this video is not all: the "Peace activists" also, while the soldiers threatened them with paint-ball guns (not even rubber!) threw a mini-granade, stole their real guns and started fire (note another video shows that. you can hear it on the IDF contact-machine that was recorded)
while the soldiers were shot at - they shot back.
peace activists to me looks more like turkish soccer hooligans moving to Gaza via ship. They get what they deserved. Too bad some of them escaped alive
We support Israel and support the legitimate right stemming from international law in self-defense and of course we condemn all those terrorist organizations operating in the occupied Palestinian territories against citizens of Israel. greek ministe r of defence.. all creta airports and suda bay are availabel to israel airforce,,
News media always leavs out the other boats travelling with the flotilla which did not get 1 person injured. Why? Becuse no one on the boat threw knives and poles at IDF soldiers.
If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world." message of Lady mary in 1917,Portugal
Leftist Media will always depict Israel as evil and Hamas as the good ones! in fact communists terrorists and radical muslims are working together for the end of America and the implantation of the new world order ,a communist one-world government!
I really blame Bibi for letting these terrorists go and simply free them after arresting them only because of the international pressure... It was a MISTAKE.
Every normal country would arrest these people for many years, especially those who were involve with the violence... it's disgrace.
If that ship was full of Hamas Soldiers the Israeli soldiers would have been killed before ever getting on the ship, By Rockets, RPG's & AK-47's, Any person on a ship that had to face what they faced would have done the same thing, You have a baseball bat, They have guns, & they are on your ship to kill you, But have to make it look good for CNN.
@TheHoustonMuslim If Israel's mission was to kill the people on these boats (Hamas ultimate dream), don't you think they would've 'attacked' all six of them? Why were five boats peacefully retained? What was so special about this particular boat? Hmm... MIGHT BE THE PEOPLE IN IT.
israel all have false facts about what really happend. there version is kinda like an oxymoron or just doesent make any sense i mean cmon look at the title "PEACE Activist lynch israeli SOLDIERS" are you serious you got to be kidding me tryna to manipulate people by giving false information is not the jewsh way...
@onlylettersinname No, its """""Peace Activist"""" lynch Israeli soldiers. What makes you think its not true? Cause for me it makes perfect sense """""Peace Activist"""""" are not real Peace Activists.
@cpeigney94 because of the actual FACTS!!! about those people on board the ship and there interviews with journalist from many different news stations call them peace activist, only a very small minorty of people actually agree with ur side of the story.... just so you know
There were six boats, five of them where stopped peacefully. So who is responsible? The IDF or the people in this particular boat. Are we watching the same video?
@cpeigney94 u do know that the idf did kill 10 people on board the ship one of them being an american, so ur calling an american a terrorist because he was on board the ship. but if u have your facts do they tell you about that the idf fired guns at the activist first before boarding and that they decided to forcefully stop the boat and board it. even though the boat just happen to be in international waters, u forget that israel has to be held accountable for the crimes they commit also.
@onlylettersinname they were killed because they wanted to be,and they attacked the israelis to ensure that they got their wish. to the american and maybe 2 o 3 innocent others were in the wrrrrooong both with the wrrroong people, bad luck. Remember, only 1 of 6 boats had issues.
Jewish pirates. Its that simple. "International water". Israel is like a kid talking smack with his big brother backing him up. Israel only has power as long as the US gives it to them, Israel would fall in a day without the US holding it up. We (US) need to pull all aid, training, weapons, etc. etc. the list goes on. from Israel. Let it stand or fall. We all know the Answer. Islam is growing in the US. It is a matter of time tell Israel will be very much alone.
Your people are responsible for killing Jesus. The same mentality exist today with these extremist Khazar Zionist as was in the times of Jesus. You haven't changed. Remember God is not and will not look favorable on your people. You are doomed in Gods Sight. So change your ways and repent like you never did before, you may then have a chance to escape God's anger. But guess what if you never took lesson from Jesus, you will not take lesson now. I feel really sorry for you and your people.
Darum tragen ja auch Polizisten Waffen, weil sie Doubjas geistige Bryder sind, nichtwahr?!? Darum waren ja auch die friedensstiftenden IDF-Piraten unbewaffnet, oder?!? Misst Du da vll. auch mit zweierlei Mass, sehealles? Oder ist das schon Heuchelei?!?
@Blindfisch Versteh bitte dass ich auf Kommentare die ausser Beleidigungen keinerlei Argumente enthalten nicht antworten kann. Ich brauche auch keine Waffen, aber fyr den Fall dass sich das unerwartet aendert bieten mir Waffen Optionen, die ich ohne sie nicht haette. Beispiel: Nothilfe leisten.
