There's that famous video where Saddam Hussein gave a nod during a conference of Iraqui tribal leaders. Just after that conference a few of Saddam's critics were shot outside the conference hall. That's all it takes sometimes for a cult leader to order the death of others.
Brigham Young, Blood Atonement Sermon: Journal of Discourses Vol. 3, p. 243-249 "Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and put a javelin through both of them, you would be justified, and they would atone for their sins, and be received into the kingdom of God. I would at once do so in such a case; and under such circumstances, I have no wife whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her heart, and I would do it with clean hands".
Don was certainly not the right man to fight you on this. There is tons of evidence that the Book of Mormon is true. Native Americans tell stories of a Great White God that came and visited them and the Book of Mormon documents Christ's visit to the Americas. Plus you asked for documentation on any of the 3 books? Well how about the Doctrine and Covenants. Any city in there you can find. Palmyra, Nauvoo.. all modern cities.
@BaurakAle7 If he had the gift of prophecy, he should have seen it coming. I assert that he didn't have this gift, so he can't be held responsible.
Jesus had the gift.Why didnt he stop judas?For a very real reason.Young had the gift as god allowed.Simple.Yathinkprophets knew every future event day by day.Read yur bible.Some evn got it wrong.Didnt make them any less a prophet.Yu dont undrstand the role of prophets nowdoooya
@jferristube Ofcourse he knew what Juda was going to do, but you see, Jesus gave prophesy of judas kiss, Jesus let all that happen so that his word would be fullfield, 700 years before in the book of Isiah.
@Chinaculiacan Hey viper compose what you have done. I never called B**h to nobody as you claim in The Soulamore's channel. I am not a b**h that are licking the Book of Mormon. You need professional help inmediately because after this and no apologize you think you are a saint!
Brigham Young taught blood atonement. That is all documented. So his character was very bad. So, no need for proof that Brigham Young was the one that ordered all members what to do, including murdering people.
@jferristube i am not sure why you would ask me, but blood atonement is the shedding of blood of any individual that commits adultery,tries to leave the church, steal and more. The blood of the one who sinned has to be spilt because they believe Jesus's blood is not good enough.
If he could be transported back to the 1840s would Shawn have defended Joseph Smith the Prophet of the Restoration against mobs that came to drag him out of his house ?
"I have given you a few leading items upon this subject, but a great deal more remains to be told. Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost." (~Brigham Young~ Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 51)
Second best quote:
"We must believe in slavery."
(~Brigham Young~ as quoted by Quinn, Extensions of Power p 749)
Regards to Mormons and Muslim alike if the bible didn't exist you wouldn't have your doctrines today at all because there spin offs of the bible FYI so if any of you trash the bible just remember you wouldn't even have a belief rip off, if it wasn't for the bible period! Mormons/ muslims depend on the very foundation of theism which is the bible wether you like it or not so don't be stupid to bash it, it only discredits your own belief which is biblical borrowed material anyways.
1) In 1842 Rockwell was accused of the attempted assassination of Boggs, who survived the shot. 2) In November 1857 Rockwell was involved in an attack on a half-dozen Californians known as the Aiken party. Twenty years later, Rockwell would be indicted on two counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of John and William Aiken. 3) In January 1870 Eli N. Pace, a son-in-law of John D. Lee shot 3 Powell explorers, story found on the referenced UTLM site under the title '1869 Murder'.
The BoM DOES mention payable wage currency, but not as coins that are stamped and minted and not as measures as in weight. Alma Ch.11 talks about measures. This money is explained as a payable wage in 3 Nephi 12:26 and Alma 30:33.
SO... I just wanted to provide the text that the video didn't have to support that the BoM is false, which is one (of many) factor that leads to the LDS faith as false.
You can't fix stupid! It's a shame how so many people have been duped into thinking that this faith (Mormon) is Legitimate when it's nothing more than a total mind fuck!
@A1Goku . You can't fix stupid! It's a shame how so many people have been duped into thinking that this faith (Mormon) is Legitimate when it's nothing more than a total mind fuck!
Prove the Bible.ieTalking snakes.Raising the dead.Raising yurself from the dead.Dividing the red sea.Healing the blind by putn mud on their eyes.Where's the evidence the Bible is true?That ther was evn a man named Jesus who was the Son of God.Prove that to me,GIVE me the Evidence.# gods in One god in 3?thats a MF lol
Listening to your program as I post this. Damn, you're a really smart guy. I'm not religious and do not necessarily agree with what you believe nor do I disagree but I want to party with you. Dude, you are brutal. This caller is about to cry. He has no answers. Do you have any leagal qualifications? Really doesn't matter. You're good doing what you do but I think you missed your calling. Would you represent me if I ever get in trouble for anything? Peace out
“I testify that Jesus is the Christ, the Saviour and Redeemer of the world; I have obeyed His sayings, and realized His promise, and the knowledge I have of Him, the wisdom of this world cannot give, neither can it take away.”
@scottwins2 Satan could testity the same thing in a more elocuent style also if he wanted. How does this prove the many atrocities in doctrinal murder of inocent people in search for the truth about God in ur ¨Church Stablishment ¨ ? A truth accompanied by 2 lies does not make it true altogether. Wake up and run as fast as u can from the evil of the teaching of ur leaders. u have been warned u have a savior, it is He u only need not a quest for kingship or godship now that is foolishness. :)
At a 1 min 15 seconds Shawn says Brigham Young had people murdered!!! You refuse to give any FACTS. NO, Shawn you are playing the games. HERESAY, SHAWN, Caller did a great job!!! Shawn changes the subject since he could not answer the caller. Shawn won't except any documetation of caller. How about 8 witnesses to the Book of Mormon? there testimony still stands!!!
@scottwins2 the caller did a great job lmao are you just saying that because hes mormon the caller is stupid when the hell does any person who kill someone have documentation they never do they go by witnesses or by evidence the guy said ill have your throat cut espeacially back then they had people getting convicted just for here say.you should watch the 3rd video
@bobbyraejohnson I did watch the video, how can Shawn say Brigham Young murderd someone when there is no proof , no witnesses, no evidence, no NOTHING, in fact who was it that ever got murdered? you don't even have a name! Where is your brain? Please tell us what proof you have that Brigham Young murdered anyone and who it is, you won't because you can't. Shawn is a nitwit.
Joseph Smith said “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.” ... REALLY?
@54v115 Joseph Smith. Besides his assertion that the Book of Mormon was far superior to the Bible, he charged that the Bible had been changed by "Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests... " (History of the Church, vol. 6, page 57) This answers your question? :)
@Chinaculiacan - Hi.. Mormons believe the Bible is true insofar as it's been translated correctly. The Book of Mormon (BOM), a book translated using the IF and ONLY IF Rule, has been changed hundreds of times, as a point in fact.. . . So by their own rule, the Book of Mormon must be unreliable and untrustworthy. When you read the BOM, which part can you trust?
Watch on You tube: Craig Criddle on Who really wrote the BOM? Also.. go to UTLM dot Org for thought provoking information...
Mormons believe the Bible is true insofar as it's been translated correctly. The Book of Mormon has been changed hundreds of times, as a point in fact.. . . So even by their own rule, the Book of Mormon is unreliable.
Watch on You tube: Craig Criddle on Who really wrote the BOM? Also.. go to UTLM dot Org for real information...
Why are mormons okay with their false doctrines that are unsubstantiated? Absolutely no evidence can be found. I have seen videos of them trying to lay claim to great Mayan and other civilizations, but that is just more dishonesty from the mormons.
Read "The Life and Confessions of John D Lee." He was the man executed for the Mountain Meadows Massacre and in his journal, he says he thinks the event was set up by Brigham Young.
