Can somebody help me? I have stopped tithing for quite some time and opted for freewill giving. I really felt happier in my giving until I read the testimonies of Mary Baxter, Choo Thomas, and some others who had visions or out of the body experiences for being taken by Jesus to heaven and hell. They claimed that they saw Christians in hell for reasons like unrepentance & unforgiveness. What disturbed me is their claim that they saw Christians in hell for not tithing. Now I'm confused again.
Indeed, Christ came to FULFILL the Law! And He absolutely fulfilled the ENTIRE Law: Civil, Ceremonial, and The Ten Commandments. How did he accomplish this? He was sinless. 1 Cr 15:56 - The Sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. From this scripture we see that where there is no sin, the law is of no effect, or simply, has been put to rest. Indeed, it has been put to rest in Christ Jesus when (on the cross) he condemned sin in the flesh once and for all! IT IS FINISHED!
Yes! This is Truth! As a result of my studies, I have discovered most of what our brother in Christ has said. I've recently come to know who I truly am in Christ Jesus! I am indeed a joint heir with Christ. He came to give freely of His life which is Grace personified. Tithing causes christians to fall from Grace by which as believers we have the righteousness of Christ to a place of self-righteousness and pride relying upon our works (paying tithes) to get blessings from God.
This man is dead wrong. First of all you have to know about kingdoms and its obvious that he doesnt have a clue. Jesus said repent for the kingdom of God is near. That let you know heaven is a country. Jesus said give Ceasur what is Ceacur and God what is God. Tithes is taxes you have to pay taxes in heaven and on earth read malicah 3:10 God did say he didn't come to change.the law.
I heard that paying tithes not according to the law but by the order of melchizedek in Hebrew chapter 7 would someone explain or would the gentlemen in this video explain
My pastor says that if we don't pay tithes, the devil will devour your stuff... Malachi 3
My pastor says I am robbing God if we don't give him 10% of all the money I receive like income, inheritance, gifts. Even little children have to give 10% of their birthday money.
@JesusLuvsU75 Your pastor is dead wrong, period. If we are supposed to tithe why are we not required to follow the rest of the law? Tithing was clearly a part of the law in the Old Testament. Jesus said if you break one part of the law you have broken it all, in other words if you are going to follow on e part of the law you have to follow it all, you can just pick and choose what part will follow.
@ danieltwelve3, ok, well since tithing is part of the LAW, and we're no longer under the law, then that means we can go out and murder whomever we want, sleep with who we want, worship any god we want, and basically live our lives as we see fit, because after all, all that stuff is under the law. But wait, we as believers are already doing that. Jesus came to fulfill the law, NOT to do away with it. In other words, he came so that we would follow the same commandments, not out of obligation
@76Cthompson: You make some good points but the sins you are mentioned are repeated over again in the new testament. There were 613 laws in the old testament including not eating pork & animal sacrifices. I don't know too many people who bring lambs & goats to church in order to sacrifice them on hot flaming altars. Under the new testament covenant we are no more required to tithe than we are to make animals sacrifices. NO WHERE in the Bible did God command anyone to tithe money.
@76Cthompson: God commanded Israel to tithe FOOD ITEMS not money! The fact that we even talk about tithing in terms of money shows how great the satanic deception is! Also you neglected to finish the complete thought where Jesus stated that He did not come to do away with the law. [Matthew 5:18--For I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until ALL THINGS ARE COMPLETED.].
@76Cthompson: Jesus completed ALL things pertaining to the law with His death burial and resurrection. He was the only person capable of fulfilling all 613 ordinances of the old testament covenant perfectly, and then He established a brand New Covenant. That's why we don't bring animals to church in order to slay them and then sacrifice them on blazing hot altars.....and it's the same reason we don't tithe.
@ EICRADIO. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that anyone should be coerced into doing anything. But my point is, even though we're talking about churches, that doesn't mean that they're exempt from having to pay bills, and maintain the actual facilities. The other side to that is, people often get so caught up in giving tithes, and offering in church, because they feel that the Pastor is going to take the money. But we need to remember that we shouldn't let what other people do, dictate h
tithing in the congregations is a lie, not biblical at all as money and we can give any amount we want now even more than tithe. It doesn't say don't give, but give anything that comes from your heart. We deceive ourselves, by believing certain pastors. Because they follow only the tithe from the law of Moses not everything and they have twisted the truth about it. God bless that pastor for telling the truth because He is not gaining money for telling the truth, but setting people free.
Ok, this is my question. Regardless of what you want to call it, tithing or giving. At the end of the day what difference does it make? I mean, just like we have bills to pay in our households, the church has to pay bills as well. So what, do you think that because it's a church that they don't have to pay things like water, electricity, and mortgages? Or maybe you think that they can take a ton of steaks and vegetables and pay their bills with that. Come on people, be for real
@76Cthompson The difference is Law & Grace. We do not have a right to pick and choose part of the law, Galatians 3:10. Yet, today we are only charged to give with a cheerful heart, 2 Corinthians 9:7.
@76Cthompson This video is not geared towards telling people NOT to give. You're right in that a church needs to keep its lights on and a shepherd should partake in material blessings (ie gifts) the same way we partake of spiritual blessings. However, if you don't give, it should not be tied to a curse. Tithing was the law and was not optional.
@76Cthompson It makes a lot of difference. A tithe means 10% and it is taught as a LAW. We are not under a law of tithing. We, as Christians, are led by the Spirit within us to give. There is a big difference. And if people do not think there is a big difference, then they do not love their freedom in Christ.
found this video 18months ago and I am impressed by the richness of this man's knowledge. Tithing is a ponzi scheme and every one knows it except those trying to buy blessing. I know, I have been there.
Love God, Love your neighbour and give from the heart. Thats all you need. God bless and spread this message by Antonio Thomas
WOW! I knew that GOD is so good! I felt it down in my heart, what the brohter explained so perfectly and wonderful and true! Why should I give back money to my heavenly and rich father? What sense makes that?! Thank you LORD JESUS!
"IS THERE ANY SCRIPTURE TO SUPPORT THAT?" says the camera man.....wake up homie, there is no scripture to support the idea of money scheme tithing ideology bro..........do you think there is support literature in the bible for TITHES??? fuck no! preachers have used manipulation and interpretation for their well being..... (like mansions and beamers)
Pastor, I'm with you 100%. I believe that, If it is Good Enough for GOD... It Should be Good Enough for ME. So if I work 40 per week and made $400.00 and my BOSS give a check for $40.00 ( I'M SURE YOU HAVE HEARD OF THE WORD POSTAL). But yet we taught to bring what we don't to church for a Blessing. We should give to the church to support the ministry, But Salvation is FREE..
@barr1959 ,,,,,,,,,remember, that the support is not to be set at a fixed rate by ministers and call it an order of GOD for the people!!!! thats devilish and scumbaged!!!
One point the brother errs is Malachi did not say bring the whole tithe. He says bring all the tithes. So he is making a false argument here. He is straight on in his teaching otherwise.
You have no clear mind for critical research, nor do you respect the basic gift of God for biblical accuracy. A little knowledge does not make one an intellectual! NEOPHITE.
These greedy preachers have got away with deceiving many for far too long. It's about time people woke up & hopefully realised they do NOT have to give 10% of their income to any church!
i have spoke before here,but All i can say now is just shack my head and say, Lord help you ! Everytime the group was to build a church. They would take up money offered when you enter the temple for church service. MONEY !
i think you off here ! At the time of 600 BCE You had tithing as they brought apart of the first crop or sheep. This was tithing then and now we call it Money. The Priest of the temple was to be taken care of in their livily hood. The Prirest did not live on air. they wanted Food and clothing ! They did not come to the church on Saturday Naked,but was cloth to be there ! Where did they get the clothes ?
This brother hit it right on the nail! I also listened to Pastor G. Craige Lewis message on tithing and he said the exact same thing. If you are a born again, you are a joint heir with Christ which mean you own 100% of your money and He owns 100% of your money. We give to support the work of God. This tithe heresy has made many pastors millionaires while their congregation are struggling to pay a bill. Some will tell you pay God first and then your bill. If you don't have enough then trust God
To me, very interesting fact is, that preachers today are pick up from the Law what THEY LIKE- tithing, but they are push away what is not in their INTERES, like example: circumcision or saturday.
I encourage everyone here to go and do their own research. Read the whole book of Malachi. You will see that this guy is right. Also, the book of Malachi is not the only book that talks about tithes. If can prove to me using scriptures that this guy is in error then I'll surrender my argument.
Money actually .. so what good is it if we must lose our souls because of it? Even the so called body of christ has traded its soul for money. A body now filled with trick stars and lier's, twisting stories or events of biblical times to fabricate doctrines purely aimed at subjecting people to the chains they were once freed from. They are all part of the predicted abomination that causes desolation!
@ lambsofchrist , paul said the letter killeth and that if you do part of the law you do the whole law and if not you are condemed , but we are not under the law . This guy is right
this understanding of the tithing offerings was first taught by the hebrew israelites,this false preacher dosent know the full truth of the bible, he should start keeping the law leviticus,21;5
@gilbertd2174 Jesus did not encourage tithing. He rebuked the Pharisees, who were under the law and put others under an even tougher yoke than they themselves were under. The Pharisees would keep part of the law, but not all of it, so Jesus rebuked them for being hypocrites. After the cross, the Old Covenant system was done away with and these tithing laws were no longer in effect anyway. I see no one tithing mint, anise and cumin today. :D
He has his info off; notice he said "we are talking about the catholic church" the catholic church is not the true or original history of the church. Also, did he consider that Jesus encouraged tithing.
