(Re text at the opening of the vidoe) I didn't realise that anyone believed that the book of John was written 2 generations after the death of Christ. That would make it "The gospel of some guy who wasn't alive pretending to be John". The Gospel of John was written within the 1st generation after Jesus' crucifiction by a 1st hand witness to the life, ministry and death of Jesus. That is what makes it a compelling testimony.
@Moving2U Two generations doesn't mean the author wasn't there-Though I agree, the evidence shows a date of 20-30 yrs within timeframe of the events, not exactly even 1 generation 'ey-
It was investigated by the Roman Inquisition and they concluded that it could only be supported as a possibility, not as an established fact. Galileo later defended his views in Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, which appeared to attack Pope Urban VIII and thus alienated him and the Jesuits, who had both supported Galileo up until this point. He was tried by the Inquisition, found "vehemently suspect of heresy", forced to recant, and spent the rest of his life under house arrest.
@EmetTalmudim6 You still don't get it. The Science of the times was called the Catholic Church and the bible. Galileo proved them wrong. Kind of like when geologists proved there was no global flood.
Jesus was a made up name. J was not in the english language till the 1700's. The name is revealed in the book of Joshua but that name was pronounced Yashua.
@ angelicfaith94 great movie upload keep up the good work. I find it interesting that people hate Jesus from past to present when his message is so filled iwth eerything we need in life that kids understand it better then adults. I am amazed that mankind hates someone who died for them to save them from their sins. Also it gave us salvation, eternal life, and a place in heaven to be with the father forever. Someone please tell me the problem with this message and how it hurts people to accept.
The opening comment also fails to point out that the author of the Gospel of John was John the Apostle who walked and lived with Jesus and was a faithful eyewitness.
if you dont belive in god then why are you here why disprove something that isnt real to you? it doesnt make since to me, its like that unicorn box story but whois really crazy the 100billion of people who seen the unicorn or the few who dont and they try so hard to blind people >think about that ha...ps dont respond your nagetivety like always ill ignore u dont waste your time god bless
@quality4life4eva Salam yes every one should love and follow Jesus peace be upon him and Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him and every one should worship only one GOD who does not beget and is not begotten.. Peace be upon all of you
@olasonn These are not the gifts and promises of an unjust tyrant and monster; Psalm 71;;6 34;18 37;4 139;1-3, 15-16(particularly vs 13-14 & 17-18) Genesis1;27 Isaiah40;11 Jeremiah 1;4-5 29;11 31;3 32;40-41 33;3 Exodus19;5 Deuteronomy 4;29 Zepaniah3;17
Beloved in CHRIST, we are in a spiritual war, we need to spread the gospel by posting in non-christian videos. As these haters spread their propaganda and lies here. We need not preach to the choir, we need to go on the offensive and start posting on satanic videos, secular videos, fear mongering videos. We need to show them the way. If you can reach that one person out of a million, as JESUS said, HEAVEN rejoices. Arm yourselves and start preaching on their territory.
@trubornagain We are indeed at war, but not with them; Ultimately they are enslaved victims, willing victims perhaps granted but victims nonetheless as we were before we knew Christ. Prayer & Bible study will accomplish much more than confronting deceived puppets.
Who is Jesus? The great I AM thats who and every knee shall bow eventualy weather here on earth or a the judgment.i pray for many it will be here on eartg God bless
@olasonn Just out of curiosity, why do you adhere to the faith you do, and not some other? And no, not a reason made up later, the original reason. What convinced you?
I don't accept it because you are wrong. This is no reason to believe in gods, and certainly not one specific one. None of this is why you believe in a god, it's just something made up after the fact to defend your already taken position.
You think it's possible for something non-physical to create and interact with something physical, without any explanation of how this is possible. How can you?
Sure we can test the big bang. Google "Tests of Big Bang Cosmology" and see for yourself.
Falisiability is a big part of testing, and you still haven't answered how you can falsify your god-hypothesis, even though I have asked many times.
Evolution is not only logical, but supportes by ALL known evidence. But why you bring that up here, I don't know. It has nothing to do with gods being real or not.
You and the video game are both physical, made of atoms...etc. There are physical laws explaining how you can interact with a video game, there are no explanations of how something non-physical can interact with physical things. Surely you can see this?
And why should I give an example of that? What would that prove?
1: What? Is that a good comparison, you think? That is the close to being the craziest thing I've ever heard.
2: No...you're not doing what scientists do. They create a hypothesis that they test and discard if there's no evidence for it or the evidence points another way. How would you test your god-hypothesis?
So, you make up a god that is outside universal laws to get rid of the origins problem. That doesn't explain anything or make it any more probable. How can something exist outside the universal laws, while interacting with this same universe? If you don't see the problems here you are not keeping your eyes open.
Why is not a god bound to physical laws? How can a god create physical things when not being physical himself? What did he do before creating the universe and for how long? Where was he?
Matter could have existed all along, no matter if you understand how or not. If a god could, matter could have also.
I don't believe aliens did it either, I was just throwing it out there since it's just as valid a point as saying a god did it --- not a good one that is.
No, it could have been aliens that did it for all I know. To be an atheist you only have to not believe the god-hypothesis, and that's pretty easy since it's not convincing at all.
Just because we don't know everything at present doesn't mean we should make up gods to attempt to explain it. It has been done throughout the ages, with very little to show for.
You understand it but can't explain it? That doesn't sound too convincing to me.
And I'm not claiming the universe created itself, the matter could have been here all along.
I mean, if there is a god(s) he/she/it/they must be more complex than the universe, and therefore can't be assumed to have just existed always any more than the universe could have. Agreed?
Which god? And who created him? You're not resorting to special pleading and saying he was always here. are you? Cause then I can say that the universe was always here too.
John3:34 For he whom God have sent speaketh the word of God for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. Jesus is the living word of God and Jesus lives in everyone who believe and confess him to be the saviour. Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ nevertheless I live yet not I but Christ liveth in me and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God who love me and gave himself to me. type up JUSTIFIED BY FELLA SOUL AND RECEIVE WHAT GOD GAVE ME TO GIVE!
@AwareDisciple -While i was watching there is a part where Jesus is telling everyone that He is "I AM -Before Abraham" they didnt believe so I said in my heart "Lord I believe in you" and my whole body was covered in a glow and Jesus was standing beside me and all my past life was erased and my heart was overflowing with so much Love and compassion My whole heart was changed -Everything changed -my behavior and all I cld talk abt was Jesus - its 6 yrs since then Nov 23 2005 n now start a church
Jesus christ deserves to be worshiped i cannot begin to imagine the pain he went through for other peoples doings, its beautiful that god would care so much about us people that he would die on the cross for the bad things that we have done praise lord and savior jesus christ whos second coming im happily waiting for amen
@001001sith Dionysus offspring?- what do you mean by that?,am I supposed to give the douche bag on the keyboard,acclaim for plain stupid words and phrases?.You think thats smart?,stop playing counter strike and go get a degree you fool.I know what you meant,I asked you a separate question my incoherent little frog.