Brigham wasn't going to announce his true intentions. I believe only a select few loyal Mormons would have known that the order came from Young.
I believe the word "coin" has been removed in recent versions of the Book of Mormon because they hated being asked about the many coins in the book.
the first mistake this 50 year old faggot with bleached hair makes is comparing historical figures with modern standards. if we compared every religious figure to modern stanards, moses would be a wanted terrorist, saul....errrrr i mean paul would be on death row for murder, and martin luther would make hitler look like a pussycat compared to antisemitism............BY might look like a jerk compared to our standards, but every man is a product of his time.
Wow... this coming for an atheist... but go figure... most so called Christians dont know Christ from Lucifer.
Could not have said it better... The thing people love to forget is BY traditions were not from the LDS movement but were learned prior to his conversion from the main stream christian thought of the day...
Did anyone notice that this Mormon guy is trying to prove a book wrong (the bible), that mormons claim to believe? haha. It is such a wonder why we dont think they are christian.
You can read the words of OP Rockwell, Bill Hickman, JD Lee, Dimick Huntington, Gremmil (sp), all Mormons, all make statements claiming the particulars of some Briggy order for a murder. And rewarding some for their efforts. Hickman and I think, Rockwell say they never received a dime for their murders. They did as they were told and to receive their promise of a crown of glory for protecting and establishing the Mormon Zion
@lnesland The crazy things is that mormons still belive in the shit, even if you prove to them the whole thing is made up.
Prove the Bible.ie Talking snakes.Raising the dead.Raising yurself from the dead.Dividing the red sea.Healing the blind by telling them to put mud on their eyes.Someone bein super strong bcos he had Long hair.Where is ALL the evidence that the Bible is true.Where???lolThat ther was evn a man named Jesus who was the Son of God.Prove that to me,GIVE me the Evidence of such
"I'm not concerned about documentation about an item of faith"
"Would you like to document your Bible?...can you give me the same kind of proof?"
"there is, in my estimation, no need to prove a book of faith by physical means" That has got to be the most impressive feat of mental gymnastics I have EVER witnessed.
@wachnathan The bible has evidence in the middle east that can be found the book of mormon doesn't have any period.
And wher is the evidence that ther was evn a jesus Christ?That he Rose from the deadf.That he raised the dead.Wheres the evidence that he evn calmed the elemnts.Where?
wow!! hahaha this don guy is a great moron! want more proof that mr young order the killings?!! the bodies of men, women and kids were left there to rot for almost 2 years! was that BRING'EM YOUNG's way to send a message to anyone who didnt agree with him?
@mykylc -He needs to act Christian more is what he REALLY needs to do. roll eyes. That, and get a life away from the LDS faith, dude is OCD obsessessed!!
@wellsjdan He needs to act Christian more is what he REALLY needs to do. roll eyes. That, and get a life away from the LDS faith, dude is OCD obsessessed!!
hahahaha that s exactly what you are doing.,so funny
I think we may accept it as a rule that whenever a person's
religious conversation dwells chiefly, or even frequently,
on the faults of other people's religions, he is in a bad condition."
Excellent point, that's what these guys do here, they can't leave other religions aloine, which in and of it'self is not Christian, "Thou protest too much" also comes to mind, makes me know they have doubts still, to still be searching around at other religions. Terria, 71, pappy, all apply to that quot
@wellsjdan you know what?maybe you should just stop talking,all of your comments do not make sense,and you are contradicting yourself.Maybe you should call Shawn and talk to him.Because you are really acting like an idiot
all of your comments do not make sense,and you are contradicting yourself
What have I contradicted myself on? Roll eyes, I think your the only one confused and acting like an idiot, you and Shawn Mccrany have a strange obession with bashing others faith, and thinking it's christilke, then when people defend their faith, you call them names? roll eyes, you are far from a Christian, so lost.
@wellsjdan when people defend their faith, you call them names? roll eyes, you are far from a Christian, so lost. LOL roll eyes
thank you ...LDS are lost,you are trying to make fun but not contradicting,you are making fun and just showing that your heart didn't change...LOL roll eyes
from wellsdjan who emailed to me,wellsdjan the good work man.
You believe your good work God to love you more
Not true, your a good liar. Christ did say if ye love him keep his commandments, we do works because we love God, and Christ. We do good works because Christ said we should help one another, We do good works because Christ said we will be judged by our works here on earth.You all throw out these types of scriptures, they don't fit your cherry picking of a couple vs that speak
Which version of the Bible? Who's interpretation? The Catholics? The Baptists? The Methodists? The Jevohahs witness, the 7th Day Adventists? Who?
And I notice you continually ignore my scriptures I gave that give contradictions and errors, you still emailing your preacher on those? Why no answer?
Fact is, for God to be fair, he would have to have perfect directions for salvation, Your god does not, My God has directions that are perfect.
@wellsjdan i have the greek and the hebrew bible.And i would say that the king James version is the closest we get.But the greek and hebrews bible have many word that can't be described in english.For example the word love in greek has three meaning....Phileo love (friendship),eros love (sexual) and agape love (unconditional).
Ahhh, you said earlier the Bible was perfect, now your are changing your tune, You said earlier that once a man is saved, he can't fall, now you have changed your tune
As I have said many times over the years, trying to get doctrine from you all is like trying to nail jello to a wall, it keeps moving. LOL
Fact is, a God who would put someone in hell for misunderstanding a book you admit is not perfect, is not a perfect God, but a cruel God. That's your God.
@wellsjdan i guess now you don't believe in the bible anymore.Idiot the bible is the word of God ,and the purpose of the word is to show who the author is.So thru the bible we can have knowledge of God.Not like that fake book called the book of mormon
i guess now you don't believe in the bible anymore
Didn't say that, what I said is if it's not perfect, how can a loving god put someone in turtore for eternity when he gave us a book that is not absolutly perfect????
Fact is, a loving God doesn't do that, My God does not do that, yours does.
@wellsjdan God doesn't put someone in torture for eternity,people put themselves there.because the bible says that hell was made for the devil and his angel...not for people.But God said....who is not for me is against me
Actually not true in your belief system, a man who never hears of Christ, it is not his fault, he lived in Iran, or Iraq, or many areas where freedom of religion is not given to the people, and they never even have a chance to hear of Christ, it was not there fault, but by your Gods beliefs, they are to burn in hell and be tortured for eternity. False doctirne.
@wellsjdan trust the message,knowing that Jesus is God and his love is unconditional.Jw for example do not believe Jesus is God but an angel.Adventist has a good bible ,but are still under the law,and believe that works will lead you to the Father(like obeying the sabbath and all the rest).
Jesus came to free us from the wrath of God because we cannot abey His commandments perfectly
Again, you won't answer, who's version of the message? The Catholics? The Baptists, the 7th day adventists? The Jehovahs witness', the Born againers? I get different answers from all of you.
So again, I ask, which message do I trust, and why?
I believe that all Mormons need to ask their Church for full disclosure. In a free society no Religion should have secret rituals and ceremonies and places where the public is not allowed. The future of mankind will be saved when Mormonisn is destroyed.
2 hours ago I believe that all Mormons need to ask their Church for full disclosure. In a free society no Religion should have secret rituals and ceremonies and places where the public is not allowed. The future of mankind will be saved when Mormonisn is destroyed.
Such child like ignornance. If it wasn't so bigotted, it'd be funnny.
Wow, such language for a Christian, you sir, are another hypocrite that has been my experience you all are growing up in the Baptist faith I found many more like you, foul mouths, lie, cheat, steal. It's just what you all do, Oh, that and judge people. roll eyes.
