You keep saying how the JWS are "covering up" the child abuse cases. First of all, they dont cover them up. Its just that we dont think its right to go tell everybody,"Oh yeah, HI!!! You know brother C? Well he is a pedophile! Ok bye!" Is that what you want us to do? We shouldnt. We should, and do, report the case to the authorities, bu do it discretely, so we dont humiliate the person for their sin. Its time to stop with the lies you just randomly beleive. What good is it doing you?
@VidaPortuguesa bud it`s about using psycology on the victims and diswading them from going to the authorities. look up silentlambs australia on utube and u`ll c what i`m talking about.
"We should, and do, report the case to the authorities, bu do it discretely, so we dont humiliate the person for their sin"
U KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT TRUE! THERE R VIDEOS ON UTUBE THAT PROVE THE OPPOSITE. THE WTS HAS A WICKED POLICY ON CHILD ABUSE.
THEY SAY THERE MUST BE 2 OR MORE WITNESSES TO AN ABUSE. THIS IS EVIL AND ALSO STUPID COS WHEN WILL ANY PAEDOPHILE EVER ABUSE A CHILD INFRONT OF ANOTHER WITNESS. WHITH THIS SATANIC STUPIDITY MANY CHILD ABUSERS GO FREE AND DON`T GET REPORTED.FOR INSTANCE IN ITALY THERE R MANY CHILD ABUSES AND NOT EVEN ONE HAS BEEN REPORTED . THIS IS EVIL!!!!
@VidaPortuguesa "Its time to stop with the lies you just randomly beleive. What good is it doing you?"
OH THESE R NO LIES. THERE R MANY UTUBE VIEOS THAT PROVE WHAT I`M SAYING. JUST TYPE IN SILENTLAMBS ON UTUBE OR Watchtower organization child abuse policy (II)
AND U CAN C THAT IT IS TOTALY TRUE.
AS JESUS SAID U CAN TELL A TREE BY IT`S FRUIT AND THE WTS IS FULL OF THORNS.
@ammeread79 it`s not rediculous at all cos if there was an italian pedophile THERE WOULD BE NO JW ELDERS PROTECTING HIM ,he would be subject to the rule of law without DECIEVING jw elder protecting him and using psycology on the victims.
@ammeread79 silentlambs is about the lies and coverups in the wts ALL AROUND THE WORLD! it tells about how jw`s like urself hide pedophiles and alow them NOT to be convicted.there r thousands of abuse cases kept at the hq of the wts all around the world. in some countries they r never caught cos of the wtys 2 or more witness policy.
@arnie365 Your argument is basicaly that because there are some jws that have been paedophiles then all jws are paedophiles, its a totally ridiculous argument
@ammeread79 no it`s not!!! any LOGICAL person can understant that my arguement is that the wts HIDES pedophiles in the org and jw`s LIE about pedophiles in the org. there r thousands of child abuse cases in the wts and the very reason we don`t hear about them is cos ELDER LIKE URSELF HIDE THEM!!!!!!!!!
I will no longer get into a debate with someone like Arnie who blatantly makes up Lies about others , he is a disgusting creature and hasn't got a clue how a normal human being let alone a christian should conduct themself
@arnie365 your disgusting , making up an accusation like that about someone , your father is the Devil for he is the father of the lie , you will end up sharing in his judgement
@arnie365 of course thats your argument if its not why when i say that "i condemn child abuse in all it forms" do you argue about that statement and bring up silent lambs.
Firstly, what does silent lambs have to do with the fact that i condemn child abuse in all its forms?
Secondly , how do you know that these ones that speak out on sites such as silent lambs are telling the truth?
Lastly , our policy as jws is to condemn and report to the relevant authorities any allegation of child abuse
"Secondly , how do you know that these ones that speak out on sites such as silent lambs are telling the truth?"
THERE U GO . THIS PROVES MY POINT. U AND THE OTHER ELDERS ARE ALWAYS TWISTING THE TRUTH , HOW DO I KNOW THEY R TELLING THE TRUTH COS THE ELDERS PEDOPHILE ELDERS GET CONVICTED THAT`S HOW!!!!
@ammeread79 "Lastly , our policy as jws is to condemn and report to the relevant authorities any allegation of child abuse "
LIAR! UR POLICY IS TO PROTECT THE "GOOD NAME " OF JEHOVAH`S ORGANIZATION AT ALL COSTS,THERE4 THE ABUSERS NEVER GET REPORTED AND IF THE ABUSER DENIES IT THEN THE WTS DOES NOTHING COS OF THEIR 2 OR MORE WITNESS ABUSE POLICY.
I TELL U THE TRUTH, ALL THE GUILT OF THE PEDOPHILES IN THE WTS WILL BE ON THE HEADS OF THE DECEPTIVE ELDERS ON JUDGEMENT DAY.
@ammeread79 " of course thats your argument if its not why when i say that "i condemn child abuse in all it forms" do you argue about that statement and bring up silent lambs."
SILENT LAMBS DOES`NT SAY ALL JW`S R PEDOPHILES DOES IT? SO UR LOGIC IS AKIN TO A PROGRAMMED CULT MEMBER. IT SAYS THAT CHILD ABUSE HAPPENS IN THE WTS AND ELDERS LIKE URSELF HIDE IT AND PREVENT VICIMS FROM GOING TO THE AUTHORITIES COS THAT WOULD MEAN DISGRACE FOR THE WTS` "GOOD NAME".
@ammeread79 dan,dan , dan God has got a plan 4 u and saTAN. u spread ur lies that Jesus is apollyon or apollo u steal innocence, u lie day by day bt ur time will come when the true Jesus returns JESUS OF NAZERETH.
@ammeread79 THE FOOL IS THE ONE WHO CAN`T SHOW ANY REFFERENCE TO JESUS FALLING FROM HEAVEN. THE FOOL IS THE ONE WHO ABUSSES CHILDREN AND THEN THINKS HE CAN GET AWAY WITH IT. THE FOOL IS THE ONE WHO BELIEVES IN DATES LIKE 1919 BT CAN`T PROVE IT FROM THE BIBLE. THE FOOL IS THE ONE WHO CALLS ABADON JESUS AFTER THE WTS USED TO CALL ABADDON SATAN. THE FOOL IS THE ONE WHO MISLEADS PPL EVERY DAY WITH THESE LIES.
@arnie365 God hates liars and you have the cheek to go on about judgement day , how do you think you stand on judgement day with your blatant lies and false accusations
@ammeread79 OH I`LL BE PUTTING A VIDEO UP CHALLENGING U TO SHOW ME THAT FALLEN IN CONTEXT OF SOMEONE FALLING FROM HEAVEN MEANS ANYTHING OTHER THAT BEING CAST OUT LIKE THE DEVIL AND HIS DEMONS. THEN EVERYONE CAN C WHO THE FOOL AND THE LIAR IS.