You dont have to believe in anything bigger,but remember this EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL CONFESS THAT HE IS LORD.... SO YOU CAN CHOOSE NOT TO BELIEVE IN ANYTHING BUT, AT THE END YOU WILL BOW. GOD BLESS YOU AND TO ALL WHO REALLY DONT KNOW WHO GOD TRULEY IS...
Woahhh whats with the 5 zillion pages of debate below? Stop clogging the comments please. If you like this movie, just enjoy it and comment on the movie not go off on a tangent about religious debate. If you hate the movie, click the little red 'x' on your browser.
Ahh, skeptics. Nonbelievers cannot believe in things of the spirit, because they are spiritually discerned. Its like trying to speak spanish to a greek. Spanish means nothing to the greek and likewise greek means nothing to the spanish speaker. So it is with the things of the spirit, the things of the spirit are foolishness to those who dont have the spirit, because they are spiritually discerned. Those without the spirit are not meant to understand it. Jesus is real, concensus means nothing.
@klok95330 I felt you said it right. Without religious title I still relate to Jesus and aware of the presence of divine order aside rational justification systems, skeptic and or scientific evolution theories proposed. When spirit becomes a debate it misses the point to connection and the word and a battle of egos. Just as Jesus found out when challenging the system which represented a different walk of life. Live according to the physical alone or to live in the spirit.
@MasterOranda Haha...like I said, I get that a lot. It's just some believers way of trying to more easily dismiss me reasoning my way out of my faith. Dishonest and desperate is all it is.
Are you implying that those phrases mean the same????? Unbelievable.
Are you then implying that it's not allowed to contradict the consensus? Even worse.
If you want to stay true to yourself, which is the most important thing, you will look for these historical errors which historians agree are there. If not, just continue saying that you believe the book of Daniel is historically correct, since you haven't seen anything suggesting otherwise due to not looking.
The point is impartiality & an unbiased open forum-which is what academia is suppose to be about-is impossible when those who determine what is published or debated are unwilling to do so, because the facts aren't conveniant for them. That's what you have, at the very least, when they are so devoted to secular humanism that they are willuing to take kickbacks rather than even acknowledge the alternative as a possibility-a FACT admitted by History Channel, a SECULAR NETWORK-
@Forysan The evidence rules, if you can back up your case with sufficient evidence it WILL achieve consensus NO MATTER what it is. There is no conspiracy to keep religious claims out due to them being religious, if they are rejected it is ONLY due to lack of evidence.
@olasonn I told you I don't believe in conspiracies, but what I KNOW is greed can be a very powerful incentive.
Anyway, I gave you the name of the documentary, the yr it was made, & the network it came on
-So you have a SECULAR documentary, made up of interviews of several primarily minimalist academics unwilling to accept anything but a SECULARIST worldview, on a SECULAR educational network known to only promote a minimalist view of the Bible acknowledging the kickbacks-
@olasonn as I said, if you're willing to watch the list of MAINSTREAM documentaries I'll post, I'd be more than happy to watch the Yale lectures.
My point about the ADMITTED kickbacks is not about them being particularly interested in with-holding the truth, it's about them being more interested in grants than in the FACTS.
@Forysan I've seen both sides, even been a Christian for most of my adult life, I know all there is on that side. You need to watch the lectures to educate yourself. If you don't want to, which I understand why you wouldn't, go right ahead.
So, what is it that you think they're not considering, and what is the evidence for that?
@olasonn in otherwords you won't watch the documentaries (If that's the case what point is there in dialog)? Just curious.
As regards the kickbacks I've told you already & given you the source for the admition. If you're so committed you'll not believe an official admition by one of your own (History Channel in this case) I CAN'T make you. All I can say is you have more faith than I do. You are worthy of a greater God than doubt or secular humanism.
@Forysan It would be a waste of time for me, since I know both sides. The dialog WAS on Daniel, until you wanted to change it to something else. You said there were no historical errors in Daniel, at least that you didn't know of any, and I am showing you were you can find them neatly laid out by professionals. If you want to deny yourself that knowledge, be my guest. Just remember that for the future you can't say that you don't know about errors, but that you refuse to hear about them.
@olasonn that's not the issue; we could just as easily be talking about any other fact of history & the issue would be the same. IVY league academia is more interested in grants & book royalties these days than they are in FACTS & EVIDENCE, so it doesn't matter how much you show them it WON'T even be given consideration because they're not about to give up their cash cow. That's not what academia is suppose to be about.
@Forysan Nope, that is a crazy claim. Facts and evidence is all there is, and anyone can challenge the consencus IF they have evidence to back it up. Why don't you give it a go?
This is nothing but another religious conspiracy claim, AND YES IT IS A CONSPIRACY CLAIM.
If you have nothing to worry about, watch the lectures and you might just learn something. But I totally understand your unwillingness, I was the same way when I was a believer.
@olasonn but you're willing to believe History Channel's bias even when they all but admit it? I didn't change the subject, I'm simply pointing out you CAN'T truly have open dialog ON ANY SUBJECT in a system willing to take kickbacks.
Give me the quotes you feel prove your point, in written form or directly linked to them saying it in a video. I need the names of these IVY-league people saying what you claim they are saying, so I can check if the quotes are correct and not taken out of context. I may even contact them and ask if their quotes are being used fairly.
@olasonn Ok, somewhere there was a miscommunication; What I said was
a secular documentary by History Channel (a secular educational network), who are known for going out of their way to debunk the Bible,
acknowledged the kickbacks taken by those heads of secular academia who determine what articles, introductions get published & what information gets released in minimalist documentaries.
I was not referencing any particular individual/school only summarizing the corruption in the system.
@EmetTalmudim6 Getting out of their way? No, just doing what has to be done, calling mythology what it is. Your religions is somehow truth while all others are false and/or myths? And every religions says the same about every other religion? Sure. Now, they can't all be right, but they can all be wrong.
@olasonn I told you already, it's NOT about religion, it's about relationship; The point is why would a SECULAR documentary on a SECULAR educational network KNOWN TO GO OUT OF ITS' WAY TO DEBUNK THE BIBLE acknowledge such a thing (IE the kickbacks) unless that was the case?
@EmetTalmudim6 They're not going out of their way, they're doing a good job. Just like they would if they debunk flat-earthers. Would you say they're going out of their way debunking them?
@olasonn check out a famous Jewish General Josephus Flavious he was a writer of the time that mentions Jesus and John the baptist during the time he was alive. he wrote down all that he saw with the Destrustion of Jerusalem by the Romans and the politics at the time.
@olasonn there is 2 versions of it. one of them he mentions them and the other that I believe is false and added by christians he says Jesus is the messiah I dont believe that one
@PirateDumbell1 Not a witness, since he didn't live at the same time, and only reported what someone told him. Not contemporary, not an eye witness, not a good source.
