Rape and sexual abuse has less to do with sexual urges than it does with power and control. That's a fact. Castration might help in some cases, but that isn't the place for the government to decide. Jail is not an option, as far as I am concerned, because there are too many people in prison already. I like the idea of isolation or banishment. There are lots of places in this world that are inhospitable for normal people to live together. Let's send these guys there!
Chemical castration is worse than physical. The testicles produce most of the hormones, true, but not all of them. Chemical castration both stops that from the testicles and the other parts of the body that produces them.
i saw if there some are willing to try it..it could be something given as an option to them...give it a shot..although there is obviously more wrong then a high sex drive in those guys minds.. they have some type of a severe mental illness.. people take depression drugs & its not like your cutting off there balls. but really i agree with tyt that we should be harder on some sex offenders as it is.
What's the point in doing this, it don't prevent the rape-kills or drama caused by the act, I still like the shock collar that shocks the offender every time he gets a boner
Well apparently the french penal code, which is according to cenk too soft, produces a lot better results than the hardliner american one. Just check the crime rates of those 2 countries....
I think it really depends on what one views the prisons system to be for. If its just punishment then giving life in jail for crimes seems like no big deal, but if you view prison as a three part solutions, punishment, reformation and protecting society, its not always in societies best interest to give people life in jail.
On chemical castration, under any circumstance, I think its inhuman.
First of all, i think if you do the crime, you should do the time. No sentence reduction should be given what so ever. However, I think on the issue of chemical castration it would help the urges that these sick freaks get. So therefor, after they did like 15-20 years or whatever, Getting a chemical castration would be wise to get if they really want a change in their behavior.
@medaa25." Pedophilia is indeed a fetish and I am going to be controversial here but I am sure lots of men have had sexual thought looking at teenage girls"
---So wrong in so many ways.
1: It's a mental disorder. NOT a fetish.
2: Teenage girls is NOT paedophilia. That's ephebophilia (which is considered a fetish). Paedophilia is sexual attraction to pre-pubescent girls. World of difference.
You are correct on point and 2, but to my knowledge, ephebophilia is not considered a "fetish" in psychology, but instead a normal part of our selves. It can however, become a "fetish", in that the individual becomes normalized to sexual fantasies where the subject(s) of these fantasies are pubertal.
I thought fetishes were defined as being sexual attracted to something that isn't naturally sexual. Like a foot fetish, or an object fetish, or yes, prepubescent adolescent.
ephebophilia is not a "fetish" by default, as long as the teen is biologically functional. Homosexuality could be said to be a fetish, by the same logic. Fetish is used in a popular sense when objects are involved in a sexual act and that the subject needs it to reach a certain level of sexual stimuli.
However, the word "fetish" seems to be different in many dictionaries.
yeah, some stuff may not be considered a fetish but it still falss uner the umbrella of a Paraphilia, which just means any sort of sexual deviancy. But also homosexuality isn't considered abnormal anymore in american psychology so yeah.
Yes, I agree. The word paraphilia makes all the sense in the world in this respect.
I consider homosexuality an abnormality. Note that I am a homosexual, and that I do not see abnormality as wrong unless the abnormality causes direct reduction of another individuals "free will". Abnormal simple means "not the normality".
Homosexuality is natural. However, to be the normality, the highest procentage of sexual activity has to be homosexual. For intance, mastrubation is natural and normal. Also, one could make the case that pedophilia is natural (it occurs in other primate species). Murder and rape is also natural. That something is natural or not, does not mean anything morally.
You are correct in pointing out that the word fetish is misdefined.
I prefer using the phrase ''fringe sexuality'' to describe statistically abnormal forms of sexuality.
This is purely a descriptive term and does not make a distinction due to social acceptances. i.e. homosexuality and foot fetishim are lumped in with undesirable traits like pedophilia and ephebophilia
This is an objective way to describe sexuality without specially pleading that pedophilia is a disorder and not a fetish
You are invoking the fallacy of special pleading. All forms of fringe sexuality must be defined in the same way; i.e. either as fetishes (which they are) or as disorders (erroneously).
If you claim that pedophilia is caused by faulty thinking and is therefore a disorder then one can just as easily claim that foot fetishism and homosexuality are caused by faulty thinking and are therefore disorders (which they clearly are not).
Well it may not be a fetish (refering to ephebophilia), but what it is NOT is a mental health condition, whereas paedophilia is (it's in the DSM-IV). Paedophilia is 'faulty thinking', and is far more complex than 'foot fetish', and I never claimed that paedophilia was a fetish.
And, if you missed it at the start, I'm a psych nurse that works with (among others) paedophiles.
You are invoking an argument from authority. The DSM-IV is at fault, just like it's previous incarnations that classified homosexuality as a mental disorder were.
Either ALL forms of sexuality are fetishes, or ALL are faulty thinking. You cannot claim that every paraphilia is a fetish and pedophilia alone is a mental disorder. That is assinine.
Why should I accept this? Because YOU say I should? Don't patronise me.
You've only got 1/2 the facts. The reason paedophilia (as opposed to a foot fetish) is considered a mental disorder is simple. It's attraction to prepubescents (non sexually active people).
Foot fetish is a sexual 'preference', but they are still attracted to adults and have sex with adults. So to any other philia. Ephebophilia isn't a mental disorder because, biologically, they are attracted to people that can reproduce.
This is also why homosexuality was originally in the DSM, because it was a 'non biological' disorder.
However society has moved on (correctly) and realise that there is nothing ethically or morally incorrect with homosexuality.
There is, however, a problem with paedophilia, and paedophiles that come into hospital are 'taught' to control their urges, and to avoid triggers, and so on.
Why are you so angry about all this? Why are you attacking me?
In fact, it is so complex and diverse I often ask myself why psychologists don't get up off their lazy asses to educate people on the subject.
Then maybe more emergent pedophiles would seek help *before* their years of stewing in their own thoughts and subsequent molestation
You in the psychological community are guilty of negligence. We in the evolutionary community are constantly raising public awareness of our science, why aren't you?
Well, because fighting against language is indeed a hard battle.
Let me examplify; the word "theory".
"Evolution is just a theory".
We have both heard it, and we both know it is utterly wrong in a scientific setting to say "just a theory". One could say "just a hypothesis that is not a theory" but not about evolution.
We need to realize that without propper education for all there is no way to educate a close minded mass on scientific language.
Fair go bud, I do it all the time, but I'm not a millionaire that owns a television channel. And furthermore, do you really think that 'news' (corporate) will allow people on to say that. What would happen to the person, they'd be hounded and treated as a paedophile themselves.
What more would you have a psych nurse (not a psychologist) do?
Oh and as for evolution, you've still got a lot of people that don't agree with it as well.
