MoveOn's Eli Pariser Vs. Laura Ingraham On Iraq

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who won this

[rammjet666]

@blognewb - a**hole, I am a veteran, there is nothing in my post that disparaged anyone you moronic retarded cretin.

[AntiusHerois]

@rammjet666 stfu go and die

[ofcccaddy2004]

moveon is an evil website

[gombis666]

Funny how these MoveOn people have SAID NOTHING about the continued wars in both Iraq and Afghanistan....it irritates the shit out of me that these people are partisan hacks who have done nothing since Obama has been elected. 

[glendaweil]

Liberal retard this guy not only drank the koolaid he is snorting it right out of the packet.

[peoples7785]

laura is awesome haha she hates these libs hahhaha

[LuckyPierre78]

Laura ate this guy's freakin' lunch.

[rammjet666]

move on is a fuckin joke and always will be taken as comedy done by bad comedians like this stuffed shirt fuckin idiot who thinks hes actually intelligent.

[blognewb]

@rammjet666 how dare you speak ill of the veterans who made you free today.

[scoryh]

Libs are pussies!

[migo53333]

hey!!! you know what? at the end of the day obama got elected because anyone with an open mind can see that this country is fucked up by the close-minded conservatives......thank goodness..

[scoryh]

Hang the trader!

[JonnyLawrence]

Funny how we don't hear much about Iraq these days. History hasn't been kind to Eli's argument...

[sissyfist]

History hasn't been kind to his argument how? He was absolutely right, and we would still have a high level of troops in Iraq if Bush had it his way. Thankfully Obama has and is working on withdrawing troops.

[JonnyLawrence]

wow 8 months later I get a response.....

Well sissy, the fact that Eli stated that the troops "are stuck in an unwinnable war in Iraq" haD been proven wrong since about, oh, the time Obama got into office.

Back in January, the war in Iraq was basically won. Across every region and city, violence was way down, free elections were being held, and the Sunnis and Shias were forming an alliance against outside terrorist forces from Iran.

8 months into BHO's term, violence is now on the rise...

[sissyfist]

The war was "basically won"? Well then I guess you should have grabbed an aircraft carrier and a great big mission accomplished banner.

Violence levels went down because the u.s. instituted the clear hold and build strategy (a strategy that Bush and Cheney and Rove all opposed at first but now all take credit for). This strategy is simply not sustainable for long periods of time...we just don't have the troops for it.

[JonnyLawrence]

Yes, the war was basically won. Which was exactly my original point 8 months ago. The media ignored the success in Iraq because they could no longer use it to bash Bush and all things Republican leading up to the election.

The surge worked, and it is very difficult for many on the Left to admit this. Mistakes were made as in every war, but the Iraq war WAS a success. Let's hope BHO listens to his generals and not the Cindy Sheehans of the world.

[sissyfist]

I hate Saddam as much as the next freedom loving person, but the U.S., like Saddam has never so much as apologized for the well over 100,000 Iraqi civilians it has killed since 2003.

This was and is an uneccessary war, which has devastated Iraq. Unemployment is around 50%, the percentage of people living below the poverty line is up 35%, and schools and hospitals are in complete disarray.

[JonnyLawrence]

i tried posting something else 3x and it won't go through... fuck it

[JasWarLea]

Apologize for what?? Killing people during war.. HA!! Go pickup a weapon and walk those streets, and then tell us we should apologize. They send their own kids towards us with bombs. They kill more of their own than we do, and like I said it's war. War is not PC no matter how much the politicians make it

[sissyfist]

I think you have Iraq confused with Vietnam there tiger. Anyway you raging moron, most of the civilian deaths have been caused by dropping bombs. You obviously have never fought in Iraq. Real soldiers don't spew macho bullshit about killing civilians.

[radoa1]

@sissyfist - try a million plus sunshine since the 2003 not to mention the 500,000 children dead during the UN sanctions. Thanks America. Such a nice and gentle country

[speciesofpositive]

@radoa1 I wouldnt doubt a million but I try to go with more conservative numbers for argument's sake. Either way its horrible.

[radoa1]

@speciesofpositive In a way - you right - no matter if it's 10,000, or 50,000 or 100, 000 dead - the Iraq war is a war of aggression and the ultimate war crime. But the numbers do matter in terms of truth and the magnitude of the crime. For when do we start to talk about genocide????

