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Wow! Some of the most majestic physical art forms that it's been my pleasure to observe.....and occasionally participate in, though nothing like the level of these guys!
for a battle you really need capoeira that is more acrobatic. some capoeiristas are insane. look up spee d, hes a capoeirista and a break dancer. regardless of the style, what helps is to train to perfection, the acrobatics here werent at the needed level to compete. nonetheless, looked like a lot of fun. the last two breakers really nailed it.
interestin concept... cdo style capoeria has more musicality than other styles, therefore better match to breakin. i see alot of capoeristas can't do the power moves and freezes that bboys do, but do similar moves with motion. capoeria is more fluiddd. i train both... thats my opinion...
I thought the capoeristas had it. Much more graceful...and what was up with the b-girls? I don't know, but those air flares shouldn't have been the close of the battle, the bboys got schooled if you ask me.
LOL both the capoeirstas and bboys suck in this video. This battle could have been much better. If they had Capoeiristas from cordao de ouro this battle would have looked like something.
Nah it's not an opinion, you're100% right. However when you are surrounded by people who probaby know nothing about capoeira then basics don't even matter. they just wanna see flashy moves.
nice vid, but it would have been even nicer if the capoeiristas would have done something together, like a real game... think that makes it even better, because you see how both players interact...
but like shifre said, it's nice to see a break vs Capoeira with a win win situation...
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African slaves been exported to brazil and were prevented from learning how to fight so they invented a new fighting style and made it up like a dance so u their owners couldn't tell its a fighting style and it worked , thats how capoeira was born
I'm not saying breakdance came from capoeira and I'm not saying it didn't but I just want to add in a few points.
1stly; The initial story (from capoeiristas) is that a bunch of capoeiristas went to New York and just opened a roda. Breakers loved it and imitated it. So the fact about whichever race started off with breaking (Afro-Americans or hispanic).
2ndly I've seen posts about how they are nothing alike. To those people I beg them to actually watch clips of both sports taken place.
Most moves in Capoeira and Breakdancing are similiar. The only differences I see is the kicks (as one is a dance the other is a martial art HIDDEN in a dance). Also when breaking you don't really defend yourself that much.
Lastly the music isn't different. Breakers do it according to the breaks of the track and one cld say capoeiristas do it as well. When I went to watch both classes I found that the capoeiristas do it to the melody and drum beats, so not too much difference.
As for the other things I was going to say on how they're not related have already been done below me. All I'm saying is can we stop this argument? Breakers and Capoeiristas should be banding together because of the similarities of the martial arts. Besides, it's always gr8 to see Capoeira vs Breaking without thinking "If we lose this battle then no-one will practise our sport" and getting angry at the little mistakes. We sld be like "We pity the fool who can't do handstands and toprock/ginga".
Well Capoeira started out as a dance, it can be a dance at times (depending on the club you go to, and it does follow rhythm, why else would the rhythm be there?) and 'sort of' doesn't quite cut it. Please can you refer to all my posts and arguments, in other words, stop the argument!!!
"B.boying" is not offensive, it's the original term from back in the day, "b.girlin" can be used as well, unfortunately youtube's got a character limit so I had to cut my post short. Capoeira is not a dance, since in the roda, which is the proper setting in which capoeira is done, capoerisitas don't follow the rythm once they engage in fast kicks and dodges (you can't dodge a kick while following the beat, you would get hit). If you use capoeira moves to dance in a club, that's another thing.
b.boying is offensive as it connotates that breakdancing is for guys only and that girls who choose to do breakdancing are classed as 'other' almost. I know my linguistics, it would be worrying if I didn't.
Please go check on wikipedia. It was hidden in a dance, therefore it does involve elements of dance + fighting. It says nothing about acrobatic movements. And this is coming from someone who HATES wikipedia. In other words: DO BASIC RESEARCH
Sex is a human activity done for pleasure and reproductive ends. It can be physically demanding or have benefits for the body, but it's not a sport as we understand the term, man. You're stretching meanings here.
Capoeira isn't focused on following the rhythm and/or expressing yourself according to the music, since it's only used as a background for the performance (like aerobics). Therefore, it can't be clasified as a dance. Unlike breaking, ballet, tango, flamenco, etc
Just admit where you're wrong. It is called as a sport, maybe not a competitive or a team sport but nonetheless it is classed as a sport. I'm not stretching the meanings here and you do do capoeira to the music. I'm sick and tired of repeating myself.
Go on wikipedia, go on to capoeria(dot)com. Go on to any capoeira site and talk with any capoeirista.
By the way your sexually discriminating again.
You've also forgotten the original argument and I'm nt gona post 3 bits + remind you.
Sex classified as a sport? Dude don't know what are you talking about. I know what I'm talking about, I've done capoeira and break, both of them, you haven't, I know more about their differences than you. You CANT DODGE kicks to the beat, it's illogical. Take fencing for instance: can they they practice it with background music? Of course. Would it make sense to fence "to the beat"? No, it would impair their ability to attack, parry... same with capoeira. Therefore it's NOT a dance.
2) Dude is either surfer talk for 'male' or it means something offensive. I know my English vocab thank you, you should go learn it before giving me lessons
3) Capoeira isn't a FIGHT!!!! You obviously haven't done Capoeria well have you? You don't understand the ideology.
