He is so talented! I just love his soulful voice. He seems nice and true to himself too, as an artist. The ppl with him are so loud. I think he handled it well.
All you gotta do is look at me.... Three generations of my family you see ....People treat you different... When youre in between .....He was black and she was white, You know that most people thought that it wasnt right.... I can still remember what she used to say........ It dont make any difference to me
man he's sexi esp. wit his hair kinda pulled back like dat!!!! and they b askin' him to sing on the spot all the tyme and he hits it everytime! He don't need none of that studio electronic crap. Pure talent. U GOTTA GIVE HIM SOME CREDIT 4 DAT
wow hes very talented.. most of the singers cant sing that good live but hes even better live and thats truely one big difference to the others.. nice. his voice is amazing
he has got a really good voice. the downside of this live version is that he has probably taken down the song one hole step. its still really groovy though.
Okay...first...Kevin Michael is the shit...I love that song, I love the whole damn album...second....so that's the radio show Nahveen works for....I really disliked her on the Bad Girls Club
Why the hell is Neveens milk throwing behind in this video... she needs to back the hell away from Kevin Michael.. I can see the glint in her eye... DO NOT TAINT THAT POOR INNOCENT TALENTED YOUNG MAN!!!
Yea I'm feeling his sound and that Lava song is FIRE!! Oh and in regards to the petty agruments: "C'mon... its the net. Stop internet thuggin'" lol.
No seriously... you shouldn't indulge in ppls pathetic excuse to draw attention. Her comment wasn't necessary because she could have stop at "kevin's great" BUT kept going. We all know it wasn't so let's move on and get back to the music.
like i said once b4..i love kevin,think he's great,respect him and his music,think he's cute..and think he sounds gay when he speaks. if you gotta prolem with what i just said..please dont write me with stupid ass comments like hannah281 keeps doing!....thanks!
yea i can see how you think he sounds gay =) i know boys who sound EXACTLY like him from philly so maybe it's a philly thing? idk, not sure but i think it's kind of cute. ;)
PERS0NALLY....i DUNT GiV3 A FUK WUHT N3ON3 SAYZ H3 CAN SiNG HiS ASS OFF!!! AND HE LOOK GOOD 2!! AND THiS iS GOOD MUSIC..DiZ iZ MY FAVORiT3 SONG BY HiM!
mxsexxie1 - Why was it important for you to point out your shallow perception of his sexuality? Your ass is HIGHLY unlikely to get him in bed, IRREGARDLESS of his preference! When will society evolve and enjoy people for their talent and contributions and not dig for bullshit!
first of all!! how the hell u gone jugde someone u never seen!!? bitch,we on youtube! get a fuckin life!! and 2nd! there called opinions! if u cant take it,why the fuck you on here!?? now like i said! i think he's gay!......(so are you done)??!! because i am!...dueces
Girl, you had better be looking at your man (if you have one) because we all know that the A LOT of dudes hide behind hyper masculine-swagger (the thing that fools you into NOT questioning their sexuality). Black women need to get the hell out of the mind-set of thinking you can read who is gay, especially when it comes to those who have NO DIRECT IMPACT on your personal life!
mzsexxie - How in the hell you gonna judge someone YOU DON'T KNOW?! And like I've said, WHAT THE FUCK DOES HIS SEXUALITY HAVE TO DO WITH HIS TALENT? This is a young man just trying to do music! He's not here to broadcast who he wants to fuck! You're just one of those stupid ghetto chickenheads who want to keep reinforcing that one sick image of what a black male artist is supposed to be; hyper-masculine; overtly sexual and ignorant!
ANYWAY!!!! dont ever try hun! ! (ONCE AGAIN!)ITS CALLED AN OPINION! i didnt say he's gay because of the way he looks,i said when he "talks" he sounds gay! i said i get a gay vibe from him,i didnt exactly call him gay babes! so please,if you gone respond to my comments,make your statements more acurate to what im talking about! please!!! and hunny they have alot of masculine gay men,and alot of slim ones! it doesnt matter what they look like! thats why i judged on his speaking voice!...
