@TronPauI That's stupid. Abortion in the third trimester is murder, and when you vote pro-choice you vote for partial birth abortion when the baby is 7-9 months old and is capable of living on his/her own.
@TronPauI Your an idiot, sperm is just a single cell that cant even undergo Mitosis. Ron Makes a good point, how ever I dont agree that abortion should be denied at early stages. How ever his point as a doctor being able get sued over effecting a week old baby makes you think differently.
@neopadro The ability to undergoe mitosis does not make life less sacred. Sperm can live outside of a man's penis and therefore must be protected. Every sperm that dies do to mastubation is murdered. Masturbation is an act of violence.
Under Ron Paul, religious people will move to heart land. People with Liberal mind sets will move to California and New York. CA and NY will thrive. Heart land will suffer.
I like this guy. I may not agree with his positions all the time, but his ideas are based off of logic and a feel for the law and constitution. He doesn't just blindly throw jesus into the conversation.
Ron Paul is against abortion, but believes in the right of free will, as our Lord God has given us,If free will is taken away from us then how could we be judged for our actions, further more how can we be made responsible .If a woman is raped or going to die from a illness,can I decide for her, or should she be able to make that decision?. NO ABORTION IS WRONG AS RON PAUL SAYS , but its not up to me or you or the Government.
@jessica5666 When they give us a cure for cancer I will believe that their first priority regarding stem cell research, is to save lives, rather than profit perpetually. Nothing more at this point needs to be funded by the government, we CANNOT afford it. And besides Ron Paul isn't against stem-cell research. Oh yeah...and the medical industry doesn't care about you, sorry. they care about money. Which is why they haven't actually found any real cures for anything serious.
This is blowing my mind. Whether Roe creates a legal possibility for full-term fetuses to be aborted, it isn't relevant because that isn't how the law is EXECUTED. There are no full-term abortions in the USA. PERIOD. There are not. It doesn't happen in any legal way. Unless there is a RISK to a woman's life or health, she can't get an abortion after 24 weeks (20 weeks in most states). These account for LESS THAN 1% of all abortions. So-called 'partial birth' is only done to save a woman's life!
@spyron06 That is incorrect. It is less than 2% of abortions which is over a million since there have been over 53 million abortions in the United States alone. And these numbers have not included those needing to terminate pregnancy due to potentially lethal complications. Some states do have the 20-24 week restriction you speak of while others have none. Ron Paul is on the money when he says it is dictated what the doctor can do in the 2nd and 3rd trimesters.
hes right it should be up to the states to allow it but i still think thats unfair to women who cant get to a state that does if they live in one that dosent if they dont have the money to do so. i hate thinking about this issue cause theyr wont be a day when even actually agrees.
@RukaPrijateljstvaBiH look i dont like abortion and would never ask a girl to get one if she got pregnant. but yes adoption should be the thing advacated, but the fact is women should have the right to choose but not every state will allow it, im just pointing out one of the problems that will occur with the way paul sees it. it still more sensible than how we deal with it now though. i just dont think the gov should be enforcing ideas on your body but then again its a whole new person so idk
@RukaPrijateljstvaBiH I read a story of an 11 year old girl that got pregnant from a member of her family a few years back in the town I live in. Are you saying that a sexually abused 11 year old girl should be forced to have a fucking baby and give it up for adoption?
@InsaneMilkshake Look. that is a different story. Underage abortion is completely different. I was talking about adult women, if you didnt read my comment. However, in a case for minors, it should be an option.
@RukaPrijateljstvaBiH That's what I dislike about our government. It's ok for someone of a certain choice but another American does not have that same right. What happened to equality? That's like saying it's ok for poor people to steal because they can't afford their own clothes but rich people can't because they have the money to buy them.
@InsaneMilkshake You cant put a price tag on a life. Abortion for women and abortion for little girls or teens under 18 are completely different subjects. Why should we allow a choice to people to kill babies ? However when you talk about kids having kids, abortion should be an option, little girls should not endure all that trauma. How do you even compare the two ?
@RukaPrijateljstvaBiH Yes. That's a great point. I would say we should also legalize (which I would vote for at my state level) gay adoption to pick up the surplus of orphans that would be created by making abortion illegal. No sarcasm there, I'm serious. There are too many orphans as it is, and studies show that kids can be happy with both hetero and homosexual parents.
@hotchkissrecords You cant put people in groups, so i am in favor of that. They should also legalize gay marriage, because lets face it, it does no harm to anyone, i dont understand why are they scared of a free society.
@RukaPrijateljstvaBiH Probably just fear of change, or just homophobia. But even homophobia shouldn't mean that we restrict their rights. Hell, Alfred Hitchcock was afraid of police, so should we get rid of the police entirely because there are people afraid of them? Come on folks, we're all humans, and if you were born in the US, then you get the same rights as me. Live free or die. That's not a threat, that slogan is an outcome.
@iampotts02 There are ways to help the situation, start by legalizing adoption for gay couples. For a change in abortion, there needs to be a huge change in society.
God,okay, so if Abortion is outlawed for the 3rd trimester, and only withheld for when a fetus has no heart or brainwaves( if I recall, before the 4th month), can we all STFU about this subject and never talk about it again... Move On already.
I agree with Ron on the point that abortion is a state issue, not a federal one. Gives us the opportunity to vote on it & better define when it is and is not okay to abort (like when he said the baby will surely die AND kill the mother, so they remove it, or in the case of rape). Regardless of where you stand on abortion, how can you not support Ron when he's saying it's NOT UP TO FEDS, it's up to the people!
@mecher3k Your argument is baseless. The death penalty is a state issue. Much like how a person that kills another person is sentenced to death, then how could you allow a fetus, that will not survive birth (it happens), kill the mother? We have to let the pregnant mother get killed? Because it's nature? Well, cancer is alive and growing in one's body too, and if you cut it out I'll tell you "stop playing god, you must die." Sorry, but there are situations where it makes sense.
@mecher3k WHAT! Then why did you say "stupid people should be shot on sight" and follow with an implication that I fall in that category, as I'm not against abortion either (in certain situations). The quotes in the last post of mine were implying that I was saying something aloud to someone in my hypothetical situation, much like how a narrator is also a character in a story, but they use quotes when they're actually saying something to someone that isn't just the reader.
state rights would put the responsibility back to us people, not fed courts, states i am confident would make the doctor's practices of ab illegal. but the legal and ama system are linked and RP only one who knows this and how to dismantle it.
Here's how I personally think abortion should be dealt with. Women has the right for the removal of the embryo (abortion), but she has no right to kill the baby. Now..ofcourse it's impossible to abort a baby at the age of 2 months and keep it alive. So.. I think that until the age that the baby can survive, the right for the women over her body is more important than life of the baby, but after the baby can survive (medical practice), the women only has right to remove the baby, but not kill it.
because you are sanctimonious and believe that you are morally superior to others. THis is called hubris, and it is consistent with those who are pious to a point of zealotry.
@perfectbark I don't see why you would be so aggressive. I just came out with my opinion and you haven't even touched the subject or stated why I'm wrong.
There are two well written treatises about abortion I can recommend that may broaden your horizons on this very important issue;
When Abortion Was A Crime by Leslie Reagan and
In Defense of Abortion by David Boonin
the conceptus is referred to as an embryo until week 12 gestational age where it is them called a fetus until parturition where it is now a neonate .... or baby. Reproductive biology strongly influenced and guided state laws on abortion and morality.
@perfectbark Thank you, I'm aware of the different terms, but I haven't learned them in English, as I haven't perivously had any need for it. I will now, thank you!
I just happen to think that life starts at conception and following the rule of non-aggression, no-one has the right to kill it. As I said the mothers right over her body is more important than the life of the embryo/fetus/neonate and if they two conflict, mother has the right. I just try to be moraly consistent, yet rational.
Here's a PubMed article from the NE Journal of Medicine about the rate occurrence of spontaneous abortion .... around 25% of which the host was unaware of the pregnancy 22% of the time. Spontaneoous abortion occurs millions of times greater than medical or surgical abortion, and yet we have reached over 7 billion.
Educate yourself. Moral consistency is not congruent with self-perceived moral superiority.
@perfectbark I see. Well.. miscarriage is not an act of violence, so it's not contradicting my beliefs. The main question is: when does life begin? I think that as an unborn can be a legal entity (they can inherit property, at least in some societies) and I don't see why they should be treated as such in other situations. As the unborn is clearly unable to to sign a contract or live by itself, it is a difficult issue and unlike your conviction, I'm NOT stating what i think are absolute truths).
@arxidamos13 lol you're right i can't but it's not because he's right or wrong, it's because i was simply brought up different morally, but i like him and i would vote for him if i could, but i am only 15 :(
When it comes to abortion, I'm stuck in a paradox. A person should have the right to do whatever they want with their body, this goes for pregnant woman. But do you consider the baby to still be part of the woman's body or do you consider it to be a whole separate individual?
@Chimichanga12594 It's such a hard issue because if the baby is wanted, killing the fetus is considered malpractice or murder, but if the baby is unwanted, now the fetus can be aborted. It's like saying a baby is only a life if the mother wants it to be. But then what about rape victims and so on. Not an easy question.
