the tragedy is, Dr Abdus Salam belonged to the Ahmediyya sect of Islam and in 1974, a democratic Pakistani government under Zulfikar Ali Bhutto passed a constitutional amendment (pressure to appease Islamist parties) that officially declared Ahmedi sect as non-Muslims and forbid them the right to call themselves Muslims.
Ahmedis (or Qadiyanis as they are called in derogatory terms by most Pakistanis) are treated like 3rd class citizens and regarded as enemies of Pakistan and Islam! PATHETIC!
@PakistaniAtheist It's sad isn't it? Abdus Salam did much more for Pakistan than your average Pakistani. Unfortunately this is how PAkistan treats it's heros.
Whats even more sad is the way Ahmadi Muslims are treated in Pakistan yet they are better than most Sunni Muslims (and non-muslims) in nearly every way (Education, morals, etc)
@e17jack exactly! when it comes to comparing the levels of religious aggression among all Muslim sects etc, Ahmedi Muslims are the MOST PACIFIST of all. They forbid any violence or jihad unless an actual 'Islamic state' is formed and authorises it (to Ahmedis, an Islamic state does not yet exist). Their actual motto is "Love for all. Hatred for none". And most Ahmedis are an educated, friendly, and largely secular people among South Asian muslims.
@uniteordie1 Christianity is a religion. Jesus Christ is alive person who resurrected from death and he is bigger than religion. You first sentence sounds awkward like "capitalism implies myself". Capitalism is very complicated phenomenon with many positive features and some negative ones, but anyway you are bigger than capitalism.
I respect Atheism, but religion just makes people turn on each other and hate one another. Can't we just not judge one another of their open religion, we have the choice to be morally right human beings.
@DYlaNpItyDaFOOL Atheism is not a religion. Atheism is no more a religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby. Or bald is a hair style. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in god or gods, nothing more.
'he's upset hearing clergymen give invocations at public events'...........well ain't that too bad stevie!
you'd think that a punkass like this would have more pressing concerns than that!
when stooges like him and sam harris and pete singer and dawkins get out of their element which is (SCIENCE) and start philosophizing and giving ethics lessons, etc. i could GAG!
these creeps are more arrogant than any other life form on the planet!
why don't they cure cancer or make ocean water drinkable!
@graysonTW If you have been taught social science at school you should know about Christianity, Jewish, and Muslim (and other religions) history and how they impact our world.
@redrooster241 Who says that there was necessarily "nothing" before the universe? Maybe existence has always been; it's just taking the form of the universe right now. Who says that existence has to have form at all? Hey, maybe nothing is something. Hell, there could be all sorts of things going on. I have no idea, but there's a lot more reason for me to believe in the Big Bang than in a God.
This man is a sad character himself.God doesn't want us to hurt,be in torment or burn in hell.He gives us a choice,and we chose were we go.. it's that simple.
@Rooroo05 He was specifically paraphrasing the old testament. If you listen closely that is what he is referring to. Also he deliberately states that he knows there are people like you who don't believe in that nonsense anymore. But if you read the traditional account of the Old Testament God, Weinberg does a great job of showing God's mentality.
@Rooroo05 Burn in hell forever or do exactly what i say. Yeh that is such an open choice. Its like people at gun point, i dont know why they dont just disagree and walk away, they have the free and open choice! You're such a dumbass.
I don't like god either. As an atheist though, I sincerely HOPE there is a god and afterlife. I should like to tell god to His face what a fucking retarded prick He is! Not to mention His disciples!
Gods are not immortal, as the religious believe, but have died thousands of times in the past and the current popular god of judeo- Christianity is no exception. One day we will be free of this superstitious and harmful nonsense! Thank you Dr. Weinberg!
It's true God has become very corrosive into religion, people take it way to seriously. Yeesh, I don't deny God, but it seems like science makes more sense sometimes.
The internal inconsistency, violence, and unlikely supernatural claims of any holy text are in no way related to: 1) The existence or non-existence of god(s). 2) The social utility of religion.
Look at this goofy-goofy nut job. Smarmy? What about physicists themselves? I have never seen such a smarmy group as physicists. And this guy sounds sick in the head to me. You have to be an idiot to base your life on the words of someone just because they memorized a mass of equations out of books. This guy is a string theorist and a renowned asshole.
@joehenger hmm, he makes a well reasoned arguement, and you call him a nut job. Very wise. Maybe instead of trying to discredit someone else you should actually make a few points in response?
Seems to me his beef is with religion, or it's anthropomorphic representation of God. I don't really see where the pure concept of 'God' comes into his argument..
@DoctorCalabria Well his entire discussion was concerning the three big monotheistic religions..which are indeed anthropomorphic - so i'm not sure what you are talking about.
@69chalupas So the only prerequisite u need for something to truely exist is if you have faith in it? What kind of logic is that?
Saying that unicorns don't exist because of your lack of faith in them does NOT prove anything. I don't have faith that there is a God so does this mean God does not exist?
No one has ever seen God or a unicorn. There are stories of both of them in books, but u cannot prove either of them DO exist
I do not entirely rule out the possibility but its HIGHLY unlikey
God died in 1859, when The Origin of Spieces was published. The final nail in the coffin was 1883 Thus Spake Zarathustra. Nietzsche showed us how it could all be made up, but also how we already know that dogmatic, absolute morality is wrong. Richard Dawkins currently just tells it how it is now, up to you whether you listen to him or not.
@positiveprojtheory1 gee, i thought it was darwins THEORY of evolution. fuck them that attatch themselves to theories of any kind, be they religious or scientific. think for yourselves, based on your own damned experiences in life, not based on how impressed you are with someone who backs up what you are thinking allready
@cattlexing ok then, if you refuse to use theories then you can stop using your computer because scientific theories were used to create it. Also, you can kill yourself, because your reasons for giving meaning to your life are a theory. Meaning is something that is speculated by us because it only relates to the individual making the speculation. It is all relative in those terms, so go commit suicide.
@positiveprojtheory1 "Not" would be the more intelligent choice. Alister McGrath's The Dawkin's Delusion explained why. How atheists and tyrants have tried to co-opt evolution to bolster their worldviews were abuses of an excellent theory that Darwin would have grieved.
The growing proliferation of hipster atheists makes it hard for considered atheists to get respect - they hit their bong and its like "dude, there is no God". Then they hit it again and its like "dude. I am God". Next week it'll be whatever is fashionable. Determined atheists are no better than the determined creationist - neither can prove their point of view and its absurd to try - yet the battle rages on.
@bowiemott Nonsense, this is only in relation to the degree, that atheism has far more actual disciplines for a readied response than a creationist. The degree to which you lump atheists in as a group is nauseating, as every individual has their own tenacity when it comes to the degree of their nonbelief. Stop being an apologist.
@viletree apologist for what ? Sorry "dude", hispter atheism isn't aheism - its just a trend. Also no atheist can disprove the existence of a diety as no desit can prove the existence of a deity.
@bowiemott Yes, there are definately hipster atheists but that are of no less value than anyone else. They have come to the same reasonable conclusion. However, atheists have thoroughly proved their point. The atheist position is that there is no reason to believe in God(s) and therefore we shouldn't. Sounds to me like your a hipster who doesn't understand the atheist position, and you are no help to either cause.
If you live for nothing, you die for nothing. And don't give me that "life is what you make of it" crap. Tell that to the 6 year old with terminal cancer. She didn't get to make a life for herself. Doctors, nurses, the terminally ill, and their families need the hope that there is something greater than the suffering they have to witness day in and day out.
@ClamCrunchy You make an interesting point. There were a couple of atheists who dealt with these issues of meaning, sorrow, beauty and death. You may have heard of them. One was Sigmund Freud and the other, CS Lewis. The latter died defending Christianity and the former of doctor assisted suicide. Please view the video~The Question of God: C.S. Lewis and Sigmund Freud.
If this would be your purpose, then live for today and today only. Drown yourself in the finest wine to soothe the emptiness of your soul and seek out the most pleasurable of company to satisfy the space that yearns for guidance. And do so quickly, for your life is nothing more than that of an insect. Easily cut down by the powers of life that rule you. Tyrants in their very nature, indiscriminately exhalt themselves above their lowly subjects.
Depressing, isn't it? Everyone, indeed everyTHING, exists for the sole purpose of decay. Civilizations rise and fall, kings are born and die, their legacies eventually lost as time brings forth new fruits. This is the prophetic belief of a man who is his own god.
Or do we live for a higher purpose? To take our place among the scrolls of history that sadly, too, must decay with time? What a pitiful waste of an existence. Even the most brilliantly constructed marvel bows to the hands of time. The human body no exception
To what purpose is man destined if he is entwined only to this life? The life of a firecracker? Carefully constructed and beautifully designed, only to be appreciated for a moment before fading from existence?