I know very well of the very few mentions of a historical Jesus, but none are good.
Watch this lecture about that from a biblical scholar Bart Ehrman: watch?v=3d4Mf0KfNHI
Here he goes through what is considered reliable sources of information. There are none for Jesus.
@olasonn ok somebody that was born 20 years later after he died doesn't make him credible?CORNELIUS TACITUS (55 - 120 A.D.) GAIUS SUETONIUS TRANQUILLUS (69 - 130 A.D.) THALLUS (~ 52 A.D.) PLINY THE YOUNGER (63 - 113 A.D)CELSUS (~ 178 A.D.) all guys that mention him and they were not christians. dont you realize that information was passed down at the time it's not like how we live today how we can just write a book in one day about what just happened for the last week.
@PirateDumbell1 I know about those, not credible when asserting supernatural claims about Jesus. There may have been an actual guy named Jesus at the time, but there is no evidence of any miracles or that he was anything but a "normal" man.
@olasonn that's why there are the gospels to tell you about the miracles! I mean whatever you can go ahead and believe I can't convince an individual only God can do that lol
@PirateDumbell1 The books in the bible is not evidence of anything, I'm afraid. Just mythological scriptures like any other religious book in the world. An early attempt at philosophy, trying to explain the world with the limited knowledge they had at the time.
@PirateDumbell1 I was a sincere Christian for 16 years of my adult life, I don't need to "check" myself. I took a step back when I saw problems with my faith that I used to sweep under the rug, and gave it a thorough, critical examination. It didn't pass the test, and I wanted to be true to myself, and therefore left my faith. Everything I have read and learned since then has confirmed that to be a good decision.
@olasonn just because you probally think you made a "good decision" doesn't mean that it is. I mean hitler thought he made a "good decision" by trying to conquer the world but we all know that was an insane one.
@PirateDumbell1 True, and I am always open to new evidence. It's just that I haven't been presented with any credible, believeable evidence reg. the existence of any gods.
I think I have seen most of what people consider evidence, and it comes up lacking every single time.
Most people inherit their faith from their parents, having been indoctrinated from childhood, and which faith you belong to is more due to geography than anything else.
@PirateDumbell1 Won't change it no matter what? That is to me a ridiculous position. There's ALWAYS the possibility of being wrong, and if truth matters to you at all you'll be willing to follow the evidence WHERE EVER it may lead.
@olasonn well there is proof that Jesus existed and was a person and I have "faith" and "believe" that he is who he claim's to be and that he did the miracles tha was written I don't need to go my whole life searching for answers when it's obviously right infront of me. the old testament prophecies talk about his arrival. what else do I need? it's a clear picture. maybe I'm the dumb one that doesn't know anything but I don't think so.
@PirateDumbell1 No, there is not evidence of a Jesus doing miracles and supernatural, the stories may not even be based on a real person. Face it, if you were born in India, you would most likely be a hindu. In Pakistan and you would most likely be a Muslim. That you are a Christian is pure coincidence.
@olasonn that's why I have faith in the gospels. like what evidence are you looking for because they didnt have camera phones or youtube so we can see him heal the blind back then or people texting each other "hey did you see Jesus of nazereth?? yeah I took a pic of him on my phone I'm going to forward it to everyone!" yeah he is a real person we already had this discussion and Jesus is the english translation of iesous(greek) in the hebrew version of the gospel of matthew he is called Yeshua
@PirateDumbell1 I see no difference between your holy book and the so called holy books of other religion. The reason you believe in the one you do is purely coincidence, and has NOTHING to do with it being true or not.
I know they didn't have cameras back then, but historians have certain criteria to determine what most likely happened and not, and the gospels does not meet them, hence no reason to believe them.
@olasonn dude it's not a coincidence because the gospel started from the jews the Jews spread it through out the area and the white man was the one to take it even further across the world. show me this information that doesn't meet criteria?
@PirateDumbell1 The coincidence is you happening to have been born into the religion you adhere to. If you were born in India you would defend the Hindu faith with the same fervor. That you belong to the one you do is pure chance.
@olasonn you are assuming I would but we don't know that and my family has no christian background but I see ur point but well one time my great great great grandpa was a ship captain and he burned down a catholic hospital cause they were treating the patients badly and almost killed his mom. so he and his crew destroyed the place.
@olasonn that's a tough one because there was no specific moment where I just decided that I believed in God it's just a process I guess. everytime I thought about converting to Judaism I would get a scared feeling of anxiety idk it's weird to explain but now I made up my mind and plan on not changing it. wbu before you decided there wasn't one?
@PirateDumbell1 At age 20 I became a Christian, having been convinced by someone I met in the army that prophecies had come true. That was the starting point, and my faith grew from there.
16 years later I got the urge to test my faith, due to no longer being able to sweep obvious problems under the rug. It fell faster than I could ever imagine, and I was left stunned as a non-believer again.
Why are you so certain about "not changing it"? If you realized it was wrong, would you still believe?
@olasonn question is do you KNOW Jesus Christ? There's a VITAL difference between that & being convinced of the accuracy of prophecies; Observant Jews, believe the prophecies & their accuracy, realize there's a God, know Who He is & the Messiah is coming, but they don't KNOW God or the Messiah.
Muslims know there's a God, believe Jews & Christians to be people of the book & that there'll be a Messiah; But they don't Know Who God, THE Messiah is, or Jesus is, nor do they KNOW Him.
@EmetTalmudim6 Do I know Jesus Christ? What kind of question is that to someone who isn't even convinced there is a historical Jesus. It's like me asking you if you know Muhammed.
I was a sincere believer, just like any other, but reasoned my way out of my faith. I'm sad it didn't happen sooner, there are many years wasted believing in fairy tales, but I'm happy I had the courage to test my faith at all. I just wish more people did the same.
@olasonn what I'm saying is knowing ABOUT someone or being sincerely convinced who they are & that their promises are true are not the same thing as KNOWING that person. A true Christian is not someone who merely knows about Jesus or is sincerely convinced His promises are true (although as a consequence it entails those). Rather, only those who PERSONALLY KNOW Jesus are Christians.
@EmetTalmudim6 I know exactly what you're saying. You are trying to imply that I wasn't a REAL christian, like so many believers I have talked to before. Well, you're wrong.
And yes, it's possible for a "TRUE" christian to reason their way out of faith too.
@olasonn not you personally at all; I'm saying knowing ABOUT someone & KNOWING someone are two vitally differant things. Only those who KNOW Jesus are truly Christians. Case in point, I know WHO the president of the United States is but I do not personally KNOW Barack Oboma, therefore Barack Obama is not my personal friend nor am I his because we do not know eachother.
@EmetTalmudim6 I know exactly what you mean, but I have no clue as to why you keep going on and on about it. I was a true Christian, but reasoned my way out of my faith. I understand why some want to put my past faith in doubt, so they more easily can dismiss my testimony, but it would be wrong.
