Thunderbirds are clean and very precise with their maneuvers. But the blue angels do some way crazier shit. Blue angels = more interesting, eye opening show.
@92Rocco Oh please. I live in America and I agree with him. It's brain washing. They say you can live the dream here and all of these nice and wonderful things, and yet they make it NEAR IMPOSSIBLE to attain that "American dream" and "freedom".
I like f-16 and the nice work of the thunderbirds, but always the same f****ng yankee words: our freedom - america - proud. Nice and slow brainwash, dude.
@soundgear2000 I speak for all of America when I say, FUCK YOU! WE ARE THE BEST! I bleed RED, Im WHITE, and you dont live in America, thats why your BLUE!!!
I thought it was cool when I was playing disc golf today just north of Buffalo, and on the 14,15,16 holes i could see these Thunderbirds practicing their runs for the 9/11 Tribute for the shows in Niagara Falls during the 10th anniversary of 9/11. Great job.
I think it would be awsome if the Blue Angels and the Tunderbird's each had 1 of every plane they used to fly in flyable condition and go up and perform
Saw this team at RAF Waddington in the UK yesterday. I must say, they put on a better show than the red arrows, and very loud! Amazing display, thanks for coming!
Just watched these guy's in England today, Holy shit they are so loud! I think one of these guys with his afterburner lit was louder than all 9 red arrows together. Thanks :) Great show!
USAF Thunderbirds are actually a lot more risky, Thunderbirds fly at 100mph more than Blue Angels and do fricken delta rolls, blue angels use the art of perception and depth to make it look closer. Thunderbirds are full skill. Lately thunderbirds have went downhill though. Both are Great teams
USAF Thunderbirds are actually a lot more risky, Thunderbirds fly at 100mph than Blue Angels and do fricken delta rolls, blue angels use the art of perception and depth to make it look closer. Thunderbirds are full skill, not this year though. Lately thunderbirds have went downhill. Both are Great teams
@defactoluth Red Arrows can't be compared to the Thunderbirds or even the Blue Angels. Thunderbirds and Blue Angels F18's and f16's aren't capable of doing the things Red Arrows do. Maybe try comparing Canadian Snow Birds, they use trainer planes as well. Our boys in the US use fast, loud man planes ;)
@we3575 obviously you know nothing about the Black Arrows (now called Red Arrows), you know nothing about the largest jet formation in the world called Frecce Tricolori (10 jets) and you know nothing about the oldest aerobatic team in the world called Patruille de France (Kicking ass since 1931).
When you check out their displays, you will be able to speak about aerobatic teams.
@popmerde Huh? I wasn't comparing meaning that any of the above are better, you assumed. All I said is that the BAE Hawk (Red Arrows) can't be compared to an F16 (Thunderbirds) or F18's (Blue Angels). Red Arrows use BAE Hawk trainers, light and manuverable. US teams use large, heavy, non aerobatic planes. The F16's nor the F18's were made to do aerobatics and really can't. You can't compare the the Thunderbirds to the Red Arrows and vice versa. Fact! Two totally different aircraft.
@Dudeoffitness69 FINALLY! :D Tried researching that for a good half an hour 'cause you can only hear a couple of words here and there. The song is "Millennium" by Robbie Williams. /watch?v=2GlJSU6KecY
Well... they came to Puerto Rico... the playlist was awesome.. i mean.. they played Rob Zombie, Marilyn mansn, metallica, kid rock, system of a down, korn and more!!!!!!!!
@MarkDoesXbox your right about that accept, some people have family members in the Navy and they think the Blues are better, and some got people in the USAF so they think thunderbirds are better
@MarkDoesXbox It is NOT the same thing. Not even close. The Angels do meneuvers like the Double Farvel and the Diamond Dirty Loop. The Thunderbirds don't come close. The Thunderbirds use MUCH more powerful aircraft so I don't know why they don't do some of the same things. But they are alot more careful. Over 200 Blue Angel pilots have died since their inception.