i dont feel a gay vibe i think he iz jus bein him self and not lyk those otha niggaz.....i believe that he iz one of those ..i dont care wut n e 1 thinks bout meeh imma jus be ma self typ person... n that alone is very attractive to meeh... n he look gud, and can sing he is a 9 from a sca;e of 1-10 to meeh
ok yeah,i like him to,but i still get a gay vibe from him when he speaks! yall writn me about me sayin that isnt gonna change ntn! so why bother!? yall act like i said he's gay or something! i said i get a gay vibe from him,i didnt say he's gay litterally
bitch i respect him and his music!..that dont got shit to do with me thinking he's gay! so come back with something more logic next time,okay hunny!...
hunny,i just posted that fuckin comment not 5 minutes ago! get a fuckin life!...alright sweetie..i dont respect him,u happy?will you stop writn me now?! fuck!
chris n kevin do two diffrent types of music n create two diffrent types of vibes n i think thier both one of the best in their genres n one isnt better than the other.
i c what ur saying,but!! im sure kevin could sing all of chris brown's songs if he wanted to! but i couldnt c chris singing any of his songs because his voice is to pop! like beyonce and alicia keys,ppl are always comparing them,but bey can sing prolly all alicia's songs but alicia couldnt sing alot of bey songs bcus her voice is to jazzy! kevin has a all around voice and chris doesnt
he lost me as soon as he said beyonce
MissLav20 7 months ago
someone totaly effed up the ending by thinking he was cool and saying "FRESSHH"
musicbypac 1 year ago
i don't like the host.... he's kinda gay.
kevins awesome though
musicbypac 1 year ago
@musicbypac the host is actually STRAIGHT. your wrong! know your facts man. besides a person is either gay or straight, theres no kinda
Riiajanelle 7 months ago
DA MAAAAAAAAAN! (: xxxxx
elmoBUBs 1 year ago
this song is so awesome and i love his voice
korugal 1 year ago
6 people who dislike this dont think love has no color
LibronF 1 year ago
kids talented me and my girl enjoy his musiq keep um comin
slimboxer1 1 year ago
his fro is epiccc.
it's a shame more people don't know who he is. he's truly talented.<3
ThatNatalieGirl 1 year ago 19
man i lost this cd i need another one bad 5 stars
tytecurlz 1 year ago
ie love this clip ; your suj uh qreat sinqer
o for awesome ! :)
MsThanqThanq 2 years ago
this song is totaly dope>>> the melody is a sweet kiss too my lipz and warmth from your heart. mwahh i love you
LiiLpeAch 2 years ago
song title is no difference
RyanJosepT 2 years ago
what song is this?
YBfighting 2 years ago
This song moves me to tears... simply AMAZING.
dviss1 2 years ago
He should be more famous!!!!!!
none of my friends knows him....I'm so sad
oky0824 2 years ago 3
Anybody know when new album out?
TinoJota 2 years ago
he is just awesome, love it...
MizzyShell 2 years ago
love him... If it wasn't for T-Mobile adding this to my new G1 I would have never know about him...Genius
deucyz 2 years ago
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AsherDelenna 2 years ago
wal-mart, best-buy...but itunes is the best cause it has the bonus tracks version.
Lollipop & Too Blessed(acoustic) are a MADD MUST
-m.f.e.
AltoSupreme 2 years ago
his album is amazing...i cant believe it didnt do that good in sales. if you dont have...U NEED TO GET IT!!
JokerJ89 2 years ago
Where can i get it?
DatGhettoMa 2 years ago
He is so talented! I just love his soulful voice. He seems nice and true to himself too, as an artist. The ppl with him are so loud. I think he handled it well.
TheSongSiren 2 years ago
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Flameboy91112 2 years ago
stunning!!!
barcelonaforwin 2 years ago
one of my favorite artists right now.
JRider2804 2 years ago
i LOVE him.
ilovetolaugh24 2 years ago 2
Akil Dasan
bonleke 2 years ago
whos playing guitar and beatboxing?
raddyiscool 2 years ago
akil dasan
KBWB5 2 years ago
akil dasan
KBWB5 2 years ago
love this jam ! love it wen u play around with songs !loveit love it love it !!!! nau mai haere mai ki New Zealand / Aotaeroa ! 8P
ebozchandlez 2 years ago
Can someone please upload that song "Liquid Lava Love he has? It is amaaaaaazing I cannot find it anywhere and it is so tight.
