thegus0 that is your problem , you don't understand that we are all animals ! by the way that was a very witty comment did it take ya 30 minutes to come up with ? moron!
well lets just start slaughting our pets as well ! here kitty kitty here fido .....oh shit i forgot they already do that too !!! well maybe someday the sea will get them back ???????yea i know that has already happened as well .KARMA is a bitch huh ???
los Sea Shepherd no son mas que piratas, que atacan naves que estan trabajando legalmente. No es con con guerra que se consigue la paz.!!!
Quienes son para decir que tiene LA VERDAD ? son jovenes que se creen heroes y asumen que la historia dentro de años hablara de ellos. Pobres dan lastima por como luchan no por lo que lucha
When the Steve Irwin rammed the Japanese ship under Maritime law the Japanese had any right to repel and even fire back at them with guns to protect themselves from being sunk.
FUCK YOU JAP BASTARDS KILLING ALL THE WHALES, TELL YOU OLDER GENERATION THEY NEED TO HURRY UP AND DIE SO NOBODY HARMS THESE ANIMALS ANYMORE. YOU HEARTLESS BASTARDS, I DON'T FEEL BAD ABOUT THE TSUNAMI BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE ARE JUST HEARTLESS SHIT HOLE FUCK BASTARDS. FUCK YOU FROM THE USA. HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI WAS THE BEST THING TO EVER HAPPEN.
The Japanese Whaling Industry lies because no Country on the whole Planet needs 1000 Whales to do Research only if you say tasting the Whale Meat is Research.
@CapulloSpawn Learn to write first. You don't even deserve the power to speak. Just the whalers you racist moron! Most japanese protest against whaling by not eating whale meat. Most of the meat will be rotting in warehouses, and the whalers will soon realize that they won't make any profit, and whaling will slowly stop.
China and Japan are the Killers of our Planet an our mankind! Hope SeaShepherds really fuck you in future so that you die the same way like the whales! And I will spend any buck my hole life to the guys, so that they can buy the best equipment to fuck you in your little jap asses. Bustard Mutherfuckers! The Tsunami has hit the right country! No buck i would spend for this ill peoples in this country.
@MrSchreckschraube Just the whalers you racist moron! Most japanese protest against whaling by not eating whale meat. Most of the meat will be rotting in warehouses, and the whalers will soon realize that they won't make any profit, and whaling will slowly stop.
@Walfangmeister those three crew members that claims that they got injured by the sea shepherds are just too stupid to use their own equipment (some kind of a gun or pepper spray....whatever)
You will only see white fats ass rich Americans doing this doing this dumb shit...let someone else ram one of the nazi crackers' ships and see how long that boat stays a float...I am hating the idiots from my country more and more every day. How can an American go about disowning his country?
@Walfangmeister who cares about those scumbags? in this case i think blindness is what they deserved at least. i hope they suffer now under terminal cancer based on eating to much meat of animals that are threatened by extinction!
Los animales Salvajes son de toda la humanidad, no mas genocidio animal, no mas matanzas, Fuerza a los Sea Shepherd,.... QUE ES LO QUE OPINAN LAS BALLENAS DE TODO ESTO!!! ALGUIEN SE LO `PREGUNTO!!!
progress would have been made. Assuming fin and minke numbers are increasing, have you considered that may be due to the ban?I read JARPA II is including fin and humpback, that's one thing I hope they are wrong. Another thing, eating meat has nothing to do with whether your action is appropriate or not. I've said all I have to say, ideally the minkes will post their comments here, but they are too busy running for their lives. Bye
@1000wrongdecisions Fin whales were protected before the moratorium was adopted. Minke whales always have been abundant since they started being hunted later than the other whale species, because of their smaller size, and since the IWC regulations were better by then. JARPA II includes fins and humpbcaks because these species have been growing steadily in numbers for a while and now represent an important part of biomass. Thus, data about these whale stocks is necessary for better understanding
After performing 'lethal research' on Chinese during WWII, now you do the same to the whales. Can't you think something new without HURTING OTHER LIVES OTHER THAN YOUR OWN!!!!!???????
@1000wrongdecisions Why ppl always have to compare things than can't be compared and make comparisons to WWII!!!??? Do you eat meat? If yes, you may want to reconsider your comment.
@isanatori I'm guessing you are saying whaling can't be compared to the human experiments. What I tried to say is can you think of new excuses to cause pain and suffering other than research? Frankly I don't believe this is for research. Especially when the meat end up on consumer's tables. If you care for the animals you'll will find non life-threatening ways. Yes I eat meat but not meat of endangered species. No I will not reconsider my comment.
@1000wrongdecisions Well, that's research, but not animal experiments, that the Japanese are doing in the Southern Ocean. The fact that the by-product are sold on the Japanese market doesn't change anything to this. Furthermore, the species Japan is catching in its programs aren't endangered: Antarctic minke whales are abundant, fin whales are growing in numbers. You may want to check your facts on this issue.
@isanatori In the 80s, IWC banned whaling(minke is one beneficiary) except for research, conveniently ICR was formed few years later for 'research', conveniently thousands killed in ten odd years for 'research' , convenienly the meat ended up on dining tables as 'by-product'. Ideally the world believes but I guess they are not convinced.Japanese are smart people, if they look for non-lethal ways when JARPA started ten odd years ago, much
@isanatori in fact you whalers are breaking the law, and lying by writing "research" on the side of your vessel which is miss leading 2011 was the best seas shepherd has ever done thats why you guys dropped your sacks and ran crying back to JAPAN!!!!!!!!!! SUCK IT
@1000wrongdecisions Something tells me that if this were Germany you wouldn't be having a problem. Because last time I checked, although what the Japanese did was terrible, Germany really did the grunt of the "experiments".
Save your bullshit replies, you fucking vampire. I not only know about Japanese Whaling, but I know about Japanese (and other Asian) culture. There is nothing you can say that will change who you are, and what you do. You are selfish, cold-hearted, sub-human, and less-than the rest of civilized nations. If we have to baby sit your punkasses, we will, as we have for nearly 80 years. Now shut the fuck up, since YOU obviously, either don't know what you're talking about, or you're too busy sucking.
You'd like to pretend that you don't know why people are so pissed about what's taking place. But that's just it, you're not that fucking dumb. I am done with your pathetic arrogance, your denial of the facts, and your twisting around of history to distort the evidence into your favor. If you don't know, you'd better ask somebody :) The US was probably narrow-minded in our retaliation after the attacks on Pearl Harbor, but I guess in retrospect, that doesn't matter does it.
@JurisArcane I know why ppl like you are pissed about whaling. Because they are ignorant, narrow-minded and happy to be that way. Pearl Harbor has nothing to do with whaling.
Eventually your "research" ships are going to piss off the wrong people, and they will pay the price. Japan's actions in the Pacific Ocean once awoke a sleeping giant. Perhaps Japan hans't figured it out yet - but going into the waters of other countries who have told you to stay the fuck out, is not really a good idea. But you probably don't understand that logic either.Just so we're clear, if I am ignorant as you say I am, then you my friend, redefine the term, "completely fucking retard".
There is nothing you can say that will change my mind, or the mind of anyone else who knows what is taking place and isn't in the pockets of the Japanese Whaling industry. But fret not. The real sanctions are coming, and just as quickly as this conversation ends, so will Japan's whaling operations, when the US imposes trade sanctions against Japan. You see, there is always someone bigger my friend.
@JurisArcane Yeah, you're probably to proud to try understand what's really happening. Personally, I don't care whether you change your mind or not. If the US imposes trade sanctions on Japan over its legal research program, it will probably backfire on the US.
So, at this point, if you still don't think I know what I'm talking about, that's ok. If you are in support of Japanese whaling operations as they currently go, you are a lying, exploiting, murdering, poaching, bullying, uncivilized, greedy little shit of a human being, that makes the worst American capitalist look like the Son of God.
@JurisArcane I'm sure you don't know what you're talking about. Maybe you need to grow up a bit. Hopefully it happens to you at some point of your life.
Australia itself, has filed suit continuously against Japan, not only over whaling, but the fact that Japanese ships continue to bully their way into Australian waters. Again, just who in the fuck does Japan think they are? Seriously. I would love to see a Japanese ship enter US waters without permission. It wouldn't be a lawsuit my friend, it would be an ass kicking.
@JurisArcane They filed a suit to the ICJ last year. That's not really "continuously". As I told you several times already, those aren't Australian waters. A Japanese whaling ship entering US waters without permission won't happen. You can always dream. You're life must be so full of frustrations for you to write such bullshit here.
You see, there's a continued pattern of blatant disregard on the part of Japan when it comes to any law or regulation regarding whales, because they simply don't give a shit. Even the IWC in 2000 openly condemned Japan's "research" program, but Japan, instead continued to expand its operations. Japan has ignored and continues to ignore international moratoriums, and not surprisingly, the overwhelming majority of the IWC members themselves.
@JurisArcane Yet, what Japan is doing is perfectly legal. The IWC texts you speak of resolutions, and aren't binding. They have no effect on the ICRW.
This is a great cause for the uprising against Japan, showing that it will exploit every law, ignore every protection passed for whales, and will go into waters to do what they want until someone puts up a fight. Fact: Sperm and Byrde's whales are internationally protected whales. Question: Who the hell does Japan think they are to ignore those protections? No one authorized Japan to conduct "research" on them, and yet, they hunt them just like the minke.
@JurisArcane Special permits for research as defined in article 8 of the ICRW are exempt of any conservation measure in the convention.In other words, Japan is taling Bryde's whales and Sperm whales legally through its research programs. Read the convention, man. It's all there.