Oh it is not. Go read the Blake-Feyerabend Hypothesis. Pop science and religion are both calling dibs on whacked out authority to make money off people. How do we know there isn’t something stranger than both God and Evolution going on in the Universe?
Post-Atheism is about abolishing your limitations and inhibitions.
Based on Wired Magazines observation that atheists tend to be quarrelsome, socially challenged men, to say nothing of the unpleasant personalities of leading public atheists such as Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Michel Onfray, one could reasonably hypothesize that there is likely to be a strong correlation between Aspergers and atheism.Aspergers Syndrome (AS) is a neurobiological disorder on the autism spectrum (some even claim it is merely High Functioning Autism)
@moonlightbateman They wouldnt seem that quarrelsome if religous people would accept that its okay to critizise faith. Every single time I've listened to Hitchens, Dawkins and so on debating they come of as polite, wellspoken and respectful. But sure, you've formulated a hypothesis. Is there a statistically significant correlation between Aspergers and atheism? All that remains is to do the science bit (unless its already been done, I might check later but not now).
@thecaringatheist Read the article- essentially, atheism is the belief in...nothing. That belief is so boring that you have to do something to stay conscious, so you criticize...end result- atheists are boring and negative.
@moonlightbateman Boring? Interesting enough that you watched the video.... Once again, for the supernatural believers like this guy: Atheism is not a belief in "nothing", it is a belief that you can understand things from learning, instead of believing in magic.
@leighgridley Atheism is linked to Aspergers Syndrome, a social disorder characterized by an inability to understand complex ideas such as God and a tendancy toward rude, anti-social behavior. Atheists tend to have higher rates of isolation, depression and suicide.
@moonlightbateman This is how your elusion works; you believe in god 'cos you're scared of dying and desperate for any way out of it, so you pretend (faith is just pretense, a form of pseudo-knowledge) this old myth is really true. This faith (wishful thinking) in an invisible man keeps you from fear of oblivion, so it means everything to you, so you assume anyone without this make-believe approach must have a meaningless life. You are trapped in a myth, bound by dogma that distorts everything.
@alien8ted Not at all, I looked into atheism and found that it is impossible. It is the belief in...nothing. Something coming from nothing is irrational, illogical and impossible. Atheism is a lie. Atheism is a delusional misrepresentation usually based on a hatred of faith and people of faith.
@moonlightbateman It is your definition of atheism that is a lie. You invent convenient lies to support your belief in miracles. You believe your misrepresentation of the world, which you call faith. You are the one who is deluded.
@alien8ted Not at all, I looked into atheism and found that it is impossible. It is the belief in...nothing. Something coming from nothing is irrational, illogical and impossible. Atheism is a lie. Atheism is a delusional misrepresentation usually based on a hatred of faith and people of faith.
i think religion was made because people were scared of the thought of dying, even though it happens all the time and to everyone at some point. with religion, people are comforted by the fact that they believe they wont really die, but just go into the after life, or heaven. i think this is wrong, but thats just the way i choose to think.
I might add these punishments end up being meaningless, what the point of punishing someone for eternity. Even if they murdered a 1000 people your going to punish them forever. To me it just makes the crime to the point it doesn't even matter.
I am tired of you fucking atheists making the world a shitty place. You fucking atheists better keep your bullshit on the internet because if you try and speak your lies in person, some of us believers are going to fuck you up real good. Stay online where you are safe, pussies. I hope you all fucking suffer. This message is for gays too.
All I can say is that in the same way you hope to find an Atheist to hurt, I hope a person of an alternative faith finds you to be just as much an infidel.
@RollingStud So much for love thy neighbor eh? You believers always threatening people of different faiths. Don't you ever get tired of that? And by what you said you violated one of the 10 commandments which by your faith is a sin. Haha hypocrisy ftw. But you will just go to church and everything will be magically fixed huh? Yeah right. Its ignorant people like you that make the world a crappy place to live in. And if you didn't exist the world would be a must better and safer place.
Makes sense. I think God is corrosive to the human race. Never has evil been performed more gleefully and full of heart than in the name of religion! "God wills it!"...we cry. Humans know nothing of God they just make the crap up as they go along and use "incorrect" religons as an excuse for their sick behavior. If the world would only worship each other instead of God, the human race would stand a chance. Having religion as our guiding light is dooming us to extinction.
ok the day an athiest can make a human body, the heart, the brain, the lungs, the blood, the bones, and ect. somenthing as complicated as the human body than i might just buy in the whole there is no god thing. but until that day happens. GOD First.
@ecuadormexico You don't have to wait that long, God died precisely on the 24th of November 1859 when Darwin first published 'On the origin of the Species'.
I don;t beleive in God and beleive 100% in evolution but you can stil beleive in god and evolution and also not beleive in god and not beleive in evolution they are seperate and do not have to be clumped together, the best 1 though is when creationsists try to put evolution and the creation of the universe in the same sentence
"You don't have to wait that long, God died precisely on the 24th of November 1859 when Darwin first published 'On the origin of the Species'."
Actually, I just read origin, the man states at the end of the book that all life, even though it evolved, came from a creator. I have no problem with atheism, but do it right.
If they did that then you would need to find out what god it is as there are millions of gods been made up in the world, Mythology is an interesting subject I think the magical world of elves and mystics is more accurate than the bible to be fare at least you know what your looking for when searching for elves
@gamesaddict That's like the man who claims the ability to clone cows is sufficient proof we don't need God. Its a non-sequitor in reality. All it shows is that intelligence was needed in the first place..aside from matter, etc.
Seeing things in order to believe them is an equally impoverished view of the way reality works. The scientist believes in numbers; the average human being believes in values. Neither are available to the senses and yet both are fundamental to science and life.
@gamesaddict God does more than that! God is the life and the resurrection. He resurected Jesus Christ and Lazarus from the dead. His disciples along the history made the same thing.
@x6801 fair enough, your entitled to your opinion, and i think i was probably overly harsh in my first comment, but hopefully you too can understand how athiests can find religion to be just as crazy as you find athiesim.
@gamesaddict One more thing. Christ is a true person in history, so the bible and particularly the new testament is not a novel. Here in greece we have had people (now orthodox saints) who performed wonders in the name of Christ. I am not talking about Yuri geller and David Copperfield. Their entire life is to believers a proof for the existence of Jesus Christ.
@avaxtakaka First things first. Until 1054 the christian world was united. At 1054 a schism,that is a separation between the western and eatstern "church" was caused due to the western's false doctrines. The eastern aka orthodox christianity claims to be the unchanged doctrine directly inherited from christ's disciples. Google it.
@avaxtakaka As for miracles, orthodox christianity without them is just an empty idea. Miracles happened in the past like moses did, but continue to happen even today. Orthodox christianity has many saints, wonder makers even the rescent years. This make us believe that we orthodox have the true christian doctrine. For believers living a life without sins according to christ is the single most important thing. It will allow us to go to heaven.
@avaxtakaka Sin plays a dominant role in western christianity, eg roman catholicism. Catholics insist on saying that God let his own son Jesus to be crussified as a means of attonement, because people did not obey His rules. They present a God who punishes people for their sins. Sin plays of course a role in eastern christianity. But easterns say that the crussifiction of Christ and his resurrection allow us to become God oursleves if we live according to his Gospel. To be continued...
@avaxtakaka The orthodox church has never prosecuted Gallileo or confronted with science as the westerns have. Orthodox insist on free will and say that man is glorified when the holly spirit lives inside the man. This spirituality is different from nirvana. In the induistic and related religions in nirvana you don't fight to eliminate the bad aspects of your life bat try to cover it up. On the other hand orthodox try to eliminate them through the "ascesis". It is a "war" to the our bad side...
@avaxtakaka which eventually lead us to the "theosis". It is very difficult to explain orthodoxy to a person. Orthodox life is not an intellectual and vague construction. It is a radical and new way of living that is difficult to appreciate unless to get along with it
@avaxtakaka When I say we become Gods I mean this happens because of our union with God, because we embrace God. The holly spirit is then with us. In greek when a person achieves this kind of spirituality we say that he (she) has reached "theosis". This is the state that all saints have reached. And then they can even perform wonders to glorify God. Our goal is to try to reach this state which is a kind of heaven here in earth. This is the promise of Jesus that he will always be with us....
@avaxtakaka After the so called enlightment age in France a radical turn has occured in human thought and civilization. Man needed to free himself from the Church, and I mean western catholic church which is a totally different thing from eastern orthodox church. Most scientific breakthroughs were accelerated from this turn. It was the time that the human mind was "glorified". Allthough the significance of these achievments is unquestionable there were major collateral damage...