@ammeread79 of course how could i not have recognized the zombiefied answers of dan better known as 2edgesword and jahsprophecy.NO WONDER U ALWAYS THINK UR WINNING UR BRAIN HAS BEEN SO ABUSED BY THE WTS THAT IF U WERE PLAYING CHESS AND UR OPPONENT YELLS CHECK MATE U`LL PROBIBLY GET UP AND DO A VICTORY DANCE. SHAME I`LL PRAY FOR U POOR DAN.
OH AND JUST COS THE WTS DEFENDED U WITH THAT ABUSE CHARGE,IT DOES`NT MEAN U R NOT GUILTY IN THE EYES OF GOD .JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING MY FREIND.
@ammeread79 " I've never had a conversation with someone with such little intelligence "
saya someone who can`t answer a question i asked 50 TIMES and who can`t give evidence that FALLEN applies to Jesus and is sooooo BLIND that he can`t c that FALLEN is ONLY applied to SATAN!!!!
U SHOW THE TYPICAL SYMTOMS OF A MIND CONTROLED ZOMBIE OF THE WTS. U KEEP INSULTING MY INTELLIGENCE YET CAN`T PROVIDE ONE SING SCRIPTURE TO PROVE THAT FALLEN CAN AND IS APPLIED TO JESUS.
@ammeread79 RIGHT LETS PUT WHAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE SHALL WE.THEN WE CAN REALLY C WHO IS EMBARRASSING THEM SELVES.
i say falling in context reffers to the uncontrolled decend to earth due to being CAST OUT of heaven.there4 it only applies to satan and his angels and NEVER to Jesus cos Jesus decends from heaven in a CONTROLLED manor deu to HIM NOT BEING CAST OUT LIKE SATAN. if my interpretation is true the bible will ONLY atribute FALLING to satan and NEVER to Jesus.
@ammeread79 vs 1: isa 14: 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
vs 2:lk 10:18And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
WILL THE READER NOTE THAT THERE IS NOT A SINGLE VERSE THAT SAYS JESUS FALLS FROM HEAVEN. LET THE READER NOTE THAT MIND CONTROL IS SO POWERFUL IN JW`S THAT IT MAKES THEM BELIEVE THEY R WINNING AN ARGUMENT WHEN ACTUALLY THEY R LOSING SOOO BAD.
@ammeread79 Jesus is always said to COME down from heaven and NEVER FALL like satan.
lk 21:27And then shall they see the Son of man COMING in a cloud with power and great glory.
MK 13:26And then shall they see the Son of man COMING in the clouds with great power and glory.
MATT 24:30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: ... and they shall see the Son of man COMING in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
MATT 26:“But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and COMING on the clouds of heaven.
SO IN CONTEXT ,FALLING FROM HEAVEN MEANS THE SAME AS FALLING FROM A FLIGHT OF STAIRS.NOW EXPLAIN TO ME Y ONLY IN REV 9:1 WOULD JESUS FALL IF IT IS ALWAYS USED TO DESCRIBE AN UNWILLING DECENT OF THE WICKED ONE BEING CAST OUT OF HEAVEN WITH HIS ANGELS.
i predict u woun`t anser this cos u can`t.instead u`ll ignore it.
@ammeread79 laugh zombie laugh. u know daniel there is a saying that goes "he who laughs last LAUGHS LOUDEST!!!!"
while u r laughing at urself being embarrassed by ur lack of biblical understanding everyone reading this is laughing at u cos the bible clearly shows ur lack of understanding and that u follow a PAGAN god called apollo as ur jesus.the FALLEN demon APOLLYON.
@ammeread79 KEEP IT UP DANIEL,SHOW EVERYONE THE DAMAGE THE WTS` MIND CONTROL DOES TO A PERSONS MIND.U R DOING A GREAT JOB EXPOSING THE DELLUSION THE WTS PUT U IN.
@ammeread79 U EVEN LIE ABOUT UR IDENTITY. AND U KNOW WHAT I`M GONNA MAKE MORE VIDEOS EXPOSING U DY.THEY`RE IN THE PIPELINE AND MANY JW`S R CING U FOR THE LIAR U R AND THEY R LEAVING THE WTS.
@ammeread79 lol Arnie is right! I went through the comments and ammeread79 NEVER answered the question Arnie posed to him. Yet he claims he did. I can`t understand how Jehovah's witnesses can say they have the truth if they CAN'T EVEN TELL THE TRUTH.
He also keeps claiming victory yet he did'nt even give one single verse that supports his erroneous theory that Jesus is Abaddon and that Jesus also is said to fall from heaven.It`s pretty clear who the brainwashed one is.
@ammeread79 Actually I'm TOMASSO but even if I were arnie it still doesn't change the FACT that you are DECEPTIVE cause you DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION WHEN YOU SAID YOU DID.
It also doesn't change the FACT that you are delussional in believing you won an argument you couldn't even PARTICIPATE in cause you were dodging the QUESTION! I can`t understand how Jehovah's witnesses can say they have the truth if they CAN'T EVEN TELL THE TRUTH.
@ammeread79 lets let the readers see who is being deceptive with the evedence of the posts themselves which prove YOU NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTION YET U SAID U DID. this video is about u ,dy and that is y i made it cos u r a liar.
and do u know what more and more ppl r cing ur deception and LEAVING the wts
@arnie365 What was my answer to your question ? I've told you 3 times
"Im not answering until you admit your wrong about the word fallen and show some humility "
That is my answer for the fourth time.
You are wrong about the word fallen , because nowhere in the Bible does it say fallen has to apply to Satan and the Demons, fallen can have a variety of meanings one of which is to come down freely under the influence of gravity , thats what it means at rev 9:1 (cont)
@ammeread79 my question was show me where JESUS falls not abaddon bt u r too brainwashed to understand the question.
nowhere in rev 9:1 does it suggest that it means come down freely under the influence of gravity .
all the refferences to falling from heaven reffer to being CAST or HURLED out.
lk 10:18“I saw SatanFALL like lightning from heaven.rev 12: 9 The great dragon was HURLED down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or SatanHe was HURLED to the earth, and his angels with him!.
@arnie365 The problem is you don't have the intelligence to understand my point . these are your assumptions all your doing is presenting your assumptions as facts
@ammeread79 U SAY THAT BUT I PROVIDE EVIDENCE FOR WHAT I BELIEVE FROM THE BIBLE . U SAY THAT COMING DOWN AND FALLING MEAN THE SAME THING AND R INTERCHANGEBLE YET U CAN`T EVEN GIVE ONE SINGLE VERSE THAT PROVES THAT JESUS FELL FROM HEAVEN WHICH IS WHAT U R PROGRAMMED TO BELIEVE.