If we continue to let whaling operations proceed unchecked, we could be on a very dangerous course in terms of population with the whales in the next 10-20 years.
Japan goes into the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary, to conduct its "research" when these grounds are off limits to whale poachers. Research or not, killing whales in this territory is considered by the founders of the legislature, as a violation
@JurisArcane Really? What do you base your assumption on?
The southern ocean whale sanctuary of 1994, like any other conservation measures in the Schedule of the ICRW, has no effect on catching whales under special permit (article 8).
japan has no discipline, restraint, or responsibility when they hunt. The profits are their primary concern.Fact: The results according to ANY "research" shows a continued decline in whale population, largely due to whaling operations. In ten years, the approximate count of 760,000 minke whales has almost been cut in half (something the Japanese government refuses to acknowledge).
@JurisArcane You don't know what you're talking about man. The number of minkes has never been cut in half. There's no official estimate after the one of 1990 (760,000). Check your facts.
Furthermore, Japanese whaling fleets harvest more than just minke whales. Basically, Japan isn't examining shit. You don't have to kill thousands of whales to count how many there are, genius.Contrary research into both present and past historical perspectives clearly state that nations like Japan (and even the US before they decided to get with the program) will drive hunted animals into endangerment.
@JurisArcane Yeah, they take Fin whales too. It's all in the research project outline. Catching a few whales isn't about just counting them. Once again, educate yourself on the subject, man. You know so few.
The guise of Japan's claim to "research" is blown full of holes, in that the single argument remains - the only true research findings of the IWC is "stock management of the minke whale" when slaughtering whales to harvest their meat does nothing to "manage whale stocks". If anything it diminishes them.
While Japan's operations are "technically" legal, the only thing standing in the way of making it illegal, is further gathering of evidence against the operations, which I assure you are underway. You may or may not agree, but the fact that Japan has paid untold hundreds of millions of dollars to keep their practices legal, is proof that they are afraid of what is soon to come.
@JurisArcane So we agree it's legal. Japan hasn't paid money to make it legal. There's a convention, the ICRW, a text signed by 88 nations, that makes it legal.
You call that a debate? All you've done is say "you're ignorant" or "you don't know the facts" or "maybe if you grow up a bit" or "maybe this that or the other". In other all you offered in terms of of debate, is your own subjective fucking opinion just as I have. Oh I'm narrow minded. Like I said, your subjective fucking opinion. Yes, Japan entering waters that belong to another country when they have been told to stay the fuck out, is considered an act of war, just like P. Harbor
@JurisArcane You can talk, man. You've been using colorful language in most of your comments. Anyway, since you refuse to continue a conversation, goodbye. Maybe one day, you'll check all the conventions and treaty I quoted and reconsider your opinion. Once again, though, the Southern Ocean doesn't belong to anyone. It's no Australian waters. I feel sorry for you not to be able to understand this. That's your problem anyway.
Japan HAS paid money to members of the international community to exploit votes in favor of their operations. IT'S PUBLIC FUCKING RECORD ASSHOLE - LOOK IT UP! OK seriously I thought by shedding light on facts into your argument you'd at least back away SLIGHTLY when you're wrong, but you wont. You are a coward. Don't bother replying. I refuse to continue conversation with your delusional ass. You are a murdering sack of greedy shit, and am ashamed of even having spoke to you.
@JurisArcane Japan offers ODA to many countries (even anti-whaling ones). There's no "public fucking record" of Japan buy votes, but well there's anti-whaling propaganda saying that Japan is using its ODA to supposedly buy the votes of some member countries at the IWC. If you refer to the Sunday Times article, I read it and even watched their videos, it proves nothing. All the people interviewed just give their opinion or say that they've heard of someone who has heard that someone blablabla...
Exactly, which when you think about it, is all you're doing - listening to someone give their opinion, blahblahblah. But, you believe them, because it's what you want to believe. You've made a choice on which stance you're going to take and that couldn't be more obvious. Here's what you've missed all along. I know what the treaty says - I just don't give a shit. Treaty or not, I think Japan's actions are wrong (and Norway, etc). Slavery was once legal, but someone fought it :)
@JurisArcane Really? Like quoting the ICRW is "listening to someone"? I read that by myself and invite you to the same, man. I think you've made your choice and that's to not change your mind because you want to believe what you've been told to be the truth without checking other sources. I have read the arguments on the websites of Greenpeace or Sea Shepherd, and I know they spread misinformation on purpose about the legal status of Japan's research programs or the reality at the IWC.
The "scientific" information obtained from Japan's "research" program, comes from the 1987 ventures in the Antarctic. The rest are recognized by leaders all around the globe and in the UN, as poaching. In previous hearings, leaders actually drew up sanctions because of Japan's extortion vote purchasing of the International Whaling Commission, while offering financial aid to smaller impoverished nations to speak up at the IWC in favor of their illegal operations (including the United Nations).
@JurisArcane Man, you're definitely confusing a lot of things here. The UN isn't recognizing Japan's research programs on cetaceans as "poaching". What sanctions are you talking about? Any reference?
This is what, the fourth time Japan has certified for "research" into whaling operations? You say "fat chance at having Japan's research operations classified as illegal". Fact numbnuts: it's already been done, several times, because it seems constant that Japanese "research" more times than not ends up as delicacy meat in markets (remember that 90% figure you made fun of? Well it has been used in the international debates against Japan's whaling operations).
@JurisArcane Ambassador BALTON: "Japan does perform scientific research on the whales they take, and probably have the best whale science as a result. But it is also true that the products of the research have been sold on the open market." There was a hearing, May 6th 2010, at the US Congress. Look for the transcript.
I'll be willing to look at things through different eyes, when whaling of the endangered humpback whale is stopped. And no, if you must know, I am a vegetarian, not because I don't like the taste of meat, but because of how the animals are treated in slaughter houses. I want to understand why whalers persist in slaughtering endangered animals. But those operations lose sympathy with me when they sell the meat in a very lucrative industry. It is wrong my friend, and we need to put an end to it.
@JurisArcane First, Japan isn't catching any humpback whales right now, even though the species is included in the JARPA2 program. However, humpback whales aren't really "endangered". Recent observations and studies show that their number have been increasing steadily for several years, some populations having a 14% increase rate. All the whale species caught in Japan's research programs aren't endangered, some like the Antarctic minke whales are even abundant.
Alright fine dude here you go. Japan isn't doing anything wrong, whales aren't endangered, there isn't a brutal operation going on in foreign waters. No other governments are pissed off at Japanese whaling ships. There isn't a huge outcry against Japanese whaling. There isn't a lucrative industry for whale meat. Everyone who has ever said anything in contradiction to what you think, is completely in the wrong. The Easter Bunny is real, and my shit smells like roses.
@JurisArcane It's not about me forcing what I think on you, man. But unless you're ready to accept a debate and that what you believe to be true may be wrong, then there's no point you argue with anyone. Btw, as I told you already, the waters in the Southern Ocean where Japan catches whales aren't "foreign waters". They are international waters". Any claims on the Antarctic continent and its surrounding waters are blocked by the Antarctic Treaty System.
Already told ya, of course I was wrong dude. didn't you know that? Everyone who disagrees with you is always wrong. There's no point in accepting the debate. No one can be right against your greatness. I was wrong you win and stuff. K?
Basically you're right, everything you said is completely right, what I said was completely wrong. Please forgive me for disagreeing with you, a creature far superior than the average human being. For thou needest not care about facts, since you can interpret them anyway you want, and re-establish your own facts. You are omnipotent and all powerful like that, and your opinion is magnified for greater than anyone else. Hear ye hear ye, humans of earth, the great Isantori has spoken!
@JurisArcane So what? Someone counter-argues with you and all you can do is deny everything and just say bullshit like that? I've provided you with arguments. I pretty much think you're the one establishing your own facts, like "I know a lot more than you about law", "it's 90% commercial whaling", "whales are endangered", etc.
Exactly, and well said man. I was totally making it all up. You were right, I was wrong. You've provided solid arguments, and I have not provided solid replies. I am completely in the error zone, and humbly seek your forgiveness.
When are you going to start harvesting humans? They aren't endangered - in fact they are over populating the planet. Go ahead, harvest humans. Most of them will probably speak a different language. You can even do it under the guise of "research". Then slaughter them, and sell their meat in your markets. I'm sure there's is some sick fucking Asian demand for human meat, where there's an ancient and beautiful custom, that if you eat the flesh of another man, you'll be smarter.
Foolish logic really. It goes with a core belief that we are all living creatures and share the planet, and furthermore the belief that human beings, just because we have superior intelligence, doesn't mean we should enslave/masacre every other living thing on the planet. But I KNOW, I'm wrong there too, so before you say it, let me apologize for that too. I am wrong in this conviction as well. Please forgive me.
Let me just ask you one final question. Do you, as an individual, think it is ok to kill whales for profit? Let's see if you have the ability to give a yes or no answer, to a yes or no question.
Lions dont have the ability to grow their own crops and create energy from nuclear fusion. Also human beings are not carnivores or even omnivores (predators). Our digestive track and bodies were not meant to consume meat. That's why cholesterol and fats are killing us.
I know what Im talking about, and I have years of research experience. If you continue to force my hand, I'm going to make you look like an idiot. Last chance to shut it down with some dignity my friend :)
@JurisArcane Wow! You say you know the law better than anyone and have years of experience in research, yet you've shown me just ignorant you are. In fact, it's not just ignorance, it's also narrow-mindedness.
Anyways, you may say whatever you want. Humans are commonly regarded as omnivores. The health problems you suggest are due to unbalanced diets in western societies where consumption of cholesterol and fats is too important. The human body can digest/much meat/fish as well as vegetables.