As a constitutionalist it could be impossible to define laws where life becomes Real Life after a number of months after conception. So for Ron to be true to himself life can only begin at conception. And people might have to adjust to that. Careful playing around with semens near the female apparatus.
@meloditus To be honest i think that abortion is a moral issue and is something that has to be decided upon every single individual circumstance, i.g. a 10 year old girl was raped, or an uncaring teen who constantly gets pregnant. very different and extreme cases but i think it's a lot more complex than making it simply illegal to all or legal. btw i am a huge supporter of ron paul sooo :)
@klaudio567 Well put it this way, abortion is only murder to those with that moral idea. therefore any who oppose this idea of murder has a different view on it. clearly. I don't know when i said that murder and rape are moral issues. But I'm telling you now that that is not even close to what i was trying to get across.
@ABSpryteCube no but what im saying is that just because its a moral issue dose not mean its not what it is. if everyone said rape was ok dose it make it ok.
@klaudio567 Actually, almost everything in our society is based solely on what the majority thinks...i'll give you an example, from OUR point of view, Terrorists are evil and savages and Osama bin Laden was the worst human being on the planet, that's OUR Society's point of view, HOWEVER,
@klaudio567 when you go to Al-qaeda trainees they think that capitalism and democracy are the biggest threat to there national security, the majority of THEIR society agrees with that. Is it right? well it depends on what country you were born into, and what your family's morals are. and Ron Paul HIMSELF has claimed that most "Terrorists" are acting logically and defensively.(sorry ran out of space) it just depends on what side you're looking at from
@nosferotica1 Well i don't know about that, i was expressing my freedom of speech, although i'm a huge supporter of Ron Paul, but, hey, we can't agree on EVERYTHING lol
@mrabdrum I disagree. Most pro lifers rate the importance of a bunch of cells more than someone who is actually alive and a distinct being. I'm of the opinion that the mum is more important and its that that means I support a woman's right to abort.
@maskofsan1ty well to be honest I see both positions (totally pro-life/ totally pro-abortion) as silly. Why? pro-life means that two cells should not be killed because they're a baby. Pro-abortion means an 8 month old kid can be killed. Both seem ridiculous to me. It just seems that people have to agree on an age at which the being inside the mother can be called a human baby... otherwise the fight between both sides will continue..
I only wonder one thing about his stance. Is he against an amendment if we could do it? If anyone knows this could they show me a link to support it please. I've been looking for this.
As I suspected Ron Paul's pro-life stance does not override his anti-pharma stance and opens the libertarian floodgates to states voting independently on the morning-after pill. I love it. He's a brilliant man and he has my vote. If he can make peace with this divisive issue, he's a saint - an absolute saint. I agree that abortion-objectors should not have to pay for abortions even though they benefit from abortion (less crime welfare). So states will make morning after pills for free. You watch
Those women that abort their children are murderers. What are they? MURDERERS. They just never want to admit it and so they try and find ways to make it be considered as not murder. That is something they will never find - an illusion. Face it, if your Mom aborted you then you will never have been here. Unfortunately abortion has become just another business in this nation - a rather nasty one...
@DjMunchkinG What about rape or if the mother doesn't have the proper conditions to raise a child and pay for maternal centres. It's kinder to the child to let them die rather than cause suffering on multiple people. In the case of rape or a broken condom it isn't the parents fault that they have a child and how would a child grow up possibly unloved in the case of rape or knowing he wasn't wanted.
@LusoAustralian broken condom is irrelevant, by having sex with consent you must acknowledge the risks of a pregnancy. Rape is another issue entirely which should be dealt adequately with the morning after pill which Dr. Paul has suggested himself. Alternatively the main theme of abortion is to stop "involuntary servitude" of the mother, which I don't acknowledge is the case with consent but is in the case of rape.
@DjMunchkinG Then, all women who had more than one period are serial killers!!@#!1 Abortion is not murder. Fetus cannot talk, think, cannot live outside of mothers body, cannot feel, and it disturbs a womens 9 months of life. You're really stupid.
@DarknesSoldier your logic is flawed, a 2 month old baby cannot talk, think, or live without constant support from the mother, or another, your argument could be used to justify infanticide. Your argument is essentially that you can decide your baby should die because it "disturbs a woman's* [body for] 9 months of life." As soon as you can decide that others are unworthy to live because they are an inconvenience to you, where does it end?
@DarknesSoldier That is a really vile way of thinking and to call others stupid while associating a period to an abortion is both hilariously ironic and morally bankrupt. By consenting to sex a woman must acknowledge their responsibility as an adult and a potential mother. The fact that the mother has sex while too poor, or not in a committed relationship is not the developing child's fault.
@GrowTheTruth notice "by consenting to sex" before talking about the exceptional cases of rape in which I agree the mother shouldn't be held responsible for but should in any case take the morning after pill in the case of rape (which Ron Paul advocates too).
Killing other people doesn't fall under the right to privacy and if people choose to murder they should do so without the governments approval.
Killing a foetus is not their own body, it is killing the body of another person.
@turdrhinofiend (2/2) ..."the thalamo-cortical complex that provides consciousness with its highly elaborate content, begins to be in place between the 24th and 28th week of gestation" & "thus, many of the circuit elements necessary for consciousness are in place by the 3rd trimester. By this time, preterm infants can survive outside the womb under proper medical care".
You can't kill something if it's not even alive in regards to consciousness.
@turdrhinofiend (1/2) A human's development goes like this: zygote, blastocyst, embryo, fetus and then baby.
Science has shown that the brain doesn't even develop most of its neurological parts that are the basis for consciousness until the 3rd trimester. This was found by a study that concluded...
This guy's incredible. The debate moderators are supposed to be independent, or at least fair to other positions. The woman asks him about late 3rd trimester abortions, she is being convinced that he is correct as she is asking questions. Ron Paul is definitely right; he is one of the best debaters I have ever seen and he is a doctor above all. A doctor is exactly who we need to fix our health care system.
He's a perfect example of religion poisoning the mind of an otherwise very reasonable guy. But I guess as long as Christians are a majority in the US, there won't be much progress on that front.
Ron Paul makes no sense concerning abortion. Also it is not constitutional to legislate termination of inncocent human life on any government level. Government is suppose to protect inncocent human life; not legislate laws to destroy it. Ron Paul is for allowing the states to chose to destroy innocent human life and then claims being pro-life. That is low in decieving the people and perhaps himself. Politics as usual with Ron Paul. Let me pee on your leg and tell you it's raining.
@kodachromefilm Women have the right to choose and that will never change. We no longer live in the dark ages of oppression. To inform: 88% of abortions occur in the first trimester (this is one to 12 weeks) and less than 2% in the third trimester (27 weeks until birth). A foetus can not feel pain until the 28th week, as before this it lacks the necessary neuroanatomical structure. We have a severe over population problem as it is, banning abortions would cripple the US.
@kodachromefilm No. I am not. I am just judging you by your words. No insult intended, but your concepts are far from reality and common sense. Which tells me you are either confident in your lying, mocking, or far removed from reality on this subject. That's all.
A Tubal Pregnancy is somewhat puzzling, because if the baby is living and if it could be removed from the tube and put in it's proper position, which is in the uterus of the Mother, I would deem it murder to take the baby's life. Why hasn't science delved into saving a Tubal Baby? I find this rather puzzling. If babies can be produced in Petri Dishes, then certainly that living Baby could be removed, if proper procedures were developed, and then placed into the uterus. Just a thought.
Embryonic stem cells are derived via in vitro (say, a man and a woman can't get pregnant on their own and must grow the embryo before it is put into the woman). But there are often multiple trials from the same man and woman until they have successful growth. The remaining growing embryos can be frozen for later (expensive), destroyed, or donated for research. I guess it all comes down to are you going to destroy a possible life, or use it to save another?
I could never have an abortion just because I think that is just horrible! If it has a heart beat its alive.But ive never been put in a situation that I would even think about it
life does begin at conception its a fact, so then abortion should only be done in cases of rape or incest and if the abortion is needed for the survival of the mother, not just cause you are a whore .
This is why I will not vote for Ron Paul. He agrees that abortion is an act of violence, but yet he simply just wants to wash his hands of it. He is not fighting to have it outlawed outright, he is just saying well, let the states or someone else decide whether or not it is ok. Um no! Then you dont need to be president if you cannot fight for your belief that abortion is violence and put an end to it!
An direct and honest discussion. So refreshing. Even if I disagree with him on some points... I want a leader who isn't a sulking coward hiding behind talking points... disrespecting everyone by trying to fool people with a facade. This man is Presidential. This man leads.
Thanks Ron Paul for making this clear. I hope more people listen to you and "Pray to End Abortion." Ron Paul is the only one who thinks clearly on how to stop this manslaughter.
Abortion IS an act of violence. Stabbing a pair of surgical scissors into the base of a baby's skull or sucking a little fetus out of someone with a vacuum is violence.
I'm a Ron Paul supporter, but I've never understood the abortion angle. I mean, everything else regarding what people decide to do with their bodies, he believes is their choice. But it's a sensitive issue, no doubt.