@wellsjdan because is true. LDS , book of mormon is LIE .SATAN IS THE FATHER OF LIE. AND ALL YOUR PROPHETS ARE LIARS. YOU GUYS FOLLOW BLIND PROPHETS THAT WILL EVENTUALY LEAD MORMONS TO PERDITION. WAKE UP MORMONS. BRAIN WASHED. I was raise up in the church called COMMUNITY OF CHRIST former known as reorganized later days saints church ,that came from the LDS. THANK GOD FOR THE BIBLE WITHOUT IT I'LL BE BRAIN WASHED TOO. I have strong words for this LIARS YES.
Perdition? Where's that word in the Bible? That term is not biblical, nor is your beliefs, You catholic? That is a Catholic term, not Christian term. You follow a Pope? Where's that term in the Bible?
THANK GOD FOR THE BIBLE WITHOUT IT I'LL BE BRAIN WASHED TOO
Who's version of the Bible do you beieve in? That's the problem, there are many interpretations by man on what any given scripture means, so how do you know your version is right? Does your church follow the Bible? If so, you have 12 apostles as the bible says Christs church would have right? Prophets also? How about Teachers, Preists, Elders? Your church have all that? If not, your not following the Bible bro, sorry, your just not
@wellsjdan Does your church follow the Bible? If so, you have 12 apostles as the bible says Christs church would have right? It was established according to God direction, what joseph did was try to change the foundation. For some he did! We shall see how firm it is in that last day eh?Prophets also, What have your prophets prophacied, New and ever lasting covenant's? Polygamy(practised still today with the dead ) But denied in main stream media ? You make a big claim, that means squat !
@71gk - Now I'm confused 71gk, you say you don't believe in the Book of Mormon, but belong to the community of Christ church that is a break off of the LDS faith, and they DO believe in the Book of Mormon, LOL, your one confused puppy.
To top it off, you use words like Pergotory that Catholics use, so let's see, your supposedly Christian, Community of Christ, that believes the Book of Mormon, but you don't, but you use Catholic doctrine? LOL< Wow, talk about confused. roll eyes.
@wellsjdan PERGOTORY? WHERE DID YOU FIND THAT SO CALL COMING FROM ME? SHOW ME IN MY COMMENT WHERE I USED THAT WORD. I NEVER BELIEVE IN THAT STUPID BOOK OF MORMON THANKS TO THE BIBLE. NOW YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS CONFUSED. IDIOT LOL
@teriiura - so that's all you got left? No response to the biblical contradictions? No response to the scriptures that say baptism in necessary, no response to when a person needs to be saved by? Ok, just so I know you got nothin left. roll eyes.
@teriiura -Ok skippy, if you say so, no answer to the tough questions, run, run, run, like a coward. I find this over and over with you bible thumping nut jobs. Good day sir, good luck with a belief in a God who puts children or even young adults in hell, puts people who lived good lives in hell, who gave us a flawed book and in your beliefs puts us in HELL to be tortured for eternity if we can't figure it out. good luck with that hateful god, I would NEVER believe in that God. roll eyes.
@wellsjdan God hates evil,and we are children of wrath by nature,but thru Jesus we are adopted.And you believe that your work will save you?your heat first is not pure....so you want to how your work to God?Are you insane?
@wellsjdan the bible says that we were children of wrath....and thru Jesus we are adopted children.So who ever you are,if you don't have faith in Jesus who is the only way to God,even with his good work ,won't go to the Father.Read your bible sometimes,before you tell me about this
I agree the only way to'god is through christ, but what you don't take into account is there are people all over the world who have never even seen a bible, some never heard of 'Christ, we just had a missionary in my congregation come back from angola who mentioned this concept Many had never heard of christ, they are poor people, dont have acces to radio, books, they survive as they can, You all would throw them in hell. Disgusting God u have.
it says,stay in my love...it doesn't say ,come to my love
Actually what it says it you will "abide" in his love, which "abide" means "stay or continue" in his love, So if we don't keep the commandments, we don't "stay or continue" in his love.
thank you for approving my comment.that means you were in God's love already
Yes,, I believe I am in Gods love, I don't believe people like Shawn Mccrany and his sheep followers are, you and Pappy are obsessed bigots of the LDS faith, you need medical help for this obesssion, as does Mr. Mccrany,. Your all not Christian people.
,if you don't have faith in Jesus who is the only way to God,even with his good work ,won't go to the Father.
Very judgemental of you, which is typical, as people who are doing Christ like works, are doing so to do as Christ asked us to do, but only to nutty Bible thumpers is doing what Christ told us to do, take care of others, the poor, the widows, the downtrodden, only to you all is that a bad thing. "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil" (Isiah 5:20) Speaking to you and Pappy
@wellsjdan well at least i don't pretend to be a good man like you.I say clearly...i am not good,but thru Jesus,i am more and more trying to be like Christ,still knowing my imperfection
@wellsjdan Romans 3:23 says everybody has sinned,and you want to show your Work to God?You have just rejected Jesus right there ,because you have faith in your work...not Jesus.Thats why you are an idiot.
Romans 3:23 says everybody has sinned,and you want to show your Work to God
Well of course I want to show my works to God, that's what he asked us to do, "love thy neighbor, help the poor, heal the sick, keep Gods commandments, If you love me keep my commandments, get baptized, why wouldn't I want to do what God asks?
You all are so evil you think people doing Gods work is evil. roll eyes.
The scripture there will be those who call good evil and evil good, is you all.
It's good for what Christ taught us, this you can't deny, he taught to take care of the poor, the hungry, the widows, the downtrodden, all takes works of men, Chrisitans, real Christians, not fake ones who mock people who do good works for God as you and gramps do.
You also don't take into account those who haven't had a chance to be baptized, as the Bible is clear this is a necessity, You also don't take into account a Bible that is flawed in errors and contradictions galore. A God who would throw people in hell with a flawed book is a God that is unfair, and not loving. Sorry, your Interpretation of Gods plan for us on earth is just imcomplete, Heck, you don't even understand why were here on earth. Tell me your interpretation of why were here.
@wellsjdan i am baptized,my action shows that i love God ,the reason why i do my best to obey God.
You believe your good work will help God to love you more.Therefore you think God's love is conditonal.We don't have the same God.My God is with unconditonal love
That's good, but the problem is many Christians don't believe it is necessary, the Bible clearly teaches it is one of the steps to salvation (Mark 16:16, John 3:5)
Also mainstream Christianity has lost the concept of having a plan of salvation for all, those who live in areas where Christ has never been taught, areas where people don't have access to the Bible or radio, TV, Your faith wil just put them in hell and forget about them.
@wellsjdan there is one step to salvation,faith in Jesus..then you start to produce the fruit of the spirit.Ok when Jesus said,i am the truth ,the way and the light...noone comes to the father but thru me....was He lying?for these people there is an explaination.
what about like you say those who are in a desert and find Jesus?hahahaah no water
What about those in areas where they have never read a Bible, no access to a Bible, My friend just got back from Angola, this is the case there. What happens to them? You won't answer, because you know your God would throw them in hell, disgusting God you believe in.
Ok when Jesus said,i am the truth ,the way and the light...noone comes to the father but thru me....was He lying?
Of course he wasn't lieing, and we believe that as LDS faith, that's why we baptize in his name, do everything in his name, But you forget, just because we say words, does not make us saved, we also must do other things Christ said to do, Endure to the end, Keep the commandments, Be baptized, all biblical, all things you ignore.
@wellsjdan i didn't say just to say the word,but to believe and truly say.When you have faith in Jesus it is like you profess to make Jesus the Lord of your life.(Not jo smith your prophet)
I have one friend from High School who was "saved" (Born againer) who for 15 years was Christian, but he just married a Jewish women and converted to that faith, now he says he doesn't believe in Christ anymore, so don't try to tell me one can't fall from grace, it's not biblical.