@avaxtakaka , i.e man thought he had unlimited power and this resulted to the gradual pollution of the environment and the vast social inequalities between the "civilized" and the uncivilized in Africa and elsewhere. Are we glad for these achievements? They resulted because of our tension to glorify our egos and our detachment form the true christian life. I see you have a bad on opinion about christianity. it is because you haven't known orthodox christianity which is different from catholic...
@avaxtakaka We don't worship the saints. We only worship God. Saints on the other hand are some sort of guide to us. They stand as an example of a true christian should behave IF we want to reach "theosis" ourselves. As for heaven (as for all the other things I have talked about) it is in the end a matter of faith. But we claim that there is a lot of "evidence". Miracles and wonders that happen even in our days are a kind of "proof"
@avaxtakaka One more thing. Heaven is of course the essence of (eastern) christianity. But the present life is also important. Christ said in the bible that blessed are the peacemakers and those who are striving for justice. So a true christian tries to make the world better. Doesn't this affect us today? So the question that arises today is why there is so much injustice. the unswer is that we are far from God and do not make his will that will allow us to leave peacefully.
@gamesaddict Exactly, the only things in this universe we know and we can observe to creat a human being are two humans able of reproduction. Man and a woman. No God involved, it's just us f----ing. Just like the rest of the nature, we mutiply, thus evolve over time.
@gamesaddict The statement is incorrect. You are able to have sex. Hopefully. But creating life is not within your power. Doctors may prescribe meds and perform surgeries, but they themselves are not able to heal anything. Life and healing come from Elsewhere. But lets suppose you were able to create or heal by fiat. All that would prove was that intelligence was required in the first place.
@Chiangmai007 the act of sex itself is the first step in creating life, i am talking about realism here, not just magically making things.
If you look at how certain animals have evolved over time such as the giraffe you'll see that thier nervous system is flawed, not how an engineer would design it but how it would evolve.
Also meds can heal you, there is scientific proof for that so not sure what you mean by that or mabye i misunderstood.
Tbh i don't want to argue, we just have different views
I have no problem with atheist, just like I have no problem with ants, and rocks, and other objects of unimportance. However I do have a problem with atheist who condemn religion. Sure people (anglo saxons) have done evil things in the name of God, but evil things have been done in the name of any idea.
Sponsor a child, then you can talk you fucking hypocritical cowards.
No athiest is saying they can create them - Your objective mind is clouding your logic here, First before you beleive something it you need to have a reason to beleive it - In this case God - so prove god exists. This means bring evidence not say its obvbious and your just clouded you can't ignore this fact but then again you have till now
"Where did everything come from?" is a typical argument for anyone who is 10 years old or anyone from Mexico or Ecuador. For love of god, pick up a book on biology or physics and learn something for a change.
@robertoppenheimer Hi! You use the phrase "For love of god". From your comment I take you are no believer. That phrase shows how deeply religion poisoned our use of language.
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Ok seriously ppl I'm 12 and it's not like the universe and stars created us i mean u athiests think oh ur all molecules and stuff well newsflash just cause u think something u don't know doesn't mean ur right I am not offending athiests I'm just saying I'm a proud Christian in middle school it's sad I gotta tell u ppl who r like 50
If you'd been born in India you'd believe in the hindu creation myth, if you'd been born in Egypt you'd believe in their creation myth. When scientists talk about the universe & life they use science & evidence & reason. When Christians talk about the universe they say " I believe God created everything because that's what Christians believe, or I "know" God created the world, because I have "faith" that he did. It is the religous not atheists who make claims without evidence I'm afraid.
I agree that thinking is not knowing-but shouldn't you then be agnostic? Religious people pretend to know what they cannot possibly know. You do not know that the miracles of the NT are true.
Giggletronics - if you only would open your eyes to real evidence instead of pretending that there is none. "shred of evidence"? we are just too close to it all to see any of it right? (apparently Steven has never had to live out in the wild where a person can connect with nature). Try living outside society's construct & anyone would think & feel differently about life. Stevens statements come from being comfortable. (There is EVIDENCE & PROOF of Gods Existence!).
I like the way he says he doesn't like God because what I think is he believes in God but doesn't like him see the way he's talking is so self-centered it doesn't explain why God doesn't exist and the Universe COULDN'T have come from NOTHING OK its IMPOSSIBLE. Look around you I mean science can't explain love, emotions and even a person's memory so STFU science and SUCK MY DICK!!!!!
He does not think there is a god. At all. As I do not. This is a typical theist's way to rationalizing someone else not believing.
Explanation of love and emotions - evolutionary mechanisms to elicit a reaction that promotes survival. Animals who feel an emotional connection to their young will take better care of them, and the genes will more likely be passed on. How have you never thought of this? You just say "well, thats complicated...it's GOD".
Has anyone here ever considered that to live with God, is to live with hope, love and joy? There is no pain in the rest of God and it is a priviledge to know Him through Jesus Christ. God has helped me through the worst times of my life with His strength. I hope for this same comfort for everyone in the world.
@kenglish761 I live with hope, love, and joy, but I am an atheist. I don't need an invisible friend to help me through tough times, I help myself and as a result, become a stronger person. Religion is for the weak.
Emanuel...I was talking to a Muslim today who understand's God's love because of His commandments. The golden rule of doing to others as you would have them do unto you, came from God. However, the only way for us to have this 'emotion' be true in our hearts is through the Holy Spirit. Can you honestly say, that you love your neighbor as you would yourself? This is actually an impossible feat without God.
The golden rule did not come from God, it came from Man, who wrote the bible. Morality is possible without believing in an invisible dictator that spent the first half of the bible conducting mass executions. You honestly think that without believing in god, we would not be able to say "hey, let's not kill each other because it's not nice". You think that the only thing holding you back from going on a murderous rampage is that you believe in god?
Well...C.S. Lewis was an Oxford Professor. Without God, no one can explain where the moral law came from. How did we get the law? It can't be proven to have been derived from evolution, or the human race would be improving. Jesus said to also, turn the other cheek and love your enemies. He said to love others as you would yourself. He commanded us to not judge one another. How can this man have been crazy, or a liar, or not the Son of God. He was the Son of God.
Oxford Professor? I know one, Richard Dawkins. Look him up, it will do you good. You say without god, you can't explain where morality came from. It actually can be proven on the basis of evolution. We evolved to be kind to each other because we used to live in small tribes. People had a better chance of survival when they worked together. And evolution is not necessarily about "improving", it is about SURVIVAL. Speaking about where things came from, who or what made god if he exists?
Emanuel. I understand that you think people are improving, but I think this is a hard belief to support because of the constant bad news....such as nuclear war. Don't you think it's hard to believe in evolution because our morals have not evolved? God calls himself the great 'I AM' who has always been in existence. He created us out of love and called the world 'good'. I believe that the love everyone experiences is from God. But, to come 'alive' you must believe in His Son.
You are clearly delusional. You are wrong to say our morals have not evolved. Women have rights and slavery is no more. The morality the religion proposes has not evolved at all since its conception. Religious people follow their books, and those books never change. It is not hard to believe in evolution because there is actually physical evidence to support it. If think there is a god that created us in his image, then consider this. Without dental care we would die because of our teeth.
Emanuel - try living in a country where there is NO running water & government "oppression" where people are bought & sold like dogs. People are raped & killed for NO reason & feel the raw evil from those governments that take from citizens that want to just live. (Yes people should move from there but they can't or won't) Those people would NOT agree with your statements! - I've seen it all & it's really bad when these crimes are done by their governments. Who do they call up on?
Actually I couldn't disagree more. Those people would probably agree with me. If they are in a state of terrible suffering, how can they believe that there is a god that loves them? Why would a god put them through all the pain and misery? There is no justification for allowing people to be raped, tortured, and killed. No justification at all.
Proof, please? You're just saying things. I can make plenty of statements and never back them up. What are talking about? Do you really think that if the 10 commandments were never written that people would run around killing and stealing? Hey, why don't the 10 commandments mention rape or slavery? Wouldn't that have been helpful? Give me a break, you useless sheep.
Btw the bible actually condones slavery. Exodus 21:20-21. Look it up. How's that for biblical morality?
It occurs to me that you will not look up the passage because you don't want to read things like that so here it is:
[20] ...and if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. [21] Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property.
That is the OLD Testament - an EYE for an EYE (wiped out by Jesus Christ & changed all that).
Anyone that asks for "PROOF of God's" existence sounds like you could just point to something & say see I told you... WOULD anyone believe then? The human race can NOT even explain how PYRAMIDS were build how can we EXPLAIN "GOD"? How could we be so arrogant?
@BramaCity - "Anyone that asks for "PROOF of God's" existence sounds like you could just point to something & say see I told you... WOULD anyone believe then?"
