The difference is Christians dont take their religion seriously when a religious leader says something in Europe we laugh but when an Ayatollah gives orders they fucking do it.
it was a book that was revealed over a period of 23 years and i would like to imagine that perhaps some commenters below would have hardly known this important fact which shows that many things happened during the life time of the prophet (pbuh); including the battles that verses in the quran may refer to
this was a very interesting debate, so i am grateful that it has been posted up. i think its an important point to state, that the quran is not a piecemeal book, and this has to be understood clearly when we talk about 'context' of the verses that have been picked out by extremists and critics alike to justify their interpretation of it.
Kathryn Wakeling articulated the situation perfectly. Her rightful defense of The Biblical position was executed perfectly. People must realize that there is a profound difference between the murderous Islamic texts and that of the OT in The Bible.
One of these days an idiot is going to mention the "1 BILLION MUSLIMS" bs too often and someone is going to ask. "How come you don't get as many 30 plus terrorist attacks by 2 BILLION CHRISTIANS" if the texts all say the same thing.
An argument was brought up that I find myself saying often. While all three of the immutable ramblings of illiterate prophets should have their books shut for eternity, Islam poses a particular threat.
The point is, yes Moses was a genocidal maniac, a conqueror and a murderer. But the voice in his head only told him that this was to be done on one land, not the entire world.
Jesus cares not for you in this life, or for war, or for lands and riches. He is patiently waiting to get you in the
Mohammed on the other hand was a conquerer. His voice, in his head, told him he is to bring Islam to the entire world. Either by forcing choice, or death, period. And that is very clear. These contextual nonsense arguments are a hijacking of legitimate scholarly research where studying context was to find equivocation in certain words and phrases. Islam was to be brought to the world by first, peace and if conversion was turned down then death. And thats seen throughout the Quran.
@Checkpoint360 Thank you. I am an ex-muslim, and I've done a lot of research into Islam. I wanted to make a comment, but you took the words right out of my mouth. The people on the show are just spinning the issue and are being far too PC. That black guy was the only one making any real sense. Yes, ISLAM HAS A PROBLEM. They need to shut up and face the music - the religion is violent & has for too long intimidated its OWN people from rejecting or criticising those beliefs for fear of execution!
@Checkpoint360 Mohamed(pbuh) is the most well documented human being to have ever lived on earth, if you actually study on not listen to others you will agree that he was known as the most trustworthy amongst the arabs of that time, islam ruled the world up until the late 1800's/early 1900's, islam is the only religion that can cure STD's, can cure homosexuallity, can cure racism, islam is the solution to the current atheist worlds problems all you gotta do is read.
Douglas Murray on top form as ever. We all know what the penalty for apostasy is , and even the 'moderates' pussyfoot around this, and subscribe to this teaching.
I couldn't (well in fact I could) believe that guy comparing the CSC to the fascists stirring up racial tension in cable street, but what can you expect from this blinkered fools.
So true, I'm literally tearing out my hair when I hear someone call fascists secularists. So when the Pope gave his blessing (god's blessing - after all, he's his rep on earth) to Mussolini and Franco AND Hitler, this was secularism? Murray rocks.
Great discussion. I know no one cares what my opinion is, but i'll give it anyway. I think douglas murray's statements at about 4:00 said it best. The Islam apologists fail to recognize that the extremism is a problem and condemn it. If they did that, I don't think there would be any need for discussion.
they really need to make these longer
ahd200 1 month ago
The difference is Christians dont take their religion seriously when a religious leader says something in Europe we laugh but when an Ayatollah gives orders they fucking do it.
NefariousVirtuoso88 3 months ago
do "peaceful" non-Muslims understand the concept of putting scripture in context?
i think these non-Muslims are making a fool out of themselves...
truth101 9 months ago
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All of these lies only makes ma stronger Muslim...
truth101 9 months ago
No there are not millions of interpretations of texts. People can be unbelievably stupid.
SyKmGl 9 months ago
LOL Conquered.... errrrrrr I mean liberated...
daymyth 1 year ago
Lets face it Islam has the hardest job in the world right now, convincing it's good will...