@BWHORROR he is saying that it isnt up to him. it is what presidents should have been saying since abortion came about is "Leave it to the states" the president will not fund either way so he is in the right
@BWHORROR He doesn't believe it's their choice, he believes it's the state's choice. He also personally believes it is wrong to have an abortion. Hopefully, if he gets elected some states will ban abortion. Depending on the situation, I believe people should be accountable for murder if they have an abortion. Both the operator and the mother having the abortion.
@LxE100 the only person that can decide if to give birth or not is the woman.nature decided that way and u can't do shit about it.a lot of animals kill their little ones for different reasons,that's nature!your religion is just a copy of older sun dieteis like horus,mythra,krishna etc.check them on google you ignorant retard!
@geiuy Yes, ultimately the woman giving birth to the child will decide whether that baby lives or not as of now. The problem with this, is that it is actually murder and there should be a Federal law against abortion. Yes, animals do a lot of different things for different reasons. Too bad the Bible tells us that murder is a sin. Abortion is murder. The Catholic Faith is actually much different than all of those Gods. I already have read up on some of them, and the stories are much different.
@LxE100 The idea to ban abortion is actually as very bad one. When women couldn't abort, they found ways, and often two lives would end instead of one. While I can't tell a person to agree with it or not, banning abortion takes away women's rights, and it'll do way more damage than good. Poverty, abusive parenting, adoption centers becoming even more full than already. I personally would never get an abortion, but banning abortion won't stop it, and will likely do more damage than good.
@Dollreviewz155 Banning abortion takes away women's rights? Please explain this to me. I think having an abortion takes away a human's life which you can't even argue with. Poverty, abusive parenting, adoption centers becoming even more full than already is just you assuming things. These are called false assumptions because many adopted children live happy and succesful lives too. If a woman feels she needs to take her life just to have an abortion, so be it. Abortion is muder.
@LxE100 It takes away the women's right to do what they want with THEIR body. I don't agree to taking away anothers life, however, who's to say when life begins for a fetus? There is no proven fact on that statement. The only thing we can go by is our own assumption. I believe life starts when it's actually conscious and when it's nervous system is developed and running. However over 90% of abortions happen before then. And because it can't live without the support and use of anothers body(cont)
@Dollreviewz155 No, it isn't a right to take someone's life away without their consent. This is murder. Well, no one has the right to decide when life begins, so once a fetus comes into existence, that is the only reasonable proof life exists. Listen, how does 1 second of time decide whether a human has life or not? No, just because a human fetus can't live without its mother because all life needs to start this way, doesn't mean it doesn't deserve it's own life. This is false. -->
@LxE100 Again as I said, I don't believe it is it's own life. That's you making your own assumption on when life begins which is fine, you can believe that. But that doesn't help your argument if you're trying to convince me otherwise. It is ALIVE, but it doesn't own rights to it's own life. After all if you're against it for that reason then I assume you're against men masturbating as well? And I assume you're probably vegan then too?
@LxE100 (cont) it doesn't own it's own life. So it's life is not it's own. It doesn't get to make the choice for itself cause by the time it's aborted it isn't even aware of it's surroundings.
No it's not. It's a FACT. I actually read upon this stuff and I know people who were or are in those exact situations. I never said adopted children don't live happy lives, actually majority live very nice lives. However that doesn't exclude from the fact that adopt centers are FILLED with kids (cont)
@Dollreviewz155 <-- "It doesn't get to make the choice for itself cause by the time it's aborted it isn't even aware of it's surroundings." - This again is a false statement. Many fetuses who are in their mother's womb are aware they're being injured. You can see them moving away from sharp objects trying to kill them on ultrasounds. Well, I'm sure even kids who end up with no parents are atleast happy to be alive. The second before a fetus is born, it isn't human?
@LxE100 And no they're not. A fetus is not aware of it's surroundings till around 24 weeks or so. The brain needs to be developed enough to be aware of it's surroundings. And until the brain is developed enough for it to be conscious can then, the fetus feel pain. As for moving, that's a part of their development, but in no way does it mean they're aware of it. Kind of like how you're unaware that you're moving while you sleep.
@LxE100 So are you telling me it's better for a child to be living on this earth suffering just because it's another life added onto this earth? Please elaborate why it is better for a person to suffer rather than just not be alive at all. Do I wish death upon them? No, I'd just rather a person not even be born instead of them living on earth suffering.
@Dollreviewz155 Yes, I'm saying it is better for a child to live even when you know it will suffer. Why? Well, because no one knows when that suffering might end, and you don't even know how that person would feel. Maybe they would rather live with some suffering than be murdered before they even get a chance to do something in life. You actually are wishing death upon them by supporting pro-choice. Wanting a person to be murdered instead of living suffering is surely wishing death upon them.
@LxE100 Actually I know very well how many people who have suffered feel. Many to the point where they want to kill themselves because traumatizing moments haunt them or their currently living a shitty life. You've obviously lived it WAY too easy. So CLEARLY you have absolutely NO understanding whatsoever of how a person feels when they suffer. Can I say the same? No. I don't fully understand how they feel, all I know is that life, for them, is SHIT. (cont)
@LxE100 And honestly, to wish for them to continue suffering when no, not many ever actually WANT to live, being the reason for thousands of people committing suicide, is MUCH more selfish and cruel than to abort a fetus that feels nothing emotionally or physically. You're allowing constant pain to be brought onto them. Life isn't that amazing kid. It's not sparkles and fairytales and sunshine like you believe it to be. It's rough, cruel, and fucked up. Not in EVERY case, but in a lot. (cont)
@Dollreviewz155 Your thinking is unreasonable. I assure you, I'd much rather live being poor than be killed. Many people would agree with me. Suicides aren't even relevant to this. Many people commit suicide who were never adopted, and lived in rich families. It's an invalid argument. If these people feel they don't want to live anymore, so be it. I think they have more of a right to decide when they die than you do. Don't you think?
@LxE100 Well you're not living poor so how can you make that assumption? You don't know how they feel as you've made rather clear. (BTW being rich doesn't equal a good life). Did I ever claim that I had the right to end their life? You don't seem to be reading my argument correctly at all. Or you just don't get what I'm trying to explain.
PS - I'm pro-CHOICE, not pro-abortion. If I was I'd agree to have ALL fetus's aborted, but I don't. I believe it is the MOTHERS right.
@Dollreviewz155 I've seen the lives of people living poor. Besides that, the only person who should decide whether someone lives or not, is the innocent person that it's happening to. Exactly, being rish doesn't equal good life necessarily, just like being really poor doesn't mean a bad life necessarily. I'm reading your argument perfectly correct. You don't even realize what you're saying half the time. Being pro-choice, you're saying anyone has the right to kill their child. -->
@LxE100 Well, they can't. Because they don't have the ability to. So, no, they can't :)
There's quite a difference though. When you're poor you're neglected of all needs. Food, warm shelter, clean clothes, education. If people were so fine with being poor they wouldn't be trying to get jobs.
No, it means we're okay with what a woman choose to do with her body. I don't like abortion dude but in most cases it's the only option a woman has.
@Dollreviewz155 Again, it's a false assumption to believe every kid should die just because he's going to be poor or suffer. Some people feel that suffering makes them more humble. You don't know if one of those aborted babies you don't even know will suffer if they're born, might just be okay with suffering or being poor. Abortion is murder. Do you not understand? A fetus is a child... I'm very open minded, but murder is wrong, and I won't open my mind to make sins become okay.
@LxE100 I'm really starting to question your intelligence on this subject. You honestly don't seem to know what you're talking about and you continue to spew shit with no facts behind it. I should of known you'd refuse to even be slightly open-minded on the subject. It's my fault though. I should have known I'd be wasting my time.
@Dollreviewz155 <-- Pro choice is the same thing as pro abortion. You believe it's okay to have an abortion... This is very easy to understand and yet, you still fail to. And yes, by claiming parents have the right to kill their children, it's saying you have the right to kill your children.
@LxE100 (cont) And no, I don't wish death upon them, I wish peace. And the only people that suffer when it comes to death are those that are already living, not the person that is dead. I don't wish death on anyone nor would I. I just wish that if that person had the opportunity to not be born into a suffering world where they're treated like shit to the point where they want to kill themselves, I would. Being unborn and dead are different. Sadly only one is possible, but I don't wish for it.
@Dollreviewz155 No... Saying you would rather murder a person than see them suffering clearly means you wish death upon them. To deny that is lying. Being unborn means you were either never conceived in the first place or you were murdered in your mother's womb. Your thinking is psychologically flawed just like any pro abortionist.
@LxE100 (cont) And sadly not all kids are adopted and many end up living on the streets. While it's not the majority, that doesn't make it any less of a problem. My assumptions aren't false, it's happening all the time. And even if you were to exclude the number of abortions done a year, people dying from disease or even starvation, we're STILL reproducing more than we're killing. Am I saying kill people? No. However I do not believe a fetus is a person. (cont)
@LxE100 (cont) and until you provide me with proof on that then I will continue to believe so. I'd rather put the world and the people already living in it first long before I am to put a fetus first.