@seheallesduauch Aehm ich glaube nicht dass eine Hetzer wie Du im Namen der 'Friedensbewegung' sprechen kann. So lange es ungebildete fanatische Verrueckte (wie Dich) gibt, ziehe ich es vor meinen Frieden mit Waffen zu sichern.
Jene, die ihre Schwerter zu Pflugscharen gemacht haben, werden fyr die Pflygen myssen, die es nicht getan haben.
Du sagst also dass die Friedensaktivisten nur von wenigen Gewalttätern unterwandert wurden und der Rest sich gewaltfrei der Uebermacht der IDF gebeugt hat?
@seheallesduauch Wieso Heuchelei? Natyrlich bin ich auch ein bewaffneter Pazifist. Alles andere waere Perlen vor die Saeue.
Die ganze Welt wusste dass die Friedensflotte ein Mediencoup werden sollte. Dass die IDF nicht schlauer und unblutiger gehandelt haben werfe ich ihnen vor.
Viktor Ostrovsky ist der Meinung dass natyrlich Mossad Agenten an Bord waren, und das Militaer den Hilfstransport auch unblutig haette kanalisieren koennen.
If you look closely to the soldier who's coming down first. Then you will see that he's kicking a passenger hard in the face with his foot, directly after that action the passengers are handling in an accepted and allowed manner to defend them self against the soldiers. The soldiers didn't come to control, it seems they were there to kill.
we are not the yesterday's chıld on these lands like israel...We have faced all world since we establish our country(new zeland-ındıa-england-greeks-austrians-spanish and also arabs..ie)..we know the smell of our soil and the pain better than these israelis..you can see our souls in any single part of europe africa and asia..jews are not enemy of turks..ıf it was we couldnt save them from Inquisition of spain 300 years ago..anyone can search who saved jews in europe..the enemy is israeli govrnt
HOW CAN U MAKE OUT that Israel is the victim in all of this - they are the true zionist nazi racist, apartheid creating - stormtroopers, who will definently taste death soon enough.
@Mctripidon1990 since we see on your page that you are a muslim, and you chose to use the word pigs (from "pigs and apes" perhaps?) relating to the IDF soldiers, we can see that you are in fact a racist.
This is what Israel has to put up with. No intelligence, no facts, just racism. Pathetic, petty, small minded low brow racism.
You are a petty little racist. You will never be intelligent enough to understand what is happening, only racist enough to attack others.
@Mctripidon1990 and we FURTHER know this is true (that you are nothing but a sick twisted racist) because you wrote, on another video, the comment "Hamas would kick your old shylock asses" (on a vid called Mahal , Overseas Volunteers In Israel's Fighting Force - Isr)
You are nothing but a sick, inhumane, twisted racist. Scum of the earth.
If I was in the Israeli Commandos these Clowns would have had nothing to laugh.
Peace activism my ass, the only reason people are against israel is because they are at war with themselves, are not grown up and attack the things that must take place. they cant take their failure like a man but constantly invent new slogans and streams of thought to circumnavigate what has been written down long ago.
Israel offered the Palestinians to withdraw from 92-96 % of the territories. It done so in three different occasions, witnessed by 2 different American presidents.
This Israeli offer was never answered, not "yes we agree" nor "no we do not agree" and not even "we agree to some points, lets continue the discussion on the following".
Nothing, Israel received no answer at all, to its offers.
@roustem1 = How many children have the Hamas killed by lobbing rockets into schools in Sderot? Why must you continue the violence against Israel? It is so foolish to risk retaliation and what else can Israel do? Our nation (USA) would NEVER allow this to happen to our citizens! NEVER! Anyone who shoots rockets over a border at our children would be DEAD the next day! Why don't these people get this? STOP bombing Israel and you can live in peace!
@voipartyrocks If our country had another race of people "CAGED IN" behind a wall, and stole their land, bulldozed their homes and orchards, cut their water and electricity, our people would revolt and stop it ! They "LOB" rockets because they don't have helicopter gun-ships that take out WHOLE apartment buildings full of innocent men,women, and, CHILDREN ! THINK ! This started 62 years ago when ZIONISTS INVADED! If someone tryed that in the US, YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN !!!
@roustem1 The majority of deaths are the result of Hamas' inhumane, horrible acts. Hiding behind children, using them as shields (sometimes their own children), hiding weapons in schools. Truly this group, as well as other groups like Islamic Jihad are the worst humanity can produce.