@olasonn I'm not talking about faith, but about KNOWING someone personally. & logic says there's a huge & vital difference between knowing about someone or believing their claim & knowing them personally. I in no way doubt your past faith or sincerity but those aren't the same thing as knowing someone personally.
@EmetTalmudim6 I still know EXACTLY what you mean, and I can assure you I was a true Christian. The only reason I see for you continue to repeat yourself is a desire on your part to discredit me as not having been a true Christian. Am I right? I've seen that desperate move so often from believers, it's really getting old.
@olasonn then logic is wrong because it dictates that knowing WHO somebody is (or even agreeing with them) is NOT the same thing as KNOWING SOMEONE PERSONALLY.
@olasonn before I answer fully, let me, if I may, focus on something from earlier for a moment;
You asked peace378ify "Faith in what?"; Faith in WHO & WHAT the believer knows personally (In this case Jesus; & as a consequence, that He has not & will not let them down).
1.Well, according to every credible 21'st SECULAR academic who doesn't believe Him to be Who He claimed to be, the FACT that He lived is just that, as is 99% of the basic facts of His life.
2.According to even His most ardent detractors (both Jewish & Pagan, Secular or otherwise), in the first & second centuries AD, He existed & 99% of the basic facts of His life are true.
3.The only thing either take issue with is not that He lived but if He was Who He claimed to be.
@EmetTalmudim6 No, there is no such concensus. There MIGHT have been a Jesus-person who the character in the gospels is based on, but we don't know that for sure at all.
And, this is not the person we are arguing about existing or not, it's the supernatural Jesus, as depictec in the gospels we are talking about. And there is NO concensus that he has lived.
1.Did NONE of His 1st & 2nd century AD detractors (Jew & pagan, secular & not) deny He lived & the basic facts of His life?
2.Why, of all the SECULAR documentaries made every Christmas & Easter, if not all yr round-Many of which can only try to downplay the basic facts of His life NOT THAT THEY OCCURED OR THAT HE LIVED-Pick any educational network you like(& given the state of educational networks I
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kinnia416 2 days ago
@gregrutz so you were there watching the mountains grow from dust! there are things which u always cant explain with science! and u know that too..!
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@gregrutz I know the One Who was there when it happened. Since He can't lie or err & men(including scientists)do I'll go with Him.
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@EmetTalmudim6 So Jesus rose from the dead? So you were there; I know I wasn't.
''millions of yrs doesn't sound gradual to you'' WTF are you talking about ?!?
Mountain take millions of years to rise up and be warn down.
And I am a scientist dummy.
gregrutz 4 days ago
I love this!
tebuny1 6 days ago in playlist Gospel Of John - The Movie Part 1 of 19
(Re text at the opening of the vidoe) I didn't realise that anyone believed that the book of John was written 2 generations after the death of Christ. That would make it "The gospel of some guy who wasn't alive pretending to be John". The Gospel of John was written within the 1st generation after Jesus' crucifiction by a 1st hand witness to the life, ministry and death of Jesus. That is what makes it a compelling testimony.
Moving2U 1 week ago
@Moving2U Two generations doesn't mean the author wasn't there-Though I agree, the evidence shows a date of 20-30 yrs within timeframe of the events, not exactly even 1 generation 'ey-
EmetTalmudim6 4 days ago
It was investigated by the Roman Inquisition and they concluded that it could only be supported as a possibility, not as an established fact. Galileo later defended his views in Dialogue Concerning the Two Chief World Systems, which appeared to attack Pope Urban VIII and thus alienated him and the Jesuits, who had both supported Galileo up until this point. He was tried by the Inquisition, found "vehemently suspect of heresy", forced to recant, and spent the rest of his life under house arrest.
gregrutz 1 week ago
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EmetTalmudim6 1 week ago
@gregrutz
The Roman Inquisition's conclusions; Because it contradicted Aristotle-a Greek pagan-& hence scientific concensus.
"Mathematics is the alphabet with which God has written the universe." Galileo
EmetTalmudim6 1 week ago
@EmetTalmudim6 You still don't get it. The Science of the times was called the Catholic Church and the bible. Galileo proved them wrong. Kind of like when geologists proved there was no global flood.
gregrutz 1 week ago
Isaiah 40 : 22-24
“He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers.”
I can draw a circle on a flat piece of paper, they are 2 Dimensional. FLAT.
And you can’t sit above a sphere.
gregrutz 1 week ago
@gregrutz if you transcend that sphere you can. I'm sitting above my dog's rubber ball as wee speak, because I transcend it.
EmetTalmudim6 1 week ago
i want God help me
samsone77 2 weeks ago
@tendele7, the original language was Greek, not English
fenway567 3 weeks ago
A cool version of the first chapter can be found at biblebuds John 1.
biblebuds 3 weeks ago
@quality4life4eva God bless u
RamyNessim 3 weeks ago 2
Jesus was a made up name. J was not in the english language till the 1700's. The name is revealed in the book of Joshua but that name was pronounced Yashua.
tendele7 1 month ago
@tendele7 Hey, did you know that in other countries they spoke in different languages? Jesus is the english translation of a Jewish name.
TheSillyJimmy 5 days ago
Desmond from Lost!
biblebasher86 1 month ago
I Luv u Jesus!!! Amen.
Slushyfreeze 1 month ago
i hope every actor in this movie is a true christian of God living for only HIM..
folabad 1 month ago
Wait a minute. I'm gonna go read the Hobbit. that seems like a better waste of time.
thedarkshitstain 1 month ago
Gospel Of John is my favorite.
prohardyfakerd 1 month ago
he came in the world so we can here the message its eternal life for humains so they can live forever on earth
toto11132 1 month ago
I don't like this, I love this!
If you don't BELIEVE
please keep your opinion to yourself,
kindly, Max Clough~
alsoknownasceasar 1 month ago
Thank you for sharing
MrAnthonieify 1 month ago
The acting in this movie is pretty solid; though Jesus has a nice "Chill out guys, I got this." look :]
redquoter 1 month ago
Magnificent
teceyS3 2 months ago
@ angelicfaith94 great movie upload keep up the good work. I find it interesting that people hate Jesus from past to present when his message is so filled iwth eerything we need in life that kids understand it better then adults. I am amazed that mankind hates someone who died for them to save them from their sins. Also it gave us salvation, eternal life, and a place in heaven to be with the father forever. Someone please tell me the problem with this message and how it hurts people to accept.
mayjason84 2 months ago
The opening comment also fails to point out that the author of the Gospel of John was John the Apostle who walked and lived with Jesus and was a faithful eyewitness.
gloryboundkev 2 months ago in playlist Gospel of John movie
The opening comments in this movie are antichrist. The Jewish law said cursed is anyone who is hung on a tree, so Jesus took our curse upon Himself.
gloryboundkev 2 months ago in playlist Gospel of John movie
if you dont belive in god then why are you here why disprove something that isnt real to you? it doesnt make since to me, its like that unicorn box story but whois really crazy the 100billion of people who seen the unicorn or the few who dont and they try so hard to blind people >think about that ha...ps dont respond your nagetivety like always ill ignore u dont waste your time god bless
TheSusietv 2 months ago
LOST fans anyone?
