We call on Jesus today to be that Master of our own life to change our old ways for His way and who enter our life to fill us w/ His righteousness? Is it the Son in human form or is it the Son in Spirit form? The Spirit form and that is the Holy Spirit in Jesus name to the glory of the one true God, the Father in the name of Jesus. As the Father He is the God of creation as the Son He is the God of redemption & as the Holy Spirit He is the God of regeneration to fill believers w/ righteousness
(Rev 3:20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.)
The Lord is speaking here. Now if an unbeliever will take a step in this and ask Jesus to come into his heart, will the manifestation of the Son [human flesh] be in that mans heart? Of course not. It will be the Holy Spirit in Jesus name.
...and that WORD is also the son that will be manifested in the flesh so every thing that comes out from the lips of the Son in His days here on earth comes from the Father. The Son is no different from the Father as the Word is no different from the one true God mentioned in John 1:1. Only in different roles does our One God manifest himself to us.
at 6:13 God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him.
who is this 'him' at the time of creation? the prophets knew that there was God when God spoke to them? how did the prophets knew that it was that one God? Of course that one God did not say I am the Father talking today or I am the Son talking for now or the Holy Spirit talking. It is always that one God talking and they knew because a voice is talking and out of that voice is a WORD they hear...
at 5.49 Mr trinitarian what do you mean'that God implies that the son was present in creation"?Are they seperate in being? If that be so what is the nature of the son then as you say the son was present in creation
The telephone when we speak you can hear a voice. What if that voice having a word have a power to pop out in your fone and materialize physically in front of you and say what I say in the other line, that would still be me. Even the power of God can do more than what you can think of.But God is one.
And the Word became flesh John 1:14 in the fulfillment of Isaiah 9:6.Only then was the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. With flesh and blood, to be the sacrificial lamb. God of creation is only one God at that time with the Word coming from His spiritual lips.
You as human being do also speak of a word. If for example you have that power to make your word to be a human being too and travel in all parts of the world to send your message throughout the universe, that would still be you.
at 5:46 trinitarian said, ' the Father made the world by the Son. Of course that is true but the trinitarian pastor understanding is so short. His explanation is in the way the world understands it.Physical and literal. God is spiritual in nature so let us look it that way. God being a Spirit made all creation by His Word. And what is the nature of the Word that came from God. A Spirit not yet manifested in the flesh. God, the Father s a Holy Spirit that created all things through His Word
The true image of God is a Spirit.but as God he wrestled with Jacob as an angel, He talked to Moses as a burning bush, He was the commander of the army talking to Joshua, etc. and that one God, the invisible God who is a spirit, who is the Word manifested into flesh (Son). The Son or humanity of Jesus was not yet at the moment of creation. There is only one God talking and not two nor three. The Son (flesh, human form) was yet to be born as Isaiah 9:6 prophesied
at 5:16 Trinitatrian - 'We find God here speaking to the Son' that makes two not one.The Son(flesh,human form) was yet to be born in a manger. And the Word became flesh (John 1:14) God image is a spirit as well as the angels. Now is our image also a spirit? Yes. Our inner man is the image of God. Not this mortal body. What we have within is immortal that will be either in eternal death or eternal life in the judgement of God. But d mortal body He will replace with a glorified body like d Son
This man trinitarian is speaking in his own understanding saying The Father is there, as well as the Son and the Holy Spirit. Making it three distinct being. I am no bible scholar and never been in any debate nor I was a pastor or leader of any christian church but the Son being the flesh was not yet there for that one God, the Father is a Spirit is the only One that is there with His subjects.
at 2:17 Trinitarian Statement -The Father and the Son exist in the same place at the same time and they are in fact separate persons. Hmmmm? how many is God is that? He quoted Gen 1:26- Let US make man.... Who is that us? The trinitarian is explaining in his own understanding. No verse support of 'us'. Us is his subject and He, the Father of Creation is only one God and no other else at that time. For if there is another beside Him then Isaiah 45:22 & 46:9 is against it.
Why does it say in the description, "oneness vs tritheism"? I believe its Trinity! Tritheism, is NOT the same thing. Might want to get that checked out.
@hammondman2 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. The word rapture is not found in the bible but it is true about what is said about it
Eternally Begotten???? That is an oxymoron. Eternal-Everlasting from the Begining of Time, No Begining. Begotton- Had aBegining. Begot & Begat- Begin & Began. Some Trinitarians need 2Watch there words in defending their Heresy.
3 persons. The Son had a beginning: Pro 8.22-30 (God has never been without wisdom). The Son is not the Father but is an other self of Him who is the Father (double): Luke 6.12; John 14.9a 'I', 'ME', the Holy Spirit too: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'another'.
3 personnes. Le Fils a un début: Pro 8.22-30 (Dieu n'a jamais été sans sagesse). Le Fils n'est pas le Père mais est UN AUTRE LUI-MÊME de CELUI qui est le Père (double): Luc 6.12; Jn 14.9a 'JE', 'M'as'; l'Esprit-Saint aussi: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'AUTRE'.
Jesus is the rock, Mathew 7:24-25 and Luke 6:48 both all talk about building a house upon a ROCK, not ROCKS. If I built my house, I would surely want a firm, single, ONE foundation. If I built a house on a foundation that was split up, it would definately fall. The same is with God and the God head. He is the rock, you cant split it up, its as simple as that, and there is definatley a lot more examples that God is one "being" not three seperate entities.
When the Bible says let us make man in our own image, The Lord was talking to the Earth and the Earth obeyed him as we were made from the dust of the Earth and then God breathed the breath of life (his spirit) in us. The Sun also obeyed The Lord when The Lord said Let there be light. Corinthians says we are Earthy and we are spirit...that's what we are made up of....every element in the earth is in us..even magma in a form
Both of these men I believe are Evangelical Protestants & what's amazing is that they each preach from the same Bible & still don't agree. Are you people afraid of inviting an LDS scholar to these debates? lol
@leSavaii LDS scholar?? they are not the true church .. ely soriano is the most authority when it comes to bible knowledge and understanding.. check i the youtube.
@jeslyfirefox....And who of these two self-proclaimed Protestant Christians is telling the truth? Check the truth out from God & not from the Bible or YouTube.
@jeslyfirefox...What are you talking about? The truth about God is not in the Bible..it remains with God & you have to earn it by dropping on those two knee-caps & ask Him in His Son's Name with sincerity....stop worshiping the Bible or even your pastors.
@leSavaii are u nuts? christians dont worship the bible its a book a word of GOD translated into diferent languages and dictated by HIM to those people in the ancient times of Moses and Abraham for our knowing of HIM. your minds is so clouded. where do you get that belief and philosphy about GOD is not in the Bible??? the Bible is not an ordinary books it was iinspired by God. How dare you to say that God is not in the Bible??
@jeslyfirefox...So it seems like that you do have reading problems thus far...or certainly you can read but you can't comprehend what you're reading....howz dat? If you really wanna know & learn about God...read this passage to yourself (JAMES.1:5) & DO EXACTLY WHAT IT'S SAYS. God knows better about Himself than the Bible or any of your preachers. Go figure dude!
@leSavaii i dont have reading problems it looks like you are? you dont believe the bible is the word of God. so you dont follow jesus teaching. may I ask you are you a mormons??
@jeslyfirefox...Obviously, you don't understand what you read, but here's a question for ya mate...WHO KNOWS BETTER ABOUT GOD?...God Himself...not from a book or from anybody, so read this again (JAMES.1:5) That's what the Bible tells you to do. Cheers!
I am saved and believe in Jesus. The Music is great.
After a review of Oneness, how can it be true? Jesus said in Matthew 27:46
46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,[c] lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).[d]
Since Jesus words are true, the Father had left Jesus.
If Jesus Flesh was speaking, Jesus Flesh would not be God and could not pay for our sins. It is just image of God, but that is not God.
bro william Branham said that both trinity and oneness are BOTH WRONG!
he said when you get it between oneness and trinity you will get it exaclty right.
some if the in between terminology that he used was Jesus was a Dual person, Father and Son were inseperable or yoked together.
God and Christ were in divine fellowship. that is why when Jesus said I have sat down with my Father on His throne yet John only saw ONE sitting upon the throne
If a King said, "Let us go into battle and into war with our enemies?" Does that mean that "us" mean more than one king? Is the King saying there's more kings? When the Lord said "let us scatter the language" (Gen 11:7) I don't believe God means more lords, because we know there's one. People want to say "Let us make man in our image" but the next verse, it also states God created man in "HIS" own image. Singular. In another thing, it doesn't say GODS created, but GOD created man. ONE GOD
I hear the argument all the time that the Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible among Oneness Pentecostals but the word "Rapture" which they use greatly is not either.
The word became flesh!!!!!! It means Jesus I Lord. One GOD.
Is very sad people read and read the bible but dont understand and make doctine of one scripture. one thing i do understand is the the revelation of his name comes from Jesus him self....
IS only One God... the book of James 2:19 states " Thou belivest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." i doent get more clear than this!!!!!!!
" Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. " (John 17:5, NASB)
" Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. " (John 17:24, NASB)
Do you imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell you, but rather division.52-for from now on there will be five in one house divided, three against two and two against three. 53-they will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against her mother, and mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother –in-law.
If i give you a check for $100,000.00, and i sign "son" on the bottom, or "father" were the signers signature belongs would you be able to cash it in? Why NOT? Because one of my [titles] are not valid. The check needs a valid signature. “My NAME”
@OneGodActs238 God did not say they were titles. Your faith defined them as titles. Are you limiting God? Jesus said in M 28.19 in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Even if God has a name, Jesus defined God as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Both parts are true. Do you have the right to change God word or Jesus word? He said them for a reason.