Actually I have done both and I know about their differences well. Don't act like you know it all. So stop being an idiot, go back and read the original point and shut up.
As I said English is not my native language, so don't misinterpret my words, "dude" (btw in American English "dude" means male, as it comes from surfer jargon).
I have done capoeira and quite some more breaking, and also pasodoble, flamenco and contemporary dance. You can't counter my points, which are crystal clear for anyone who knows anything about dance. You do not, and like capoeira so much that you somehow take it as a personal attack. I'm sorry for you, but you are NOT DANCING.
these organisations teach how to use Capoeira for show, not for MA or dance.
I'd like to add that when the beat goes slow capoeiristas must be slower. That's the difference between Angola, Regional and contemporary capoeira. Contemps usually start with a fast beat, fast gingas, fast kicks, cartwheels and while the capoeristas are in the roda slow the beat down and the capoeiristas follow. You get yelled at if you ignore the beat.
And don't tell me I can't dodge a kick to the beat because I can and many others can as well.
I'd also like to remind you the question I was subtly putting forth (if not openly): Why do you want Capoeiristas and Breakers to argue about the origins of breakdancing?
PS if we used original terms we'd still be using wench and a couple of racist words and sexually discriminatory words that I can't type because I'll probably be banned from youtube.
Following the beat while at the sime time kicking your opponendt and dodging his kicks is impossible, simply put. You can do it if you have a choreography or made up a routine with your oppoinent, but then, you're not actually engaging in a simulated fight and dodging him, you're doing a routine. If an opponent kicks you in the mid of an upbeat and a downbeat, he'll connect his kick unless you dodge him OFFBEAT.
Therefore it's not dancing since the focus is not on the MUSIC (unlike b.boying), but on the moves your opponent does. This reveals more clearly if you study solfege: try counting (in it's musical sense) the beat of a song capoeira is being played to and THEN, count the rhythm of the capoeirista. You'll see they don't match.
please don't get snotty with me. Breakdance might be what the media coined but the breakers (or the b-boyers as you put it, which is offensive as it is sexually discriminative) call the art breakdancing as well.
The rythm is there as in aerobics or circus shows: it's just a background music. It doesn't correlate to the movements of the capoeiristas. In breakin' / b.girlin', you HAVE to dance to the music (another different thing is that some breakers nowadays care only about flashy moves and don't follow the beat), or otherwise, you're not dancing. So breakin' is a dance and capoeira is not. It doesn't make one better than the other, just different.
Firstly, it's rHythm. Secondly YOU DO HAVE TO DO IT TO THE MUSIC IN CAPOEIRA AS WELL. They don't teach beginners that but you ginga according to the beat. That's why you clap. That's why you have the drums!
LASTLY I really don't care at this point. If you read my original post it's that breakers and capoeiristas SHOULD WORK TOGETHER!!!
And your comment is still sexist. You call it b-girlin. Please just refer to it as breaking WITHOUT the apostrohphe (which is what the media put in).
At the start of a roda it's possible for two capoeristas to follow the beat, but it's impossible later on as the pace increases (you can't kick, dodge, do acrobacies AND do it to the rhythm, that way you'll be unable to dodge your opponent).
Lastly I don't think what they should work together on. Breakers should dance, which is what breakin' is about. Capoeiristas should do their stuff, which is not a dance. No animosity between the two, but it's not a dance, sorry.
It is a dance. That's why you have grades in capoeirs to focus on all of the above. As you go up a grade they want you to feel the music more and again it depends on the club you go to and again just look at the ginga. I feel like a parrot talking to you, just read my previous posts.
As for breakers and capoeiristas not being friends? That's just silly, c'mon. Breakers aren't
considered dancers, just criminals who do gymnastics and capoeiristas aren't considered any of the groups that they belong. If out Capoeira brothers and sisters defended our Breaker brothers and sisters wouldn't it make life that much easier for both sports? Well???
I mean c'mon, so many capoeristas have become breakers and vice versa. So I ask you again, why shouldn't they be friends? My best mate and I met because he was a breaker and I'm a capoeirista
What are you talking about? Breaking is an urban dance style, just ask any sociologist or dance teacher. Of course one breaker and one capoeirista can be friends, it's got nothing to do with that. I'm a b.boy and I'm friends with judo fighters, aerobic teachers and skateboarders, but neither of those are DANCE STYLES.
I'm not saying no one should fight, but capoeira isn't a dance, as it isn't aerobics. I trained capoeira for half a year and have breaked for some years now, I know what I'm talkin
and we stuck up for each other's sports when people sneered at us. No animosity? I think not. You obviously are prejudiced.
So give me, yourself and everyone else here a break. The point was (and still was) that Capoeiristas and Breakers shouldn't FIGHT. If you want to destroy the peace then don't mind if I get angry.
wow you guys are straight trivial on this breakdancing stuff. bboying is not heavily influenced by capoeira whatsoever. it draws itself from many foreign dances and techniques. capoeira is not breakdancing, breakdancing is not capoeira. capoeira is martial, breakdancing is not.