TheSusietv 2 months ago
Thumbs up to everybody who loves Jesus and to those who don't, we pray you do to
quality4life4eva 2 months ago 62
@quality4life4eva Salam yes every one should love and follow Jesus peace be upon him and Prophet Mohammed peace be upon him and every one should worship only one GOD who does not beget and is not begotten.. Peace be upon all of you
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EmetTalmudim6 2 months ago
a ka mundesi me e gjete kete film te perkthyer ne shqip?please
MrBesa79 2 months ago
the one who dont believe in god are the devil!!
u!? r u god believers or not? coz f u dont! then u r devil!
mizblue26 3 months ago
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trubornagain 3 months ago
@trubornagain We are indeed at war, but not with them; Ultimately they are enslaved victims, willing victims perhaps granted but victims nonetheless as we were before we knew Christ. Prayer & Bible study will accomplish much more than confronting deceived puppets.
EmetTalmudim6 2 months ago
@trubornagain God bless sibling& friend in Christ
EmetTalmudim6 2 months ago
Who is Jesus? The great I AM thats who and every knee shall bow eventualy weather here on earth or a the judgment.i pray for many it will be here on eartg God bless
chazbriggs 4 months ago
@chuteleach So, not open at all, like most believers of all faiths. Got it.
olasonn 4 months ago
@chuteleach
That there are gods, and/or that the one you believe in doesn't exist.
Even if you don't believe it now, you could still be wrong.
olasonn 4 months ago
@olasonn Just out of curiosity, why do you adhere to the faith you do, and not some other? And no, not a reason made up later, the original reason. What convinced you?
olasonn 4 months ago
@chuteleach But you do see that you could be wrong?
olasonn 4 months ago
@chuteleach
Are you open to there not being any gods?
Also, how do you go from believing there is a god to a specific one?
olasonn 4 months ago
@chuteleach
I don't accept it because you are wrong. This is no reason to believe in gods, and certainly not one specific one. None of this is why you believe in a god, it's just something made up after the fact to defend your already taken position.
You think it's possible for something non-physical to create and interact with something physical, without any explanation of how this is possible. How can you?
olasonn 4 months ago
@chuteleach You start with the conclusion, very unscientific. Try again.
olasonn 4 months ago
@chuteleach
Still doesn't disprove a god. Try again.
olasonn 4 months ago
@chuteleach
Scientists disagree. You can't replicate it, but surely test it otherwise.
Your example of falsification fails, cause even if something can be created from nothing, that doesn't disprove a god. Try again.
olasonn 4 months ago
@chuteleach
Sure we can test the big bang. Google "Tests of Big Bang Cosmology" and see for yourself.
Falisiability is a big part of testing, and you still haven't answered how you can falsify your god-hypothesis, even though I have asked many times.
Evolution is not only logical, but supportes by ALL known evidence. But why you bring that up here, I don't know. It has nothing to do with gods being real or not.
olasonn 4 months ago
@chuteleach
You and the video game are both physical, made of atoms...etc. There are physical laws explaining how you can interact with a video game, there are no explanations of how something non-physical can interact with physical things. Surely you can see this?
And why should I give an example of that? What would that prove?
olasonn 4 months ago
@chuteleach
1: What? Is that a good comparison, you think? That is the close to being the craziest thing I've ever heard.
2: No...you're not doing what scientists do. They create a hypothesis that they test and discard if there's no evidence for it or the evidence points another way. How would you test your god-hypothesis?
olasonn 4 months ago
@chuteleach
So, not knowing is a perfectly good stance when not having information?
I agree.
olasonn 4 months ago
@chuteleach
So, you make up a god that is outside universal laws to get rid of the origins problem. That doesn't explain anything or make it any more probable. How can something exist outside the universal laws, while interacting with this same universe? If you don't see the problems here you are not keeping your eyes open.
olasonn 4 months ago
@chuteleach
Why is not a god bound to physical laws? How can a god create physical things when not being physical himself? What did he do before creating the universe and for how long? Where was he?
olasonn 4 months ago
@chuteleach
Matter could have existed all along, no matter if you understand how or not. If a god could, matter could have also.
I don't believe aliens did it either, I was just throwing it out there since it's just as valid a point as saying a god did it --- not a good one that is.
olasonn 4 months ago
@chuteleach
No, it could have been aliens that did it for all I know. To be an atheist you only have to not believe the god-hypothesis, and that's pretty easy since it's not convincing at all.
Just because we don't know everything at present doesn't mean we should make up gods to attempt to explain it. It has been done throughout the ages, with very little to show for.
olasonn 4 months ago
@chuteleach
You understand it but can't explain it? That doesn't sound too convincing to me.
And I'm not claiming the universe created itself, the matter could have been here all along.
I mean, if there is a god(s) he/she/it/they must be more complex than the universe, and therefore can't be assumed to have just existed always any more than the universe could have. Agreed?
olasonn 4 months ago
@chuteleach
Which god? And who created him? You're not resorting to special pleading and saying he was always here. are you? Cause then I can say that the universe was always here too.
olasonn 4 months ago
Praise Jesus!!!! AHHHH I"M FREEEE!!!! Only Jesus sets freeeeee!!!!
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youneekk 4 months ago
it is fun....
Xoxolovely1129Mimi 4 months ago
@Xoxolovely1129Mimi you are fun...
nonnah9 2 days ago
Thank you very much!God bless you.
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John3:34 For he whom God have sent speaketh the word of God for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him. Jesus is the living word of God and Jesus lives in everyone who believe and confess him to be the saviour. Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ nevertheless I live yet not I but Christ liveth in me and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God who love me and gave himself to me. type up JUSTIFIED BY FELLA SOUL AND RECEIVE WHAT GOD GAVE ME TO GIVE!
john50969 4 months ago
@AwareDisciple -While i was watching there is a part where Jesus is telling everyone that He is "I AM -Before Abraham" they didnt believe so I said in my heart "Lord I believe in you" and my whole body was covered in a glow and Jesus was standing beside me and all my past life was erased and my heart was overflowing with so much Love and compassion My whole heart was changed -Everything changed -my behavior and all I cld talk abt was Jesus - its 6 yrs since then Nov 23 2005 n now start a church
newlifenbc2 4 months ago
Why some people of the LORD's people don't believe god anymore?
HeckNoKing82 4 months ago
How they make it?
HeckNoKing82 4 months ago
why argue with disbelievers on youtube. Who cares what they think, Its called faith. Not all have it.
Wheres2pac 4 months ago 4
why does john the baptist say he is not elijah, but in matthew the disciples understand him to be elijah? i do not understand.
lauri787 5 months ago
Jesus christ deserves to be worshiped i cannot begin to imagine the pain he went through for other peoples doings, its beautiful that god would care so much about us people that he would die on the cross for the bad things that we have done praise lord and savior jesus christ whos second coming im happily waiting for amen
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ACTS2619 5 months ago
I wish I was there !!!