@wellsjdan so mr good work...if Jo smith was still alive and asked your wife to be his wife...would you let him?know that your prophet took married woman as wife
Not true, your a good liar. Christ did say if ye love him keep his commandments, we do works because we love God, and Christ. We do good works because Christ said we should help one another, We do good works because Christ said we will be judged by our works here on earth.
You all throw out these types of scriptures, they don't fit your cherry picking of a couple vs that speak about belief being a step to salvation, forgeting others.
@wellsjdan Good luck with your work then,make sure you don't make fun with people in your heart,you don't lust in your heart,you don't hate your neighbor in your heart....good luck with that ,and Ask Jo smith to help you,
Good luck with your work then,make sure you don't make fun with people in your heart
You should tell your buddy Shawn Mccrany that, that's what he does for a living, he, just like you, are obsessed with Mormonism for some reason, why is that?
There's that famous video where Saddam Hussein gave a nod during a conference of Iraqui tribal leaders. Just after that conference a few of Saddam's critics were shot outside the conference hall. That's all it takes sometimes for a cult leader to order the death of others.
ADayWithoutYesterday 2 weeks ago
Brigham Young, Blood Atonement Sermon: Journal of Discourses Vol. 3, p. 243-249 "Suppose you found your brother in bed with your wife, and put a javelin through both of them, you would be justified, and they would atone for their sins, and be received into the kingdom of God. I would at once do so in such a case; and under such circumstances, I have no wife whom I love so well that I would not put a javelin through her heart, and I would do it with clean hands".
TheSoulamore 3 months ago
I read the book of mormon alittle. Seems like a harsh rascist wrote it. Which would make sense in the mid 1800's
theguest00 4 months ago
Mormonism is fake.....end of story!
theguest00 4 months ago
Would you documented if you murder somebody? Well dooooooone Shawn, he could say or find something to say after that! well done indeed.
Chinaculiacan 4 months ago
Don was certainly not the right man to fight you on this. There is tons of evidence that the Book of Mormon is true. Native Americans tell stories of a Great White God that came and visited them and the Book of Mormon documents Christ's visit to the Americas. Plus you asked for documentation on any of the 3 books? Well how about the Doctrine and Covenants. Any city in there you can find. Palmyra, Nauvoo.. all modern cities.
snowmandemolisher 5 months ago
@BaurakAle7 If he had the gift of prophecy, he should have seen it coming. I assert that he didn't have this gift, so he can't be held responsible.
Jesus had the gift.Why didnt he stop judas?For a very real reason.Young had the gift as god allowed.Simple.Yathinkprophets knew every future event day by day.Read yur bible.Some evn got it wrong.Didnt make them any less a prophet.Yu dont undrstand the role of prophets nowdoooya
jferristube 5 months ago
@jferristube Ofcourse he knew what Juda was going to do, but you see, Jesus gave prophesy of judas kiss, Jesus let all that happen so that his word would be fullfield, 700 years before in the book of Isiah.
Chinaculiacan 4 months ago
@Chinaculiacan Hey viper compose what you have done. I never called B**h to nobody as you claim in The Soulamore's channel. I am not a b**h that are licking the Book of Mormon. You need professional help inmediately because after this and no apologize you think you are a saint!
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jferristube 5 months ago
Brigham Young taught blood atonement. That is all documented. So his character was very bad. So, no need for proof that Brigham Young was the one that ordered all members what to do, including murdering people.
TheSoulamore 5 months ago
@TheSoulamore and what is blood atonemnt?
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@jferristube i am not sure why you would ask me, but blood atonement is the shedding of blood of any individual that commits adultery,tries to leave the church, steal and more. The blood of the one who sinned has to be spilt because they believe Jesus's blood is not good enough.
TheSoulamore 5 months ago
I love watching Shawn!!!! He knows his stuff
tattoodfreeek 5 months ago
If he could be transported back to the 1840s would Shawn have defended Joseph Smith the Prophet of the Restoration against mobs that came to drag him out of his house ?
mollymu1 6 months ago
Wow he is good. Not the Mormon.
snappy5 6 months ago
Shawn, you have no proof Brigham Young had someone murdered.
scottwins2 6 months ago
Best Brigham Young quote in existence.
Pure and perfect blasphemy.
"I have given you a few leading items upon this subject, but a great deal more remains to be told. Now, remember from this time forth, and for ever, that Jesus Christ was not begotten by the Holy Ghost." (~Brigham Young~ Journal of Discourses, vol. 1, p. 51)
Second best quote:
"We must believe in slavery."
(~Brigham Young~ as quoted by Quinn, Extensions of Power p 749)
The man was a demonic megalomaniac.
An 1800's Manson.
hammerogod 7 months ago
Here is full documentation of Brigham Young's atrocities:
''Blood of the Prophets: Brigham Young and the Massacre at Mountain Meadows'' ~ Will Bagley~ (University of Oklahoma Press)
The evidence is unambiguous, detailed and utterly convincing.
Also: ''American Massacre: The Tragedy at Mountain Meadows''
~Sally Denton~ (Knopf Press)
There is no doubt that Brigham Young ordered the murders of at least 120 men, women and children.
I beg all Mormons to read at least 1 of these books.
hammerogod 7 months ago
Regards to Mormons and Muslim alike if the bible didn't exist you wouldn't have your doctrines today at all because there spin offs of the bible FYI so if any of you trash the bible just remember you wouldn't even have a belief rip off, if it wasn't for the bible period! Mormons/ muslims depend on the very foundation of theism which is the bible wether you like it or not so don't be stupid to bash it, it only discredits your own belief which is biblical borrowed material anyways.
wachnathan 7 months ago 3
1) In 1842 Rockwell was accused of the attempted assassination of Boggs, who survived the shot. 2) In November 1857 Rockwell was involved in an attack on a half-dozen Californians known as the Aiken party. Twenty years later, Rockwell would be indicted on two counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of John and William Aiken. 3) In January 1870 Eli N. Pace, a son-in-law of John D. Lee shot 3 Powell explorers, story found on the referenced UTLM site under the title '1869 Murder'.
brewskate13 7 months ago 2
The BoM DOES mention payable wage currency, but not as coins that are stamped and minted and not as measures as in weight. Alma Ch.11 talks about measures. This money is explained as a payable wage in 3 Nephi 12:26 and Alma 30:33.
SO... I just wanted to provide the text that the video didn't have to support that the BoM is false, which is one (of many) factor that leads to the LDS faith as false.
brewskate13 7 months ago 2
You can't fix stupid! It's a shame how so many people have been duped into thinking that this faith (Mormon) is Legitimate when it's nothing more than a total mind fuck!
A1Goku 7 months ago
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jferristube 5 months ago
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@A1Goku . You can't fix stupid! It's a shame how so many people have been duped into thinking that this faith (Mormon) is Legitimate when it's nothing more than a total mind fuck!
Prove the Bible.ieTalking snakes.Raising the dead.Raising yurself from the dead.Dividing the red sea.Healing the blind by putn mud on their eyes.Where's the evidence the Bible is true?That ther was evn a man named Jesus who was the Son of God.Prove that to me,GIVE me the Evidence.# gods in One god in 3?thats a MF lol
jferristube 5 months ago
Sammy Hagar
sirnathan 8 months ago
Listening to your program as I post this. Damn, you're a really smart guy. I'm not religious and do not necessarily agree with what you believe nor do I disagree but I want to party with you. Dude, you are brutal. This caller is about to cry. He has no answers. Do you have any leagal qualifications? Really doesn't matter. You're good doing what you do but I think you missed your calling. Would you represent me if I ever get in trouble for anything? Peace out
raceystacey32566 8 months ago
@raceystacey32566 lol
7wiiskate 7 months ago
Since when has there ever been documentation on someone saying I killed this person never
bobbyraejohnson 8 months ago
“I testify that Jesus is the Christ, the Saviour and Redeemer of the world; I have obeyed His sayings, and realized His promise, and the knowledge I have of Him, the wisdom of this world cannot give, neither can it take away.”