@TwinSmoke thats completely false, learn your facts. 1 blue angel has died because he passed out and crashed (skilled naval aviator? no.) thunderbirds had a miscalculation and a crash but pilot was trained better so he lived. USAF Thunderbirds>Blue Angels
@MarkDoesXbox You are right and you are wrong. Sorry about the extra 0 when I stated how many died. But the thrust to weight ratio is not even close. An F-16 can go vertical from ground level to 35,000 feet. An F/A-18 E cannot. The F/A-18 will stall. The F-16 is not fly by wire while the F-18 is. And have you ever seen the Blue's pass and review? It happens at the beginning of the show where the aircraft are about 8 inches apart. I've never seen the TB get that close.
@MarkSaysHai No way. The F-16 is more maneuverable, and we have so few F-22's (and therefore fewer well-trained F-22 pilots), there would be no point in it. It's more expensive and unpractical/unnecessary.
@outlander450 cause of its fly-by wire system. its different than the F-18. it has a pressure sensitive stick so its like your brain is more a part of the plane.
They are all really great pilots, but is the packaging that makes the team... for me, patruille the france, frecce tricolori and red arrows are better, more quality, better technique
my dad was in the air force, and from what i hear, the thunderbirds are the biggest, cockiest assholes of the air force, far more than one would expect from a fighter pilot
@thomasmullerisabeast I was in the Air Force and had the honor of meeting all the Thunderbird pilots. They were all gentlemen and treated me with respect even though they were officers and I was but a one stripped enlisted man at the time.Were they a bit cocky ? Hell yes..... look what they do for a living.I'm still proud to have been in the same branch of the service as these men.
@thehoaxbuster I prefer The Blue Angels to The Thunderbirds, honestly, but that's not stopping me from making plans to drive to this airshow in May. :)
the way the thunderbirds fly is tighter than gnat pussy!!!
catman63879 1 month ago
Thunderbirds are clean and very precise with their maneuvers. But the blue angels do some way crazier shit. Blue angels = more interesting, eye opening show.
funsize0291 1 month ago
isn't that Falcon pretty!?
unwired 2 months ago
Whats the name of the song that starts at 8:00?
nestothedrummerboyy 2 months ago
@92Rocco Oh please. I live in America and I agree with him. It's brain washing. They say you can live the dream here and all of these nice and wonderful things, and yet they make it NEAR IMPOSSIBLE to attain that "American dream" and "freedom".
DC11961 2 months ago
@DC11961 Who's "they"?
TTDMFfreaknew 2 months ago
I like f-16 and the nice work of the thunderbirds, but always the same f****ng yankee words: our freedom - america - proud. Nice and slow brainwash, dude.
soundgear2000 4 months ago
@soundgear2000 I speak for all of America when I say, FUCK YOU! WE ARE THE BEST! I bleed RED, Im WHITE, and you dont live in America, thats why your BLUE!!!
92Rocco 3 months ago
thank you for posting this!
H2KEENE 4 months ago
Imagine what they could do with some F-22's
mcco0480 4 months ago
@mcco0480 that would be sick with the thrust vectoring
LTSSNIPER4 4 months ago
@mcco0480 what he said
HecklerGT2 3 months ago
awesome
MrJprejean 4 months ago
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BlackKaK711 5 months ago
to long
larkyization 5 months ago
WTF they r like robots O_O
TaWiNki15 5 months ago
1970's tech at its finest.
TheDeJureTour 5 months ago
and KICKSTART MY HEART
92PhoenixSuns 5 months ago
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92PhoenixSuns 5 months ago
i love my F-22's at the very begining
92PhoenixSuns 5 months ago
I like how there all majors
taydeezy95 6 months ago
I thought it was cool when I was playing disc golf today just north of Buffalo, and on the 14,15,16 holes i could see these Thunderbirds practicing their runs for the 9/11 Tribute for the shows in Niagara Falls during the 10th anniversary of 9/11. Great job.
SDudek22 6 months ago
Awesome!!!!
FastFerrari82 6 months ago
Esquadrilha da Fumaça é melhor!
Tomcather 6 months ago
@Tomcather hahahahahaha lol
popmerde 6 months ago in playlist popmerde's Favorited Videos
God i love my country! God bless America!
johnnyflipp 6 months ago
No job is cooler. None, whatsoever.....
TheBunkis 6 months ago 12
i saw them today. fuckin insane!!!!!!!
CrazyWebcamGuy 6 months ago
Oh my god.