Justice dispensed by the state should be seen as a deterrent, not as punishment as Cenk seems to be suggesting. You cross into vengeance when you look at it as 'get them sonnuvabitches'.
4: As for "why do they let them out". In a nutshell, not enough beds. If you have a 20bed ward, than 3 more, that's 80 total beds. If you have 81 patients, you need to 'release' the most rehabilitated onto a Community Treatment Order. There has been people released on CTOs that re-offend.
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For the record, many child rapists are child rape victims themselves, and many wish weren't that way. I'm not saying their 'innocent', but it is worth knowing.
bersaba That was some very clear and accurate info. Thanks. I do believe it is unconfirmed through a study regarding reversal. My understanding is that after 3years there are no gaurantees either way. Please correct me if I am wrong
The drug effects ability to perform as well as sex drive. It starts as a 1/mnth injection and progresses to a 1x/3months. There are a few side effects but most can be combatted with vitamin supplements. Mine is called Lupron but there are other brands that are used like deprovera
anna and cenk live in a dream world. Yeah, throw him in prison for 40 years! Ok that would cost 1 m dollars. ==OR== give him 200 dollars worth of chemicals. I wouldn't want anna or cenk to balance my cheque book. You guys suck.
I saw a very interesting documentary by Louis Theroux on this. The subjects were repeat child rapists that had served their time under the law, and are now being held indefinitely at a detention facility in California after being deemed too dangerous to release. The only real way to be released is to honestly identify themselves as pedophiles and agree to chemical castration. I'm utterly disgusted by pedophiles, but some very interesting human rights issues were raised surrounding the facility.
Wasting someone's life in a cell for life seems inhumane. There's no point in that forced life. But death is worst because the little life, he has, is taken in an instant. I say " 7 years" maximum per offense. Fuck. You. If you mention anything about the victims feelings. The law is fair and blind, so the victims are marginalized in any case.
I think a fair compromise would be to give them long jail sentences, and offer the alternative of serving half of their sentence if they consent to castration.
I don't think it should be forced, but I'm willing to bet most of them would consent if given that offer.
I was going to write something similar. I believe that your First offence should come with a hefty prison sentence followed by many years of probation to monitor you and your second would be life with no chance of parole unless you consent to chemical castration and even then you aren't guaranteed parole and can't apply until after serving at least twelve years.
Doctors make the decision to "chemically castrate" male mental health patients with sexual issues/urges/thoughts all the time
"chemical castration" such as an injection of depo-provera (birth control) which lasts for 3 months, all the concern over not being able to reverse things seems ridiculous - no chemical can take away sexual urges forever. Also I think if someone is asking for help, and it can be provided through something as simple as a medication or "chemical" OF COURSE we should do it
what if the person in question turned out to be innocent? The government would be facing a huge lawsuit. Not only that but in what way do you define rape? As in having sex with say a sixteen year old who was lets say had a fake id that said she was 21 and was able to get into a bar and you ended up having sex with her. Bam your a rapist lets casterate him right away. But wait a minute it was CONSESUAL. She wanted it.
Rapists should get castrated first offense. Period. Although, only those 100% proven that it was an actual rape, none of that he-said, she-said and statutory crap. Actual, physical force rape IS INHUMANE, hence they get balls chopped off.
Fucking right a prison with TV.,phone,visits,weight lifting room,three square meals a day and as much homo sex as he can enjoy.Yeah that will teach that pervert a lesson.Fuck that let the victims father have five minutes with that pig.CASE CLOSED!!!
Can't do it. There has to be a failsafe incase we find out later that the prisoner is not guilty. In the US, a large number of people have been sentence to death, later new evidence show that they where not guily. That is not an option. As such, there cannot be any torture or paermnanent damage to the individual, only permanent imprisonment is an option.
The animal in the TYT admitted he did it.When you say a large number of people who are not guilty you must remember many cases are over turned on technicalities.Yes some have been overturned with DNA evidence that proves a person not guilty.However I don't know what that percentage is.
Never trust the person you are looking at as a possible suspect. There is a number of ways a person may say he has done something he has not done. One may argue that thats their problem, but if one thinks oner has the criminal it is an obvious problem as the actual criminal is at large. Also, it is a psychological issue.
On the topic; I am Norwegian. We have removed the death penalty, even in the case of war. We have low crime rates, so we tend towards believing this is funtional.
The death penalty in society was removed a long time ago. The last death sentence was in 1948, but it was removed from the law in 1979. However, it was in theory possible to be sentence to death during war. This is now removed as well.
The answer is certainly yes; from 1948 until 79 crimerates dropped dramatically on crimes that would prior to 48 casuse the death penalty. In 48 death penalty became a "sleeping law" until its removal. However, keep in mind that our ...
... economical situation on an individual basis has, since '48, rissen from rather low to one of the highest in the world. It is obvious that we are not looking at causation, rather correlation.
If your that long in prison you become insitutionalised and surviving in society is much harder then living in prison, so the tendancy to cimmit a crime to go back to jail is high.
If there is anyone to blaim its the goverment for making these people even bigger monsters and then setting them free in society again.
I could go on and on about how prisons really serve only as a shortterm solution but make things so much more problematic in society in the long run.
I agree in theory to your comment. I think jail is appropriate but first needs to be run more like how we would expect those people to behave in society. Then, for all crimes I believe there needs to be intense treatment to "break" the deviant and relearn better thinking processes. Then optional chemical castration. followed by routine therapy while on a long parole/probation.
Why not give a choice between life between bars or less time with castration. If you consider castration torture, you could also argue that life time imprisonment is torture. The goal is to protect society.
Also, the chemical stops the URGE for sexual activity. He's not gonna miss it. There will be just no testosterone if he sees little children or females in general.
He's gonna be sexually like 90 years old (impotent usually). Could be even quite fulfilling.
Is it torture or is it akin to giving a cripple a wheelchail? Chemical castration removes the drive therefor giving the deviant control over urges which in the past had been a detrement to him living a successful offence free life.
Problem is Cenk "rest of your life sentences" sound great but the cost... the space.... people are living longer and longer. Particularity in prisons where people do little and get full medical.
Chemical castration changes someone less I argue than being in a slammer for 40years and that's even if you don't get your ass drilled out. 40yrs inside makes someone institutionalised. The rate of technology progress these days makes people absolutely alien on the outside.
I say yes to it. Not only because sexual offenders are cunts but because this is supposed to be for *repeat* offenders. Though I'd much rather have them physically castrated..
GGG, firstly, where is this program Obama installed to give taxpayer funds to potheads?
Secondly, don't you find it a little disingenuous to call it Obama's govt takeover? He isn't writing any legislation himself, and what legislation there is is about insurance payments, not health care. Don't you think it would be more helpful if you could actually elucidate what you are really opposed to? Any informed citizen should be able to.