This is house music they are dancing too. These two dance styles can be used with almost any kind of music. Enjoy!! Very good battle. I think Breaking took it at the end. One!!
Yeah this is totally unfair... poor capoeiristas :( I've definitely seen better acrobatics... if only they would do more combos and variations in their flips they might've shown them up.
I think events like this are good for both capoeira and b-dancing. Obviously this kind of confontation favors b-dancing since capoeira is designed for 1vs1 but it is still cool and its all about fun anyway.
who cares who's the best? Yes, I've seen better capoeira (in and out of Brazil) and yes, I've seen better breakin'. It doesn't really matter though, because this is just a nice show. No more, no less, who cares who 'won'. It's a nice video showcasing some nice moves from both disciplines!!!
just so you all know Breakdancing is a spin off well capoeira, jsut watch the feet, spinns and the stalls. then the origins of break dancing. Spanish Harlem and Marlem
At most time i don't reply. But I've be into Coperia foir seven years, The Man I'm learnig from was born in Blazze, he grew up in Halem. Be sides most hip hop beats come from african beast. So You Check you Facts!
Haha... man what the hell are you talking about? Hip-hop beats come from old jazz and funk records (james brown, miles davis etc), and also from European synthpop/electro (Bambata sampling Kraftwerk for ex.). I'm talking about the original old school here. I did capoeira for a time, now I'm a b.boy. Check out the documentary about the history of b.boying: The Freshest Kids and you'll see old school b.boys making it clear that b.boying doesn't come from capoeira.
Capoeira existed in the city were breakdancing was created before it was created and they share similar moves. I mean, it isn't exactly conclusive, but you can understand why people think there's an influence.
I can understand that people think there is an influence. I'm just saying that, based on what the original b.boys have said in documentaries and interviews, it didn't really have any effect on it's (breakin's) formation. CHeck out "The Freshest kids" documentary, they talk about the subject with people who were there back in the days.
The capoeristas who brought capoeira to america started in New York around the same time people started copying James Brown because of the footwork he did in that one performance, whatever its called. They have similarities, the bboy circle, the roda. The capoeria name and the bboy name.I'm an ex bboy turned capoerista. Not every old school bboy was influenced by capoeira, but there are some.Bboying like capoeira is an art form the incorporates the environment around it.That's how you get style.
Nice, I'm an excapoeirista turned b.boy. The roda and the circle are just the logical gathering of people that are watching an event. A circle is the most logical formation to do so, because that's the way most people can watch it (as opposed to watch it forming a square, it would be silly). So I don't think they're related.
Maybe some got influenced I just said b.boying doesn't come from capoeira nor is it's main influence.
The roda isnt just the logical gathering of people so they can watch..roda exists for 2 reasons.. 1st: it doesnt let anybody uncalled to step inside.its like when we were kids.. we played with friends in circle so no one else comes, and intruders werent welcomed.. 2nd: roda gives energy to capoeiristas playing inside, and all participants of roda are singing, so if they sing good you will play better..but you wont be able to do so if they arent gathered in circle because you wont hear them
Roda is a logical gathering because it's in a circle form. A circle is a geometrical form where every point of its margins is at the same distance of the center. Therefore, everyone can watch what's going on inside. I understand what you're saying, all I'm saying is that the circle gathering isnt EXCLUSIVE to capoeira (a lot of other dances or spectacles take place in that form too), so it can't be held as an example of why capoeira "influenced" b.boying...
But surely the coincidental similarities cannot be coincidence... Afro Brazilian to Afro Brazilian American.. to American... The circle, the music, the moves... Break surely evolved from Capoeira.
No, in fact the first breakers were mostly hispanic (puerto rican), not african american. The circle is just, as I said, the logical gathering of people watching an spectacle (when circles form to watch street theater, would you say it's because capoeira's influence?), break music has NOTHING to do with capoeira music. The moves don't come from Capoeira either. People were doing handstands and flips before break or capoeira, man.
Cheers for tha CaosValencia, fair enough, man .. where is there more information on this? Ps. Valencia is a beautiful place, you causing chaos there?! You are damned lucky to live there! Peace.
You can check out the b.boy documentary "The Freshest Kids", some original b.boys talk about that topic in there, and there is footage from b.boys from back in the day. You can find it in Emule or other similar programs.
Also, in youtube, search for "detours parallels". It's a clip from a dance video featuring some b.boys named Detours. The idea in that clip is to show that there is something common between many human artistic expressions or disciplines of old and many from now (primarily b.boying). From kung-fu to tap dance, from africal tribal dance to yoga. Yes Valencia is beautiful, thanks! It's already chaotic, however haha ;) Peace man.
Not right buddie! I been breakin since 1994 and one of the first bboys to break where African Americans in the boogie down bronx.. Yes there was a lot of Puerto ricans and Dominicans but before them in Africa there was a bboy scene... Look at some of my videos on the history...
That was the best and most sportsmen like Capoeira vs. Breakdance battle I ever saw! I want to be in that... Hey, mabey I'll start up a battle over here and post it, yeah?!
Awe if the capoeiristas thrown some air flares like the guy at the end then they might of done better. Get Lateef Crowder in there then he would of torn them up.