This is awesome.
LulzKast 6 months ago
from 0:0:45 to 0:01:41 the pilots look like robots with those jerky motions approaching the aircrafts, that is kind of weird isn't it? O_o?
Fidelis94 6 months ago
A little, lower, Puuuuuulllll
ShogunCheeks 6 months ago
5 people sneezed and hit the dislike button.
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1UP114 6 months ago
5 fucken idiots!!! Get a clue!!!
a101deltwas 7 months ago
Great video, but doesn't quite match up to actually being there. :-/
gigglewiggles00 7 months ago
@Shitraver Misread your comment sorry =)
adhdboy699 7 months ago
@Shitraver f-16
adhdboy699 7 months ago
I got to meet the thunderbirds at the gathering of eagles with my grandfather a few years back. Very stand up guys.
KickinNick09 7 months ago
I think it would be awsome if the Blue Angels and the Tunderbird's each had 1 of every plane they used to fly in flyable condition and go up and perform
1bearcatf8f 7 months ago
AMERICA... FUCK YEAH!!!!
xMANBEARPlGx 7 months ago
33:50= beast pass
BrAnDoNdUtToLiO1991 7 months ago
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BrAnDoNdUtToLiO1991 7 months ago
whats the song at 20:41
Danx567 8 months ago
@Danx567 kickstart my heart by motley crue
BrAnDoNdUtToLiO1991 7 months ago
@Danx567 Bittersweet symphony
Snarekid19 6 months ago
Saw this team at RAF Waddington in the UK yesterday. I must say, they put on a better show than the red arrows, and very loud! Amazing display, thanks for coming!
will1988a 8 months ago
Just watched these guy's in England today, Holy shit they are so loud! I think one of these guys with his afterburner lit was louder than all 9 red arrows together. Thanks :) Great show!
bazman85 8 months ago
boring show... just flying without any master tricks
sergeyeremenko 8 months ago
@sergeyeremenko any show with airplanes is a good show IMO
RainbowManification 8 months ago
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USAF Thunderbirds are actually a lot more risky, Thunderbirds fly at 100mph more than Blue Angels and do fricken delta rolls, blue angels use the art of perception and depth to make it look closer. Thunderbirds are full skill. Lately thunderbirds have went downhill though. Both are Great teams
MrThatsYe 8 months ago
USAF Thunderbirds are actually a lot more risky, Thunderbirds fly at 100mph than Blue Angels and do fricken delta rolls, blue angels use the art of perception and depth to make it look closer. Thunderbirds are full skill, not this year though. Lately thunderbirds have went downhill. Both are Great teams
MrThatsYe 8 months ago
Thunderbirds in Finland on 18th June 2011. Nice show. Thank you!
SirRetku 8 months ago
what's the song name on 28:20 ?
TeddyAn95 9 months ago
@TeddyAn95 The verve, Bittersweet symphony
Snarekid19 6 months ago
Why is the number 5 on the 5 jet inverted?
TwinSmoke 9 months ago
musik at 28:20 ? and , i seen the thunderbirds 3 days ago in romania ....Fantastic.
QUAZLA3000 9 months ago 13
@QUAZLA3000 ieri vroiai sa spui ?
TeddyAn95 9 months ago
@QUAZLA3000 Bitter Sweet Symphony by The Verve
mystikr 6 months ago
@QUAZLA3000 bitter sweet symphony
Airbornerock 5 months ago
@QUAZLA3000 The music is "Bittersweet symphony" by The verve
FlyboyAaron199 5 months ago
Music is called Bittersweet Symphony :)
timracer51 5 months ago
@QUAZLA3000 musik at the 28:20 is Danzig, crush a skull.....i seen thunderbards too as well and loved song! thundarbards in the romania roks!!!!!
TheBunkis 3 months ago
@QUAZLA3000 The Verve - Bitter Sweet Symphony
JordanBellavanceTV 2 months ago
@QUAZLA3000 bitter sweet symphony - the verve
ChaosturnMusic 1 month ago
how much would it cost for a diamond roll in a graduation??
11951miguel 9 months ago
Great video...Both the Blue Angels and Thunderbirds ROCK!!
jgjuza 9 months ago
Yo whats that song called when the two solos take off?
