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  • This piece sounds so good when it's played awesomely like this.

  • Dude's a beast. At 2:11 "Oh, is THAT how that passage goes??"

  • WTF. His fingers were like at lightning speed.

  • Bravissimo ! For me this is one of the best Mephisto what I heard. (I heard a lot-lot)

  • HAHAHA! listen to the grandma-interpretation at 0:12 I do N.O.T understand why pianist insist on doing that

  • @elineangelica

    That's all you got out of it. Sound like you're jealous or maybe trying to let us know you can play too...Weak.

  • HAHAHA! listen to the grandma-interpretation at 0:14 I do N.O.T understand why pianist insist on doing that

  • fantastic!! bravo!! one of the most interesting over the net!! still waiting for kissin's interpretation!!

  • Spare technique to burn!

  • how old is he ? Wonderful playing !

  • how old is he ?

  • Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!

  • zomg... goosebombs! srsly this piece plays on my head non stop...

  • Es fantástico

    JEM WONG

  • Such a pity!! Fantastic pianistic potential in service of mere effects. Sound fake, lacks depth and here and there just tacky.

  • His playing is very pompous and very affected. He plays as if saying: "Look how virtuosic I play and I am a pupil of Argerich!"

  • @GianniBarbarona

    The haters only come when people are on top of their game...

  • ....wow

  • his left leg here: 5:22

  • Few performances can be called truly "electrifying", but this is one of them. Had some good apostle not had his handycam with him this stunner would have been lost, but thanks to him we can witness some real hair-raising pianistic fireworks. To heck with the few missed notes. What this young Sergio Tiempo captures here is something not even Boris Bereovsky caught in his live performance (also here on YT). A performance for the ages (and the aged---and the young'uns too, come to think of it.

  • @JoeTownley What is the proper term for the slide or whatever it is at 1:33?

  • @ScarceOTatties  glissando

  • @JoeTownley Ah I'm familiar with the term. This has to be the oldest peice I've heard with the use of this technique applied so swiftly and dramatically

  • @ScarceOTatties Liszt did love his glissandi. If you like these, check out the end of his Second Concerto.

  • @ScarceOTatties Glissando

  • Interpretazione molto personale e quindi originale, tecnica notevole usata con maturità,non dà mai l'idea di essere al massimo delle sue capacità,giostra i punti più ostici con personalità e semplicità, grandioso

  • Why most pianists play terribly the glissandos?? The glissandos are not less important than cadenzas, scales, arpeggios!!

  • I guess you timid souls have never danced with the devil...? Sergio Tiempo obviously has; this Liszt should be terrifying and brutal. and here it is. And by the way, who said music - which is only a reflection of human experience -should be always pretty? This man is a huge talent, a magnificent instrumentalist and a sensitive creative artist; he's got it all! And don't tell me anybody in their right mind still practices Pischna!

  • Is that Mephisto waltz? No. Is that Liszt? No.

    Is that jazz? No. Is that music? hell no

  • He has some great ideas, but the problem is that none of his notes speak. Otherwise, it could be a fantastic performance full of excitement. It sounds more like "wack wack wack" then melody. Piano is a percussion instrument, but it isn't.

  • What I like about his playing is, he plays not notes, but images in a very spontaneous manner. “Tuning” of string instruments can be heard at the beginning, which is probably the intention by Liszt. I know playing too fast often kills music, but not in this case. It definitely increases excitement. Anyway, I simply enjoyed it!

  • Tiempo - virtuos, Liszt - virtuos; difference - less music in playing and more music in music :)

  • he's gay....

  • @thesterlingtaste ....one can only hope!

  • you people probs dont even know who liszt is and his music was meant to be all technique and show off... he was a virtuoso not a musical genius like Beethoven,

    Wanna see something deep and grabbing go listen to Beethoven or Mozart..

  • @charolastra956

    Wow, wrong... what Liszt wrote is so much more than "show off" music... yes it is difficult to play, but even more difficult to play musically I think.

  • Tempo has an amazing thecnique and sounds in some passages really impressive, but in my opinion he needs to understand better the composer's intention.

    He most read between the lines and find out the really meaning of the composer not just playing the pieces like a robot.

    He could be one of the greatest performes of our time but has to change what most of performers do nowadays: playing fast with no musicality and lacks of deep understanding of the works they play.