Had they had stronger weapons the number of dead Israelis would be an impossible amount higher, so high we cannot even imagine.
We all hope for the end of Hamas-like groups thus the end of dying on either side.
@rulllar fuckin lying zionist propaganda - u used white phrospherus on a civilian population - hamas can't get their hands on that - stop comparing a few homemade fireworks to a genocide that happened 60 years ago - u have become the knew stormtroopers - the new nazis look at you fuck sake man.
@Mctripidon1990 here we go. First I'm "zionist propaganda" then I (not an army) used phosphorous on people.
Hamas' 10,000 rockets ONLY ON CIVILIANS (NO military intent at all), whose intent isn't only to kill but to ethnically cleanse, a much worse crime, yet to you it's nothing. No shred of humanity.
Then you tell us that you are against Israel's existence. This isn't about West bank, this isn't about a siege, it's about trying to destroy Israel. This is why Israel is right to defend itself.
to all you idiots who think we started the attack , ask yourselves these 2 questions
1. why in other ships no1 got hurt?
2. if israel wanted to kill those so called "peace activists ? why didnt we just start shooting as the first soldier got on board , or even better sink the ship ?
in case you didnt know the first wave of soldiers got into the boat with paint ball rifles , only after the "peace activists" kidnapped few soldiers and stabbed them , the other soldiers started to shoot
@zilki1986 Obviously Israel could have just sunk the ship. They could have just disappeared in the night and nobody would have known. Israel tried to do the right thing - warn them and tell them over and over again to STOP because of the blockade. The blockade is absolutely and completely legal. If these Hamas idiots would stop sending rockets into Israeli schools and neighborhoods, there would be no need for a blockade. WAKE UP.
@zilki1986 they are not activists, "agitators " is the word, they were trying to provoke the IDF, and they succeded, the agitators, like the terrorists in gaza are not worthy of any sympathy
@seheallesduauch Keinen interessiert Deine antisemitische Kriegshetze, Du bist laengst entlarvt. Mich greift keiner an weil ich nicht wie ein Seeraeuber mitten in der Nacht schwerbewaffnet ein Schiff in internationalen Gewaessern kapere. Ihre Blockade haette Israel auch unblutig durchsetzen koennen, dies war ein extrem dummer Schachzug. Israels Mordlust gibt allen Juden einen schlechten Namen und foerdert den Judenhass. Wenn Israel ein Gewissen haette muesste es sich in Grund un Boden schaemen!
@KnastPlanet, Israel does have a conscience - it was why she didn't just simply sink the boat as she was entitled to do. It's Israel's biggest flaw: she does not treat her enemies the way every other nation on earth is allowed to do.
@csdude35, they ALL have problems with Jews - it's just the clever, popular trick these days to say "Zionist". But some of them are either less clever, more honest, or both.
Its seems like the Turks have have learned a few tricks, it was an delivered in the most planned manner, well done Turks, they abviously got the reaction they wanted.
Oops did I ust insult someone's Turkishness?
Yurkey call wallow in its own crimes against humanity, 2.5M Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks exterminated by these self righteous assholes and to this day they deny the Genocide of the Ottoman Christians.
@Haytime4justice it was done by the activists on board? you are stupid, these died people had nothing to do with armenians, greeks, marsians and the 3 musketeeers
In the past 15 years, the Turkish government has ethnically cleansed large parts of Turkey’s Kurdish southeast, has invaded Iraq more than a few times, keeps occupying and colonizing the northern half of Cyprus, a sovereign country, member of the UN and the EU. Yet today, the Turkish government has somehow managed to proclaim itself the defender of international law and protector of the oppressed.
I am appalled at such hypocrisy, at the expense of the Palestinians
Oh no, the attacking pirates are being defended against... Those bad peace activists, how can they defend themselves with clubs and kitchenknives against heavily armed soldiers attacking them in the middle of the night. Those 19 dead Terrorists were obviously killed in self-defense.
Israel needs those humanitarian goods much more than the ocupational palestinian terror state. Good that the IDF filmed their humanitarian mission on those terror boats. LOL!
The world is nuts. Insane. This footage is a slam dunk for the defense of the actions of the Israelis, yet there's all this crazy outrage for the terrorists cleverly disguised as peace activists. To those who condemn Israel, why do you believe the propaganda over your own two eyes? Trick Photography? The Israelis used a camera with a number 38 lens in it and several strategically placed octaginal mirrors. Yeah, that's it. Now you can go on hating the Israelis and loving Hamas.