[JasWarLea]

It's obvious your an idiot. Taking the same troops from Iraq and putting them in Afganistan doesn't add up to withdrawing troops.

[sissyfist]

It is withdrawing troops from Iraq isn't it? You know and sending them to a country that actually has ties to terrorists responsible for 9 11?

[jimw81a]

I'm a thinking person and in no way do I think our government has committed war crimes. And I'm not a sheep either because I don't Always believe the government or home team as you out it. Don't try to put words in my mouth. All I said was moveone is FOS, something I stand by.

[jimw81a]

Interesting how the MoveOn guy cant (or wont) answer even simple questions. One thing is for sure that you can take to the bank: If it originates from MoveOn Org you can be sure its an untruth!

[rmutt4]

But how can you still be outraged about a newspaper ad when our government--clearly to any thinking person--has committed a war crime. The home team does not always make the right decision.Just because it's Amurican doesn't mean we should all blindly line up behind everything the gov. says. That's what sheep do.

[jesuschrustpizza]

Mocking someone's family name like that is so childish and disrespectful.

It distracts people from the issue.

I want to hear it from the troops, not these talking heads and pundits.

[TheGreekW]

hey wait a second.. The surge worked! Eli, you were wrong! When do you apologize!

[Samuelgagnondotcom]

you are a McCain perret

[TheGreekW]

You are an Ass!

[phxazjarhead]

Idiot.

[Shadowgeekster]

You are Hussain Obama Troll

[natebooce]

They don't have to apologise for being right, thousand's of Americans are dead based on a lie the world is no safer since the war on Iraq.

And America is in massive debt down to the massive military budget trying to fund two unnecessary wars.

[phxazjarhead]

Idiot.

Ask the troops.

Moveon.bore won't because they know the troops completely disagree with moveon.

[natebooce]

retard, the world has not benefited from these worlds whatsoever

[phxazjarhead]

Hey, ass, ask the troops who they support in this election.

The troops know better than politicians in Washington.

[BloodyRose3000]

Absolutely. People can say and complain about the war all they want, some of those complaints may be very true, but the surge did work and we do need to try to move on and build on that, not point fingers anymore.

[elfred1980]

Its great that vioelence is down, but ultimately the surge is a failure if it was part of a failed ill concieved plan. The "the surge" has worked line didnt work in the election.

[KENA429]

The whole war is based on a lie. You tube WTC 7 collapse and its an obvious controlled demolition. There were explosives in all the buildings. It was an inside job. 19 Arabs with boxcutters? Please! What a joke. Watch 911 LOOSE CHANGE and judge for yourself. Or at least see WTC 7 collapse. It only takes a minute.

[phxazjarhead]

idiot, also.

[FistOfCheese]

I think they cut her off as she said "screw you" at the end.

Although I have to respect her zealotry, she's no better than Eli. No matter what she says or what her real personality is (off camera), she comes across as a psychotic, bitter bitch.

[KENA429]

INGRAHAM is another NEOCON whore who is a fake conservative who gives lip service to social conservatives but only fights for whats sacred to her- more War for Oil and Israel. Also 911 is a lie. You tube WTC 7 collapse and its an obvious controlled demolition. Wake up.

[sebastm]

This has proven to be untrue. It makes the moveon guy look really stupid. Whether or not you think the war was the right thing to do is not the point. We are there. It is now the mainstream media belief that, although still fragile, we are doing well over there. Call it a conspiracy, but Iraqi troops taking over Anbar and 11 of the 17 provinces is more proof than a few now outdated emails.

[varghejo]

she is ann coulter wannabe

[RON9463]

LAURA is just another NEOCON fake conservative. They sucker the social conservatives in for whats really sacred to them. More WAR for OIL and ISRAEL. Now we have $4 gas, 9 trillion in debt, bankrupt and inflation for their WAR. Also 911 is a fraud. You Tube WTC 7 COLLAPSE and it looks exactly like a controlled demolition.

[krata77]

true that!

[flyers22]

MoveOn is an anti American organization. They are dangerous to our freedoms

[uqdroma]

I was wondering if they were gonna let her say a word. Personally I believe MoveOn likes to throw the baby out with the bathwater. Unwinable?? We are winning dick!