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Metrelb 5 months ago
I got saved while watching the movie...Awesome!!! praise God!!!
newlifenbc2 5 months ago 15
@newlifenbc2 ?please explian how did can be possible....don't want u to be deceived
AwareDisciple 4 months ago
@newlifenbc2 Praise God !!!
TheAkilah1 4 months ago
@newlifenbc2 please talk the bible with me
01aharley 4 months ago
@01aharley -Sure -Anytime
newlifenbc2 3 months ago
wait..if you dont believe in jesus why are so many wasting their time even looking up this movie? thats a bit..redundant.
iiFlii 5 months ago
a degree?..lol..so if my parents dont have luck...I see CSU? fuck off.
ribbit..
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come on corrupter. get real.
001001sith 6 months ago
he was a faggot.
001001sith 6 months ago
i..want..
the one who
will grin and test gravity with their saliva..drooling..
you know who you are...
001001sith 6 months ago
@001001sith So how did you gravitate from the doucebags kennel toward enlightenment?
MrTheCorrupter 6 months ago
@MrTheCorrupter dumbass..i said i want the one gravitating,,I have not yet found gravitational -manipulation..you red-headed Dionysus offspring..
only douchebags like you cant spell it.
you vomit your own enlightenment...hypocrite of the broad path.
001001sith 6 months ago
@001001sith Dionysus offspring?- what do you mean by that?,am I supposed to give the douche bag on the keyboard,acclaim for plain stupid words and phrases?.You think thats smart?,stop playing counter strike and go get a degree you fool.I know what you meant,I asked you a separate question my incoherent little frog.
MrTheCorrupter 6 months ago
You dont have to believe in anything bigger,but remember this EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW AND EVERY TONGUE SHALL CONFESS THAT HE IS LORD.... SO YOU CAN CHOOSE NOT TO BELIEVE IN ANYTHING BUT, AT THE END YOU WILL BOW. GOD BLESS YOU AND TO ALL WHO REALLY DONT KNOW WHO GOD TRULEY IS...
spabon430 6 months ago
Woahhh whats with the 5 zillion pages of debate below? Stop clogging the comments please. If you like this movie, just enjoy it and comment on the movie not go off on a tangent about religious debate. If you hate the movie, click the little red 'x' on your browser.
chocchipcookiegirl 6 months ago
Ahh, skeptics. Nonbelievers cannot believe in things of the spirit, because they are spiritually discerned. Its like trying to speak spanish to a greek. Spanish means nothing to the greek and likewise greek means nothing to the spanish speaker. So it is with the things of the spirit, the things of the spirit are foolishness to those who dont have the spirit, because they are spiritually discerned. Those without the spirit are not meant to understand it. Jesus is real, concensus means nothing.
klok95330 6 months ago
@klok95330 I felt you said it right. Without religious title I still relate to Jesus and aware of the presence of divine order aside rational justification systems, skeptic and or scientific evolution theories proposed. When spirit becomes a debate it misses the point to connection and the word and a battle of egos. Just as Jesus found out when challenging the system which represented a different walk of life. Live according to the physical alone or to live in the spirit.
GameLevelEditor 6 months ago
@MasterOranda Haha...like I said, I get that a lot. It's just some believers way of trying to more easily dismiss me reasoning my way out of my faith. Dishonest and desperate is all it is.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasson given that we're talking about;
1.A country roughly only 7,477 sqare kilometers larger than New Jersey
2.A point in history-prior to the Internet, Gossip columns, & TV sensationalism-in which almost no one wrote just making it up out of their own mind
3.A culture in which literarilly & orally transmitting history concisely were regarded as an act of one's faith
4.That there were over 500 people who knew Him & were still alive to confirm what they knew,
that's highly unlikely.
EmetTalmudim6 6 months ago
BC and AD is proof enuf that HE existed to me.
amberhoneytress 6 months ago
I really love this movie
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PirateDumbell1 6 months ago
@Forysan
Are you implying that those phrases mean the same????? Unbelievable.
Are you then implying that it's not allowed to contradict the consensus? Even worse.
If you want to stay true to yourself, which is the most important thing, you will look for these historical errors which historians agree are there. If not, just continue saying that you believe the book of Daniel is historically correct, since you haven't seen anything suggesting otherwise due to not looking.
olasonn 7 months ago
@olasonn
The point is impartiality & an unbiased open forum-which is what academia is suppose to be about-is impossible when those who determine what is published or debated are unwilling to do so, because the facts aren't conveniant for them. That's what you have, at the very least, when they are so devoted to secular humanism that they are willuing to take kickbacks rather than even acknowledge the alternative as a possibility-a FACT admitted by History Channel, a SECULAR NETWORK-
Forysan 6 months ago
@Forysan The evidence rules, if you can back up your case with sufficient evidence it WILL achieve consensus NO MATTER what it is. There is no conspiracy to keep religious claims out due to them being religious, if they are rejected it is ONLY due to lack of evidence.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn I told you I don't believe in conspiracies, but what I KNOW is greed can be a very powerful incentive.
Anyway, I gave you the name of the documentary, the yr it was made, & the network it came on
-So you have a SECULAR documentary, made up of interviews of several primarily minimalist academics unwilling to accept anything but a SECULARIST worldview, on a SECULAR educational network known to only promote a minimalist view of the Bible acknowledging the kickbacks-
Forysan 6 months ago
@Forysan Unwilling why? No evidence. Science goes by what is demonstrably true, we leave fiction to religions.
And if you think the academics are collaborating to keep the truth from emerging, that IS a conspiracy, one you seem to believe in, and it's nonsense.
IF you really are interested in the historical errors in Daniel, you'll watch the Yale lectures I linked to, though I doubt you are.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn as I said, if you're willing to watch the list of MAINSTREAM documentaries I'll post, I'd be more than happy to watch the Yale lectures.
My point about the ADMITTED kickbacks is not about them being particularly interested in with-holding the truth, it's about them being more interested in grants than in the FACTS.
Forysan 6 months ago
@Forysan I've seen both sides, even been a Christian for most of my adult life, I know all there is on that side. You need to watch the lectures to educate yourself. If you don't want to, which I understand why you wouldn't, go right ahead.
So, what is it that you think they're not considering, and what is the evidence for that?
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn in otherwords you won't watch the documentaries (If that's the case what point is there in dialog)? Just curious.
As regards the kickbacks I've told you already & given you the source for the admition. If you're so committed you'll not believe an official admition by one of your own (History Channel in this case) I CAN'T make you. All I can say is you have more faith than I do. You are worthy of a greater God than doubt or secular humanism.