@Spaceisneat Is that supposed to mean something? Plenty of people hate good and love evil. You are far from alone. It changes nothing, and certainly doesn't change me.
@elpilotoazul it means a lot, unless you're too dense to realize. Do you really think you and your crazy zionist friends can triumph over such numerous enemies? You cannot. As long as Israel commits crimes...it will gain more enemies and her failure will be more likely. The United States will not always support Israel. What do you think will happen when Israel stops receiving weapons and funding? They will be a "sitting duck in water". Much like the Mavi Marmara but on a larger scale.
@Spaceisneat The denseness is in your skull. Crimes? Suicide bombers blowing up innocent civilians? Firing rockets at random into Israel? Electing Hamas, a terrorist organization, as your leadership? Celebrating 9/11 by dancing in the streets and passing out candy? I could go on and on but why bother? Space is neat is a good name for you. There's plenty of it between your ears. The Palestinians will see prosperity when they learn to love their children more than they hate the Israelis
@elpilotoazul They DO love their children, thats why they fight back! You did`nt mention the dancing ISRAELIS on 9-11 laughing and taking pictures of the smoking towers in the backround. OR the van packed with explosives on the Geo Washington bridge that was stopped, being driven by two ISRAELIS! OR the other two ISRAELIS that were arrested as they tried to run from ANOTHER van filled with explosives!!! Or how about Jonathan Pollard who is considered a hero by Israel for spying on US!!!
@elpilotoazul Hey Idiot, The Israeli commandoes illegaly ambushed these people in international waters with flash-bang grenades, then repeled down from a helicopter gun-ship. They fought back with what they had...sticks,pipes,etc. The Ass-raelies point blank EXECUTED NINE PEOPLE !!! If these people were truly coming to cause harm, don`t you think they would have had automatic weapons like the Israelis did. Israel only cares about Israel! They have been betraying the US since they stole Palastine
@JeffSal999 Theres always a hollowhead, like you, in every crowd. Why was there a blockade in the first place? Hamas was firing rockets into Israel. Israel wasn't stopping cargo from going to the Palestinians, they wanted to inspect it first. The Palestinians say no. They can't smuggle weapons that way. Say one more bad thing about the Israelis, or how saintly the Palestinians are, and I'll buy yet another (I have some now) Israel savings bond to show my support in honor of your stupidity
@armalite762 wow, some one who actually thought that mabye the media is baised and theres a true story behind what happened. I hope everyone will see after the investigation that the "activists" (the ones that attacked) on marmara were terrorists.
Israel needs to kill many more muslims if they hope to survive. Europe and the US must drive out the filthy disease of islam if we hope to survive too. The 9 “Peace Activists” is a good start anyway.
.NOTICE the Israelies were "armed" with PAINTBALL guns! Only after this attack by the "peaceful" activists was deadly force used. ...and 3 of the ships were resistered to HHC while the other three were financed by "Free Gaza". Both supporters of terrorist activities. Not to mention, Eqypt and Israel BOTH offered dock space for the inspection to take place. Where's the International uproar over North Korea ATTACKING and SINKING a vessel from another country!?!
British survivor tells of Israeli assault on Gaza aid ship
Sarah Colborne, the first British survivor of the Israeli assault on the Mavi Marmara aid ship to return to Britain, insists troops fired live ammunition at unarmed activists
@delyxstudios it is irrelevant that "Sarah" is British, she is a leading member of the Palestinian solidarity campaign (PSC) and a long time activist trying to impose sanctions and delegitimatize Israel. Her opinions should be taken with a MASSIVE pinch of salt as she has a vested interest (and history) of misrepresenting Israel's actions and intentions. Most people would find her reprehensible and certainly bias at best, outright deceitful and lying at worst. Either case certainly not truthful
@semsisaracoglu These hero's are recorded as wishing for martyrdom, not aid to Gaza. As wishing to throw Israeli troops in to the sea, not provide aid. This is what their speeches were saying. They knew they were going in order to try to fight and kill, not in order to deliver aid.
They are certainly not hero, their interest was media publicity, attacking Israel. This is shameful. Instead of Heroes they are simply zeros.
11. Israel had attempted to take control of the vessels participating in the flotilla by peaceful means and in an orderly fashion in order to enforce the blockade. Given the large number of vessels participating in the flotilla, an operational decision was made to undertake measures to enforce the blockade a certain distance from the area of the blockade.
10. Given the protesters explicit intention to violate the naval blockade, Israel exercised its right under international law to enforce the blockade. It should be noted that prior to undertaking enforcement measures, explicit warnings were relayed directly to the captains of the vessels, expressing Israel's intent to exercise its right to enforce the blockade.