    My humble opinion.

  • he0s fucking great

  • Omg, the trills!

  • ofc sergio tempo is a very good pianist

  • and what is left from all this? i love horowitz, cortot, richter e.t.c much more than just fast and strong fingers

  • 7:40 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • You can blame his reckless speed on his teacher, Marta Argerich, who always played too fast....

  • But after watching Sergio play the Mephisto Waltz

    a few more times, I believe his performance is by far, the most exciting performance I have ever heard...And that includes Horowitz performance as well.....But that's not to say Horowitz's performance was not better than Sergio's overall, and in every way....Horowitz sets the benchmark in everything he played.: his pedalling technique, his piano and fortes, his coloration....Sergio can learn a lot from him.

  • @MoebiusTripper Perhaps too fast for your ears, but never too fast for the music.

  • @4456dh Don't get me wrong, I never heard the Mephisto Waltz played with that much gusto and speed....I enjoyed hearing Sergio's playing of it more than Horowitz, or anyone else for that matter....Bravo Sergio!!!

  • @MoebiusTripper Indeed, and don't miss the Liszt concerto which also boasts ravishing playing by the Japanese orchestra; evidently one doesn't have to be Hungarian!

  • Another otherwise gifted musician tears up a great peice of music by trying to show off and play it faster than he really can. I'm with the two of you before me, where IS the music? I think he's lacking in self control. I really think that if he'd turn off the afterburners and begin to feel the music rather than just burn through a bunch of notes ASAP he could ace this piece. (I didn't think it was too bad a job for a handheld camcorder though!) :D

  • Very good pianist but he will never be like his teacher.... or any other A-class pianist..he is lacking of this musicality or something like this.

    my humble oppinion though....

  • ow yeah....incredible technique... but did he need to defecate on the piano? WHERE IS THE MUSIC???

  • @000ytube Where is the music...? Use your ears - and a bit of imagination - and you'll find it! Has seduction ever sounded so evil or excommunication so enticing?

  • Anyone going early December, Wigmore Hall?

  • 2:28-2:30???

  • william kapell best mephisto forever!

  • No doubt about...;-)

  • i can't believe he's playing on a yamaha. it sounds just awful. AWFUL.

  • that would be the handheld cam recording..

  • It is, indeed, AWFUL -- in fact it's DREADFUL.

    HORRIBLE!

    EXECRABLE!

    };-)>

  • braaaavoooooooooO!!!!!!!!!!!!!­!!!!1

  • Fantastique massacre des quadruples croches!

    Vers 2'30" le joueur de piano fait la sieste??

  • Well, he certainly has the power to do what HE wants to do with it, but to me it's almost feral -- brutal, ferocious, affected and guilty of unspeakably vulgar grandstanding.

    A major pianistic talent poorly guided, poorly motivated and fatally afflicted with bad taste.

    Do I sound harsh? Sorry, but there is nothing seductive, enchanting or touching about this. It's heartless, graceless and all about nothing more than showing off a big technique.

    Art requires more than mere exhibitionism.

  • You commented on Bayram's Mephisto Waltz saying essentially the same thing. I think you're maybe deluding an interpretation of force and speed as ferocity. All opinions I guess.

  • Bayram Karamenderes does, indeed, use a similar approach to the work, but he's considerably less accurate than Tiempo.

    So we have at least two major pianistic talents poorly guided, poorly motivated and fatally afflicted with bad taste.

    Ever faster; never better. In fact faster and faster oft leads to disaster.

    "Just because one CAN doesn't mean one SHOULD."

  • shut up idiot

  • @Pischnaholic When may we expect your definitive version of this work?

  • j'aimerais beaucoup l'entendre dans du skryabin. Si je dois me justifier en disant que "Sergio n'est encore qu'un gosse qui sait bouger ses doigts comme usain bolt sait courrir et qu'il n'est qu'il feint etre musiciens" il faut oublier tout ces passages techniques et ecouter lé parties cantabile car c est là ou l'on voit que la grâce de Liszt ne l'a pas touché.

  • jsuis d'accord avc certains commentR de lokopiano mais restons calme lol ce n'est qu'un pianiste.. Mephisto est trop facile pour lui..

  • me encanta tu version

  • I dont like his style

  • his pianist plays fast.