@JurisArcane "Give me command of a single US Naval Destroyer, a good crew, and one season. I'll show ya how to deal with whale hunters." That won't happen, loser.
No shit? Well I may not get my hands on a US destroyer but em, I think your video is proof that em, people can take matters into their hands, and seriously fuck up some Japanese whale operations. Haha, if I'm a loser, I'm a loser having the last laugh - because you uploaded a video showing some Jap whale ships getting fucked up by a private boat with a handful of volunteers. Again, I DARE some Japanese boats to come into US waters to hunt whale. DOUBLE DARE you - pussy.
@JurisArcane Well, the Sea Stupids do ram Japanese vessels in the Southern Ocean... yet, the Japanese continue to send their vessels to the Southern to conduct their perfectly legal research program. They won't send any vessel to US waters. There are more whales in the Southern Ocean. Not point in going to US waters, honestly. Alaskan Eskimos hunt whales in US waters, though. Maybe you want to send navy vessels against them. Stupid and ignorant loser.
No it's NOT legal. And it's funny how "research" vessels are killing so many whales and making billions off of it. What are they researching - how much money they make off whale meat? Get the fuck out of here. You my buy that stupid bullshit, but I don't. The Eskimos live on this continent, moron. Australia doesn't belong to the Japanese. You need to read a fucking dictionary, because your words don't make a whole lot of sense.
@JurisArcane The research is perfectly legal, man. It's just that you're too ignorant and lazy to know it. International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling? Article 8? Never heard these words? It's maybe time you take your fingers out of your arse and start thinking by yourself, pal. "Australia doesn't belong to the Japanese"... What's your point? Those waters in the Southern Ocean don't belong to Australia. Treaty for the Antarctic? Don't know this either? So much ignorance, impressive!
Yeah I've heard about all that shit. BUT the Japanese whaling fleets do enter Australian waters. Sure they can call it "research" but it's not any fucking "research" and you know it. Those Japanese ships that enter Australian waters and kill whales need to be fucking sank to the bottom of the ocean. Don't try to get into a battle of legal terminology with me, you'll lose. And yes, the Japanese have entered Australian waters. They do it all the time. Quit acting stupid, fuck face.
@JurisArcane Ahaha! So now, you're short of any argument, so what you do is just deny everything. If those waters were really belonging to Australia, OZ navy ships would have been sent a long time ago. As for the Japanese performing research on whales, it's obvious that it's true. It's really easy to get many tissue samples from dead whales, you know. And many papers are presented to the IWC Scientific Committee every year. You need to see things from different angles, man.
@JurisArcane So that's quite an uneducated angle, I must say. Taking a few whales (compared to the total population) isn't going to "fuck up" the entire ecosystem. Up to you to stay in your ignorance.
Alright listen to me you shithead. You don't know me, you aren't a psychic. You obviously know shit about my education. You know shit about Maritime and International Law (I have studied quite a bit of law actually, including the Napoleonic Code). You know shit about the endangered whale population, and the contribution just one of these large mammals makes to the planet. You are either just trying to piss people off, are are truly stupid. Either way, I said fuck off, I'm done.
@JurisArcane Well, all your comments just proved me the opposite of what you say. You don't know about the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling. You don't know about the Treaty for the Antarctic. You don't know about the estimates of the different whale species Japan hunts in its research programs. What "pisses you off" is just your inability to accept you're wrong. You say "fuck off", yet you're the one who come posting comments on one of my vids.
I said fuck off, because I tried to end this civilly about 4 posts ago by saying "Good chat, peace". But you being the deranged fucker that you are, can't take a hint. And hell no I'm not gonna admit I'm wrong, any sooner than you are going to admit you're wrong. Whale hunting is illegal. Just because you paint "research" on the side of the ship, but still sell the meat, doesn't change it. It's Illegal. Do you understand? It's illegal. Understand? Illegal. Yes again, fuck off.
@JurisArcane Article 8 of the ICRW, man. It's all there. You can claim it's illegal as many times as you want, it won't change the fact that it's perfectly legal. Selling the meat doesn't prevent the catches from being legal. Check the article 8. As I said, it's just you not admitting the reality.
You posted "your video" on the open internet. I keep posting because you keep saying shit, pretend like it doesn't exist. And even if I researched and posted the exact heading of the laws Japanese Whale operation are violating, you STILL would have something to say, because you're a brainwashed idiot, who wants to try and convince everyone else that they are brainwashed idiots for disagreeing with you and calling out Japanese whale hunting. Do you seriously not know the law?
@JurisArcane "Notwithstanding anything contained in this Convention any Contracting Government may grant to any of its nationals a special permit authorizing that national to kill, take and treat whales for purposes of scientific research (...)" <= I'm quoting the article 8 of the ICRW. "Anything in this Convention" means the moratorium and the Southern Ocean whale sanctuary. I'm not trying to convince you being a brainwashed idiot, you're proving me you are one at each of your comments.
Alright one more time genius. RESEARCH, is LEGAL. WHAT JAPAN IS DOING, IS NOT RESEARCH. IT's ILLEGAL WHALE OPERATIONS, UNDER THE GUISE OF RESEARCH. NO ONE IS BUYING THE BULLSHIT DUDE. WE ALL KNOW IT"S NOT RESEARCH JAPAN IS DOING. ITS WHALING, and JAPAN IS MAKING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OFF OF IT. IT...IS>..NOT>.RESEARCH. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. WE KNOW ITS NOT RESEARCH JAPAN IS DOING.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME NOW? YOU ARE KILLING WHALES FOR PROFIT. THAT, IS ILLEGAL.
@JurisArcane No, no. That's research. It's often called "research whaling", since they catch whales "for purposes of scientific research". So it's both research and whaling. They do produce scientific data and papers to the IWC scientific committee every year. Unless the ICJ case initiated by Australia concludes that Japan's research programs are illegal (which is very unlikely to happen), you can't say it's illegal. IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL!! Nothing forbid to sell the whale meat. See article 8.
Um yes it is, there is a global ban on whaling. Just because a law allows for the conducting of research, doesn't mean it removes all previous laws prohibiting whaling. Jesus Christ man, where did you go to school? If there's a law that says don't murder, but a new law comes into place that says self defense is alright - just because you might kill someone in self defense .001% of the time, doesn't mean that murdering the other 99.999% of the time is legal. It WILL catch up to you.
@JurisArcane Here again, you're showing me that you don't know much about this issue. The global ban is on "commercial" whaling. Scientific whaling is allowed by the article 8 of the ICRW, the founding text of the IWC. The convention comes before the global ban and its article 8 states clearly states "notwithstanding anything contained in this Convention". Honestly, I strongly recommend you to check about the IWC and ICRW. You're example about murder doesn't make much sense.
@isanatori There you go again, you don't seem to know much about this. What Japan is doing is about 90% commercial whaling and 10% "research". The global ban is in effect. If it weren't, there wouldn't be an argument. I strongly suggest you take a few classes on critical thinking before you try to interpret law, and lecture other people on it. My comparison about murder, makes perfect sense to someone who has at least a high school education.
@JurisArcane My guess is that you believe this is "commercial" because the meat is being sold. Well, once again, I must ask you to read the article 8 of ICRW: "(...) Any whales taken under these special permits shall so far as practicable be processed and the proceeds shall be dealt with in accordance with directions issued by the Government by which the permit was granted. (...)" It's not about interpreting the law, it's about reading it, which you seem to have done in the first place.
No, I believe it is commercial whaling, because the actions of the Japanese "research" fleet, clearly define "commercial whaling". I seriously don't understand why that's so difficult for you to understand. Neither one of us are going to change our minds. I, like most people on the planet have a soft spot for protecting whales. You, and others like you, dont give a shit about whales or the rest of the planet, and will kill anything if it turns a profit. You are virus to this planet.
@JurisArcane Well, you're free to believe what you want. That doesn't necessarily make it so. And I rather feel it's you who don't want to understand. I'm not sure "most people" think like you. However,don't think I don't care about whales. It's just that I think whales can be culled sustainably and that's what the Japanese are doing (and the Norwegians and Icelanders too). I recommend you to try to look at things with a different eye.
Oh and I've seen a few of your other videos. I know about the whaling communities you so boldly promote and support. It's clear that certain cultures in Japan are clearly exploiting research laws to continue their illegal whaling operations. SHAME on you, you two-faced, whale-poaching liar! I hope every one of your ships get sank to the ocean floor. These warm-blooded creatures have done nothing to you, and you exploit their very flesh. Got nothing else to say to you, worm.
@JurisArcane I boldly promote and support whaling communities? Are you talking about the videos of festivals/song related to ancient whaling? In what are these "exploiting research laws"? In what am I two-faced? Where did I lie? Do you eat beef, pork, chicken? If so, did these warm-blooded animals do anything to you to "exploit their very flesh"? Open your eyes, man! I'm saying that for your own sake.
Its funny, Japan supposedly kills the whales for research, and they have been out for years whaleing to do "research" and yet, a German Bioligist collects some skin samples from a few whales, and releases them and finds out just about every thing he can about them, and they kill houndreds of them to do research...
isent it just nice how they dont show this kind of stuff on their show...they sure do a good job of making themselfs look like they are doing the right thing on TV but when u see it from a different view thats not really the case
The whalers are pretending it's scientific purposes so they can continue to break a law that's been in place since 1986. Japan is not a poor country anymore! They needn't hunt whales! Japan is always operating behind some kind of deception, just like Pearl Harbour. Before 1986 they killed 2000 whales yearly. "Commercial" whaling was banned and made illegal in 1986. Today, the Japs kill 900+ per year for "scientific purposes". Before 1986, the Japs killed 200 per year for scientific purposes.
it's not research at all, they're using that as a coverup, they're killing innocent animals for their benefit and sick lives. I've lost all respect for Japan
hey whalers couldn't you use your talent and resources to protect the environment instead? how can you claim to kill for the sake of conversation? that is like war for peace, isanatori open your eyes man, change your side, for your children.