9. Here we should note that the protesters indicated their clear intention to violate the blockade by means of written and oral statements. Moreover, the route of these vessels indicated their clear intention to violate the blockade in violation of international law.
8. A state may take action to enforce a blockade. Any vessel that violates or attempts to violate a maritime blockade may be captured or even attacked under international law. The US Commander's Handbook on the Law of Naval Operations sets forth that a vessel is considered to be in attempt to breach a blockade from the time the vessel leaves its port with the intention of evading the blockade.
6. Here, it should be noted that under customary law, knowledge of the blockade may be presumed once a blockade has been declared and appropriate notification has been granted, as above.
7. Under international maritime law, when a maritime blockade is in effect, no boats can enter the blockaded area. That includes both civilian and enemy vessels.
5. In this vein, it should be noted that Israel publicized the existence of the blockade and the precise coordinates of such by means of the accepted international professional maritime channels. Israel also provided appropriate notification to the affected governments and to the organizers of the Gaza protest flotilla. Moreover, in real time, the ships participating in the protest flotilla were warned repeatedly that a maritime blockade is in effect.
4. The naval manuals of several western countries, including the US and England recognize the maritime blockade as an effective naval measure and set forth the various criteria that make a blockade valid, including the requirement of give due notice of the existence of the blockade.
1. A maritime blockade is in effect off the coast of Gaza. Such blockade has been imposed, as Israel is currently in a state of armed conflict with the Hamas regime that controls Gaza, which has repeatedly bombed civilian targets in Israel with weapons that have been smuggled into Gaza via the sea.
whats so damn sad is that the 'peacful' activists all claim that there were no knifes, no stick and no attacks. how do they explain these videos proving otherwise
lol @ 0:39 - bath time!! I do like the end of this video hw they display the scary capsicum spray and knives. WAY more scary that having commandos fast rope onto your ship before dawn in international waters, carrying only TAR-21s, M-4s, IMI Negevs for self defense. Those Commandos with all that training were so defenseless and practically unarmed & naked!! They didn't stand a chance against those activists with makeshift weapons and no training!
To all those anti-activist blabbering, it is honestly retarded if you have some prejudged idea that activists=dummies who will just sit and watch people take over their ships illegally. Activists does not mean dumb you know.
@DaMainDuck The idea is that fighting for peace is an option only when the fight is peaceful, other than that you are just warrior masqueraded as peace maker, trying to enjoy an immediate natural protection that is given to peace makers.
Preparing for a fight, fighting it, even fiercely, can be, as honorable as making peace., as in the case of the Commandos who did not try to fool anybody with peace slogans, and white Humanitarian Doves. They came to take control of the ship and that's it.
@sigalgross1 It is hypocritical to assume that just because the commandos were involved in violence without claiming to be peaceful means that it was an honourable act. Moreover, since when did being a peace activism mean that in case of an attack (the commandos came with guns, entered forcefully) that you stop having basic human instinct to defend yourself? If the peace activists really intended to attack, why didn't they just bring in actual weapons if they planned to use them anyway?
Let's not go around, the scope of this mission was not humanitarian. All the aid on this ship was loaded on less than 10 trucks; much of the load was a huge pile of expired medicine.
Israel transport to Gaza 150 fully loaded trucks every day, so there is no Humanitarian logic behind this ship. The logic was to break the siege.
@sigalgross1 1. Where did you get this information that the aid was just expired medicines? Also, I think you're forgetting that international humanitarian organizations have reports on how Israel reduced the aid to 20% which was less than a quarter of what is needed. There is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza and the only one who doesn't agree with it is Israel. Should we just take Israel's word on that?
I also think that the list of banned materials should be revised.
I also think that in any case of a material that is banned in order to pressure Hammas rather than for security reasons, that material should be allowed in.
Personally being a parent of 5, 3 and 2 weeks old babies, and being the one on the target hit list of Hammas in the next confrontation, I urge my government to be as flexible as possible
@sigalgross1 While you speak as a parent and wish you government to be more flexible, I was expecting that rather you would want you government to be more considerate out of humanity. I assure you that living in Gaza is no where as it is living in Tel Aviv or Sderot. The type of weapons used, being forced out of your homes, not being able to help from your loved ones who are injured because there are no supplies and being imprisoned and isolated from the world. That's Gaza not Tel Aviv.
I also urge my government to be as flexible as possible, even though a mistake would be on my account as a civilian a parent of almost 3 of 3, 5 and -2 weeks years old babies.