No, they wouldn't believe in that case, they'd KNOW it exists. To believe is to have faith. All faith by definition is blind. I don't have faith that the earth is a globe, I know it. Knowledge and faith are two completely different things.
@BramaCity Er... actually we 'can' explain the pyramids, and they have the added nicety of actually being 'seen' so they can be explained. So, "eye for an eye" was wiped out by Jesus? "Verily I say unto you, anyone who lives by the sword must die by the sword." And let's say he 'did' remove this: Was the original standard of Yahve imperfect? Why change a perfect god's perfect law? Do you not understand that when Jesus was saying, "You have heard it said" that HIS quotes were ALSO from the OT?
You have helped yourself through hard times by building an imaginary character up in your mind. It's a typical and natural human coping mechanism. You probably feel like you don't need proof for your beliefs and that's sad. You absolutely do, otherwise all you stand for is simply wishful thinking. I'm not saying it doesn't help you to have this imaginary friend, but it's still not true. Kids talk to imaginary friends, and it helps them out as well.
Steven can not even explain how the PYRAMIDS were built. HOW can he explain & capture "GOD" in his mind? Reading only the Holy Bible without experiencing is a shame. There is proof that "GOD" does EXIST! Life can NOT be summed up by reading a bunch of books & calculating evidence from other books!! (This steven looks as if he was born in a class room & never left to go outside).
God does not exist, but the pyramids do. We admit that there is no definite explanation for how they were built, only theories. We don't need to prove the pyramids exist, but you need to prove that god does. There is no proof that he exists, only arguments.
Are we the "ANT FARM"? - We are just busy going about our day but to try & figure out string theory & NEW dimentions without real tools to figure it out & see beyond our know limits... We are just the ant farm & we just don't know YET is that right?
I don't really follow you. You cannot simplify our universe down to an ant farm. The fact is, we live in a universe that we do not fully understand, and that itself is quite amazing.
You are right! - What I'm really saying is that there are things we just don't know yet... We are just now making discoveries on our own planet about deep sea & in rain forests etc... (I was really asking a question BUT making a statement - WE DON't KNOW everything yet). So why take a position of "NO GOD" ? WE DON't KNOW yet? Some do & some don't... Thanks;)
Why take the position that there is no God? Well, why take the position that there are no flying space unicorns in another galaxy? We don't know yet right? God is just one thing that COULD exist out of an infinite
the tragedy is, Dr Abdus Salam belonged to the Ahmediyya sect of Islam and in 1974, a democratic Pakistani government under Zulfikar Ali Bhutto passed a constitutional amendment (pressure to appease Islamist parties) that officially declared Ahmedi sect as non-Muslims and forbid them the right to call themselves Muslims.
Ahmedis (or Qadiyanis as they are called in derogatory terms by most Pakistanis) are treated like 3rd class citizens and regarded as enemies of Pakistan and Islam! PATHETIC!
PakistaniAtheist 3 months ago
@PakistaniAtheist It's sad isn't it? Abdus Salam did much more for Pakistan than your average Pakistani. Unfortunately this is how PAkistan treats it's heros.
Whats even more sad is the way Ahmadi Muslims are treated in Pakistan yet they are better than most Sunni Muslims (and non-muslims) in nearly every way (Education, morals, etc)
e17jack 3 months ago
@e17jack exactly! when it comes to comparing the levels of religious aggression among all Muslim sects etc, Ahmedi Muslims are the MOST PACIFIST of all. They forbid any violence or jihad unless an actual 'Islamic state' is formed and authorises it (to Ahmedis, an Islamic state does not yet exist). Their actual motto is "Love for all. Hatred for none". And most Ahmedis are an educated, friendly, and largely secular people among South Asian muslims.
PakistaniAtheist 3 months ago
wise man! he did say anything about Jesus, who loves him.
serginfl 5 months ago
@serginfl Um he did mention Christianity which implies Jesus. You know Jesus loves him how? And please don't say because the bible tells me so.
uniteordie1 3 months ago
@uniteordie1 Christianity is a religion. Jesus Christ is alive person who resurrected from death and he is bigger than religion. You first sentence sounds awkward like "capitalism implies myself". Capitalism is very complicated phenomenon with many positive features and some negative ones, but anyway you are bigger than capitalism.
serginfl 2 months ago
Thank you for posting this, Dragonfire5287.
writersblock26 7 months ago
I respect Atheism, but religion just makes people turn on each other and hate one another. Can't we just not judge one another of their open religion, we have the choice to be morally right human beings.
DYlaNpItyDaFOOL 7 months ago
@DYlaNpItyDaFOOL Atheism is not a religion. Atheism is no more a religion than not collecting stamps is a hobby. Or bald is a hair style. Atheism is simply the lack of belief in god or gods, nothing more.
uniteordie1 3 months ago
god suckss frekkin noob, buddah aint my buddy. OSAMA LIVES LALALALALALALAALLA WAR CALL LALALALALALA, Y2K + 911 = jesus. OSAMA n sadam LIVE LONG HAIL
ScrandybobHD 9 months ago
'he's upset hearing clergymen give invocations at public events'...........well ain't that too bad stevie!
you'd think that a punkass like this would have more pressing concerns than that!
when stooges like him and sam harris and pete singer and dawkins get out of their element which is (SCIENCE) and start philosophizing and giving ethics lessons, etc. i could GAG!
these creeps are more arrogant than any other life form on the planet!
why don't they cure cancer or make ocean water drinkable!
graysonTW 9 months ago
@graysonTW If you have been taught social science at school you should know about Christianity, Jewish, and Muslim (and other religions) history and how they impact our world.
redrooster241 7 months ago
This video is brilliant
rpsafety09 9 months ago
If you believe in God because you think something must have created all this, who created God? Did God just exist one day from nothing?
h00k3d0nchr0n1x 10 months ago 3
@h00k3d0nchr0n1x That's the same thing with the Big Bang Theory which created our universe. How can it exist from nothing? Is nothing something?
redrooster241 7 months ago
@redrooster241 Who says that there was necessarily "nothing" before the universe? Maybe existence has always been; it's just taking the form of the universe right now. Who says that existence has to have form at all? Hey, maybe nothing is something. Hell, there could be all sorts of things going on. I have no idea, but there's a lot more reason for me to believe in the Big Bang than in a God.
SocialLocust 3 months ago
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patriotreaktywacja 10 months ago
This man is a sad character himself.God doesn't want us to hurt,be in torment or burn in hell.He gives us a choice,and we chose were we go.. it's that simple.
Rooroo05 11 months ago
@Rooroo05 He was specifically paraphrasing the old testament. If you listen closely that is what he is referring to. Also he deliberately states that he knows there are people like you who don't believe in that nonsense anymore. But if you read the traditional account of the Old Testament God, Weinberg does a great job of showing God's mentality.
torontoBluejays87 11 months ago
@Rooroo05 Burn in hell forever or do exactly what i say. Yeh that is such an open choice. Its like people at gun point, i dont know why they dont just disagree and walk away, they have the free and open choice! You're such a dumbass.
positiveprojtheory1 10 months ago
@Rooroo05 But what if you chose to not belive in that choice?
MultiverseTheory 10 months ago
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TheSatanwarrior 11 months ago
I don't like god either. As an atheist though, I sincerely HOPE there is a god and afterlife. I should like to tell god to His face what a fucking retarded prick He is! Not to mention His disciples!
blackestjake 1 year ago
@blackestjake Hahahahaha!
CRISNCHIPS12398 11 months ago
Gods are not immortal, as the religious believe, but have died thousands of times in the past and the current popular god of judeo- Christianity is no exception. One day we will be free of this superstitious and harmful nonsense! Thank you Dr. Weinberg!
blackestjake 1 year ago 2
It's true God has become very corrosive into religion, people take it way to seriously. Yeesh, I don't deny God, but it seems like science makes more sense sometimes.
stareagle112 1 year ago
The internal inconsistency, violence, and unlikely supernatural claims of any holy text are in no way related to: 1) The existence or non-existence of god(s). 2) The social utility of religion.
Keysteeze 1 year ago
Look at this goofy-goofy nut job. Smarmy? What about physicists themselves? I have never seen such a smarmy group as physicists. And this guy sounds sick in the head to me. You have to be an idiot to base your life on the words of someone just because they memorized a mass of equations out of books. This guy is a string theorist and a renowned asshole.
joehenger 1 year ago
@joehenger hmm, he makes a well reasoned arguement, and you call him a nut job. Very wise. Maybe instead of trying to discredit someone else you should actually make a few points in response?
crazykidlane 1 year ago
Seems to me his beef is with religion, or it's anthropomorphic representation of God. I don't really see where the pure concept of 'God' comes into his argument..
