ago 2
Amazing how Mozart could inject so much drama into a seemingly simple piece and that he wrote so many of them of such high quality.
As to Aspergers. That is a new area of research. How is it that youtube commenters are so certain of diagnosis one way or another without being psychologists and without having ever met Gould?
highlandsh 3 years ago 3
Well, think this reference to Gould and Asperger's syndrome has been written and commented upon by others.
Tdgonline 2 years ago 2
Twinkle Twinkle Little Star BriAnT121
ipmoic 3 years ago
whats the name of the really famous mozart song?? its so famous they have some childrens toys with it on them. Anyone any idea?
BriAnT121 3 years ago
Eine kliene nachtmusik?
JPizzle1490 3 years ago
I think what you have in mind are the variations over "Ah vous dirai-je maman". The tune, however, is a popular French song, not by Mozart.
Sobekal 3 years ago
Actually he had Polio when he was a boy.
He did not have Autism or Asperger's Syndrome.
daptekar 3 years ago
what a gift glenn was. he's like bach and shakespeare in that you wonder how he could have possibly existed.
bif28 3 years ago 3
amazing playing
PrescriptionDeath 3 years ago 2
Yes, I was using my brother's computer, and I assure you the "hammer and chisel" remark is not much of an exaggeration.
polymath7 3 years ago
he always played on the same chair that he had since he was little, I guess he got used to it
semicroma 3 years ago 4
Interesting, I was just thinking how Horowitz and Gould sound alike in some way, then I thought how crazy that sounds. But still in some way. I love Gould the most, but Horowitz really gets to me. I think for me, I just like the way Gould plays anything, Beethoven, Brahms. Gould plays with the spirit of the music,more than the notes, not many pianists can do that. still what a huge memory too.everything is with conviction,agree or not, he is committed to the music.perfect technique is the bonus.
trevjr 3 years ago
he prefered it this way
DanSandwich 3 years ago
This is great but I still prefer Horowitz's.
jero13595 3 years ago
Horowitz does a great job on Mozart. He's a little "softer around the edges" than Gould, whose style in my opinion rather better complements Bach's style. I feel that Gould was the 20th Century's greatest genius of piano. I once heard that he was posthumously diagnosed autistic savant, something I suppose I could believe.
veggiesonly 3 years ago
i fukn love thiss!!!!
alenwajer 3 years ago
Gould must've been devastated that he cocked up on the last cadence
yourforte 3 years ago
I think he did it on purpose. He had said the idea of a cadenze in a sonata was ridiculous. I disagree but he must have had his reasons.
Arush09 3 years ago 3
SirArmengol, I agree with you on both points
iddyumpty 3 years ago
Alegre y felíz.Un hallazgo divertido.
debartzen 3 years ago
Un juego divertido para Gould,este Mozart,alegre y que nos habla.
debartzen 3 years ago
Nonsense
logicus1 3 years ago 3
I love K466 too. Yes I agree with a lot of this. The fortepiano for which Mozart wrote wasn't a harpsichord, however, but my point was not so much to do with the nature of the instrument but to with the fact that Gould seems to be trying to play Mozart's music as if it were some second-rate counterpoint. When it's not supposed to be like baroque counterpoint at all. (Apart from the works which are indeed written in a contrapuntal style.)
yourforte 3 years ago 4
Gould is playing the bass-line extraordinarily loudly. This is not counterpoint: the bass shouldn't be given as much volume as the 'melody'. Gould makes Mozart sound facile at times. I do like a lot of Gould's renditions of Bach but this approach of bringing all the parts out doesn't work here; this music isn't contrapuntal and shouldn't be played as if it's meant to be.
yourforte 3 years ago 2
I'm totally agree with you.
laurion69 3 years ago
if mozart could have heard this recording before he composed it, he'd have reconsidered ever writing it. you can NOT try to enjoy a mozart piece in a bach-style rendition. pitiful.
ssundar99 3 years ago 8
I don't think this is Bach style. Why do you consider this as Bach style?
dlwangxiaohu 3 years ago
kv466 - your comment made me laugh. And I like your name. But surely one isn't 'musically challenged' if one prefers Brendel on Beethoven, etc. I do enjoy a lot of Gould's performances of Bach but I don't like the way he plays Mozart or Beethoven. I don't think I'm 'musically challenged' because of that, and nor do I think my comments are 'ignorant'. Perhaps there are one or two of us making comments here who are actually musically discerning...
iddyumpty 3 years ago 3
I agree with Kv466 to some extent. Gould had a good taste on Mozart, especially on this K333 3rd Movement. Please listen without bias and with a peaceful mind. I am sure SOMEDAY you will enjoy it.
dlwangxiaohu 3 years ago
dlwangxiaohu - actually I don't mind it. I'd rather listen to other performances of this though. I don't like the way he plays the bass line and I don't like his interpretations of some of the ornaments and I don't like the aggressive way he plays the big cadential points. It also sounds robotic in places. Nevertheless, having said all that, I do listen to it quite a lot. I just don't like being labelled 'ignorant' because I don't slavishly adore Gould.