Forysan 6 months ago
@Forysan It would be a waste of time for me, since I know both sides. The dialog WAS on Daniel, until you wanted to change it to something else. You said there were no historical errors in Daniel, at least that you didn't know of any, and I am showing you were you can find them neatly laid out by professionals. If you want to deny yourself that knowledge, be my guest. Just remember that for the future you can't say that you don't know about errors, but that you refuse to hear about them.
olasonn 6 months ago
@Forysan And again, what is it that you think they're not considering, and what is the evidence for that?
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn that's not the issue; we could just as easily be talking about any other fact of history & the issue would be the same. IVY league academia is more interested in grants & book royalties these days than they are in FACTS & EVIDENCE, so it doesn't matter how much you show them it WON'T even be given consideration because they're not about to give up their cash cow. That's not what academia is suppose to be about.
Forysan 6 months ago
@Forysan Nope, that is a crazy claim. Facts and evidence is all there is, and anyone can challenge the consencus IF they have evidence to back it up. Why don't you give it a go?
This is nothing but another religious conspiracy claim, AND YES IT IS A CONSPIRACY CLAIM.
If you have nothing to worry about, watch the lectures and you might just learn something. But I totally understand your unwillingness, I was the same way when I was a believer.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn
1.How can an official admition be a conspiracy?
2.Would you believe the MAINSTREAM documentaries (& the evidence in them) were I to send them to you?
Forysan 6 months ago
@Forysan I don't believe documentaries, they're not always honest. I check the claims directly from the sources.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn but you're willing to believe History Channel's bias even when they all but admit it? I didn't change the subject, I'm simply pointing out you CAN'T truly have open dialog ON ANY SUBJECT in a system willing to take kickbacks.
Forysan 6 months ago
@Forysan This is what I'll do.
Give me the quotes you feel prove your point, in written form or directly linked to them saying it in a video. I need the names of these IVY-league people saying what you claim they are saying, so I can check if the quotes are correct and not taken out of context. I may even contact them and ask if their quotes are being used fairly.
How's that?
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn Ok, somewhere there was a miscommunication; What I said was
a secular documentary by History Channel (a secular educational network), who are known for going out of their way to debunk the Bible,
acknowledged the kickbacks taken by those heads of secular academia who determine what articles, introductions get published & what information gets released in minimalist documentaries.
I was not referencing any particular individual/school only summarizing the corruption in the system.
EmetTalmudim6 6 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 Getting out of their way? No, just doing what has to be done, calling mythology what it is. Your religions is somehow truth while all others are false and/or myths? And every religions says the same about every other religion? Sure. Now, they can't all be right, but they can all be wrong.
I believe they all are myths.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn I told you already, it's NOT about religion, it's about relationship; The point is why would a SECULAR documentary on a SECULAR educational network KNOWN TO GO OUT OF ITS' WAY TO DEBUNK THE BIBLE acknowledge such a thing (IE the kickbacks) unless that was the case?
EmetTalmudim6 6 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 They're not going out of their way, they're doing a good job. Just like they would if they debunk flat-earthers. Would you say they're going out of their way debunking them?
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn oh, by the way, for personal reasons I will no longer becommenting on youtube via Forysan. So you can reach me at this new address.
EmetTalmudim6 6 months ago
@olasonn check out a famous Jewish General Josephus Flavious he was a writer of the time that mentions Jesus and John the baptist during the time he was alive. he wrote down all that he saw with the Destrustion of Jerusalem by the Romans and the politics at the time.
PirateDumbell1 6 months ago
@PirateDumbell1 Not a contemporary, and therefore not an eye witness.
Some think there have been additions made later, and nothing he says confirms any claim made by Christians.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn there is 2 versions of it. one of them he mentions them and the other that I believe is false and added by christians he says Jesus is the messiah I dont believe that one
PirateDumbell1 6 months ago
@PirateDumbell1 Anyway, not evidence of any religious claim.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn still it's another witness of the time that brings up Jesus and there are more too if you want to know them!
PirateDumbell1 6 months ago
@PirateDumbell1 Not a witness, since he didn't live at the same time, and only reported what someone told him. Not contemporary, not an eye witness, not a good source.
I know very well of the very few mentions of a historical Jesus, but none are good.
Watch this lecture about that from a biblical scholar Bart Ehrman: watch?v=3d4Mf0KfNHI
Here he goes through what is considered reliable sources of information. There are none for Jesus.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn ok somebody that was born 20 years later after he died doesn't make him credible?CORNELIUS TACITUS (55 - 120 A.D.) GAIUS SUETONIUS TRANQUILLUS (69 - 130 A.D.) THALLUS (~ 52 A.D.) PLINY THE YOUNGER (63 - 113 A.D)CELSUS (~ 178 A.D.) all guys that mention him and they were not christians. dont you realize that information was passed down at the time it's not like how we live today how we can just write a book in one day about what just happened for the last week.
PirateDumbell1 6 months ago
@PirateDumbell1 I know about those, not credible when asserting supernatural claims about Jesus. There may have been an actual guy named Jesus at the time, but there is no evidence of any miracles or that he was anything but a "normal" man.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn that's why there are the gospels to tell you about the miracles! I mean whatever you can go ahead and believe I can't convince an individual only God can do that lol
PirateDumbell1 6 months ago
@PirateDumbell1 The books in the bible is not evidence of anything, I'm afraid. Just mythological scriptures like any other religious book in the world. An early attempt at philosophy, trying to explain the world with the limited knowledge they had at the time.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn maybe you check yourself my friend because maybe your mind is limited in knowledge it can work both ways lol
PirateDumbell1 6 months ago
@PirateDumbell1 I was a sincere Christian for 16 years of my adult life, I don't need to "check" myself. I took a step back when I saw problems with my faith that I used to sweep under the rug, and gave it a thorough, critical examination. It didn't pass the test, and I wanted to be true to myself, and therefore left my faith. Everything I have read and learned since then has confirmed that to be a good decision.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn just because you probally think you made a "good decision" doesn't mean that it is. I mean hitler thought he made a "good decision" by trying to conquer the world but we all know that was an insane one.
PirateDumbell1 6 months ago
@PirateDumbell1 True, and I am always open to new evidence. It's just that I haven't been presented with any credible, believeable evidence reg. the existence of any gods.
I think I have seen most of what people consider evidence, and it comes up lacking every single time.
Most people inherit their faith from their parents, having been indoctrinated from childhood, and which faith you belong to is more due to geography than anything else.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn well, I already made up my mind and I won't change it. I don't want to be a doubting thomas.
PirateDumbell1 6 months ago
@PirateDumbell1 Won't change it no matter what? That is to me a ridiculous position. There's ALWAYS the possibility of being wrong, and if truth matters to you at all you'll be willing to follow the evidence WHERE EVER it may lead.
Does it not matter to you if you're right or not?
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn well there is proof that Jesus existed and was a person and I have "faith" and "believe" that he is who he claim's to be and that he did the miracles tha was written I don't need to go my whole life searching for answers when it's obviously right infront of me. the old testament prophecies talk about his arrival. what else do I need? it's a clear picture. maybe I'm the dumb one that doesn't know anything but I don't think so.