I myself am a Hebrew and Greek student, and I must confirm, not everything my brother is saying here, but I must confirm the scriptures. One must understand that the word Trinity is not found in the Bible but the concept is there. But how do I know this? Well if one could show that there is (1) God is three persons in other words the son never does the fathers act and the spirt the sons role. (2) Each person is fully God, (3) and God is one. Then logically Gods has to beTriune.
bro william branham said oneness and trinity is BOTH wrong! he said when you get it in between these 2 schools of thought you will get it just exactly. of course 2ness is wrong like the mormons and jehovah witness preach too
bro branham taught that Jesus was a DUAL person OR Father and Son YOKED together OR Father and Son inseperable
Yes God is speaking about himself in plural BUT we are english speaking people in HEBREW & semantic languages there is a PLURAL OF RESPECT, not only of numbers. Even in Gen 1:1 the name of (In the begenning God (Elohim) made the heavens and earth) is a plural of God, are you going to translate it to GODS? No, this is because there is only 1 god, and this is a PLURAL OF RESPECT!
I cant belive pastors are twisting the text to fool non-learned average people. GOD IS NOT A MAN!
@MrsHamdulila Than why not change the text to meaning I and me. Why not change Genesis 1:26 to "God said, let me create man in my image and according to my likeness." Why would Moses use the Hebrew word with respect to persons? I've heard many explanation like yours from muslims and I say that you are all wrong. Right from the get go we see God referring to Himself as a plural of persons, there is no other explanation.
@MrsHamdulila I've heard of this before, but do not know Hebrew....
I wish I could read the original text verbatim in the original text/ with someone who could explain it through the meaning of it in it's original language
Mr. Cook says, we are talking about two different God. that satement shows that the oneness believer is wrong in understanding the doctrine of Trinity.. God is one and manifest in three different entity. distinct from each other,i n character and role.
Nice presentation coming from pro trinity debater, he has presented a solid proof how Trinity becomes right. The debater of oneness failed in proving by saying that we worship different God. This debate Shows how the oneness doctrine is half cooked.
I pray for a revelation of God to the body of christ so that it releases us from all of this division, Jesus tells us how precious we are to him and how important we are that God sent his only son to die on the cross for us and yet here we are arguing. We are suppose to be the light of the world going in to the dark places and bringing them the life which is light but yet here we are arguing, let us walk in the love of God in the fruits of the spirit and fight against the enemy not brethren
Gene Cook says trinity and oneness people worship different gods...wow. Well, the God I worship saved me from my sin, filled me with the Holy Ghost, filled me with joy and peace, and gave me something worth living for. I love the Lord Jesus Christ and endeavor to honor God's word because of the God I serve. So, Mr. Cook, if we're serving a different god, have it your way--YOU KEEP YOURS. I'll keep mind.
A fleshly body could not contain all of God. The Jews and Muslims make fun of Christians because we call ourselves "monotheistic" But only the oneness believe GOD IS ONE John1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.The Word is Jesus. How do we know? John1:14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us SO...John1:3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made thats means the Word(Jesus) did Genisis1:1
zzZzzZZz Snooze fest to Mr. Cook. Genesis 1:26 is on the second page in my Bible, so your wrong right off LOL Figures you would readout of NAS. Where is the anointing, no disrespect but it sounds like we are at a Catholic church. The trinity was devised by man somewhere in 300-350 AD so this guy is wrong again
I was at this service. before the service when gene cook was announced a little girl died. all us apostolics gathered around her and she came back to life. her parents who were rich trinaitarians tried to pay us after but we said no and laid our hands on them and they spoke in tongues the whole service in the back. then the debate ran late so we prayed that the sun would stand still and it did, for 4 hours.
The guy who believes in the trinity in these videos (sorry, I don't know his name) is very confused on what "Let Us make man in Our image" phrase. "Us" and "Our" isn't plural in the sense of multiple numbers. If he knew anything about Semitic languages, he'd know that when you pluralize words like that, it's out of respect and reverence. This is the danger of people ONLY staying within their own little "worship bubbles" and not learning everything as a whole. Learn the Hebrew language!!!
So who was Yeshua praying to in the Bible? Also, why did He always say things like "don't give me credit, give the One who sent Me credit"? It's hard for the human mind to wrap around this nature of God. I think the contradictions come from human error perhaps. Would the "Oneness" and "Incarnation" theories be like the Hindus believe about Vishnu being the One Supreme God being incarnated into the flesh form of Krishna? Any answers would be nice. God bless.
@Jesavee i can interpet the sky to be green but if God made the sky blue then my interpetation is wrong why don't we just go with what God meant not what we think
Poor trinitarian guy he looked like he started to get scared that's what the truth would do to you scare the hell out of you it's ok Jesus died for the sinners but you must repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ
Scriptures only use the word persons to describe human nature, NOT God or anything heavenly. So ask questions but don't just except any ridiculous answer most trinitarians give you when you corner them with the truth or just common sense.
So jesus created heaven where God the Father dwells? The Bible says he was slain before the foundation of the world. Yet he was not slain until calvary. So was the Son slain twice?
..........the concept of a triune God is not found in the bible?? are you serious? What about the vision of Daniel? The ancient of Days? the son of man? the fire on the throne? clearly thats a BIBLICAL Concept
To all of you, who believe that God is a Trinity! Hear my words...You believe so because that is what the dogma of your church thought you. Hearing about the trinity first, then reading the bible, of course you'll think of it as a biblical concept. Imagine, you never knew about the trinity doctrine, then you read the bible, you'll never see that concept that you thought there was!
Zechariah 2:8-11 (Septuagint) "He behind glory sent Me" against the nations that plundered you. JESUS IS speaking here for the Lord of Hosts, and the one referred to as "I" and "Me." He tells Israel that the Lord of Hosts has sent Me unto the nations (Gentiles) which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of His (the Lord of Host's) eye . I (Messiah) will shake My hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and you shall know that the Lord of Hosts hath sent Me
he said about one minute into his debat Rev. Cook explained that because he and rev. bernard had differing veiws they worship different gods. that there proves he confused from the out set God exists in one form accross many religions the god abraham and mosses is the god of everthing. if god wanted to split himslef he would allow other gods put above him.
The problem with this conversation is God's interpertation of One and Three.These men are both right and wrong. Because they make difference on three and one.God'sThree Persons are One and His One are Three.He is indivisible One, Three is never understood to God as plural.He is simultaneous conversation but communicating as if there were possible difference .When there is none.God communicating to man what man can never understand the eternal Oneness of God with no possible difference as Three.
Not only is the word trinity not found in the bible, but the concept of a triune God is not found in the bible either. If you listen to Gene Cook he decribes Gen 1:26 with saying God created God, what error. If Jesus is Jehovah, but the father is distinct from the son, Cook really needs help. He tried the best he could, but the fact is God is not a Triune God. Cook says that Hebrews 1:8 God is speaking to God, that would be 2 gods Mr. Cook.
you are completely wrong in what you say. Oneness is not found in bible either. You need help to not twist what other people say. Mr. Bernard tried the best he could but doesn't respect grammar and goes around looking how to say something Bible doesn't say. God is One, there is just One God. The Father is distinct to the Son and to the Holy Ghost. All christians believe that cause is biblical. The Son prayed to the Father, anorther conforter, us, both, I'm not alone, he is with me, etc, easy.
Oneness is found in the bible. The greatest commandment is this: Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. One in the Hebrew is Echad. Numerically one. Jews were not wrong in believing in numerically one God, and they still are not, they were wrong in denying that he manifest himself in Jesus, rather than as a king to wipe out their enemies at that time.
@dktacts23 "Hebrews 1:8 God is speaking to God, that would be 2 gods Mr. Cook." Nope it's two persons of the one God speaking to each other to show us that Jesus is God, the whole point of Hebrews chapter 1 and the whole book was to establish Jesus deity to the Jews which was the people whom the writer had in mind. Keep in mind that if Jesus is not God than he can't be our savior because only God is our savior.
Jn.6:38-- Who's "will" did Jesus come "to do"? His own? or the Father's?
Jn.6:44-- Who does the "sending"? Who does the "drawing"? The Father, in both cases. Who does the "raising up at the last day"? Jesus Himself. Seems there are at least two different "who's", in these simple passages.
Acts.1:11-- Jesus is where? in bodily form? Heaven.
Acts.5:3-4--Who did Ananias and Sapphira lie to? Where was the H.G.? On earth. But Jesus was in Heaven. Must be a different "who". 3 "who's"
jn 6:38 Jesus is talking about the father which dwells in him the spirit of God. You have a spirit I have a spirit Jesus spirit was that of God. thats why Jesus says the father is greater than I his spirit is greater than the flesh when God came in flesh as jesushe was like a man felt pain cried all the emotions of human. God is in Jesus and in heaven at the same tim he can be everwhere at once. Bible says God can be everywhere. If you say that God cannot be everywhere than you take away power
But it seems in Jn.6:38 that Jesus is saying He came down from heaven. Assuming heaven is a place (which I most certainly do), then he Father is in heaven, because Jesus just said (v.39) that the Father "sent Him"(Jesus). Where did the Father send Jesus from? Heaven. Where was the Father at the time of Jesus' words in Jn.6:38-39? In heaven. Yes, the person of the Holy Spirit is everywhere at all times, not the Father or the Son: they are clearly in heaven.
The father did send him from heaven but the father was dwelling in him too and was in heaven. If the Holy Spirit is everywhere but the father and son are in different places then you have three different people completely but God is spirit this is the spirit world we are talking about. let me ask you this why does the father give the son all his power now the father has no power because he gave it all away. How can a king set on a throne with no power
I believe that is the point I'm trying to make, that there are three different people, persons; not three different gods. You're making excellent points.