DoctorCalabria 1 year ago
@DoctorCalabria Well his entire discussion was concerning the three big monotheistic religions..which are indeed anthropomorphic - so i'm not sure what you are talking about.
BrannonMcConkey 11 months ago
CHECKMATE ATHIESTS! How can you prove that god doesnt exist, it goes both ways!
69chalupas 1 year ago
@69chalupas Prove to me that Unicons don't exist.
The people that believe in God are the ones that have something to prove because they are the ones making the initial and greater claim.
take care
Boyd0006 1 year ago 30
@Boyd0006 but unicorns DONT exist, everyone knows that. You dont have faith in a unicorn but a faith in god is something that is truly special.
69chalupas 1 year ago
@69chalupas So the only prerequisite u need for something to truely exist is if you have faith in it? What kind of logic is that?
Saying that unicorns don't exist because of your lack of faith in them does NOT prove anything. I don't have faith that there is a God so does this mean God does not exist?
No one has ever seen God or a unicorn. There are stories of both of them in books, but u cannot prove either of them DO exist
I do not entirely rule out the possibility but its HIGHLY unlikey
Boyd0006 1 year ago
@Boyd0006 Holy Shit, your right dude. I need to rethink this.
69chalupas 1 year ago
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@69chalupas "CHECKMATE ATHIESTS! How can you prove that god doesnt exist, it goes both ways!"
Nicely summed up...your towering ignorance that is...it is for the claimant to demonstrate, not the sceptic.
nordhorny 11 months ago
@69chalupas How can you prove god does exist? One can only cast reasonable doubt on it.
MultiverseTheory 10 months ago
God died in 1859, when The Origin of Spieces was published. The final nail in the coffin was 1883 Thus Spake Zarathustra. Nietzsche showed us how it could all be made up, but also how we already know that dogmatic, absolute morality is wrong. Richard Dawkins currently just tells it how it is now, up to you whether you listen to him or not.
positiveprojtheory1 1 year ago 16
@positiveprojtheory1 god keeps getting burried farther and farther with every next discovery made.
tkuliocowske 1 year ago 3
@positiveprojtheory1 gee, i thought it was darwins THEORY of evolution. fuck them that attatch themselves to theories of any kind, be they religious or scientific. think for yourselves, based on your own damned experiences in life, not based on how impressed you are with someone who backs up what you are thinking allready
cattlexing 10 months ago
@cattlexing ok then, if you refuse to use theories then you can stop using your computer because scientific theories were used to create it. Also, you can kill yourself, because your reasons for giving meaning to your life are a theory. Meaning is something that is speculated by us because it only relates to the individual making the speculation. It is all relative in those terms, so go commit suicide.
positiveprojtheory1 10 months ago
@positiveprojtheory1 "Not" would be the more intelligent choice. Alister McGrath's The Dawkin's Delusion explained why. How atheists and tyrants have tried to co-opt evolution to bolster their worldviews were abuses of an excellent theory that Darwin would have grieved.
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chamaeleonfomalhaut 1 year ago
Atheism is the religion of Palin...I mean Satan. They worship not worshipping. God bless the great country of Texas!
qigong1001 1 year ago
The growing proliferation of hipster atheists makes it hard for considered atheists to get respect - they hit their bong and its like "dude, there is no God". Then they hit it again and its like "dude. I am God". Next week it'll be whatever is fashionable. Determined atheists are no better than the determined creationist - neither can prove their point of view and its absurd to try - yet the battle rages on.
bowiemott 1 year ago
@bowiemott
The best attitude for an atheist to take is to be humble, and have humility.
VegasSkateCulture 1 year ago
@bowiemott Nonsense, this is only in relation to the degree, that atheism has far more actual disciplines for a readied response than a creationist. The degree to which you lump atheists in as a group is nauseating, as every individual has their own tenacity when it comes to the degree of their nonbelief. Stop being an apologist.
viletree 1 year ago
@viletree apologist for what ? Sorry "dude", hispter atheism isn't aheism - its just a trend. Also no atheist can disprove the existence of a diety as no desit can prove the existence of a deity.
bowiemott 1 year ago
@bowiemott Yes, there are definately hipster atheists but that are of no less value than anyone else. They have come to the same reasonable conclusion. However, atheists have thoroughly proved their point. The atheist position is that there is no reason to believe in God(s) and therefore we shouldn't. Sounds to me like your a hipster who doesn't understand the atheist position, and you are no help to either cause.
positiveprojtheory1 10 months ago
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bowiemott 10 months ago
Farts @ 0:14 and 0:48.
ChristFavorsME 1 year ago
He wants humanity to be before God what a joke? The creator will be below the created?
addis11100 1 year ago
well if he does not like God than God also dont like him. Who is he to say I dont like God?
addis11100 1 year ago
This is my favourite part of the interview.
PrometheanRunGood 1 year ago
He looks like a genius
Brasstacks11 1 year ago
If you live for nothing, you die for nothing. And don't give me that "life is what you make of it" crap. Tell that to the 6 year old with terminal cancer. She didn't get to make a life for herself. Doctors, nurses, the terminally ill, and their families need the hope that there is something greater than the suffering they have to witness day in and day out.
BlackFox0911 1 year ago
@BlackFox0911 Sure, I hear what you're saying. It's nice
to believe that there is something else "out there". But is
that real? Probably not. If there is a "God", then why does
he choose to inflict an innocent child with cancer? And
why doesn't "God" stop the wars and conflicts, and end
hunger and poverty?
avaxtakaka 1 year ago
@BlackFox Everyone dies frustrated and sad, and that is beautiful.
ClamCrunchy 1 year ago
@ClamCrunchy You make an interesting point. There were a couple of atheists who dealt with these issues of meaning, sorrow, beauty and death. You may have heard of them. One was Sigmund Freud and the other, CS Lewis. The latter died defending Christianity and the former of doctor assisted suicide. Please view the video~The Question of God: C.S. Lewis and Sigmund Freud.
Chiangmai007 1 year ago
My point: if we live for nothing, we die for nothing. The concept of life is a contradiction in itself if it has no purpose.
BlackFox0911 1 year ago
If this would be your purpose, then live for today and today only. Drown yourself in the finest wine to soothe the emptiness of your soul and seek out the most pleasurable of company to satisfy the space that yearns for guidance. And do so quickly, for your life is nothing more than that of an insect. Easily cut down by the powers of life that rule you. Tyrants in their very nature, indiscriminately exhalt themselves above their lowly subjects.
BlackFox0911 1 year ago
Depressing, isn't it? Everyone, indeed everyTHING, exists for the sole purpose of decay. Civilizations rise and fall, kings are born and die, their legacies eventually lost as time brings forth new fruits. This is the prophetic belief of a man who is his own god.
BlackFox0911 1 year ago
Or do we live for a higher purpose? To take our place among the scrolls of history that sadly, too, must decay with time? What a pitiful waste of an existence. Even the most brilliantly constructed marvel bows to the hands of time. The human body no exception
BlackFox0911 1 year ago
To what purpose is man destined if he is entwined only to this life? The life of a firecracker? Carefully constructed and beautifully designed, only to be appreciated for a moment before fading from existence?
BlackFox0911 1 year ago
Two Jewish Atheists speaking of God.
Forkroute 1 year ago
LOVE THIS INTERVIEW!!!
antbryant1 1 year ago
Oh it is not. Go read the Blake-Feyerabend Hypothesis. Pop science and religion are both calling dibs on whacked out authority to make money off people. How do we know there isn’t something stranger than both God and Evolution going on in the Universe?
Post-Atheism is about abolishing your limitations and inhibitions.
CTY801CTY 1 year ago
Brilliantly worded :)!