@guachingman Catching whales sustainably, that is few enough to not endanger the species, is perfectly sound for the sake of conservation. guachingman, I invite you to look at this subject a bit more objectively. The Japanese are not hunting whales to the brink of extinction.
@isanatori catching? you mean killing don't you?, and how on earth killing few enough is perfectly sound for the sake of conservation?
For what are the japanese and others exactly hunting whales? I also urge you to be more objective friend. Sure there are still a lot of whales, but once there were lots of tigers too, and wolfs and bears and tuna fish init?....hunting them didn't quite help their survival did it?
@guachingman Yeah, catching=killing. Killing a few whales from abundant populations (like Antarctic minke whales) isn't going to make the concerned species extinct. It's all matter of sustainability. The Japanese are catching whales to obtain scientific data (in order to make possible commercial whaling on a sustainable basis). The Norwegians and Icelanders hunt whales commercially, mainly for food. Alaskan Eskimos, Greenland Inuits hunt whales for food too. It's all performed sustainably.
@isanatori "Catching whales sustainably, that is few enough to not endanger the species, is perfectly sound for the sake of conservation"
Thats the lie the Japs keep repeating. They claim its for research yet everyone agree's that teh meat is sold as food. Other conservationists and researches don't need to kill anything to research them. For example should I blow a hole in your head and claim its research to help save lifes?
@Tzimnewman3 As part of the IWC's Article 8 it basically states that if a whale is taken for research then no usable parts should be wasted. Thus the meat is sold. The selling of the meat is withing the guidelines of the IWC.
@USDAChuckSteak "The selling of the meat is withing the guidelines of the IWC."
This wouldn't be a problem if Japan didn't abuse this loophole. The problem with this loophole is it creates a demand for the whale meat. Its so popular in Japan that in order to keep up with the demand increased "Research" is done.
There is no reason to kill the whale in order to do "Research". Unless your doing it for food which is clearly the case here.
@Tzimnewman3 So now you are switching your argument? You made a comment to the meat being sold as if it was being done illegally. I pointed out how it was completely legal. That is all.
As for lethal research, you can NEVER obtain the same data from non-lethal as you can lethal. To even state so it obtuse.
*Now, let's see if you can actually read and comprehend that last part. Try top comment to what I specifically said. If you can.
@USDAChuckSteak "So now you are switching your argument? You made a comment to the meat being sold as if it was being done illegally."
If I am found innocent of killing someone and then I later say I killed them knwoing I can not be found sent to court twice for the same crime would you insist on telling me I am innocent just because the law says I am. I would expect many people to say I am guilty because they know I have done the crime.
@USDAChuckSteak "As for lethal research, you can NEVER obtain the same data from non-lethal as you can lethal. To even state so it obtuse."
How are the American's able to carry out research on whales without killing them and selling their meat back home?? Not only American researchers are able to carry out research without killing. Whale meat is not that popular for food in America or other parts of the world where research does not lead to killing.
@Tzimnewman3 American researchers don't provide much scientific data about Antarctic minke whales to the IWC. David Balton of OES even admitted that "Japan does perform scientific research on the whales they take, and probably have the best whale science as a result" at a hearing at the House of Representatives in May 2010.
Australia-NZ so-called non-lethal research program in the Southern Ocean also failed to provide any useful scientific information.
@Tzimnewman3 Again, non-lethal research cannot obtain the exact same data as lethal research. Quality research CAN be done in a non-lethal manner. I'n not saying it can't. Again, try to read and comprehend....
Example: Age of a whale can only be exactly detirmined by researching the ear plug. The only way to get the ear plug is by removing it. Removing it means the whale must be dead. See...CAN'T GET THE SAME DATA.
Also, sale of whale meat commercially is illegal in the US. Strawman.
@USDAChuckSteak "Also, sale of whale meat commercially is illegal in the US. Strawman."
Yes, this is why America does not kill whales for research. There is no profit in killing the whale where as in Japan the motive to kill a whale is clearly profit.
@Tzimnewman3 Did I ever say whale meat is being sold in the US? Whale meat isn't allowed to be sold in the US. That is US law. And that has nothing to do with why the US doesn't conduct lethal research. The US doesn't conduct lethal research because it (the US) has it's own laws that outlaw all forms of whaling. I believe the US stopped it's commercial whaling prior to the IWC moratorium on commercial whaling. So again, the sale of whale maet has nothing to do with the US not lethal researching.
@Tzimnewman3 Because the US made a law to govern it's own citizens. US law has nothing to do with other countries whaling for research. The reason why the US doesn't conduct lethal research is because it is against US law to kill a whale. Japan does not have a law against whaling.
I'm trying to figure out what you point is....do you have one?
@USDAChuckSteak "US law has nothing to do with other countries whaling for research. The reason why the US doesn't conduct lethal research is because it is against US law to kill a whale."
Why did the US make such a law? What was the reason for making that law? How is the rest of the world able to conduct research without killing?
"I'm trying to figure out what you point is....do you have one?"
Yes there is a point but you will have to work it out for yourself.
Call a spade, a spade...... This is not for research.. How long and how many whales will be killed before this research is complete... I have been following this for 5 years now and they have taken around 4500 whales in the name of research. How long does it take for them to figure out the migratory path of the minke whale and what it eats?
Wouldn't it be easier for them just to google it?
Props to all the people involved with the sea sheppards, keep up the good work.
How many times do these anti whaling idiots have to break the international anti collision rules to be punished. They should have their vessel confiscated once and for all. While killing the whales is bad they are not doing anything illegal. Many international gov'ts have been watching this crap go on for years so if the japanese fleet was breaking the law then they would've been fined etc. Ramming another ship is ignorant and dangerous.
they are not even trying 2 get on if they wanted 2 get on they would they got on 2 times so they know how 2 boad ur dang shitp wut they need 2 do is sink them!!!!!!!
Go Steve Irwin! Toughest ship on the high seas!
shaneybrainy13 1 week ago
You whalers deserve what u got!!!!
TheWaver22 2 months ago
Japan sucks
focaatdisney 2 months ago
lol these eco fags need to be harpooned
xdroon3 2 months ago
Sorry they didnt lille you like you dick Japan lille the whales.....shame on japan
RasmusSkovgard 2 months ago
awesome
134jmann 4 months ago
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FACT: Commercial whaling was banned and made illegal in 1986.
FACT: Today, now that they're officially not allowed to kill Whales for food, the japanese kill 1000 per year for "scientific purposes".
FACT: Before 1986, when they were killing 2000 a year for food, the japanese killed 200 per year for "scientific purposes" and called it sufficient.
Ownagesauce1234 6 months ago
thegus0 that is your problem , you don't understand that we are all animals ! by the way that was a very witty comment did it take ya 30 minutes to come up with ? moron!
landshaark69 6 months ago
well lets just start slaughting our pets as well ! here kitty kitty here fido .....oh shit i forgot they already do that too !!! well maybe someday the sea will get them back ???????yea i know that has already happened as well .KARMA is a bitch huh ???
landshaark69 6 months ago
@landshaark69 grow a brain before people mistake you for a dumb animal
Thegus0 6 months ago
they did not try to board the ship that every time its down there that whales get killed for "rescherch"
Ryanthekill8 6 months ago
los Sea Shepherd no son mas que piratas, que atacan naves que estan trabajando legalmente. No es con con guerra que se consigue la paz.!!!
Quienes son para decir que tiene LA VERDAD ? son jovenes que se creen heroes y asumen que la historia dentro de años hablara de ellos. Pobres dan lastima por como luchan no por lo que lucha
hposada 6 months ago
When the Steve Irwin rammed the Japanese ship under Maritime law the Japanese had any right to repel and even fire back at them with guns to protect themselves from being sunk.
romanobritish 6 months ago
Liars, the Japanese were trying to transfer whales to the Nisshin, and that collision was the only way to stop them.
airwave089 7 months ago
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FUCK YOU JAP BASTARDS KILLING ALL THE WHALES, TELL YOU OLDER GENERATION THEY NEED TO HURRY UP AND DIE SO NOBODY HARMS THESE ANIMALS ANYMORE. YOU HEARTLESS BASTARDS, I DON'T FEEL BAD ABOUT THE TSUNAMI BECAUSE YOU PEOPLE ARE JUST HEARTLESS SHIT HOLE FUCK BASTARDS. FUCK YOU FROM THE USA. HIROSHIMA AND NAGASAKI WAS THE BEST THING TO EVER HAPPEN.
USA USA USA
TheJDub1228 7 months ago
GO SEA SHEPERD
ChrisBeBallin 7 months ago
hand granade on those japanese bastards
pingic91 7 months ago
The Japanese Whaling Industry lies because no Country on the whole Planet needs 1000 Whales to do Research only if you say tasting the Whale Meat is Research.
Go Sea Shepherd stop those Terrorists
Pietiman 7 months ago
When Pirats then 100%: Take a fucking Artillery on the front of your Boat and Shot the F.... Japans in the Hell!
CapulloSpawn 8 months ago
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@CapulloSpawn Learn to write first. You don't even deserve the power to speak. Just the whalers you racist moron! Most japanese protest against whaling by not eating whale meat. Most of the meat will be rotting in warehouses, and the whalers will soon realize that they won't make any profit, and whaling will slowly stop.