BlackKaK711 9 months ago in playlist Allen
@BlackKaK711 Motley Crue : kickstart my heart.
dmfb68 9 months ago
@dmfb68 Thanks
BlackKaK711 9 months ago in playlist Allen
I saw this at Andrews AFB, it was amazing!!
TheEpicTy 9 months ago
Why is the 5 on Thunderbird 5 upside down?
xXSeNiLeXx 9 months ago
@xXSeNiLeXx because everytime he passes the spectators he is upside down
eaglenester26 9 months ago
@eaglenester26 Thanks
xXSeNiLeXx 9 months ago
@xXSeNiLeXx because he's known for flying upside down in certain maneuvers. And when he does you will see the #5 right side up.
jrlubom 9 months ago
@xXSeNiLeXx Because it flies mostly upside down..
saippuakauppias100 9 months ago
What's the song at 0:28:27?
UndeadInsanity 9 months ago
@UndeadInsanity The Verve: bittersweet symphony.
dmfb68 9 months ago
These guys are badass pilots ;P These guys beat the Blue Angels by ALOT
GodofSnipers1 10 months ago
lol red arrows have these guys beaten badly
defactoluth 10 months ago
@defactoluth Red Arrows can't be compared to the Thunderbirds or even the Blue Angels. Thunderbirds and Blue Angels F18's and f16's aren't capable of doing the things Red Arrows do. Maybe try comparing Canadian Snow Birds, they use trainer planes as well. Our boys in the US use fast, loud man planes ;)
we3575 10 months ago
@we3575 obviously you know nothing about the Black Arrows (now called Red Arrows), you know nothing about the largest jet formation in the world called Frecce Tricolori (10 jets) and you know nothing about the oldest aerobatic team in the world called Patruille de France (Kicking ass since 1931).
When you check out their displays, you will be able to speak about aerobatic teams.
popmerde 9 months ago
@popmerde Huh? I wasn't comparing meaning that any of the above are better, you assumed. All I said is that the BAE Hawk (Red Arrows) can't be compared to an F16 (Thunderbirds) or F18's (Blue Angels). Red Arrows use BAE Hawk trainers, light and manuverable. US teams use large, heavy, non aerobatic planes. The F16's nor the F18's were made to do aerobatics and really can't. You can't compare the the Thunderbirds to the Red Arrows and vice versa. Fact! Two totally different aircraft.
we3575 9 months ago
very very cool
202WRX 10 months ago
The 2 thumbs down is Muammar Gaddafi both times
ClunanCody 10 months ago
-Very nice one-take, thanks....
Bjarke
bsfo2 10 months ago
@Dudeoffitness69 That's an easy one: Bittersweet Symphony by The Verve. /watch?v=1lyu1KKwC74
What else do ya got? :D Take care, man.
NickolaiVolkov 10 months ago
@Dudeoffitness69 FINALLY! :D Tried researching that for a good half an hour 'cause you can only hear a couple of words here and there. The song is "Millennium" by Robbie Williams. /watch?v=2GlJSU6KecY
Have a good day, my friend.
NickolaiVolkov 10 months ago
No thrust vectoring needed.
TEHGROUND 10 months ago
I love airshows, but I hate the gay music and the gay announcers
tigerswede3 11 months ago
@tigerswede3
Well... they came to Puerto Rico... the playlist was awesome.. i mean.. they played Rob Zombie, Marilyn mansn, metallica, kid rock, system of a down, korn and more!!!!!!!!
diaphanoux 10 months ago
hey, it's the spacecamp music
tigerswede3 11 months ago
check out my 2011 Charleston air expo video of the wonderful Thunderbirds.
balibagoful 11 months ago
@Judge4utube thunderbirds
MrWwefanfav 11 months ago
i dont get the point of the music when the jets are already making art AND music
RottenAce 11 months ago
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I saw these guys many years ago in Malaysia. They were simply awesome!!!
jamakhai 11 months ago
I saw these guys many uears ago in Malaysia. They were simply awesome!!!
jamakhai 11 months ago
Guys it's literally the exact same thing, very skilled Naval Pilots and very skilled USAF Pilots. Different planes.
Jesus....