ExtremeBogom 1 year ago
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mujahidahmunu 1 year ago
it was a book that was revealed over a period of 23 years and i would like to imagine that perhaps some commenters below would have hardly known this important fact which shows that many things happened during the life time of the prophet (pbuh); including the battles that verses in the quran may refer to
mujahidahmunu 1 year ago
this was a very interesting debate, so i am grateful that it has been posted up. i think its an important point to state, that the quran is not a piecemeal book, and this has to be understood clearly when we talk about 'context' of the verses that have been picked out by extremists and critics alike to justify their interpretation of it.
mujahidahmunu 1 year ago
yes it does
octobubble 1 year ago
I love the big Questions :) Thanks for posting this, because i've just relaised, this is the one that i sat in the audience :)
thingywithnumbers 1 year ago
Kathryn Wakeling articulated the situation perfectly. Her rightful defense of The Biblical position was executed perfectly. People must realize that there is a profound difference between the murderous Islamic texts and that of the OT in The Bible.
elitegumby 1 year ago
One of these days an idiot is going to mention the "1 BILLION MUSLIMS" bs too often and someone is going to ask. "How come you don't get as many 30 plus terrorist attacks by 2 BILLION CHRISTIANS" if the texts all say the same thing.
chachieb 2 years ago
because christian lands are not being invaded and plundered by muslim armys. muslims are oppressed in palestine,afghanistan, iraq etc.
mukhtar66 2 years ago
You silly fool, Syria, Jordan, Egypt, Turkey WERE ALL CHRISTIAN LANDS INVADED AND PLUNDERED BY MUSLIM ARMIES, AND SLAVE OWNERS.
chachieb 2 years ago
An argument was brought up that I find myself saying often. While all three of the immutable ramblings of illiterate prophets should have their books shut for eternity, Islam poses a particular threat.
The point is, yes Moses was a genocidal maniac, a conqueror and a murderer. But the voice in his head only told him that this was to be done on one land, not the entire world.
Jesus cares not for you in this life, or for war, or for lands and riches. He is patiently waiting to get you in the
Checkpoint360 2 years ago 2
afterlife.
Mohammed on the other hand was a conquerer. His voice, in his head, told him he is to bring Islam to the entire world. Either by forcing choice, or death, period. And that is very clear. These contextual nonsense arguments are a hijacking of legitimate scholarly research where studying context was to find equivocation in certain words and phrases. Islam was to be brought to the world by first, peace and if conversion was turned down then death. And thats seen throughout the Quran.
Checkpoint360 2 years ago 3
@Checkpoint360 Thank you. I am an ex-muslim, and I've done a lot of research into Islam. I wanted to make a comment, but you took the words right out of my mouth. The people on the show are just spinning the issue and are being far too PC. That black guy was the only one making any real sense. Yes, ISLAM HAS A PROBLEM. They need to shut up and face the music - the religion is violent & has for too long intimidated its OWN people from rejecting or criticising those beliefs for fear of execution!
spankthamunkey 1 year ago
@Checkpoint360 Mohamed(pbuh) is the most well documented human being to have ever lived on earth, if you actually study on not listen to others you will agree that he was known as the most trustworthy amongst the arabs of that time, islam ruled the world up until the late 1800's/early 1900's, islam is the only religion that can cure STD's, can cure homosexuallity, can cure racism, islam is the solution to the current atheist worlds problems all you gotta do is read.
bunce101 11 months ago
people keep clapping at the wrong time!lol
"yeah well i think that (clap,clap) that islam is a peaceful (clap,clap)religion(no claps)" wtf?lol
BabyGirlGoddess 2 years ago
Douglas Murray on top form as ever. We all know what the penalty for apostasy is , and even the 'moderates' pussyfoot around this, and subscribe to this teaching.
I couldn't (well in fact I could) believe that guy comparing the CSC to the fascists stirring up racial tension in cable street, but what can you expect from this blinkered fools.
akindofblue 2 years ago 4
So true, I'm literally tearing out my hair when I hear someone call fascists secularists. So when the Pope gave his blessing (god's blessing - after all, he's his rep on earth) to Mussolini and Franco AND Hitler, this was secularism? Murray rocks.
201curzonst 2 years ago
Great discussion. I know no one cares what my opinion is, but i'll give it anyway. I think douglas murray's statements at about 4:00 said it best. The Islam apologists fail to recognize that the extremism is a problem and condemn it. If they did that, I don't think there would be any need for discussion.
dmlauffer 2 years ago 2
interesting discussion. Thank you for this.
rulllar 2 years ago 3