JacksonDReynolds 1 year ago
Organized religion is the biggest load of crap ever to hit the
planet. Not only is it a scam and a fraud, but billions of people
have died in wars, conducted in "God's name". The "Good
Christians" (talk about a contradiction!) talk about their faith
espousing love and hope. Baloney! Christianity promotes
hate and intolerance. Remember Pat Robertson? He wanted
all gay people to be exterminated! He should have been tried
on a "hate crime" charge. Religion is WRONG!!!!
avaxtakaka 1 year ago
@avaxtakaka maybe you haven't studied eastern orthodox christianity
x6801 1 year ago
@x6801 I am unfamilar with this term. What exactly is
"Eastern Orthodox Christianity"?
avaxtakaka 1 year ago
Based on Wired Magazines observation that atheists tend to be quarrelsome, socially challenged men, to say nothing of the unpleasant personalities of leading public atheists such as Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens and Michel Onfray, one could reasonably hypothesize that there is likely to be a strong correlation between Aspergers and atheism.Aspergers Syndrome (AS) is a neurobiological disorder on the autism spectrum (some even claim it is merely High Functioning Autism)
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman They wouldnt seem that quarrelsome if religous people would accept that its okay to critizise faith. Every single time I've listened to Hitchens, Dawkins and so on debating they come of as polite, wellspoken and respectful. But sure, you've formulated a hypothesis. Is there a statistically significant correlation between Aspergers and atheism? All that remains is to do the science bit (unless its already been done, I might check later but not now).
thecaringatheist 1 year ago
@thecaringatheist Read the article- essentially, atheism is the belief in...nothing. That belief is so boring that you have to do something to stay conscious, so you criticize...end result- atheists are boring and negative.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman Boring? Interesting enough that you watched the video.... Once again, for the supernatural believers like this guy: Atheism is not a belief in "nothing", it is a belief that you can understand things from learning, instead of believing in magic.
leighgridley 1 year ago
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@leighgridley Atheism is linked to Aspergers Syndrome, a social disorder characterized by an inability to understand complex ideas such as God and a tendancy toward rude, anti-social behavior. Atheists tend to have higher rates of isolation, depression and suicide.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman that is the stupidest thing i have ever heard
evildogheretic 1 year ago
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@evildogheretic I got it from your mom:)
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman This is how your elusion works; you believe in god 'cos you're scared of dying and desperate for any way out of it, so you pretend (faith is just pretense, a form of pseudo-knowledge) this old myth is really true. This faith (wishful thinking) in an invisible man keeps you from fear of oblivion, so it means everything to you, so you assume anyone without this make-believe approach must have a meaningless life. You are trapped in a myth, bound by dogma that distorts everything.
alien8ted 1 year ago
@alien8ted Not at all, I looked into atheism and found that it is impossible. It is the belief in...nothing. Something coming from nothing is irrational, illogical and impossible. Atheism is a lie. Atheism is a delusional misrepresentation usually based on a hatred of faith and people of faith.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@moonlightbateman It is your definition of atheism that is a lie. You invent convenient lies to support your belief in miracles. You believe your misrepresentation of the world, which you call faith. You are the one who is deluded.
alien8ted 1 year ago
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@alien8ted Not at all, I looked into atheism and found that it is impossible. It is the belief in...nothing. Something coming from nothing is irrational, illogical and impossible. Atheism is a lie. Atheism is a delusional misrepresentation usually based on a hatred of faith and people of faith.
moonlightbateman 1 year ago
@alien8ted Or, we belive that something as perfect and vast as the universe wasnt a mere cosmic accident.
spyderalltheway 1 year ago
it spells atheism
MrWsad 1 year ago
i think religion was made because people were scared of the thought of dying, even though it happens all the time and to everyone at some point. with religion, people are comforted by the fact that they believe they wont really die, but just go into the after life, or heaven. i think this is wrong, but thats just the way i choose to think.
NuBzOrX 1 year ago
I have an exactly the same opinion about this topic.
enedene1 1 year ago
I might add these punishments end up being meaningless, what the point of punishing someone for eternity. Even if they murdered a 1000 people your going to punish them forever. To me it just makes the crime to the point it doesn't even matter.
slicingwater 1 year ago
I am tired of you fucking atheists making the world a shitty place. You fucking atheists better keep your bullshit on the internet because if you try and speak your lies in person, some of us believers are going to fuck you up real good. Stay online where you are safe, pussies. I hope you all fucking suffer. This message is for gays too.
RollingStud 1 year ago
@RollingStud
All I can say is that in the same way you hope to find an Atheist to hurt, I hope a person of an alternative faith finds you to be just as much an infidel.
Harizl 1 year ago
@RollingStud You are a cave troll?
pcuimac 1 year ago
@RollingStud So much for love thy neighbor eh? You believers always threatening people of different faiths. Don't you ever get tired of that? And by what you said you violated one of the 10 commandments which by your faith is a sin. Haha hypocrisy ftw. But you will just go to church and everything will be magically fixed huh? Yeah right. Its ignorant people like you that make the world a crappy place to live in. And if you didn't exist the world would be a must better and safer place.
locohammerhead 1 year ago
@RollingStud yes you are a troll, and religion it self is crazy and stupid
NuBzOrX 1 year ago
Makes sense. I think God is corrosive to the human race. Never has evil been performed more gleefully and full of heart than in the name of religion! "God wills it!"...we cry. Humans know nothing of God they just make the crap up as they go along and use "incorrect" religons as an excuse for their sick behavior. If the world would only worship each other instead of God, the human race would stand a chance. Having religion as our guiding light is dooming us to extinction.
13uncletim13 1 year ago
awesome stuff!!
How long will it be before the majority think this way ?
Hopefully in my life time, now that would be progress...
Dops1973 1 year ago
ok the day an athiest can make a human body, the heart, the brain, the lungs, the blood, the bones, and ect. somenthing as complicated as the human body than i might just buy in the whole there is no god thing. but until that day happens. GOD First.
ecuadormexico 1 year ago
at least humans can cure diseases god made.
markinu 1 year ago 4
@ecuadormexico You don't have to wait that long, God died precisely on the 24th of November 1859 when Darwin first published 'On the origin of the Species'.
fsxmantra 1 year ago 11
I don;t beleive in God and beleive 100% in evolution but you can stil beleive in god and evolution and also not beleive in god and not beleive in evolution they are seperate and do not have to be clumped together, the best 1 though is when creationsists try to put evolution and the creation of the universe in the same sentence
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@fsxmantra
"You don't have to wait that long, God died precisely on the 24th of November 1859 when Darwin first published 'On the origin of the Species'."
Actually, I just read origin, the man states at the end of the book that all life, even though it evolved, came from a creator. I have no problem with atheism, but do it right.
VegasSkateCulture 1 year ago
@fsxmantra
origin of species was a Christian book, try reading it.
VegasSkateCulture 1 year ago
@VegasSkateCulture I marvel at your sense of humour or rather your 'humility'.
fsxmantra 1 year ago
I can make a human body, it's called reproduction, something that has been quite useful during our evolutionary process.
The day you show me God make a human being then mabye i will buy the whole fantasy novel that you call the bible.
gamesaddict 1 year ago 20
If they did that then you would need to find out what god it is as there are millions of gods been made up in the world, Mythology is an interesting subject I think the magical world of elves and mystics is more accurate than the bible to be fare at least you know what your looking for when searching for elves
donnsexgod 1 year ago
@gamesaddict That's like the man who claims the ability to clone cows is sufficient proof we don't need God. Its a non-sequitor in reality. All it shows is that intelligence was needed in the first place..aside from matter, etc.
Seeing things in order to believe them is an equally impoverished view of the way reality works. The scientist believes in numbers; the average human being believes in values. Neither are available to the senses and yet both are fundamental to science and life.
Chiangmai007 1 year ago
@gamesaddict God does more than that! God is the life and the resurrection. He resurected Jesus Christ and Lazarus from the dead. His disciples along the history made the same thing.
x6801 1 year ago
@x6801 fair enough, your entitled to your opinion, and i think i was probably overly harsh in my first comment, but hopefully you too can understand how athiests can find religion to be just as crazy as you find athiesim.
gamesaddict 1 year ago
@gamesaddict One more thing. Christ is a true person in history, so the bible and particularly the new testament is not a novel. Here in greece we have had people (now orthodox saints) who performed wonders in the name of Christ. I am not talking about Yuri geller and David Copperfield. Their entire life is to believers a proof for the existence of Jesus Christ.
x6801 1 year ago
@x6801 For the sake of argument, let's say that some
fella named Jesus Christ did exist, 2,000+ years ago.
How does that affect me today? Could I identify with him?
Highly unlikely. I believe in looking forward, not backward.
As for Moses "parting the Red Sea", please show me the
math equation. To me, the Bible is fiction, and even if it was
true, it has little or no bearing on today's world.
avaxtakaka 1 year ago
@avaxtakaka First things first. Until 1054 the christian world was united. At 1054 a schism,that is a separation between the western and eatstern "church" was caused due to the western's false doctrines. The eastern aka orthodox christianity claims to be the unchanged doctrine directly inherited from christ's disciples. Google it.
x6801 1 year ago
@avaxtakaka As for miracles, orthodox christianity without them is just an empty idea. Miracles happened in the past like moses did, but continue to happen even today. Orthodox christianity has many saints, wonder makers even the rescent years. This make us believe that we orthodox have the true christian doctrine. For believers living a life without sins according to christ is the single most important thing. It will allow us to go to heaven.
x6801 1 year ago
@x6801 The entire foundation of Christianity
seems to be based upon "sin". To me, this is
pure negativity. Why can't we concentrate upon
the GOOD things that mankind offers? Also,
"sin" is a subjective term. What's "sinful" to a
Christian may not be sinful to somebody else.