Still gonna vote for Ron Paul though :D I still believe he is a good choice for president ^_^
Wow... so you're anti abortion (read; anti woman's rights) aswell as a homophobic piece of human excrement (saw your comments on that other vid), both views based on some archaic book of fairy tales which (let's face it) is even worse a guide regarding how to live your life than "5 easy steps on how to beat your wife, by McScruffy".
You sir/ma'am disgust me beyond what words can describe.
@Seymour13 In other words, I'm anti murder. I'm not homophobic at all. Just because I see homosexuality as something wrong doesn't mean I'm discriminative towards them. I'm sorry but to beleive the Bible is a book of fairy tales is absurd. Many Bible stories have been proven true. Many people were disgusted by Jesus Christ too. Some people just can't find real love because they blind themselves from the truth through ignorance and denial.
I'm afraid it's a bit of a broader term than that.
"Homophobia: Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards homosexuality and people who are identified as or perceived as being homosexual. Definitions refer variably to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and irrational fear."
There's even a name for LxE's specific brand of homophobia; "institutionalized homophobia (e.g. religious homophobia and state-sponsored homophobia)".
@LxE100 lol saying normal smart ppl dont have any love just because they dont beleive in something stupid as the bible. you are the ignorant one srsly a talking snake?? turning water to wine? being gay is something they cant help so just let them, how can it be wrong? why do you care what ppl are doin in the bedroom?
@BWHORROR The fact is they aren't just deciding what to do with their own bodies. They are also deciding whether another person (the baby) lives or dies.
I love Ron Paul but this is where he's going to get caught up on this issue. I love the question: If you make a law against abortion who goes to jail? That is a totally fair question. He doesn't know the answer to that. I think when a fair question is asked you should give a fair answer and not give a smart non-answer answer. He saves this by saying it's a states issue which takes it out of his hands. Not the best way to answer this but it does work.
Ron Paul doesnt want states funding abortion or birth control. I guess he doesnt realize that most women seeking abortions are very poor that never had access to condoms and birth control in the first place. These women are so poor that the states would be forced to pay all these women medical bills to ensure the baby comes out health Also women that give up their children for adoption typically face severe mental trauma and regret and the states would have to pay for all these woman treatment
Oh no! Se seems so good on the outside but then shit like this comes up... Abortion is an act of violence? Oh boy... And I believed for a second he was an atheist.... Oh well, he's anyways a billion times better candidate than any other republican. If the people have to vote against Obama, I hope it'll be Paul who they replace him with... Not gonna happen though... He's way too smart for the Republican America and the tea-bagger voters.
it's really nice just to hear Dr. Paul talk. the way he speaks has this subtle charm to it, where he's not just trying to win you over with charisma, but uses fine detail and factual accounts to support his ideas.
i've noticed he often gives quite long answers to questions but, as he mentions, there are sometimes just no easy answers to give. it's nice to hear him explain things in-depth and deserves much more respect on this issue than that joke Herman Cain.
@AtomicAtari Totallly agree, it's tragic that Cain is getting so much more run than Dr. Paul, esp. considering he hasn't been in the public arena nearly as long, yet manages to still get support from the media and mindless slogan loving supporters.
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reptile1000 1 day ago
i think abortion should be legal before the fetish is three months old
reptile1000 1 day ago
Im debating between Romney And Paul. Paul certainly seems to know what the fuck is up. haha.
xxmatt4444xx 2 days ago 2
Life begins at ejaculation. Masturbation is murder!!
TronPauI 3 days ago
@TronPauI That's stupid. Abortion in the third trimester is murder, and when you vote pro-choice you vote for partial birth abortion when the baby is 7-9 months old and is capable of living on his/her own.
FrancescaLiberti 3 days ago
@FrancescaLiberti Life begins at ejaculation. Every sperm that dies during masturbation is murdered!! Every sperm has a right to life!
TronPauI 3 days ago
@TronPauI Your an idiot, sperm is just a single cell that cant even undergo Mitosis. Ron Makes a good point, how ever I dont agree that abortion should be denied at early stages. How ever his point as a doctor being able get sued over effecting a week old baby makes you think differently.
neopadro 2 days ago
@neopadro The ability to undergoe mitosis does not make life less sacred. Sperm can live outside of a man's penis and therefore must be protected. Every sperm that dies do to mastubation is murdered. Masturbation is an act of violence.
TronPauI 2 days ago
Under Ron Paul, religious people will move to heart land. People with Liberal mind sets will move to California and New York. CA and NY will thrive. Heart land will suffer.
a1mint 4 days ago
I like this guy. I may not agree with his positions all the time, but his ideas are based off of logic and a feel for the law and constitution. He doesn't just blindly throw jesus into the conversation.
FSM1138 4 days ago
Ron Paul is against abortion, but believes in the right of free will, as our Lord God has given us,If free will is taken away from us then how could we be judged for our actions, further more how can we be made responsible .If a woman is raped or going to die from a illness,can I decide for her, or should she be able to make that decision?. NO ABORTION IS WRONG AS RON PAUL SAYS , but its not up to me or you or the Government.
TheDailyDro 5 days ago
im pro-choice, still Ron Paul 2012!
hehefromhere 6 days ago
eh, win some, lose some. ron paul 2012.
furuzon12 6 days ago
Anyone who is against stem cell research is "anti-life" and completely full retarded...
jessica5666 1 week ago
@jessica5666 When they give us a cure for cancer I will believe that their first priority regarding stem cell research, is to save lives, rather than profit perpetually. Nothing more at this point needs to be funded by the government, we CANNOT afford it. And besides Ron Paul isn't against stem-cell research. Oh yeah...and the medical industry doesn't care about you, sorry. they care about money. Which is why they haven't actually found any real cures for anything serious.
FrancescaLiberti 21 hours ago
Leave it up to the states. I like that. I like Ron Paul. GO figure.
jonea16 1 week ago 2
@jonea16
Total cop-out.
ContractorTwobitz 1 week ago
@ContractorTwobitz I bet you got a solution right? I can see it in your eyes! What's better than letting states govern themselves for a while?
jonea16 1 week ago
This is blowing my mind. Whether Roe creates a legal possibility for full-term fetuses to be aborted, it isn't relevant because that isn't how the law is EXECUTED. There are no full-term abortions in the USA. PERIOD. There are not. It doesn't happen in any legal way. Unless there is a RISK to a woman's life or health, she can't get an abortion after 24 weeks (20 weeks in most states). These account for LESS THAN 1% of all abortions. So-called 'partial birth' is only done to save a woman's life!
spyron06 1 week ago
@spyron06 That is incorrect. It is less than 2% of abortions which is over a million since there have been over 53 million abortions in the United States alone. And these numbers have not included those needing to terminate pregnancy due to potentially lethal complications. Some states do have the 20-24 week restriction you speak of while others have none. Ron Paul is on the money when he says it is dictated what the doctor can do in the 2nd and 3rd trimesters.
FrancescaLiberti 21 hours ago
I agree with Ron Paul on this!
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Can the baby survive: Dont do it.
It's impossible for it to survive by any chance: Do it.
Farekim 1 week ago 2
161 people did not watch this to the end.
MrJoelfwilson 2 weeks ago 2
hes right it should be up to the states to allow it but i still think thats unfair to women who cant get to a state that does if they live in one that dosent if they dont have the money to do so. i hate thinking about this issue cause theyr wont be a day when even actually agrees.
channelname0 2 weeks ago
@channelname0 Oh please, those women can always give the baby to adoption. Ever thought of that ?
RukaPrijateljstvaBiH 1 week ago
@RukaPrijateljstvaBiH look i dont like abortion and would never ask a girl to get one if she got pregnant. but yes adoption should be the thing advacated, but the fact is women should have the right to choose but not every state will allow it, im just pointing out one of the problems that will occur with the way paul sees it. it still more sensible than how we deal with it now though. i just dont think the gov should be enforcing ideas on your body but then again its a whole new person so idk
channelname0 1 week ago
@RukaPrijateljstvaBiH I read a story of an 11 year old girl that got pregnant from a member of her family a few years back in the town I live in. Are you saying that a sexually abused 11 year old girl should be forced to have a fucking baby and give it up for adoption?
InsaneMilkshake 1 week ago
@InsaneMilkshake Look. that is a different story. Underage abortion is completely different. I was talking about adult women, if you didnt read my comment. However, in a case for minors, it should be an option.
RukaPrijateljstvaBiH 1 week ago
@RukaPrijateljstvaBiH That's what I dislike about our government. It's ok for someone of a certain choice but another American does not have that same right. What happened to equality? That's like saying it's ok for poor people to steal because they can't afford their own clothes but rich people can't because they have the money to buy them.
InsaneMilkshake 1 week ago
@InsaneMilkshake You cant put a price tag on a life. Abortion for women and abortion for little girls or teens under 18 are completely different subjects. Why should we allow a choice to people to kill babies ? However when you talk about kids having kids, abortion should be an option, little girls should not endure all that trauma. How do you even compare the two ?
RukaPrijateljstvaBiH 1 week ago
@RukaPrijateljstvaBiH
How is it a different story?