22anavdb 2 years ago
ummmmm buy the album...its worth every penny
skateboardtotheg 2 years ago
goooood sound ,love it!
carmenittax 2 years ago
Kevin Michael has a great voice
tajmabruno 3 years ago 3
that performance was really impressive
but that interview was like what the fuck
u could tell Kevin was like why am I here
but his voice crazy sexy when he just talking, he totally handled it
romeogrant 3 years ago
All you gotta do is look at me.... Three generations of my family you see ....People treat you different... When youre in between .....He was black and she was white, You know that most people thought that it wasnt right.... I can still remember what she used to say........ It dont make any difference to me
zententzu 3 years ago
I LOVE HIM SO MUCH :))
isiwalu 3 years ago 3
Get em yo. Hollar at me.
mattthekeyzplayer 3 years ago 2
DAMN!!!!!!!!!!! THAT VOICE IS AMAZING!!!! Wow! What a great gift God has blessed you with!
SexyBaby123ABC 3 years ago 26
i love you kevein u awesome
wannapa1985 3 years ago 3
This has been flagged as spam show
stop fighting pls. make love not drama.
wow! hi :) ur REALLY cute. hit me up! i have a webcam and get naked on it all the time! LOL =) dt
Cardozo99 3 years ago
I LOVE THIS SONG.
its about time these songs were made
i friggn hate racists.
"love aint got no color" :)
aisweee 3 years ago 16
OMyGy....Kocham Kevina! Jest NIESAMOWITY! xD
niemampomyslu131 3 years ago 2
wow i love this song!!
hrswillis 3 years ago
he is cute....i dont know but kindof looks alittle like chris brown and kindof sings like him but i dont like chris i like kevin
PopPrincess714 3 years ago
wow he is cute and he -'s got talent!!! love 'em!!
ipje1 3 years ago
he is a man to lookout for and his talent speaks volumes...Thanks for the music of the soul
darrenapollo 3 years ago
he is so AMAZING!!thats all i can say!!!
blackship89 3 years ago
i love how honest he is
yagurlkeamber 3 years ago
i wonder what he will look like without his afro...hmmm...trynna get the pic in my head...hmm..nope dont got it love the hair!!!
yagurlkeamber 3 years ago
the radio guy is just a stereotype of a american idiot-radioguy..
why is he being a jackass?.. KM is amazin!
JymeRR 3 years ago
man he's sexi esp. wit his hair kinda pulled back like dat!!!! and they b askin' him to sing on the spot all the tyme and he hits it everytime! He don't need none of that studio electronic crap. Pure talent. U GOTTA GIVE HIM SOME CREDIT 4 DAT
Aquanine 3 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
no disrespect but dat foo stand like a gay guy an talk like a gay guy
dx18849 3 years ago
you are an idiot....do you say the same thing about Prince?
digivirgo 3 years ago
his sound is more of a mix of John Legend and Indie Arie not much of James Blunt. I love his voice though.
NightStalker884 3 years ago
wow hes very talented.. most of the singers cant sing that good live but hes even better live and thats truely one big difference to the others.. nice. his voice is amazing
stylophonic 3 years ago 4
he has got a really good voice. the downside of this live version is that he has probably taken down the song one hole step. its still really groovy though.
jespero93 3 years ago
kevin is amazinggg!
& the song is sickk!
the lyrics really hit home for me.
rockyyC 3 years ago
Okay...first...Kevin Michael is the shit...I love that song, I love the whole damn album...second....so that's the radio show Nahveen works for....I really disliked her on the Bad Girls Club
weirdchick216 3 years ago
OMGGG I LOVE THIS SONG!!!
picklejickle58 3 years ago
Omg This dude has an amazing talent i'm still clapping bravo! plus the lyrics are on point.
tacsavory 3 years ago
is that that girl from the bad girls club?
shortiemarv 3 years ago
yea... please don't ask why.
ajamaicanparadox1 3 years ago
hes fuckin awesome
Simoe 3 years ago 2
The Playhouse is going off the air, Jammin' 95.5 is changing to an All Sports Station!
eta77 3 years ago
Espectacular!!