[tigeremod]

ingraham comes across as an uncivil bully in this discussion. was she even trying to bring light on the subject? eli comes across as dignified without having to be combatative to present his point of view. one must place a high regard on demeanor and critical thinking to be worthy of respect in discussions of serious topics. i have many republican heroes, but this ingraham character is an embarrisment!

[kurd55]

Killermiller-IQ-13: "do you really believe that a majority of Americans support moveon? can you be that ignorant?"

Geez, it seems neocons have cognitive problems, or at the very least hearing problems. Listen to me again, idiots. Move-On: AGAINST THE WAR. Majority of Main Steam Americans: AGAINST THE WAR. Therefore, in this case, Main Stream Americans AGREE with Move-On. Now it's your turn, show me how Main Stream Americans are so out-of-line with Move-On. Or---STFU!

[killermiller13]

Wow...this is the best moveon has...Eli Pariser? What a light weight. You know if he had a real job he would be working in an advertising company selling ads for some late night tv infomercial. What an empty suit.

[HegAndCapGood]

I think Laura forgot that she wasn't on Fox News.

[tuneitout]

what an annoying mindless bitch

[dingorex]

Yes Matt is!

[SkylineTime]

Move On does NOT represent the majority of this country. What an ass!!!

[kurd55]

Well, YOU don't know that, and a majority of Americans ARE against the war---ASS!

[SkylineTime]

Hey turd55- Moveon is not mainstream by any means. You don't know what you are talking about. I suggest your stfu! The was is a bad thing. Too bad people like Clinton, Kerry, Edwards and Kennedy all voted for it. So if you continue to vote for those hypocrites, you are an ASS too.

[kurd55]

Hey SkylineTime: Move-On IS against the war. Most Americans ARE against the war, retard. It's simply a fact. So, in this case they ARE mainstream---so live with it. Do I respect the DINO's vote for the war? No. Is any one of the people the presidential candidate amymore? No. There's time to clear the weeds out. Yer not only an ass, yer an unrealistic dumbass. Worse yet, you sound like a neocon/idiot.

[SkylineTime]

retard!!! MoveON is NOT mainstream. You have your head in the sand. Dumbass liberals like you are trying to ruin this country.

[kurd55]

Hey SkylineTime: Move-On IS against the war. Most Americans ARE against the war, retard. It's simply a fact. So, in this case they ARE mainstream---so live with it.

Do you know how to read? Do the math, fool. If you think my words are ruining this country, then you are indeed retarded---and it seems like you have insane emotional problems, as well! My goodness!

[killermiller13]

do you really believe that a majority of Americans support moveon? can you be that ignorant? do you know anything about their leader george soros? A billionaire? Hey kurd...don't be so naïve

[fpm229]

I suggest that Ingram pick up a freaking gun and go to Iraq. Dumb bitch.

[SkylineTime]

She has been to Iraq. Have you?

[theloverman3344]

bullshit, if she has been to iraq in your dream world, then I have been to Iraq and Afghanistan

[fpm229]

Ingram is simply a low-life shill for the White House. 85% of Americans believe that this country is headed in the wrong direction under Bush. Ingram is just another right wing loon disconnected from reality and totally incapable of independent thought. The Founding Fathers of America must be turning in their graves.

[SteelRain1987]

Petraeus actually saved the situation in Iraq, Bush came crawling to him to save his ass after his own neocon cronies proved that they have no idea how to run an occupation. If they listened to Petraeus back in 2003 we wouldn't be in this mess today, but they ignored his advice until things went bad in late 2006 and early 2007, then they came crawlingasking for help.

[LaMouleQuiCoule]

Petraeus doesnt care about Iraq or the army, he cares about his carrer, he is a carrerist.

[SteelRain1987]

He cares deeply about the Army and having a winning strategy in Iraq. I served in the Army, I know most Officers are self serving careerists who don't care that much about the troops, Petreaus is different, he needed him four years ago to undo the many mistakes this administration made in Iraq.

[conservativeBush]

Yeah, this bastard needs to bring this ad to some U.S. Navy SEALs and see how long a boot doesn't stay up his ass.

[luce67]

do they have brains? the one's who do and pay attention will agree with the ad. Those who don't are just puppets.

[NavySEALsd]

How many tours have you served in Iraq? Afghanistan? The Hindu Kush? So based on your extensive tours of these areas you have full credibility to accuse General Petraeus of not telling the truth?