"...now the Father has no power because He gave it all away.." Well that assumes that just because the Father gives His authority to the Son, that the Father has none left of His own. I believe the Father elevates the Son to the highest (Phil.2:9), but this doesn't take away anything from the Father.
but he has all power. See I believe the father still has all the power because he is Jesus and Jesus is he. Yes the name becomes elevated because this name now becomes the only name where by we must be saved the name of the father will not save you. The only way to the father is through Jesus you have to believe that Jesus is the way. There is not alot of disagreement here just on the deity I can only see God as one these are all different ways God has showed his self to man
Ahem, you said the NAME, but you gave three names. Just a question... What is the (SINGULAR) Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost? Cause unless I am mistaken, the Bible says to baptize in the NAME, not NAME(S).
Greetings! in the name of the Lord Jesus who is God most High.
Brother Cook is certainly a disciple of Satan whom do not know the one true God of all creation. I do pray that God Almighty stirred his heart unto true repentance and true faith in his only begotten (not eternally begotten) Son Jesus Christ that he may be born again according to the truth of the scriptures that he may firmly and solidly hold to the oneness of God.
If Jesus was present during creation... don't you have to have a mother to be born and wasn't she born a couple HUNDRED years AFTER creation... and thus God being manifested in the flesh! and so on... more to come... still got 3mins left on the video....hahaha!
"Eternally begotten" WHAT THE??? Ok what does BEGOTTEN MEAN?? It means to be born. sooo is Jesus being born eternally? haha or, um ok he was born... but when? if he is eternal... when did he begin? when was he born? ENGLISH DUDE!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS COMING OUT OF YOUR MOUTH?.... "Don't anybody understand the words coming out of his mouth."- Chris Tucker, Rush Hour haha!
I just hear excuses. Where are the scriptures? "...and I don't worship the ONE God... I have several gods and I'm confused on which god has which role." - Cook
He also threw out the money changers from the temple for their wrong doing, he was NOT nice about that. He also completely destroyed Sodom and its sister city for sin. YES God was humble, but when it comes to truth and following the straight and narrow, and getting things right, he was more harsh than many people posting here. We are not striking people dead for spreading lies. What WOULD Jesus do? hmmmm
i would like to say that the poster is lying about the trinitarians. We are not tritheists. That is not what trinitarians beieve and he is lying about our belief and giving false information to his listeners
Unitarians always assume that Trinitarians don't believe in a 'unity' within the Godhead. This is a false assertion. The very word Trinity is a conjunction of two words: Tri=three, and Unity=one. Literally the word Trinity means: three in oneness, or, 'three-ness' in 'oneness'. You affirm the latter part of the word Trinity, but deny the former part, 'Tri'.
Ok so I still dont understand, because the three one-ness still does not make any sense. The Bible does not ever mention "trinity," The three you refer to are ROLES of God. Not actual seperate one-ness-es... (see how weird this gets?) If we are to believe in God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, what do we do about the prince of peace? mighty God? Holy One? ...etc... now we have now we have six one-ness-es by your logic.
What a ridiculous assertion. It is always a good start before engaging in a dialogue, to actually learn what the other side believes. Again, more dishonesty by a Unitarian. You're really not representing your side very well.
I know what the "other side" believes, I cant get more than one trinitarian to say the same thing. They all seem to be confused about that another trinitarian believes, as evidenced by your remark. I am NOT being dishonest, I am trying to understand what you are saying, Why are you so hurt by this? Are you THAT insecure about your faith? That someone would DARE to ask a question? You did not answer ANY of my questions. I would like an answer. Starting with where to find "trinity" in the Bible.
I do not wish to take my Hebrew teacher's word for it but would rather study for myself to know the Truth. Whichever the camp, i believe that both are saved and gun should not be pointed at each other.
So it does no matter if I simply believe in one or three or six or twelve... As long as I believe I am saved? That is interesting. So the whole world is going to heaven, even those that simply don't believe in hell, just because they believe in a god. That is an awful lot of people. And a direct contradiction of what the Bible says. However I do applaud you for not just taking someones word for it, find for yourself! Its the only way to go, He is not just your leaders God, but yours as well!
However in my observations, the trinitarians are willing to answer your questions politely as opposed to the oneness guys that ridicule those that believe differently. Just my observations and not passing judgement. As for me, i am studying OT Hebrew to know more. My Hebrew teacher (who also is highly learned in NT Greek) studied to become a rabbi until he found Christ, says that scripture proves beyond a shadow of a doubt the doctrine of the trinity, eventhough that was not his stand previously
I am not alligned with either camp but am seeking the truth, i absolutely believe that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
I thought that the trinitarian guy was way off in dismissing the oneness camp for worshipping a different god, i believe that both camps worship the same God.
Jehovah is NOT God's name. If either one of them studied Hebrew, they'd know that jehovah means he who is full of mischief. The oneness guy claimed that Jesus' name is derived from jehovah, that is a fallacy. God's name is YHWH, or Yod Hei Wau Hei when spelt in Hebrew, We are not meant to pronounce HIS name as it's Holy.
Why do pentecostals care so much about this stupid issue? Trinitarians just don't care about it, and why should they? It doesn't matter ultimately for salvation.
That's fine but one wonders why Jesus was so concerned about who men said that he was and when Peter got the revelation Jesus' response was "Upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Your right though. I don't know why Jesus was so concerned about such an issue seeing it's so irrelevant to salvation. Mt. 16:13-18
So I could baptize someone in the name of Sam and they are saved? or How about simply sprinkling them when immersion in water is clearly given as the correct way for baptism. I dont know about you, but I would rather get it right, then take your word for it and hope that when God comes that you were right. I would'nt buy a Chevy with a Rolls Royce badge on it, It would make me just a LITTLE unsure about the car. I MIGHT get the idea I was being lied to... hmm.
You're like every other pentecostal who desperately tries to argue your case on this matter. Eventually, you'll get to a point in your life where you've argued so much and have met some really strong trinitarian Christians who have great relationships with God, and you too will decide that all these stupid semantics only serve to dampen your walk with God.
If that were true the world would be made up of trinitarian, it is not. When God says He is one, not part of three that make up one, I believe Him. And I have met and respect strong trinitarians. I respect them for their commitment, dedication, and loyalty to their god! However blindly they follow. There is ONE true God and even trinitarian in this debate said that we must not serve the same god. THAT is why it is so important to me.
Now when I say he reprimanded him, I don't mean he flipped out on him. Maybe that's what you think I'm assuming---that he "went off" on him. I don't think that at all. However, he obviously was correcting him. I hope you don't think that's an assumption---just the mere fact that he was correcting him. You do think he was correcting him right? So far that's all the facts I've stated so please tell me what I'm assuming. Everything else has been questions based upon the facts I just went over again
I didn't mean that last statement to be a smart ellic. I said it simply thinking outloud the confusion that would have been in the mind of Phillip seeing that other personage. Please make clear to me exactly the things I've assumed because here's all I've said so far. Phillip was obviously confused by even making the request. If he wasn't then Jesus's response would not have been what it was. Is this what you think I'm assuming? Or is it the fact that Jesus reprimanded him for it? Cont. next...
Your last question concerning Phillip seeing the other personage where you said "What was the problem with that?" That's what I'd like to know. I'm not the one that had a problem with his request, Jesus was the one who had a problem with it. Maybe we should ask him. He's the one that reprimanded him for it. If I was Phillip I would have said to Jesus, "Well you're both distinct persons right so how does that indicate I don't know you? I'd still like to see him if you don't mind.
I don't understand why you would not have taken Jesus (THE almighty God) at his word. "If you have seen me, you have seen the father." or in another area, "I and my father are one" What is so confusing about that? Is Jesus NOT speaking clearly? IF you are trying to stick to the "middle" ground I get that. But it is clearly stated. If you asked John the baptist if you could see "the baptist", and he said, "that's me", and you replied, I'd still like to see him if you don't mind." cont....
It is very educational, from an apologetic standpoint, to view Muslims us the same arguments in order to attempt to destroy the belief in the divinity of Christ. Muslims always tend to assume Unitarianism. If Unitarianism were true, their arguments would hold up.
Why can't you take Jn.14:9; 10:30 in context? with the REST of the passage? Such dishonesty from Unitarianism.
you need to take the bible for what it says if it says that I and the father are one than they are one how do you twist that and make it two. The bible says there is one God only. The only way is JESUS there is no other way he has all the power so I wonder than why the father gave all his power away JESUS is the father praise the name of JESUS he is my GOD almighty.
Are you referring to my questions on the passages I cited (Jn.6:38,44; Acts 1:11; 5:3-4). I believe I asked some fairly logical questions about these passages. If not, are there better questions than the ones I asked, that pertain to the topic of Unitarianism vs. Trinitarianism?
I can also equate you with muslims. They are full of hate, everyone who does not believe what they believe is an infidel and dishonest. Why cant you use the rest of the Bible yourself in context. "If you have seen me you have seen the Father," "I and my father are one." He does not say "I and my father are part of the trinity," or " i resemble my father but he is somewhere else" Take it for what he was saying. HE WAS the father, robed in flesh. 1 Tim 3:16.
Colossians 2:6- (6)As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:(7)Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.(8)Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, (Why I asked for the trinity in the bible earlier, Trinitarianism is QUITE the tradition) after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
The word "Trinity" is not found in the Bible. Neither is the word "Bible" or, especially for you, "Unitarianism". It's a bad argument to disclaim the doctrine of the Trinity simply because the word isn't found in Scripture. The Trinity is a doctrine we exegete from the totality of the Scriptures.
(9)For in him dwelleth all(ALL not part of...) the fulness (again not part of...) of the Godhead bodily. (10)And ye are complete in him, which is the head (THE head, not part of the trinity) of all principality and power:..... If "god the father" was the FATHER of Jesus, and thus came before him (another subject all together) How is Jesus the head of ALL POWER? I know you are going to say they are co-equal, and co-eternal, but then why God say he was "manifest in the flesh"? Was that not Jesus?