I dont know about you guys but the great thing to me about Capoeira is that it can complement other stuff unlike other martial arts. True, first and foremost it is a martial art but I dont see the problem if they want to use what they have learnt in capoeira in somewhere outside the Hoda. Anyway it would have been nice if the capoeiristas played, I would love to see the breakers do the same without crashing their legs into one another.
@SozinhoABADA actually your wrong. Capoeira isn't just Martial Arts. Its Martial Arts with a combination of Dance & Music. Not the stuff you see on UFC or in Kung FU type movies.
I'd love see it. There are couple of guys in the video that we're visiting from Brazil but, as mentioned in another comment, the stage wasn't big enough for them to do very much.
that was sweet!! the breakers were wicked onli cause its wot they do!! i think if u throw lateef crowder in there it wudda been a different story tho!! but great vid none the less
Solo vs. solo is never in traditional capoeira's favor. Capoeira is built for a person interacting with a person. Break dance is style only of course it comes out looking better in this. The capoeiristas should have jumped in and dogded while the break dancers were still going if they wanted to show off- like jumping over the last guys spinning legs.
it all depends on how many tricks you have. My old groupo Axe Capoeira has some damn good soloists... do a search for Axe Capoeira solos. You'll be impressed.
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DawnTharpe 1 year ago
Wow! Some of the most majestic physical art forms that it's been my pleasure to observe.....and occasionally participate in, though nothing like the level of these guys!
Changeling9au 1 year ago
for a battle you really need capoeira that is more acrobatic. some capoeiristas are insane. look up spee d, hes a capoeirista and a break dancer. regardless of the style, what helps is to train to perfection, the acrobatics here werent at the needed level to compete. nonetheless, looked like a lot of fun. the last two breakers really nailed it.
kurosakilito 2 years ago
interestin concept... cdo style capoeria has more musicality than other styles, therefore better match to breakin. i see alot of capoeristas can't do the power moves and freezes that bboys do, but do similar moves with motion. capoeria is more fluiddd. i train both... thats my opinion...
nazonelife 2 years ago
show de criatividade, muito bom mesmo!!!
phd318 2 years ago
that last guy was a beast.
crow75789 2 years ago
I thought the capoeristas had it. Much more graceful...and what was up with the b-girls? I don't know, but those air flares shouldn't have been the close of the battle, the bboys got schooled if you ask me.
czboogie 2 years ago
LOL both the capoeirstas and bboys suck in this video. This battle could have been much better. If they had Capoeiristas from cordao de ouro this battle would have looked like something.
SPINMASTERX 3 years ago
From abada would be so much better =D
abarusso 2 years ago
Naaah Abada concetrates more on the basics. Cordao De Ouro and Capoeira Brazil have some amazing acrobats, more than Abada does.
SPINMASTERX 2 years ago
Ur right, but i think that acrobatics are more impressive when u have good basics, and when it's well placed...
It's my own opinion ^^
abarusso 2 years ago
Nah it's not an opinion, you're100% right. However when you are surrounded by people who probaby know nothing about capoeira then basics don't even matter. they just wanna see flashy moves.
SPINMASTERX 2 years ago 5
1:03 OUCH !!!!!!!!
stuntsaguilera 3 years ago
nice vid, but it would have been even nicer if the capoeiristas would have done something together, like a real game... think that makes it even better, because you see how both players interact...
but like shifre said, it's nice to see a break vs Capoeira with a win win situation...
HaileISela 3 years ago
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jazzas90000 3 years ago
African slaves been exported to brazil and were prevented from learning how to fight so they invented a new fighting style and made it up like a dance so u their owners couldn't tell its a fighting style and it worked , thats how capoeira was born
hammouminator 3 years ago
great, now in the ring capoeira is a mertial art.
emanuelhunk 3 years ago
the video is very good hahaha...breakers and capoeira for live
salve camadaras!!
pejone 3 years ago
I'm not saying breakdance came from capoeira and I'm not saying it didn't but I just want to add in a few points.
1stly; The initial story (from capoeiristas) is that a bunch of capoeiristas went to New York and just opened a roda. Breakers loved it and imitated it. So the fact about whichever race started off with breaking (Afro-Americans or hispanic).
2ndly I've seen posts about how they are nothing alike. To those people I beg them to actually watch clips of both sports taken place.
shifre 3 years ago
Most moves in Capoeira and Breakdancing are similiar. The only differences I see is the kicks (as one is a dance the other is a martial art HIDDEN in a dance). Also when breaking you don't really defend yourself that much.
Lastly the music isn't different. Breakers do it according to the breaks of the track and one cld say capoeiristas do it as well. When I went to watch both classes I found that the capoeiristas do it to the melody and drum beats, so not too much difference.
shifre 3 years ago
As for the other things I was going to say on how they're not related have already been done below me. All I'm saying is can we stop this argument? Breakers and Capoeiristas should be banding together because of the similarities of the martial arts. Besides, it's always gr8 to see Capoeira vs Breaking without thinking "If we lose this battle then no-one will practise our sport" and getting angry at the little mistakes. We sld be like "We pity the fool who can't do handstands and toprock/ginga".
shifre 3 years ago
nah man, b.boying (what you call "breakdance" which is a term the media coined) is a dance.
capoeira is some sort of gymnastics (it's not truly a dance since they don't follow the rythm and it isn't widely used to fight either).
nothing alike
caosvalencia 3 years ago
Well Capoeira started out as a dance, it can be a dance at times (depending on the club you go to, and it does follow rhythm, why else would the rhythm be there?) and 'sort of' doesn't quite cut it. Please can you refer to all my posts and arguments, in other words, stop the argument!!!