Brigham Young
scottwins2 8 months ago
@scottwins2 Satan could testity the same thing in a more elocuent style also if he wanted. How does this prove the many atrocities in doctrinal murder of inocent people in search for the truth about God in ur ¨Church Stablishment ¨ ? A truth accompanied by 2 lies does not make it true altogether. Wake up and run as fast as u can from the evil of the teaching of ur leaders. u have been warned u have a savior, it is He u only need not a quest for kingship or godship now that is foolishness. :)
7wiiskate 6 months ago
Manson didn't kill anyone either!
maitreyaisthebeast 8 months ago
At a 1 min 15 seconds Shawn says Brigham Young had people murdered!!! You refuse to give any FACTS. NO, Shawn you are playing the games. HERESAY, SHAWN, Caller did a great job!!! Shawn changes the subject since he could not answer the caller. Shawn won't except any documetation of caller. How about 8 witnesses to the Book of Mormon? there testimony still stands!!!
scottwins2 8 months ago
@scottwins2 the caller did a great job lmao are you just saying that because hes mormon the caller is stupid when the hell does any person who kill someone have documentation they never do they go by witnesses or by evidence the guy said ill have your throat cut espeacially back then they had people getting convicted just for here say.you should watch the 3rd video
bobbyraejohnson 8 months ago
@bobbyraejohnson I did watch the video, how can Shawn say Brigham Young murderd someone when there is no proof , no witnesses, no evidence, no NOTHING, in fact who was it that ever got murdered? you don't even have a name! Where is your brain? Please tell us what proof you have that Brigham Young murdered anyone and who it is, you won't because you can't. Shawn is a nitwit.
scottwins2 8 months ago
great ending to the video haha
livasdad 8 months ago
IS THIS CHRISTIAN?
God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens. That is the great secret.
(LDS) Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 6, p. 3, 1844.
The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man's; the Son also...
(LDS) Joseph Smith, Doctrine and Covenants, Vol. 130, p. 22, 1843.
54v115 8 months ago
Mormon teaching progressed as follows:
One God (monotheism) in Joseph Smith's first version of his "First Vision" in 1820. (1832)
Two separate gods (polytheism) in Joseph Smith's second version of his "First Vision" in 1820). (1838)
One God (monotheism) that is modalistic with three manifestations or functions in The Book of Mormon (1830).
Three gods (polytheism) when Joseph Smith declared the Father, Son and Holy Ghost to be three separate gods in 1844.
54v115 8 months ago
@satv365 - Hell.. you can even get a package deal to tour....lol...
54v115 8 months ago
Joseph Smith said “I told the brethren that the Book of Mormon was the most correct of any book on earth, and the keystone of our religion, and a man would get nearer to God by abiding by its precepts, than by any other book.” ... REALLY?
54v115 9 months ago
@54v115 Joseph Smith. Besides his assertion that the Book of Mormon was far superior to the Bible, he charged that the Bible had been changed by "Ignorant translators, careless transcribers, or designing and corrupt priests... " (History of the Church, vol. 6, page 57) This answers your question? :)
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan - Hi.. Mormons believe the Bible is true insofar as it's been translated correctly. The Book of Mormon (BOM), a book translated using the IF and ONLY IF Rule, has been changed hundreds of times, as a point in fact.. . . So by their own rule, the Book of Mormon must be unreliable and untrustworthy. When you read the BOM, which part can you trust?
Watch on You tube: Craig Criddle on Who really wrote the BOM? Also.. go to UTLM dot Org for thought provoking information...
54v115 8 months ago
@54v115 NOt a mormon.. :)
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
@Chinaculiacan - Good for you... I like you already... :0)
54v115 8 months ago
@54v115 Indeed i'm not, I left one for Jesus of Nazareth sake. :) :)
Chinaculiacan 8 months ago
Mormons believe the Bible is true insofar as it's been translated correctly. The Book of Mormon has been changed hundreds of times, as a point in fact.. . . So even by their own rule, the Book of Mormon is unreliable.
Watch on You tube: Craig Criddle on Who really wrote the BOM? Also.. go to UTLM dot Org for real information...
54v115 9 months ago
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54v115 9 months ago
Why are mormons okay with their false doctrines that are unsubstantiated? Absolutely no evidence can be found. I have seen videos of them trying to lay claim to great Mayan and other civilizations, but that is just more dishonesty from the mormons.
BasicInsB4LvingEarth 9 months ago
Read "The Life and Confessions of John D Lee." He was the man executed for the Mountain Meadows Massacre and in his journal, he says he thinks the event was set up by Brigham Young.
Brigham wasn't going to announce his true intentions. I believe only a select few loyal Mormons would have known that the order came from Young.
I believe the word "coin" has been removed in recent versions of the Book of Mormon because they hated being asked about the many coins in the book.
Nepthu 10 months ago
too funny!
Darienbeagle 10 months ago
Brigham young ordered them to kill those people this video shows why Mormonism is a cult
bobbyraejohnson 10 months ago
@eeikman
They are not my leaders.
Sk8er408 1 year ago
WOW....A flesh and bone example of a double standard! Amazing.
godswordsheal 1 year ago
The blood atonement or death BY taught was not physical but spiritual... you christians should know better.
I love the claim he makes that BY would be convinced of murder yet he can not come up with any evidence but knows...
Way to change the subject....
Sk8er408 1 year ago
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Sk8er408 1 year ago
so what your saying is...when joshua from the bible was commanded by god to kill everyone in jericho...makes him an evil man??
turkishsilver101 1 year ago
the first mistake this 50 year old faggot with bleached hair makes is comparing historical figures with modern standards. if we compared every religious figure to modern stanards, moses would be a wanted terrorist, saul....errrrr i mean paul would be on death row for murder, and martin luther would make hitler look like a pussycat compared to antisemitism............BY might look like a jerk compared to our standards, but every man is a product of his time.
this coming from an atheist
rageohol1 1 year ago 3
@rageohol1 well said man, well said!
zkulptor 1 year ago
@rageohol1
Wow... this coming for an atheist... but go figure... most so called Christians dont know Christ from Lucifer.
Could not have said it better... The thing people love to forget is BY traditions were not from the LDS movement but were learned prior to his conversion from the main stream christian thought of the day...
Sk8er408 1 year ago
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eeikman 1 year ago
Did anyone notice that this Mormon guy is trying to prove a book wrong (the bible), that mormons claim to believe? haha. It is such a wonder why we dont think they are christian.
tastefulphrasing 1 year ago
You can read the words of OP Rockwell, Bill Hickman, JD Lee, Dimick Huntington, Gremmil (sp), all Mormons, all make statements claiming the particulars of some Briggy order for a murder. And rewarding some for their efforts. Hickman and I think, Rockwell say they never received a dime for their murders. They did as they were told and to receive their promise of a crown of glory for protecting and establishing the Mormon Zion
IExposeMormonism 1 year ago
The crazy things is that mormons still belive in the shit, even if you prove to them the whole thing is made up.
lnesland 1 year ago
@lnesland The crazy things is that mormons still belive in the shit, even if you prove to them the whole thing is made up.