First, you make a false assertions that Trinitarians believe that only "part" of Deity dwells in each person the Trinity. Of course this is far from the truth.
Second: Col.2:9 is noted by many, to be one of the first anti-gnostic polemics in Scripture. They thought Christ was just a "spirit-being", not fleshly (human). Paul is arguing against an early false teaching known as Docetism (to "seem").
1Tim.3:16-- The Son took upon human flesh. I don't know what is so difficult about that.
yeah but dont you believe that Jesus is the second part of the trinity? and the second person in the Godhead? that is looking at Jesus as a part and not fully God. it seems that in your view Jesus is the second person next to God who has the same nature as God but is not fully God.
I think you misunderstand (or willingly misrepresent) the Trinitarian position. Jesus, the eternal Son of God, is the 2nd person of the Trinity, not the "second part". He shares the same nature as the Father and the Holy Spirit. No created being shares in the deity of the One True God.
He might think it a little strange that even though he just explained in very simple terms that you were looking at who you wanted to see, and there was nobody else, and yet you still want to see him.
Now wait a second. I never said what I believe. I'm speaking totally from the middle ground trying to decide what's true. Correction--I never assumed Phillip erred in his thinking; Jesus himself took his request as an insult claiming Phillip did not know him because of what he requested. So since we know Phillip did not have a clear view of Jesus and the FATHER, the sensible and logical question remains--What was his thinking on the matter? It was erred which was proved by Jesus's response.
First, I don't think they (the apostles) denied the divinity of Jesus? From what I've gather so far, they do understand the fact that he's divine. My question has nothing to do with that. Jesus said to Phillip, "thou hast not known me" when he requested to see the Father. So to answer the other ?, it was Phillip who did not KNOW Jesus evidently. He was obviously confused about the Godhead. He had the wrong concept. Again, what was his error in thinking when he requested to see the FATHER? Clear?
Hey john146only, I'm waiting for a response. It looks like your last comment may have been directed to someone else you are talking to. I know these comments can get all jumbled up sometimes but can you give me your thoughts on my last statement?
"How does God see it?" is a fine question but here's the problem. Nobody can seem to agree on how God sees it so here is a factual statement that absolutely nobody can disagree with. He, being God, is either one person or more than one person. Right? Right, so having said that it would be totaly incorrect to say finding out what Phillip's confusion was is not important because understanding that would inevitably quicken our understanding as to how Jesus saw it. So how did Phillip view it?
Sorry it took a while to respond. To clarify my question, what I'm trying to ask is how Phillip viewed the GODHEAD at that point in time when he asked such a question. Did he see them as one person or two? While we know there was obviously confusion in his mind seeing as how Jesus answered him, what was his confusion because (not that I claim to have the answer) but if we can figure out how he saw the GODHEAD the opposite would have to be right.
The Lord our God is one Lord,yes.But what about Ps.110:1?How do you define Lord?According to this scripture there are two different meanings here.Who was Jesus praying to in the garden?Who was He speaking to on the cross?What about 1 Corr.11:3?What about 1Jn.2:22-23?
I am NOT a trinitarian, I do believe in the oneness of God "One Lord, One faith, One baptism".... But FINALLY! I commend you on actually using scripture. I have yet to meet a trinitarian that can give me more than mere opinion in trying to explain their belief. "Hear oh Israel, the Lord our God is One Lord"... I could go on for a LONG time giving scriptures describing him as one, but just wanted to commend you on your question. Very good.
Speaking unbiasedly and just wondering in John 14 when Phillip asked Jesus to see the Father so it would suffice them which by the way blows me away because he basically just told Jesus he was not enough for them, anyway back to the real question---how did Phillip at that point view the Godhead. Did he see it as a trinitarian or a oneness. When Jesus said to him he did not know him, who did he THINK he was?
(Mat 1:18 KJV) "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."
Believe in the trinity if you want, It was made up by a man named tertullian and if you wanna follow him go right ahead, But im gonna follow what God said.
Hear o israel the Lord our God is one Lord! If God wasnt manifest in the flesh then Jesus' crucifixtion wouldnt be valid. What good would it do for a man to die for a man. It wouldnt have worked. It took God robing Himself in flesh as Jesus Christ and dying on the cross. Then it was God a higher sacrifice dying for man. Its the only way.
i have a comment. what good did these two men do with there debate. none. I say love and only love is the truth of who or what god is. If he exist in 3 or 1 will not matter if the world goes to hell. now i dont say this in a trinity belief. i have recieved the revelation of oneness. i remember what i was doing and what year. 1998. but i never won anyone to god by debating oneness. i just showed them love. god did the rest.
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God only needs truth, so only logical and facts should support truth. God will give you the answers rather than believe a lie.
Jewish prospective below and Christian from east. both are logical with facts. Oneness is half truth and implied authority over God word.
A Jewish Christian Explains the Holy Trinity... on you tube This is Dr. Michael Brown
The Law of Non-Contradiction and the Trinity ...... on you tube Ravi Zacharias
Three Gods in One?! Donate to Jews for Jesus Rich Robins...
MrHellowwww1 1 month ago
Revelation tells us that The Word was Jesus. So Jesus existed before creation!
God4l4l 1 month ago
in the beginning Was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God. John1:1
What is Word??..
the Word was a thougth that express.. see, the Word was the very thougth Of God.. and God and his thougth are One..
TheEli1963 2 months ago
We call on Jesus today to be that Master of our own life to change our old ways for His way and who enter our life to fill us w/ His righteousness? Is it the Son in human form or is it the Son in Spirit form? The Spirit form and that is the Holy Spirit in Jesus name to the glory of the one true God, the Father in the name of Jesus. As the Father He is the God of creation as the Son He is the God of redemption & as the Holy Spirit He is the God of regeneration to fill believers w/ righteousness
zedrev01 2 months ago
(Rev 3:20 Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me.)
The Lord is speaking here. Now if an unbeliever will take a step in this and ask Jesus to come into his heart, will the manifestation of the Son [human flesh] be in that mans heart? Of course not. It will be the Holy Spirit in Jesus name.
zedrev01 2 months ago
...and that WORD is also the son that will be manifested in the flesh so every thing that comes out from the lips of the Son in His days here on earth comes from the Father. The Son is no different from the Father as the Word is no different from the one true God mentioned in John 1:1. Only in different roles does our One God manifest himself to us.
zedrev01 2 months ago
at 6:13 God created everything through him, and nothing was created except through him.
who is this 'him' at the time of creation? the prophets knew that there was God when God spoke to them? how did the prophets knew that it was that one God? Of course that one God did not say I am the Father talking today or I am the Son talking for now or the Holy Spirit talking. It is always that one God talking and they knew because a voice is talking and out of that voice is a WORD they hear...
zedrev01 2 months ago
at 5.49 Mr trinitarian what do you mean'that God implies that the son was present in creation"?Are they seperate in being? If that be so what is the nature of the son then as you say the son was present in creation
zedrev01 2 months ago
The telephone when we speak you can hear a voice. What if that voice having a word have a power to pop out in your fone and materialize physically in front of you and say what I say in the other line, that would still be me. Even the power of God can do more than what you can think of.But God is one.
zedrev01 2 months ago
And the Word became flesh John 1:14 in the fulfillment of Isaiah 9:6.Only then was the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. With flesh and blood, to be the sacrificial lamb. God of creation is only one God at that time with the Word coming from His spiritual lips.
You as human being do also speak of a word. If for example you have that power to make your word to be a human being too and travel in all parts of the world to send your message throughout the universe, that would still be you.
zedrev01 2 months ago
at 5:46 trinitarian said, ' the Father made the world by the Son. Of course that is true but the trinitarian pastor understanding is so short. His explanation is in the way the world understands it.Physical and literal. God is spiritual in nature so let us look it that way. God being a Spirit made all creation by His Word. And what is the nature of the Word that came from God. A Spirit not yet manifested in the flesh. God, the Father s a Holy Spirit that created all things through His Word
zedrev01 2 months ago
The true image of God is a Spirit.but as God he wrestled with Jacob as an angel, He talked to Moses as a burning bush, He was the commander of the army talking to Joshua, etc. and that one God, the invisible God who is a spirit, who is the Word manifested into flesh (Son). The Son or humanity of Jesus was not yet at the moment of creation. There is only one God talking and not two nor three. The Son (flesh, human form) was yet to be born as Isaiah 9:6 prophesied
zedrev01 2 months ago
at 5:16 Trinitatrian - 'We find God here speaking to the Son' that makes two not one.The Son(flesh,human form) was yet to be born in a manger. And the Word became flesh (John 1:14) God image is a spirit as well as the angels. Now is our image also a spirit? Yes. Our inner man is the image of God. Not this mortal body. What we have within is immortal that will be either in eternal death or eternal life in the judgement of God. But d mortal body He will replace with a glorified body like d Son
zedrev01 2 months ago
This man trinitarian is speaking in his own understanding saying The Father is there, as well as the Son and the Holy Spirit. Making it three distinct being. I am no bible scholar and never been in any debate nor I was a pastor or leader of any christian church but the Son being the flesh was not yet there for that one God, the Father is a Spirit is the only One that is there with His subjects.
zedrev01 2 months ago
at 2:17 Trinitarian Statement -The Father and the Son exist in the same place at the same time and they are in fact separate persons. Hmmmm? how many is God is that? He quoted Gen 1:26- Let US make man.... Who is that us? The trinitarian is explaining in his own understanding. No verse support of 'us'. Us is his subject and He, the Father of Creation is only one God and no other else at that time. For if there is another beside Him then Isaiah 45:22 & 46:9 is against it.
zedrev01 2 months ago
Why does it say in the description, "oneness vs tritheism"? I believe its Trinity! Tritheism, is NOT the same thing. Might want to get that checked out.