By the way,
shifre 3 years ago
"B.boying" is not offensive, it's the original term from back in the day, "b.girlin" can be used as well, unfortunately youtube's got a character limit so I had to cut my post short. Capoeira is not a dance, since in the roda, which is the proper setting in which capoeira is done, capoerisitas don't follow the rythm once they engage in fast kicks and dodges (you can't dodge a kick while following the beat, you would get hit). If you use capoeira moves to dance in a club, that's another thing.
caosvalencia 3 years ago
b.boying is offensive as it connotates that breakdancing is for guys only and that girls who choose to do breakdancing are classed as 'other' almost. I know my linguistics, it would be worrying if I didn't.
Please go check on wikipedia. It was hidden in a dance, therefore it does involve elements of dance + fighting. It says nothing about acrobatic movements. And this is coming from someone who HATES wikipedia. In other words: DO BASIC RESEARCH
shifre 3 years ago
Sport is recreation. If sex is considered a sport so is breakdancing and capoeira. By sport I meant physical activity.
Don't teach Capoeira to me. Capoeiristas do engage in rhythm as well. I'm tired of saying this enough times to make a hyperbole out of.
The art of capoeira is doing it to the beat which sets it apart from other martial arts.
Also, some organisations don't use Capoeira kicks to actually kick someone (in fact, all organisations do it non-contact) anyway,
shifre 3 years ago
Sex is a human activity done for pleasure and reproductive ends. It can be physically demanding or have benefits for the body, but it's not a sport as we understand the term, man. You're stretching meanings here.
Capoeira isn't focused on following the rhythm and/or expressing yourself according to the music, since it's only used as a background for the performance (like aerobics). Therefore, it can't be clasified as a dance. Unlike breaking, ballet, tango, flamenco, etc
caosvalencia 3 years ago
Just admit where you're wrong. It is called as a sport, maybe not a competitive or a team sport but nonetheless it is classed as a sport. I'm not stretching the meanings here and you do do capoeira to the music. I'm sick and tired of repeating myself.
Go on wikipedia, go on to capoeria(dot)com. Go on to any capoeira site and talk with any capoeirista.
By the way your sexually discriminating again.
You've also forgotten the original argument and I'm nt gona post 3 bits + remind you.
shifre 3 years ago
Sex classified as a sport? Dude don't know what are you talking about. I know what I'm talking about, I've done capoeira and break, both of them, you haven't, I know more about their differences than you. You CANT DODGE kicks to the beat, it's illogical. Take fencing for instance: can they they practice it with background music? Of course. Would it make sense to fence "to the beat"? No, it would impair their ability to attack, parry... same with capoeira. Therefore it's NOT a dance.
caosvalencia 3 years ago
Sorry to burst your bubble but
1) Yes it is,
2) Dude is either surfer talk for 'male' or it means something offensive. I know my English vocab thank you, you should go learn it before giving me lessons
3) Capoeira isn't a FIGHT!!!! You obviously haven't done Capoeria well have you? You don't understand the ideology.
Actually I have done both and I know about their differences well. Don't act like you know it all. So stop being an idiot, go back and read the original point and shut up.
shifre 3 years ago
As I said English is not my native language, so don't misinterpret my words, "dude" (btw in American English "dude" means male, as it comes from surfer jargon).
I have done capoeira and quite some more breaking, and also pasodoble, flamenco and contemporary dance. You can't counter my points, which are crystal clear for anyone who knows anything about dance. You do not, and like capoeira so much that you somehow take it as a personal attack. I'm sorry for you, but you are NOT DANCING.
caosvalencia 3 years ago
these organisations teach how to use Capoeira for show, not for MA or dance.
I'd like to add that when the beat goes slow capoeiristas must be slower. That's the difference between Angola, Regional and contemporary capoeira. Contemps usually start with a fast beat, fast gingas, fast kicks, cartwheels and while the capoeristas are in the roda slow the beat down and the capoeiristas follow. You get yelled at if you ignore the beat.
shifre 3 years ago
And don't tell me I can't dodge a kick to the beat because I can and many others can as well.
I'd also like to remind you the question I was subtly putting forth (if not openly): Why do you want Capoeiristas and Breakers to argue about the origins of breakdancing?