The guy is right. I have done 7 months of research on that. You are probably a pastor yourself, and that's probably 1 of the reason why you are in disagreement. This is not about you but rather about Gods word concerning his church. We need to stop teaching heresy and get real with Gods word. Anyone that is selling the Gospel is a false prophet. Be bless
@teg4: unless you are reading something other than the Bible, it clearly states in your Bible that Abraham paid tithes to Mechelsidec. You won't find anywhere in the Word where Abraham gave what was not his, you can't fabricate evidence! If you stick with the Word, you will find that tithing is Biblical. If people don't want to give, then don't! Just stop trying to rewrite the Word and make excuses for what you never intended to do. Everyone is not out for the money.
:@jassengrant Actually it is in the bible Hebrews 7:4 he gave that which he captured in war, not of his own. It also says, Think how great this man was for Abram to give a tithe. This tells us that tithing was not a mandatory act, but an act of show one honor. Please to be offended at the truth, take it or leave it. But some ppl wld rather really be delivered. Thank You.
@jassengrant Umm. It does say just that in the NT Heb 7:4. Clearly your leader keep you folks in th OT, the bondage section. Come over to deliverance brother. It also says, think how great this man was, for Abram to give a tenth of his spoils. Clearly, this tells us that Abram was not obligated, but out of honor, Abram gave him a tenth. Also, bare in mind, it was a king. Not a pastor. Not a priest. Just weak.
@jassengrant Uh actually if you read Gen 14 the bible said abraham recovered all the spoils... The spoils that he recovered were Lots, and the Kings that were over taken... and he gave everybody back there stuff... When the king of sodom tried to give him the Spoils Abraham rejected them unless they would say they made him rich.
So yeah Abraham gave a tithe as in a tenth but he didn't give a tithe in the sense of his increase as God commanded tithing to be. Only reason abraham even
Confronted the kings was because they kidnapped Lot and took all his stuff.... None of the stuff Abraham recovered was his so he gave everything back to its rightful owner. With the exception of a tithe of the Spoils to Melchizedek. and He did this because after they got back from the battle Melchizedek gave him bread, wine and blessed him. Tithe means tenth... If I gave some one 10 percent of my clothes thats a tithe meaning a tenth but it wouldn't be the Tithe like God commanded
So Abraham gave a tithe meaning tenth but it was not a Tithe like God commanded because spoils are by definition: Goods stolen or taken forcibly, property seized from a victim after a conflict. Their is nowhere in scripture were Tithing the way God command used spoils it was always a tenth from ones increase from ones land, not something you seized from someone that wasn't yours to begin with.... Read Gen 14
You are on point. I'm glad that a minister of the gospel finally vocalized some things that I have been telling several heathenish, so-called church folk. Too much emphasis has been placed on a fallacious mis-interpretation of a few verses in the book of Malachi. If one is in God, they would automatically enhance the bottom line of their house of worship...without compulsion.
The newtestament giving not tithe is not preached yet it's the newtestament that preachers avocate is what they should follow. Then they should follow that and take out the 10 percent tithe and let people give freely that's what we do and you find when you don't make people give they give quite a bit more. So basically they have set it up as a business and have a tithing schedule which is wrong. No one in the church should be obligated to tithing under such conditions.
@dezinediva See how beautiful that is? So when I look at my christian people and see they are being told if you don't pay your tithe you will receive hell, that's not right. If the Bible says 10th tithe was for the Levites specifically what does that have to do with other people and christians? Then if the newtestament says you don't give under compulsion then if you don't pay hell should not be put in the way to scare you to do it.
So this goes back to the concept of taking care of the clergy by giving them what they need FOOD! Food is one of the only things that will keep us alive.
Yes, see Deut. 14:23, Leviticus 17:30 and see how GOD defined the tithe. It was NEVER money. Malachis tithe was not money untill the MONEYCHANGERS perverted the meaning of the tithe into 10% of ones income.
The apostles NEVER ONCE instructed tithing from either foodstuffs or money.
Learn to meet the needs of your brethren in secret, and not for a tax deduction..
Yes, see Deut. 14:23, Leviticus 17:30 and see how GOD defined the tithe. It was NEVER money. Malachis tithe was not money untill the MONEYCHANGERS perverted the meaning of the tithe into 10% of ones income.
The apostles NEVER ONCE instructed tithing from either foodstuffs or money.
Learn to meet the needs of your brethren in secret, and not for a tax deduction..
@MsKittenz1 I agree with you. but I don't see anything wrong with having a mansion or cars or jet it's just HOW DID YOU GET IT? See if a Pastor has a business that he started and get wealth from and still preach ok, but if all that money comes strictly from the church which a lot of the pastor's money comes from then it's wrong. Peace
Well I think that man broke that down and there is no need to even look at another on tithing. It's all about your intentions if your intentions are based on fear your giving isn't pure.
@dezinediva Peace, my thing is I am muslim but I still feel sorry for my christian brothers and sistas because they are being pimped by the Pastor or Preacher etc. In Islam we are required for charity/zakat to give 2.5 percent of our YEARLY SAVINGS. Not our wages, but out of what we have saved which is almost nothing. If you couldn't save anything you can't give anything, Muhammad pbuh said "A SMILE IS CHARITY MOVING SOMETHING OUT OF A PERSONS WAY SO IT WON'T HARM THEM IS CHARITY".
If your pastor has a enormous mansion & cars, boats etc. that to me is not good . I think men of the cloth should live in a humble way as did Jesus! If money is being used ti support yer pastors lifestyle you may not be in the right church!
There was alot of scripture 2 try & back up what was being said. what scares me is that we are living in the last days of this world & we must b very careful where our trust lies. the Devil is in the details & even he knows the Bible. I think everyone who watches this must pray & ask that God exposes the truth! Giving is never a bad thing the $ should be used 2 help the less fortunate (local as well as less fortunate worlwide) $ is not to be used to buy yer pastor a rolls royce!
Exactly Brother! it is a HEART issue and how God leads you to give...it is a heart issue and leading of the Holy Spirit to give as you are lead..WHEW! You broke that down...........
Exactly Pastor! You are telling the truth....Tithing is so not NT...Excellent word!!..This is the churches ways of making sure they get a certain amount of money, pure manipulation...You broke this down brother! AMEN!!!...I need to send this clip to a few churches...lol!..I knew it was not right, and manipulation and GREED..and pure deception ..
Awesome! We have been so conditioned from childhood to accept information giving from an authoritative perspective as truth without question. The moment someone challenges the dogma as it has been given, (s)he is now considered "controversial", "heretic", etc. Compare this video to the one of Creflo Dollar suggesting that he'd shoot non-tithers.
I like the idea behind this video and always thought of tithing as a way to help those in need. My church, no longer Stonelake, is telling me that it is used for very specific forms of selective need. I am not fully familiar with the bible yet but I certainly do not believe this.
Thithing is good but doesnt justify sin or result in prosperity. I can give ten percent and spend 90 percent on drugs and hookers. That 10 percent wont make me right with god. I cant kill a person and donate a million to a church for forgiveness.
There's is a lot of things wrong with this analysis. @jassengrant got it right, the New Testament does talk about the tithes. Also, we give money because I'm pretty sure that we all are not farmers anymore; the point is you give off of what you EARN. Lastly, tithing is not the old law, it was before the law; if we read we can clearly see that. However, it's up to you, if you don't tithe it doesn't harm me; but if you do the Lord will bless you.
Law shows you are guilty not to save. Faith in the Messiah will save you. Then with faith of the Messiah you will love to keep God's law. What is law valid today? The laws that are commanded of keeping and running the Tabernacle or Temple are full filed in the Messiah are done. The laws left are the ones to keep to show you have the faith, the love for God. Like the Messiah Said which has More authority than any man including Paul, "IF You Love Me Keep MY Commandments." the first 10 is a start.
@TobokHogue Because the churches organizations are of Babylon and they want money, But The Messiah tough, His Kingdom is not going to be run like man runs these churches, He taught each one of us that are saved, to Go out in the world and preach. Not to sit once a week in a building and listen to man preach and give them money. Messiah command to Give to the widow, fatherless and poor. Do you see give to organized church? The Messiah said go to a town and ask for nothing and preach.
Matthew 23:23, Jesus confirms that we are to tithe (NEW TESTAMENT), but deals with what we see in this video. People don't want to give so they come up with arguments to support their position. Tithing was instituted 400 yrs before Abraham tithed to Mechelsidec. Economic systems of exchange were and are different in each culture. Grains, herds, etc. were used the same as money and are used the same today. The tithe is based on the economic system of the governing country you are in.
@jassengrant The New Test say Abraham gave of the spoils of war not of his own personal belongings or profit. If one want to tithe like Abraham did you need to win a war. BUT Abraham did Make a covenant with God not to take any spoil. So How can a man give a tithe of the spoil of what he promised not to take? If he gave a tithe of the spoils then he took a tithe of the spoils and Abraham broke a covenant with God. Try to figure this one out just sounds like an error some where.
@tegf4: That's an excellent point! Back then it was customary in that part of the world to tithe a tenth of the spoils of war. So Abraham wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary to tithe property that wasn't his own.
@ericjaynelson exactly, I laugh at these money hungry people demanding tithe and using Abraham and Jacob as a template for tithe. Abraham gave spoils of war which he say he would not touch and Jacob made a deal with God to get hem out of a jam and Jacob with give a tithe of his personal stock. God did not ask Jacob to do that. God told Moses to tithe the seeds of the land and fruit of the trees. Show me where God said money. I hope that you see the teaching of Babylon and come out of her.
@tegf4: I just reread your comment and I don't think I was very clear in my response. Abraham did not consider the spoils from the war his possessions to begin with so in that sense he was not touching them. We can see that he refused to keep those possessions when the king of sodom offered him all of the material wealth he had won in the war yet he refused because he did not consider them to be his possessions. Other then that it sounds like we agree. God never told anyone to tithe money.