Horrorlord1 8 months ago
i love how they say its for research but with other research you dont sell it when your done they are doing it for money
salmondude4 8 months ago
I wish we could do 'research' on your bodies and see if you like it!
Charlottegrangex 8 months ago
China and Japan are the Killers of our Planet an our mankind! Hope SeaShepherds really fuck you in future so that you die the same way like the whales! And I will spend any buck my hole life to the guys, so that they can buy the best equipment to fuck you in your little jap asses. Bustard Mutherfuckers! The Tsunami has hit the right country! No buck i would spend for this ill peoples in this country.
Fischkombinat 8 months ago
Japanese, fuck you and stop whaling.
MrSchreckschraube 8 months ago 2
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@MrSchreckschraube Just the whalers you racist moron! Most japanese protest against whaling by not eating whale meat. Most of the meat will be rotting in warehouses, and the whalers will soon realize that they won't make any profit, and whaling will slowly stop.
Horrorlord1 8 months ago
@Walfangmeister those three crew members that claims that they got injured by the sea shepherds are just too stupid to use their own equipment (some kind of a gun or pepper spray....whatever)
So they got what they deserved! DUMBASSES!!
iznoman 9 months ago
You will only see white fats ass rich Americans doing this doing this dumb shit...let someone else ram one of the nazi crackers' ships and see how long that boat stays a float...I am hating the idiots from my country more and more every day. How can an American go about disowning his country?
shermanr6 9 months ago
They threw and threw more than 100 botteles of BUTYRIC ACID into whaling ship and theAntarctic Ocean!
Butyrice acid is prohibited to expose into the enyironment.
It might cause blindness! Three crews of whaling ship were injured and exposed to risk of blindness the day.
Walfangmeister 10 months ago
@Walfangmeister They cause 1,000 whale deaths a year, isn't it enough?
DeadlyInertia 10 months ago
@Walfangmeister who cares about those scumbags? in this case i think blindness is what they deserved at least. i hope they suffer now under terminal cancer based on eating to much meat of animals that are threatened by extinction!
desmo181 9 months ago
japanese people are crazy for animals in this way to finish. it is not 18th eew
kamier11 11 months ago
Los animales Salvajes son de toda la humanidad, no mas genocidio animal, no mas matanzas, Fuerza a los Sea Shepherd,.... QUE ES LO QUE OPINAN LAS BALLENAS DE TODO ESTO!!! ALGUIEN SE LO `PREGUNTO!!!
piscisdiving 11 months ago
progress would have been made. Assuming fin and minke numbers are increasing, have you considered that may be due to the ban?I read JARPA II is including fin and humpback, that's one thing I hope they are wrong. Another thing, eating meat has nothing to do with whether your action is appropriate or not. I've said all I have to say, ideally the minkes will post their comments here, but they are too busy running for their lives. Bye
1000wrongdecisions 1 year ago
@1000wrongdecisions Fin whales were protected before the moratorium was adopted. Minke whales always have been abundant since they started being hunted later than the other whale species, because of their smaller size, and since the IWC regulations were better by then. JARPA II includes fins and humpbcaks because these species have been growing steadily in numbers for a while and now represent an important part of biomass. Thus, data about these whale stocks is necessary for better understanding
isanatori 1 year ago
After performing 'lethal research' on Chinese during WWII, now you do the same to the whales. Can't you think something new without HURTING OTHER LIVES OTHER THAN YOUR OWN!!!!!???????
1000wrongdecisions 1 year ago
@1000wrongdecisions Why ppl always have to compare things than can't be compared and make comparisons to WWII!!!??? Do you eat meat? If yes, you may want to reconsider your comment.
isanatori 1 year ago 3
@isanatori I'm guessing you are saying whaling can't be compared to the human experiments. What I tried to say is can you think of new excuses to cause pain and suffering other than research? Frankly I don't believe this is for research. Especially when the meat end up on consumer's tables. If you care for the animals you'll will find non life-threatening ways. Yes I eat meat but not meat of endangered species. No I will not reconsider my comment.
1000wrongdecisions 1 year ago
@1000wrongdecisions Well, that's research, but not animal experiments, that the Japanese are doing in the Southern Ocean. The fact that the by-product are sold on the Japanese market doesn't change anything to this. Furthermore, the species Japan is catching in its programs aren't endangered: Antarctic minke whales are abundant, fin whales are growing in numbers. You may want to check your facts on this issue.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori In the 80s, IWC banned whaling(minke is one beneficiary) except for research, conveniently ICR was formed few years later for 'research', conveniently thousands killed in ten odd years for 'research' , convenienly the meat ended up on dining tables as 'by-product'. Ideally the world believes but I guess they are not convinced.Japanese are smart people, if they look for non-lethal ways when JARPA started ten odd years ago, much
1000wrongdecisions 1 year ago
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ronnn199 1 year ago
@isanatori in fact you whalers are breaking the law, and lying by writing "research" on the side of your vessel which is miss leading 2011 was the best seas shepherd has ever done thats why you guys dropped your sacks and ran crying back to JAPAN!!!!!!!!!! SUCK IT
TheWaver22 2 months ago
@1000wrongdecisions Something tells me that if this were Germany you wouldn't be having a problem. Because last time I checked, although what the Japanese did was terrible, Germany really did the grunt of the "experiments".
anothersickman 4 months ago
research my ass, good commodity for rich jap folk to enjoy their whale meat, as if they cant live without it.
Igneous01 1 year ago
Save your bullshit replies, you fucking vampire. I not only know about Japanese Whaling, but I know about Japanese (and other Asian) culture. There is nothing you can say that will change who you are, and what you do. You are selfish, cold-hearted, sub-human, and less-than the rest of civilized nations. If we have to baby sit your punkasses, we will, as we have for nearly 80 years. Now shut the fuck up, since YOU obviously, either don't know what you're talking about, or you're too busy sucking.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane So now, you're being racist! Very nice! You can't counter-argue, so you resort to insults and racist bs.
isanatori 1 year ago
You'd like to pretend that you don't know why people are so pissed about what's taking place. But that's just it, you're not that fucking dumb. I am done with your pathetic arrogance, your denial of the facts, and your twisting around of history to distort the evidence into your favor. If you don't know, you'd better ask somebody :) The US was probably narrow-minded in our retaliation after the attacks on Pearl Harbor, but I guess in retrospect, that doesn't matter does it.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane I know why ppl like you are pissed about whaling. Because they are ignorant, narrow-minded and happy to be that way. Pearl Harbor has nothing to do with whaling.
isanatori 1 year ago
Eventually your "research" ships are going to piss off the wrong people, and they will pay the price. Japan's actions in the Pacific Ocean once awoke a sleeping giant. Perhaps Japan hans't figured it out yet - but going into the waters of other countries who have told you to stay the fuck out, is not really a good idea. But you probably don't understand that logic either.Just so we're clear, if I am ignorant as you say I am, then you my friend, redefine the term, "completely fucking retard".
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane Man, you need to come back on Earth sometimes.
isanatori 1 year ago
There is nothing you can say that will change my mind, or the mind of anyone else who knows what is taking place and isn't in the pockets of the Japanese Whaling industry. But fret not. The real sanctions are coming, and just as quickly as this conversation ends, so will Japan's whaling operations, when the US imposes trade sanctions against Japan. You see, there is always someone bigger my friend.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane Yeah, you're probably to proud to try understand what's really happening. Personally, I don't care whether you change your mind or not. If the US imposes trade sanctions on Japan over its legal research program, it will probably backfire on the US.
isanatori 1 year ago
So, at this point, if you still don't think I know what I'm talking about, that's ok. If you are in support of Japanese whaling operations as they currently go, you are a lying, exploiting, murdering, poaching, bullying, uncivilized, greedy little shit of a human being, that makes the worst American capitalist look like the Son of God.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane I'm sure you don't know what you're talking about. Maybe you need to grow up a bit. Hopefully it happens to you at some point of your life.
isanatori 1 year ago
Australia itself, has filed suit continuously against Japan, not only over whaling, but the fact that Japanese ships continue to bully their way into Australian waters. Again, just who in the fuck does Japan think they are? Seriously. I would love to see a Japanese ship enter US waters without permission. It wouldn't be a lawsuit my friend, it would be an ass kicking.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane They filed a suit to the ICJ last year. That's not really "continuously". As I told you several times already, those aren't Australian waters. A Japanese whaling ship entering US waters without permission won't happen. You can always dream. You're life must be so full of frustrations for you to write such bullshit here.
isanatori 1 year ago
You see, there's a continued pattern of blatant disregard on the part of Japan when it comes to any law or regulation regarding whales, because they simply don't give a shit. Even the IWC in 2000 openly condemned Japan's "research" program, but Japan, instead continued to expand its operations. Japan has ignored and continues to ignore international moratoriums, and not surprisingly, the overwhelming majority of the IWC members themselves.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane Yet, what Japan is doing is perfectly legal. The IWC texts you speak of resolutions, and aren't binding. They have no effect on the ICRW.
isanatori 1 year ago
This is a great cause for the uprising against Japan, showing that it will exploit every law, ignore every protection passed for whales, and will go into waters to do what they want until someone puts up a fight. Fact: Sperm and Byrde's whales are internationally protected whales. Question: Who the hell does Japan think they are to ignore those protections? No one authorized Japan to conduct "research" on them, and yet, they hunt them just like the minke.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane Special permits for research as defined in article 8 of the ICRW are exempt of any conservation measure in the convention.In other words, Japan is taling Bryde's whales and Sperm whales legally through its research programs. Read the convention, man. It's all there.
isanatori 1 year ago
If we continue to let whaling operations proceed unchecked, we could be on a very dangerous course in terms of population with the whales in the next 10-20 years.