PS if we used original terms we'd still be using wench and a couple of racist words and sexually discriminatory words that I can't type because I'll probably be banned from youtube.
shifre 3 years ago
Following the beat while at the sime time kicking your opponendt and dodging his kicks is impossible, simply put. You can do it if you have a choreography or made up a routine with your oppoinent, but then, you're not actually engaging in a simulated fight and dodging him, you're doing a routine. If an opponent kicks you in the mid of an upbeat and a downbeat, he'll connect his kick unless you dodge him OFFBEAT.
caosvalencia 3 years ago
Therefore it's not dancing since the focus is not on the MUSIC (unlike b.boying), but on the moves your opponent does. This reveals more clearly if you study solfege: try counting (in it's musical sense) the beat of a song capoeira is being played to and THEN, count the rhythm of the capoeirista. You'll see they don't match.
caosvalencia 3 years ago
please don't get snotty with me. Breakdance might be what the media coined but the breakers (or the b-boyers as you put it, which is offensive as it is sexually discriminative) call the art breakdancing as well.
shifre 3 years ago
The rythm is there as in aerobics or circus shows: it's just a background music. It doesn't correlate to the movements of the capoeiristas. In breakin' / b.girlin', you HAVE to dance to the music (another different thing is that some breakers nowadays care only about flashy moves and don't follow the beat), or otherwise, you're not dancing. So breakin' is a dance and capoeira is not. It doesn't make one better than the other, just different.
caosvalencia 3 years ago
Firstly, it's rHythm. Secondly YOU DO HAVE TO DO IT TO THE MUSIC IN CAPOEIRA AS WELL. They don't teach beginners that but you ginga according to the beat. That's why you clap. That's why you have the drums!
LASTLY I really don't care at this point. If you read my original post it's that breakers and capoeiristas SHOULD WORK TOGETHER!!!
And your comment is still sexist. You call it b-girlin. Please just refer to it as breaking WITHOUT the apostrohphe (which is what the media put in).
shifre 3 years ago
At the start of a roda it's possible for two capoeristas to follow the beat, but it's impossible later on as the pace increases (you can't kick, dodge, do acrobacies AND do it to the rhythm, that way you'll be unable to dodge your opponent).
Lastly I don't think what they should work together on. Breakers should dance, which is what breakin' is about. Capoeiristas should do their stuff, which is not a dance. No animosity between the two, but it's not a dance, sorry.
caosvalencia 3 years ago
It is a dance. That's why you have grades in capoeirs to focus on all of the above. As you go up a grade they want you to feel the music more and again it depends on the club you go to and again just look at the ginga. I feel like a parrot talking to you, just read my previous posts.
As for breakers and capoeiristas not being friends? That's just silly, c'mon. Breakers aren't
shifre 3 years ago
considered dancers, just criminals who do gymnastics and capoeiristas aren't considered any of the groups that they belong. If out Capoeira brothers and sisters defended our Breaker brothers and sisters wouldn't it make life that much easier for both sports? Well???
I mean c'mon, so many capoeristas have become breakers and vice versa. So I ask you again, why shouldn't they be friends? My best mate and I met because he was a breaker and I'm a capoeirista
shifre 3 years ago
What are you talking about? Breaking is an urban dance style, just ask any sociologist or dance teacher. Of course one breaker and one capoeirista can be friends, it's got nothing to do with that. I'm a b.boy and I'm friends with judo fighters, aerobic teachers and skateboarders, but neither of those are DANCE STYLES.
I'm not saying no one should fight, but capoeira isn't a dance, as it isn't aerobics. I trained capoeira for half a year and have breaked for some years now, I know what I'm talkin
caosvalencia 3 years ago
and we stuck up for each other's sports when people sneered at us. No animosity? I think not. You obviously are prejudiced.
So give me, yourself and everyone else here a break. The point was (and still was) that Capoeiristas and Breakers shouldn't FIGHT. If you want to destroy the peace then don't mind if I get angry.
shifre 3 years ago
Also, breaking is not a sport, it's a dance form (one in which you do exercise, but not a sport like football, basketball, etc).
caosvalencia 3 years ago
wow you guys are straight trivial on this breakdancing stuff. bboying is not heavily influenced by capoeira whatsoever. it draws itself from many foreign dances and techniques. capoeira is not breakdancing, breakdancing is not capoeira. capoeira is martial, breakdancing is not.
Maodifi 3 years ago
se for pra colocar capoeira americano, sem ginga, sem malicia e sem jogo ligeiro, acho que n da em...
batatadf 3 years ago
bboy winssssssssssss
holidaykorn 3 years ago
i love them both,... capoiera for fight,.. break dance for dance,.... unfortunately this is dance ,.. so break dance,. wins,...
HmonGLaoster1904 4 years ago
capoeira rulez
pro1rider 4 years ago
This is house music they are dancing too. These two dance styles can be used with almost any kind of music. Enjoy!! Very good battle. I think Breaking took it at the end. One!!
zig8100 4 years ago
very N1CE!!
Graf2007 4 years ago
Man oh man how i love to see my two favorite things workin with eachother Capoeira and Breakin big ups
and check out my stuff under: PFG on youtube
One <3
Wesos182 4 years ago
I think the Capoeiristas were not the best, but still better than the breakers, until the last one.
Toneai2007 4 years ago
this only shows that capoeira is a fight not a dance.
Sobekkha 4 years ago
Yeah this is totally unfair... poor capoeiristas :( I've definitely seen better acrobatics... if only they would do more combos and variations in their flips they might've shown them up.