And East Germany was an extremely safe place to live with very low crime. Safety and security=a loss of freedom and social repression where even questioning becomes a crime. I'd rather be a little less safe given those choices.
As a transsexual, I AM chemically castrated. If this asshole actually wanted to - he could buy spiro or depo online and do it himself. He's just being a worthless shitbag.
The drugs he would take are all over the internet for trans-people, and are super cheap. This is just a lie to get less punishment.
I agree plus, if he truely meant it he would have had it done already. An appointment at a mental health place, a bone densiy scan and then the needle in the ass. He could have arranged it. there is no need for the court to hear it. He just wants a small pity party so they will be nicer. Screw that.
Castrate this French bastard and stick him in jail for life. The only reason why Francis Evrard has been given leniency is because the victim that was drugged and rapped was a 5 year old Muslim boy.
The reasons for offending are as varied as the offenders are. True anger and control play a part but so do many other things. Chemical castration works.
I beleive in incarceration followed by treatment and then chemical castration. Just so your aware, all jail does in show an offender how to continue being a criminal and how to be violent. Jail doesn't help them perform better in society. A punishment is needed, sure but is that how you want them released?
Punishment as retribution, or retributive punishment is the most primitive reason for punishing people. IAs far as I know, it is prevalent in the american justice system. Europe, not so much.
When we deal with repetative offenders, society needs to protect itself. Some sort of custodial sentence is approriate. The offender should be evaluated by relevant experts as to the possibility for him/her be set free at a later date.
Child molestors have emotional problems. I personaly would call a serial killer to be the worst of the worst. Why is it when sex is involved it becomes over the top.?
Thats because society has a child fetish, that it is secretly ashamed of and lashes it out on sex offenders via the tabloid press.
We love our popstars younger and younger and start hounding them for sexy pix from 14(miley cyrus?) We manufacture knee high boots and mini skirts for 8yr olds.
I believe it's the destruction of an irreplacable innocence that fuels such hate. Sexual offenders destroy that and a child is left to comprehend and manage the pain from the offenders actions.
Just life imprisonment, even on the 1st offense if it's bad enough. Sex offenders recommit offenses even more than murderers. Put them away for life. People can get around taking drugs. If they are in prison then you can do chemical castration too if you want.
GGG - you're also a proponent of the free market system without regulations or bailouts? so you're ok with tax dollars going toward the health insurance industry, Blackwater/KBR and banks etc.?
So? When the government starts imprisoning people, what will that lead to? What is a person's "humanity"? Certain men are sterile, and is being free, out of prison, not part of one's humanity? Cenk's views on imprisonment are a bit too punitive methinks.
"drug dealers and communists are in the same category as child rapists." ROFL. Dude, you have one fucked up perspective of life you know that. Communism isn't an evil political system. It's the people in power who are evil. Drug dealers aren't evil people. I'm not saying all of them aren't pieces of shit, but alot of the ones I know hold 3 jobs and have to sell Hemp just to make it by. I'm sorry, but the world just is not sorted into black and white like that.
LOL yes it is. Feminism has caused this sort of warped thinking i.e. saying rape has nothing to do with sex. Paedophilia is a sexual fetish like any other, though in terms of its relation to the external world it's clearly unacceptable.
Feminism has caused this sort of warped thinking? I did not know that.
Where did you do your research? Have you published any of these findings yet? I'd love to read more on this very interesting thesis of yours. Unless you just made up some bullshit. But no, that would be embarrassing, theres no way you did that.
The behaviour is very much about sexuality although there are so many other elements involved. Chemical castration reduces/removes sexual drive. So, even if a deviant thought were to appear, the offender would not be motivated to offend since there is no sexual drive. If that makes any sence.....
sorry... a summamabitch that raped my 5 year old, they better lock him up for life, because I'D kill him by cutting his balls off. *hand cleaning gesture*
People have odd appetites for acting on one another. First day, first grade, my life: the teacher decided i was either a Nazi or came from Nazis. She decided to tell me i should either be gone or dead, and run out of the country. Why? Freedom... for freedom. Yikes huh? Pretty bad, who knows how much a child can be ruined in that "acceptable public" environment. The witch burners are of course correct by virtue of position, status, and loyalty to "God", or arm waving goodness.
People alter the crap out of each other every day. Basically it is the leaders or sinners who like to do the judging. If you could just shut down a person's brain every time they want to act on someone else it would be a good way to go forward. Molestation is a "status action" inasmuch they feel as if they will get away with it or have "authority" to get away with it. Mostly it's a "who's closer to God contest", and the getting away with it part is critical to "who gets to do what to whom".
Cenk: It is not the state making the decision if the person has requested it. If it would be illegal for a doctor to chemically castrate a patient upon request, then currently the government is making the decision, not private parties.
Oh my god what the hell is wrong with everyone in this planet?! Taking away his humanity?!! What the hell kind of humanity does a "person" who is willing to rape a child have?! Hell ya castrate the son of a bitch!
I disagree with your findings. Since I am chemically castrated I can speak from experience when I tell you it does change drive and ability. What do you think it is that testosterone does in a male body? I can't speak for female but I would guess there is something.
p.s. not all pedophiles are sociopaths. I met many who were narcesistic however. But I also met several who appeared to be niether of those. It's more complex than a simple label.
I know that not all pedosexuals are sociopathic. One of the main problems that I have with western society is that it is ''paedohysteric'', that is, we have a very hyped up perception of what pedophilia is. It is a very understudied sexuality and that is reflected in our perception that every pedophile/ephebophile is a sociopath.
I added the qualifier ''sociopathic'' to describe the subset of pedosexuals who are very dangerous, not the rest.
A main point you didn't get, Cenk, is that chemical castration is TEMPORARY. It's not like cutting off their balls. It is maintained. So you wouldn't end up permantently castrating people who later turn out to have been innocent.
As emotionally fulfilling as that may be, you're sliding into Saudi Arabian justice with statements like that. I'm not sure I'm comfortable living in a country that celebrates bloody vengeance like that.
How much does it cost to give the next child victim back his or her childhood when chemical castration does not stop someone like this from committing another crime?
If life is what it takes then society needs to be ready to foot the bill to preserve justice and the safety of its citizens.
My first thought is that there are chemicals in the gunpowder behind a bullet. But what to do with the human filth? When I think of my tax dollars being spent on prisons, this kind of crime is on my top ten. A more ironic comment is that France is considering what Hitler Germany did to their whack jobs. Social Darwinism at work? Scary if the natural course of human events evolves with chemicals being used as a method to control its populations.
Your stupid rerwriting of history would be funny except you don't understand what you're doing. The Nazi's copied their eugenics program from the fascist US.
the eugenics movement in America started with the early 20th century progressives!!!