I believe that Voltaire put it best. "People who
have no vices or sins usually have no virtues".
I believe this.
avaxtakaka 1 year ago
@avaxtakaka Sin plays a dominant role in western christianity, eg roman catholicism. Catholics insist on saying that God let his own son Jesus to be crussified as a means of attonement, because people did not obey His rules. They present a God who punishes people for their sins. Sin plays of course a role in eastern christianity. But easterns say that the crussifiction of Christ and his resurrection allow us to become God oursleves if we live according to his Gospel. To be continued...
x6801 1 year ago
@x6801 I grew-up in a Catholic family. I was told
that basically EVERYTHING was a "sin" (including
playing ice hockey!). I rebelled at a very young age.
I ignored "Lent" (a totally STUPID custom!), I stopped
reading the Bible....the works! When I became an
atheist, my life dramatically improved. For the first
time, I was FREE! If "God" wants to punish me for
my (so-called) "sins", let him do so. But I will not live
with a yoke around my neck.
avaxtakaka 1 year ago
@avaxtakaka The orthodox church has never prosecuted Gallileo or confronted with science as the westerns have. Orthodox insist on free will and say that man is glorified when the holly spirit lives inside the man. This spirituality is different from nirvana. In the induistic and related religions in nirvana you don't fight to eliminate the bad aspects of your life bat try to cover it up. On the other hand orthodox try to eliminate them through the "ascesis". It is a "war" to the our bad side...
x6801 1 year ago
@avaxtakaka which eventually lead us to the "theosis". It is very difficult to explain orthodoxy to a person. Orthodox life is not an intellectual and vague construction. It is a radical and new way of living that is difficult to appreciate unless to get along with it
x6801 1 year ago
@avaxtakaka When I say we become Gods I mean this happens because of our union with God, because we embrace God. The holly spirit is then with us. In greek when a person achieves this kind of spirituality we say that he (she) has reached "theosis". This is the state that all saints have reached. And then they can even perform wonders to glorify God. Our goal is to try to reach this state which is a kind of heaven here in earth. This is the promise of Jesus that he will always be with us....
x6801 1 year ago
@x6801 Perhaps I am a "humanist". Instead of
glorifying "God", why not glorify "mankind"? Look
at the magnificent achievements of humans! We
have seen some incredibly brilliant minds (ie,
Copernicus, Einstein, Edison, Curie, Galileo, etc).
In essence, "theosis" is equivalent to "nirvana", a
literal "heaven on earth". I'm OK with that. But do I
need to believe in "God" to achieve that?
avaxtakaka 1 year ago
@avaxtakaka After the so called enlightment age in France a radical turn has occured in human thought and civilization. Man needed to free himself from the Church, and I mean western catholic church which is a totally different thing from eastern orthodox church. Most scientific breakthroughs were accelerated from this turn. It was the time that the human mind was "glorified". Allthough the significance of these achievments is unquestionable there were major collateral damage...
x6801 1 year ago
@avaxtakaka , i.e man thought he had unlimited power and this resulted to the gradual pollution of the environment and the vast social inequalities between the "civilized" and the uncivilized in Africa and elsewhere. Are we glad for these achievements? They resulted because of our tension to glorify our egos and our detachment form the true christian life. I see you have a bad on opinion about christianity. it is because you haven't known orthodox christianity which is different from catholic...
x6801 1 year ago
@x6801 I do not believe in "worshipping" anybody. I
have no problem is admiring or respecting a person,
but the concept of "worship" is something that I cannot
but into. As for going to "heaven", this is a concept
based upon blind faith. What if there isn't a "heaven"?
I'm of the belief that once we die....that's it, end of show.
avaxtakaka 1 year ago
@avaxtakaka We don't worship the saints. We only worship God. Saints on the other hand are some sort of guide to us. They stand as an example of a true christian should behave IF we want to reach "theosis" ourselves. As for heaven (as for all the other things I have talked about) it is in the end a matter of faith. But we claim that there is a lot of "evidence". Miracles and wonders that happen even in our days are a kind of "proof"
x6801 1 year ago
@avaxtakaka One more thing. Heaven is of course the essence of (eastern) christianity. But the present life is also important. Christ said in the bible that blessed are the peacemakers and those who are striving for justice. So a true christian tries to make the world better. Doesn't this affect us today? So the question that arises today is why there is so much injustice. the unswer is that we are far from God and do not make his will that will allow us to leave peacefully.
x6801 1 year ago
@gamesaddict Exactly, the only things in this universe we know and we can observe to creat a human being are two humans able of reproduction. Man and a woman. No God involved, it's just us f----ing. Just like the rest of the nature, we mutiply, thus evolve over time.
JohnnyLee18 1 year ago
@JohnnyLee18 You are 100% correct. Reproduction
is not a "miracle", it's just a natural biological process.
"God" has nothing to do with it. Thomas Edison once
said, "What you call 'God', I call 'nature'".
avaxtakaka 1 year ago
@gamesaddict VERY well stated, my friend! The Bible
is THE biggest load of baloney ever printed! "God" is a
concept, a fantasy.....a make-believe character. However,
I do believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, the Easter
Bunny and Paris Hilton.
avaxtakaka 1 year ago
@gamesaddict
Yeah, it's trivially easy to make a human body; it's usually done through unskilled labor.
polymath7 1 year ago
@gamesaddict The statement is incorrect. You are able to have sex. Hopefully. But creating life is not within your power. Doctors may prescribe meds and perform surgeries, but they themselves are not able to heal anything. Life and healing come from Elsewhere. But lets suppose you were able to create or heal by fiat. All that would prove was that intelligence was required in the first place.
Chiangmai007 1 year ago
@Chiangmai007 the act of sex itself is the first step in creating life, i am talking about realism here, not just magically making things.
If you look at how certain animals have evolved over time such as the giraffe you'll see that thier nervous system is flawed, not how an engineer would design it but how it would evolve.
Also meds can heal you, there is scientific proof for that so not sure what you mean by that or mabye i misunderstood.
Tbh i don't want to argue, we just have different views
gamesaddict 1 year ago
@gamesaddict
your comment doesn't deserve to be as popular as it is.
@thebigkiller2010
I have no problem with atheist, just like I have no problem with ants, and rocks, and other objects of unimportance. However I do have a problem with atheist who condemn religion. Sure people (anglo saxons) have done evil things in the name of God, but evil things have been done in the name of any idea.
Sponsor a child, then you can talk you fucking hypocritical cowards.
VegasSkateCulture 1 year ago
@VegasSkateCulture well unfortunately it is, terribly sorry about that but i don't choose these things.
gamesaddict 1 year ago
@gamesaddict That appears so...well then, carry on!
VegasSkateCulture 1 year ago
No athiest is saying they can create them - Your objective mind is clouding your logic here, First before you beleive something it you need to have a reason to beleive it - In this case God - so prove god exists. This means bring evidence not say its obvbious and your just clouded you can't ignore this fact but then again you have till now
donnsexgod 1 year ago
@ecuadormexico you were made by your mom in a mere 9 months my friend
truckerharley 1 year ago
ok i understand were your coming from but were did my mom come from??????????????????
ecuadormexico 1 year ago
@ecuadormexico
"Where did everything come from?" is a typical argument for anyone who is 10 years old or anyone from Mexico or Ecuador. For love of god, pick up a book on biology or physics and learn something for a change.
robertoppenheimer 1 year ago
@robertoppenheimer Hi! You use the phrase "For love of god". From your comment I take you are no believer. That phrase shows how deeply religion poisoned our use of language.
pcuimac 1 year ago
@pcuimac
Pun intended
robertoppenheimer 1 year ago
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Ok seriously ppl I'm 12 and it's not like the universe and stars created us i mean u athiests think oh ur all molecules and stuff well newsflash just cause u think something u don't know doesn't mean ur right I am not offending athiests I'm just saying I'm a proud Christian in middle school it's sad I gotta tell u ppl who r like 50
holyknightsex 1 year ago
If you'd been born in India you'd believe in the hindu creation myth, if you'd been born in Egypt you'd believe in their creation myth. When scientists talk about the universe & life they use science & evidence & reason. When Christians talk about the universe they say " I believe God created everything because that's what Christians believe, or I "know" God created the world, because I have "faith" that he did. It is the religous not atheists who make claims without evidence I'm afraid.
STEPHENWRAYSFORD33 1 year ago 3
I agree that thinking is not knowing-but shouldn't you then be agnostic? Religious people pretend to know what they cannot possibly know. You do not know that the miracles of the NT are true.
jackdav34 1 year ago 2
it's corrosive because its the truth and you can only hide from the truth for so long eventually it will find you
boogiebuddy01 2 years ago 2
Steven Weinberg - What silly statements you make from a perspective of knowing all?