Guitarman27 4 years ago
coooooooooooooooooool!!!!
pipneinz 4 years ago
I think events like this are good for both capoeira and b-dancing. Obviously this kind of confontation favors b-dancing since capoeira is designed for 1vs1 but it is still cool and its all about fun anyway.
turusan02 4 years ago
hmmm...how about inviting them on a roda?? :D
i mean, this is not even a battle, why would a capoerista doing a b-dance??capoeira is capoeira n b-dance is b-dance....
centaurianz 4 years ago
who cares who's the best? Yes, I've seen better capoeira (in and out of Brazil) and yes, I've seen better breakin'. It doesn't really matter though, because this is just a nice show. No more, no less, who cares who 'won'. It's a nice video showcasing some nice moves from both disciplines!!!
Spietwan 4 years ago 3
thanks! I'm glad you enjoyed it.
nickkasimatis 4 years ago
just so you all know Breakdancing is a spin off well capoeira, jsut watch the feet, spinns and the stalls. then the origins of break dancing. Spanish Harlem and Marlem
blaqstar45 4 years ago
no, break doesn't come from capoeira, check your facts, the original Nigga Twins didn't even know what the hell was capoeira.
plus capoeira doesn't follow the beat, toprocking in breaking is about following the beat (acrobacies and powermoves came later).
caosvalencia 4 years ago
At most time i don't reply. But I've be into Coperia foir seven years, The Man I'm learnig from was born in Blazze, he grew up in Halem. Be sides most hip hop beats come from african beast. So You Check you Facts!
blaqstar45 4 years ago
Haha... man what the hell are you talking about? Hip-hop beats come from old jazz and funk records (james brown, miles davis etc), and also from European synthpop/electro (Bambata sampling Kraftwerk for ex.). I'm talking about the original old school here. I did capoeira for a time, now I'm a b.boy. Check out the documentary about the history of b.boying: The Freshest Kids and you'll see old school b.boys making it clear that b.boying doesn't come from capoeira.
caosvalencia 4 years ago
Now, you're a joke. Check yoself and yo facts.
gibrones 4 years ago
I like how I give historic facts and you just reply with a line. Shows who got his facts checked. :)
caosvalencia 4 years ago
Capoeira existed in the city were breakdancing was created before it was created and they share similar moves. I mean, it isn't exactly conclusive, but you can understand why people think there's an influence.
Resmungo 4 years ago
I can understand that people think there is an influence. I'm just saying that, based on what the original b.boys have said in documentaries and interviews, it didn't really have any effect on it's (breakin's) formation. CHeck out "The Freshest kids" documentary, they talk about the subject with people who were there back in the days.
caosvalencia 4 years ago
The capoeristas who brought capoeira to america started in New York around the same time people started copying James Brown because of the footwork he did in that one performance, whatever its called. They have similarities, the bboy circle, the roda. The capoeria name and the bboy name.I'm an ex bboy turned capoerista. Not every old school bboy was influenced by capoeira, but there are some.Bboying like capoeira is an art form the incorporates the environment around it.That's how you get style.
raiseoffmekidz 4 years ago
Nice, I'm an excapoeirista turned b.boy. The roda and the circle are just the logical gathering of people that are watching an event. A circle is the most logical formation to do so, because that's the way most people can watch it (as opposed to watch it forming a square, it would be silly). So I don't think they're related.
Maybe some got influenced I just said b.boying doesn't come from capoeira nor is it's main influence.
caosvalencia 4 years ago
The roda isnt just the logical gathering of people so they can watch..roda exists for 2 reasons.. 1st: it doesnt let anybody uncalled to step inside.its like when we were kids.. we played with friends in circle so no one else comes, and intruders werent welcomed.. 2nd: roda gives energy to capoeiristas playing inside, and all participants of roda are singing, so if they sing good you will play better..but you wont be able to do so if they arent gathered in circle because you wont hear them
Jelchic 3 years ago
Roda is a logical gathering because it's in a circle form. A circle is a geometrical form where every point of its margins is at the same distance of the center. Therefore, everyone can watch what's going on inside. I understand what you're saying, all I'm saying is that the circle gathering isnt EXCLUSIVE to capoeira (a lot of other dances or spectacles take place in that form too), so it can't be held as an example of why capoeira "influenced" b.boying...
caosvalencia 3 years ago
But surely the coincidental similarities cannot be coincidence... Afro Brazilian to Afro Brazilian American.. to American... The circle, the music, the moves... Break surely evolved from Capoeira.
BarraVentoCDOUK 3 years ago
No, in fact the first breakers were mostly hispanic (puerto rican), not african american. The circle is just, as I said, the logical gathering of people watching an spectacle (when circles form to watch street theater, would you say it's because capoeira's influence?), break music has NOTHING to do with capoeira music. The moves don't come from Capoeira either. People were doing handstands and flips before break or capoeira, man.
caosvalencia 3 years ago
Cheers for tha CaosValencia, fair enough, man .. where is there more information on this? Ps. Valencia is a beautiful place, you causing chaos there?! You are damned lucky to live there! Peace.