Tithing is old school. The new testament doesnt require it. Under grace it rains on the just and unjust. (evil people are rich good people like jesus die poor.) and good people are rich and evil people are poor. Tithing has no influence on that.
@MegaJesusfreak2011: Excellent point! Not to mention the fact that God never told anyone to tithe money. He told them to tithe agriculture and produce. I use to believe the lie that their agriculture & livestock were their monetary system back until I learned what the Word really says for myself. I did a study on the various forms of money they used in Bible times and I quit writing when I got to 33. Many of these currencies are even mentioned in the Bible.
Christ said told the pharisee, he came for the sinner and not the "righteous". So to say, "preaching to the choir" is a waste of time. But my point is, not just with present day tithing, many things are wrong with the contemporary church today. And if the holy spirit was not imparted by God himself for individual wisdom and discernment, alot of folks would be blindly following churches and preachers that are in error.
Actually recently, not to boast. However, if that is what we are called to do, I would love to see a leader preacher elder or whomever I am supposed to submit myself under to their church leadership do those things to set an example. Brother, there is no "old school". Remember brother, God never changes. If going off of the inerrant word of the bible makes me "old school", then change my name to old school. Preach on
Regarding giving (i.e. tithing, offering) I can say the condition of your heart is the issue. And when you are a stingy giver or not one at all, you wind up losing what you were blessed with eventually. Only until you change your heart about giving will not keep your blessings
@FitnessMinded: We've been mentally brain washed to only think about giving in terms of money. People should be able to give whatever so they so choose to give with no guilt attached. When a person visits the elderly in a nursing home that's a wonderful form of giving. People should be able to give cars, clothes, food, gold, silver, jewelry, good advice, toys, etc... God loves a cheerful giver yet if a person decides not to give they are not under a curse under the New Testament Covenant.
The amount you give does not matter. You could give 0% to 100%, it doesn't matter. It is the condition of your heart in the act of giving that makes it good (faithful) or sinful. I believe making the tithe and offering in the new covenant church is denying the new covenant alltogether. Asking for set amount love offerings during worship service to me is nothing short of greed. If your ministry is meant to be, your congregation would give. If not, then you are not preaching the gospel 2 'em
Correct. But it has more to do with 'giving it' than being concerned with whats done with it. True giving has no strings attached. Too many flakey Christians only give when they can be sure they are satisfied about where it goes. Giving in the NT example is 'laying it down' not being conditional - which all comes back to the heart, which is why people justify not tithing.
I have get to find someone of true heart that actually gives more than tithers ( a measly % in reality)
@daggyz1959 With that being said, I tell you that there are many flakey preachers as well. Scripture attests to this very much so. I have yet to here about the tithe to the poor, orphaned, and widows from a christian church as of yet. Please explain this. Supporting a preacher of less than honest gospel, we will be held responsible as well. You will know a true minister of the faith by his fruits (works). A ministry without fruitful works is dead and teaching a false gospel.
Can't disagree with anything you say. We are taught to obey our leaders and let God deal with them. If we don';t like that we can disobey God but that is the order of things he instituted. We don't seem to have any poor in our church that aren't looked after becuase most of them are taught to get off the dole and they do. We have no orphans and the widows works and earn well on their own, so I'm not sure your point there.
But yes, fruit is the key, not how much they earn.
@daggyz1959 The "church" ekklesia is the body of Christ. Are people who are only in the physical church the children of Christ? Are not the homeless man on the corner, the hungry, the orphaned, the widowed? Who do we disciple to and what men do we fish? Do we fish for me in the physical church or those who are "lost" ? Eventhough many are lost in the physical church as well, the sinner who Christ mentions is usually outside of the church building right around the corner
??? What are you getting at. Your comments are old school religous terminolgy but correct none the less but where does this fit in the tithing debate or do you mean my comments about there are no poor in our church. The 'church' is the body of believers, the 'field' is those that aren't. Man your Christian terminology is old school. You talk to peple in the street with words they can relate to. But I'll ask a question.... when did you last go out to those you refer to?
Sorry, I mean fruit of the Pastors etc is the key, not a focus on how much some might earn. It's God that knows the heart of a man and their day (and ours) will eventually reveal all - and that is the way God has set it out to be... not questioning Pastors because they might happen to earn more than us. There is no law on how much any man can earn. There are flakey rich Pastors and there are flakey poor pastors. The money is irrelevant.
This video is about the freedom of giving liberally by the Spirit. What most do is use it to not tithe but how 'liberal' are they in their giving. Do you think the Spirit whispers "just give $3 today" or does he go "Do you trust in God or not?" I know what a lot of non tithers think - the $3 option.
So who gives liberally who doesn't tithe because I will applaud you. So is anyone out there do that?... (give so much they don't need tithing as a minimum?)
@daggyz1959 I'll I know is you're doing a tremendous amount of preaching to people on here but you aren't providing ANY scriptural grounds for what you're saying about tithing.
Because I didn't want to get into the scripture trap like religious people do. Pharisees loved to quote scripture....
But you start - where does it specifically say not to? Didn't Jesus take things like adultery and then tighten the conditions further to even thouhts of lust! Everyhthing Jesus did added to what was already there unless he specifically said otherwise.
@daggyz1959 There's no trap for you to get into. You just simply don't have any NT scripture to validate what you're saying. Jesus quoted scripture several times in scripture, especially when the devil was tempting Him and trying to trap him. Provide scripture to validate the authority that you present your case for Christians to tithe.
By the way, I noticed that you didn't respond to the Psalms 50 scripture that I provided you in reference using instruments for praise and worship.
Is there one out there who does not tithe who can actaully say they give more than 10% of their income directly into the church they support ( I'm hoping thye undertsand that support is money because turning up doesn't pay the bills).
Some churches have awesome Pastors, the members turn up and get awesome teaching and guidance and prayer and support and they pop $5 into the plate some weeks. My God, what is that other than a screwed up freeloader.
Jesus was a Jew born under the law so that he alone could fulfill the law for us
If we have to keep the law we would be keeping the Sabbath starts Frid night till Sat. night. All male babies would be circumicised on their 8th day, no pork eating and we would be stoning people to death for adultery.All 613 laws had to be kept, not just the tithe law. Jesus was speaking to Jew under the law in Matt. 23:23
Too many churches are old school. The old testament has nothing to do with the spirit. The curses of the old testament stand. (People still die because of adam, killers have to be fugatives because of cain, backsliders are affraid of every leave that falls from a tree.) But a person doesnt need to be rich to be saved. I can give god ten percent, if that other 90 percent is spent on hookers and drugs, then the problem of money managment wont be healed from giving ten percent.
Non Tithers one and only excuse is that tithing is not mentioned in the New Testament. Neither is celebrating the birth of Christ or using instruments for praise, worship or in church at all. You religious ones that don’t tithe, didn’t celebrate Christmas, play instruments, or go to a church that uses instruments, I applaud you, for your level of faith is real and you are not being a hypocrite. To those were this is not the case you are sad individuals who condemn yourselves by your own words.
@daggyz1959 It's not an excuse. It's called acurately understanding and refusing to be manipulated anymore by pastors who teach on this subject in error. The difference with Christmas is that we have the freedom in Christ to celebrate His birth if we choose to. Nobody goes around preaching Christmas like they do the tithe because they can't make any money off of that. We're not down for bondage to falsehoods. If you want to tithe then go ahead and do so.
Spoken like someone who ignores scripture when it suits them. You focus more on the pastor than the giving which is all about heart. Typical response. And you still use music in church even though the NT doesn't mention it? Of course you do.
Your heart cna't tell you because it's just disobedient. It's that simple.
@daggyz1959 Okay. Can you share any New Testament scriptures to help show me what scripture that I'm ignoring concerning tithing or any of the things that you've mentioned? If you can I will be the first to admit that I'm wrong. However, I'm confident that you won't because no such scripture exists concerning New Testament believers. Also, I'm sorry but your arguement about music in church doesn't make any sense.
@daggyz1959 Okay. Can you share any New Testament scriptures to help show me what scripture that I'm ignoring concerning tithing or any of the things that you've mentioned? If you can I will be the first to admit that I'm wrong. However, I'm confident that you won't because no such scripture exists concerning New Testament believers. Also, I'm sorry but your arguement about music in church doesn't make any sense.
I’ve earned way more than most do some years and I’ve earned less than those on the dole other years and still paid over 10%, and I’ve had plenty to live on I’ve always had transport. Now we’ve three vehicles. I have been given shares, bargains come my way, things happen that work out better than they first looked. God always provides. Tithing, offering and giving is a blessing and I have no fear of anything as God has to act on my faith ... and he does. That’s what he looks for...your heart!
Matt 23:23. Saying that only applied to the Pharisees he was addressing and not us is like saying its ok to ignore the commandments because he was answering the rich young man (Matt 19:16-21) and not us. It is all about the heart and this young man wanted to keep it all for himself even though the reward was greater. Stupid young man! In fact Jesus said if you want to be perfect go and sell everything and give it away. Man I’m so far short of perfect but at least I honour God with my substance.
@daggyz1959 okay so if we're supposed to obey the commandment that Jesus gave the rich young man have you sold all of your possessions or do you still have some?
Saying tithing does not apply because it’s not mentioned in the NT forget it doesn’t say not to. However the NT does say to give to the needy so if we don’t we are in error. Therefore there are many needy around you. By that definition if you are not always giving to them you are in error as the NT specifically states it. Jesus says unless “your righteousness surpasses the Pharisees your a goner” and they tithed!
@daggyz1959 Is Jesus your example? Explain a time in scripture where He tithed. Explain a time in scripture where any beliver (after the cross) was instructed to tithe.