It is clear to me that in the next conflict with Hammas, also Tel-Aviv will be in the range of its missiles. Have any idea what it feels like being under such a threat?
Unlike you, I can imagine what it feels like living in Gaza these days, I can almost feel their pain.
@sigalgross1 Israel's blockade is illegal in the first place. Sure you can quote about the international law permitting blockade but when it is causing the suffering of a million people it isn't the same thing. Moreover, it is utterly naive to believe that had the aid passed through Israel all would have been well. Israel had prevented clothes, books still prevents building materials besides other necessities to Gaza. Those things are needed even more after the last year's attack on Gaza.
As I said, legality can be discussed, but definitely not by IHH, an organisation with proven ties to Al-Qaeda, with past of arms trafficking and smuggling, who is under a close watch of all western security services including the Turkish one.
All materials on the boat were checked and uploaded on a few trucks to be passed to Gaza, through land checkpoint. Everything was documented and listed. I did not say that all was expired medicine not even most, but a big part of the load was.
@sigalgross1 Would you be kind enough to share this documented list because I've not seen in being mentioned. Alright, so IHH had ties in the past with Al-Qaeda so they can't discuss the legality. What about the UN or UK who have also questioned the blockade? What would it take for Israel to actually start accepting responsibility for the whole conflict? There have been reports after reports on Israel's violations but they have dismissed them. Can they not be held accountable for anything?
Yet, even with all that said, I can not take the blame for it all.
You must have 2 to tango. Peace will come to this region only if Palestinians take control of their fate. Peace will happen when their leaders will be more concerned by building their own rather than destroying ours. You can not elect a terror group that vows to destroy me and expect that somehow you will be saved.
@sigalgross1 Of course for peace to be reached it should be mutual. But you cannot also claim that the block to peace is Israeli actions, remember the Israeli denial to stop building more settlements just recently? If you consider Hamas as a terror group you should be willing to accept the Israeli government of being the same. Just look at how many innocent people have been persecuted or killed by Israel and compare it to how many are by Hamas.
@sigalgross1 It is not surprising that the Israeli court once again dismissed any charges against the IDF and provided excuses for their actions. The easiest thing for Israel to do now (something they are doing in the US as well) is to make Hamas the scapegoat in all this. I'd isn't a good image, but how would you feel if your loved ones died trying to aid an oppressed nation and those who killed got away... again? There were no weapons or arms on board remember, so that's no excuse either.
No, they were not smuggling arms, not this time at least.
Still the ones that died, and most if not all injured by firearms, were no peace activists. All were were trained mercenary terrorists, who were not only armed, but also declared that they came to be martyrs, they came to fight, and each had the round sum of 10K $ in his pocket.
@sigalgross1 I still await for some proof about the aid they brought, you mentioned some list. "All were trained mercenary terrorists" is also not supported by any evidence. If they were then why not arrest them and not deport them? I don't know why just because they had knives and metal rods you would assume they were considered "armed". No one else seems to suggest they came as martyrs either nor was any mention of the money. So please share some source to prove all of these things.
At least 3 of the Turks, declared it to their family and relatives. Saw it on normal channel 2 Israeli TV, I do not understand Turkish so unless it was a conspiracy I have to take the word of the translator on this.
It will surly be mentioned by the investigative commission the UN will appoint, though they will do their best to underestimate the importance of the money found on all the dead people - all happened the bouncer type guys, big, tall, and unfortunately also stupid.
Sorry, but it is not possible to put the blame on Israel for all troubles Gazans have.
You have to remember that Palestinian authority came to Gaza after Oslo according to agreements between the 2 sides signed by the US and the international community as well. Under this agreement Gaza rule should act in line of the agreements, guess where does that put Hammas?
Hammas power, since declaring its refusal to accept the accords with Israel, is Illegal.
@sigalgross1 So what you're saying is that Israel can continue to do whatever they like under the pretext that it is because of Hamas? I think you're forgetting that Hamas was elected by the people of Gaza democratically, something the US and Israel were in favour of. The fact that Hamas openly states their views against Israelis while Israel doesn't against the Palestinians does not change facts or statistics which prove who is the oppressor and who is the oppressed.
@sigalgross1 Hamas would be just as illegal as would Israel be if Israel did not accept or wasn't acting in violation of many UN and international laws. A good example is last year's war where Israel should have displayed some form of justice by at least trying the war criminals in neutral courts. Did that happen? No. Is Israel oppressing a million people by preventing them proper healthcare and basic necessities because they do not like their government? Yes. How is that justifiable?