Haukman66 3 months ago
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moisesokok 4 months ago
@hammondman2 1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. The word rapture is not found in the bible but it is true about what is said about it
Brotherfireball1988 4 months ago
Eternally Begotten???? That is an oxymoron. Eternal-Everlasting from the Begining of Time, No Begining. Begotton- Had aBegining. Begot & Begat- Begin & Began. Some Trinitarians need 2Watch there words in defending their Heresy.
JIIBlessed 5 months ago
3 persons. The Son had a beginning: Pro 8.22-30 (God has never been without wisdom). The Son is not the Father but is an other self of Him who is the Father (double): Luke 6.12; John 14.9a 'I', 'ME', the Holy Spirit too: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'another'.
3 personnes. Le Fils a un début: Pro 8.22-30 (Dieu n'a jamais été sans sagesse). Le Fils n'est pas le Père mais est UN AUTRE LUI-MÊME de CELUI qui est le Père (double): Luc 6.12; Jn 14.9a 'JE', 'M'as'; l'Esprit-Saint aussi: Ro 8.27; Jn 14.16 'AUTRE'.
BibleFrW 5 months ago
Jesus is the rock, Mathew 7:24-25 and Luke 6:48 both all talk about building a house upon a ROCK, not ROCKS. If I built my house, I would surely want a firm, single, ONE foundation. If I built a house on a foundation that was split up, it would definately fall. The same is with God and the God head. He is the rock, you cant split it up, its as simple as that, and there is definatley a lot more examples that God is one "being" not three seperate entities.
MrJLW100 5 months ago
When the Bible says let us make man in our own image, The Lord was talking to the Earth and the Earth obeyed him as we were made from the dust of the Earth and then God breathed the breath of life (his spirit) in us. The Sun also obeyed The Lord when The Lord said Let there be light. Corinthians says we are Earthy and we are spirit...that's what we are made up of....every element in the earth is in us..even magma in a form
stedmans4christ 6 months ago
GOD is not 1+1+1= 3 gods GOD is 1x1x1= 1 GOD that manifest in 3 persons which is the FATHER,SON And The HOLY GHOST.................
lljayeee 7 months ago
Both of these men I believe are Evangelical Protestants & what's amazing is that they each preach from the same Bible & still don't agree. Are you people afraid of inviting an LDS scholar to these debates? lol
leSavaii 7 months ago
@leSavaii LDS scholar?? they are not the true church .. ely soriano is the most authority when it comes to bible knowledge and understanding.. check i the youtube.
jeslyfirefox 7 months ago
@jeslyfirefox....And who of these two self-proclaimed Protestant Christians is telling the truth? Check the truth out from God & not from the Bible or YouTube.
leSavaii 7 months ago
@leSavaii nobody ,either two of them tell the truth. the truth about God is in the bible. what ae u talking about huh??
jeslyfirefox 7 months ago
@jeslyfirefox...What are you talking about? The truth about God is not in the Bible..it remains with God & you have to earn it by dropping on those two knee-caps & ask Him in His Son's Name with sincerity....stop worshiping the Bible or even your pastors.
leSavaii 7 months ago
@leSavaii are u nuts? christians dont worship the bible its a book a word of GOD translated into diferent languages and dictated by HIM to those people in the ancient times of Moses and Abraham for our knowing of HIM. your minds is so clouded. where do you get that belief and philosphy about GOD is not in the Bible??? the Bible is not an ordinary books it was iinspired by God. How dare you to say that God is not in the Bible??
jeslyfirefox 7 months ago
@jeslyfirefox...So it seems like that you do have reading problems thus far...or certainly you can read but you can't comprehend what you're reading....howz dat? If you really wanna know & learn about God...read this passage to yourself (JAMES.1:5) & DO EXACTLY WHAT IT'S SAYS. God knows better about Himself than the Bible or any of your preachers. Go figure dude!
leSavaii 7 months ago
@leSavaii i dont have reading problems it looks like you are? you dont believe the bible is the word of God. so you dont follow jesus teaching. may I ask you are you a mormons??
jeslyfirefox 7 months ago
@jeslyfirefox...Obviously, you don't understand what you read, but here's a question for ya mate...WHO KNOWS BETTER ABOUT GOD?...God Himself...not from a book or from anybody, so read this again (JAMES.1:5) That's what the Bible tells you to do. Cheers!
leSavaii 7 months ago
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I am saved and believe in Jesus. The Music is great.
After a review of Oneness, how can it be true? Jesus said in Matthew 27:46
46 About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, “Eli, Eli,[c] lema sabachthani?” (which means “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”).[d]
Since Jesus words are true, the Father had left Jesus.
If Jesus Flesh was speaking, Jesus Flesh would not be God and could not pay for our sins. It is just image of God, but that is not God.
MrHellowwww1 7 months ago
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bro william Branham said that both trinity and oneness are BOTH WRONG!
he said when you get it between oneness and trinity you will get it exaclty right.
some if the in between terminology that he used was Jesus was a Dual person, Father and Son were inseperable or yoked together.
God and Christ were in divine fellowship. that is why when Jesus said I have sat down with my Father on His throne yet John only saw ONE sitting upon the throne
dieselcowboy777 9 months ago
TRINITY IS WORKING TOGETHER FOR OUR SALVATION
1. John 10:28 Jesus HOLDING you
2. John 10:29 Father HOLDING you
3. Ephesians 4:30 you are SEALED by the Holy Spirit
3NITY IS WORKING TOGETHER FOR OUR SALVATION
mbcchoir 9 months ago
If a King said, "Let us go into battle and into war with our enemies?" Does that mean that "us" mean more than one king? Is the King saying there's more kings? When the Lord said "let us scatter the language" (Gen 11:7) I don't believe God means more lords, because we know there's one. People want to say "Let us make man in our image" but the next verse, it also states God created man in "HIS" own image. Singular. In another thing, it doesn't say GODS created, but GOD created man. ONE GOD
MrSuperEman 11 months ago
I hear the argument all the time that the Trinity is not mentioned in the Bible among Oneness Pentecostals but the word "Rapture" which they use greatly is not either.
hammondman2 11 months ago
The word became flesh!!!!!! It means Jesus I Lord. One GOD.
Is very sad people read and read the bible but dont understand and make doctine of one scripture. one thing i do understand is the the revelation of his name comes from Jesus him self....
IS only One God... the book of James 2:19 states " Thou belivest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble." i doent get more clear than this!!!!!!!
jGama777 11 months ago 3
" Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was. " (John 17:5, NASB)
" Father, I desire that they also, whom You have given Me, be with Me where I am, so that they may see My glory which You have given Me, for You loved Me before the foundation of the world. " (John 17:24, NASB)
ETHANGELIST 11 months ago
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Did Jesus come for peace?
Luke-ch-12-vs-51
Do you imagine I came to give peace on the earth? No, indeed, I tell you, but rather division.52-for from now on there will be five in one house divided, three against two and two against three. 53-they will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against her mother, and mother-in-law against her daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother –in-law.
quranresponse 1 year ago
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Quran:
{Surah-112- the unity (ikhlas)-vs-1}
Say: he, Allah, is one.
2-Allah is on whom all depend.
3-he begets not, nor is he begotten.
4-and none is like him.
quranresponse 1 year ago
If i give you a check for $100,000.00, and i sign "son" on the bottom, or "father" were the signers signature belongs would you be able to cash it in? Why NOT? Because one of my [titles] are not valid. The check needs a valid signature. “My NAME”
OneGodActs238 1 year ago 6
@OneGodActs238 God did not say they were titles. Your faith defined them as titles. Are you limiting God? Jesus said in M 28.19 in the name of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Even if God has a name, Jesus defined God as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost. Both parts are true. Do you have the right to change God word or Jesus word? He said them for a reason.
MrHellowwww1 1 month ago
I myself am a Hebrew and Greek student, and I must confirm, not everything my brother is saying here, but I must confirm the scriptures. One must understand that the word Trinity is not found in the Bible but the concept is there. But how do I know this? Well if one could show that there is (1) God is three persons in other words the son never does the fathers act and the spirt the sons role. (2) Each person is fully God, (3) and God is one. Then logically Gods has to beTriune.
deanbeats19 1 year ago
@deanbeats19 Where in scripture does God say that he is triune? It doesn't.
111989DOH 1 year ago
i am right
deanbeats19 1 year ago
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religion = mental illness
luxfair 1 year ago
Is he calling him "mr Bernard" to make a point that he doesnt respect his ministry?...how sad
stratphil 1 year ago
bro william branham said oneness and trinity is BOTH wrong! he said when you get it in between these 2 schools of thought you will get it just exactly. of course 2ness is wrong like the mormons and jehovah witness preach too
bro branham taught that Jesus was a DUAL person OR Father and Son YOKED together OR Father and Son inseperable
dieselcowboy777 1 year ago
Im so glad the baptist faith picked Mr. Cook to represent them..."We dont worship the same God".
After hearing such an arrogant and ignorant statement, Im glad Im not one of them...
jerryfudala 1 year ago
"Let US" "In OUR"
Yes God is speaking about himself in plural BUT we are english speaking people in HEBREW & semantic languages there is a PLURAL OF RESPECT, not only of numbers. Even in Gen 1:1 the name of (In the begenning God (Elohim) made the heavens and earth) is a plural of God, are you going to translate it to GODS? No, this is because there is only 1 god, and this is a PLURAL OF RESPECT!
I cant belive pastors are twisting the text to fool non-learned average people. GOD IS NOT A MAN!