Explain where we are allowed to use instruments in praise and worship? Legalism is where you're going with this... but tithes are of the heart, you need a good heart to tithe and go beyond, and going beyond is the goal. Pastors can abuse tithes but God says they are his problem. The 'giving' is our problem, not what happens to it afterward (laying proceeds from sales at Apostles feet means the giving of it over with no strings). Not giving because what might happen is a heart problem.
@daggyz1959 - Psalm 150 Praise the LORD! Praise God in His sanctuary; Praise Him in His mighty expanse. Praise Him for His mighty deeds; Praise Him according to His excellent greatness. Praise Him with trumpet sound; Praise Him with harp and lyre. Praise Him with timbrel and dancing; Praise Him with stringed instruments and pipe. Praise Him with loud cymbals; Praise Him with resounding cymbals. Let everything that has breath praise the LORD. Praise the LORD!
If you don't believe in tribute to God, don't pay anything and continue to put your $2 in the plate each week in recognition of the actual value of the word you receive!
I give because my heart leads me to an because I receive what they receive and it helps me grow. I pay for what I receive. I gave even when old pastors brought useless words as my heart led me to give tribute back to God.
But it's ok. Spend the money on your new TV instead, I'm sure it'll count in heaven.
@daggyz1959 Jesus never taugh any of this giving money because you recieved a word or paying someone to preach to you. Give some bible that clearly supports what you're saying.
I hear a lot saying tithes shouldn't be paid because it's not specifically mentioned in the NT. Are these the same people who celebrate Christmas of which the NT says nothing & is actually based on a pagan ritual?
I have yet to find an antitither actually prove they give more than 10% (it's a heart thing after all), so are cheap toward God and the ministry. Thieves & cheapskates who go to church and take all thats there and it costs them 'nothing'. Now THAT is something the Bible speaks about!
@daggyz1959 its not an obligation for a christian. That is the point we are making. A good christina is not obliged to tithe. That is the point. You are only perverting the facts
although this is the truth (I love it!) the bills of the church still must be paid. My church teach this also but its hard to get money from the people now for bills and church finaces. Yes were not under the law but if ur rightious you would still give an offering simular or larger than a tithe to help the ministry go on. I guess the 5 dislikes are pastors that beat thier people ovr the head with the "curse with a curse" gospel lol. AWESOME VIDEO
@rickunc does it make it right to dupe people to make money because you need it? Do you think we need to fabricate stuff to help God build his work? God will sustain his church whether you give or not. Antonio is right
This is deep! I can't even put into words. Making it compulsory to give does nothing to change the condition of a man's heart which to me, the preacher is never able to teach what is necessary for a "christian" to receive salvation, and that is faith. You're not allowing the christian to mature spiritually by keeping them in bondage of threats. Thereby, your ministry is in vain and is nothing more than a counterfeit OT jewish priesthood whereas in they don't even accept the tithe anymore
That is true and also applies to say - love (we are 'commanded' to love which makes it compulsory)... need I go on?
Tithes are there because mans heart is such that he is too greedy. My case in point, how much do you give? Does it hurt?, or is it the dregs after you've bought all the things 'you' want? I have never found a nontither 'give whats in your heart' giver, give more than a tither and a tithe is such a SMALL portion to give I can't see why people have a issue with it!
Studying. Since when did God deal with the head over faith? Religion allows you bu giving is always a matter of the heart and not who it goes to. Those that don't give have a heart problem and it's everywhere in the Bible form the OT to the old widow and her mite to those who laid large sums at the fett of their leaders.
Tithes show the heart condition like very little else does.
@daggyz1959 : I agree! Giving is indeed a condition of the heart but we have been mentally sci-opted to refer to giving only in terms of money. When a person goes to a nursing home to visit the sick & the shut in that's a wonderful form of giving. Biblically tithing never had anything to do with money. God instructed them to give agriculture & livestock. Jesus personally never taught tithing & neither did the Apostles. The idea of using money to tithe occurred in the 4th & 5th centuries A.D.
Respond to this video:When we place ourselves under yokes that God never instituted we are discrediting the Blood of our risen Savior. We no longer need food & drink tithes because under the New Testament covenant Jesus is now yoked in with us. One of the lies that perpetuates money tithing is that they did not use money back then. In truth they had very advanced monetary systems. In one parable Jesus even talks about drawing interest from money placed in the bank.
Respond to this video: I did my own research on money they used in Bible times in both the old & new testaments. Everything seemed to be backed by gold & silver & they did major commerce between various nations yet they still many forms of money, such as: shekels, talents, mina, argurion, tetradrachma. denarii, drachma, assarius, dilepton, lepton, quadrans, daric, keceph, qesitahs, chalkos, kenos, didrachmon, gold, silver, aghorah etc......
Oh you are kidding right. Please let me know if your not a Christian and have trouble reading because if your a Christian and don't know them or even how to look them up you need serious councel. Tithing is only a part of giving, a small part but we'll give a hint with "where your treasure is" and see if you can go from there as it refers to us as individuals.
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Exdous Chapter 20:vers.17 Thou shalt not covet any thing that is thy neighbour's. The 10th commandment.The truth about giving.
brotherfrank62 1 week ago
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Can somebody help me? I have stopped tithing for quite some time and opted for freewill giving. I really felt happier in my giving until I read the testimonies of Mary Baxter, Choo Thomas, and some others who had visions or out of the body experiences for being taken by Jesus to heaven and hell. They claimed that they saw Christians in hell for reasons like unrepentance & unforgiveness. What disturbed me is their claim that they saw Christians in hell for not tithing. Now I'm confused again.
r13680 2 weeks ago
Indeed, Christ came to FULFILL the Law! And He absolutely fulfilled the ENTIRE Law: Civil, Ceremonial, and The Ten Commandments. How did he accomplish this? He was sinless. 1 Cr 15:56 - The Sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law. From this scripture we see that where there is no sin, the law is of no effect, or simply, has been put to rest. Indeed, it has been put to rest in Christ Jesus when (on the cross) he condemned sin in the flesh once and for all! IT IS FINISHED!
naenaebabii21 3 weeks ago
Yes! This is Truth! As a result of my studies, I have discovered most of what our brother in Christ has said. I've recently come to know who I truly am in Christ Jesus! I am indeed a joint heir with Christ. He came to give freely of His life which is Grace personified. Tithing causes christians to fall from Grace by which as believers we have the righteousness of Christ to a place of self-righteousness and pride relying upon our works (paying tithes) to get blessings from God.
naenaebabii21 3 weeks ago
This man is dead wrong. First of all you have to know about kingdoms and its obvious that he doesnt have a clue. Jesus said repent for the kingdom of God is near. That let you know heaven is a country. Jesus said give Ceasur what is Ceacur and God what is God. Tithes is taxes you have to pay taxes in heaven and on earth read malicah 3:10 God did say he didn't come to change.the law.
nefreteri2000 3 weeks ago
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Exdous Chapter 20:vers.17 The truth about giving. Thou shalt not covet any thing that is thy neighbour's. The 10th commandment.
brotherfrank62 1 month ago
I heard that paying tithes not according to the law but by the order of melchizedek in Hebrew chapter 7 would someone explain or would the gentlemen in this video explain
Thanks
snaby1205 1 month ago
This is a powerful word
snaby1205 1 month ago
My pastor says that if we don't pay tithes, the devil will devour your stuff... Malachi 3
My pastor says I am robbing God if we don't give him 10% of all the money I receive like income, inheritance, gifts. Even little children have to give 10% of their birthday money.
JesusLuvsU75 1 month ago
@JesusLuvsU75 Your pastor is dead wrong, period. If we are supposed to tithe why are we not required to follow the rest of the law? Tithing was clearly a part of the law in the Old Testament. Jesus said if you break one part of the law you have broken it all, in other words if you are going to follow on e part of the law you have to follow it all, you can just pick and choose what part will follow.
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@ danieltwelve3, ok, well since tithing is part of the LAW, and we're no longer under the law, then that means we can go out and murder whomever we want, sleep with who we want, worship any god we want, and basically live our lives as we see fit, because after all, all that stuff is under the law. But wait, we as believers are already doing that. Jesus came to fulfill the law, NOT to do away with it. In other words, he came so that we would follow the same commandments, not out of obligation
76Cthompson 2 months ago
@76Cthompson: You make some good points but the sins you are mentioned are repeated over again in the new testament. There were 613 laws in the old testament including not eating pork & animal sacrifices. I don't know too many people who bring lambs & goats to church in order to sacrifice them on hot flaming altars. Under the new testament covenant we are no more required to tithe than we are to make animals sacrifices. NO WHERE in the Bible did God command anyone to tithe money.
ericjaynelson 1 month ago 2
@76Cthompson: God commanded Israel to tithe FOOD ITEMS not money! The fact that we even talk about tithing in terms of money shows how great the satanic deception is! Also you neglected to finish the complete thought where Jesus stated that He did not come to do away with the law. [Matthew 5:18--For I assure you: Until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or one stroke of a letter will pass from the law until ALL THINGS ARE COMPLETED.].
ericjaynelson 1 month ago
@76Cthompson: Jesus completed ALL things pertaining to the law with His death burial and resurrection. He was the only person capable of fulfilling all 613 ordinances of the old testament covenant perfectly, and then He established a brand New Covenant. That's why we don't bring animals to church in order to slay them and then sacrifice them on blazing hot altars.....and it's the same reason we don't tithe.
ericjaynelson 1 month ago
I can start saving some money now.
eightway1 2 months ago
Really enjoyed!!! Truth will set u free and truth is love so get u some.
rissalovelos 3 months ago
The clearest, to the point explanation I have heard so far on what really is tithing and on why tithing is not relevant in the new testament.
r13680 3 months ago
@ EICRADIO. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that anyone should be coerced into doing anything. But my point is, even though we're talking about churches, that doesn't mean that they're exempt from having to pay bills, and maintain the actual facilities. The other side to that is, people often get so caught up in giving tithes, and offering in church, because they feel that the Pastor is going to take the money. But we need to remember that we shouldn't let what other people do, dictate h
76Cthompson 4 months ago
tithing in the congregations is a lie, not biblical at all as money and we can give any amount we want now even more than tithe. It doesn't say don't give, but give anything that comes from your heart. We deceive ourselves, by believing certain pastors. Because they follow only the tithe from the law of Moses not everything and they have twisted the truth about it. God bless that pastor for telling the truth because He is not gaining money for telling the truth, but setting people free.
plokij12341234 4 months ago
Ok, this is my question. Regardless of what you want to call it, tithing or giving. At the end of the day what difference does it make? I mean, just like we have bills to pay in our households, the church has to pay bills as well. So what, do you think that because it's a church that they don't have to pay things like water, electricity, and mortgages? Or maybe you think that they can take a ton of steaks and vegetables and pay their bills with that. Come on people, be for real
76Cthompson 4 months ago
@76Cthompson The difference is Law & Grace. We do not have a right to pick and choose part of the law, Galatians 3:10. Yet, today we are only charged to give with a cheerful heart, 2 Corinthians 9:7.