I PROVIDE EVIDENCE U DON`T SO CLEARLY U R THE ONE WHO PRESENTS HIS ASSUMPTIONS AS FACT.LIKE 1919 U ASSUME IT`S FACT BT CAN`T PROVE IT AND 1914, U ASSUME IT`S TRUE YET CAN`T SHOW ME WHERE C T RUSSELL GOT IT IN THE BIBLE.
@ammeread79 U GO ROUND IN CIRCLES WITH A POINTLESS ARGUMENT AND CAN`T SHOW ME A SINGLE VERSE THAT SAYS JESUS ,NOT ABADDON FALLS FROM HEAVEN.THE BIBLE PROVES U WRONG.FALLEN IS ONLY USED FOR SATAN AND HIS DEMONS ISA 14:12 , LK 10:18
@ammeread79 " Its not a pointles argument , the facts are fallen can mean come down freely under the influence of gravity that is a fact "
PROVE IT!
i`ve proven that the bible, when talking about FALL IN CONTEXT, means the same as to FALL from a flight of stairs.u can`t prove it means what u say it does.
@ammeread79 U R WORKING FROM AN ASSUMPTION COS I`VE GIVEN MUCH EVIDENCE AND U HAVE GIVEN ME NOOOOOOOOOOOOO SCRIPTURES SUPPORTING UR ERRONEOUS BELIEF THAT FALLING FROM HEAVEN ALSO APPLIES TO JESUS.
@ammeread79 if there is nothing wrong with uy do u keep saying "Your whole argument is based on your assumption not facts" when i have presented the FACTS from the bible ie isa 14 12 and lk 10:18 and i have PROVEN beyond doubt the fallen in the bible IN CONTEXT means the same as fallen from a flight of stairs.
the one lacking intelligence is the one who can give evidence to support his "fallen can mean come down freely under the influence of gravity" ERRONEOUS theory.
@ammeread79 so will u be humble enough to admit that u r wrong and that the scriptures only apply the word fallen to beings that r disgraced or hurled out of heaven and NEVER apply to Jesus.will u be humble enough to admit that the wts is teaching a FALSE doctrine which the bible clearly contradicts.
fallen in CONTEXT applies to beings in the same sense as FALLING down stairs.will u be honest enough to admit that the wts is teaching a FALSE Jesus?
@ammeread79 ' As i said you don't have the intelligence to understand, its quite simple really"
atually i understand it PERFECTLY. u DON`T have any evidence to support ur supposision.NOT EVEN ONE!!! i have proven that fallen ONLY refferse to SATAN and the demons in the sense that some one FALL from stairs.
bt since u r MIND CONTROLED i`ll cut u some slack for considering urself intelligent
@arnie365 No you don't understand , if you understood you wouldn't keep giving me examples of where fallen applies to satan and the demons , i know all those examples and its not what i asked for
@ammeread79 i have proven without a doubt that FALLEN ONLY applies to DEMONS AND SATAN yet u have FAILED to prove that it applies to Jesus or any other obedient angel of God.
i understand 100% that u r CORNERED and u can`t defend ur theory biblically.
@ammeread79 "Youve proven nothing , where is the scripture that says fallen only applies to Satan and the Demons biblically ?
Why can you not answer this question?"
I HAVE BUT U R TO IGNORANT TO C IT. AND U HAVE FALLED TO PROVIDE ONE SINGLE VERSE THAT SAYS JESUS FALLS FROM HEAVEN. IN THE BIBLE FALLEN FROM HEAVEN ONLY APPLIES TO SATAN AND THE DEMONS THERE4 U R A FOLLOWER OF A FALSE CHRIST, A DEMON THAT FELL WITH SATAN.THAT MEANS THAT THE WTS ACTUALLY WORSHIPS LUCIFER.
@arnie365 THAT IS PROBABLY Y THEY TEACH THAT BOTH THE WTS` JESUS AND SATAN BECAME PRESENT ON EARTH IN 1914. HEY THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.WHEN SATAN WAS CAST OUT OF HEAVEN ABADDON WAS ALSO CAST OUT .THE WTS SAYS THIS HAPPENED IN 1914 THAT IS Y THEY BOTH BECAME PRESENT IN 1914
@ammeread79 never is the name JESUS ever associated with the word FALLS from heaven.matt 26: “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and COMING on the clouds of heaven.”
And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man COMING on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory
HERE R MANY MORE REFFERING TO JESUS COMING FROM HEAVEN AND U CAN`T SHOW ME EVEN ONE THAT SAYS JESUS FALLS FROM HEAVEN
@ammeread79 SO Y IS SATAN NOT SAID TO COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN IN LK 10:18?
SO IF I TELL U DON D ADAMS FELL DOWN THE STAIRS U WILL UNDERSTAND THAT HE CAME DOWN THE STAIRS?
SO ISAIAH 14:12 How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! ACTUALLY MEANS LUCIFER CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN? SO ACCORDING TO U HE IS NOT EVIL?
@ammeread79 You assume that Fallen ONLY applies to Satan and the Demons in the Bible
no i don`t assume I KNOW IT DOES AND I`VE PROVEN IT! THAT IS Y THERE MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH U COS U R IGNORING THE PROOF AND ASSUMING IT DOES`NT WITHOUT ANY SCRIPTURE TO BACK U UP.
@ammeread79 u keep ignoring my questions and keep repeating urself mindlessly.if u fall down the stairs is that the same as coming down the stairs? cos falls in the bible is used in exactly that sense that is y Jesus is NEVER said to FALL and only said to COME down from heaven
@ammeread79 biblically i`m NOT wrong bt u r.cos there is not one single verse that says JESUS fell from heaven ,NOT ONE. and i`ve proved u can`t find even one verse to back up ur theory that rev 9:1 applies to Jesus. just like 607 the wts is the ONLY fools that believe that abaddon or apollyon or APOLLO the sun god DEMON is Jesus.
@arnie365 (cont) and you can't find any scripture to prove me wrong . You claim that fallen only applies to Satan and the demons in the Bible , so you need to prove that from the scriptures , otherwise that is just your assumption
@ammeread79 LIAR! I URGE PPL READING THIS TO LOOK AT THE POSTS AND C THAT HE HAS NEVER GIVEN ME A CHRONOLOGY FOR 1919 AND HAS NEVER SHOWN THAT C T RUSSELL USED THE BIBLE TO PREDICT 1914 BT ONLY THE PAGAN PYRIMIDOLOGY.
@ammeread79 for ppl who r intressted in seeing how ALL jw`s DECIEVE ppl like u and me just as ammeread79 has just done pls watch this PRICELESS vidoe called
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES- HAVE The Truth, But They Can't TELL The Truth
The problem is your putting your own interpretation on Rev 9 , your assuming without reading context , context tells us abaddon is righteous and fallen in this case means to come down , just as the dictionary defines it .
You block me because you've lost no ifs or buts , you've lost plain and simple.