MrsHamdulila 1 year ago
@MrsHamdulila Than why not change the text to meaning I and me. Why not change Genesis 1:26 to "God said, let me create man in my image and according to my likeness." Why would Moses use the Hebrew word with respect to persons? I've heard many explanation like yours from muslims and I say that you are all wrong. Right from the get go we see God referring to Himself as a plural of persons, there is no other explanation.
cubed07 1 year ago
@MrsHamdulila I've heard of this before, but do not know Hebrew....
I wish I could read the original text verbatim in the original text/ with someone who could explain it through the meaning of it in it's original language
DougDiug 1 year ago
video # 3 thats an opinion and boring
Apostolmcqueen 1 year ago
How about we simply accept what the Bible says about God instead of attempting to define Him.
haszK 1 year ago
@haszK You hypocrite, You define Him as Oneness. While some define Him as Trinity, never the less, they are both definitions of His nature.
Remove the plank from your own eye, before you complain about someones speck.
MrMeanAndNasty 1 year ago
Mr. Cook says, we are talking about two different God. that satement shows that the oneness believer is wrong in understanding the doctrine of Trinity.. God is one and manifest in three different entity. distinct from each other,i n character and role.
TheGodwithusalways 1 year ago
Nice presentation coming from pro trinity debater, he has presented a solid proof how Trinity becomes right. The debater of oneness failed in proving by saying that we worship different God. This debate Shows how the oneness doctrine is half cooked.
TheGodwithusalways 1 year ago
Nice presentation coming from the defender of the trinity, It proves how trinity is right in doctrine.
TheGodwithusalways 1 year ago
I pray for a revelation of God to the body of christ so that it releases us from all of this division, Jesus tells us how precious we are to him and how important we are that God sent his only son to die on the cross for us and yet here we are arguing. We are suppose to be the light of the world going in to the dark places and bringing them the life which is light but yet here we are arguing, let us walk in the love of God in the fruits of the spirit and fight against the enemy not brethren
dirtylurka 1 year ago
Gene Cook says trinity and oneness people worship different gods...wow. Well, the God I worship saved me from my sin, filled me with the Holy Ghost, filled me with joy and peace, and gave me something worth living for. I love the Lord Jesus Christ and endeavor to honor God's word because of the God I serve. So, Mr. Cook, if we're serving a different god, have it your way--YOU KEEP YOURS. I'll keep mind.
TroyLFullerton 1 year ago
IT IS NOT IN THE BEGINNING GODS CREATED...IT IS GOD
labudda1on1 1 year ago
Let us make God in our image refers to God's angels. God has angels, Satan was an angel, So the Spirit and God and Jesus all have bodily form as man?
labudda1on1 1 year ago
A fleshly body could not contain all of God. The Jews and Muslims make fun of Christians because we call ourselves "monotheistic" But only the oneness believe GOD IS ONE John1:1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.The Word is Jesus. How do we know? John1:14And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us SO...John1:3All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made thats means the Word(Jesus) did Genisis1:1
labudda1on1 1 year ago
@atestring AMEN
labudda1on1 1 year ago
zzZzzZZz Snooze fest to Mr. Cook. Genesis 1:26 is on the second page in my Bible, so your wrong right off LOL Figures you would readout of NAS. Where is the anointing, no disrespect but it sounds like we are at a Catholic church. The trinity was devised by man somewhere in 300-350 AD so this guy is wrong again
labudda1on1 1 year ago
zzZzzZZz Snooze fest to the second guy
labudda1on1 1 year ago
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I was at this service. before the service when gene cook was announced a little girl died. all us apostolics gathered around her and she came back to life. her parents who were rich trinaitarians tried to pay us after but we said no and laid our hands on them and they spoke in tongues the whole service in the back. then the debate ran late so we prayed that the sun would stand still and it did, for 4 hours.
ApostolicLove238 1 year ago
@atestring Amen Amen Amen...
mrmonkeybuns 1 year ago
The guy who believes in the trinity in these videos (sorry, I don't know his name) is very confused on what "Let Us make man in Our image" phrase. "Us" and "Our" isn't plural in the sense of multiple numbers. If he knew anything about Semitic languages, he'd know that when you pluralize words like that, it's out of respect and reverence. This is the danger of people ONLY staying within their own little "worship bubbles" and not learning everything as a whole. Learn the Hebrew language!!!
ghostgate82 1 year ago
So who was Yeshua praying to in the Bible? Also, why did He always say things like "don't give me credit, give the One who sent Me credit"? It's hard for the human mind to wrap around this nature of God. I think the contradictions come from human error perhaps. Would the "Oneness" and "Incarnation" theories be like the Hindus believe about Vishnu being the One Supreme God being incarnated into the flesh form of Krishna? Any answers would be nice. God bless.
ghostgate82 1 year ago
ITS A FACT THA GOD AND CHRIST ARE 1!!!!!!! JESUS IS GOD
AveryIam 1 year ago
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Jesavee 1 year ago
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Jesavee 1 year ago
@Jesavee i can interpet the sky to be green but if God made the sky blue then my interpetation is wrong why don't we just go with what God meant not what we think
kiiyo1 1 year ago
Poor trinitarian guy he looked like he started to get scared that's what the truth would do to you scare the hell out of you it's ok Jesus died for the sinners but you must repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ
Brotherfireball1988 1 year ago
Jesus Christ is the almighty God
erichathy222 1 year ago 2
Scriptures only use the word persons to describe human nature, NOT God or anything heavenly. So ask questions but don't just except any ridiculous answer most trinitarians give you when you corner them with the truth or just common sense.
Ilovjas 1 year ago
So jesus created heaven where God the Father dwells? The Bible says he was slain before the foundation of the world. Yet he was not slain until calvary. So was the Son slain twice?
lesterall 1 year ago
@lesterall Please give bible verses to back up your statement.
msudlp 1 year ago
read revelation 3:21
Saveal2 1 year ago
..........the concept of a triune God is not found in the bible?? are you serious? What about the vision of Daniel? The ancient of Days? the son of man? the fire on the throne? clearly thats a BIBLICAL Concept
WalterN23 1 year ago
To all of you, who believe that God is a Trinity! Hear my words...You believe so because that is what the dogma of your church thought you. Hearing about the trinity first, then reading the bible, of course you'll think of it as a biblical concept. Imagine, you never knew about the trinity doctrine, then you read the bible, you'll never see that concept that you thought there was!
SilverHydroxide 1 year ago 4
Zechariah 2:8-11 (Septuagint) "He behind glory sent Me" against the nations that plundered you. JESUS IS speaking here for the Lord of Hosts, and the one referred to as "I" and "Me." He tells Israel that the Lord of Hosts has sent Me unto the nations (Gentiles) which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of His (the Lord of Host's) eye . I (Messiah) will shake My hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and you shall know that the Lord of Hosts hath sent Me
HARLANGENEPARROTT 2 years ago
god is one not three in any way shape or form.
hen8167 2 years ago 22
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@hen8167
But Jesus is not GOD! Only YAHWEH!
Yesamuel 4 months ago
PERSON- a person have a body soul and spirit. if there ae three how could be this happen that there is three person...
its only one person of God its JESUS CHRIST..
Justsheldz 2 years ago
he said about one minute into his debat Rev. Cook explained that because he and rev. bernard had differing veiws they worship different gods. that there proves he confused from the out set God exists in one form accross many religions the god abraham and mosses is the god of everthing. if god wanted to split himslef he would allow other gods put above him.
how ever he didn't
BelieveBlueVideos 2 years ago
The problem with this conversation is God's interpertation of One and Three.These men are both right and wrong. Because they make difference on three and one.God'sThree Persons are One and His One are Three.He is indivisible One, Three is never understood to God as plural.He is simultaneous conversation but communicating as if there were possible difference .When there is none.God communicating to man what man can never understand the eternal Oneness of God with no possible difference as Three.
polopowers1 2 years ago
I have a burning question...How do either side explain when Stephen was being stoned...he said I see Jesus standing at the Father's right hand?
wesmarvan 2 years ago
Stephen also call Jesus God.
Act 7:59
And they stoned it Stephen, Calling upon God, and saying, Lord Jesus, receive my spirit.
Michael92486 2 years ago
Not only is the word trinity not found in the bible, but the concept of a triune God is not found in the bible either. If you listen to Gene Cook he decribes Gen 1:26 with saying God created God, what error. If Jesus is Jehovah, but the father is distinct from the son, Cook really needs help. He tried the best he could, but the fact is God is not a Triune God. Cook says that Hebrews 1:8 God is speaking to God, that would be 2 gods Mr. Cook.
dktacts23 2 years ago 17
you are completely wrong in what you say. Oneness is not found in bible either. You need help to not twist what other people say. Mr. Bernard tried the best he could but doesn't respect grammar and goes around looking how to say something Bible doesn't say. God is One, there is just One God. The Father is distinct to the Son and to the Holy Ghost. All christians believe that cause is biblical. The Son prayed to the Father, anorther conforter, us, both, I'm not alone, he is with me, etc, easy.
yesGodknows 2 years ago
Oneness is found in the bible. The greatest commandment is this: Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is one. One in the Hebrew is Echad. Numerically one. Jews were not wrong in believing in numerically one God, and they still are not, they were wrong in denying that he manifest himself in Jesus, rather than as a king to wipe out their enemies at that time.
goomee3d 2 years ago
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@dktacts23 "Hebrews 1:8 God is speaking to God, that would be 2 gods Mr. Cook." Nope it's two persons of the one God speaking to each other to show us that Jesus is God, the whole point of Hebrews chapter 1 and the whole book was to establish Jesus deity to the Jews which was the people whom the writer had in mind. Keep in mind that if Jesus is not God than he can't be our savior because only God is our savior.
cubed07 1 year ago
@dktacts23 WELL SAID!! THE CONCEPT OF THE TRINITY WAS NOT EVEN INVENTED UNTIL 325 AD AT THE COUNCIL OF NICIA
stedmans4christ 6 months ago
3:35 he says "Let us make GOD in our own image".