Matonets 3 years ago
incredible voice
beeburt 4 years ago 5
dude is chris brown with a corbin bleu afro
Beyonce1996 4 years ago 2
What's my vid(A)
Marleenlangevoort 4 years ago
i love his voice.. Oh how it makes up for his hair do..hahaha
siharathp 4 years ago 2
i saw this a long time ago, and i've been watching bad girls club. i didn't even remember her while i was watchin the show.
njrep08 4 years ago
Why the hell is Neveens milk throwing behind in this video... she needs to back the hell away from Kevin Michael.. I can see the glint in her eye... DO NOT TAINT THAT POOR INNOCENT TALENTED YOUNG MAN!!!
ajamaicanparadox1 4 years ago 3
and she was so fake with how she was gettin in the other girls face. she waited til her girls came outside, then she started gettin hype.
njrep08 4 years ago
I'm in love with that guy !!
fougasse72 4 years ago
don't be trippin you ass he was awesome!!
peace7fan 4 years ago
Great!!! this guy sing very well!!
GrimaDedi 4 years ago 2
tha boyz voice is sick!!!!!
breona2007 4 years ago 2
I say the man with the guitar looks straight. Who's with me?
lenavanheusden 4 years ago
is that naveen from badgirls club
martaajoku1 4 years ago
same thing im wondering !!!!!!!!!!!! but i think so
GodsDaughter19 4 years ago
haha i thought i was the only
one that noticed
martaajoku1 4 years ago
he sounds great live
SKh713 4 years ago
omg i dont kno wut it iz about him, mabe it iz his personality but i lyk him.... he iz sexy 2 meeh
babyce16 4 years ago
Yea I'm feeling his sound and that Lava song is FIRE!! Oh and in regards to the petty agruments: "C'mon... its the net. Stop internet thuggin'" lol.
No seriously... you shouldn't indulge in ppls pathetic excuse to draw attention. Her comment wasn't necessary because she could have stop at "kevin's great" BUT kept going. We all know it wasn't so let's move on and get back to the music.
kkgemini86 4 years ago
like i said once b4..i love kevin,think he's great,respect him and his music,think he's cute..and think he sounds gay when he speaks. if you gotta prolem with what i just said..please dont write me with stupid ass comments like hannah281 keeps doing!....thanks!
mzsexxie1 4 years ago
yea i can see how you think he sounds gay =) i know boys who sound EXACTLY like him from philly so maybe it's a philly thing? idk, not sure but i think it's kind of cute. ;)
cbreezyskween 4 years ago
lol yeah thank you! thats all i said was that he (sounds gay) never said he was! but yeah he's cute!
mzsexxie1 4 years ago
neither do i and i have alot of
gay friends and my gaydar is good
but even if he is, the music is what
matters right??
i digg his sound and he is refreshing
he sounds like some of my friends
that are from philly
just chill and relaxed
martaajoku1 4 years ago
a STAR is born...
I love this singer, this sound, this song, the beatbox...
He's already my favorite !!!!
AMAZING !!!! WONDERFUL !!!
nzomama 4 years ago 5
DAMN ... this boy makes me wet! LOL
TaylorSiluwe 4 years ago 2
Liquid Lava Love
^ One of His best songs! Complete Extacy!
MelOhSoDivine 4 years ago
This guy is better than James Blunt.
fedroger 4 years ago 2
way better than james blunt
hannah281 4 years ago 3
omg his voice.....
i can't find words.
emmasjostedt 4 years ago
PERS0NALLY....i DUNT GiV3 A FUK WUHT N3ON3 SAYZ H3 CAN SiNG HiS ASS OFF!!! AND HE LOOK GOOD 2!! AND THiS iS GOOD MUSIC..DiZ iZ MY FAVORiT3 SONG BY HiM!
brooklynmamii92 4 years ago
He's the real thing ! Go Kevin :)
rom1tube88 4 years ago
He sings and even talks like Prince back when he first came out in the 70s. He has a cool vibe. I hope he does well.
Debonair73 4 years ago 2
dont make any difference how old u are if he was 40 singing like that ill still buy the damn cd
lamarjohnson19 4 years ago
i love the way his voice sounds, he really stands out from most people, his music realy comes from his heart
xboxfreak113 4 years ago 2
he is so sexy and i love his voice!!!! so different
riyyah09 4 years ago
Awesome... michael is so tue ! and what a voice !
rom1tube88 4 years ago
i dont get a gay vibe frome him either,he has a great voice.