MarkDoesXbox 11 months ago 26
@MarkDoesXbox your right about that accept, some people have family members in the Navy and they think the Blues are better, and some got people in the USAF so they think thunderbirds are better
RottenAce 11 months ago
@MarkDoesXbox It is NOT the same thing. Not even close. The Angels do meneuvers like the Double Farvel and the Diamond Dirty Loop. The Thunderbirds don't come close. The Thunderbirds use MUCH more powerful aircraft so I don't know why they don't do some of the same things. But they are alot more careful. Over 200 Blue Angel pilots have died since their inception.
TwinSmoke 9 months ago
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grevinboy6442 9 months ago
@TwinSmoke thats completely false, learn your facts. 1 blue angel has died because he passed out and crashed (skilled naval aviator? no.) thunderbirds had a miscalculation and a crash but pilot was trained better so he lived. USAF Thunderbirds>Blue Angels
MrThatsYe 8 months ago
@MarkDoesXbox You are right and you are wrong. Sorry about the extra 0 when I stated how many died. But the thrust to weight ratio is not even close. An F-16 can go vertical from ground level to 35,000 feet. An F/A-18 E cannot. The F/A-18 will stall. The F-16 is not fly by wire while the F-18 is. And have you ever seen the Blue's pass and review? It happens at the beginning of the show where the aircraft are about 8 inches apart. I've never seen the TB get that close.
TwinSmoke 9 months ago
Different missions. FA-18....was the YF-17. Lost the competition to the F-16.
F-16 - More agile, maneuverable. Can not match payload of the FA-18
Teams are both highly skilled. I think the blues are prettier, particularly in very tight formation. So...
Blues for me.
Brad
wahoobrad 11 months ago 2
imagine the blue angels vs the thunderbirds in a dog fight
triplehhh478019 11 months ago
@triplehhh478019 are you about 4 years old?
tigerswede3 11 months ago
@tigerswede3
wat cah name
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@Judge4utube
i went to go see it today and wooooow! great team
lolzchuracutie 11 months ago
I saw them practicing today and it was amazing can't wait for the air show tomorrow at Lukes AFB
mexicano7771000 11 months ago
Great video, Thanks!!!!
wpstudio1 11 months ago
Great video, Thanks!!!!
wpstudio1 11 months ago
Nice flying!
GodofSnipers1 11 months ago
Thunderbirds are a high speed pass, show off team. The Blue Angels are a tight formation changing "wow factor" team.
Blues = Skill and Precision
Thunderbirds = Adrenaline and Speed with a lot of solo tricks and highspeed passes.
They are both good teams.
Plawranc 1 year ago 2
@Plawranc Heavy Metal Jet team are just as tight as blue angels, but still very highspped loops and passes
PremiumVs 9 months ago
@Plawranc the Starfighter's are cooler because there using fighter jets from the mid 50s
1bearcatf8f 7 months ago
can someone give me the list of all of the songs, i have a v thunderbirds team and wantedto play these songs next time we fly
ryan0157 1 year ago
Thunderbirds rule! On a side note, why do they have the music playing during the show?
drewjen1219 1 year ago
Thunderbirds rule! On a side note, why do they have the music playing during the show?
drewjen1219 1 year ago
my future job !! :D
freshangels 1 year ago
So, when they eventually use F22s instead of F16s in the Thunderbirds, will they keep them black or paint them?
VelosiT 1 year ago
They need an F-22 aerobatics team.
MarkSaysHai 1 year ago
@MarkSaysHai No way. The F-16 is more maneuverable, and we have so few F-22's (and therefore fewer well-trained F-22 pilots), there would be no point in it. It's more expensive and unpractical/unnecessary.
spurlicos82 1 year ago
@spurlicos82 how is the f-16 more maneuverable?
outlander450 1 year ago
@outlander450 cause of its fly-by wire system. its different than the F-18. it has a pressure sensitive stick so its like your brain is more a part of the plane.
jujuss07 11 months ago
Hey Steve if i may call you by that do you have a Disc on this Video i would buy it.
militaryfan90 1 year ago
cool
beneonarok 1 year ago
It's intense but the music sucks so bad.
kenfuscious 1 year ago
@kenfuscious I don't know, the Crystal Method they start playing around 8 minutes is pretty awesome.
gamersedge 1 year ago
They are all really great pilots, but is the packaging that makes the team... for me, patruille the france, frecce tricolori and red arrows are better, more quality, better technique
ACTupgrade 1 year ago
FINALLY the Thunderbirds are coming back to the UK after 11 years. RAF Waddington International Airshow in June. CAN'T WAIT!!
ashleo78 1 year ago
12:58
wiinerd1120 1 year ago
do anyone knows the song from 14:45 ?