Probably innocent but really scared me.
SERVANTofYHVH 2 years ago
Jn.6:38-- Who's "will" did Jesus come "to do"? His own? or the Father's?
Jn.6:44-- Who does the "sending"? Who does the "drawing"? The Father, in both cases. Who does the "raising up at the last day"? Jesus Himself. Seems there are at least two different "who's", in these simple passages.
Acts.1:11-- Jesus is where? in bodily form? Heaven.
Acts.5:3-4--Who did Ananias and Sapphira lie to? Where was the H.G.? On earth. But Jesus was in Heaven. Must be a different "who". 3 "who's"
rkg62976 2 years ago
jn 6:38 Jesus is talking about the father which dwells in him the spirit of God. You have a spirit I have a spirit Jesus spirit was that of God. thats why Jesus says the father is greater than I his spirit is greater than the flesh when God came in flesh as jesushe was like a man felt pain cried all the emotions of human. God is in Jesus and in heaven at the same tim he can be everwhere at once. Bible says God can be everywhere. If you say that God cannot be everywhere than you take away power
cjohannesmann 2 years ago
But it seems in Jn.6:38 that Jesus is saying He came down from heaven. Assuming heaven is a place (which I most certainly do), then he Father is in heaven, because Jesus just said (v.39) that the Father "sent Him"(Jesus). Where did the Father send Jesus from? Heaven. Where was the Father at the time of Jesus' words in Jn.6:38-39? In heaven. Yes, the person of the Holy Spirit is everywhere at all times, not the Father or the Son: they are clearly in heaven.
rkg62976 2 years ago
The father did send him from heaven but the father was dwelling in him too and was in heaven. If the Holy Spirit is everywhere but the father and son are in different places then you have three different people completely but God is spirit this is the spirit world we are talking about. let me ask you this why does the father give the son all his power now the father has no power because he gave it all away. How can a king set on a throne with no power
cjohannesmann 2 years ago
I believe that is the point I'm trying to make, that there are three different people, persons; not three different gods. You're making excellent points.
"...now the Father has no power because He gave it all away.." Well that assumes that just because the Father gives His authority to the Son, that the Father has none left of His own. I believe the Father elevates the Son to the highest (Phil.2:9), but this doesn't take away anything from the Father.
rkg62976 2 years ago
but he has all power. See I believe the father still has all the power because he is Jesus and Jesus is he. Yes the name becomes elevated because this name now becomes the only name where by we must be saved the name of the father will not save you. The only way to the father is through Jesus you have to believe that Jesus is the way. There is not alot of disagreement here just on the deity I can only see God as one these are all different ways God has showed his self to man
cjohannesmann 2 years ago
I have to go the wife and kid are home time to get ready for church I will be back on here later night around 8pm enjoyed talking to you
cjohannesmann 2 years ago
Ahem, you said the NAME, but you gave three names. Just a question... What is the (SINGULAR) Name of the Father, Son and Holy Ghost? Cause unless I am mistaken, the Bible says to baptize in the NAME, not NAME(S).
Eastridge8645 2 years ago
Greetings! in the name of the Lord Jesus who is God most High.
Brother Cook is certainly a disciple of Satan whom do not know the one true God of all creation. I do pray that God Almighty stirred his heart unto true repentance and true faith in his only begotten (not eternally begotten) Son Jesus Christ that he may be born again according to the truth of the scriptures that he may firmly and solidly hold to the oneness of God.
God bless.
Marquest Burton
Truthknower 2 years ago
The Oness gives more glory To Jesus, more Power, etc...is that simple
IsaacBG84 2 years ago
I am on page with Cook
gibsonjammer1 2 years ago
If Jesus was present during creation... don't you have to have a mother to be born and wasn't she born a couple HUNDRED years AFTER creation... and thus God being manifested in the flesh! and so on... more to come... still got 3mins left on the video....hahaha!
Eastridge8645 2 years ago
"Eternally begotten" WHAT THE??? Ok what does BEGOTTEN MEAN?? It means to be born. sooo is Jesus being born eternally? haha or, um ok he was born... but when? if he is eternal... when did he begin? when was he born? ENGLISH DUDE!! DO YOU UNDERSTAND THE WORDS COMING OUT OF YOUR MOUTH?.... "Don't anybody understand the words coming out of his mouth."- Chris Tucker, Rush Hour haha!
Eastridge8645 2 years ago
I just hear excuses. Where are the scriptures? "...and I don't worship the ONE God... I have several gods and I'm confused on which god has which role." - Cook
Eastridge8645 2 years ago
Yes of course.But watch the context.
I said God SPOKE in humbleness.
Shonica27 2 years ago
Than whats your point?
Eastridge8645 2 years ago
3:19 dont you know God is Humble...He spoke in humbleness .
Shonica27 2 years ago
He also threw out the money changers from the temple for their wrong doing, he was NOT nice about that. He also completely destroyed Sodom and its sister city for sin. YES God was humble, but when it comes to truth and following the straight and narrow, and getting things right, he was more harsh than many people posting here. We are not striking people dead for spreading lies. What WOULD Jesus do? hmmmm
Eastridge8645 2 years ago
i would like to say that the poster is lying about the trinitarians. We are not tritheists. That is not what trinitarians beieve and he is lying about our belief and giving false information to his listeners
chriscox1121 2 years ago
If you believe in ONE god, define "trinity" Your very title means in essence... 3!
Eastridge8645 2 years ago 2
Unitarians always assume that Trinitarians don't believe in a 'unity' within the Godhead. This is a false assertion. The very word Trinity is a conjunction of two words: Tri=three, and Unity=one. Literally the word Trinity means: three in oneness, or, 'three-ness' in 'oneness'. You affirm the latter part of the word Trinity, but deny the former part, 'Tri'.
rkg62976 2 years ago
Ok so I still dont understand, because the three one-ness still does not make any sense. The Bible does not ever mention "trinity," The three you refer to are ROLES of God. Not actual seperate one-ness-es... (see how weird this gets?) If we are to believe in God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, what do we do about the prince of peace? mighty God? Holy One? ...etc... now we have now we have six one-ness-es by your logic.
Eastridge8645 2 years ago
What a ridiculous assertion. It is always a good start before engaging in a dialogue, to actually learn what the other side believes. Again, more dishonesty by a Unitarian. You're really not representing your side very well.
rkg62976 2 years ago
I know what the "other side" believes, I cant get more than one trinitarian to say the same thing. They all seem to be confused about that another trinitarian believes, as evidenced by your remark. I am NOT being dishonest, I am trying to understand what you are saying, Why are you so hurt by this? Are you THAT insecure about your faith? That someone would DARE to ask a question? You did not answer ANY of my questions. I would like an answer. Starting with where to find "trinity" in the Bible.
Eastridge8645 2 years ago
can you write me and tell me about it
rjared 2 years ago
I do not wish to take my Hebrew teacher's word for it but would rather study for myself to know the Truth. Whichever the camp, i believe that both are saved and gun should not be pointed at each other.
minjumapai 2 years ago
So it does no matter if I simply believe in one or three or six or twelve... As long as I believe I am saved? That is interesting. So the whole world is going to heaven, even those that simply don't believe in hell, just because they believe in a god. That is an awful lot of people. And a direct contradiction of what the Bible says. However I do applaud you for not just taking someones word for it, find for yourself! Its the only way to go, He is not just your leaders God, but yours as well!
Eastridge8645 2 years ago
However in my observations, the trinitarians are willing to answer your questions politely as opposed to the oneness guys that ridicule those that believe differently. Just my observations and not passing judgement. As for me, i am studying OT Hebrew to know more. My Hebrew teacher (who also is highly learned in NT Greek) studied to become a rabbi until he found Christ, says that scripture proves beyond a shadow of a doubt the doctrine of the trinity, eventhough that was not his stand previously
minjumapai 2 years ago
I am not alligned with either camp but am seeking the truth, i absolutely believe that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life.
I thought that the trinitarian guy was way off in dismissing the oneness camp for worshipping a different god, i believe that both camps worship the same God.
minjumapai 2 years ago
Jehovah is NOT God's name. If either one of them studied Hebrew, they'd know that jehovah means he who is full of mischief. The oneness guy claimed that Jesus' name is derived from jehovah, that is a fallacy. God's name is YHWH, or Yod Hei Wau Hei when spelt in Hebrew, We are not meant to pronounce HIS name as it's Holy.
minjumapai 2 years ago
Why do pentecostals care so much about this stupid issue? Trinitarians just don't care about it, and why should they? It doesn't matter ultimately for salvation.
dmed312 2 years ago
That's fine but one wonders why Jesus was so concerned about who men said that he was and when Peter got the revelation Jesus' response was "Upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it." Your right though. I don't know why Jesus was so concerned about such an issue seeing it's so irrelevant to salvation. Mt. 16:13-18
micahahill 2 years ago
So I could baptize someone in the name of Sam and they are saved? or How about simply sprinkling them when immersion in water is clearly given as the correct way for baptism. I dont know about you, but I would rather get it right, then take your word for it and hope that when God comes that you were right. I would'nt buy a Chevy with a Rolls Royce badge on it, It would make me just a LITTLE unsure about the car. I MIGHT get the idea I was being lied to... hmm.
Eastridge8645 2 years ago
You're like every other pentecostal who desperately tries to argue your case on this matter. Eventually, you'll get to a point in your life where you've argued so much and have met some really strong trinitarian Christians who have great relationships with God, and you too will decide that all these stupid semantics only serve to dampen your walk with God.
dmed312 2 years ago
If that were true the world would be made up of trinitarian, it is not. When God says He is one, not part of three that make up one, I believe Him. And I have met and respect strong trinitarians. I respect them for their commitment, dedication, and loyalty to their god! However blindly they follow. There is ONE true God and even trinitarian in this debate said that we must not serve the same god. THAT is why it is so important to me.