EICRADIO 4 months ago
@76Cthompson ur suppossed to pay your offering not tithes, offerings is giving what ur heart leads you to give.
pharastar1 3 months ago
@76Cthompson This video is not geared towards telling people NOT to give. You're right in that a church needs to keep its lights on and a shepherd should partake in material blessings (ie gifts) the same way we partake of spiritual blessings. However, if you don't give, it should not be tied to a curse. Tithing was the law and was not optional.
josephgreensr 3 months ago
@76Cthompson It makes a lot of difference. A tithe means 10% and it is taught as a LAW. We are not under a law of tithing. We, as Christians, are led by the Spirit within us to give. There is a big difference. And if people do not think there is a big difference, then they do not love their freedom in Christ.
danieltwelve3 2 months ago
Did Jesus pay tithes?
qncjordan 4 months ago
This Brother is deep! I love this video! I've always been more interested in truth over religious traditions of bondage!
ericjaynelson 4 months ago
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pacbiggiecom 4 months ago
Only intelligent thing I've ever heard LL Cool J say.
Darkfalz79 4 months ago
Very helpful
dansterrrr 5 months ago
found this video 18months ago and I am impressed by the richness of this man's knowledge. Tithing is a ponzi scheme and every one knows it except those trying to buy blessing. I know, I have been there.
Love God, Love your neighbour and give from the heart. Thats all you need. God bless and spread this message by Antonio Thomas
jopaddy81 5 months ago
WOW! That was an amazing account of the word. GOD BLESS YOU Pastor!
SacredSocietyAP 5 months ago
WOW! I knew that GOD is so good! I felt it down in my heart, what the brohter explained so perfectly and wonderful and true! Why should I give back money to my heavenly and rich father? What sense makes that?! Thank you LORD JESUS!
Bless this brother!
Patrizia4Christ 5 months ago
@JesusIsMyAnswer -Thanks, I've pointed people to the same verse.
ndependentwoman 5 months ago
This is so powerful!!!!
pwilson1961 5 months ago
Amen, good video.
nomadak47 6 months ago
"IS THERE ANY SCRIPTURE TO SUPPORT THAT?" says the camera man.....wake up homie, there is no scripture to support the idea of money scheme tithing ideology bro..........do you think there is support literature in the bible for TITHES??? fuck no! preachers have used manipulation and interpretation for their well being..... (like mansions and beamers)
eddyg2020 6 months ago
Pastor, I'm with you 100%. I believe that, If it is Good Enough for GOD... It Should be Good Enough for ME. So if I work 40 per week and made $400.00 and my BOSS give a check for $40.00 ( I'M SURE YOU HAVE HEARD OF THE WORD POSTAL). But yet we taught to bring what we don't to church for a Blessing. We should give to the church to support the ministry, But Salvation is FREE..
barr1959 6 months ago
@barr1959 ,,,,,,,,,remember, that the support is not to be set at a fixed rate by ministers and call it an order of GOD for the people!!!! thats devilish and scumbaged!!!
=) ........merry xmas and happy easter
eddyg2020 6 months ago
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Good grief! This is one AWESOME video!
ericjaynelson 6 months ago
wow!
comebigarestayathome 6 months ago
Good vid ,lol the lady in the video most have been tithing for a while.
Powell4184 6 months ago
One point the brother errs is Malachi did not say bring the whole tithe. He says bring all the tithes. So he is making a false argument here. He is straight on in his teaching otherwise.
glipzik 6 months ago
This guy is awesome. Beautifully stated. God Bless you sir.
SuperBanjo007 6 months ago
You have no clear mind for critical research, nor do you respect the basic gift of God for biblical accuracy. A little knowledge does not make one an intellectual! NEOPHITE.
PASTORFIRE 7 months ago
Thanks for posting this video. It is very useful.
These greedy preachers have got away with deceiving many for far too long. It's about time people woke up & hopefully realised they do NOT have to give 10% of their income to any church!
MustaffaCuppa 7 months ago
@MustaffaCuppa .........yes, they have gotten away with it since martin luther started the protastant church
eddyg2020 6 months ago
Good Stuff!!
ChristLikeTV 7 months ago
This video will help shed some MORE light on the subject... vimeo.com/omimexico/truth-about-tithing
videobibleteacher 7 months ago
8 people are still blind. And they are mad because they gave a shit load of money to their "churches".
DionLaurent1 7 months ago
Awesome, I have been Preaching the same thing. GOD said that our giving must be fueled by faith and whatever is not of faith is sin.
jant277 7 months ago
Great information, very well compiled, thanks. I learn't alot.
MrLimeyBob 7 months ago
i have spoke before here,but All i can say now is just shack my head and say, Lord help you ! Everytime the group was to build a church. They would take up money offered when you enter the temple for church service. MONEY !
turtle4aire 7 months ago
i think you off here ! At the time of 600 BCE You had tithing as they brought apart of the first crop or sheep. This was tithing then and now we call it Money. The Priest of the temple was to be taken care of in their livily hood. The Prirest did not live on air. they wanted Food and clothing ! They did not come to the church on Saturday Naked,but was cloth to be there ! Where did they get the clothes ?
turtle4aire 7 months ago
@turtle4aire, from your comments I can tell you have never in your life actually read Leviticus or Deuteronomy.
NYTNinAmerica 7 months ago
This brother hit it right on the nail! I also listened to Pastor G. Craige Lewis message on tithing and he said the exact same thing. If you are a born again, you are a joint heir with Christ which mean you own 100% of your money and He owns 100% of your money. We give to support the work of God. This tithe heresy has made many pastors millionaires while their congregation are struggling to pay a bill. Some will tell you pay God first and then your bill. If you don't have enough then trust God
chuckyoo 7 months ago
To me, very interesting fact is, that preachers today are pick up from the Law what THEY LIKE- tithing, but they are push away what is not in their INTERES, like example: circumcision or saturday.
ivanasimic1 7 months ago
Bottom line is this non-Jews are not obligated to the law of Moses becoming a Christian does not make you a Jew.
eddie486us 7 months ago
I encourage everyone here to go and do their own research. Read the whole book of Malachi. You will see that this guy is right. Also, the book of Malachi is not the only book that talks about tithes. If can prove to me using scriptures that this guy is in error then I'll surrender my argument.
TheDiscipleJ 8 months ago
Money actually .. so what good is it if we must lose our souls because of it? Even the so called body of christ has traded its soul for money. A body now filled with trick stars and lier's, twisting stories or events of biblical times to fabricate doctrines purely aimed at subjecting people to the chains they were once freed from. They are all part of the predicted abomination that causes desolation!
twodavh 8 months ago
@ lambsofchrist , paul said the letter killeth and that if you do part of the law you do the whole law and if not you are condemed , but we are not under the law . This guy is right
apostlereese 8 months ago
this understanding of the tithing offerings was first taught by the hebrew israelites,this false preacher dosent know the full truth of the bible, he should start keeping the law leviticus,21;5
LAMBSOFCHRIST 8 months ago
Very good teaching here.
@gilbertd2174 Jesus did not encourage tithing. He rebuked the Pharisees, who were under the law and put others under an even tougher yoke than they themselves were under. The Pharisees would keep part of the law, but not all of it, so Jesus rebuked them for being hypocrites. After the cross, the Old Covenant system was done away with and these tithing laws were no longer in effect anyway. I see no one tithing mint, anise and cumin today. :D
graceroots 8 months ago
He has his info off; notice he said "we are talking about the catholic church" the catholic church is not the true or original history of the church. Also, did he consider that Jesus encouraged tithing.
gilbertd2174 8 months ago
@gilbertd2174
The guy is right. I have done 7 months of research on that. You are probably a pastor yourself, and that's probably 1 of the reason why you are in disagreement. This is not about you but rather about Gods word concerning his church. We need to stop teaching heresy and get real with Gods word. Anyone that is selling the Gospel is a false prophet. Be bless
TheDiscipleJ 8 months ago
Great teaching man of God; one of the best I ever heard about it! I put it in favorite. Thank you and bless you and your minitsry as well!
ivanasimic1 8 months ago
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MrRobAtchison 8 months ago
robb not the poor because he is poor. the gospel is suppose to be for the poor.
corneliuslb 8 months ago
ALl I have to say is
"If this is of God then your lack of giving can not destroy it" Amen
africanboybkman 9 months ago
Tithing was for the whole community, everyone was to share of this blessing.
ladybugsing 9 months ago
@teg4: unless you are reading something other than the Bible, it clearly states in your Bible that Abraham paid tithes to Mechelsidec. You won't find anywhere in the Word where Abraham gave what was not his, you can't fabricate evidence! If you stick with the Word, you will find that tithing is Biblical. If people don't want to give, then don't! Just stop trying to rewrite the Word and make excuses for what you never intended to do. Everyone is not out for the money.
jassengrant 9 months ago
:@jassengrant Actually it is in the bible Hebrews 7:4 he gave that which he captured in war, not of his own. It also says, Think how great this man was for Abram to give a tithe. This tells us that tithing was not a mandatory act, but an act of show one honor. Please to be offended at the truth, take it or leave it. But some ppl wld rather really be delivered. Thank You.
kingsgirl30 9 months ago
@jassengrant Umm. It does say just that in the NT Heb 7:4. Clearly your leader keep you folks in th OT, the bondage section. Come over to deliverance brother. It also says, think how great this man was, for Abram to give a tenth of his spoils. Clearly, this tells us that Abram was not obligated, but out of honor, Abram gave him a tenth. Also, bare in mind, it was a king. Not a pastor. Not a priest. Just weak.
kingsgirl30 9 months ago
@jassengrant Uh actually if you read Gen 14 the bible said abraham recovered all the spoils... The spoils that he recovered were Lots, and the Kings that were over taken... and he gave everybody back there stuff... When the king of sodom tried to give him the Spoils Abraham rejected them unless they would say they made him rich.