Jesus falls from heaven in Rev 9:1 thats my answer and thats the answer i'm sticking too
@ammeread79 "Its fallen as in opposite to risen or ascended .
How do i know ,context"
note how he goes on and on like a zombie without showing where in the bible it says Jesus fell from heaven.as a true MIND CONTROLLED puppet,pinochio, LOSING an argument
now i asked u a question for about a week now and i`ve asked u this question about 15 times.unless u answer this question i`m not going to discuss anything else with u.
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
@ammeread79 DY sent me a pm accusing me of blocking him. he then sends me another one saying "You've lost this argument easy , funny how when i confronted you about blocking me i could all of a sudden comment again"
so according to him i blocked him yet he could send me a pm telling me i`m blocking him.u c guys this is y the wts cult is so bad for u.it FRIES ur brain
that echo is realy out of place
eskeme22 10 months ago
@eskeme22 i was just experimenting : )
arnie365 10 months ago
You keep saying how the JWS are "covering up" the child abuse cases. First of all, they dont cover them up. Its just that we dont think its right to go tell everybody,"Oh yeah, HI!!! You know brother C? Well he is a pedophile! Ok bye!" Is that what you want us to do? We shouldnt. We should, and do, report the case to the authorities, bu do it discretely, so we dont humiliate the person for their sin. Its time to stop with the lies you just randomly beleive. What good is it doing you?
VidaPortuguesa 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa bud it`s about using psycology on the victims and diswading them from going to the authorities. look up silentlambs australia on utube and u`ll c what i`m talking about.
"We should, and do, report the case to the authorities, bu do it discretely, so we dont humiliate the person for their sin"
U KNOW THAT THIS IS NOT TRUE! THERE R VIDEOS ON UTUBE THAT PROVE THE OPPOSITE. THE WTS HAS A WICKED POLICY ON CHILD ABUSE.
TO BE CONT...
arnie365 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa ...FROM BELOW
THEY SAY THERE MUST BE 2 OR MORE WITNESSES TO AN ABUSE. THIS IS EVIL AND ALSO STUPID COS WHEN WILL ANY PAEDOPHILE EVER ABUSE A CHILD INFRONT OF ANOTHER WITNESS. WHITH THIS SATANIC STUPIDITY MANY CHILD ABUSERS GO FREE AND DON`T GET REPORTED.FOR INSTANCE IN ITALY THERE R MANY CHILD ABUSES AND NOT EVEN ONE HAS BEEN REPORTED . THIS IS EVIL!!!!
arnie365 1 year ago
@VidaPortuguesa "Its time to stop with the lies you just randomly beleive. What good is it doing you?"
OH THESE R NO LIES. THERE R MANY UTUBE VIEOS THAT PROVE WHAT I`M SAYING. JUST TYPE IN SILENTLAMBS ON UTUBE OR Watchtower organization child abuse policy (II)
AND U CAN C THAT IT IS TOTALY TRUE.
AS JESUS SAID U CAN TELL A TREE BY IT`S FRUIT AND THE WTS IS FULL OF THORNS.
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 UR VIDEO IS COMING. R U EXCITED? UR HYPOCRICY AND DECEPTION IS GOING TO BE EXPOSED JUST LIKE DEFENDINYHWH`S WAS
arnie365 1 year ago
you
truthspeaker79 1 year ago
hi
kingartoro 1 year ago
@ammeread79 it`s not rediculous at all cos if there was an italian pedophile THERE WOULD BE NO JW ELDERS PROTECTING HIM ,he would be subject to the rule of law without DECIEVING jw elder protecting him and using psycology on the victims.
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 silentlambs is about the lies and coverups in the wts ALL AROUND THE WORLD! it tells about how jw`s like urself hide pedophiles and alow them NOT to be convicted.there r thousands of abuse cases kept at the hq of the wts all around the world. in some countries they r never caught cos of the wtys 2 or more witness policy.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 Your argument is basicaly that because there are some jws that have been paedophiles then all jws are paedophiles, its a totally ridiculous argument
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 no it`s not!!! any LOGICAL person can understant that my arguement is that the wts HIDES pedophiles in the org and jw`s LIE about pedophiles in the org. there r thousands of child abuse cases in the wts and the very reason we don`t hear about them is cos ELDER LIKE URSELF HIDE THEM!!!!!!!!!
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 LET PPL READING THIS GO TO SILENTLAMBS ON YOUTUBE AND C EXACTLY HOW DAN AND HIS WTS "condemn child abuse in all it forms"
arnie365 1 year ago
I will no longer get into a debate with someone like Arnie who blatantly makes up Lies about others , he is a disgusting creature and hasn't got a clue how a normal human being let alone a christian should conduct themself
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 DON`T WORRY THE VIDEO IS COMING SHOWING U TO BE THE LIAR.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 No i have never been accused of child abuse you Liar .
Your just embarrassing yourself by your lies and false accusatioon
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 I WILL SHOW HOW U DECIEVE PPL THEN THE VIEWER WILL DECIED WHO IS THE LIAR.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 you have proved yourself to be the liar by making up some disgusting story about me and you call yourself christian
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 U CAN DENY ALL U LIKE BT GOD KNOWS! UR JUDGEMENT AWAITS. UR WTS BUDDIES CAN`T HELP U ON JUDGEMENT DAY .
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 your disgusting , making up an accusation like that about someone , your father is the Devil for he is the father of the lie , you will end up sharing in his judgement
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 ACTUALLY THE ONE WHO FOLLOWS THE DEVILS SON APOLLO THE FALLEN ABADDON IS THE THE ONE WHO FOLLOWS THE LYING DEVIL
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 of course thats your argument if its not why when i say that "i condemn child abuse in all it forms" do you argue about that statement and bring up silent lambs.
Firstly, what does silent lambs have to do with the fact that i condemn child abuse in all its forms?
Secondly , how do you know that these ones that speak out on sites such as silent lambs are telling the truth?
Lastly , our policy as jws is to condemn and report to the relevant authorities any allegation of child abuse
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 shame ,shame,shame!
"Firstly, what does silent lambs have to do with the fact that i condemn child abuse in all its forms?"
IS THAN NOT THE EXACT SUPPOSED STANCE THAT THE WTS HOLDS?
SILENTLAMBS SHOWS HOW ELDERS LIKE URSELF SAY ONE THING AND DO SOMETHING TOTALLY DIFFERENT.
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79
"Secondly , how do you know that these ones that speak out on sites such as silent lambs are telling the truth?"
THERE U GO . THIS PROVES MY POINT. U AND THE OTHER ELDERS ARE ALWAYS TWISTING THE TRUTH , HOW DO I KNOW THEY R TELLING THE TRUTH COS THE ELDERS PEDOPHILE ELDERS GET CONVICTED THAT`S HOW!!!!