Hitler's Nazi party adopted the name, "National Socialist Workers party"- 2 key words here are "socialist"aka leftist and "workers"! far right conservatism doesn't embrace socialism! progressives believe in ongoing change for the better, nothing represented "change" more than Fascism!!
read Jonah Goldberg's, "Liberal Fascism" and wise up you snotty pric
Rape and sexual abuse has less to do with sexual urges than it does with power and control. That's a fact. Castration might help in some cases, but that isn't the place for the government to decide. Jail is not an option, as far as I am concerned, because there are too many people in prison already. I like the idea of isolation or banishment. There are lots of places in this world that are inhospitable for normal people to live together. Let's send these guys there!
sj145sunny 7 months ago
they need to keep there hands of are balls
romanrancid 1 year ago
no way they should not
romanrancid 1 year ago
keep him in jail for the rest of his life isolated,and let the bastard shag him self to death.
drdukeful 1 year ago
what the horse shit does she mean "repeat" the very first time is when they should get castrated
blurock29 1 year ago
Chemical Castration only in case where the guilty party asks for it.
17R3W 1 year ago
yeah he deserves it
clifgreen3 1 year ago
Chemical castration is worse than physical. The testicles produce most of the hormones, true, but not all of them. Chemical castration both stops that from the testicles and the other parts of the body that produces them.
Hotshotter3000 2 years ago
I dont buy it in the least. weak sauce argument.
Forget chemical castration. It should be real castration.
And i don't mean in a backroom with a dirty knife lol.
I mean the guy cause in surgery, gets anasthetic, has his testicles snipped.
No more sexual urges
The guy can walk around, play sports, go to the park, watch tv, do all the things free people can do. But his boning sex ability is gone.
How is that "taking away his humanity", but locking him up for life isnt?
Eye0fTheStorm 2 years ago 6
you don't have a balls then .
backtublive 2 years ago
i saw if there some are willing to try it..it could be something given as an option to them...give it a shot..although there is obviously more wrong then a high sex drive in those guys minds.. they have some type of a severe mental illness.. people take depression drugs & its not like your cutting off there balls. but really i agree with tyt that we should be harder on some sex offenders as it is.
freshblooms 2 years ago
life in max-security is cruel and unusual and a waste of state money. all "life sentence" should be replaced with "nitrogen asphyxiation(execution)"
Kalahridudex 2 years ago
@Kalahridudex well shit i hope noone finds you over a dead body any time soon.
Antisocialnerd2 2 years ago
What's the point in doing this, it don't prevent the rape-kills or drama caused by the act, I still like the shock collar that shocks the offender every time he gets a boner
Omega231984 2 years ago
Well apparently the french penal code, which is according to cenk too soft, produces a lot better results than the hardliner american one. Just check the crime rates of those 2 countries....
NonDeUn 2 years ago
Convicted of multiple child molestations..... his BALLS should be castrated literally and sentenced to life. He can be a prison bitch.
CosmicScout 2 years ago
What is worse is when non-pedophiles are labelled as pedophiles because of misguided prejudice and innaccurate laws.
For example when 16,17 and 18 year old lads are placed on the sex offenders register for having sex with their 15 year old girlfriend.
These people are clearly not pedophiles, and it detracts from true accounts of pedophilia.
Its the same as calling ''racist!'' everytime a black person gets sacked from a job or is mugged or something.
TheProf1988 2 years ago
Its difficult.
I think it really depends on what one views the prisons system to be for. If its just punishment then giving life in jail for crimes seems like no big deal, but if you view prison as a three part solutions, punishment, reformation and protecting society, its not always in societies best interest to give people life in jail.
On chemical castration, under any circumstance, I think its inhuman.
Lobos222 2 years ago
First of all, i think if you do the crime, you should do the time. No sentence reduction should be given what so ever. However, I think on the issue of chemical castration it would help the urges that these sick freaks get. So therefor, after they did like 15-20 years or whatever, Getting a chemical castration would be wise to get if they really want a change in their behavior.
blacklite911 2 years ago
4:30 - France's penal code?
...tee hee...considering the topic =)
TheBackOfTheBoat 2 years ago
Either way, castration does not stop the behaviors because they are mentally motivated. Jail for life.
julian7650 2 years ago
@medaa25." Pedophilia is indeed a fetish and I am going to be controversial here but I am sure lots of men have had sexual thought looking at teenage girls"
---So wrong in so many ways.
1: It's a mental disorder. NOT a fetish.
2: Teenage girls is NOT paedophilia. That's ephebophilia (which is considered a fetish). Paedophilia is sexual attraction to pre-pubescent girls. World of difference.
bersaba 2 years ago
Hi.
You are correct on point and 2, but to my knowledge, ephebophilia is not considered a "fetish" in psychology, but instead a normal part of our selves. It can however, become a "fetish", in that the individual becomes normalized to sexual fantasies where the subject(s) of these fantasies are pubertal.
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
I thought fetishes were defined as being sexual attracted to something that isn't naturally sexual. Like a foot fetish, or an object fetish, or yes, prepubescent adolescent.
blacklite911 2 years ago
Yes, but the term "fetish" is problematic.
ephebophilia is not a "fetish" by default, as long as the teen is biologically functional. Homosexuality could be said to be a fetish, by the same logic. Fetish is used in a popular sense when objects are involved in a sexual act and that the subject needs it to reach a certain level of sexual stimuli.
However, the word "fetish" seems to be different in many dictionaries.
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
yeah, some stuff may not be considered a fetish but it still falss uner the umbrella of a Paraphilia, which just means any sort of sexual deviancy. But also homosexuality isn't considered abnormal anymore in american psychology so yeah.
blacklite911 2 years ago
Yes, I agree. The word paraphilia makes all the sense in the world in this respect.
I consider homosexuality an abnormality. Note that I am a homosexual, and that I do not see abnormality as wrong unless the abnormality causes direct reduction of another individuals "free will". Abnormal simple means "not the normality".
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago 4
Interesting, but in American Psychiatry, homosexuality is not treated as an abnormality.
blacklite911 2 years ago
Yes, however I fail to understand why an abnormality should be "threated". 8D
I get you. When I use the term abnormal I use it on everything that is not normal.
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
Yeah thats because what is "normal" is debatable, especially since homosexuality occurs in other animals naturally.
blacklite911 2 years ago
Natural and normal are two different words.
Homosexuality is natural. However, to be the normality, the highest procentage of sexual activity has to be homosexual. For intance, mastrubation is natural and normal. Also, one could make the case that pedophilia is natural (it occurs in other primate species). Murder and rape is also natural. That something is natural or not, does not mean anything morally.
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
You are correct in pointing out that the word fetish is misdefined.
I prefer using the phrase ''fringe sexuality'' to describe statistically abnormal forms of sexuality.