Hypocrite.
mecher3k 1 week ago
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@RukaPrijateljstvaBiH
"Oh please, those women can always give the baby to adoption. Ever thought of that ?"
The same adoption system were the average stay is over a year?
And still costs money? Maybe you Anti-choice retards would have a point if you idiots were to adopt kids yourselves.
But considering how you're all hypocrites who are actually most likely to get abortions in the first place, I doubt that will ever happen.
mecher3k 1 week ago
@RukaPrijateljstvaBiH Yes. That's a great point. I would say we should also legalize (which I would vote for at my state level) gay adoption to pick up the surplus of orphans that would be created by making abortion illegal. No sarcasm there, I'm serious. There are too many orphans as it is, and studies show that kids can be happy with both hetero and homosexual parents.
hotchkissrecords 1 week ago
@hotchkissrecords You cant put people in groups, so i am in favor of that. They should also legalize gay marriage, because lets face it, it does no harm to anyone, i dont understand why are they scared of a free society.
RukaPrijateljstvaBiH 1 week ago
@RukaPrijateljstvaBiH Probably just fear of change, or just homophobia. But even homophobia shouldn't mean that we restrict their rights. Hell, Alfred Hitchcock was afraid of police, so should we get rid of the police entirely because there are people afraid of them? Come on folks, we're all humans, and if you were born in the US, then you get the same rights as me. Live free or die. That's not a threat, that slogan is an outcome.
hotchkissrecords 1 week ago
@RukaPrijateljstvaBiH Do you know who many kids already dont have homes???
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@iampotts02 There are ways to help the situation, start by legalizing adoption for gay couples. For a change in abortion, there needs to be a huge change in society.
RukaPrijateljstvaBiH 1 week ago
@RukaPrijateljstvaBiH Oh I agree im all for gay marriage just for that fact! I have three kids I could never understand women that kill there babies!
iampotts02 1 week ago
@RukaPrijateljstvaBiH On the other hand girls that are under age that get pregnant now see that I dont know??
iampotts02 1 week ago
God,okay, so if Abortion is outlawed for the 3rd trimester, and only withheld for when a fetus has no heart or brainwaves( if I recall, before the 4th month), can we all STFU about this subject and never talk about it again... Move On already.
gcpreda 2 weeks ago
I agree with Ron on the point that abortion is a state issue, not a federal one. Gives us the opportunity to vote on it & better define when it is and is not okay to abort (like when he said the baby will surely die AND kill the mother, so they remove it, or in the case of rape). Regardless of where you stand on abortion, how can you not support Ron when he's saying it's NOT UP TO FEDS, it's up to the people!
hotchkissrecords 2 weeks ago
@hotchkissrecords
I agree, let's give it to the state's to decide if stupid people should be shot on sight.
Too bad that would mean your death the day of it's passing.
And how can I not support someone who is against women's rights? Easy, I'm for women's rights.
I'm not fooled by his Orwellian twisting of words, he's a fundie like the rest.
mecher3k 1 week ago
@mecher3k Your argument is baseless. The death penalty is a state issue. Much like how a person that kills another person is sentenced to death, then how could you allow a fetus, that will not survive birth (it happens), kill the mother? We have to let the pregnant mother get killed? Because it's nature? Well, cancer is alive and growing in one's body too, and if you cut it out I'll tell you "stop playing god, you must die." Sorry, but there are situations where it makes sense.
hotchkissrecords 1 week ago
@hotchkissrecords
"We have to let the pregnant mother get killed?"
Um, I'm really think you should learn what quotes mean. As I'm not against abortion.
And "then how could you allow a fetus, that will not survive birth (it happens), kill the mother? We have to let the pregnant mother get killed?"
Yea, some states WANT JUST FUCKING THAT.
mecher3k 1 week ago
@mecher3k WHAT! Then why did you say "stupid people should be shot on sight" and follow with an implication that I fall in that category, as I'm not against abortion either (in certain situations). The quotes in the last post of mine were implying that I was saying something aloud to someone in my hypothetical situation, much like how a narrator is also a character in a story, but they use quotes when they're actually saying something to someone that isn't just the reader.
hotchkissrecords 1 week ago
Thumbs way up for Ron Raul!!
selinah3 2 weeks ago
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state rights would put the responsibility back to us people, not fed courts, states i am confident would make the doctor's practices of ab illegal. but the legal and ama system are linked and RP only one who knows this and how to dismantle it.
student507 2 weeks ago
I like Ron Paul, and I agree with him on abortion...
joelegardner 2 weeks ago
Is it just me or does ron paul look like Magneto??
AutechVersion 2 weeks ago
@perfectbark
old is not always bad and new is not always good.
DifferentYetNormal 2 weeks ago
Here's how I personally think abortion should be dealt with. Women has the right for the removal of the embryo (abortion), but she has no right to kill the baby. Now..ofcourse it's impossible to abort a baby at the age of 2 months and keep it alive. So.. I think that until the age that the baby can survive, the right for the women over her body is more important than life of the baby, but after the baby can survive (medical practice), the women only has right to remove the baby, but not kill it.
xxxrrrxxxrrr 2 weeks ago
@xxxrrrxxxrrr
Ugh, ignorance....
mecher3k 2 weeks ago
@mecher3k Because...
xxxrrrxxxrrr 2 weeks ago
@xxxrrrxxxrrr
because you are sanctimonious and believe that you are morally superior to others. THis is called hubris, and it is consistent with those who are pious to a point of zealotry.
perfectbark 2 weeks ago
@perfectbark I don't see why you would be so aggressive. I just came out with my opinion and you haven't even touched the subject or stated why I'm wrong.
xxxrrrxxxrrr 2 weeks ago
There are two well written treatises about abortion I can recommend that may broaden your horizons on this very important issue;
When Abortion Was A Crime by Leslie Reagan and
In Defense of Abortion by David Boonin
the conceptus is referred to as an embryo until week 12 gestational age where it is them called a fetus until parturition where it is now a neonate .... or baby. Reproductive biology strongly influenced and guided state laws on abortion and morality.
perfectbark 2 weeks ago
@perfectbark Thank you, I'm aware of the different terms, but I haven't learned them in English, as I haven't perivously had any need for it. I will now, thank you!
I just happen to think that life starts at conception and following the rule of non-aggression, no-one has the right to kill it. As I said the mothers right over her body is more important than the life of the embryo/fetus/neonate and if they two conflict, mother has the right. I just try to be moraly consistent, yet rational.
xxxrrrxxxrrr 2 weeks ago
Here's a PubMed article from the NE Journal of Medicine about the rate occurrence of spontaneous abortion .... around 25% of which the host was unaware of the pregnancy 22% of the time. Spontaneoous abortion occurs millions of times greater than medical or surgical abortion, and yet we have reached over 7 billion.
Educate yourself. Moral consistency is not congruent with self-perceived moral superiority.
perfectbark 2 weeks ago
w w w . ncbi . nlm . nih . gov / pubmed?term=3393170
perfectbark 2 weeks ago
@perfectbark I see. Well.. miscarriage is not an act of violence, so it's not contradicting my beliefs. The main question is: when does life begin? I think that as an unborn can be a legal entity (they can inherit property, at least in some societies) and I don't see why they should be treated as such in other situations. As the unborn is clearly unable to to sign a contract or live by itself, it is a difficult issue and unlike your conviction, I'm NOT stating what i think are absolute truths).
xxxrrrxxxrrr 2 weeks ago
@ABSpryteCube you may disagree but you can't beat his arguments!
arxidamos13 2 weeks ago
@arxidamos13 lol you're right i can't but it's not because he's right or wrong, it's because i was simply brought up different morally, but i like him and i would vote for him if i could, but i am only 15 :(
ABSpryteCube 1 week ago
When it comes to abortion, I'm stuck in a paradox. A person should have the right to do whatever they want with their body, this goes for pregnant woman. But do you consider the baby to still be part of the woman's body or do you consider it to be a whole separate individual?
Chimichanga12594 2 weeks ago
@Chimichanga12594 It's such a hard issue because if the baby is wanted, killing the fetus is considered malpractice or murder, but if the baby is unwanted, now the fetus can be aborted. It's like saying a baby is only a life if the mother wants it to be. But then what about rape victims and so on. Not an easy question.
supahsekzy 2 weeks ago
As a constitutionalist it could be impossible to define laws where life becomes Real Life after a number of months after conception. So for Ron to be true to himself life can only begin at conception. And people might have to adjust to that. Careful playing around with semens near the female apparatus.
ArneViman 2 weeks ago
@ABSpryteCube Why?
meloditus 2 weeks ago
@meloditus To be honest i think that abortion is a moral issue and is something that has to be decided upon every single individual circumstance, i.g. a 10 year old girl was raped, or an uncaring teen who constantly gets pregnant. very different and extreme cases but i think it's a lot more complex than making it simply illegal to all or legal. btw i am a huge supporter of ron paul sooo :)
ABSpryteCube 1 week ago
@ABSpryteCube thats like saying murder and rape is also a moral issue.
klaudio567 1 week ago
@klaudio567 Well put it this way, abortion is only murder to those with that moral idea. therefore any who oppose this idea of murder has a different view on it. clearly. I don't know when i said that murder and rape are moral issues. But I'm telling you now that that is not even close to what i was trying to get across.