DannMarius 1 year ago
@DannMarius that's a good question, needs a pop-up: 14:45 , name of the song anybody?
bagieta018 1 year ago
@bagieta018 David Robidoux - Heroes of War Enjoy it !
DannMarius 1 year ago
who needs or wants ear protection.
RainbowManification 1 year ago
Impressive planes...but I'd rather fly one of these:
/watch?v=ZWnW-OuggoE
davidls11 1 year ago
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God Bless America
BigWillieStyle08 1 year ago
typhoons would beat f22s anyday of the week
my dad was in the air force, and from what i hear, the thunderbirds are the biggest, cockiest assholes of the air force, far more than one would expect from a fighter pilot
thomasmullerisabeast 1 year ago
@thomasmullerisabeast I was in the Air Force and had the honor of meeting all the Thunderbird pilots. They were all gentlemen and treated me with respect even though they were officers and I was but a one stripped enlisted man at the time.Were they a bit cocky ? Hell yes..... look what they do for a living.I'm still proud to have been in the same branch of the service as these men.
nerblebun 1 year ago
@thomasmullerisabeast Thats because they have the best job in the world and deserve to be cocky.
RainbowManification 1 year ago
What song are they playing during the takeoff sequence?
HawgRyder1 1 year ago
@HawgRyder1 the slam
LoveThatBass921 1 year ago
whats the music at 24.45 ??
wormtoad1 1 year ago
EPIC LOL THIS VID WAS POSTED ON MY BIRTH DAY
ryan0157 1 year ago
what is the name of the music 0:26 ???
combarbala 1 year ago
Everything is so perfect that all the planes have the same bugs splattered in the same spots on the windscreens.
jrd1461 1 year ago 2
@reece2k95 while everyone is entitled an opinion , the Red Arrows are not American so your opinion just doesn't make sense :)
CraigDarling2 1 year ago
@Judge4utube in nov and dec? really??
nintendonerdgoodbad2 1 year ago
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thehoaxbuster 1 year ago 21
@thehoaxbuster I prefer The Blue Angels to The Thunderbirds, honestly, but that's not stopping me from making plans to drive to this airshow in May. :)
ahrimanes 1 year ago 2
@thehoaxbuster thunderbirds
ryan0157 1 year ago
@thehoaxbuster Red arrows better than both
outlander450 1 year ago
what song is at 3334?
airplanepimp1103 1 year ago
@airplanepimp1103 Cracker - Low
flyinghoo5 1 year ago
jabardast >>>>>
sush001574 1 year ago
The silver Aircraft are all F-22As, the white red and blue ones are non-combat F16C Variants.
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dingweihao 1 year ago
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dingweihao 1 year ago
the second best demostration team
Shamrock49100 1 year ago
whht do they say wen they take off?
11951miguel 1 year ago
i going to see them in vas Vegas next week heck ya finish my year off =) be epic F22 be there awesome.
SaberTanker22 1 year ago
Are those 22's in the background or F-35's??
elijahinky 1 year ago
@elijahinky 22's
Ryanjoe21 1 year ago
@Ryanjoe21 thanks, thats what I thought...
elijahinky 1 year ago
@elijahinky they're F16 Falcons
talrcumm 1 year ago
@elijahinky those are F-16C fighters the F-35 hasn't even entered service and the F-22 are combat only aircraft
solidmeijer 1 year ago
@solidmeijer I dont think the airforce will have many if any F-35's from what my cousin in the force has told me...and yea thanks for the reply!
elijahinky 1 year ago
Good video,I love it. Watch for hot new music from BRANDON JAROD.Great, different sound coming soon!
11181001 1 year ago
*Jizzes in pants
NeonBodyStyle93 1 year ago
go USAF!
QueenBeatlesWings 1 year ago 2