@sigalgross1 Israel's disproportionate response in Gaza last year was a clear sign of aggression against an unarmed population. Did anyone accept the blame? Did anyone stand in trail? Did anyone even apologize to the people of Gaza for killing so many innocent people? No. What was done instead was excuses for everything, that "we tried very hard to avoid that" or "it was Hamas's fault". I mean really? No one at all come forward to admit something!
War crimes? Just as Brits in Afghanistan, Iraq & Serbia are criminals.
Proportionate?
How do you measure it? If they killed 25 people, killing 30 is proportionate? How many dead soldiers count for 1 dead child?
If they shell us for 8 years with 10,000 rockets, for how many years after should we bomb them, or maybe since we have an organized army we can do it in one Blitz like last year? Do you keep all the proportions accounting in spreadsheets? Should we use excel?
@sigalgross1 Let's get something straight shall we. Yes, those too were war crimes and not just by the British but the US mainly. So what you're saying is that since we don't know exactly what "proportionate" is we get the green light to just kill as many as we like? Last time I checked Israel killed 10 times more people in less than a month that those "10,000" actually 7,000 rockets killed in 8 years! Are Israelis just bad at math or shall we consider this as justice?
Proportionate… I like the word, put the war in a whole new different office like perspective, just as wars in 21st century should be…1984 Orwell type of war.
@sigalgross1 Btw, please avoid the condescending tone when it comes to such things. Using an excel sheet to keep an account on the murders is a tasteless statement. I wouldn't like harm to you or your family but imagine for a second that your children were among those killed. You find it funny now thinking about them in some excel sheet as accounted killed? I hope not.
Condescending just as you and your blaming arguments, after reading some books about the Mideast conflict.
Condescending ? Proportionate is condescending.
& BTW we didn't get it straight; I do not think that neither Brits nor Americans in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Serbia are war criminals. I once had a friend who preached about "turning of the other chick", I once saw him argue, I wouldn't want to be on the other side, many people who preach to such high morals are scums in private
@sigalgross1 I'm guessing you meant "the other cheek". Proportionate is condescending? That doesn't even make any sense! For your information, I do not make my arguments reading books on the Middle East Conflict, although it seems you are quite a selective viewer. It has recently come as a surprise how brainwashed the Israelis living in Israel have been due to their media.
@sigalgross1 Oh btw, you think you can almost feel how they do in Gaza? Read this report by Oxfam from last year and compare it to how you live now and think again if you really do live in similar conditions:
As I said proportionate is not in my dictionary for war and suffering.
So I do not wish think or aspire to be living in the same conditions as the people in Gaza, however, leaving in Israel for the last decade, I know what it means to be shelled and bombed, and yet again maybe they should try to get some peace, to stop all that pain, they have the money, don't they? they can prosper, all they need it to try and get to peace with Israel, In my idea, it is not that difficult
@sigalgross1 You know what is interesting. I think I've spoken to you somewhere else before because you've started repeating the same lines now. Aren't you on deviantart too?
@DaMainDuck sorry what is deviantart/ isn't it some art community?
No I was not.
You might have heard it before, it will soon be common knowledge, providing that networks would like to make it public, since it is not that good with the peace activists image they initially portrayed
@sigalgross1 Yes, it is an art community but the interesting thing was that person was also an Israeli mother with a name almost like yours. Anyway, the question about mercenaries onboard is only Israel's claim, and most of the photos of the weapons seem to be fake. None of the major news sites mention anything about the 3 Turks btw. I still don't see how post-incident knowledge (mostly inaccurate) seems relevant to why Israel had the licence to kill those people.
@sigalgross1 Since you've left I don't intend to leave many replies. But where did you assume that "they have the money"? Where would such money come from? And you spoke of them prospering, well look again, Israel will allow the aid WITHOUT the cement and building material. I wanna see how easy it would've been for Israel to prosper without building anything have having many of what they have built destroyed.
In addition to be illegal in the eyes of past agreements, it is also a denounced terror organization. During the last 3 years Hammas executed 600 Palestinians, and shot the knee cap of more than 2000 Fatah activists, crippling them for life. Hammas rules Gaza with terror, just as one might expect from a terror organization.
@sigalgross1 I would not say that Hamas is an angel and they have not done wrong in the past. Something Arabs even accept that there have been mistakes made and internal conflicts have been destructive to the common Palestinian. However, shouldn't the other side too admit to some of their faults as well? Cuz, everytime I just see more propaganda to make it always look like it was the Palestinian's fault. Taking responsibility and punishing our own people who make mistakes would've helped.