Eastridge8645 2 years ago
Oh by the way, I did get that article you sent. Thanks for sharing that. I'll keep looking for your response from time to time.
micahahill 2 years ago
Now when I say he reprimanded him, I don't mean he flipped out on him. Maybe that's what you think I'm assuming---that he "went off" on him. I don't think that at all. However, he obviously was correcting him. I hope you don't think that's an assumption---just the mere fact that he was correcting him. You do think he was correcting him right? So far that's all the facts I've stated so please tell me what I'm assuming. Everything else has been questions based upon the facts I just went over again
micahahill 2 years ago
I didn't mean that last statement to be a smart ellic. I said it simply thinking outloud the confusion that would have been in the mind of Phillip seeing that other personage. Please make clear to me exactly the things I've assumed because here's all I've said so far. Phillip was obviously confused by even making the request. If he wasn't then Jesus's response would not have been what it was. Is this what you think I'm assuming? Or is it the fact that Jesus reprimanded him for it? Cont. next...
micahahill 2 years ago
Your last question concerning Phillip seeing the other personage where you said "What was the problem with that?" That's what I'd like to know. I'm not the one that had a problem with his request, Jesus was the one who had a problem with it. Maybe we should ask him. He's the one that reprimanded him for it. If I was Phillip I would have said to Jesus, "Well you're both distinct persons right so how does that indicate I don't know you? I'd still like to see him if you don't mind.
micahahill 2 years ago
I don't understand why you would not have taken Jesus (THE almighty God) at his word. "If you have seen me, you have seen the father." or in another area, "I and my father are one" What is so confusing about that? Is Jesus NOT speaking clearly? IF you are trying to stick to the "middle" ground I get that. But it is clearly stated. If you asked John the baptist if you could see "the baptist", and he said, "that's me", and you replied, I'd still like to see him if you don't mind." cont....
Eastridge8645 2 years ago
It is very educational, from an apologetic standpoint, to view Muslims us the same arguments in order to attempt to destroy the belief in the divinity of Christ. Muslims always tend to assume Unitarianism. If Unitarianism were true, their arguments would hold up.
Why can't you take Jn.14:9; 10:30 in context? with the REST of the passage? Such dishonesty from Unitarianism.
rkg62976 2 years ago
you need to take the bible for what it says if it says that I and the father are one than they are one how do you twist that and make it two. The bible says there is one God only. The only way is JESUS there is no other way he has all the power so I wonder than why the father gave all his power away JESUS is the father praise the name of JESUS he is my GOD almighty.
cjohannesmann 2 years ago
Are you referring to my questions on the passages I cited (Jn.6:38,44; Acts 1:11; 5:3-4). I believe I asked some fairly logical questions about these passages. If not, are there better questions than the ones I asked, that pertain to the topic of Unitarianism vs. Trinitarianism?
rkg62976 2 years ago
I can also equate you with muslims. They are full of hate, everyone who does not believe what they believe is an infidel and dishonest. Why cant you use the rest of the Bible yourself in context. "If you have seen me you have seen the Father," "I and my father are one." He does not say "I and my father are part of the trinity," or " i resemble my father but he is somewhere else" Take it for what he was saying. HE WAS the father, robed in flesh. 1 Tim 3:16.
Eastridge8645 2 years ago 3
Colossians 2:6- (6)As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him:(7)Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving.(8)Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, (Why I asked for the trinity in the bible earlier, Trinitarianism is QUITE the tradition) after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.
Eastridge8645 2 years ago
The word "Trinity" is not found in the Bible. Neither is the word "Bible" or, especially for you, "Unitarianism". It's a bad argument to disclaim the doctrine of the Trinity simply because the word isn't found in Scripture. The Trinity is a doctrine we exegete from the totality of the Scriptures.
rkg62976 2 years ago
(9)For in him dwelleth all(ALL not part of...) the fulness (again not part of...) of the Godhead bodily. (10)And ye are complete in him, which is the head (THE head, not part of the trinity) of all principality and power:..... If "god the father" was the FATHER of Jesus, and thus came before him (another subject all together) How is Jesus the head of ALL POWER? I know you are going to say they are co-equal, and co-eternal, but then why God say he was "manifest in the flesh"? Was that not Jesus?
Eastridge8645 2 years ago
First, you make a false assertions that Trinitarians believe that only "part" of Deity dwells in each person the Trinity. Of course this is far from the truth.
Second: Col.2:9 is noted by many, to be one of the first anti-gnostic polemics in Scripture. They thought Christ was just a "spirit-being", not fleshly (human). Paul is arguing against an early false teaching known as Docetism (to "seem").
1Tim.3:16-- The Son took upon human flesh. I don't know what is so difficult about that.
rkg62976 2 years ago
yeah but dont you believe that Jesus is the second part of the trinity? and the second person in the Godhead? that is looking at Jesus as a part and not fully God. it seems that in your view Jesus is the second person next to God who has the same nature as God but is not fully God.
melterry1 2 years ago
I think you misunderstand (or willingly misrepresent) the Trinitarian position. Jesus, the eternal Son of God, is the 2nd person of the Trinity, not the "second part". He shares the same nature as the Father and the Holy Spirit. No created being shares in the deity of the One True God.
rkg62976 2 years ago
If God is God in three persons then im sorry he is no longer ONE God.
melterry1 2 years ago
and if he is then i need you to explain to me how one person can be three persons? that don't make any sence.
melterry1 2 years ago
He might think it a little strange that even though he just explained in very simple terms that you were looking at who you wanted to see, and there was nobody else, and yet you still want to see him.
Eastridge8645 2 years ago
Now wait a second. I never said what I believe. I'm speaking totally from the middle ground trying to decide what's true. Correction--I never assumed Phillip erred in his thinking; Jesus himself took his request as an insult claiming Phillip did not know him because of what he requested. So since we know Phillip did not have a clear view of Jesus and the FATHER, the sensible and logical question remains--What was his thinking on the matter? It was erred which was proved by Jesus's response.
micahahill 2 years ago
First, I don't think they (the apostles) denied the divinity of Jesus? From what I've gather so far, they do understand the fact that he's divine. My question has nothing to do with that. Jesus said to Phillip, "thou hast not known me" when he requested to see the Father. So to answer the other ?, it was Phillip who did not KNOW Jesus evidently. He was obviously confused about the Godhead. He had the wrong concept. Again, what was his error in thinking when he requested to see the FATHER? Clear?
micahahill 2 years ago
Hey john146only, I'm waiting for a response. It looks like your last comment may have been directed to someone else you are talking to. I know these comments can get all jumbled up sometimes but can you give me your thoughts on my last statement?
micahahill 2 years ago
"How does God see it?" is a fine question but here's the problem. Nobody can seem to agree on how God sees it so here is a factual statement that absolutely nobody can disagree with. He, being God, is either one person or more than one person. Right? Right, so having said that it would be totaly incorrect to say finding out what Phillip's confusion was is not important because understanding that would inevitably quicken our understanding as to how Jesus saw it. So how did Phillip view it?
micahahill 2 years ago
Sorry it took a while to respond. To clarify my question, what I'm trying to ask is how Phillip viewed the GODHEAD at that point in time when he asked such a question. Did he see them as one person or two? While we know there was obviously confusion in his mind seeing as how Jesus answered him, what was his confusion because (not that I claim to have the answer) but if we can figure out how he saw the GODHEAD the opposite would have to be right.
micahahill 2 years ago
The Lord our God is one Lord,yes.But what about Ps.110:1?How do you define Lord?According to this scripture there are two different meanings here.Who was Jesus praying to in the garden?Who was He speaking to on the cross?What about 1 Corr.11:3?What about 1Jn.2:22-23?
lifeandpeace777 2 years ago 2
I am NOT a trinitarian, I do believe in the oneness of God "One Lord, One faith, One baptism".... But FINALLY! I commend you on actually using scripture. I have yet to meet a trinitarian that can give me more than mere opinion in trying to explain their belief. "Hear oh Israel, the Lord our God is One Lord"... I could go on for a LONG time giving scriptures describing him as one, but just wanted to commend you on your question. Very good.
Eastridge8645 2 years ago
Speaking unbiasedly and just wondering in John 14 when Phillip asked Jesus to see the Father so it would suffice them which by the way blows me away because he basically just told Jesus he was not enough for them, anyway back to the real question---how did Phillip at that point view the Godhead. Did he see it as a trinitarian or a oneness. When Jesus said to him he did not know him, who did he THINK he was?
micahahill 2 years ago
(Mat 1:18 KJV) "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost."
ronhanish 2 years ago
GO ONENESS! WOOHOO
ChildofGod238 2 years ago
Believe in the trinity if you want, It was made up by a man named tertullian and if you wanna follow him go right ahead, But im gonna follow what God said.
Hear o israel the Lord our God is one Lord! If God wasnt manifest in the flesh then Jesus' crucifixtion wouldnt be valid. What good would it do for a man to die for a man. It wouldnt have worked. It took God robing Himself in flesh as Jesus Christ and dying on the cross. Then it was God a higher sacrifice dying for man. Its the only way.
pentecostal18 2 years ago 2
i have a comment. what good did these two men do with there debate. none. I say love and only love is the truth of who or what god is. If he exist in 3 or 1 will not matter if the world goes to hell. now i dont say this in a trinity belief. i have recieved the revelation of oneness. i remember what i was doing and what year. 1998. but i never won anyone to god by debating oneness. i just showed them love. god did the rest.
gyldenale 2 years ago