PirateDumbell1 6 months ago
@PirateDumbell1 No, there is not evidence of a Jesus doing miracles and supernatural, the stories may not even be based on a real person. Face it, if you were born in India, you would most likely be a hindu. In Pakistan and you would most likely be a Muslim. That you are a Christian is pure coincidence.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn that's why I have faith in the gospels. like what evidence are you looking for because they didnt have camera phones or youtube so we can see him heal the blind back then or people texting each other "hey did you see Jesus of nazereth?? yeah I took a pic of him on my phone I'm going to forward it to everyone!" yeah he is a real person we already had this discussion and Jesus is the english translation of iesous(greek) in the hebrew version of the gospel of matthew he is called Yeshua
PirateDumbell1 6 months ago
@PirateDumbell1 I see no difference between your holy book and the so called holy books of other religion. The reason you believe in the one you do is purely coincidence, and has NOTHING to do with it being true or not.
I know they didn't have cameras back then, but historians have certain criteria to determine what most likely happened and not, and the gospels does not meet them, hence no reason to believe them.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn dude it's not a coincidence because the gospel started from the jews the Jews spread it through out the area and the white man was the one to take it even further across the world. show me this information that doesn't meet criteria?
PirateDumbell1 6 months ago
@PirateDumbell1 The coincidence is you happening to have been born into the religion you adhere to. If you were born in India you would defend the Hindu faith with the same fervor. That you belong to the one you do is pure chance.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn you are assuming I would but we don't know that and my family has no christian background but I see ur point but well one time my great great great grandpa was a ship captain and he burned down a catholic hospital cause they were treating the patients badly and almost killed his mom. so he and his crew destroyed the place.
PirateDumbell1 6 months ago
@PirateDumbell1 That's was a stupid thing to do.
But if you at one time wasn't a Christian, what convinced you there is a god, and that it was the Judeo-Christian one?
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn that's a tough one because there was no specific moment where I just decided that I believed in God it's just a process I guess. everytime I thought about converting to Judaism I would get a scared feeling of anxiety idk it's weird to explain but now I made up my mind and plan on not changing it. wbu before you decided there wasn't one?
PirateDumbell1 6 months ago
@PirateDumbell1 At age 20 I became a Christian, having been convinced by someone I met in the army that prophecies had come true. That was the starting point, and my faith grew from there.
16 years later I got the urge to test my faith, due to no longer being able to sweep obvious problems under the rug. It fell faster than I could ever imagine, and I was left stunned as a non-believer again.
Why are you so certain about "not changing it"? If you realized it was wrong, would you still believe?
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn question is do you KNOW Jesus Christ? There's a VITAL difference between that & being convinced of the accuracy of prophecies; Observant Jews, believe the prophecies & their accuracy, realize there's a God, know Who He is & the Messiah is coming, but they don't KNOW God or the Messiah.
Muslims know there's a God, believe Jews & Christians to be people of the book & that there'll be a Messiah; But they don't Know Who God, THE Messiah is, or Jesus is, nor do they KNOW Him.
EmetTalmudim6 6 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 Do I know Jesus Christ? What kind of question is that to someone who isn't even convinced there is a historical Jesus. It's like me asking you if you know Muhammed.
I was a sincere believer, just like any other, but reasoned my way out of my faith. I'm sad it didn't happen sooner, there are many years wasted believing in fairy tales, but I'm happy I had the courage to test my faith at all. I just wish more people did the same.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn what I'm saying is knowing ABOUT someone or being sincerely convinced who they are & that their promises are true are not the same thing as KNOWING that person. A true Christian is not someone who merely knows about Jesus or is sincerely convinced His promises are true (although as a consequence it entails those). Rather, only those who PERSONALLY KNOW Jesus are Christians.
EmetTalmudim6 6 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 I know exactly what you're saying. You are trying to imply that I wasn't a REAL christian, like so many believers I have talked to before. Well, you're wrong.
And yes, it's possible for a "TRUE" christian to reason their way out of faith too.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn not you personally at all; I'm saying knowing ABOUT someone & KNOWING someone are two vitally differant things. Only those who KNOW Jesus are truly Christians. Case in point, I know WHO the president of the United States is but I do not personally KNOW Barack Oboma, therefore Barack Obama is not my personal friend nor am I his because we do not know eachother.
EmetTalmudim6 6 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 I know exactly what you mean, but I have no clue as to why you keep going on and on about it. I was a true Christian, but reasoned my way out of my faith. I understand why some want to put my past faith in doubt, so they more easily can dismiss my testimony, but it would be wrong.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn I'm not talking about faith, but about KNOWING someone personally. & logic says there's a huge & vital difference between knowing about someone or believing their claim & knowing them personally. I in no way doubt your past faith or sincerity but those aren't the same thing as knowing someone personally.
EmetTalmudim6 6 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 I still know EXACTLY what you mean, and I can assure you I was a true Christian. The only reason I see for you continue to repeat yourself is a desire on your part to discredit me as not having been a true Christian. Am I right? I've seen that desperate move so often from believers, it's really getting old.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn then logic is wrong because it dictates that knowing WHO somebody is (or even agreeing with them) is NOT the same thing as KNOWING SOMEONE PERSONALLY.
EmetTalmudim6 6 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 Again, I am aware of the difference. But it's impossible to know someone personally that doesn't exist.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn before I answer fully, let me, if I may, focus on something from earlier for a moment;
You asked peace378ify "Faith in what?"; Faith in WHO & WHAT the believer knows personally (In this case Jesus; & as a consequence, that He has not & will not let them down).
EmetTalmudim6 6 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 You can't know someone personally that doesn't exist.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn
1.Well, according to every credible 21'st SECULAR academic who doesn't believe Him to be Who He claimed to be, the FACT that He lived is just that, as is 99% of the basic facts of His life.
2.According to even His most ardent detractors (both Jewish & Pagan, Secular or otherwise), in the first & second centuries AD, He existed & 99% of the basic facts of His life are true.
3.The only thing either take issue with is not that He lived but if He was Who He claimed to be.
EmetTalmudim6 6 months ago
@EmetTalmudim6 No, there is no such concensus. There MIGHT have been a Jesus-person who the character in the gospels is based on, but we don't know that for sure at all.
And, this is not the person we are arguing about existing or not, it's the supernatural Jesus, as depictec in the gospels we are talking about. And there is NO concensus that he has lived.
olasonn 6 months ago
@olasonn then why;
1.Did NONE of His 1st & 2nd century AD detractors (Jew & pagan, secular & not) deny He lived & the basic facts of His life?
2.Why, of all the SECULAR documentaries made every Christmas & Easter, if not all yr round-Many of which can only try to downplay the basic facts of His life NOT THAT THEY OCCURED OR THAT HE LIVED-Pick any educational network you like(& given the state of educational networks I