Japan goes into the Southern Ocean Whale Sanctuary, to conduct its "research" when these grounds are off limits to whale poachers. Research or not, killing whales in this territory is considered by the founders of the legislature, as a violation
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane Really? What do you base your assumption on?
The southern ocean whale sanctuary of 1994, like any other conservation measures in the Schedule of the ICRW, has no effect on catching whales under special permit (article 8).
isanatori 1 year ago
japan has no discipline, restraint, or responsibility when they hunt. The profits are their primary concern.Fact: The results according to ANY "research" shows a continued decline in whale population, largely due to whaling operations. In ten years, the approximate count of 760,000 minke whales has almost been cut in half (something the Japanese government refuses to acknowledge).
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane You don't know what you're talking about man. The number of minkes has never been cut in half. There's no official estimate after the one of 1990 (760,000). Check your facts.
isanatori 1 year ago
Furthermore, Japanese whaling fleets harvest more than just minke whales. Basically, Japan isn't examining shit. You don't have to kill thousands of whales to count how many there are, genius.Contrary research into both present and past historical perspectives clearly state that nations like Japan (and even the US before they decided to get with the program) will drive hunted animals into endangerment.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane Yeah, they take Fin whales too. It's all in the research project outline. Catching a few whales isn't about just counting them. Once again, educate yourself on the subject, man. You know so few.
isanatori 1 year ago
The guise of Japan's claim to "research" is blown full of holes, in that the single argument remains - the only true research findings of the IWC is "stock management of the minke whale" when slaughtering whales to harvest their meat does nothing to "manage whale stocks". If anything it diminishes them.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane You need to read the reports of the IWC scientific committee more carefully. If you can understand them, that is.
isanatori 1 year ago
While Japan's operations are "technically" legal, the only thing standing in the way of making it illegal, is further gathering of evidence against the operations, which I assure you are underway. You may or may not agree, but the fact that Japan has paid untold hundreds of millions of dollars to keep their practices legal, is proof that they are afraid of what is soon to come.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane So we agree it's legal. Japan hasn't paid money to make it legal. There's a convention, the ICRW, a text signed by 88 nations, that makes it legal.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
You call that a debate? All you've done is say "you're ignorant" or "you don't know the facts" or "maybe if you grow up a bit" or "maybe this that or the other". In other all you offered in terms of of debate, is your own subjective fucking opinion just as I have. Oh I'm narrow minded. Like I said, your subjective fucking opinion. Yes, Japan entering waters that belong to another country when they have been told to stay the fuck out, is considered an act of war, just like P. Harbor
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane You can talk, man. You've been using colorful language in most of your comments. Anyway, since you refuse to continue a conversation, goodbye. Maybe one day, you'll check all the conventions and treaty I quoted and reconsider your opinion. Once again, though, the Southern Ocean doesn't belong to anyone. It's no Australian waters. I feel sorry for you not to be able to understand this. That's your problem anyway.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
Japan HAS paid money to members of the international community to exploit votes in favor of their operations. IT'S PUBLIC FUCKING RECORD ASSHOLE - LOOK IT UP! OK seriously I thought by shedding light on facts into your argument you'd at least back away SLIGHTLY when you're wrong, but you wont. You are a coward. Don't bother replying. I refuse to continue conversation with your delusional ass. You are a murdering sack of greedy shit, and am ashamed of even having spoke to you.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane Japan offers ODA to many countries (even anti-whaling ones). There's no "public fucking record" of Japan buy votes, but well there's anti-whaling propaganda saying that Japan is using its ODA to supposedly buy the votes of some member countries at the IWC. If you refer to the Sunday Times article, I read it and even watched their videos, it proves nothing. All the people interviewed just give their opinion or say that they've heard of someone who has heard that someone blablabla...
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
Exactly, which when you think about it, is all you're doing - listening to someone give their opinion, blahblahblah. But, you believe them, because it's what you want to believe. You've made a choice on which stance you're going to take and that couldn't be more obvious. Here's what you've missed all along. I know what the treaty says - I just don't give a shit. Treaty or not, I think Japan's actions are wrong (and Norway, etc). Slavery was once legal, but someone fought it :)
Bye.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane Really? Like quoting the ICRW is "listening to someone"? I read that by myself and invite you to the same, man. I think you've made your choice and that's to not change your mind because you want to believe what you've been told to be the truth without checking other sources. I have read the arguments on the websites of Greenpeace or Sea Shepherd, and I know they spread misinformation on purpose about the legal status of Japan's research programs or the reality at the IWC.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
Ok.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
The "scientific" information obtained from Japan's "research" program, comes from the 1987 ventures in the Antarctic. The rest are recognized by leaders all around the globe and in the UN, as poaching. In previous hearings, leaders actually drew up sanctions because of Japan's extortion vote purchasing of the International Whaling Commission, while offering financial aid to smaller impoverished nations to speak up at the IWC in favor of their illegal operations (including the United Nations).
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane Man, you're definitely confusing a lot of things here. The UN isn't recognizing Japan's research programs on cetaceans as "poaching". What sanctions are you talking about? Any reference?
isanatori 1 year ago
This is what, the fourth time Japan has certified for "research" into whaling operations? You say "fat chance at having Japan's research operations classified as illegal". Fact numbnuts: it's already been done, several times, because it seems constant that Japanese "research" more times than not ends up as delicacy meat in markets (remember that 90% figure you made fun of? Well it has been used in the international debates against Japan's whaling operations).
cntd
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane Ambassador BALTON: "Japan does perform scientific research on the whales they take, and probably have the best whale science as a result. But it is also true that the products of the research have been sold on the open market." There was a hearing, May 6th 2010, at the US Congress. Look for the transcript.
isanatori 1 year ago
I'll be willing to look at things through different eyes, when whaling of the endangered humpback whale is stopped. And no, if you must know, I am a vegetarian, not because I don't like the taste of meat, but because of how the animals are treated in slaughter houses. I want to understand why whalers persist in slaughtering endangered animals. But those operations lose sympathy with me when they sell the meat in a very lucrative industry. It is wrong my friend, and we need to put an end to it.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane First, Japan isn't catching any humpback whales right now, even though the species is included in the JARPA2 program. However, humpback whales aren't really "endangered". Recent observations and studies show that their number have been increasing steadily for several years, some populations having a 14% increase rate. All the whale species caught in Japan's research programs aren't endangered, some like the Antarctic minke whales are even abundant.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
Alright fine dude here you go. Japan isn't doing anything wrong, whales aren't endangered, there isn't a brutal operation going on in foreign waters. No other governments are pissed off at Japanese whaling ships. There isn't a huge outcry against Japanese whaling. There isn't a lucrative industry for whale meat. Everyone who has ever said anything in contradiction to what you think, is completely in the wrong. The Easter Bunny is real, and my shit smells like roses.
Satisfied?
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane It's not about me forcing what I think on you, man. But unless you're ready to accept a debate and that what you believe to be true may be wrong, then there's no point you argue with anyone. Btw, as I told you already, the waters in the Southern Ocean where Japan catches whales aren't "foreign waters". They are international waters". Any claims on the Antarctic continent and its surrounding waters are blocked by the Antarctic Treaty System.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
Already told ya, of course I was wrong dude. didn't you know that? Everyone who disagrees with you is always wrong. There's no point in accepting the debate. No one can be right against your greatness. I was wrong you win and stuff. K?
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@isanatori
Basically you're right, everything you said is completely right, what I said was completely wrong. Please forgive me for disagreeing with you, a creature far superior than the average human being. For thou needest not care about facts, since you can interpret them anyway you want, and re-establish your own facts. You are omnipotent and all powerful like that, and your opinion is magnified for greater than anyone else. Hear ye hear ye, humans of earth, the great Isantori has spoken!
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane So what? Someone counter-argues with you and all you can do is deny everything and just say bullshit like that? I've provided you with arguments. I pretty much think you're the one establishing your own facts, like "I know a lot more than you about law", "it's 90% commercial whaling", "whales are endangered", etc.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
Exactly, and well said man. I was totally making it all up. You were right, I was wrong. You've provided solid arguments, and I have not provided solid replies. I am completely in the error zone, and humbly seek your forgiveness.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@isanatori
When are you going to start harvesting humans? They aren't endangered - in fact they are over populating the planet. Go ahead, harvest humans. Most of them will probably speak a different language. You can even do it under the guise of "research". Then slaughter them, and sell their meat in your markets. I'm sure there's is some sick fucking Asian demand for human meat, where there's an ancient and beautiful custom, that if you eat the flesh of another man, you'll be smarter.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane Are you putting killing whales and killing humans on the same level? What kind of logic is that?
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
Foolish logic really. It goes with a core belief that we are all living creatures and share the planet, and furthermore the belief that human beings, just because we have superior intelligence, doesn't mean we should enslave/masacre every other living thing on the planet. But I KNOW, I'm wrong there too, so before you say it, let me apologize for that too. I am wrong in this conviction as well. Please forgive me.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane
Let me just ask you one final question. Do you, as an individual, think it is ok to kill whales for profit? Let's see if you have the ability to give a yes or no answer, to a yes or no question.
Yes or no?
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane If it is done sustainably and for using every materials (meat, blubber, bones, etc.), yes.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
Thank you, that's all I needed to hear.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane So what about lions and other predators? Do they have a right to kill other animals for feeding?