Jiomybio 4 years ago 2
I don't get a gay vibe from him at all really. He is soft spoken though.
counselor26 4 years ago 2
OMG!!! My Gaydar just flew off the charts. Luv the music, but honey you have a mangina!!!
Synabunz 4 years ago
yeah,i c where u comin from,but thats just not reality
mzsexxie1 4 years ago
Sing Boy!!
Organic2010 4 years ago
DAMN HE CAN SING!...HE BAD!
JLAWS07 4 years ago
i dont get a gay vibe i think its more of a soft spoken strong but silent type thing......maybe? lol
me041787 4 years ago
ThnQ:D
Funkydelic86 4 years ago
is he gay??
canty16061986 4 years ago
canty - What the hell does him being gay have to do with his talent??? It's apparent that you are trying to find a reason to hate and discriminate.
born2sing2theworld 4 years ago
To all ya out there, Kevin's mom is from Italy, which makes the difference...
Giusi1981 4 years ago
wth r u talkin about?
mzsexxie1 4 years ago
if he's gay i would be so sad
dazedout64 4 years ago
Whats the name of this song??
I want it:P
Funkydelic86 4 years ago
It Don't Make Any Difference To Me
me041787 4 years ago
gewéldig!
xrosez 4 years ago
i know what you mean by that gay vibe...DAMN!that's a hell of a gay vibe
Soso90B 4 years ago
Thank you Kevin for sharing your blessing(voice) with us.
trashyfeet07 4 years ago
I really like that guy.
hellosuhshine19 4 years ago
He is one of the best male vocalist in the industry today!!! he's amazing!
bobofriend 4 years ago
dis dude sing better den chirs breezy LOL
llcooltj211 4 years ago 3
HE CAN SANG!!!
princess9413 4 years ago 4
he lives near me i luv his music!
ceciliaboo 4 years ago
yall he cute and talented as hell! thats obvious,but um,im kina getn a gay vibe from him when he talks!!
mzsexxie1 4 years ago
lol im getting a gay vibe from him wen he talks too!!!
breezway05 4 years ago
mxsexxie1 - Why was it important for you to point out your shallow perception of his sexuality? Your ass is HIGHLY unlikely to get him in bed, IRREGARDLESS of his preference! When will society evolve and enjoy people for their talent and contributions and not dig for bullshit!
born2sing2theworld 4 years ago 4
first of all!! how the hell u gone jugde someone u never seen!!? bitch,we on youtube! get a fuckin life!! and 2nd! there called opinions! if u cant take it,why the fuck you on here!?? now like i said! i think he's gay!......(so are you done)??!! because i am!...dueces
mzsexxie1 4 years ago
Girl, you had better be looking at your man (if you have one) because we all know that the A LOT of dudes hide behind hyper masculine-swagger (the thing that fools you into NOT questioning their sexuality). Black women need to get the hell out of the mind-set of thinking you can read who is gay, especially when it comes to those who have NO DIRECT IMPACT on your personal life!
slimsxyblkwoman 4 years ago
now if you want,you can respond to what i just said!...if not,dueces!.....(thanks yaa)
mzsexxie1 4 years ago
mzsexxie - How in the hell you gonna judge someone YOU DON'T KNOW?! And like I've said, WHAT THE FUCK DOES HIS SEXUALITY HAVE TO DO WITH HIS TALENT? This is a young man just trying to do music! He's not here to broadcast who he wants to fuck! You're just one of those stupid ghetto chickenheads who want to keep reinforcing that one sick image of what a black male artist is supposed to be; hyper-masculine; overtly sexual and ignorant!
slimsxyblkwoman 4 years ago
ANYWAY!!!! dont ever try hun! ! (ONCE AGAIN!)ITS CALLED AN OPINION! i didnt say he's gay because of the way he looks,i said when he "talks" he sounds gay! i said i get a gay vibe from him,i didnt exactly call him gay babes! so please,if you gone respond to my comments,make your statements more acurate to what im talking about! please!!! and hunny they have alot of masculine gay men,and alot of slim ones! it doesnt matter what they look like! thats why i judged on his speaking voice!...