    He has not balance and of course not any kind of symetry in his playing. Not dynamic range. It is extremely poor.

    His vision of music is: fast and forte.

    His playing has not any trace of any amount of cerebrality.

    What a pittyy Very good fingers with some help of martha , but Martha is martha.

    Is really ugly to listen to him.

    lokopiano

  • ...i must agree,sir! ;)))

  • Tahnks so much.. Berlin.

    lokopiano

  • But I confess that I think a little "preciosist" to wait cerebrality and deepness from a music that is essencially characteristic (in the sense of "character" indeed) and rythmic. I like to listen to power and incisiveness here. Why to be boring waiting a metaphysic subtlety where music asks strenght? It's dyonisian, not apollinean.

  • Cerebrality is always neccesary in any playing...even if you play cheap music, as..uhmm Alkan as an example.

    The amount you need of it is a different story.

    To make superior rendition of this music you have to understand al least a little bit the drama of Fausto and Mephistopheles. This uncerebral and unimaginative pianist have not idea of it.

    Also the inner dynamic of this drama is made but meta-erotic places where you need to build huge climaxes from PP? NOT ..form 5PP and

    go to next

  • coming form previous.

    It menas : You need to use an extremely wide range of dynamics. He doesn´t understand a bit of this in his kind of histeryc playing plenty of fortes ,and more like his stupid head movement extremely feminine. Just empty virtuosity to show what?. AND his playing in this pieces is not clear at all.

    I reccomend to you to listen ( among very good versions) Jorge Bolet version just to mention one of the very good ones.

    lokopiano

  • I think you're crazy

  • Oh.......... thank you Viking

    lokopiano

  • He acheived what he set out to do: Il a épaté la bourgeoisie.

    Bravura playing to wow the audience. Nothing more, nothing less.

  • Uhmmm, i don´t know , maybe.... :-)

    lokopiano

  • Lokopiano:I think he plays the 8:07 octaves at a good speed (not mentioning the other things wrong with it at this point), but the rest of the octaves surrounding it I think are a bit out of rhythm. Am I wrong?

    Anyway, I agree that you need cerebral imagination, altho, I'm not completely sure what you mean by it. Could you explain a little more what you mean?

    PS, What do you mean by 5PP? Thank you.

    PS 2. He seems tense. But nice bravura.

  • @lokopiano ...and by the way, cerebrality is not a word!

  • Non,non,il joue trop lentement!

  • He is a little cretin

  • Mais oui! C'est vrai certainment. Merci beaucoup pour votre discernment distingué -- aussi tres comique.

  • Just ugly.

    completely superficial.

    lokopiano

  • Superficial?What do you mean please?I' think in this case his playing its exsagerated fast,but he comes from Martha Argerich's school,and he's an incredible talent...personal opinion.

  • This guy kicks asss

  • His fingers almost always look very soft on the keyboard, not deep on the keys, but he makes such a sound. How does he do it? I really would like to know.

  • The explanation is easy on the technical side:

    He learn from Martha many things in technique,but the probelm is when he is away and begin to make things alone.His height is too high,so when he contracted his fingers , they "Scaped" a littel bit, and keyboard touching is superficial. Anyway, due to the very fast contraction the impact on keys at a high speed , replace it. But for that reason too, his touch (despite the fastness) is irregular.

    He has only finger talent, and too much female movs

  • True. Watching with attention it's very gestual how he contracts his fingers to gain volume and play fast.

    Thanks!

  • You are welcome.

    Just a reminder: Martha Argerich make this, but in much more contoled contractions. Only the neccesary amount and not more, and of course in much lower position, so she always make a complete stroke on the key. Personally i don´t like too much the iea of contraction, but the disasociation of fingers: It mean "to trow away" them , And almost not contraction at all. Observe Michelangelli playing.

    lokopiano

  • @lokopiano Perusing your collected writings - ignoring the careless spelling, punctuation, and sentence structure - one can only conclude that you have a rather limited understanding of the essentials of outstanding pianism. Here they are (you may wish to jot them down): total physical freedom, a superb ear and limitless imagination. SergioTiempo has them all. And by the way, your obsession with "feminine" head movements is both sad and revealing.

  • why so fast in the lyrical parts?is he losing the train?