So yeah Abraham gave a tithe as in a tenth but he didn't give a tithe in the sense of his increase as God commanded tithing to be. Only reason abraham even
MrRobAtchison 8 months ago
@jassengrant
Confronted the kings was because they kidnapped Lot and took all his stuff.... None of the stuff Abraham recovered was his so he gave everything back to its rightful owner. With the exception of a tithe of the Spoils to Melchizedek. and He did this because after they got back from the battle Melchizedek gave him bread, wine and blessed him. Tithe means tenth... If I gave some one 10 percent of my clothes thats a tithe meaning a tenth but it wouldn't be the Tithe like God commanded
MrRobAtchison 8 months ago
@jassengrant
So Abraham gave a tithe meaning tenth but it was not a Tithe like God commanded because spoils are by definition: Goods stolen or taken forcibly, property seized from a victim after a conflict. Their is nowhere in scripture were Tithing the way God command used spoils it was always a tenth from ones increase from ones land, not something you seized from someone that wasn't yours to begin with.... Read Gen 14
MrRobAtchison 8 months ago
@jassengrant
Long story short Abraham's tithing was a tenth but it was not tithing as God commanded the children of Israel hundreds of years later.
MrRobAtchison 8 months ago
Thank you for speaking the truth.
MsAddieofAUG 9 months ago
You are on point. I'm glad that a minister of the gospel finally vocalized some things that I have been telling several heathenish, so-called church folk. Too much emphasis has been placed on a fallacious mis-interpretation of a few verses in the book of Malachi. If one is in God, they would automatically enhance the bottom line of their house of worship...without compulsion.
iamricreid 9 months ago
The newtestament giving not tithe is not preached yet it's the newtestament that preachers avocate is what they should follow. Then they should follow that and take out the 10 percent tithe and let people give freely that's what we do and you find when you don't make people give they give quite a bit more. So basically they have set it up as a business and have a tithing schedule which is wrong. No one in the church should be obligated to tithing under such conditions.
rahim4411 9 months ago
@dezinediva See how beautiful that is? So when I look at my christian people and see they are being told if you don't pay your tithe you will receive hell, that's not right. If the Bible says 10th tithe was for the Levites specifically what does that have to do with other people and christians? Then if the newtestament says you don't give under compulsion then if you don't pay hell should not be put in the way to scare you to do it.
rahim4411 9 months ago
So this goes back to the concept of taking care of the clergy by giving them what they need FOOD! Food is one of the only things that will keep us alive.
dezinediva 9 months ago
LOL this is so funny yet sad man, this was video was awesome plain and simple...
DNCIE1981 10 months ago
Yes, see Deut. 14:23, Leviticus 17:30 and see how GOD defined the tithe. It was NEVER money. Malachis tithe was not money untill the MONEYCHANGERS perverted the meaning of the tithe into 10% of ones income.
The apostles NEVER ONCE instructed tithing from either foodstuffs or money.
Learn to meet the needs of your brethren in secret, and not for a tax deduction..
heydadd 10 months ago
Yes, see Deut. 14:23, Leviticus 17:30 and see how GOD defined the tithe. It was NEVER money. Malachis tithe was not money untill the MONEYCHANGERS perverted the meaning of the tithe into 10% of ones income.
The apostles NEVER ONCE instructed tithing from either foodstuffs or money.
Learn to meet the needs of your brethren in secret, and not for a tax deduction..
heydadd 10 months ago
the money back then is "SHEKELS" or Sheqels this is a Hebrew word. Shekels was the money or the silver. So he is right on point.
rahim4411 10 months ago
@MsKittenz1 I agree with you. but I don't see anything wrong with having a mansion or cars or jet it's just HOW DID YOU GET IT? See if a Pastor has a business that he started and get wealth from and still preach ok, but if all that money comes strictly from the church which a lot of the pastor's money comes from then it's wrong. Peace
rahim4411 10 months ago
Well I think that man broke that down and there is no need to even look at another on tithing. It's all about your intentions if your intentions are based on fear your giving isn't pure.
rahim4411 10 months ago
@rahim4411 i agree. or if you do it because you want to receive stuff.
dezinediva 9 months ago
@dezinediva Peace, my thing is I am muslim but I still feel sorry for my christian brothers and sistas because they are being pimped by the Pastor or Preacher etc. In Islam we are required for charity/zakat to give 2.5 percent of our YEARLY SAVINGS. Not our wages, but out of what we have saved which is almost nothing. If you couldn't save anything you can't give anything, Muhammad pbuh said "A SMILE IS CHARITY MOVING SOMETHING OUT OF A PERSONS WAY SO IT WON'T HARM THEM IS CHARITY".
rahim4411 9 months ago
i love it ! tell the truth mayne!! god bless
its making me angry that pastors really
teach tithing
PomonaCityRep 10 months ago
This guy has got it down! Where is his church?
MamaGboyega 10 months ago
@MamaGboyega
Freedom Christian Church
4661-C Hammermill Road
Tucker, Georgia 30084
TitusMusicMinistry 9 months ago
If your pastor has a enormous mansion & cars, boats etc. that to me is not good . I think men of the cloth should live in a humble way as did Jesus! If money is being used ti support yer pastors lifestyle you may not be in the right church!
MsKittenz1 10 months ago
There was alot of scripture 2 try & back up what was being said. what scares me is that we are living in the last days of this world & we must b very careful where our trust lies. the Devil is in the details & even he knows the Bible. I think everyone who watches this must pray & ask that God exposes the truth! Giving is never a bad thing the $ should be used 2 help the less fortunate (local as well as less fortunate worlwide) $ is not to be used to buy yer pastor a rolls royce!
MsKittenz1 10 months ago
yep! you are right! we give only how the lord lead us to!
soldierforGod25 10 months ago
Exactly Brother! it is a HEART issue and how God leads you to give...it is a heart issue and leading of the Holy Spirit to give as you are lead..WHEW! You broke that down...........
SPOKENFOR36 10 months ago
Exactly Pastor! You are telling the truth....Tithing is so not NT...Excellent word!!..This is the churches ways of making sure they get a certain amount of money, pure manipulation...You broke this down brother! AMEN!!!...I need to send this clip to a few churches...lol!..I knew it was not right, and manipulation and GREED..and pure deception ..
SPOKENFOR36 10 months ago
Awesome! We have been so conditioned from childhood to accept information giving from an authoritative perspective as truth without question. The moment someone challenges the dogma as it has been given, (s)he is now considered "controversial", "heretic", etc. Compare this video to the one of Creflo Dollar suggesting that he'd shoot non-tithers.
rosrmcse 11 months ago
Loooved it !
almenaja 11 months ago
I like the idea behind this video and always thought of tithing as a way to help those in need. My church, no longer Stonelake, is telling me that it is used for very specific forms of selective need. I am not fully familiar with the bible yet but I certainly do not believe this.
StoneLakeChurch 11 months ago
love it ,, love the true meaning of this message
alphonsa63 11 months ago
Thithing is good but doesnt justify sin or result in prosperity. I can give ten percent and spend 90 percent on drugs and hookers. That 10 percent wont make me right with god. I cant kill a person and donate a million to a church for forgiveness.
MegaJesusfreak2011 1 year ago
@MegaJesusfreak2011 well said....
bamm602 11 months ago
There's is a lot of things wrong with this analysis. @jassengrant got it right, the New Testament does talk about the tithes. Also, we give money because I'm pretty sure that we all are not farmers anymore; the point is you give off of what you EARN. Lastly, tithing is not the old law, it was before the law; if we read we can clearly see that. However, it's up to you, if you don't tithe it doesn't harm me; but if you do the Lord will bless you.
gewashington 1 year ago
Law shows you are guilty not to save. Faith in the Messiah will save you. Then with faith of the Messiah you will love to keep God's law. What is law valid today? The laws that are commanded of keeping and running the Tabernacle or Temple are full filed in the Messiah are done. The laws left are the ones to keep to show you have the faith, the love for God. Like the Messiah Said which has More authority than any man including Paul, "IF You Love Me Keep MY Commandments." the first 10 is a start.
tegf4 1 year ago
how does the church operate without giving?