ABSpryteCube 1 week ago
@ABSpryteCube no but what im saying is that just because its a moral issue dose not mean its not what it is. if everyone said rape was ok dose it make it ok.
klaudio567 6 days ago
@klaudio567 Actually, almost everything in our society is based solely on what the majority thinks...i'll give you an example, from OUR point of view, Terrorists are evil and savages and Osama bin Laden was the worst human being on the planet, that's OUR Society's point of view, HOWEVER,
ABSpryteCube 2 days ago
@klaudio567 when you go to Al-qaeda trainees they think that capitalism and democracy are the biggest threat to there national security, the majority of THEIR society agrees with that. Is it right? well it depends on what country you were born into, and what your family's morals are. and Ron Paul HIMSELF has claimed that most "Terrorists" are acting logically and defensively.(sorry ran out of space) it just depends on what side you're looking at from
ABSpryteCube 2 days ago
@klaudio567 if you truly want to understand someone, out yourself on their shoes..
ABSpryteCube 2 days ago
Freaking Trollers THUMB UPS...Life is a right in the USA in the constitution!
tabbyjones78 2 weeks ago
@ABSpryteCube
Good thing he won't hold you to his standards, eh?
nosferotica1 3 weeks ago
@nosferotica1 Well i don't know about that, i was expressing my freedom of speech, although i'm a huge supporter of Ron Paul, but, hey, we can't agree on EVERYTHING lol
ABSpryteCube 1 week ago
'Prolife' is a misnomer. Prolifers only care about you before you are alive. Once you are you're on your own!
maskofsan1ty 3 weeks ago
@maskofsan1ty That may be true, but has nothing to do with the argument of whether or not abortion is ok.
mrabdrum 3 weeks ago
@mrabdrum I disagree. Most pro lifers rate the importance of a bunch of cells more than someone who is actually alive and a distinct being. I'm of the opinion that the mum is more important and its that that means I support a woman's right to abort.
maskofsan1ty 3 weeks ago
@maskofsan1ty well to be honest I see both positions (totally pro-life/ totally pro-abortion) as silly. Why? pro-life means that two cells should not be killed because they're a baby. Pro-abortion means an 8 month old kid can be killed. Both seem ridiculous to me. It just seems that people have to agree on an age at which the being inside the mother can be called a human baby... otherwise the fight between both sides will continue..
mrabdrum 3 weeks ago
I only wonder one thing about his stance. Is he against an amendment if we could do it? If anyone knows this could they show me a link to support it please. I've been looking for this.
waakow 3 weeks ago
I like watching this with the snow falling over the video. Thumbs down if you agree.
Spokker 3 weeks ago
As I suspected Ron Paul's pro-life stance does not override his anti-pharma stance and opens the libertarian floodgates to states voting independently on the morning-after pill. I love it. He's a brilliant man and he has my vote. If he can make peace with this divisive issue, he's a saint - an absolute saint. I agree that abortion-objectors should not have to pay for abortions even though they benefit from abortion (less crime welfare). So states will make morning after pills for free. You watch
PatRedstone 3 weeks ago
People REALLY need to understand the concept of inherent capacity, instead of current capacity.
ThatOneGuyYouSaw15 1 month ago
Those women that abort their children are murderers. What are they? MURDERERS. They just never want to admit it and so they try and find ways to make it be considered as not murder. That is something they will never find - an illusion. Face it, if your Mom aborted you then you will never have been here. Unfortunately abortion has become just another business in this nation - a rather nasty one...
DjMunchkinG 1 month ago
@DjMunchkinG What about rape or if the mother doesn't have the proper conditions to raise a child and pay for maternal centres. It's kinder to the child to let them die rather than cause suffering on multiple people. In the case of rape or a broken condom it isn't the parents fault that they have a child and how would a child grow up possibly unloved in the case of rape or knowing he wasn't wanted.
LusoAustralian 1 month ago
@LusoAustralian broken condom is irrelevant, by having sex with consent you must acknowledge the risks of a pregnancy. Rape is another issue entirely which should be dealt adequately with the morning after pill which Dr. Paul has suggested himself. Alternatively the main theme of abortion is to stop "involuntary servitude" of the mother, which I don't acknowledge is the case with consent but is in the case of rape.
Theconceptofpresupposedsufferingisverydangerousandisanotherissue.
turdrhinofiend 1 month ago
@DjMunchkinG Then, all women who had more than one period are serial killers!!@#!1 Abortion is not murder. Fetus cannot talk, think, cannot live outside of mothers body, cannot feel, and it disturbs a womens 9 months of life. You're really stupid.
DarknesSoldier 1 month ago
@DarknesSoldier your logic is flawed, a 2 month old baby cannot talk, think, or live without constant support from the mother, or another, your argument could be used to justify infanticide. Your argument is essentially that you can decide your baby should die because it "disturbs a woman's* [body for] 9 months of life." As soon as you can decide that others are unworthy to live because they are an inconvenience to you, where does it end?
johnypablo 1 month ago
@DarknesSoldier That is a really vile way of thinking and to call others stupid while associating a period to an abortion is both hilariously ironic and morally bankrupt. By consenting to sex a woman must acknowledge their responsibility as an adult and a potential mother. The fact that the mother has sex while too poor, or not in a committed relationship is not the developing child's fault.
turdrhinofiend 1 month ago
@turdrhinofiend So, in your world, poor women shouldn't have sex and if a woman gets pregnant after rape, then that's just too bad?
Abortion falls under the right to privacy. Plain and simple. Keep your nose out of other people's personal lives. It's their body and their rules.
GrowTheTruth 4 weeks ago
@GrowTheTruth notice "by consenting to sex" before talking about the exceptional cases of rape in which I agree the mother shouldn't be held responsible for but should in any case take the morning after pill in the case of rape (which Ron Paul advocates too).
Killing other people doesn't fall under the right to privacy and if people choose to murder they should do so without the governments approval.
Killing a foetus is not their own body, it is killing the body of another person.
turdrhinofiend 4 weeks ago
@turdrhinofiend (2/2) ..."the thalamo-cortical complex that provides consciousness with its highly elaborate content, begins to be in place between the 24th and 28th week of gestation" & "thus, many of the circuit elements necessary for consciousness are in place by the 3rd trimester. By this time, preterm infants can survive outside the womb under proper medical care".
You can't kill something if it's not even alive in regards to consciousness.
GrowTheTruth 4 weeks ago
@turdrhinofiend (1/2) A human's development goes like this: zygote, blastocyst, embryo, fetus and then baby.
Science has shown that the brain doesn't even develop most of its neurological parts that are the basis for consciousness until the 3rd trimester. This was found by a study that concluded...
GrowTheTruth 4 weeks ago
This guy's incredible. The debate moderators are supposed to be independent, or at least fair to other positions. The woman asks him about late 3rd trimester abortions, she is being convinced that he is correct as she is asking questions. Ron Paul is definitely right; he is one of the best debaters I have ever seen and he is a doctor above all. A doctor is exactly who we need to fix our health care system.
PyroAbsestion22 1 month ago
Well if he was so religious he would be against stem cell research
mastersnet18 1 month ago
You cant just place an embryo into a uterus it has to attach to the uterine wall
mastersnet18 1 month ago
He's a perfect example of religion poisoning the mind of an otherwise very reasonable guy. But I guess as long as Christians are a majority in the US, there won't be much progress on that front.
MatsEP 1 month ago
Ron Paul makes no sense concerning abortion. Also it is not constitutional to legislate termination of inncocent human life on any government level. Government is suppose to protect inncocent human life; not legislate laws to destroy it. Ron Paul is for allowing the states to chose to destroy innocent human life and then claims being pro-life. That is low in decieving the people and perhaps himself. Politics as usual with Ron Paul. Let me pee on your leg and tell you it's raining.
kodachromefilm 1 month ago
@kodachromefilm Women have the right to choose and that will never change. We no longer live in the dark ages of oppression. To inform: 88% of abortions occur in the first trimester (this is one to 12 weeks) and less than 2% in the third trimester (27 weeks until birth). A foetus can not feel pain until the 28th week, as before this it lacks the necessary neuroanatomical structure. We have a severe over population problem as it is, banning abortions would cripple the US.
loljokesimdumbledore 1 month ago
@loljokesimdumbledore Are you for real?
kodachromefilm 1 month ago
@kodachromefilm are you?
loljokesimdumbledore 1 month ago
@kodachromefilm No. I am not. I am just judging you by your words. No insult intended, but your concepts are far from reality and common sense. Which tells me you are either confident in your lying, mocking, or far removed from reality on this subject. That's all.
kodachromefilm 1 month ago
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TurKdiRty 1 month ago
A Tubal Pregnancy is somewhat puzzling, because if the baby is living and if it could be removed from the tube and put in it's proper position, which is in the uterus of the Mother, I would deem it murder to take the baby's life. Why hasn't science delved into saving a Tubal Baby? I find this rather puzzling. If babies can be produced in Petri Dishes, then certainly that living Baby could be removed, if proper procedures were developed, and then placed into the uterus. Just a thought.
caroln1858 1 month ago
Embryonic stem cells are derived via in vitro (say, a man and a woman can't get pregnant on their own and must grow the embryo before it is put into the woman). But there are often multiple trials from the same man and woman until they have successful growth. The remaining growing embryos can be frozen for later (expensive), destroyed, or donated for research. I guess it all comes down to are you going to destroy a possible life, or use it to save another?
aruby08 1 month ago
I could never have an abortion just because I think that is just horrible! If it has a heart beat its alive.But ive never been put in a situation that I would even think about it
iampotts02 1 month ago
I really like Ron Paul but I dont agree with him on this its the womens choice not the mans choice
iampotts02 1 month ago
@iampotts02 he isnt doing it for the mans choice as u say but for the babies choice
Darcy137 1 month ago
@Darcy137 well I think the man should have a say in the pregnancy its his baby as well!
iampotts02 1 month ago
life does begin at conception its a fact, so then abortion should only be done in cases of rape or incest and if the abortion is needed for the survival of the mother, not just cause you are a whore .
pisa13 1 month ago
@pisa13 No, that is not a fact. There is no definition of when life begins.
aruby08 1 month ago
@aruby08 i am not against abortion, but something resembling life does begin when sperm enters the egg
pisa13 1 month ago
@pisa13 what about spermicidal condoms? is that also considered abortion?