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 "Lastly , our policy as jws is to condemn and report to the relevant authorities any allegation of child abuse "
LIAR! UR POLICY IS TO PROTECT THE "GOOD NAME " OF JEHOVAH`S ORGANIZATION AT ALL COSTS,THERE4 THE ABUSERS NEVER GET REPORTED AND IF THE ABUSER DENIES IT THEN THE WTS DOES NOTHING COS OF THEIR 2 OR MORE WITNESS ABUSE POLICY.
I TELL U THE TRUTH, ALL THE GUILT OF THE PEDOPHILES IN THE WTS WILL BE ON THE HEADS OF THE DECEPTIVE ELDERS ON JUDGEMENT DAY.
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 " of course thats your argument if its not why when i say that "i condemn child abuse in all it forms" do you argue about that statement and bring up silent lambs."
SILENT LAMBS DOES`NT SAY ALL JW`S R PEDOPHILES DOES IT? SO UR LOGIC IS AKIN TO A PROGRAMMED CULT MEMBER. IT SAYS THAT CHILD ABUSE HAPPENS IN THE WTS AND ELDERS LIKE URSELF HIDE IT AND PREVENT VICIMS FROM GOING TO THE AUTHORITIES COS THAT WOULD MEAN DISGRACE FOR THE WTS` "GOOD NAME".
U R GUILTY !!! AND U WILL PAY!!
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 the wts woun`t help u on judgement day.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 Your gonna end up with the rest of the liars
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 dan,dan , dan God has got a plan 4 u and saTAN. u spread ur lies that Jesus is apollyon or apollo u steal innocence, u lie day by day bt ur time will come when the true Jesus returns JESUS OF NAZERETH.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 Yeah keep on embarrassing yourself , i've never seen anyone make a bigger fool of themselves than you have
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 THE FOOL IS THE ONE WHO CAN`T SHOW ANY REFFERENCE TO JESUS FALLING FROM HEAVEN. THE FOOL IS THE ONE WHO ABUSSES CHILDREN AND THEN THINKS HE CAN GET AWAY WITH IT. THE FOOL IS THE ONE WHO BELIEVES IN DATES LIKE 1919 BT CAN`T PROVE IT FROM THE BIBLE. THE FOOL IS THE ONE WHO CALLS ABADON JESUS AFTER THE WTS USED TO CALL ABADDON SATAN. THE FOOL IS THE ONE WHO MISLEADS PPL EVERY DAY WITH THESE LIES.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 The fool is the one who has faulty reasoning and makes false accusations against others and who blatantly lies , you are the fool
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 I WILL SHOW HOW U R THE ONE WHO "BLATENTLY LIES" WHILE U ACCUSE OTHERS OF DOING SO.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 Your not even worth talking too, your so pathetic with your foolish and faulty reasoning and blatant lies and false accusations
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 don`t worry dan,God`s got a plan for u and it`s a HOT one.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 God hates liars and you have the cheek to go on about judgement day , how do you think you stand on judgement day with your blatant lies and false accusations
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 U R DANIEL FROM 2EDGESWORD RIGHT? THEN WHAT I SAY IS SPOT ON! THE LIAR WOULD BE U.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 Yes i also go by the name 2edgedsw0rd and your still a fool and a liar
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 OH I`LL BE PUTTING A VIDEO UP CHALLENGING U TO SHOW ME THAT FALLEN IN CONTEXT OF SOMEONE FALLING FROM HEAVEN MEANS ANYTHING OTHER THAT BEING CAST OUT LIKE THE DEVIL AND HIS DEMONS. THEN EVERYONE CAN C WHO THE FOOL AND THE LIAR IS.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 Your a blatant liar as well as a fool
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 of course how could i not have recognized the zombiefied answers of dan better known as 2edgesword and jahsprophecy.NO WONDER U ALWAYS THINK UR WINNING UR BRAIN HAS BEEN SO ABUSED BY THE WTS THAT IF U WERE PLAYING CHESS AND UR OPPONENT YELLS CHECK MATE U`LL PROBIBLY GET UP AND DO A VICTORY DANCE. SHAME I`LL PRAY FOR U POOR DAN.
OH AND JUST COS THE WTS DEFENDED U WITH THAT ABUSE CHARGE,IT DOES`NT MEAN U R NOT GUILTY IN THE EYES OF GOD .JUDGEMENT DAY IS COMING MY FREIND.
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 " I've never had a conversation with someone with such little intelligence "
saya someone who can`t answer a question i asked 50 TIMES and who can`t give evidence that FALLEN applies to Jesus and is sooooo BLIND that he can`t c that FALLEN is ONLY applied to SATAN!!!!
U SHOW THE TYPICAL SYMTOMS OF A MIND CONTROLED ZOMBIE OF THE WTS. U KEEP INSULTING MY INTELLIGENCE YET CAN`T PROVIDE ONE SING SCRIPTURE TO PROVE THAT FALLEN CAN AND IS APPLIED TO JESUS.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 you prove my point with every comment you make , thank you
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 and u prove what a liar u r and that u follow a FALLEN demon called APOLLO,thank u!
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 You also embarrass yourself with every comment you make , well done
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 RIGHT LETS PUT WHAT WE HAVE ON THE TABLE SHALL WE.THEN WE CAN REALLY C WHO IS EMBARRASSING THEM SELVES.
i say falling in context reffers to the uncontrolled decend to earth due to being CAST OUT of heaven.there4 it only applies to satan and his angels and NEVER to Jesus cos Jesus decends from heaven in a CONTROLLED manor deu to HIM NOT BEING CAST OUT LIKE SATAN. if my interpretation is true the bible will ONLY atribute FALLING to satan and NEVER to Jesus.
so lets c...
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 vs 1: isa 14: 12How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations!
vs 2:lk 10:18And he said unto them, I beheld Satan as lightning fall from heaven.
WILL THE READER NOTE THAT THERE IS NOT A SINGLE VERSE THAT SAYS JESUS FALLS FROM HEAVEN. LET THE READER NOTE THAT MIND CONTROL IS SO POWERFUL IN JW`S THAT IT MAKES THEM BELIEVE THEY R WINNING AN ARGUMENT WHEN ACTUALLY THEY R LOSING SOOO BAD.
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 Jesus is always said to COME down from heaven and NEVER FALL like satan.
lk 21:27And then shall they see the Son of man COMING in a cloud with power and great glory.
MK 13:26And then shall they see the Son of man COMING in the clouds with great power and glory.
MATT 24:30And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: ... and they shall see the Son of man COMING in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
TO BE CONT...
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 ...CONT
MATT 26:“But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and COMING on the clouds of heaven.