  • the most technically superb version i've yet heard. I couldn't be more impressed. the performance lacks, however the fibers that create emotional tension and desire that stirs the soul, so to speak.

  • omg ..... so PRO ..... lols

  • sporca in parti relativamente semplici, ed è praticamente perfetto da 1:15 a 1:50 e da 7:05a 7:40 ....da 7:40 a 8:00 si inventa troppo per tenere il tempo inverosimile. Non mi piaciono alcuni elementi dell'interpretazione, soprattutto le pause e certi passaggi come a 2:30. Comunque tanto di cappello

  • Argerich's............. tempo fast fast fast !

  • bravo...ottima analisi

  • Very sloppy playing in favor of speed. Hurry,

    hurry!

  • What the hell was with him stopping completely at 0:48?

  • theres a pause in scores...

  • very powerful!!

  • to agresive!no no and no!!!

  • guauuuu me impacto¡¡

  • liszt gets the technic by he sells the soul to devil.

  • anyone reading this? msg meeH!

    xD too fun !! 5G

  • horowitz plays it better you should all hear horowitz playing it

  • i think it sounds bad cuz it's recoreded with normal camera

  • i really like his interpretation. very definite. but i hope he can make nicer sounds

  • lol! Liszt and Paganini must've been emo musicians of there day!! hahaha!!

  • Don't say that man.. You deserve to be piano-whipped..

  • We can hardly even call Liszt a human,even thou I'm a hungarian,I can hardly believe what masterful mind he had.

  • love it! most genius i must add. i heard his concert at Budapest music festival - chopin concerto #1 and polonaise opus 22; the best version i've heard!

  • 666...hablas demasiado. Y no decis nada de concreto. Pon tu cerebra en función antes que tu boca (manos) en acción...que es mejor!

  • i admire ANYONE who can play it either way.!

  • AAALLLLMMMOOOOSSTTT as good as Earl Wild's insanely fast interpretation

  • Sergio, you are really good, your comprehension of the works, your lirism, your thechnique superb. You play this piece with una graciosidad; de un modo general yo aprecio los pianistas de lo inicio do seculo e personas vivas solamente NELSON FREIRE, the GREAT MARTHA e USTED. cONGRATULATIONS!!!

  • wow good at poker and the piano cool;)

  • this is good

  • lo voy a ver tocar esta misma obra en vivo dentro de tres dias. si toca de esta misma manera, va a cosechar increibles apalausos, bien merecidos

  • BAhh........leyendo el comcnetario de "Pepemazter" en efecto es bastante cierto lo que dice. De todas formas los "Falsos" no son tan importantes como la misma interpretaciòn que es toda una mierda.

    Ese descerebradito con pinta de gay cree que hacer arte es tocar rápido.

    Está equivocado y grna parte de culpa la tienen los que lo alaban sin pensarlo dos veces.

    Ademças que se quiete de una vez por todas sus movimientos ridículos y amaneramientos que no lo ayudan en nada.

    666

  • claro, y porque toca tan rapido y mal tiene la reputacion que tiene... la gente se harta de la envidia, sepamos reconocer lo que esta bien. ademas, liszt lo penso de esa manera, rapido, seductor, fuerte, diabolico, esta muy bien interpretado.

  • Disculpa Tinocalabrese ¿Conociste a liszt en persona?

    ¿Quien sabe la velocidad que penso?

    Has escuchado la rescatada grabación re-editada de Busoni de esta pieza?.

    Bueno escúchala y te hagp saber que Busoni fue alumno del mismo Liszt y ha sido unos de los mas grandes pianistas de todos los tiempos y además alabado a mas no poder por el mismo Artur Rubinstein que lo definió como un demonio técnico ( a Busoni) .

    ------->

  • ------->Entonces......¿donde estamos?

    Lo único de diabólico que tiene ese Tiempo es su cara de engreido por la mamita.

    Sobre la opin ión de la gente: La mayoría de gente que va a los conceirtos es ignorante y ello se da en todo el mundo. La gente quiere velocidad, fortissimos y está feliz. Esa es la masa. La elite el 20% ( y eso que soy generoso) juzga de otra manera.

    666

  • soy un atento lector de tus comentarios 666. a veces eres rudo, pero es preferible esa rudeza si va acompañada de conocimiento pianístico. El foro youtube está plagado de gente que pone "This song is great" o cosas por el estilo, asi que es refrescante leer tus comments, siempre polémicos y muy seguros de lo que dices.