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
Lions dont have the ability to grow their own crops and create energy from nuclear fusion. Also human beings are not carnivores or even omnivores (predators). Our digestive track and bodies were not meant to consume meat. That's why cholesterol and fats are killing us.
I know what Im talking about, and I have years of research experience. If you continue to force my hand, I'm going to make you look like an idiot. Last chance to shut it down with some dignity my friend :)
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane Wow! You say you know the law better than anyone and have years of experience in research, yet you've shown me just ignorant you are. In fact, it's not just ignorance, it's also narrow-mindedness.
Anyways, you may say whatever you want. Humans are commonly regarded as omnivores. The health problems you suggest are due to unbalanced diets in western societies where consumption of cholesterol and fats is too important. The human body can digest/much meat/fish as well as vegetables.
isanatori 1 year ago
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SAVECETAOCEANS 1 year ago
Haha hell yeah, rip the fucking nets off. Love it.
Give me command of a single US Naval Destroyer, a good crew, and one season. I'll show ya how to deal with whale hunters.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane "Give me command of a single US Naval Destroyer, a good crew, and one season. I'll show ya how to deal with whale hunters." That won't happen, loser.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
No shit? Well I may not get my hands on a US destroyer but em, I think your video is proof that em, people can take matters into their hands, and seriously fuck up some Japanese whale operations. Haha, if I'm a loser, I'm a loser having the last laugh - because you uploaded a video showing some Jap whale ships getting fucked up by a private boat with a handful of volunteers. Again, I DARE some Japanese boats to come into US waters to hunt whale. DOUBLE DARE you - pussy.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane Well, the Sea Stupids do ram Japanese vessels in the Southern Ocean... yet, the Japanese continue to send their vessels to the Southern to conduct their perfectly legal research program. They won't send any vessel to US waters. There are more whales in the Southern Ocean. Not point in going to US waters, honestly. Alaskan Eskimos hunt whales in US waters, though. Maybe you want to send navy vessels against them. Stupid and ignorant loser.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
No it's NOT legal. And it's funny how "research" vessels are killing so many whales and making billions off of it. What are they researching - how much money they make off whale meat? Get the fuck out of here. You my buy that stupid bullshit, but I don't. The Eskimos live on this continent, moron. Australia doesn't belong to the Japanese. You need to read a fucking dictionary, because your words don't make a whole lot of sense.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane The research is perfectly legal, man. It's just that you're too ignorant and lazy to know it. International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling? Article 8? Never heard these words? It's maybe time you take your fingers out of your arse and start thinking by yourself, pal. "Australia doesn't belong to the Japanese"... What's your point? Those waters in the Southern Ocean don't belong to Australia. Treaty for the Antarctic? Don't know this either? So much ignorance, impressive!
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
Yeah I've heard about all that shit. BUT the Japanese whaling fleets do enter Australian waters. Sure they can call it "research" but it's not any fucking "research" and you know it. Those Japanese ships that enter Australian waters and kill whales need to be fucking sank to the bottom of the ocean. Don't try to get into a battle of legal terminology with me, you'll lose. And yes, the Japanese have entered Australian waters. They do it all the time. Quit acting stupid, fuck face.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane Ahaha! So now, you're short of any argument, so what you do is just deny everything. If those waters were really belonging to Australia, OZ navy ships would have been sent a long time ago. As for the Japanese performing research on whales, it's obvious that it's true. It's really easy to get many tissue samples from dead whales, you know. And many papers are presented to the IWC Scientific Committee every year. You need to see things from different angles, man.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
I see it from one angle - stop mass killing whales for profit. It's gonna fuck up the entire eco system.
Good chat. Peace.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane So that's quite an uneducated angle, I must say. Taking a few whales (compared to the total population) isn't going to "fuck up" the entire ecosystem. Up to you to stay in your ignorance.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
Alright listen to me you shithead. You don't know me, you aren't a psychic. You obviously know shit about my education. You know shit about Maritime and International Law (I have studied quite a bit of law actually, including the Napoleonic Code). You know shit about the endangered whale population, and the contribution just one of these large mammals makes to the planet. You are either just trying to piss people off, are are truly stupid. Either way, I said fuck off, I'm done.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane Well, all your comments just proved me the opposite of what you say. You don't know about the International Convention for the Regulation of Whaling. You don't know about the Treaty for the Antarctic. You don't know about the estimates of the different whale species Japan hunts in its research programs. What "pisses you off" is just your inability to accept you're wrong. You say "fuck off", yet you're the one who come posting comments on one of my vids.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
I said fuck off, because I tried to end this civilly about 4 posts ago by saying "Good chat, peace". But you being the deranged fucker that you are, can't take a hint. And hell no I'm not gonna admit I'm wrong, any sooner than you are going to admit you're wrong. Whale hunting is illegal. Just because you paint "research" on the side of the ship, but still sell the meat, doesn't change it. It's Illegal. Do you understand? It's illegal. Understand? Illegal. Yes again, fuck off.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane Article 8 of the ICRW, man. It's all there. You can claim it's illegal as many times as you want, it won't change the fact that it's perfectly legal. Selling the meat doesn't prevent the catches from being legal. Check the article 8. As I said, it's just you not admitting the reality.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
You posted "your video" on the open internet. I keep posting because you keep saying shit, pretend like it doesn't exist. And even if I researched and posted the exact heading of the laws Japanese Whale operation are violating, you STILL would have something to say, because you're a brainwashed idiot, who wants to try and convince everyone else that they are brainwashed idiots for disagreeing with you and calling out Japanese whale hunting. Do you seriously not know the law?
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane "Notwithstanding anything contained in this Convention any Contracting Government may grant to any of its nationals a special permit authorizing that national to kill, take and treat whales for purposes of scientific research (...)" <= I'm quoting the article 8 of the ICRW. "Anything in this Convention" means the moratorium and the Southern Ocean whale sanctuary. I'm not trying to convince you being a brainwashed idiot, you're proving me you are one at each of your comments.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
Alright one more time genius. RESEARCH, is LEGAL. WHAT JAPAN IS DOING, IS NOT RESEARCH. IT's ILLEGAL WHALE OPERATIONS, UNDER THE GUISE OF RESEARCH. NO ONE IS BUYING THE BULLSHIT DUDE. WE ALL KNOW IT"S NOT RESEARCH JAPAN IS DOING. ITS WHALING, and JAPAN IS MAKING BILLIONS OF DOLLARS OFF OF IT. IT...IS>..NOT>.RESEARCH. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD. WE KNOW ITS NOT RESEARCH JAPAN IS DOING.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND ME NOW? YOU ARE KILLING WHALES FOR PROFIT. THAT, IS ILLEGAL.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane No, no. That's research. It's often called "research whaling", since they catch whales "for purposes of scientific research". So it's both research and whaling. They do produce scientific data and papers to the IWC scientific committee every year. Unless the ICJ case initiated by Australia concludes that Japan's research programs are illegal (which is very unlikely to happen), you can't say it's illegal. IT IS PERFECTLY LEGAL!! Nothing forbid to sell the whale meat. See article 8.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
Um yes it is, there is a global ban on whaling. Just because a law allows for the conducting of research, doesn't mean it removes all previous laws prohibiting whaling. Jesus Christ man, where did you go to school? If there's a law that says don't murder, but a new law comes into place that says self defense is alright - just because you might kill someone in self defense .001% of the time, doesn't mean that murdering the other 99.999% of the time is legal. It WILL catch up to you.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane Here again, you're showing me that you don't know much about this issue. The global ban is on "commercial" whaling. Scientific whaling is allowed by the article 8 of the ICRW, the founding text of the IWC. The convention comes before the global ban and its article 8 states clearly states "notwithstanding anything contained in this Convention". Honestly, I strongly recommend you to check about the IWC and ICRW. You're example about murder doesn't make much sense.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori There you go again, you don't seem to know much about this. What Japan is doing is about 90% commercial whaling and 10% "research". The global ban is in effect. If it weren't, there wouldn't be an argument. I strongly suggest you take a few classes on critical thinking before you try to interpret law, and lecture other people on it. My comparison about murder, makes perfect sense to someone who has at least a high school education.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane My guess is that you believe this is "commercial" because the meat is being sold. Well, once again, I must ask you to read the article 8 of ICRW: "(...) Any whales taken under these special permits shall so far as practicable be processed and the proceeds shall be dealt with in accordance with directions issued by the Government by which the permit was granted. (...)" It's not about interpreting the law, it's about reading it, which you seem to have done in the first place.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
No, I believe it is commercial whaling, because the actions of the Japanese "research" fleet, clearly define "commercial whaling". I seriously don't understand why that's so difficult for you to understand. Neither one of us are going to change our minds. I, like most people on the planet have a soft spot for protecting whales. You, and others like you, dont give a shit about whales or the rest of the planet, and will kill anything if it turns a profit. You are virus to this planet.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane Well, you're free to believe what you want. That doesn't necessarily make it so. And I rather feel it's you who don't want to understand. I'm not sure "most people" think like you. However,don't think I don't care about whales. It's just that I think whales can be culled sustainably and that's what the Japanese are doing (and the Norwegians and Icelanders too). I recommend you to try to look at things with a different eye.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori
Oh and I've seen a few of your other videos. I know about the whaling communities you so boldly promote and support. It's clear that certain cultures in Japan are clearly exploiting research laws to continue their illegal whaling operations. SHAME on you, you two-faced, whale-poaching liar! I hope every one of your ships get sank to the ocean floor. These warm-blooded creatures have done nothing to you, and you exploit their very flesh. Got nothing else to say to you, worm.