iddyumpty 3 years ago 2
Thank you for your reply, I learn a lot through your response. It really doesn't matter whether you like the playing or not, or I like it or not. As Horowitz said:"It doesn't make any difference". But I thank you to remind me and others not to judge people. Sincerely.
dlwangxiaohu 3 years ago
dlwangxiaohu, thank you for your reply too. It renews my belief that there can be rational debate on YouTube. Someone recently threatened to murder me just because I'd left a negative comment about a Gould performance. In additional to hurling obscenities at me.
iddyumpty 3 years ago
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Glenn Gould is the best, and to anyone with open ears it is clearly evident~
kv466 3 years ago
I'm a great admirer of Glenn Gould. I think he's the BEST with Bach, but what he's trying to do with this Mozart sonata doesn't work
SirArmengol 3 years ago 2
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What a disgrace!...reading some of these ignorant comments. Who would you prefer to listen to??? that Japanese lady? or Horriblewitz, perhaps?? If you say you like his Bach but not his Mozart, then get your ears checked. Next thing you know, you'll be saying that Alfred Brendelfly played Beethoven better. Why are there so many musically challenged people who post here?? Please tell me...who does this piece better, and why is it "wrecked" and "butchered"? "ick" now that guy is a moron
kv466 3 years ago
I like it :)
t0kt0k 3 years ago
This is AWFUL. He absolutely wrecks this Mozart
iddyumpty 3 years ago 2
All I can say after listening to this is..ick.
darkkerrigan 3 years ago 5
I could not agree with you more elsawagner! I love Gould for Bach, but I CANNOT STAND his Mozart. It is very robotic and harsh, and I believe he butchers a lot of Mozart.
darkkerrigan 3 years ago 5
excellent!!!!!!!!!
petergarl 3 years ago 2
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I am a classical music aficionado, and also was a piano performance major at a very well respected college. I also am a financial adviser, a gun owner, Obama supporter, as well as a Steinway model B owner, among other things. I was just kidding, so don't take it so hard next time. Perhaps you should lighten up a bit, eh? To your credit it was a well worded rant, though.
brianmurphy21 3 years ago
Hey buddy, suck my well rounded soup coolers
clubsandwedge 3 years ago
I agree completely with you elsawagner. I don't think you need to 'lighten up a bit'. You don't have to idolise Gould - although it appears so if you leave a vaguely negative comment under a Gould video. Yes, someone's a bully if they call you 'retarded' just because you don't like this rendition of Mozart. I think it's awful. And you can do without the patronising remark that your 'rant' was 'well worded'. This person isn't in a position to judge.
iddyumpty 3 years ago 10
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That's because you're retarded.
Thanks.
-B
brianmurphy21 3 years ago
Inalcanzable. solo para expertos disfrutable.
jueves20marzo1980 3 years ago
Too dry and emotionless. Gould was not fit for playing Mozart. Actually, he didn't even like Mozart...
adrct 3 years ago
I think so... he doesn't like Chopin also. When he doesn't like someone, he lacks the "inspiration" to play.
nonamepoeple123 3 years ago
I actually like the other recording he did for this piece. I don't know why this one just isn't doing it for me. Could it be that he's playing it a tiny bit slower in this one?
Fallansig 3 years ago
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is he stepping on the pedal even for the beginning theme, like the subject which repeats after each section i mean. because i sounds quite weird with the pedal...blurs out the staccato... or maybe its just the recording which makes it sound very pedally...very non mozart...but otherwise his clarity is quite nice in the semi quaver runs...ok, way too much rubato near the end at about 5:00 (before the cadenza)
spoonmadeofgold 3 years ago
A masterful performance.
ifitaintbaroque 3 years ago 3
i just love this piece..
9jea1 3 years ago
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I AWARD THIS 2 1/2 DRESDENS...MOST OF THIS PLAYED THE WITH THE SAME COLOR,ALMOST THE SAME ARTICULATION,AND VERY LITTLE DEVIATION., The brief events at 2:18 and 4:45 ,when interpretive skills are briefly applied.save it from 5 DRESDENS.But then shortly thereafter he returns to the same Mechanical Musicologically Correct way of inducing the audience into a coma.
MOZARTasaWARcrime 3 years ago
you need to stop smoking whatever you are doing ... and soon
Rob6456 3 years ago
Well, that's the first time I've ever heard somebody accuse Glenn Gould of excessive musicological correctness as his principal crime.
EllipticEscher 3 years ago
Extacy and Mozart - strange, but wow...:)!
Thank you, Glenn!
mozartband1 3 years ago
Supermegaburne, il souffrait d'une forme d'autisme et ses manies en découlaient.
mf2101 4 years ago
ahhhh c'est donc ça . merci de tes précisions,
je trouvais ça étrange de mettre tellement e maniérisme dans l'interprétation.
supermegaburne 3 years ago
ahhhh c'est donc ça . merci de tes précisions,
je trouvais ça étrange de mettre tellement e maniérisme dans l'interprétation.
supermegaburne 3 years ago
Vous ne saviez "pas" ?
Leibo07 3 years ago
D'où vos infos à ce point? Cela me semble assez incertain.
Leibo07 3 years ago
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c'est un putain de cabot, c'est n'importe quoi il en rajoute, c'est superficiel, on a pas besoin de faire ces mimiques pour jouer