livemusic, you're overthinking the music. Shut up about all that religious imagery and being "troubled" by an artist's album cover,you sound like a total pussy. Just listen to the songs and enjoy them, don't criticize an artist over something as simple as an album cover, jeez.
"Occult angels peace equality occult robble robble robble" <--That's what you sound like, livemusic
Sorry, this is a pure "part 2" of my rant, haha :-S Yeh I was just saying, Tillman is obviously aware of all the religious imagery in his music, but I don't think that's a reason to be sceptical about it. I mean it's either religious and totally non-preachy, or in fact non-religious. Either way, I doubt Tillman intended any message to be read or believed from it, I think that'd be too much like the religions that he - in my opinion - is against. So put up more vids of him playing, haha :-D
Chuck- Thanks for reading "more info" and providing feedback! Hoping to see more opinions on the matter. You referenced "Master's House" as an example of a stance against religion (I'm not religious). But I have not ruled out the possibility that "Master" is a Masonic allusion to the antichrist. Not enough space here to go into that or the blatant imagery on the covers, which includes a pentagram, crossbones, sun worship, etc. "We have seen the star in the East and are come to worship him." hmmm
I thought that Master's House was a kind of attack on the irony of all religions, using kindof Christian or Islamic imagery, but really about the nature of religion itself.
"every reason he gives you to fall at his feet and be saved,
are for was that your grandfather waged."
So it's maybe about how all religion takes the guilt of one generation, and pastes it onto the next. Maybe the use of occult imagery on the cover is just to highlight that all religions are as dark as that particular one.
Chuck- I agree that it was an attack on religions or at least how they've been adapted. But I believe that while tearing down aspects of modern religions, he is propping up worship of his "Master." The continued theme of "you won't need" this or that to be a part of his religion could be based on the dictum presented by Aleister Crowley, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." Tillman might very well be saying you can do as you please when you follow Lucifer. "You won't need a guide."
I meant "wars" btw, not "was" in the quote. But yeh I thought that the Master figure was just a reference to control, or guilt, or the father figure that all religions impose on their followers, regardless of actual cause for respect towards such a figure. It's like the illusion of a leader, or a false idol,
@chuck1990bb a couple years ago at massey hall a fan yelled "jesus on drums" ad Tillman responded with something funny regarding Christian faith, wish i could remember what it was. But it's obvious that he is quite knowledgeable about Christianity, so I'm assuming he went to a Catholic high school or something along those lines. Otherwise I agree.
Thanks to livemusic for posting this :-) I hope whoever livemusic is reads the comments 'cause I wanna say... I read the wee description, about occult imagery in the album covers. I do get that, but seriously, from what i can tell, Tillman is actually not a religious person. Certainly, the music and lyrics has a lot of religious imagery in it, and deals with faith a lot, but I always read it as being quite scathing of organized religion. Getting this mainly from songs like Master's House...
livemusic, you're overthinking the music. Shut up about all that religious imagery and being "troubled" by an artist's album cover,you sound like a total pussy. Just listen to the songs and enjoy them, don't criticize an artist over something as simple as an album cover, jeez.
"Occult angels peace equality occult robble robble robble" <--That's what you sound like, livemusic
Qber4life 1 year ago
This is a great video.
naturessun 1 year ago
Sorry, this is a pure "part 2" of my rant, haha :-S Yeh I was just saying, Tillman is obviously aware of all the religious imagery in his music, but I don't think that's a reason to be sceptical about it. I mean it's either religious and totally non-preachy, or in fact non-religious. Either way, I doubt Tillman intended any message to be read or believed from it, I think that'd be too much like the religions that he - in my opinion - is against. So put up more vids of him playing, haha :-D
chuck1990bb 2 years ago
Chuck- Thanks for reading "more info" and providing feedback! Hoping to see more opinions on the matter. You referenced "Master's House" as an example of a stance against religion (I'm not religious). But I have not ruled out the possibility that "Master" is a Masonic allusion to the antichrist. Not enough space here to go into that or the blatant imagery on the covers, which includes a pentagram, crossbones, sun worship, etc. "We have seen the star in the East and are come to worship him." hmmm
livemusic 2 years ago
I thought that Master's House was a kind of attack on the irony of all religions, using kindof Christian or Islamic imagery, but really about the nature of religion itself.
"every reason he gives you to fall at his feet and be saved,
are for was that your grandfather waged."
So it's maybe about how all religion takes the guilt of one generation, and pastes it onto the next. Maybe the use of occult imagery on the cover is just to highlight that all religions are as dark as that particular one.
chuck1990bb 2 years ago
Chuck- I agree that it was an attack on religions or at least how they've been adapted. But I believe that while tearing down aspects of modern religions, he is propping up worship of his "Master." The continued theme of "you won't need" this or that to be a part of his religion could be based on the dictum presented by Aleister Crowley, "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." Tillman might very well be saying you can do as you please when you follow Lucifer. "You won't need a guide."
livemusic 2 years ago
I meant "wars" btw, not "was" in the quote. But yeh I thought that the Master figure was just a reference to control, or guilt, or the father figure that all religions impose on their followers, regardless of actual cause for respect towards such a figure. It's like the illusion of a leader, or a false idol,
chuck1990bb 2 years ago
@chuck1990bb a couple years ago at massey hall a fan yelled "jesus on drums" ad Tillman responded with something funny regarding Christian faith, wish i could remember what it was. But it's obvious that he is quite knowledgeable about Christianity, so I'm assuming he went to a Catholic high school or something along those lines. Otherwise I agree.
AnOldFellowship 2 months ago
Thanks to livemusic for posting this :-) I hope whoever livemusic is reads the comments 'cause I wanna say... I read the wee description, about occult imagery in the album covers. I do get that, but seriously, from what i can tell, Tillman is actually not a religious person. Certainly, the music and lyrics has a lot of religious imagery in it, and deals with faith a lot, but I always read it as being quite scathing of organized religion. Getting this mainly from songs like Master's House...
chuck1990bb 2 years ago
cool
xxSerpenttinexx 2 years ago