QuickEK 1 month ago
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This is why I will not vote for Ron Paul. He agrees that abortion is an act of violence, but yet he simply just wants to wash his hands of it. He is not fighting to have it outlawed outright, he is just saying well, let the states or someone else decide whether or not it is ok. Um no! Then you dont need to be president if you cannot fight for your belief that abortion is violence and put an end to it!
MrsBettieG 1 month ago
An direct and honest discussion. So refreshing. Even if I disagree with him on some points... I want a leader who isn't a sulking coward hiding behind talking points... disrespecting everyone by trying to fool people with a facade. This man is Presidential. This man leads.
Rawr029 1 month ago
Thanks Ron Paul for making this clear. I hope more people listen to you and "Pray to End Abortion." Ron Paul is the only one who thinks clearly on how to stop this manslaughter.
caroln1858 1 month ago
He schooled them again. She didn't like it.
teriw56 1 month ago
I AM SO GLAD RON PAUL IS NOT PRO CHOICE. THANK JESUS.
GregariousGorilla 1 month ago
Abortion IS an act of violence. Stabbing a pair of surgical scissors into the base of a baby's skull or sucking a little fetus out of someone with a vacuum is violence.
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ashwadhwani 1 month ago
Ron Paul is pro-choice running on a pro-life ticket. Politics as usual with Ron Paul.
kodachromefilm 1 month ago
every time ron paul dose something.. all his supporters say it wont effect him going to office VOTE RON PAUL!
SpeshuuAnunnaki 1 month ago
I'm a Ron Paul supporter, but I've never understood the abortion angle. I mean, everything else regarding what people decide to do with their bodies, he believes is their choice. But it's a sensitive issue, no doubt.
BWHORROR 1 month ago
@BWHORROR he is saying that it isnt up to him. it is what presidents should have been saying since abortion came about is "Leave it to the states" the president will not fund either way so he is in the right
xmasterfunk 1 month ago
@BWHORROR He doesn't believe it's their choice, he believes it's the state's choice. He also personally believes it is wrong to have an abortion. Hopefully, if he gets elected some states will ban abortion. Depending on the situation, I believe people should be accountable for murder if they have an abortion. Both the operator and the mother having the abortion.
LxE100 1 month ago
@LxE100 the only person that can decide if to give birth or not is the woman.nature decided that way and u can't do shit about it.a lot of animals kill their little ones for different reasons,that's nature!your religion is just a copy of older sun dieteis like horus,mythra,krishna etc.check them on google you ignorant retard!
geiuy 1 month ago
@geiuy Yes, ultimately the woman giving birth to the child will decide whether that baby lives or not as of now. The problem with this, is that it is actually murder and there should be a Federal law against abortion. Yes, animals do a lot of different things for different reasons. Too bad the Bible tells us that murder is a sin. Abortion is murder. The Catholic Faith is actually much different than all of those Gods. I already have read up on some of them, and the stories are much different.
LxE100 1 month ago
@LxE100 The idea to ban abortion is actually as very bad one. When women couldn't abort, they found ways, and often two lives would end instead of one. While I can't tell a person to agree with it or not, banning abortion takes away women's rights, and it'll do way more damage than good. Poverty, abusive parenting, adoption centers becoming even more full than already. I personally would never get an abortion, but banning abortion won't stop it, and will likely do more damage than good.
Dollreviewz155 1 month ago 3
@Dollreviewz155 Banning abortion takes away women's rights? Please explain this to me. I think having an abortion takes away a human's life which you can't even argue with. Poverty, abusive parenting, adoption centers becoming even more full than already is just you assuming things. These are called false assumptions because many adopted children live happy and succesful lives too. If a woman feels she needs to take her life just to have an abortion, so be it. Abortion is muder.
LxE100 1 month ago
@LxE100 It takes away the women's right to do what they want with THEIR body. I don't agree to taking away anothers life, however, who's to say when life begins for a fetus? There is no proven fact on that statement. The only thing we can go by is our own assumption. I believe life starts when it's actually conscious and when it's nervous system is developed and running. However over 90% of abortions happen before then. And because it can't live without the support and use of anothers body(cont)
Dollreviewz155 1 month ago
@Dollreviewz155 No, it isn't a right to take someone's life away without their consent. This is murder. Well, no one has the right to decide when life begins, so once a fetus comes into existence, that is the only reasonable proof life exists. Listen, how does 1 second of time decide whether a human has life or not? No, just because a human fetus can't live without its mother because all life needs to start this way, doesn't mean it doesn't deserve it's own life. This is false. -->
LxE100 1 month ago
@LxE100 Again as I said, I don't believe it is it's own life. That's you making your own assumption on when life begins which is fine, you can believe that. But that doesn't help your argument if you're trying to convince me otherwise. It is ALIVE, but it doesn't own rights to it's own life. After all if you're against it for that reason then I assume you're against men masturbating as well? And I assume you're probably vegan then too?
Dollreviewz155 1 month ago
@LxE100 (cont) it doesn't own it's own life. So it's life is not it's own. It doesn't get to make the choice for itself cause by the time it's aborted it isn't even aware of it's surroundings.
No it's not. It's a FACT. I actually read upon this stuff and I know people who were or are in those exact situations. I never said adopted children don't live happy lives, actually majority live very nice lives. However that doesn't exclude from the fact that adopt centers are FILLED with kids (cont)
Dollreviewz155 1 month ago
@Dollreviewz155 <-- "It doesn't get to make the choice for itself cause by the time it's aborted it isn't even aware of it's surroundings." - This again is a false statement. Many fetuses who are in their mother's womb are aware they're being injured. You can see them moving away from sharp objects trying to kill them on ultrasounds. Well, I'm sure even kids who end up with no parents are atleast happy to be alive. The second before a fetus is born, it isn't human?
LxE100 1 month ago
@LxE100 And no they're not. A fetus is not aware of it's surroundings till around 24 weeks or so. The brain needs to be developed enough to be aware of it's surroundings. And until the brain is developed enough for it to be conscious can then, the fetus feel pain. As for moving, that's a part of their development, but in no way does it mean they're aware of it. Kind of like how you're unaware that you're moving while you sleep.
Dollreviewz155 1 month ago
@LxE100 So are you telling me it's better for a child to be living on this earth suffering just because it's another life added onto this earth? Please elaborate why it is better for a person to suffer rather than just not be alive at all. Do I wish death upon them? No, I'd just rather a person not even be born instead of them living on earth suffering.
Dollreviewz155 1 month ago
@Dollreviewz155 Yes, I'm saying it is better for a child to live even when you know it will suffer. Why? Well, because no one knows when that suffering might end, and you don't even know how that person would feel. Maybe they would rather live with some suffering than be murdered before they even get a chance to do something in life. You actually are wishing death upon them by supporting pro-choice. Wanting a person to be murdered instead of living suffering is surely wishing death upon them.
LxE100 1 month ago
@LxE100 Actually I know very well how many people who have suffered feel. Many to the point where they want to kill themselves because traumatizing moments haunt them or their currently living a shitty life. You've obviously lived it WAY too easy. So CLEARLY you have absolutely NO understanding whatsoever of how a person feels when they suffer. Can I say the same? No. I don't fully understand how they feel, all I know is that life, for them, is SHIT. (cont)
Dollreviewz155 1 month ago
@LxE100 And honestly, to wish for them to continue suffering when no, not many ever actually WANT to live, being the reason for thousands of people committing suicide, is MUCH more selfish and cruel than to abort a fetus that feels nothing emotionally or physically. You're allowing constant pain to be brought onto them. Life isn't that amazing kid. It's not sparkles and fairytales and sunshine like you believe it to be. It's rough, cruel, and fucked up. Not in EVERY case, but in a lot. (cont)
Dollreviewz155 1 month ago
@Dollreviewz155 Your thinking is unreasonable. I assure you, I'd much rather live being poor than be killed. Many people would agree with me. Suicides aren't even relevant to this. Many people commit suicide who were never adopted, and lived in rich families. It's an invalid argument. If these people feel they don't want to live anymore, so be it. I think they have more of a right to decide when they die than you do. Don't you think?