Prove the Bible.ie Talking snakes.Raising the dead.Raising yurself from the dead.Dividing the red sea.Healing the blind by telling them to put mud on their eyes.Someone bein super strong bcos he had Long hair.Where is ALL the evidence that the Bible is true.Where???lolThat ther was evn a man named Jesus who was the Son of God.Prove that to me,GIVE me the Evidence of such
jferristube 5 months ago
Wow. Really?
Old Mormon dude... you just got SO totally schooled.
lafemmefatalle 1 year ago
"I'm not concerned about documentation about an item of faith"
"Would you like to document your Bible?...can you give me the same kind of proof?"
"there is, in my estimation, no need to prove a book of faith by physical means" That has got to be the most impressive feat of mental gymnastics I have EVER witnessed.
kinduvabigdeal 1 year ago
you are a very weak soul, Mr. Shawn....it is to bad you have taken the easy path...
wildricky40 1 year ago
@wildricky40 How is he taking an easy path? That is pretty stupid to say. How is he a weak soul? Explain that.
tastefulphrasing 1 year ago
This guy is pure ignorants and will perish for it poor guy. I am talking about the mormon FYI.
wachnathan 1 year ago 6
The bible has evidence in the middle east that can be found the book of mormon doesn't have any period.
wachnathan 1 year ago 15
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@wachnathan Feel sorry for this guy . He would of been so much happier to of been born back in the 1800's so he could of been in the mobs.
mollymu1 6 months ago
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@wachnathan The bible has evidence in the middle east that can be found the book of mormon doesn't have any period.
And wher is the evidence that ther was evn a jesus Christ?That he Rose from the deadf.That he raised the dead.Wheres the evidence that he evn calmed the elemnts.Where?
jferristube 5 months ago
Documentation isnt necessary to prove Mormonism. All Mormons need is spiritual infatuation with Joseph smith.
awolLDSasap 1 year ago
i agree
TheClarencefields 1 year ago
i beleive young did kill those people and many more and also thanks for he truth help me get my faith back.
TheClarencefields 1 year ago
wow!! hahaha this don guy is a great moron! want more proof that mr young order the killings?!! the bodies of men, women and kids were left there to rot for almost 2 years! was that BRING'EM YOUNG's way to send a message to anyone who didnt agree with him?
MORMONS = MASTERS OF EXCUSES
MALDITTOROKKERO 1 year ago
dude...run a comb through your hair. Button up your shirt...you're lookin' like Randy Bachman here. Either that or a drunk mug shot Nick Nolte.
mykylc 1 year ago
@mykylc -He needs to act Christian more is what he REALLY needs to do. roll eyes. That, and get a life away from the LDS faith, dude is OCD obsessessed!!
wellsjdan 1 year ago
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@wellsjdan He needs to act Christian more is what he REALLY needs to do. roll eyes. That, and get a life away from the LDS faith, dude is OCD obsessessed!!
hahahaha that s exactly what you are doing.,so funny
teriiura 1 year ago
This guy is a nutjob. He must have had some kind of horrible experience because he's now the definition of anti-Mormon.
"I think we may accept it as a rule that whenever a person's
religious conversation dwells chiefly, or even frequently,
on the faults of other people's religions, he is in a bad condition."
-C.S. Lewis (Collected Letters Vol. 3 p. 209).
trencher7 1 year ago
I think we may accept it as a rule that whenever a person's
religious conversation dwells chiefly, or even frequently,
on the faults of other people's religions, he is in a bad condition."
Excellent point, that's what these guys do here, they can't leave other religions aloine, which in and of it'self is not Christian, "Thou protest too much" also comes to mind, makes me know they have doubts still, to still be searching around at other religions. Terria, 71, pappy, all apply to that quot
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan you know what?maybe you should just stop talking,all of your comments do not make sense,and you are contradicting yourself.Maybe you should call Shawn and talk to him.Because you are really acting like an idiot
teriiura 1 year ago
all of your comments do not make sense,and you are contradicting yourself
What have I contradicted myself on? Roll eyes, I think your the only one confused and acting like an idiot, you and Shawn Mccrany have a strange obession with bashing others faith, and thinking it's christilke, then when people defend their faith, you call them names? roll eyes, you are far from a Christian, so lost.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
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@wellsjdan when people defend their faith, you call them names? roll eyes, you are far from a Christian, so lost. LOL roll eyes
thank you ...LDS are lost,you are trying to make fun but not contradicting,you are making fun and just showing that your heart didn't change...LOL roll eyes
teriiura 1 year ago
from wellsdjan who emailed to me,wellsdjan the good work man.
You believe your good work God to love you more
Not true, your a good liar. Christ did say if ye love him keep his commandments, we do works because we love God, and Christ. We do good works because Christ said we should help one another, We do good works because Christ said we will be judged by our works here on earth.You all throw out these types of scriptures, they don't fit your cherry picking of a couple vs that speak
teriiura 1 year ago
wellsdjan the good work man.
Why thank you, I take great pride in doing as Christ asked us to do. Only to you and pappy is a man who tries to do good works a bad person. LOL
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan well you are doing your prophet jo smith teaching,not the bible.
The bible is sufficient,not that fantasy book called the book of mormon
teriiura 1 year ago
The bible is sufficient
Which version of the Bible? Who's interpretation? The Catholics? The Baptists? The Methodists? The Jevohahs witness, the 7th Day Adventists? Who?
And I notice you continually ignore my scriptures I gave that give contradictions and errors, you still emailing your preacher on those? Why no answer?
Fact is, for God to be fair, he would have to have perfect directions for salvation, Your god does not, My God has directions that are perfect.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan i have the greek and the hebrew bible.And i would say that the king James version is the closest we get.But the greek and hebrews bible have many word that can't be described in english.For example the word love in greek has three meaning....Phileo love (friendship),eros love (sexual) and agape love (unconditional).
teriiura 1 year ago
i would say that the king James version is the closest we get
And even this version has errors and contradictions. Here's a few...
I Chron. 21:5-- Says 100,000 men drew a sword and 2 Samuel 24:9 says 800,000 men drew swords
2 Kings 24:8 says Jehoiachin was eighteen when he began his reign, and 2 Chron. 36:9 says 8 years old
Ezra 2 and Nehemiah 7, Numerous differing numbers of peoples.
It says "man can't see God" But stephen see's God, Moses sees God, many see God
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan i said closest,not perfect.Better than the bom though...where we can not find anything.hahahahaha man you are funny.
teriiura 1 year ago
i said closest,not perfect
Ahhh, you said earlier the Bible was perfect, now your are changing your tune, You said earlier that once a man is saved, he can't fall, now you have changed your tune
As I have said many times over the years, trying to get doctrine from you all is like trying to nail jello to a wall, it keeps moving. LOL
Fact is, a God who would put someone in hell for misunderstanding a book you admit is not perfect, is not a perfect God, but a cruel God. That's your God.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan i guess now you don't believe in the bible anymore.Idiot the bible is the word of God ,and the purpose of the word is to show who the author is.So thru the bible we can have knowledge of God.Not like that fake book called the book of mormon
teriiura 1 year ago
i guess now you don't believe in the bible anymore
Didn't say that, what I said is if it's not perfect, how can a loving god put someone in turtore for eternity when he gave us a book that is not absolutly perfect????
Fact is, a loving God doesn't do that, My God does not do that, yours does.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan God doesn't put someone in torture for eternity,people put themselves there.because the bible says that hell was made for the devil and his angel...not for people.But God said....who is not for me is against me
teriiura 1 year ago
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God doesn't put someone in torture for eternity
Actually not true in your belief system, a man who never hears of Christ, it is not his fault, he lived in Iran, or Iraq, or many areas where freedom of religion is not given to the people, and they never even have a chance to hear of Christ, it was not there fault, but by your Gods beliefs, they are to burn in hell and be tortured for eternity. False doctirne.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
Like an answer to this also....