SO IN CONTEXT ,FALLING FROM HEAVEN MEANS THE SAME AS FALLING FROM A FLIGHT OF STAIRS.NOW EXPLAIN TO ME Y ONLY IN REV 9:1 WOULD JESUS FALL IF IT IS ALWAYS USED TO DESCRIBE AN UNWILLING DECENT OF THE WICKED ONE BEING CAST OUT OF HEAVEN WITH HIS ANGELS.
i predict u woun`t anser this cos u can`t.instead u`ll ignore it.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 You carry on making a fool of yourself , i find it very amusing , ive never laughed so hard
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 laugh zombie laugh. u know daniel there is a saying that goes "he who laughs last LAUGHS LOUDEST!!!!"
while u r laughing at urself being embarrassed by ur lack of biblical understanding everyone reading this is laughing at u cos the bible clearly shows ur lack of understanding and that u follow a PAGAN god called apollo as ur jesus.the FALLEN demon APOLLYON.
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 KEEP IT UP DANIEL,SHOW EVERYONE THE DAMAGE THE WTS` MIND CONTROL DOES TO A PERSONS MIND.U R DOING A GREAT JOB EXPOSING THE DELLUSION THE WTS PUT U IN.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 Thats right Arnie show everyone what a fool you are and how much you embarrass yourself
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 KEEP IT UP DANIEL ,KEEP SHOWING THE PPL THE SIDE EFFECTS OF THE WTS` MIND REFORM PROGRAME. GOOD JOB!
HEY BUT TELL ME, DO U EVER FEEL GUILTY OF WHAT U DID? HOW DO U SLEEP AT NIGHT?
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 thats right arnie keep embarrassing yourself with your faulty reasoning and false accusations
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 folks pls note the dangers of the wts` mond control programme as clearly seen in daniel here.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 Because you wont accept when your proven wrong clearly i'm ending this conversation, wheres your humility
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 LIAR! THE EVIDENCE IT THERE FOR EVERYONE TO C.U LIED ABOUT ANSWERING MY 1919 AND 1914 QUESTION. U R AN ANTICHRIST LIAR.
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 U R EXPOSED AS A LIAR.WAY SATAN!
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 U EVEN LIE ABOUT UR IDENTITY. AND U KNOW WHAT I`M GONNA MAKE MORE VIDEOS EXPOSING U DY.THEY`RE IN THE PIPELINE AND MANY JW`S R CING U FOR THE LIAR U R AND THEY R LEAVING THE WTS.
GLORY BE TO JESUS OF NAZERETH.AMEN!
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 My answer was and remains . i'm not answering until you can accept when your wrong and show some humility
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 loser! U CAN`T EVEN BE HUMBLE ENOUGH TO ADMIT U FOLLOW A FASLE PROPHET CULT WHO FALSELY TEACH 1919 AND 1914 FROM PAGANISM
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 lol Arnie is right! I went through the comments and ammeread79 NEVER answered the question Arnie posed to him. Yet he claims he did. I can`t understand how Jehovah's witnesses can say they have the truth if they CAN'T EVEN TELL THE TRUTH.
He also keeps claiming victory yet he did'nt even give one single verse that supports his erroneous theory that Jesus is Abaddon and that Jesus also is said to fall from heaven.It`s pretty clear who the brainwashed one is.
killspeed2 1 year ago
@killspeed2 The thing is i know that you are Arnie365
ammeread79 1 year ago
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killspeed2 1 year ago
@ammeread79 Actually I'm TOMASSO but even if I were arnie it still doesn't change the FACT that you are DECEPTIVE cause you DIDN'T ANSWER THE QUESTION WHEN YOU SAID YOU DID.
It also doesn't change the FACT that you are delussional in believing you won an argument you couldn't even PARTICIPATE in cause you were dodging the QUESTION! I can`t understand how Jehovah's witnesses can say they have the truth if they CAN'T EVEN TELL THE TRUTH.
killspeed2 1 year ago
@killspeed2 Your the one being deceptive Arnie .
My answer to your question Arnie is and remains
"im not answering until you admit your wrong about the word fallen and show some humility"
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 lets let the readers see who is being deceptive with the evedence of the posts themselves which prove YOU NEVER ANSWERED MY QUESTION YET U SAID U DID. this video is about u ,dy and that is y i made it cos u r a liar.
and do u know what more and more ppl r cing ur deception and LEAVING the wts
well done for exposing ur org pls keep doing so?.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 What was my answer to your question ? I've told you 3 times
"Im not answering until you admit your wrong about the word fallen and show some humility "
That is my answer for the fourth time.
You are wrong about the word fallen , because nowhere in the Bible does it say fallen has to apply to Satan and the Demons, fallen can have a variety of meanings one of which is to come down freely under the influence of gravity , thats what it means at rev 9:1 (cont)
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 my question was show me where JESUS falls not abaddon bt u r too brainwashed to understand the question.
nowhere in rev 9:1 does it suggest that it means come down freely under the influence of gravity .
all the refferences to falling from heaven reffer to being CAST or HURLED out.
lk 10:18“I saw SatanFALL like lightning from heaven.rev 12: 9 The great dragon was HURLED down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or SatanHe was HURLED to the earth, and his angels with him!.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 The problem is you don't have the intelligence to understand my point . these are your assumptions all your doing is presenting your assumptions as facts
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 U SAY THAT BUT I PROVIDE EVIDENCE FOR WHAT I BELIEVE FROM THE BIBLE . U SAY THAT COMING DOWN AND FALLING MEAN THE SAME THING AND R INTERCHANGEBLE YET U CAN`T EVEN GIVE ONE SINGLE VERSE THAT PROVES THAT JESUS FELL FROM HEAVEN WHICH IS WHAT U R PROGRAMMED TO BELIEVE.
I PROVIDE EVIDENCE U DON`T SO CLEARLY U R THE ONE WHO PRESENTS HIS ASSUMPTIONS AS FACT.LIKE 1919 U ASSUME IT`S FACT BT CAN`T PROVE IT AND 1914, U ASSUME IT`S TRUE YET CAN`T SHOW ME WHERE C T RUSSELL GOT IT IN THE BIBLE.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 that is not evidence , you are ASSUMING that fallen only applies to Satan and the Demons , that is the whole point.
Where is the scripture that says Fallen only applies to Satan and the Demons that is what you need to provide , else your working from an assumption
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 U GO ROUND IN CIRCLES WITH A POINTLESS ARGUMENT AND CAN`T SHOW ME A SINGLE VERSE THAT SAYS JESUS ,NOT ABADDON FALLS FROM HEAVEN.THE BIBLE PROVES U WRONG.FALLEN IS ONLY USED FOR SATAN AND HIS DEMONS ISA 14:12 , LK 10:18
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 Its not a pointles argument , the facts are fallen can mean come down freely under the influence of gravity that is a fact .
You say fallen applies ONLY to Satan and the Demons in the Bible , that is not a fact that is an assumption
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 " Its not a pointles argument , the facts are fallen can mean come down freely under the influence of gravity that is a fact "
PROVE IT!
i`ve proven that the bible, when talking about FALL IN CONTEXT, means the same as to FALL from a flight of stairs.u can`t prove it means what u say it does.