mzsexxie1 4 years ago
i dont feel a gay vibe i think he iz jus bein him self and not lyk those otha niggaz.....i believe that he iz one of those ..i dont care wut n e 1 thinks bout meeh imma jus be ma self typ person... n that alone is very attractive to meeh... n he look gud, and can sing he is a 9 from a sca;e of 1-10 to meeh
babyce16 4 years ago
ok yeah,i like him to,but i still get a gay vibe from him when he speaks! yall writn me about me sayin that isnt gonna change ntn! so why bother!? yall act like i said he's gay or something! i said i get a gay vibe from him,i didnt say he's gay litterally
mzsexxie1 4 years ago
nasw nigga im jus sayn i think he iz sexy... its yo opinion if u think he gay or not i jus find him atractive
babyce16 4 years ago
stop saying i think he's gay. stop talking fuck and respect him
hannah281 4 years ago 3
bitch i respect him and his music!..that dont got shit to do with me thinking he's gay! so come back with something more logic next time,okay hunny!...
mzsexxie1 4 years ago
it's got everything to do with it
hannah281 4 years ago
whateva sweetie....i do not feel like sittn here and debatin something so stupid with you..so kick rocks hun.
mzsexxie1 4 years ago
i don't either it's blatantly obvious you don't respect him at all so stop pretending
hannah281 4 years ago
hunny,i just posted that fuckin comment not 5 minutes ago! get a fuckin life!...alright sweetie..i dont respect him,u happy?will you stop writn me now?! fuck!
mzsexxie1 4 years ago
and hun if i dont respect him i would say i dont respect him! this fukin youtube sweetheart! not reality tv.
mzsexxie1 4 years ago
you only just figured out that this isn't reality tv
hannah281 4 years ago
omg! sweetie...bye
mzsexxie1 4 years ago
wow that was a pretty fun argument to read :-D HAHA!
Wonderboy0987 4 years ago
a stupid ass argueent! haha
mzsexxie1 4 years ago
Thats what makes them fun :)
Wonderboy0987 4 years ago
lol if u say so
mzsexxie1 4 years ago
oh and I do :)
Wonderboy0987 4 years ago
im sorry! i know he's better! but this niga sound just like chris brown!!! they have to same tone but a different vibrata! dont lie!
breezway05 4 years ago
yea they do . .but this dude doesnt have a lisp like Chris Brown does
Intact33 4 years ago
lol yeh i kno,they have the same tone,but yeah kevin does sing better
breezway05 4 years ago
His voice is more polished and soulful than Chris though.
diamepiece 4 years ago
yeah thats true..not sayin that chris is not one one of the besty male singers,cus he is,but yeah kevin does song better
breezway05 4 years ago
chris n kevin do two diffrent types of music n create two diffrent types of vibes n i think thier both one of the best in their genres n one isnt better than the other.
miyayochick 4 years ago
i c what ur saying,but!! im sure kevin could sing all of chris brown's songs if he wanted to! but i couldnt c chris singing any of his songs because his voice is to pop! like beyonce and alicia keys,ppl are always comparing them,but bey can sing prolly all alicia's songs but alicia couldnt sing alot of bey songs bcus her voice is to jazzy! kevin has a all around voice and chris doesnt
breezway05 4 years ago
hahahaaha MAN I GUESS WE IS GON' SHARE HUH!!!!.YEA MUHHAFUGGAS!!!!.lol haha suckas lol.
sumbetty 4 years ago
I AM IN LOVE!
WITH KEVIN MICHAEL!
HIS VOICE IS AMAZING.
IT GIVES ME CHILLS UP MY SPINE.
he is my future husband suckas.
<333
reggbtch 4 years ago
He's just as wonderful live!
2klarity 4 years ago
His voice is SEXY!!!!!!!! Both is normal n singin!!!!!
GeneralTraitz 4 years ago
OMG IM IN Love with him alreadyyy hes soo talented & different
V3elloveV3 4 years ago
he's so unigue we don't have that in r&b anymore plus i love his afro
chrisdancemusicart 4 years ago 2
he is so awesome and his voice is even better live, I like his speaking voice the philly accent is cute...
MyNameMeansLove 4 years ago
i love him...i would marry him lolz
mamasboy00 4 years ago
he is very talented. He has a very unique voice
boodabutt06 4 years ago
Vicious!!!
littleyoyoM 4 years ago
PlayHOUSE!
Browork 4 years ago
wonderful!
apvcv 4 years ago
he has a wonderful voice.. :)
MimosaH15 4 years ago
f'n GREAT
xorsystem 4 years ago