This is purely a descriptive term and does not make a distinction due to social acceptances. i.e. homosexuality and foot fetishim are lumped in with undesirable traits like pedophilia and ephebophilia
This is an objective way to describe sexuality without specially pleading that pedophilia is a disorder and not a fetish
TheProf1988 2 years ago
bersaba, you are wrong.
You are invoking the fallacy of special pleading. All forms of fringe sexuality must be defined in the same way; i.e. either as fetishes (which they are) or as disorders (erroneously).
If you claim that pedophilia is caused by faulty thinking and is therefore a disorder then one can just as easily claim that foot fetishism and homosexuality are caused by faulty thinking and are therefore disorders (which they clearly are not).
TheProf1988 2 years ago
Well it may not be a fetish (refering to ephebophilia), but what it is NOT is a mental health condition, whereas paedophilia is (it's in the DSM-IV). Paedophilia is 'faulty thinking', and is far more complex than 'foot fetish', and I never claimed that paedophilia was a fetish.
And, if you missed it at the start, I'm a psych nurse that works with (among others) paedophiles.
bersaba 2 years ago
You are invoking an argument from authority. The DSM-IV is at fault, just like it's previous incarnations that classified homosexuality as a mental disorder were.
Either ALL forms of sexuality are fetishes, or ALL are faulty thinking. You cannot claim that every paraphilia is a fetish and pedophilia alone is a mental disorder. That is assinine.
Why should I accept this? Because YOU say I should? Don't patronise me.
TheProf1988 2 years ago
You've only got 1/2 the facts. The reason paedophilia (as opposed to a foot fetish) is considered a mental disorder is simple. It's attraction to prepubescents (non sexually active people).
Foot fetish is a sexual 'preference', but they are still attracted to adults and have sex with adults. So to any other philia. Ephebophilia isn't a mental disorder because, biologically, they are attracted to people that can reproduce.
Paedophilia is different from all of those.
bersaba 2 years ago
This is also why homosexuality was originally in the DSM, because it was a 'non biological' disorder.
However society has moved on (correctly) and realise that there is nothing ethically or morally incorrect with homosexuality.
There is, however, a problem with paedophilia, and paedophiles that come into hospital are 'taught' to control their urges, and to avoid triggers, and so on.
Why are you so angry about all this? Why are you attacking me?
bersaba 2 years ago
Fair play, fair play.
TheProf1988 2 years ago
You are correct that pedophilia is very complex.
In fact, it is so complex and diverse I often ask myself why psychologists don't get up off their lazy asses to educate people on the subject.
Then maybe more emergent pedophiles would seek help *before* their years of stewing in their own thoughts and subsequent molestation
You in the psychological community are guilty of negligence. We in the evolutionary community are constantly raising public awareness of our science, why aren't you?
TheProf1988 2 years ago
Well, because fighting against language is indeed a hard battle.
Let me examplify; the word "theory".
"Evolution is just a theory".
We have both heard it, and we both know it is utterly wrong in a scientific setting to say "just a theory". One could say "just a hypothesis that is not a theory" but not about evolution.
We need to realize that without propper education for all there is no way to educate a close minded mass on scientific language.
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
Fair go bud, I do it all the time, but I'm not a millionaire that owns a television channel. And furthermore, do you really think that 'news' (corporate) will allow people on to say that. What would happen to the person, they'd be hounded and treated as a paedophile themselves.
What more would you have a psych nurse (not a psychologist) do?
Oh and as for evolution, you've still got a lot of people that don't agree with it as well.
bersaba 2 years ago
the scarier thing is that liberals in america want the government to be in charge of ethnic cleansing, eugenics, and a holocaust of christians
tehant1liberal 2 years ago
When the fuck did any liberal anywhere say that?
WiiAreSIN 2 years ago
Chemical Castration reminds me of the book, The Giver. Everyone has to take pills to repress sexual urges and feelings and basically puberty.
MeganMutiny 2 years ago
Justice dispensed by the state should be seen as a deterrent, not as punishment as Cenk seems to be suggesting. You cross into vengeance when you look at it as 'get them sonnuvabitches'.
xorasel 2 years ago 2
do they castrate women to or is it a double standard procdure only for men.
Oban2006 2 years ago
do you actually have some recent rates from a reputable source? I'd be interested in reading them.
chargedconvicted 2 years ago
Cenk and Ana, you should at least read the Wikipedia page about "Chemical castration" before making the show. That was BAD journalism !!!
kmkFR 2 years ago
If we can kill them, we should be able to castrate them.
kif868 2 years ago
As someone that works with sex offenders (I'm a psych nurse), let me clear up a few things.
1: You don't ever 'cure' sexual predators. The ones that get released learn to 'control' their urges.
2: The Mental Health Act is probably the strongest thing in law. It allows for the compulsory medication of a person.
3: Chemical castration is NOT permanent. So in that regard, you can consider it the 'same' as, say tranquilizers or other mood changing medications.
bersaba 2 years ago
(Keep in mind, I'm Australian)
4: As for "why do they let them out". In a nutshell, not enough beds. If you have a 20bed ward, than 3 more, that's 80 total beds. If you have 81 patients, you need to 'release' the most rehabilitated onto a Community Treatment Order. There has been people released on CTOs that re-offend.
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For the record, many child rapists are child rape victims themselves, and many wish weren't that way. I'm not saying their 'innocent', but it is worth knowing.
bersaba 2 years ago
bersaba That was some very clear and accurate info. Thanks. I do believe it is unconfirmed through a study regarding reversal. My understanding is that after 3years there are no gaurantees either way. Please correct me if I am wrong
chargedconvicted 2 years ago
The drug effects ability to perform as well as sex drive. It starts as a 1/mnth injection and progresses to a 1x/3months. There are a few side effects but most can be combatted with vitamin supplements. Mine is called Lupron but there are other brands that are used like deprovera
chargedconvicted 2 years ago
anna and cenk live in a dream world. Yeah, throw him in prison for 40 years! Ok that would cost 1 m dollars. ==OR== give him 200 dollars worth of chemicals. I wouldn't want anna or cenk to balance my cheque book. You guys suck.
krist300 2 years ago
$500 - $1000 per injection but your point is still valid
chargedconvicted 2 years ago
Line him against wall, shoot in head, end.
ampdgmr 2 years ago
I saw a very interesting documentary by Louis Theroux on this. The subjects were repeat child rapists that had served their time under the law, and are now being held indefinitely at a detention facility in California after being deemed too dangerous to release. The only real way to be released is to honestly identify themselves as pedophiles and agree to chemical castration. I'm utterly disgusted by pedophiles, but some very interesting human rights issues were raised surrounding the facility.
WellIAMScottish 2 years ago
Cenk..you're talking shit.
celt67 2 years ago
Dur they're socializing mah penis! Mah penis should be left up o the private sector!