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 U R WORKING FROM AN ASSUMPTION COS I`VE GIVEN MUCH EVIDENCE AND U HAVE GIVEN ME NOOOOOOOOOOOOO SCRIPTURES SUPPORTING UR ERRONEOUS BELIEF THAT FALLING FROM HEAVEN ALSO APPLIES TO JESUS.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 Your whole argument is based on your assumption not facts
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 Your whole argument is based on your assumption not facts
WHAT IS WRONG WITH U
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 Theres nothing wrong with me , you lack the intelligence to understand that is the problem here
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 if there is nothing wrong with uy do u keep saying "Your whole argument is based on your assumption not facts" when i have presented the FACTS from the bible ie isa 14 12 and lk 10:18 and i have PROVEN beyond doubt the fallen in the bible IN CONTEXT means the same as fallen from a flight of stairs.
the one lacking intelligence is the one who can give evidence to support his "fallen can mean come down freely under the influence of gravity" ERRONEOUS theory.
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 so will u be humble enough to admit that u r wrong and that the scriptures only apply the word fallen to beings that r disgraced or hurled out of heaven and NEVER apply to Jesus.will u be humble enough to admit that the wts is teaching a FALSE doctrine which the bible clearly contradicts.
fallen in CONTEXT applies to beings in the same sense as FALLING down stairs.will u be honest enough to admit that the wts is teaching a FALSE Jesus?
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 As i said you don't have the intelligence to understand, its quite simple really
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 ' As i said you don't have the intelligence to understand, its quite simple really"
atually i understand it PERFECTLY. u DON`T have any evidence to support ur supposision.NOT EVEN ONE!!! i have proven that fallen ONLY refferse to SATAN and the demons in the sense that some one FALL from stairs.
bt since u r MIND CONTROLED i`ll cut u some slack for considering urself intelligent
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 No you don't understand , if you understood you wouldn't keep giving me examples of where fallen applies to satan and the demons , i know all those examples and its not what i asked for
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 i have proven without a doubt that FALLEN ONLY applies to DEMONS AND SATAN yet u have FAILED to prove that it applies to Jesus or any other obedient angel of God.
i understand 100% that u r CORNERED and u can`t defend ur theory biblically.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 Youve proven nothing , where is the scripture that says fallen only applies to Satan and the Demons biblically ?
Why can you not answer this question?
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 "Youve proven nothing , where is the scripture that says fallen only applies to Satan and the Demons biblically ?
Why can you not answer this question?"
I HAVE BUT U R TO IGNORANT TO C IT. AND U HAVE FALLED TO PROVIDE ONE SINGLE VERSE THAT SAYS JESUS FALLS FROM HEAVEN. IN THE BIBLE FALLEN FROM HEAVEN ONLY APPLIES TO SATAN AND THE DEMONS THERE4 U R A FOLLOWER OF A FALSE CHRIST, A DEMON THAT FELL WITH SATAN.THAT MEANS THAT THE WTS ACTUALLY WORSHIPS LUCIFER.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 THAT IS PROBABLY Y THEY TEACH THAT BOTH THE WTS` JESUS AND SATAN BECAME PRESENT ON EARTH IN 1914.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 THAT IS PROBABLY Y THEY TEACH THAT BOTH THE WTS` JESUS AND SATAN BECAME PRESENT ON EARTH IN 1914. HEY THAT MAKES PERFECT SENSE.WHEN SATAN WAS CAST OUT OF HEAVEN ABADDON WAS ALSO CAST OUT .THE WTS SAYS THIS HAPPENED IN 1914 THAT IS Y THEY BOTH BECAME PRESENT IN 1914
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 never is the name JESUS ever associated with the word FALLS from heaven.matt 26: “But I say to all of you: From now on you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and COMING on the clouds of heaven.”
And then all the peoples of the earth[c] will mourn when they see the Son of Man COMING on the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory
HERE R MANY MORE REFFERING TO JESUS COMING FROM HEAVEN AND U CAN`T SHOW ME EVEN ONE THAT SAYS JESUS FALLS FROM HEAVEN
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 Fallen and come down mean the same thing
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 SO Y IS SATAN NOT SAID TO COME DOWN FROM HEAVEN IN LK 10:18?
SO IF I TELL U DON D ADAMS FELL DOWN THE STAIRS U WILL UNDERSTAND THAT HE CAME DOWN THE STAIRS?
SO ISAIAH 14:12 How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! ACTUALLY MEANS LUCIFER CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN? SO ACCORDING TO U HE IS NOT EVIL?
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 I'm not arguing about it i'm telling you its your assumption until you provide that scripture
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 @ammeread79 I HAVE PROVIDED SCRIPTURES BT U R IN A TRANCE AND CAN`T UNDERSTAND WHAT I`M SHOWING U.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 The scriptures you quote do not show that fallen only applies to Satan and the Demons
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 "The scriptures you quote do not show that fallen only applies to Satan and the Demons"
yes they do isa 14: 12How art thou FALLEN from heaven, O Lucifer
when satan was cast out so were the demons that followed him rev 12:9...he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him
lk 10: 18...I beheld Satan as lightning FALL from heaven.
SINCE THE BIBLE NEVER ASSOCIATES THE WORD FALLEN WITH THE NAME JESUS IT IS QUITE OBVIOUS THAT IT ONLY APPLIES TO SATAN,DEMONS
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 You assume that Fallen ONLY applies to Satan and the Demons in the Bible
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 You assume that Fallen ONLY applies to Satan and the Demons in the Bible
no i don`t assume I KNOW IT DOES AND I`VE PROVEN IT! THAT IS Y THERE MUST BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH U COS U R IGNORING THE PROOF AND ASSUMING IT DOES`NT WITHOUT ANY SCRIPTURE TO BACK U UP.
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 u keep ignoring my questions and keep repeating urself mindlessly.if u fall down the stairs is that the same as coming down the stairs? cos falls in the bible is used in exactly that sense that is y Jesus is NEVER said to FALL and only said to COME down from heaven
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 Context determines what fallen means at any one time.
There are certain times when fallen means "to come down freely under the influence of gravity" That is a fact not an assumption
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 There are certain times when fallen means "to come down freely under the influence of gravity" That is a fact not an assumption
FACTS NEED PROOF,WHERE IS UR PROOF?
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 biblically i`m NOT wrong bt u r.cos there is not one single verse that says JESUS fell from heaven ,NOT ONE. and i`ve proved u can`t find even one verse to back up ur theory that rev 9:1 applies to Jesus. just like 607 the wts is the ONLY fools that believe that abaddon or apollyon or APOLLO the sun god DEMON is Jesus.