TobokHogue 1 year ago
@TobokHogue Because the churches organizations are of Babylon and they want money, But The Messiah tough, His Kingdom is not going to be run like man runs these churches, He taught each one of us that are saved, to Go out in the world and preach. Not to sit once a week in a building and listen to man preach and give them money. Messiah command to Give to the widow, fatherless and poor. Do you see give to organized church? The Messiah said go to a town and ask for nothing and preach.
tegf4 1 year ago
Matthew 23:23, Jesus confirms that we are to tithe (NEW TESTAMENT), but deals with what we see in this video. People don't want to give so they come up with arguments to support their position. Tithing was instituted 400 yrs before Abraham tithed to Mechelsidec. Economic systems of exchange were and are different in each culture. Grains, herds, etc. were used the same as money and are used the same today. The tithe is based on the economic system of the governing country you are in.
jassengrant 1 year ago
@jassengrant The New Test say Abraham gave of the spoils of war not of his own personal belongings or profit. If one want to tithe like Abraham did you need to win a war. BUT Abraham did Make a covenant with God not to take any spoil. So How can a man give a tithe of the spoil of what he promised not to take? If he gave a tithe of the spoils then he took a tithe of the spoils and Abraham broke a covenant with God. Try to figure this one out just sounds like an error some where.
tegf4 1 year ago
@tegf4: That's an excellent point! Back then it was customary in that part of the world to tithe a tenth of the spoils of war. So Abraham wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary to tithe property that wasn't his own.
ericjaynelson 1 year ago
@ericjaynelson exactly, I laugh at these money hungry people demanding tithe and using Abraham and Jacob as a template for tithe. Abraham gave spoils of war which he say he would not touch and Jacob made a deal with God to get hem out of a jam and Jacob with give a tithe of his personal stock. God did not ask Jacob to do that. God told Moses to tithe the seeds of the land and fruit of the trees. Show me where God said money. I hope that you see the teaching of Babylon and come out of her.
tegf4 1 year ago
@tegf4: I just reread your comment and I don't think I was very clear in my response. Abraham did not consider the spoils from the war his possessions to begin with so in that sense he was not touching them. We can see that he refused to keep those possessions when the king of sodom offered him all of the material wealth he had won in the war yet he refused because he did not consider them to be his possessions. Other then that it sounds like we agree. God never told anyone to tithe money.
ericjaynelson 1 year ago
@jassengrant Do you know Jesus was talking to Jews under the Mosaic law then?
juboy04 11 months ago
Tithing is old school. The new testament doesnt require it. Under grace it rains on the just and unjust. (evil people are rich good people like jesus die poor.) and good people are rich and evil people are poor. Tithing has no influence on that.
MegaJesusfreak2011 1 year ago
@MegaJesusfreak2011: Excellent point! Not to mention the fact that God never told anyone to tithe money. He told them to tithe agriculture and produce. I use to believe the lie that their agriculture & livestock were their monetary system back until I learned what the Word really says for myself. I did a study on the various forms of money they used in Bible times and I quit writing when I got to 33. Many of these currencies are even mentioned in the Bible.
ericjaynelson 1 year ago
Christ said told the pharisee, he came for the sinner and not the "righteous". So to say, "preaching to the choir" is a waste of time. But my point is, not just with present day tithing, many things are wrong with the contemporary church today. And if the holy spirit was not imparted by God himself for individual wisdom and discernment, alot of folks would be blindly following churches and preachers that are in error.
FitnessMinded 1 year ago
Actually recently, not to boast. However, if that is what we are called to do, I would love to see a leader preacher elder or whomever I am supposed to submit myself under to their church leadership do those things to set an example. Brother, there is no "old school". Remember brother, God never changes. If going off of the inerrant word of the bible makes me "old school", then change my name to old school. Preach on
FitnessMinded 1 year ago
Regarding giving (i.e. tithing, offering) I can say the condition of your heart is the issue. And when you are a stingy giver or not one at all, you wind up losing what you were blessed with eventually. Only until you change your heart about giving will not keep your blessings
FitnessMinded 1 year ago
@FitnessMinded: We've been mentally brain washed to only think about giving in terms of money. People should be able to give whatever so they so choose to give with no guilt attached. When a person visits the elderly in a nursing home that's a wonderful form of giving. People should be able to give cars, clothes, food, gold, silver, jewelry, good advice, toys, etc... God loves a cheerful giver yet if a person decides not to give they are not under a curse under the New Testament Covenant.
ericjaynelson 1 year ago
The amount you give does not matter. You could give 0% to 100%, it doesn't matter. It is the condition of your heart in the act of giving that makes it good (faithful) or sinful. I believe making the tithe and offering in the new covenant church is denying the new covenant alltogether. Asking for set amount love offerings during worship service to me is nothing short of greed. If your ministry is meant to be, your congregation would give. If not, then you are not preaching the gospel 2 'em
FitnessMinded 1 year ago
@FitnessMinded
Correct. But it has more to do with 'giving it' than being concerned with whats done with it. True giving has no strings attached. Too many flakey Christians only give when they can be sure they are satisfied about where it goes. Giving in the NT example is 'laying it down' not being conditional - which all comes back to the heart, which is why people justify not tithing.
I have get to find someone of true heart that actually gives more than tithers ( a measly % in reality)
daggyz1959 1 year ago
@daggyz1959 With that being said, I tell you that there are many flakey preachers as well. Scripture attests to this very much so. I have yet to here about the tithe to the poor, orphaned, and widows from a christian church as of yet. Please explain this. Supporting a preacher of less than honest gospel, we will be held responsible as well. You will know a true minister of the faith by his fruits (works). A ministry without fruitful works is dead and teaching a false gospel.
FitnessMinded 1 year ago
@FitnessMinded
Can't disagree with anything you say. We are taught to obey our leaders and let God deal with them. If we don';t like that we can disobey God but that is the order of things he instituted. We don't seem to have any poor in our church that aren't looked after becuase most of them are taught to get off the dole and they do. We have no orphans and the widows works and earn well on their own, so I'm not sure your point there.
But yes, fruit is the key, not how much they earn.
daggyz1959 1 year ago
@daggyz1959 The "church" ekklesia is the body of Christ. Are people who are only in the physical church the children of Christ? Are not the homeless man on the corner, the hungry, the orphaned, the widowed? Who do we disciple to and what men do we fish? Do we fish for me in the physical church or those who are "lost" ? Eventhough many are lost in the physical church as well, the sinner who Christ mentions is usually outside of the church building right around the corner
FitnessMinded 1 year ago
@FitnessMinded
??? What are you getting at. Your comments are old school religous terminolgy but correct none the less but where does this fit in the tithing debate or do you mean my comments about there are no poor in our church. The 'church' is the body of believers, the 'field' is those that aren't. Man your Christian terminology is old school. You talk to peple in the street with words they can relate to. But I'll ask a question.... when did you last go out to those you refer to?
daggyz1959 1 year ago
@FitnessMinded
Sorry, I mean fruit of the Pastors etc is the key, not a focus on how much some might earn. It's God that knows the heart of a man and their day (and ours) will eventually reveal all - and that is the way God has set it out to be... not questioning Pastors because they might happen to earn more than us. There is no law on how much any man can earn. There are flakey rich Pastors and there are flakey poor pastors. The money is irrelevant.
daggyz1959 1 year ago
This video is about the freedom of giving liberally by the Spirit. What most do is use it to not tithe but how 'liberal' are they in their giving. Do you think the Spirit whispers "just give $3 today" or does he go "Do you trust in God or not?" I know what a lot of non tithers think - the $3 option.
So who gives liberally who doesn't tithe because I will applaud you. So is anyone out there do that?... (give so much they don't need tithing as a minimum?)
daggyz1959 1 year ago
@daggyz1959 There's no scriptural basis for anything that you're saying. The scriptures don't teach that tithing should be our minimum.
RJ352 1 year ago
@daggyz1959 I'll I know is you're doing a tremendous amount of preaching to people on here but you aren't providing ANY scriptural grounds for what you're saying about tithing.
RJ352 1 year ago
@RJ352
Because I didn't want to get into the scripture trap like religious people do. Pharisees loved to quote scripture....
But you start - where does it specifically say not to? Didn't Jesus take things like adultery and then tighten the conditions further to even thouhts of lust! Everyhthing Jesus did added to what was already there unless he specifically said otherwise.
daggyz1959 1 year ago
@daggyz1959 There's no trap for you to get into. You just simply don't have any NT scripture to validate what you're saying. Jesus quoted scripture several times in scripture, especially when the devil was tempting Him and trying to trap him. Provide scripture to validate the authority that you present your case for Christians to tithe.
By the way, I noticed that you didn't respond to the Psalms 50 scripture that I provided you in reference using instruments for praise and worship.
RJ352 1 year ago
Is there one out there who does not tithe who can actaully say they give more than 10% of their income directly into the church they support ( I'm hoping thye undertsand that support is money because turning up doesn't pay the bills).
Some churches have awesome Pastors, the members turn up and get awesome teaching and guidance and prayer and support and they pop $5 into the plate some weeks. My God, what is that other than a screwed up freeloader.
daggyz1959 1 year ago
@daggyz1959 Show me a scripture that says that supports this.
RJ352 1 year ago
Jesus was a Jew born under the law so that he alone could fulfill the law for us
If we have to keep the law we would be keeping the Sabbath starts Frid night till Sat. night. All male babies would be circumicised on their 8th day, no pork eating and we would be stoning people to death for adultery.All 613 laws had to be kept, not just the tithe law. Jesus was speaking to Jew under the law in Matt. 23:23
Learn what Grace and Paid in full means.!
Galatians 5:4"
NotFlaking 1 year ago
Too many churches are old school. The old testament has nothing to do with the spirit. The curses of the old testament stand. (People still die because of adam, killers have to be fugatives because of cain, backsliders are affraid of every leave that falls from a tree.) But a person doesnt need to be rich to be saved. I can give god ten percent, if that other 90 percent is spent on hookers and drugs, then the problem of money managment wont be healed from giving ten percent.