BramaCity 2 years ago
You realize that the bible claims to know how the entire universe originated despite not a shred of evidence existing for a god, right?
So who claims to know it all?
giggletronics 2 years ago
Giggletronics - if you only would open your eyes to real evidence instead of pretending that there is none. "shred of evidence"? we are just too close to it all to see any of it right? (apparently Steven has never had to live out in the wild where a person can connect with nature). Try living outside society's construct & anyone would think & feel differently about life. Stevens statements come from being comfortable. (There is EVIDENCE & PROOF of Gods Existence!).
BramaCity 2 years ago
I like the way he says he doesn't like God because what I think is he believes in God but doesn't like him see the way he's talking is so self-centered it doesn't explain why God doesn't exist and the Universe COULDN'T have come from NOTHING OK its IMPOSSIBLE. Look around you I mean science can't explain love, emotions and even a person's memory so STFU science and SUCK MY DICK!!!!!
princepersia1 2 years ago
You're so stupid.
He does not think there is a god. At all. As I do not. This is a typical theist's way to rationalizing someone else not believing.
Explanation of love and emotions - evolutionary mechanisms to elicit a reaction that promotes survival. Animals who feel an emotional connection to their young will take better care of them, and the genes will more likely be passed on. How have you never thought of this? You just say "well, thats complicated...it's GOD".
giggletronics 2 years ago 2
STFU SUCK MY DICK
princepersia1 2 years ago
Has anyone here ever considered that to live with God, is to live with hope, love and joy? There is no pain in the rest of God and it is a priviledge to know Him through Jesus Christ. God has helped me through the worst times of my life with His strength. I hope for this same comfort for everyone in the world.
kenglish761 2 years ago
@kenglish761 I live with hope, love, and joy, but I am an atheist. I don't need an invisible friend to help me through tough times, I help myself and as a result, become a stronger person. Religion is for the weak.
emanuel777 2 years ago
Emanuel...I was talking to a Muslim today who understand's God's love because of His commandments. The golden rule of doing to others as you would have them do unto you, came from God. However, the only way for us to have this 'emotion' be true in our hearts is through the Holy Spirit. Can you honestly say, that you love your neighbor as you would yourself? This is actually an impossible feat without God.
kenglish761 2 years ago
The golden rule did not come from God, it came from Man, who wrote the bible. Morality is possible without believing in an invisible dictator that spent the first half of the bible conducting mass executions. You honestly think that without believing in god, we would not be able to say "hey, let's not kill each other because it's not nice". You think that the only thing holding you back from going on a murderous rampage is that you believe in god?
emanuel777 2 years ago
Well...C.S. Lewis was an Oxford Professor. Without God, no one can explain where the moral law came from. How did we get the law? It can't be proven to have been derived from evolution, or the human race would be improving. Jesus said to also, turn the other cheek and love your enemies. He said to love others as you would yourself. He commanded us to not judge one another. How can this man have been crazy, or a liar, or not the Son of God. He was the Son of God.
kenglish761 2 years ago
Oxford Professor? I know one, Richard Dawkins. Look him up, it will do you good. You say without god, you can't explain where morality came from. It actually can be proven on the basis of evolution. We evolved to be kind to each other because we used to live in small tribes. People had a better chance of survival when they worked together. And evolution is not necessarily about "improving", it is about SURVIVAL. Speaking about where things came from, who or what made god if he exists?
emanuel777 2 years ago
Emanuel. I understand that you think people are improving, but I think this is a hard belief to support because of the constant bad news....such as nuclear war. Don't you think it's hard to believe in evolution because our morals have not evolved? God calls himself the great 'I AM' who has always been in existence. He created us out of love and called the world 'good'. I believe that the love everyone experiences is from God. But, to come 'alive' you must believe in His Son.
kenglish761 2 years ago
You are clearly delusional. You are wrong to say our morals have not evolved. Women have rights and slavery is no more. The morality the religion proposes has not evolved at all since its conception. Religious people follow their books, and those books never change. It is not hard to believe in evolution because there is actually physical evidence to support it. If think there is a god that created us in his image, then consider this. Without dental care we would die because of our teeth.
emanuel777 2 years ago
Emanuel - try living in a country where there is NO running water & government "oppression" where people are bought & sold like dogs. People are raped & killed for NO reason & feel the raw evil from those governments that take from citizens that want to just live. (Yes people should move from there but they can't or won't) Those people would NOT agree with your statements! - I've seen it all & it's really bad when these crimes are done by their governments. Who do they call up on?
BramaCity 2 years ago
Actually I couldn't disagree more. Those people would probably agree with me. If they are in a state of terrible suffering, how can they believe that there is a god that loves them? Why would a god put them through all the pain and misery? There is no justification for allowing people to be raped, tortured, and killed. No justification at all.
emanuel777 2 years ago
Proof, please? You're just saying things. I can make plenty of statements and never back them up. What are talking about? Do you really think that if the 10 commandments were never written that people would run around killing and stealing? Hey, why don't the 10 commandments mention rape or slavery? Wouldn't that have been helpful? Give me a break, you useless sheep.
Btw the bible actually condones slavery. Exodus 21:20-21. Look it up. How's that for biblical morality?
giggletronics 2 years ago
It occurs to me that you will not look up the passage because you don't want to read things like that so here it is:
[20] ...and if a man beats his male or female servant with a rod, so that he dies under his hand, he shall surely be punished. [21] Notwithstanding, if he remains alive a day or two, he shall not be punished; for he is his property.
giggletronics 2 years ago
That is the OLD Testament - an EYE for an EYE (wiped out by Jesus Christ & changed all that).
Anyone that asks for "PROOF of God's" existence sounds like you could just point to something & say see I told you... WOULD anyone believe then? The human race can NOT even explain how PYRAMIDS were build how can we EXPLAIN "GOD"? How could we be so arrogant?
BramaCity 2 years ago
@BramaCity - "Anyone that asks for "PROOF of God's" existence sounds like you could just point to something & say see I told you... WOULD anyone believe then?"
No, they wouldn't believe in that case, they'd KNOW it exists. To believe is to have faith. All faith by definition is blind. I don't have faith that the earth is a globe, I know it. Knowledge and faith are two completely different things.
byteresistor 1 year ago
@BramaCity Er... actually we 'can' explain the pyramids, and they have the added nicety of actually being 'seen' so they can be explained. So, "eye for an eye" was wiped out by Jesus? "Verily I say unto you, anyone who lives by the sword must die by the sword." And let's say he 'did' remove this: Was the original standard of Yahve imperfect? Why change a perfect god's perfect law? Do you not understand that when Jesus was saying, "You have heard it said" that HIS quotes were ALSO from the OT?
rationalmuscle 1 year ago
You have helped yourself through hard times by building an imaginary character up in your mind. It's a typical and natural human coping mechanism. You probably feel like you don't need proof for your beliefs and that's sad. You absolutely do, otherwise all you stand for is simply wishful thinking. I'm not saying it doesn't help you to have this imaginary friend, but it's still not true. Kids talk to imaginary friends, and it helps them out as well.
giggletronics 2 years ago
Steven can not even explain how the PYRAMIDS were built. HOW can he explain & capture "GOD" in his mind? Reading only the Holy Bible without experiencing is a shame. There is proof that "GOD" does EXIST! Life can NOT be summed up by reading a bunch of books & calculating evidence from other books!! (This steven looks as if he was born in a class room & never left to go outside).
BramaCity 2 years ago
God does not exist, but the pyramids do. We admit that there is no definite explanation for how they were built, only theories. We don't need to prove the pyramids exist, but you need to prove that god does. There is no proof that he exists, only arguments.
emanuel777 2 years ago 2
Are we the "ANT FARM"? - We are just busy going about our day but to try & figure out string theory & NEW dimentions without real tools to figure it out & see beyond our know limits... We are just the ant farm & we just don't know YET is that right?
BramaCity 2 years ago
I don't really follow you. You cannot simplify our universe down to an ant farm. The fact is, we live in a universe that we do not fully understand, and that itself is quite amazing.
emanuel777 2 years ago
You are right! - What I'm really saying is that there are things we just don't know yet... We are just now making discoveries on our own planet about deep sea & in rain forests etc... (I was really asking a question BUT making a statement - WE DON't KNOW everything yet). So why take a position of "NO GOD" ? WE DON't KNOW yet? Some do & some don't... Thanks;)
BramaCity 2 years ago
Why take the position that there is no God? Well, why take the position that there are no flying space unicorns in another galaxy? We don't know yet right? God is just one thing that COULD exist out of an infinite