BarraVentoCDOUK 3 years ago
You can check out the b.boy documentary "The Freshest Kids", some original b.boys talk about that topic in there, and there is footage from b.boys from back in the day. You can find it in Emule or other similar programs.
caosvalencia 3 years ago
Also, in youtube, search for "detours parallels". It's a clip from a dance video featuring some b.boys named Detours. The idea in that clip is to show that there is something common between many human artistic expressions or disciplines of old and many from now (primarily b.boying). From kung-fu to tap dance, from africal tribal dance to yoga. Yes Valencia is beautiful, thanks! It's already chaotic, however haha ;) Peace man.
caosvalencia 3 years ago
Not right buddie! I been breakin since 1994 and one of the first bboys to break where African Americans in the boogie down bronx.. Yes there was a lot of Puerto ricans and Dominicans but before them in Africa there was a bboy scene... Look at some of my videos on the history...
bboyflashback 3 years ago
I know these people, the capoeiristas. I train with them. Bodinho and Suado.
discosouldub 4 years ago
just wow
deads 4 years ago
Ok Capoeira vs Breakdance is not fair... Fighting V Dancing... u cant judge. Yea breakers waste them at breaking but fighting doubt it!
sprinter84 4 years ago
That was the best and most sportsmen like Capoeira vs. Breakdance battle I ever saw! I want to be in that... Hey, mabey I'll start up a battle over here and post it, yeah?!
malandr0bem 4 years ago
lol... the capoeira chick is cool and cute haha... got her contacts? lol. i wont mind practicing capoeira with her
bloodymadcow 4 years ago
fuckin awesome
a3xhannibal 4 years ago
O idiota que inventou tal "battle"...nao fez nada mais que ridicularizar a capoeira...
que merda é essa...
deprimente ver capoeiristas brasileiros...
deturpando a arte...
scarecrowbarr 4 years ago
Awe if the capoeiristas thrown some air flares like the guy at the end then they might of done better. Get Lateef Crowder in there then he would of torn them up.
shadowmuniplitive 4 years ago
its like father meet son out their
kibbleofdoom 4 years ago
good point.
nickkasimatis 4 years ago
Capoeira got burned,thiers never been anything like break-dancing puff!
puff183 4 years ago
Just like in back of the day's outstanding.
puff183 4 years ago
i thought it was fun, the capoeiristas had some pretty floreios, much better than mine, I would have liked them to break into a game though.
jaybullen 4 years ago
Ou my God!! What a f**k is this... Capoeira is a Martial Art no Dance... :(
SozinhoABADA 4 years ago
I dont know about you guys but the great thing to me about Capoeira is that it can complement other stuff unlike other martial arts. True, first and foremost it is a martial art but I dont see the problem if they want to use what they have learnt in capoeira in somewhere outside the Hoda. Anyway it would have been nice if the capoeiristas played, I would love to see the breakers do the same without crashing their legs into one another.
dradorei 4 years ago
True. The contest was just for fun. The promoter was trying to expose Capoeira to a wider audience.
nickkasimatis 4 years ago
@SozinhoABADA You are wrong it is dance also used as fighting
jenny4413 1 year ago
@SozinhoABADA actually your wrong. Capoeira isn't just Martial Arts. Its Martial Arts with a combination of Dance & Music. Not the stuff you see on UFC or in Kung FU type movies.
Malcolmthebeast 1 year ago
@SozinhoABADA HAHA! Actually Capoeira is also dance :)
Occhublu 7 months ago
Capoeira is better!!!
MAKCNM 4 years ago
wow cool... if there'd been a lil more room whole diff story.. lol
tocadorthe1 4 years ago
ho god capoeira out of brazil is so diferent in brazil we kick ass
this capoeiristas are so bad
let s see in salvador or rio de janeiro
edupeixe 4 years ago
I'd love see it. There are couple of guys in the video that we're visiting from Brazil but, as mentioned in another comment, the stage wasn't big enough for them to do very much.
nickkasimatis 4 years ago
They mustve been regional guys doin all their crazy flips ; ) cause the angoleros wouldve torn it up.
Axe
ourlucidream 4 years ago
aww angeleros always look a little slow and they lack that flash and flare... i think the public prefers regional
kibbleofdoom 4 years ago
chevere (y)
ambos
solitarykaz 4 years ago
that was sweet!! the breakers were wicked onli cause its wot they do!! i think if u throw lateef crowder in there it wudda been a different story tho!! but great vid none the less
dom447 5 years ago
NIce but capoeira is different form breakdancing!!
solidcore89 5 years ago
nice
JKT6 5 years ago
Capo and Break ,are the different souls !
really different,they just looks like same but NO
Cajua 5 years ago
It would also be better for the capoeiristas if there was more space, there's not enough room for some sequences. But the video is cool.
turusan02 5 years ago
Solo vs. solo is never in traditional capoeira's favor. Capoeira is built for a person interacting with a person. Break dance is style only of course it comes out looking better in this. The capoeiristas should have jumped in and dogded while the break dancers were still going if they wanted to show off- like jumping over the last guys spinning legs.
freelance81 5 years ago
you're right, the breakers do well because the format suites them better. The capoeiristas have gotten better in more recent battles.
nickkasimatis 5 years ago
it all depends on how many tricks you have. My old groupo Axe Capoeira has some damn good soloists... do a search for Axe Capoeira solos. You'll be impressed.
hybridmotion 4 years ago