Again, who's interpretation do I trust? The Catholics? The Baptists? The Jehovahs witness? The 7th day adventists?
Which one do we trust? And why?
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan trust the message,knowing that Jesus is God and his love is unconditional.Jw for example do not believe Jesus is God but an angel.Adventist has a good bible ,but are still under the law,and believe that works will lead you to the Father(like obeying the sabbath and all the rest).
Jesus came to free us from the wrath of God because we cannot abey His commandments perfectly
teriiura 1 year ago
trust the message
Again, you won't answer, who's version of the message? The Catholics? The Baptists, the 7th day adventists? The Jehovahs witness', the Born againers? I get different answers from all of you.
So again, I ask, which message do I trust, and why?
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan are you stupid or just born that way?no wonder why yu couldn't handle Christianity but needed to be babysitted by mormons
teriiura 1 year ago
Again, who's interpretation do I trust? The Catholics? The Baptists? The Jehovahs witness? The 7th day adventists?
I'll go with the Prophets and Apostles thanks.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan you mean your prophet who believe in that fantasy and teach that fantasy book called the Bom?no thanks
teriiura 1 year ago
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and teach that fantasy book called the Bom
What scripture in the Book of Mormon don't you agree with? Give me an example.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
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well you told me that the bible wasn't perfect,you are contradicting yourself
Huh? I've always said the Bible has errors and contradictions, that's why we have so many churches from the same supposed "perfect" book.
It was you who at first said the Bible is perfect, then later changed your tune and admitted it is not perfect. roll eyes. Liar.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
I believe that all Mormons need to ask their Church for full disclosure. In a free society no Religion should have secret rituals and ceremonies and places where the public is not allowed. The future of mankind will be saved when Mormonisn is destroyed.
buddatheone 1 year ago
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2 hours ago I believe that all Mormons need to ask their Church for full disclosure. In a free society no Religion should have secret rituals and ceremonies and places where the public is not allowed. The future of mankind will be saved when Mormonisn is destroyed.
Such child like ignornance. If it wasn't so bigotted, it'd be funnny.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
BOOK OF MORMON IS ALL LIE. LDS is - LOST DAMNED SOULS. mormon dont give a damn about the BIBLE. WAKE UP MORMONS, READ GALATIANS 1: 6 to 9
71gk 1 year ago
LOST DAMNED SOULS. mormon dont give a damn
Wow, such language for a Christian, you sir, are another hypocrite that has been my experience you all are growing up in the Baptist faith I found many more like you, foul mouths, lie, cheat, steal. It's just what you all do, Oh, that and judge people. roll eyes.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan because is true. LDS , book of mormon is LIE .SATAN IS THE FATHER OF LIE. AND ALL YOUR PROPHETS ARE LIARS. YOU GUYS FOLLOW BLIND PROPHETS THAT WILL EVENTUALY LEAD MORMONS TO PERDITION. WAKE UP MORMONS. BRAIN WASHED. I was raise up in the church called COMMUNITY OF CHRIST former known as reorganized later days saints church ,that came from the LDS. THANK GOD FOR THE BIBLE WITHOUT IT I'LL BE BRAIN WASHED TOO. I have strong words for this LIARS YES.
71gk 1 year ago
THAT WILL EVENTUALY LEAD MORMONS TO PERDITION
Perdition? Where's that word in the Bible? That term is not biblical, nor is your beliefs, You catholic? That is a Catholic term, not Christian term. You follow a Pope? Where's that term in the Bible?
wellsjdan 1 year ago
THANK GOD FOR THE BIBLE WITHOUT IT I'LL BE BRAIN WASHED TOO
Who's version of the Bible do you beieve in? That's the problem, there are many interpretations by man on what any given scripture means, so how do you know your version is right? Does your church follow the Bible? If so, you have 12 apostles as the bible says Christs church would have right? Prophets also? How about Teachers, Preists, Elders? Your church have all that? If not, your not following the Bible bro, sorry, your just not
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan Does your church follow the Bible? If so, you have 12 apostles as the bible says Christs church would have right? It was established according to God direction, what joseph did was try to change the foundation. For some he did! We shall see how firm it is in that last day eh?Prophets also, What have your prophets prophacied, New and ever lasting covenant's? Polygamy(practised still today with the dead ) But denied in main stream media ? You make a big claim, that means squat !
pappyforyou 1 year ago
what joseph did was try to change the foundation.
Again I ask, the Bible mentions Christ church has 12 Apostles, Prophets, Priests, Elders, Deacons, Bishops, etc etc etc.
Does your church? Didn't think so, therefore it is YOUR church that is not following the Bible.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@71gk - Now I'm confused 71gk, you say you don't believe in the Book of Mormon, but belong to the community of Christ church that is a break off of the LDS faith, and they DO believe in the Book of Mormon, LOL, your one confused puppy.
To top it off, you use words like Pergotory that Catholics use, so let's see, your supposedly Christian, Community of Christ, that believes the Book of Mormon, but you don't, but you use Catholic doctrine? LOL< Wow, talk about confused. roll eyes.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan PERGOTORY? WHERE DID YOU FIND THAT SO CALL COMING FROM ME? SHOW ME IN MY COMMENT WHERE I USED THAT WORD. I NEVER BELIEVE IN THAT STUPID BOOK OF MORMON THANKS TO THE BIBLE. NOW YOU ARE THE ONE WHO IS CONFUSED. IDIOT LOL
71gk 1 year ago
@71gk I NEVER BELIEVE IN THAT STUPID BOOK OF MORMON
But you belong to a church that does right? LOL Talk about confused.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan roll eyes
teriiura 1 year ago
@teriiura - so that's all you got left? No response to the biblical contradictions? No response to the scriptures that say baptism in necessary, no response to when a person needs to be saved by? Ok, just so I know you got nothin left. roll eyes.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan you lost.....why fighting
teriiura 1 year ago
@teriiura -Ok skippy, if you say so, no answer to the tough questions, run, run, run, like a coward. I find this over and over with you bible thumping nut jobs. Good day sir, good luck with a belief in a God who puts children or even young adults in hell, puts people who lived good lives in hell, who gave us a flawed book and in your beliefs puts us in HELL to be tortured for eternity if we can't figure it out. good luck with that hateful god, I would NEVER believe in that God. roll eyes.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan God hates evil,and we are children of wrath by nature,but thru Jesus we are adopted.And you believe that your work will save you?your heat first is not pure....so you want to how your work to God?Are you insane?
teriiura 1 year ago
God hates evil,
Duh, but just because someone lived a good life, but never found Jesus does not make them evil. roll eyes.
"By your works will ye be judged" Your works? Nada.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan the bible says that we were children of wrath....and thru Jesus we are adopted children.So who ever you are,if you don't have faith in Jesus who is the only way to God,even with his good work ,won't go to the Father.Read your bible sometimes,before you tell me about this
teriiura 1 year ago
faith in Jesus who is the only way to God
I agree the only way to'god is through christ, but what you don't take into account is there are people all over the world who have never even seen a bible, some never heard of 'Christ, we just had a missionary in my congregation come back from angola who mentioned this concept Many had never heard of christ, they are poor people, dont have acces to radio, books, they survive as they can, You all would throw them in hell. Disgusting God u have.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan well the bible really say that Jesus is the only way to the Father.You deny that ,you deny the Bible
teriiura 1 year ago
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well the bible really say that Jesus is the only way to the Father.You deny that ,you deny the Bible
Not true, our 1st article of faith says that the steps to salvation is...