Cazz814 2 years ago
Wasting someone's life in a cell for life seems inhumane. There's no point in that forced life. But death is worst because the little life, he has, is taken in an instant. I say " 7 years" maximum per offense. Fuck. You. If you mention anything about the victims feelings. The law is fair and blind, so the victims are marginalized in any case.
JBUITRAGOPER4 2 years ago
I think a fair compromise would be to give them long jail sentences, and offer the alternative of serving half of their sentence if they consent to castration.
I don't think it should be forced, but I'm willing to bet most of them would consent if given that offer.
christyell 2 years ago
I was going to write something similar. I believe that your First offence should come with a hefty prison sentence followed by many years of probation to monitor you and your second would be life with no chance of parole unless you consent to chemical castration and even then you aren't guaranteed parole and can't apply until after serving at least twelve years.
KidOmniMan 2 years ago 2
Doctors make the decision to "chemically castrate" male mental health patients with sexual issues/urges/thoughts all the time
"chemical castration" such as an injection of depo-provera (birth control) which lasts for 3 months, all the concern over not being able to reverse things seems ridiculous - no chemical can take away sexual urges forever. Also I think if someone is asking for help, and it can be provided through something as simple as a medication or "chemical" OF COURSE we should do it
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TheThirdHour 2 years ago
That is a slippery slope argument and shouldn't be valid.
Cheshirecatmeow1 2 years ago
castrate yes-chemical castrate no
SupaFastVideos 2 years ago
what if the person in question turned out to be innocent? The government would be facing a huge lawsuit. Not only that but in what way do you define rape? As in having sex with say a sixteen year old who was lets say had a fake id that said she was 21 and was able to get into a bar and you ended up having sex with her. Bam your a rapist lets casterate him right away. But wait a minute it was CONSESUAL. She wanted it.
So again what is defined as rape?
glddraco 2 years ago 3
Your first definition of rape would not be repeated... this is for repeat sex offenders so your entire argument is irrelevant.
ceaserowns1 2 years ago
Rapists should get castrated first offense. Period. Although, only those 100% proven that it was an actual rape, none of that he-said, she-said and statutory crap. Actual, physical force rape IS INHUMANE, hence they get balls chopped off.
pidjunk 2 years ago
Mind you there is a VERY easy way to solve this. Put the sex offenders in a prision general population.
Tyvek29 2 years ago
Fucking right a prison with TV.,phone,visits,weight lifting room,three square meals a day and as much homo sex as he can enjoy.Yeah that will teach that pervert a lesson.Fuck that let the victims father have five minutes with that pig.CASE CLOSED!!!
xxdonaldqxx 2 years ago
Can't do it. There has to be a failsafe incase we find out later that the prisoner is not guilty. In the US, a large number of people have been sentence to death, later new evidence show that they where not guily. That is not an option. As such, there cannot be any torture or paermnanent damage to the individual, only permanent imprisonment is an option.
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
The animal in the TYT admitted he did it.When you say a large number of people who are not guilty you must remember many cases are over turned on technicalities.Yes some have been overturned with DNA evidence that proves a person not guilty.However I don't know what that percentage is.
xxdonaldqxx 2 years ago
Never trust the person you are looking at as a possible suspect. There is a number of ways a person may say he has done something he has not done. One may argue that thats their problem, but if one thinks oner has the criminal it is an obvious problem as the actual criminal is at large. Also, it is a psychological issue.
On the topic; I am Norwegian. We have removed the death penalty, even in the case of war. We have low crime rates, so we tend towards believing this is funtional.
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
Was crime in norway higher before the death penalty was removed from your nation?
xxdonaldqxx 2 years ago
The death penalty in society was removed a long time ago. The last death sentence was in 1948, but it was removed from the law in 1979. However, it was in theory possible to be sentence to death during war. This is now removed as well.
The answer is certainly yes; from 1948 until 79 crimerates dropped dramatically on crimes that would prior to 48 casuse the death penalty. In 48 death penalty became a "sleeping law" until its removal. However, keep in mind that our ...
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
part 2
... economical situation on an individual basis has, since '48, rissen from rather low to one of the highest in the world. It is obvious that we are not looking at causation, rather correlation.
GnosticAtheist 2 years ago
If your that long in prison you become insitutionalised and surviving in society is much harder then living in prison, so the tendancy to cimmit a crime to go back to jail is high.
If there is anyone to blaim its the goverment for making these people even bigger monsters and then setting them free in society again.
I could go on and on about how prisons really serve only as a shortterm solution but make things so much more problematic in society in the long run.
aces9876 2 years ago
I agree in theory to your comment. I think jail is appropriate but first needs to be run more like how we would expect those people to behave in society. Then, for all crimes I believe there needs to be intense treatment to "break" the deviant and relearn better thinking processes. Then optional chemical castration. followed by routine therapy while on a long parole/probation.
chargedconvicted 2 years ago
Chemical castration? I saw that pic of the shears in the sidebar lol.
RarewareLover 2 years ago
Thats to cut the packaging I think
chargedconvicted 2 years ago
Why not give a choice between life between bars or less time with castration. If you consider castration torture, you could also argue that life time imprisonment is torture. The goal is to protect society.
Also, the chemical stops the URGE for sexual activity. He's not gonna miss it. There will be just no testosterone if he sees little children or females in general.
He's gonna be sexually like 90 years old (impotent usually). Could be even quite fulfilling.
Good for him and the rest of us.
Quickedie 2 years ago
Is it torture or is it akin to giving a cripple a wheelchail? Chemical castration removes the drive therefor giving the deviant control over urges which in the past had been a detrement to him living a successful offence free life.
chargedconvicted 2 years ago
Why not physical castration? It is guaranteed way to fix his problem.
crgcja 2 years ago
Wow this topic has just ruined my appetite... just a FYI don't eat while watching a video about castration.
PrUnEJuIcEtHeThIrD 2 years ago
Capital Punishment needs to be exercised more often. Chemical castration as opposed to jail time? thats too easy.
junglee786 2 years ago
Problem is Cenk "rest of your life sentences" sound great but the cost... the space.... people are living longer and longer. Particularity in prisons where people do little and get full medical.
Chemical castration changes someone less I argue than being in a slammer for 40years and that's even if you don't get your ass drilled out. 40yrs inside makes someone institutionalised. The rate of technology progress these days makes people absolutely alien on the outside.
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CmdrTobs 2 years ago
I say yes to it. Not only because sexual offenders are cunts but because this is supposed to be for *repeat* offenders. Though I'd much rather have them physically castrated..
Saaduk92 2 years ago
GGG, firstly, where is this program Obama installed to give taxpayer funds to potheads?