[luce67]

As a foot soldier it does not matter how many tours you have served you as well as I have no idea what is going on. What we do know is there are conflicting accounts from various commanders and reporters. Read your history do not be a puppet. This is an illegal occupation.

[jays2474]

So anyone who disagrees with you and your point of view is a puppet?All of you keep bitching about lies,lies lies!Yet you cant prove one fucking lie.You Liberals are nothing more than a bunch of far left communist armchair quarterbacks.

[luce67]

there is proof out the wazoo. where have you been????? I love people who like to argue that have no idea what is going on. where are the "slam dunk" wmd's? Where's the proof Iraq had anything to do with the attacks of 9/11? Nowhere, because....they were lies.

[StoogeWatcher]

You're a fascist because once again, you blame Israel for all the problems of the world.

[Whoo69]

I don't particularly enjoy associating myself with fellow liberals too much because I am one of the few who employs critical thinking. I'm actually a social libertarian and something of a socialist economically, and I'm not afraid to admit it. I believe in freedom all the way, not just on 'some' issues, like both sides do. Authoritarianism of any stripe pisses me off a lot. I cannot stand bans on gay marriage or people who bitch about "secondhand smoke" and try to get private business to stop

[Whoo69]

Most liberals, it seems, like a lot of conservatives, have typical knee-jerk left-wing reactions. I don't. I think these things through carefully before I maek up my mind. Calling the general in Iraq "Betray Us", as if he's somehow unpatriotic simply for saying the surge is working, even though YOU don't agree with him, is despicable and anti-american in and of itself. You're trying to restrict free speech, all the while saying you 'support' it.

[ghordan]

yes we get it whoo[69], you are a centrist. the point of the add was to demostrate how even the military is being manipulated by the almighty hand of this administration. just imagine if this ad wasn't placed, you couldn't imagine how they would have spinned the report to make Iraq looks like a bed of roses. now we are half way in this election year and the number of death tolls and violence is on the rise again. troop surge had little to do with the initial decline in iraq...

[jays2474]

Ya see whoo,there is a big difference between the far left and a liberal such as yourself.You are a American.The far left does'nt represent anything about America.They are communist.

[Whoo69]

to sum it up, Eli Pariser is a fat, Democratic, superpartisan liberal pussy, like most liberals, unfortunately, in the US. They whine about crap that doesn't matter in the Senate, like Limbaugh's comments about "phony soldiers," which was totally taken out of context by Harry Reid and Media Matters.  We actually have people in Congress who give 2 shits what these radio pundits say, and then they submit bills or make speeches about them??? wtf? what bearing does limbaugh have on the senate?

[jays2474]

LOL,are You sure your a liberal at all?

[Whoo69]

Eli Pariser is STILL hte leader of MoveOn?? You guys in the org. let him of all people run it? Lol! I feel sorry for Democratic voters who support the organization because they're led by such a shitty one.  I mean, I used to be part of their email list, and you would not believe how stupid some of these emails were. On an almost daily basis, I'd get some stupid email telling me to "call so-and-so" and demand an apology and try to restrict their right to free speech. It's sad.

[akery516]

I love this rhetoric. WE SUPPORT THE TROOPS. But we are against every single and solitary thing that they do. Yeah, a real winner. Not even a clever rouse. Try again.

[manson48]

Well, those folks that talk to imaginary friends have no right to talk period. If your God exists call him up and have him smite the rest of us, as we work to clean up your lies.

Waiting for divine smiting.............. still waiting.........

[anwealde]

God will speak to you and you will know it's Him

[manson48]

still waiting.... funny little schizoids..heheheheheeeee

[manson48]

still waiting scizoid....

[anwealde]

Are you still waiting?

[manson48]

yeah, I'm waiting. Did you pray that your God smite me? Heheheheeee....

[anwealde]

No, I just hoped that all that time and energy you spent waiting amounted to something useful, like you being smitten

[manson48]

No, it just once again proved how worthless your imaginary friend is. Thank you for your assistance. M

[anwealde]

At least you admit that someone can prove their worth by smiting you

[jays2474]

Prove one lie asshole

[xrism]

Liberals Democrats and Fascism go hand in hand. Beside the fact that they love socialism and income redistrbution.

ACLU was started by a communist and Planned Parenthood was started by a NAZI.

And Fascism wont be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross. It will be burning a flag and urinating on a cross.

[xrism]

Roger Baldwin started the ACLU in the 1920's and was a pronounced fan of Joseph Stalin.