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 (cont) and you can't find any scripture to prove me wrong . You claim that fallen only applies to Satan and the demons in the Bible , so you need to prove that from the scriptures , otherwise that is just your assumption
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 U R CLEARLY BRAINWASHED COS U CAN`T ANSWER A QUESTION I ASK 50 TIMES COS U KNOW I`M RIGHT.U FOLLOW A BRAIN WASHING CULT
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 LIAR! I URGE PPL READING THIS TO LOOK AT THE POSTS AND C THAT HE HAS NEVER GIVEN ME A CHRONOLOGY FOR 1919 AND HAS NEVER SHOWN THAT C T RUSSELL USED THE BIBLE TO PREDICT 1914 BT ONLY THE PAGAN PYRIMIDOLOGY.
UR EXPOSED AS THE LIAR U R.
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 for ppl who r intressted in seeing how ALL jw`s DECIEVE ppl like u and me just as ammeread79 has just done pls watch this PRICELESS vidoe called
JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES- HAVE The Truth, But They Can't TELL The Truth
it`s a pearler!
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 here is ANOTHER great video exposing the wts CULT
CULT of the PUBLISHING CORPORATION IV- Ordained Ministers III
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 ur the LYING person that is proven wrong AND A LIAR
arnie365 1 year ago
The problem is your putting your own interpretation on Rev 9 , your assuming without reading context , context tells us abaddon is righteous and fallen in this case means to come down , just as the dictionary defines it .
You block me because you've lost no ifs or buts , you've lost plain and simple.
Jesus falls from heaven in Rev 9:1 thats my answer and thats the answer i'm sticking too
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 You block me because you've lost no ifs or buts , you've lost plain and simple.
Jesus falls from heaven in Rev 9:1 thats my answer and thats the answer i'm sticking too
GOOD I BLOCKED U BUT U POSTED THIS MESSAGE. U R SO STUPID.
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 16 TH TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 17 TH TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 18 TH TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 19 TH TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 20 TH TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 21 TH TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 22 TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 i'l answer when you admit your wrong about the word fallen not until
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 30 TH TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 31 ST TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 32ND TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 33RD TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 34TH TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 35TH TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 U CAN`T ANSWER CAN U ? COS U FOLLOW A CULT WHICH MAKES U BELIEVE UR WINNING WHEN UR LOSING SO BADDLY UR EMBARASSING URSELF
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 You've had my answer .
Why do you constantly jump around subjects , show humility and accept when you've been proven wrong
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 OK! U STILL HAVE`NT ANSWERED MY WEEK OLD QUESTION SO I`LL ASK U AGAIN.
for the 36th time
show me 1919 from bible chronology and c t russell used the bible to support his 1914 date which he got from paganism
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 The word fallen only applies to Satan and the Demons because you say so , thats real strong evidence right there
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 IM NOT WRONG AND I ASKED U FIRST NOW DON`T LET ME ASK U ANOTHER 30 TIMES.
FALLEN ONLY APPLIES TO DEMONS AND I`VE PROVED THAT AND U FAILED TO PROVE IT APPLIES TO JESUS SO U LOST
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 Well if you can't accept your wrong when its been so conclusively proven that you are theres no point continuing this conversation
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 for the 37th time
show me 1919 from bible chronology and c t russell used the bible to support his 1914 date which he got from paganism
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 for the 38th time
show me 1919 from bible chronology and c t russell used the bible to support his 1914 date which he got from paganism
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 for the 39th time
show me 1919 from bible chronology and c t russell used the bible to support his 1914 date which he got from paganism
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 You've had my answer
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 for the 42nd time
show me 1919 from bible chronology and c t russell used the bible to support his 1914 date which he got from paganism
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 for the 50th time
show me 1919 from bible chronology and c t russell used the bible to support his 1914 date which he got from paganism
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 for the 43rd time
show me 1919 from bible chronology and c t russell used the bible to support his 1914 date which he got from paganism
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 for the 44th time
show me 1919 from bible chronology and c t russell used the bible to support his 1914 date which he got from paganism
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 for the 45th time
show me 1919 from bible chronology and c t russell used the bible to support his 1914 date which he got from paganism
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 for the 46th time
show me 1919 from bible chronology and c t russell used the bible to support his 1914 date which he got from paganism
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 for the 47th time
show me 1919 from bible chronology and c t russell used the bible to support his 1914 date which he got from paganism
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 for the 48th time
show me 1919 from bible chronology and c t russell used the bible to support his 1914 date which he got from paganism
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 for the 49h time
show me 1919 from bible chronology and c t russell used the bible to support his 1914 date which he got from paganism
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 i ask u a question 50 times which u CAN`T ANSWER.WHAT A LOSER
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 you've had my answer . Your not humble enough to learn the truth
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 U ALSO LIE LIKE DY .IM 99,9% SURE U R DY
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 for the 40th time
show me 1919 from bible chronology and c t russell used the bible to support his 1914 date which he got from paganism
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 u r the one losing fool! i`ve asked u a question for a week.i`ve asked it to u about 40 times and u keep ignoring it
for the 41st time
show me 1919 from bible chronology and c t russell used the bible to support his 1914 date which he got from paganism
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 23 TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
Its fallen as in opposite to risen or ascended .
How do i know ,context
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 "Its fallen as in opposite to risen or ascended .
How do i know ,context"
note how he goes on and on like a zombie without showing where in the bible it says Jesus fell from heaven.as a true MIND CONTROLLED puppet,pinochio, LOSING an argument
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 Notice how Arnie can't show in the Bible where it says the word fallen only applies to Satan and the Demons
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 i have alread idiot ! lk 10:18 and rev 12!
now i asked u a question for about a week now and i`ve asked u this question about 15 times.unless u answer this question i`m not going to discuss anything else with u.
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@arnie365 Where does luke 10 and rev 12 say that this word fallen can only apply to Satan and the Demons .
The problem here is your working from your assumptions , your assuming something to be the case without no evidence
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 24 TH TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 25 TH TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 26 TH TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 27 TH TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 28 TH TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
@ammeread79 FOR THE 29 TH TIME
1919 from bible chronology and 1914 from c t russell from scripture and not ONLY paganism ie PYRAMIDOLOGY
arnie365 1 year ago
I've answered this already , problem is your like a mind controlled zombie who can't accept my answers
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 1919 and 1914 i`m waiting !!!! i 1ve asked u 14 times
arnie365 1 year ago
Yes thats right Jehovahs witnesses are given insight into Bible truths . Whereas people like you are spiritually blind
ammeread79 1 year ago
@ammeread79 DY sent me a pm accusing me of blocking him. he then sends me another one saying "You've lost this argument easy , funny how when i confronted you about blocking me i could all of a sudden comment again"
so according to him i blocked him yet he could send me a pm telling me i`m blocking him.u c guys this is y the wts cult is so bad for u.it FRIES ur brain
arnie365 1 year ago