1. Faith in Jesus Christ
2. Repentence
3 Baptism,
4. Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost (you all don't do this either, although biblical)
5 Keep the commandments (john 15:10)
6 Endure to the end. (mark 24:13
All found in the Bible, you all read one or two scriptures and forget others.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
You believe your good work will help God to love you more
John 15 10 If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan it says,stay in my love...it doesn't say ,come to my love .Do you understand what you write?
teriiura 1 year ago
it says,stay in my love...it doesn't say ,come to my love
Actually what it says it you will "abide" in his love, which "abide" means "stay or continue" in his love, So if we don't keep the commandments, we don't "stay or continue" in his love.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan thank you for approving my comment.that means you were in God's love already
teriiura 1 year ago
thank you for approving my comment.that means you were in God's love already
Yes,, I believe I am in Gods love, I don't believe people like Shawn Mccrany and his sheep followers are, you and Pappy are obsessed bigots of the LDS faith, you need medical help for this obesssion, as does Mr. Mccrany,. Your all not Christian people.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan hahahaha man you are so funny,thats all you got?to treat us as bigot,sick??? prove it...if you can't well you are one
teriiura 1 year ago
i would say that the king James version is the closest we get
Closet we get? So it's not perfect right? Just "close"????
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan i have already explain to you why.Better close than fake, like the bom
teriiura 1 year ago
.Better close than fake, like the bom
Tell me, what scripture in the Book of Mormon do you disagree with? Give me an example. A specific verse you disagree with. Just one will do.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan where are all the the skeletons and shields on the mount kumurah where that great battle took place?
teriiura 1 year ago
@wellsjdan it is not closet...but closest,put your bom in the closet yes
teriiura 1 year ago
,if you don't have faith in Jesus who is the only way to God,even with his good work ,won't go to the Father.
Very judgemental of you, which is typical, as people who are doing Christ like works, are doing so to do as Christ asked us to do, but only to nutty Bible thumpers is doing what Christ told us to do, take care of others, the poor, the widows, the downtrodden, only to you all is that a bad thing. "Woe to those who call evil good and good evil" (Isiah 5:20) Speaking to you and Pappy
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan well at least i don't pretend to be a good man like you.I say clearly...i am not good,but thru Jesus,i am more and more trying to be like Christ,still knowing my imperfection
teriiura 1 year ago
@wellsjdan Romans 3:23 says everybody has sinned,and you want to show your Work to God?You have just rejected Jesus right there ,because you have faith in your work...not Jesus.Thats why you are an idiot.
teriiura 1 year ago
Romans 3:23 says everybody has sinned,and you want to show your Work to God
Well of course I want to show my works to God, that's what he asked us to do, "love thy neighbor, help the poor, heal the sick, keep Gods commandments, If you love me keep my commandments, get baptized, why wouldn't I want to do what God asks?
You all are so evil you think people doing Gods work is evil. roll eyes.
The scripture there will be those who call good evil and evil good, is you all.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan that is so good for you
teriiura 1 year ago
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that is so good for you
It's good for what Christ taught us, this you can't deny, he taught to take care of the poor, the hungry, the widows, the downtrodden, all takes works of men, Chrisitans, real Christians, not fake ones who mock people who do good works for God as you and gramps do.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
You also don't take into account those who haven't had a chance to be baptized, as the Bible is clear this is a necessity, You also don't take into account a Bible that is flawed in errors and contradictions galore. A God who would throw people in hell with a flawed book is a God that is unfair, and not loving. Sorry, your Interpretation of Gods plan for us on earth is just imcomplete, Heck, you don't even understand why were here on earth. Tell me your interpretation of why were here.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan i am baptized,my action shows that i love God ,the reason why i do my best to obey God.
You believe your good work will help God to love you more.Therefore you think God's love is conditonal.We don't have the same God.My God is with unconditonal love
teriiura 1 year ago
i am baptized,my action shows that i love God ,
That's good, but the problem is many Christians don't believe it is necessary, the Bible clearly teaches it is one of the steps to salvation (Mark 16:16, John 3:5)
Also mainstream Christianity has lost the concept of having a plan of salvation for all, those who live in areas where Christ has never been taught, areas where people don't have access to the Bible or radio, TV, Your faith wil just put them in hell and forget about them.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan there is one step to salvation,faith in Jesus..then you start to produce the fruit of the spirit.Ok when Jesus said,i am the truth ,the way and the light...noone comes to the father but thru me....was He lying?for these people there is an explaination.
Did you know boudhist do better work than you?
teriiura 1 year ago
there is one step to salvation,faith in Jesus..
This is not what the Bible teaches, read this....
Mark 16 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved;
What does this say the steps to salvation is? Be honest for once. roll eyes.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan what about like you say those who are in a desert and find Jesus?hahahaah no water
teriiura 1 year ago
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what about like you say those who are in a desert and find Jesus?hahahaah no water
What about those in areas where they have never read a Bible, no access to a Bible, My friend just got back from Angola, this is the case there. What happens to them? You won't answer, because you know your God would throw them in hell, disgusting God you believe in.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
Ok when Jesus said,i am the truth ,the way and the light...noone comes to the father but thru me....was He lying?
Of course he wasn't lieing, and we believe that as LDS faith, that's why we baptize in his name, do everything in his name, But you forget, just because we say words, does not make us saved, we also must do other things Christ said to do, Endure to the end, Keep the commandments, Be baptized, all biblical, all things you ignore.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan i didn't say just to say the word,but to believe and truly say.When you have faith in Jesus it is like you profess to make Jesus the Lord of your life.(Not jo smith your prophet)
teriiura 1 year ago
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i didn't say just to say the word,but to believe and truly say.
The Bible says that Devils believe, belief is obviously not enough, you must do what Christ said to do in the Bible, don't cherry pick, read it all .
wellsjdan 1 year ago
Did you know boudhist do better work than you?
What happens to a good man who is buddist in your beliefs?
And why won't you answer when a man has to be saved by? What age? When does a child not have to worry about being saved?
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan what are talking about?you are out of your mind...mr good work who don't sin ,neither in his heart
teriiura 1 year ago
I have one friend from High School who was "saved" (Born againer) who for 15 years was Christian, but he just married a Jewish women and converted to that faith, now he says he doesn't believe in Christ anymore, so don't try to tell me one can't fall from grace, it's not biblical.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan the bible talks about apostasy,i never said it is not biblical to fall from Jesus.Don't say what i didn't say
teriiura 1 year ago
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the bible talks about apostasy,i never said it is not biblical to fall from Jesus.Don't say what i didn't say
You seemed to say that once a man is saved he can't sin and lose his salvation, Are you changing your tune now?
Answer clearly, can one lose their salvation once saved?
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan so mr good work...if Jo smith was still alive and asked your wife to be his wife...would you let him?know that your prophet took married woman as wife
teriiura 1 year ago
You believe your good work God to love you more
Not true, your a good liar. Christ did say if ye love him keep his commandments, we do works because we love God, and Christ. We do good works because Christ said we should help one another, We do good works because Christ said we will be judged by our works here on earth.
You all throw out these types of scriptures, they don't fit your cherry picking of a couple vs that speak about belief being a step to salvation, forgeting others.
wellsjdan 1 year ago
@wellsjdan Good luck with your work then,make sure you don't make fun with people in your heart,you don't lust in your heart,you don't hate your neighbor in your heart....good luck with that ,and Ask Jo smith to help you,
Good luck in trusting your fantasy book ..bom
teriiura 1 year ago
Good luck with your work then,make sure you don't make fun with people in your heart
You should tell your buddy Shawn Mccrany that, that's what he does for a living, he, just like you, are obsessed with Mormonism for some reason, why is that?
wellsjdan 1 year ago