  • Gracias anblanco333

    Aunque te parezca mentira..en realidad no soy tan malo como parezco.. :-) jaja.

    Lo que pasa es que a través de los años he podido comprobar que a veces es necesaria la rudeza con las mentes duras. Luego viene una distensión.

    Hasta te aseguro que al mismo Sergio Tiempo ( si es que alguna vez lee los comentarios) le hace bien leer algo en lo que quien sabe el mismo no se ha dado cuenta por "N" razones.

    ---->

  • ----> En realidad no tengo nada contra el ( a pesar de que lo friego con lo de gay [que se que no lo es..jeje] y otras cosas mas..), sino que me da pena que un tipo con tremendo talento digital se pierda haciendo tonteras que realmente si se pusiera a pensar dos veces ( Tampoco creo realmente que sea bruto, pero Sí ocioso mentalmente)no las haría y podría quien sabe ser un gran artista.

    --->

  • ----> Talento le sobra técnicamente, pero musicalmente tendría que verlo hacer algo a carta cabal para poder dar una opinión mas concreta.

    Respecto al video con su hermanita ahí si digo la verdad: Es un video supèr-ridículo y "Huachafo" y su hermanita mueve la papada igualito que el Brendel con su síndrome de iguana. :-).

    Saludos.

    666

  • te podrías callar la boca, esnob torturado?

  • Interprétation absolument fabuleuse et pas uniquement digitalement parlant : elle est diabolique ! C'est la plus démoniaque de celles que j'ai jamais entendues. Belzébuth au piano ! Comme il est dommage que la prise de sons soit aussi désastreuse. Au moins celle-ci a-t-elle le mérite de nous conserver ce document...

  • A powerful and dazzling performance! Don't think it can be played much better than that. First I've heard of this Argentinian genius.

    Gonna hear a lot more, that's for sure.

  • Look at this... even video-quality is horrible !!! SERGIO still same GREAT and TALANTED MUSICIAN. I just realize SERGIO's nickname PAGANINI of FORTEPIANO !!!

  • bravissimo! not words!

  • uheara is far far far from him

  • no me gusta la versión =S

    es demasiado rápida y brusca

    al saltar de un lado a otro se le meten muchas teclas a los acordes

    por intentar tocar tan rápido se le van muchísimas teclas y golpea teclas adicionales que no debería tocar

    mucha gente dice que no comete errores

    si escucharan mejor se darían cuenta que comete mas errores de lo normal

    no me gustó

    pero prefiero pensar que fue la cámara la que hizo que se escuchara así

    saludos

  • The best interpretation of the Original Liszt's Mephisto Waltz i've heard in my life, its so perfect and without any mistake, and its exceletly performed by him, he have and great facility to play this song, there're no words to describe that way of he play it's just amazing and perfect.

  • I am pretty sure the camera man is gay. He is just making a video of Tiempo derrier.

    frateramadeus

  • perhaps it's a camera lady?

  • Hello Czifrra. Uhmmm maybe is a lady,,, but that Tiempo doens´t look vey male, but maybe a little efeminate.....BTW this version is horrible. Of course he play it very clean and very fast, but SO? Like Czserny etude. and BTW i also made a so extense reply to you in brendel place about the Monglight sonata.

    frateramadeus

  • Are you kidding? This may not be to everyone's taste, but cannot you not hear the hugely orchestral dynamic contrasts? This isn't my favourite performance, but it has a hell of a lot more than digital facility to it.

  • Absolutely first rate.Where this scores is with the sheer excitement he produces.Hard for anyone to better this.I am not impressed with Sergio Tiempos playing of lyrical passages in Chopin, which can sound very stilted,but for virtuoso style works like this he is absolutely brilliant.

    I enjoyed this immensely and will definitely

    buy his recordings playing Liszt.

  • great!

  • great!

  • great!

  • hey, fellow, couldn't u take ur seat in the last row ? :|

  • doe's anyone know why he is not showing his face in north america? did the critics do him in????

    (like so many gifted others)???

  • if he makes it in europe its easy for him to make in usa the europen and russian critics like him moatly and thay are the critics that matter

  • Maybe,I expect he plays YAMAHA piano,

    why not a steinway? He has a steinway,

    and his skill is enough to play a steinway

    like expensive piano.