Secondly, don't you find it a little disingenuous to call it Obama's govt takeover? He isn't writing any legislation himself, and what legislation there is is about insurance payments, not health care. Don't you think it would be more helpful if you could actually elucidate what you are really opposed to? Any informed citizen should be able to.
eirefrance 2 years ago
And East Germany was an extremely safe place to live with very low crime. Safety and security=a loss of freedom and social repression where even questioning becomes a crime. I'd rather be a little less safe given those choices.
eirefrance 2 years ago
We need to kill these people, not castrate them.
darkwitchtori 2 years ago 2
This is 100% BULLSHIT!!
As a transsexual, I AM chemically castrated. If this asshole actually wanted to - he could buy spiro or depo online and do it himself. He's just being a worthless shitbag.
The drugs he would take are all over the internet for trans-people, and are super cheap. This is just a lie to get less punishment.
darkwitchtori 2 years ago
I agree plus, if he truely meant it he would have had it done already. An appointment at a mental health place, a bone densiy scan and then the needle in the ass. He could have arranged it. there is no need for the court to hear it. He just wants a small pity party so they will be nicer. Screw that.
chargedconvicted 2 years ago
Castrate this French bastard and stick him in jail for life. The only reason why Francis Evrard has been given leniency is because the victim that was drugged and rapped was a 5 year old Muslim boy.
slugger681 2 years ago
why dont these pedophiles just wank off instead?
PartVIII 2 years ago
Are we all aware that chemical castration dose not remove the testes or penis of a person?
It's simply a drug treatment to lower one's sex drive.
Not saying I approve of it, just saying the term "chemical castration" is misleading.
jockt967 2 years ago 2
I question that castration will prevent these people from committing crimes. It's about anger and control issues not sex drive.
MaryJesusJoseph 2 years ago
Studies show that chemical castration is quite effective.
mrcripple 2 years ago
What studies? How common is chemical castration?
MaryJesusJoseph 2 years ago
Google chemical castration.
mrcripple 2 years ago
Yeah, that's what they say on day time TV..... Those things are true, but a large part is the sexual pleasure and satisfaction. Trust me it works.
CmdrTobs 2 years ago
How do you know it works? Have there been actual clinical trials?
MaryJesusJoseph 2 years ago
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mrcripple 2 years ago
The reasons for offending are as varied as the offenders are. True anger and control play a part but so do many other things. Chemical castration works.
chargedconvicted 2 years ago
I'm positive chemical castration doesn't work as well as incarceration.
MaryJesusJoseph 2 years ago
I beleive in incarceration followed by treatment and then chemical castration. Just so your aware, all jail does in show an offender how to continue being a criminal and how to be violent. Jail doesn't help them perform better in society. A punishment is needed, sure but is that how you want them released?
chargedconvicted 2 years ago
They should give them regular castration make them suffer,then toss them in a darken room with criminals so they can be rape repeatly
CmdrSloanne 2 years ago
Punishment as retribution, or retributive punishment is the most primitive reason for punishing people. IAs far as I know, it is prevalent in the american justice system. Europe, not so much.
mrcripple 2 years ago
The castration might work for SOME...but remember the most potent sex organ is the brain.
Sliverbane 2 years ago
Well, that is exactly what chemical castration influences. I suggest you read up on it.
mrcripple 2 years ago
When we deal with repetative offenders, society needs to protect itself. Some sort of custodial sentence is approriate. The offender should be evaluated by relevant experts as to the possibility for him/her be set free at a later date.
mrcripple 2 years ago
Pedophilia, in a medical sense, is not about being attracted to teenagers. It is about being attracted to prepubescent children.
mrcripple 2 years ago
Forget the drugs. Use the knife.
SkreetGil 2 years ago
You'd have to cut off their arms and legs as well.
MaryJesusJoseph 2 years ago
Ok, done. And their tong too! Fuck them.
SkreetGil 2 years ago
Child molestors have emotional problems. I personaly would call a serial killer to be the worst of the worst. Why is it when sex is involved it becomes over the top.?
DRDNIBOY 2 years ago
Thats because society has a child fetish, that it is secretly ashamed of and lashes it out on sex offenders via the tabloid press.
We love our popstars younger and younger and start hounding them for sexy pix from 14(miley cyrus?) We manufacture knee high boots and mini skirts for 8yr olds.
CmdrTobs 2 years ago
I believe it's the destruction of an irreplacable innocence that fuels such hate. Sexual offenders destroy that and a child is left to comprehend and manage the pain from the offenders actions.
chargedconvicted 2 years ago
Just execute him.
LostSimply 2 years ago
Just life imprisonment, even on the 1st offense if it's bad enough. Sex offenders recommit offenses even more than murderers. Put them away for life. People can get around taking drugs. If they are in prison then you can do chemical castration too if you want.
jotunobsidianeyes 2 years ago
Liar.
du som hater gud.
jotunobsidianeyes 2 years ago
GGG - And you think a Single Payer system like the UK will deny people the... the what exactly?
jodenmalik 2 years ago
GGG - you're also a proponent of the free market system without regulations or bailouts? so you're ok with tax dollars going toward the health insurance industry, Blackwater/KBR and banks etc.?
jodenmalik 2 years ago
GGG - so you're in favor of legalizing marijuana so we can tax it like cigarettes and alcohol?
jodenmalik 2 years ago
GGG - just for the sake of entertainment... exactly how is President Obama 'taking away our liberty'?
jodenmalik 2 years ago
Bush already took away our liberty with the patriot act and he bankrupt this nation and also allowed 9/11 to go down
deevee777 2 years ago
4:30
"France's penal code is too soft".
Heh heh heh heh heh heh heh heh.
eirefrance 2 years ago 2
Punishment fit the crime much?
upabittoolate 2 years ago
So? When the government starts imprisoning people, what will that lead to? What is a person's "humanity"? Certain men are sterile, and is being free, out of prison, not part of one's humanity? Cenk's views on imprisonment are a bit too punitive methinks.
yohaneuano4 2 years ago
Conservatives literally believe that there is a tree of liberty that needs to be watered with the blood of tyrants.
yohaneuano4 2 years ago
Holy shit someone who actually thinks. I never thought I'd see it. That would probably be the best way to do it.
zbambam5 2 years ago
"drug dealers and communists are in the same category as child rapists." ROFL. Dude, you have one fucked up perspective of life you know that. Communism isn't an evil political system. It's the people in power who are evil. Drug dealers aren't evil people. I'm not saying all of them aren't pieces of shit, but alot of the ones I know hold 3 jobs and have to sell Hemp just to make it by. I'm sorry, but the world just is not sorted into black and white like that.
zbambam5 2 years ago 2
I'd say only for repeat offenders. First time it might be a fuck-up on the evidence, or even a one-time fling.
TTEchidna 2 years ago
I'm guessing you're for capitol punishment.
zbambam5 2 years ago
Everyone knows child sexual abuse is NOT ABOUT SEX. It's about control. Castration would not change this man's behavior.