JurisArcane 1 year ago
@JurisArcane I boldly promote and support whaling communities? Are you talking about the videos of festivals/song related to ancient whaling? In what are these "exploiting research laws"? In what am I two-faced? Where did I lie? Do you eat beef, pork, chicken? If so, did these warm-blooded animals do anything to you to "exploit their very flesh"? Open your eyes, man! I'm saying that for your own sake.
isanatori 1 year ago
Shame on you whalers!
I wish that you will rot in hell or whatever you call it, for the eternity!!!
michalisschumi 1 year ago
Shame on Japan!
stunningstu 1 year ago
fuck whale hunting!
askingmanuel 1 year ago
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askingmanuel 1 year ago
Its funny, Japan supposedly kills the whales for research, and they have been out for years whaleing to do "research" and yet, a German Bioligist collects some skin samples from a few whales, and releases them and finds out just about every thing he can about them, and they kill houndreds of them to do research...
Jeremiah1017th 1 year ago
isent it just nice how they dont show this kind of stuff on their show...they sure do a good job of making themselfs look like they are doing the right thing on TV but when u see it from a different view thats not really the case
reaper621993 1 year ago
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The whalers are pretending it's scientific purposes so they can continue to break a law that's been in place since 1986. Japan is not a poor country anymore! They needn't hunt whales! Japan is always operating behind some kind of deception, just like Pearl Harbour. Before 1986 they killed 2000 whales yearly. "Commercial" whaling was banned and made illegal in 1986. Today, the Japs kill 900+ per year for "scientific purposes". Before 1986, the Japs killed 200 per year for scientific purposes.
info145 1 year ago
it's not research at all, they're using that as a coverup, they're killing innocent animals for their benefit and sick lives. I've lost all respect for Japan
LacrosseJunkie 1 year ago
hey whalers couldn't you use your talent and resources to protect the environment instead? how can you claim to kill for the sake of conversation? that is like war for peace, isanatori open your eyes man, change your side, for your children.
guachingman 1 year ago
@guachingman Catching whales sustainably, that is few enough to not endanger the species, is perfectly sound for the sake of conservation. guachingman, I invite you to look at this subject a bit more objectively. The Japanese are not hunting whales to the brink of extinction.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori catching? you mean killing don't you?, and how on earth killing few enough is perfectly sound for the sake of conservation?
For what are the japanese and others exactly hunting whales? I also urge you to be more objective friend. Sure there are still a lot of whales, but once there were lots of tigers too, and wolfs and bears and tuna fish init?....hunting them didn't quite help their survival did it?
guachingman 1 year ago
@guachingman Yeah, catching=killing. Killing a few whales from abundant populations (like Antarctic minke whales) isn't going to make the concerned species extinct. It's all matter of sustainability. The Japanese are catching whales to obtain scientific data (in order to make possible commercial whaling on a sustainable basis). The Norwegians and Icelanders hunt whales commercially, mainly for food. Alaskan Eskimos, Greenland Inuits hunt whales for food too. It's all performed sustainably.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori "Catching whales sustainably, that is few enough to not endanger the species, is perfectly sound for the sake of conservation"
Thats the lie the Japs keep repeating. They claim its for research yet everyone agree's that teh meat is sold as food. Other conservationists and researches don't need to kill anything to research them. For example should I blow a hole in your head and claim its research to help save lifes?
Tzimnewman3 1 year ago
@Tzimnewman3 As part of the IWC's Article 8 it basically states that if a whale is taken for research then no usable parts should be wasted. Thus the meat is sold. The selling of the meat is withing the guidelines of the IWC.
USDAChuckSteak 1 year ago
@USDAChuckSteak "The selling of the meat is withing the guidelines of the IWC."
This wouldn't be a problem if Japan didn't abuse this loophole. The problem with this loophole is it creates a demand for the whale meat. Its so popular in Japan that in order to keep up with the demand increased "Research" is done.
There is no reason to kill the whale in order to do "Research". Unless your doing it for food which is clearly the case here.
Tzimnewman3 1 year ago
@Tzimnewman3 So now you are switching your argument? You made a comment to the meat being sold as if it was being done illegally. I pointed out how it was completely legal. That is all.
As for lethal research, you can NEVER obtain the same data from non-lethal as you can lethal. To even state so it obtuse.
*Now, let's see if you can actually read and comprehend that last part. Try top comment to what I specifically said. If you can.
USDAChuckSteak 1 year ago
@USDAChuckSteak "So now you are switching your argument? You made a comment to the meat being sold as if it was being done illegally."
If I am found innocent of killing someone and then I later say I killed them knwoing I can not be found sent to court twice for the same crime would you insist on telling me I am innocent just because the law says I am. I would expect many people to say I am guilty because they know I have done the crime.
Tzimnewman3 1 year ago
@Tzimnewman3 OK?
USDAChuckSteak 1 year ago
@USDAChuckSteak "As for lethal research, you can NEVER obtain the same data from non-lethal as you can lethal. To even state so it obtuse."
How are the American's able to carry out research on whales without killing them and selling their meat back home?? Not only American researchers are able to carry out research without killing. Whale meat is not that popular for food in America or other parts of the world where research does not lead to killing.
Tzimnewman3 1 year ago
@Tzimnewman3 American researchers don't provide much scientific data about Antarctic minke whales to the IWC. David Balton of OES even admitted that "Japan does perform scientific research on the whales they take, and probably have the best whale science as a result" at a hearing at the House of Representatives in May 2010.
Australia-NZ so-called non-lethal research program in the Southern Ocean also failed to provide any useful scientific information.
isanatori 1 year ago
@isanatori "American researchers don't provide much scientific data about Antarctic minke whales to the IWC."
The Americans say they do and so does many other countries so someone is not telling the truth.
Tzimnewman3 1 year ago
@Tzimnewman3 Again, non-lethal research cannot obtain the exact same data as lethal research. Quality research CAN be done in a non-lethal manner. I'n not saying it can't. Again, try to read and comprehend....
Example: Age of a whale can only be exactly detirmined by researching the ear plug. The only way to get the ear plug is by removing it. Removing it means the whale must be dead. See...CAN'T GET THE SAME DATA.
Also, sale of whale meat commercially is illegal in the US. Strawman.
USDAChuckSteak 1 year ago
@USDAChuckSteak "Also, sale of whale meat commercially is illegal in the US. Strawman."
Yes, this is why America does not kill whales for research. There is no profit in killing the whale where as in Japan the motive to kill a whale is clearly profit.
Tzimnewman3 1 year ago
@Tzimnewman3 The sale of whale meat has nothing to do with why the US doesn't conduct lethal research.
USDAChuckSteak 1 year ago
@USDAChuckSteak "The sale of whale meat has nothing to do with why the US doesn't conduct lethal research"
How much whale meat is being sold in America? Name some shops?
Tzimnewman3 1 year ago
@Tzimnewman3 Did I ever say whale meat is being sold in the US? Whale meat isn't allowed to be sold in the US. That is US law. And that has nothing to do with why the US doesn't conduct lethal research. The US doesn't conduct lethal research because it (the US) has it's own laws that outlaw all forms of whaling. I believe the US stopped it's commercial whaling prior to the IWC moratorium on commercial whaling. So again, the sale of whale maet has nothing to do with the US not lethal researching.
USDAChuckSteak 1 year ago
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@USDAChuckSteak "Did I ever say whale meat is being sold in the US? Whale meat isn't allowed to be sold in the US. That is US law."
And why is it against the law to sale whale meat in the US?
Tzimnewman3 1 year ago
@Tzimnewman3 Because the US made a law to govern it's own citizens. US law has nothing to do with other countries whaling for research. The reason why the US doesn't conduct lethal research is because it is against US law to kill a whale. Japan does not have a law against whaling.
I'm trying to figure out what you point is....do you have one?
USDAChuckSteak 1 year ago
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@USDAChuckSteak "US law has nothing to do with other countries whaling for research. The reason why the US doesn't conduct lethal research is because it is against US law to kill a whale."
Why did the US make such a law? What was the reason for making that law? How is the rest of the world able to conduct research without killing?
"I'm trying to figure out what you point is....do you have one?"
Yes there is a point but you will have to work it out for yourself.
Tzimnewman3 11 months ago
@guachingman Ever heard of making money?
AirCalv 1 year ago
@AirCalv too often...
guachingman 1 year ago
FACK YOU WHALE!!!!! AND FUCK YOU DOLPHIN!!!!!! lol
gothicfuneral1 1 year ago
Call a spade, a spade...... This is not for research.. How long and how many whales will be killed before this research is complete... I have been following this for 5 years now and they have taken around 4500 whales in the name of research. How long does it take for them to figure out the migratory path of the minke whale and what it eats?
Wouldn't it be easier for them just to google it?
Props to all the people involved with the sea sheppards, keep up the good work.
The1SandBox 1 year ago
WHERE THE HELL DO U SEE THEM TRYING TOO BOARD
THEBUSINESSMAN93 1 year ago
How many times do these anti whaling idiots have to break the international anti collision rules to be punished. They should have their vessel confiscated once and for all. While killing the whales is bad they are not doing anything illegal. Many international gov'ts have been watching this crap go on for years so if the japanese fleet was breaking the law then they would've been fined etc. Ramming another ship is ignorant and dangerous.
morrisrobert314 1 year ago
BCO sucks
burri123 1 year ago
they are not even trying 2 get on if they wanted 2 get on they would they got on 2 times so they know how 2 boad ur dang shitp wut they need 2 do is sink them!!!!!!!
summerschoolgrad 1 year ago
You're gonna pay for what you're doing!
DiogoFoX84 1 year ago