MegaJesusfreak2011 1 year ago
pastor Thomas hits it right on target. the law was nailed to the cross.
lunabranwen 1 year ago
Love it and continue with the truth.
jaxnar 1 year ago
Non Tithers one and only excuse is that tithing is not mentioned in the New Testament. Neither is celebrating the birth of Christ or using instruments for praise, worship or in church at all. You religious ones that don’t tithe, didn’t celebrate Christmas, play instruments, or go to a church that uses instruments, I applaud you, for your level of faith is real and you are not being a hypocrite. To those were this is not the case you are sad individuals who condemn yourselves by your own words.
daggyz1959 1 year ago
@daggyz1959 It's not an excuse. It's called acurately understanding and refusing to be manipulated anymore by pastors who teach on this subject in error. The difference with Christmas is that we have the freedom in Christ to celebrate His birth if we choose to. Nobody goes around preaching Christmas like they do the tithe because they can't make any money off of that. We're not down for bondage to falsehoods. If you want to tithe then go ahead and do so.
RJ352 1 year ago
@RJ352
Spoken like someone who ignores scripture when it suits them. You focus more on the pastor than the giving which is all about heart. Typical response. And you still use music in church even though the NT doesn't mention it? Of course you do.
Your heart cna't tell you because it's just disobedient. It's that simple.
daggyz1959 1 year ago
@daggyz1959 Okay. Can you share any New Testament scriptures to help show me what scripture that I'm ignoring concerning tithing or any of the things that you've mentioned? If you can I will be the first to admit that I'm wrong. However, I'm confident that you won't because no such scripture exists concerning New Testament believers. Also, I'm sorry but your arguement about music in church doesn't make any sense.
RJ352 1 year ago
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@daggyz1959 Okay. Can you share any New Testament scriptures to help show me what scripture that I'm ignoring concerning tithing or any of the things that you've mentioned? If you can I will be the first to admit that I'm wrong. However, I'm confident that you won't because no such scripture exists concerning New Testament believers. Also, I'm sorry but your arguement about music in church doesn't make any sense.
RJ352 1 year ago
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daggyz1959 1 year ago
I’ve earned way more than most do some years and I’ve earned less than those on the dole other years and still paid over 10%, and I’ve had plenty to live on I’ve always had transport. Now we’ve three vehicles. I have been given shares, bargains come my way, things happen that work out better than they first looked. God always provides. Tithing, offering and giving is a blessing and I have no fear of anything as God has to act on my faith ... and he does. That’s what he looks for...your heart!
daggyz1959 1 year ago
@daggyz1959 Since you are so educated on the subject of tithing can you provide a scripture that shows someone tithing money specifically in the NT?
RJ352 1 year ago
Matt 23:23. Saying that only applied to the Pharisees he was addressing and not us is like saying its ok to ignore the commandments because he was answering the rich young man (Matt 19:16-21) and not us. It is all about the heart and this young man wanted to keep it all for himself even though the reward was greater. Stupid young man! In fact Jesus said if you want to be perfect go and sell everything and give it away. Man I’m so far short of perfect but at least I honour God with my substance.
daggyz1959 1 year ago
@daggyz1959 okay so if we're supposed to obey the commandment that Jesus gave the rich young man have you sold all of your possessions or do you still have some?
RJ352 1 year ago
Saying tithing does not apply because it’s not mentioned in the NT forget it doesn’t say not to. However the NT does say to give to the needy so if we don’t we are in error. Therefore there are many needy around you. By that definition if you are not always giving to them you are in error as the NT specifically states it. Jesus says unless “your righteousness surpasses the Pharisees your a goner” and they tithed!
daggyz1959 1 year ago
@daggyz1959 Is Jesus your example? Explain a time in scripture where He tithed. Explain a time in scripture where any beliver (after the cross) was instructed to tithe.
RJ352 1 year ago
@RJ352
Explain where we are allowed to use instruments in praise and worship? Legalism is where you're going with this... but tithes are of the heart, you need a good heart to tithe and go beyond, and going beyond is the goal. Pastors can abuse tithes but God says they are his problem. The 'giving' is our problem, not what happens to it afterward (laying proceeds from sales at Apostles feet means the giving of it over with no strings). Not giving because what might happen is a heart problem.
daggyz1959 1 year ago
@daggyz1959 - Psalm 150 Praise the LORD! Praise God in His sanctuary; Praise Him in His mighty expanse. Praise Him for His mighty deeds; Praise Him according to His excellent greatness. Praise Him with trumpet sound; Praise Him with harp and lyre. Praise Him with timbrel and dancing; Praise Him with stringed instruments and pipe. Praise Him with loud cymbals; Praise Him with resounding cymbals. Let everything that has breath praise the LORD. Praise the LORD!
RJ352 1 year ago
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RJ352 1 year ago
If you don't believe in tribute to God, don't pay anything and continue to put your $2 in the plate each week in recognition of the actual value of the word you receive!
I give because my heart leads me to an because I receive what they receive and it helps me grow. I pay for what I receive. I gave even when old pastors brought useless words as my heart led me to give tribute back to God.
But it's ok. Spend the money on your new TV instead, I'm sure it'll count in heaven.
daggyz1959 1 year ago
@daggyz1959 tithing doesn't ensure salvation. Stop twisting biblical facts. People like you are no different from the Pharisees
jopaddy81 1 year ago
@daggyz1959 Jesus never taugh any of this giving money because you recieved a word or paying someone to preach to you. Give some bible that clearly supports what you're saying.
RJ352 1 year ago
I hear a lot saying tithes shouldn't be paid because it's not specifically mentioned in the NT. Are these the same people who celebrate Christmas of which the NT says nothing & is actually based on a pagan ritual?
I have yet to find an antitither actually prove they give more than 10% (it's a heart thing after all), so are cheap toward God and the ministry. Thieves & cheapskates who go to church and take all thats there and it costs them 'nothing'. Now THAT is something the Bible speaks about!
daggyz1959 1 year ago
@daggyz1959 its not an obligation for a christian. That is the point we are making. A good christina is not obliged to tithe. That is the point. You are only perverting the facts
jopaddy81 1 year ago
@daggyz1959 where does the bible speak about going to church and it not costing someone anything? Gotta scripture to support what you're saying???
RJ352 1 year ago
although this is the truth (I love it!) the bills of the church still must be paid. My church teach this also but its hard to get money from the people now for bills and church finaces. Yes were not under the law but if ur rightious you would still give an offering simular or larger than a tithe to help the ministry go on. I guess the 5 dislikes are pastors that beat thier people ovr the head with the "curse with a curse" gospel lol. AWESOME VIDEO
rickunc 1 year ago
@rickunc does it make it right to dupe people to make money because you need it? Do you think we need to fabricate stuff to help God build his work? God will sustain his church whether you give or not. Antonio is right
jopaddy81 1 year ago
This is deep! I can't even put into words. Making it compulsory to give does nothing to change the condition of a man's heart which to me, the preacher is never able to teach what is necessary for a "christian" to receive salvation, and that is faith. You're not allowing the christian to mature spiritually by keeping them in bondage of threats. Thereby, your ministry is in vain and is nothing more than a counterfeit OT jewish priesthood whereas in they don't even accept the tithe anymore
FitnessMinded 1 year ago
@FitnessMinded
That is true and also applies to say - love (we are 'commanded' to love which makes it compulsory)... need I go on?
Tithes are there because mans heart is such that he is too greedy. My case in point, how much do you give? Does it hurt?, or is it the dregs after you've bought all the things 'you' want? I have never found a nontither 'give whats in your heart' giver, give more than a tither and a tithe is such a SMALL portion to give I can't see why people have a issue with it!
daggyz1959 1 year ago
man!!!! this guy is good...i like the end when he talking he had music in the back round, you can really feel what he's saying.
newwineglory 1 year ago
This is stunning; I've been studying this and this brother is telling the full truth!
ericjaynelson 1 year ago
@ericjaynelson
Studying. Since when did God deal with the head over faith? Religion allows you bu giving is always a matter of the heart and not who it goes to. Those that don't give have a heart problem and it's everywhere in the Bible form the OT to the old widow and her mite to those who laid large sums at the fett of their leaders.
Tithes show the heart condition like very little else does.
daggyz1959 1 year ago
@daggyz1959 : I agree! Giving is indeed a condition of the heart but we have been mentally sci-opted to refer to giving only in terms of money. When a person goes to a nursing home to visit the sick & the shut in that's a wonderful form of giving. Biblically tithing never had anything to do with money. God instructed them to give agriculture & livestock. Jesus personally never taught tithing & neither did the Apostles. The idea of using money to tithe occurred in the 4th & 5th centuries A.D.
ericjaynelson 1 year ago
Respond to this video:When we place ourselves under yokes that God never instituted we are discrediting the Blood of our risen Savior. We no longer need food & drink tithes because under the New Testament covenant Jesus is now yoked in with us. One of the lies that perpetuates money tithing is that they did not use money back then. In truth they had very advanced monetary systems. In one parable Jesus even talks about drawing interest from money placed in the bank.
ericjaynelson 1 year ago
Respond to this video: I did my own research on money they used in Bible times in both the old & new testaments. Everything seemed to be backed by gold & silver & they did major commerce between various nations yet they still many forms of money, such as: shekels, talents, mina, argurion, tetradrachma. denarii, drachma, assarius, dilepton, lepton, quadrans, daric, keceph, qesitahs, chalkos, kenos, didrachmon, gold, silver, aghorah etc......
ericjaynelson 1 year ago
@daggyz1959 Where does the bible actually say that tithes show the heart like very little else does?
RJ352 1 year ago
@RJ352
Oh you are kidding right. Please let me know if your not a Christian and have trouble reading because if your a Christian and don't know them or even how to look them up you need serious councel. Tithing is only a part of giving, a small part but we'll give a hint with "where your treasure is" and see if you can go from there as it refers to us as individuals.
daggyz1959 1 year ago