    By the way,he plays difficult piano piece like liszt very well.His talent is genius.

  • Everything he plays is extraordinary. Hes a modern little Liszt,or Chopin. But only a Romantic piano type, thats why he can feel every music writen on piano.

  • how can u say that...read something about liszt or chopin u'll see he is so far from chopin or listz...liszt at 8 years old was performing all around europe...

  • Ok, i'm jealous and I don't even play piano anymore. I've only heard this song played once, in the way that I think would make Franz Liszt proud and this Spaniard definitely has the balls required to do so. I just don't like the pauses-they're way too long. This song was INTENDED to be played like you're possessed, a wolf on a full moon and he does an excellent job, despite my small critcism. Just as the song title implies, a devilish performace! 3.95/4 stars!

  • My bad, Sergio- South American!

  • Balls?............pellets maybe but no more...

    ytpiano7

  • i have a yamaha grand.....lmfao!

  • ピアノがヤマハっぽいなあ。

    なぜスタインウェイじゃないんだろう?

  • he certaintly has the hungarian style to the piece..adds a little flair to it >.> with all the banging of the chords..definately Liszt...-.-

  • micsoda trillák a végén . Elvagyok képedve hogy mennyit tanították ezt a gyereket.

  • Fantasztikus! Nagyon szépen játsza Lisztet! A gyerek életibe mást se csinált csak a zongorát gyilkolta XDXD

  • from what i gather from readings this piece was written while Liszt was aquainted with Berlioz, and Liszt derived his Rakoczy March(hungarian rhapsody #14 from a Berlioz piece and Berlioz also influenced the Symphonic Poem Les Prelude, these are texural opinions Of course. It is a fine performance,Master Tiempo is very lively in the performance, I have heard only a few performances better of this piece.

  • Over the top, dramatic, and a complete show-off.  Just ast Liszt would have wanted it. :)

  • this guy has to be kidding with the hair...lol this should seriously b on mad tv or something...but his playing is very emotional and attractive in that right...lol i guess he's just an emotional/dramatic dude...but the hair is like...laughable...i mean the way he shakes his hair throughout his playing, that's beyond emotional playing, that's pure show and vanity...but his playing makes up for his hair..even though his hair is a distraction...

  • Liszt sold his soul to the devil to be as technically good as Paganini. His contract was this Waltz written in Liszt's blood - this piece is Liszt's human soul - each note a color of his soul's purity and darkness.

    Moreover, Satan wanted his own Waltz to dance to, something that would be loud enough to cover up the loud sound his hooves made when hitting the floor; despite the soft piano parts.

    Wikipedia Entry

  • This is aweseome, he makes it seem so easy and light, yet dramatic.

  • he has unbelievable technical facility - zero obstacles. and his technique is almost exactly like argerich, it's not a surprise he was her protoge.

    i like his style, its different and fresh. i dont see why everyone has to give him crap for being unique and even a bit eccentric, there's not much room in the world today to play generically.

  • Martha should give him a Lexotan before the performance...

  • No kidding...

  • She can teach every pupil how to performer except him...

    He seems to have an extra energy that could be nice, but since a know his interpretation it have been a big trouble. Too much youth?

  • hm... mephisto waltz for the caffeinated listener's ear!

  • Is really an overdone manierism kind of playing. I just can`t believe he studied with the great Argerich. He play notes very fast (too much) and clean in a weird kind of technique, but the musical level is not balanced. Prashings are not defined.

    bahhh ...

    Frateramadeus.

  • nice overall though i really didn't like his "random loud notes" his thirds in the right hand during the transition were very clear though i distinctly remeber them being mark p at leaste......

  • This is so Argerich. Liked it,

  • Cziffras is way better. no offense.

  • Do you know Horowitz's recording of 1979 ? Gorgeous and magic.

  • Tiempo should have taken a class of how to play this walz propoerly with master Cziffra. There you will find what I am telling from quite a long time ago. This interpretation is awsome if we only take a look at his dynamics, his power, and his octaves, but I'm asking you: where is the romantiscism, where is the tempo giusto of the Rustico part, where is the sadness and loneliness of the devil's soul (to say so) in the repeated notes?

    Nop, I don't agree with most of you, sorry.