TousVous 2 years ago
LOL yes it is. Feminism has caused this sort of warped thinking i.e. saying rape has nothing to do with sex. Paedophilia is a sexual fetish like any other, though in terms of its relation to the external world it's clearly unacceptable.
yohaneuano4 2 years ago
Feminism has caused this sort of warped thinking? I did not know that.
Where did you do your research? Have you published any of these findings yet? I'd love to read more on this very interesting thesis of yours. Unless you just made up some bullshit. But no, that would be embarrassing, theres no way you did that.
eirefrance 2 years ago
The behaviour is very much about sexuality although there are so many other elements involved. Chemical castration reduces/removes sexual drive. So, even if a deviant thought were to appear, the offender would not be motivated to offend since there is no sexual drive. If that makes any sence.....
chargedconvicted 2 years ago
There are many types of pedosexuality, some are about control, some are about sex or even love.
Remember that some pedophiles may be truly delusional, and they may believe that they are engaging in what they percieve is a fairy tale romance.
The worst thing that people do is to generalise. Pedophilia is FAR too complicated to be summed up with one principle.
Being specific increases understanding which in turn can help end suffering.
TheProf1988 2 years ago
sorry... a summamabitch that raped my 5 year old, they better lock him up for life, because I'D kill him by cutting his balls off. *hand cleaning gesture*
you're done. move along.
jodenmalik 2 years ago
Cenk, they lose their humanity the second they do something as horrible as that.
specore 2 years ago
specore,
That is a frightening statement.
MononofuBlood 2 years ago
People have odd appetites for acting on one another. First day, first grade, my life: the teacher decided i was either a Nazi or came from Nazis. She decided to tell me i should either be gone or dead, and run out of the country. Why? Freedom... for freedom. Yikes huh? Pretty bad, who knows how much a child can be ruined in that "acceptable public" environment. The witch burners are of course correct by virtue of position, status, and loyalty to "God", or arm waving goodness.
hypnofan35 2 years ago
People alter the crap out of each other every day. Basically it is the leaders or sinners who like to do the judging. If you could just shut down a person's brain every time they want to act on someone else it would be a good way to go forward. Molestation is a "status action" inasmuch they feel as if they will get away with it or have "authority" to get away with it. Mostly it's a "who's closer to God contest", and the getting away with it part is critical to "who gets to do what to whom".
hypnofan35 2 years ago
Cenk: It is not the state making the decision if the person has requested it. If it would be illegal for a doctor to chemically castrate a patient upon request, then currently the government is making the decision, not private parties.
Robfenix 2 years ago
1 strike
its one too many
fjackson90 2 years ago
Oh my god what the hell is wrong with everyone in this planet?! Taking away his humanity?!! What the hell kind of humanity does a "person" who is willing to rape a child have?! Hell ya castrate the son of a bitch!
silveremi2004 2 years ago 2
This is silly. Chemical castration does not lower sex drive, it does not change sexuality and it does not discourage molestation.
All chemical castration does is alter testosterone levels. Testosterone has ABSOLUTALLY NOTHING to do with any of the above.
There are numerous women sex offenders who have hardly any testosterone at all.
The only solution for sociopathic pedophiles is to ostracise them. i.e keep them in jail or an institution.
TheProf1988 2 years ago
I disagree with your findings. Since I am chemically castrated I can speak from experience when I tell you it does change drive and ability. What do you think it is that testosterone does in a male body? I can't speak for female but I would guess there is something.
p.s. not all pedophiles are sociopaths. I met many who were narcesistic however. But I also met several who appeared to be niether of those. It's more complex than a simple label.
chargedconvicted 2 years ago
I know that not all pedosexuals are sociopathic. One of the main problems that I have with western society is that it is ''paedohysteric'', that is, we have a very hyped up perception of what pedophilia is. It is a very understudied sexuality and that is reflected in our perception that every pedophile/ephebophile is a sociopath.
I added the qualifier ''sociopathic'' to describe the subset of pedosexuals who are very dangerous, not the rest.
TheProf1988 2 years ago
A main point you didn't get, Cenk, is that chemical castration is TEMPORARY. It's not like cutting off their balls. It is maintained. So you wouldn't end up permantently castrating people who later turn out to have been innocent.
gagaplex 2 years ago
they should castrate but not medically. with a sword!
gloryinmotion 2 years ago
As emotionally fulfilling as that may be, you're sliding into Saudi Arabian justice with statements like that. I'm not sure I'm comfortable living in a country that celebrates bloody vengeance like that.
eirefrance 2 years ago
shut the fuck up you stupid pussy
gloryinmotion 2 years ago
Thanks for playing.
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amp1616 2 years ago
chop off their junk and install a rubber tube to pee from.
wdgeo 2 years ago
no man rapist and pedos should just be but to death once there convicted i wouldn't waste the rubber on those sub-humans
Wodinswolf 2 years ago
No they shouldnt be casterated, they should be put in jail.
500 years ago you would get your hands cut of if you were stealing, do you think it should be like that now?
funnycatsvid 2 years ago
French, bring back the guillotine.
Dantinus 2 years ago
it costs a shitload to imprison someone for life. chemical castration is cheaper.
myownsummer85 2 years ago
How much does it cost to give the next child victim back his or her childhood when chemical castration does not stop someone like this from committing another crime?
If life is what it takes then society needs to be ready to foot the bill to preserve justice and the safety of its citizens.
BobfromSydney 2 years ago
You must be a virgin.
Clembo 2 years ago
My first thought is that there are chemicals in the gunpowder behind a bullet. But what to do with the human filth? When I think of my tax dollars being spent on prisons, this kind of crime is on my top ten. A more ironic comment is that France is considering what Hitler Germany did to their whack jobs. Social Darwinism at work? Scary if the natural course of human events evolves with chemicals being used as a method to control its populations.
imataxslave 2 years ago
Your stupid rerwriting of history would be funny except you don't understand what you're doing. The Nazi's copied their eugenics program from the fascist US.
nilbud 2 years ago
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the Nazi's copied their eugenics program from American PROGRESSIVES, aka fascists, liberals, far-left lunatics
genie0390 2 years ago
facism is synonymours with extreme right wingism. Leftism/progressiveism is the OPPOSITE of fascism.
You don't know shit. Fuck off and die.
TheProf1988 2 years ago
you arrogant, ignorant Brit bastard
the eugenics movement in America started with the early 20th century progressives!!!
Hitler's Nazi party adopted the name, "National Socialist Workers party"- 2 key words here are "socialist"aka leftist and "workers"! far right conservatism doesn't embrace socialism! progressives believe in ongoing change for the better, nothing represented "change" more than Fascism!!
read Jonah Goldberg's, "Liberal Fascism" and wise up you snotty pric