LxE100 1 month ago
@LxE100 Well you're not living poor so how can you make that assumption? You don't know how they feel as you've made rather clear. (BTW being rich doesn't equal a good life). Did I ever claim that I had the right to end their life? You don't seem to be reading my argument correctly at all. Or you just don't get what I'm trying to explain.
PS - I'm pro-CHOICE, not pro-abortion. If I was I'd agree to have ALL fetus's aborted, but I don't. I believe it is the MOTHERS right.
Dollreviewz155 1 month ago
@Dollreviewz155 I've seen the lives of people living poor. Besides that, the only person who should decide whether someone lives or not, is the innocent person that it's happening to. Exactly, being rish doesn't equal good life necessarily, just like being really poor doesn't mean a bad life necessarily. I'm reading your argument perfectly correct. You don't even realize what you're saying half the time. Being pro-choice, you're saying anyone has the right to kill their child. -->
LxE100 1 month ago
@LxE100 Well, they can't. Because they don't have the ability to. So, no, they can't :)
There's quite a difference though. When you're poor you're neglected of all needs. Food, warm shelter, clean clothes, education. If people were so fine with being poor they wouldn't be trying to get jobs.
No, it means we're okay with what a woman choose to do with her body. I don't like abortion dude but in most cases it's the only option a woman has.
Dollreviewz155 1 month ago
@Dollreviewz155 Again, it's a false assumption to believe every kid should die just because he's going to be poor or suffer. Some people feel that suffering makes them more humble. You don't know if one of those aborted babies you don't even know will suffer if they're born, might just be okay with suffering or being poor. Abortion is murder. Do you not understand? A fetus is a child... I'm very open minded, but murder is wrong, and I won't open my mind to make sins become okay.
LxE100 1 month ago
@LxE100 I'm really starting to question your intelligence on this subject. You honestly don't seem to know what you're talking about and you continue to spew shit with no facts behind it. I should of known you'd refuse to even be slightly open-minded on the subject. It's my fault though. I should have known I'd be wasting my time.
FYI, it's a fetus, not a child. Good day.
Dollreviewz155 1 month ago
@Dollreviewz155 <-- Pro choice is the same thing as pro abortion. You believe it's okay to have an abortion... This is very easy to understand and yet, you still fail to. And yes, by claiming parents have the right to kill their children, it's saying you have the right to kill your children.
LxE100 1 month ago
@LxE100 (cont) And no, I don't wish death upon them, I wish peace. And the only people that suffer when it comes to death are those that are already living, not the person that is dead. I don't wish death on anyone nor would I. I just wish that if that person had the opportunity to not be born into a suffering world where they're treated like shit to the point where they want to kill themselves, I would. Being unborn and dead are different. Sadly only one is possible, but I don't wish for it.
Dollreviewz155 1 month ago
@Dollreviewz155 No... Saying you would rather murder a person than see them suffering clearly means you wish death upon them. To deny that is lying. Being unborn means you were either never conceived in the first place or you were murdered in your mother's womb. Your thinking is psychologically flawed just like any pro abortionist.
LxE100 1 month ago
@LxE100 (cont) And sadly not all kids are adopted and many end up living on the streets. While it's not the majority, that doesn't make it any less of a problem. My assumptions aren't false, it's happening all the time. And even if you were to exclude the number of abortions done a year, people dying from disease or even starvation, we're STILL reproducing more than we're killing. Am I saying kill people? No. However I do not believe a fetus is a person. (cont)
Dollreviewz155 1 month ago
@LxE100 (cont) and until you provide me with proof on that then I will continue to believe so. I'd rather put the world and the people already living in it first long before I am to put a fetus first.
Still gonna vote for Ron Paul though :D I still believe he is a good choice for president ^_^
Dollreviewz155 1 month ago
@LxE100
Wow... so you're anti abortion (read; anti woman's rights) aswell as a homophobic piece of human excrement (saw your comments on that other vid), both views based on some archaic book of fairy tales which (let's face it) is even worse a guide regarding how to live your life than "5 easy steps on how to beat your wife, by McScruffy".
You sir/ma'am disgust me beyond what words can describe.
Seymour13 1 month ago
@Seymour13 In other words, I'm anti murder. I'm not homophobic at all. Just because I see homosexuality as something wrong doesn't mean I'm discriminative towards them. I'm sorry but to beleive the Bible is a book of fairy tales is absurd. Many Bible stories have been proven true. Many people were disgusted by Jesus Christ too. Some people just can't find real love because they blind themselves from the truth through ignorance and denial.
LxE100 3 weeks ago
@LxE100
"I see homosexuality as something wrong"
That makes you a homophobe, by definition.
"to beleive the Bible is a book of fairy tales is absurd"
Garden of eden, bad apple, talking snake, noah's ark, burning bush, turning water to wine, walking on water, hell, etc., makes perfect sense...
(cont.)
Seymour13 3 weeks ago
@Seymour13
Actually the definition of homophobe has to do with the fear of gays and lesbians.
You can think homosexuality isn't natural and not be a homophobe.
nosferotica1 3 weeks ago
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Seymour13 3 weeks ago
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@nosferotica1
I'm afraid it's a bit of a broader term than that.
"Homophobia: Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes and feelings towards homosexuality and people who are identified as or perceived as being homosexual. Definitions refer variably to antipathy, contempt, prejudice, aversion, and irrational fear."
There's even a name for LxE's specific brand of homophobia; "institutionalized homophobia (e.g. religious homophobia and state-sponsored homophobia)".
Seymour13 3 weeks ago
@LxE100
(cont.)
"Many Bible stories have been proven true"
Some historic bits, yeah, but as far as anything actually important to the religion is concerned (miracles and such)... nope.
"can't find real love because they blind themselves from the truth"
That's both irrelevant and nonsensical.
Seymour13 3 weeks ago
@LxE100 lol saying normal smart ppl dont have any love just because they dont beleive in something stupid as the bible. you are the ignorant one srsly a talking snake?? turning water to wine? being gay is something they cant help so just let them, how can it be wrong? why do you care what ppl are doin in the bedroom?
General420smoke 3 weeks ago
@BWHORROR The fact is they aren't just deciding what to do with their own bodies. They are also deciding whether another person (the baby) lives or dies.
b0ondockz 1 month ago
I love Ron Paul but this is where he's going to get caught up on this issue. I love the question: If you make a law against abortion who goes to jail? That is a totally fair question. He doesn't know the answer to that. I think when a fair question is asked you should give a fair answer and not give a smart non-answer answer. He saves this by saying it's a states issue which takes it out of his hands. Not the best way to answer this but it does work.
jjbb81 1 month ago
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Any respect i had for Ron Paul (a lot) just completely went out the window.
hanl9889 2 months ago
Ron Paul doesnt want states funding abortion or birth control. I guess he doesnt realize that most women seeking abortions are very poor that never had access to condoms and birth control in the first place. These women are so poor that the states would be forced to pay all these women medical bills to ensure the baby comes out health Also women that give up their children for adoption typically face severe mental trauma and regret and the states would have to pay for all these woman treatment
animejerk05 2 months ago
lol ron paul shut that bitch up
LasagnaIsGood 2 months ago
Oh no! Se seems so good on the outside but then shit like this comes up... Abortion is an act of violence? Oh boy... And I believed for a second he was an atheist.... Oh well, he's anyways a billion times better candidate than any other republican. If the people have to vote against Obama, I hope it'll be Paul who they replace him with... Not gonna happen though... He's way too smart for the Republican America and the tea-bagger voters.
Spaghettimonster777 2 months ago
im voting for this guy!!!!!!!!!
blackwolfsquadron 2 months ago
EVERYONE WAKE UP
THE LEFT IS SCARED OF RON PAUL
SO THEY ARE KEEPING HIM OUT OF THE SPOT LIGHT
THIS WAS DONE IN THE 2008 ELECTION WITH THE REPUBLICAN CANIDATE JON McCAIN HE WAS THE WEAKEST OF THE RACE AND GOT ALL THE ATTENTION
LET NOT HISTORY REPEAT ITSELF
VOTE RON PAUL
Kalkas53 2 months ago
He's seriously misguided and ill-educated on abortion.
MegaOrangePenguin 2 months ago
it's really nice just to hear Dr. Paul talk. the way he speaks has this subtle charm to it, where he's not just trying to win you over with charisma, but uses fine detail and factual accounts to support his ideas.
i've noticed he often gives quite long answers to questions but, as he mentions, there are sometimes just no easy answers to give. it's nice to hear him explain things in-depth and deserves much more respect on this issue than that joke Herman Cain.
AtomicAtari 2 months ago
@AtomicAtari Totallly agree, it's tragic that Cain is getting so much more run than Dr. Paul, esp. considering he hasn't been in the public arena nearly as long, yet manages to still get support from the media and mindless slogan loving supporters.
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