Planned Parenthood was started by Margarate Sanger under the guide of Adolph Hitler.

Liberals cant get enough of these two orginizations. The need them both for self gratification and convenience.

[radiolaugh]

@xrism yes and when obamas presidency is over, and america is still great, are u going to apologize for making it seem like the liberals are going to take this country down the drain into communism, socislism, and marxism ?

[xrism]

No terrorists? And there are no imbeciles other than the ones Liberal Democrats keep creating. I suppose 9/11 was an inside job too? Have you seen Elvis on any of the UFOs you've been on.? Or do you just believe this way because the governments mind control through your Ipod and cell phone.

[truthforamerica]

Moveon should be ashamed of being against the defense of this country. They would like to play patticake with the terrorists instead of keeping Americans safe.

[mw2000]

There are no "terrorists". (Other than the ones Republicans keep creating. Regan radicalised and armed Afghanistan and Iraq oppose Russia remember). You invaded a country in Iraq that posed no threat and had never once in its six thousand year history made unprovoked, aggressive action towards Europe of the United States. There can be no "victory" in Iraq because you don't even know what "victory" you're seeking.

Oh, and Laura Ingrham is such a cunt.

[clarisd]

Laura Ingraham is such the mouth for this, she is so full of and up the arse of the establishment. See Freedom to Fascism and know the real truth, follow the money and know that the Fed a private bank is realy in charge...

[A7Xskier]

do we really need to be so worked up about a FUCKING NEWSPAPER AD?! is it that important? the senate voted to "condemn" it? WHAT THE FUCK DOES THAT ACCOMPLISH? why are they wasting their time with this shit and get something done?

[beingisbecoming4]

Petraeus is a traitor. That's right, I said it. He is simply a puppet for the anti-American Bush regime.

Wake up!

[beingisbecoming4]

Laura Ingraham is a very dumb person. No educated man could ever take her seriously.

[gabecollett]

does matt lauer still like TOm cruise?

[SCOBMAN]

MOVEON ORG'S JOB IS TO spin the BS, They support hillary, hillary says no troops out of iraq until 2013 now.

WAKE UP

[davidmarinegold]

I hate Matt Laurer. He is a liberal hack. It is so obvious to see the bias in this video of NBC.

He treated Laura as a side note.

[ilovecapitalism]

Eli is a TOOL. Laura whipped his ass LOL LOL LOL

Hey Eli, why don't you get some tv training before you make a COMPLETE fool of yourself!

[SCOBMAN]

Eli's voice sure does sound familiar on all those -911 jews did it videos-

Coincidence?

COINTELPRO

[lreinhardt]

Somebody was cranky that she had to go on tv and argue for the war.

[tonyp74]

Keep insulting Patreaus like you keep insulting any General who doesn't agree with you Laura (Wesley Clark, Colin Powel, etc, etc)

[fpm229]

Wow, another cry baby neocon nazi in a skirt. Who's worse - Ingraham or Coulter? Or are they one and the same?

[P121463S]

you rock Laura!!!!

[049765]

That was a stupid suggestion!"Why don't you go to Iraq and say what your saying about Petraeus to the troops and see what kind of response you'll get." The troops can't give their true opinions about one of their superiors officers in Iraq. They know they'll be put on a military shitlist asap. They'll be condemned and castigated. They know they'll be thought of as traitors! Ingraham=Coulter lite.

[unapologeticonservtv]

GO LAURA!!! She didn't need to expose that tool as a fool, he's doing a great job looking like he's full of crap. He's like a Jr. High kid happy he wrote something dirty on the bathroom wall and got away with it. Now, if only he can tie it in with all the insane liberal democrats and make it seem like they all are nuts, even the weakest Republican nominee can waltz into the White House.....yes, even a Republican nut like Ron Paul.

[jj35744]

"GO LAURA" who's in jr. high.

[cungar]

Somebody needs to stuff a sock into that scummy bitches maw.

[killermiller13]

did you think that eli was brilliant? do you speak about women this way when you don't agree with them? you seem like a typical liberal...ignorant, hateful, hypocrite and shallow.

[VinceP1974]

Great job Laura even though the Leftists only gave you about one minute to speak.

[tgmurphy626]

yeah yeah we support the troups. they done all the could to put them down. i wish we could bring back seddetion.

[sealhands]

shes worse than anne coulter