Unlike you I am not trying to play some blame game, of the "they started first" kind.
Left wing western people treat this conflict is rather patronizing: " you natives we know what's good for you". Well I can assure you that their are enough responsible adults in Israel, we are a rather advanced western country, we have moral standards and views just like you and your friends have, we have an advanced Judiciary system, we are not perfect but we have a functioning democracy.
As such we also have some good brains around, actually some of the best, I can assure you that some of them sit day and night looking for solutions.
The conflict is not about race, it has nothing to do with ethics or morality, it is merely 2 peoples fighting over the same rather small piece of land.
I do not see how can you, or for that matter any foreign power, help in the process of peace and reconciliation. think of it as kids, 2 brothers that argue and fight over a toy.
Any modern child psychologist will tell you, as a parent, stay out of the argument and never take a side. In any case you do not obey this rule, you lose, a triple loss – cause no matter how you intervene, 1 will be angry and most of the times both will.
And what is more important, you ruin the chances for them to actually learn how to solve their problems and live together.
It is also clear that you do think that you have a place in the solution, well sorry to disappoint you, you do not. We have to find a way on our own, tell you even more, we would have had peace at least since 1968, if it wasn't for foreign powers and foreign interests, intervening taking sides and preventing us, the locals who really have to live with one another, to actually do it.
Ever thought about it? You, yes you, as an obstacle for peace in the Mideast?
Shocking? You came from such good universities, Oxford, Berkley, UCLA, Cambridge and Harvard, you are so educated, well mannered, "open" to hear other views, left wing, who peace activist, how could you be the cause of all that Mideast chaos, it can not be true, it must be the natives, probably the Zionists.
Islam is the new cancer, it invades everywhere and reproduced like bacteria. Any place where he found it destroys and kills everyone there before. World Watch up destroy the cancer now
ISREAL PROTECTOR OF THE WESTER WORLD the arabs cant take it after they LOST ALL WARS they using now propaganda against isreal and going to tham very well i must admit BUT ARABS CANT TELL OR HEAR THE true they ARE ALL FUCKING LIER WITH CRAZY ReLIGION THAT JIHAD BRING THAM &@ GIRLS NEXT WORLD
I agree rullar, i'm a uk citizen and it sickens me to see so many of my fellow brits violently against your country. I apologise on behalf of those brits aboard the ship, they make me sick. god bless israel...to all the lefty brits, here's one brit who stands 100% behind israel.
Yes they threw stones and they hit some solders so what, they were in the international water not in Israel side, they were protection them self’s, like you are pretending, the only deference is that y
this video is not all: the "Peace activists" also, while the soldiers threatened them with paint-ball guns (not even rubber!) threw a mini-granade, stole their real guns and started fire (note another video shows that. you can hear it on the IDF contact-machine that was recorded)
while the soldiers were shot at - they shot back.
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zobielamouche1 1 month ago
Israel is the evil client state, an outpost for the US war machine. Time to cut them off.
harkyo 2 months ago
Bullshit. It was a vessel filled with people protecting themse
harkyo 2 months ago
just hope the cunts doing the hitting with the rods got killed.
jujitsuman68 4 months ago
peace activists to me looks more like turkish soccer hooligans moving to Gaza via ship. They get what they deserved. Too bad some of them escaped alive
ionutzstoica 5 months ago
It makes sence that the activists do this.
We don't take it no longer!
RoadToJennah 5 months ago
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JIMY45GR 5 months ago
News media always leavs out the other boats travelling with the flotilla which did not get 1 person injured. Why? Becuse no one on the boat threw knives and poles at IDF soldiers.
israelawareness1 6 months ago
Pig muslims.
stinsens 10 months ago
@stinsens fuck you!!!
the shitty israël does'nt exist you fag!!!!
SamerIRAQ 5 months ago
@SamerIRAQ
By the looks Samer, YOU are the fag here..
stinsens 5 months ago
If my requests are heeded, Russia will be converted, and there will be peace; if not, she will spread her errors throughout the world, causing wars and persecutions of the Church. The good will be martyred; the Holy Father will have much to suffer; various nations will be annihilated. In the end, my Immaculate Heart will triumph. The Holy Father will consecrate Russia to me, and she shall be converted, and a period of peace will be granted to the world." message of Lady mary in 1917,Portugal
THOMAZ1DNA 1 year ago
Leftist Media will always depict Israel as evil and Hamas as the good ones! in fact communists terrorists and radical muslims are working together for the end of America and the implantation of the new world order ,a communist one-world government!
THOMAZ1DNA 1 year ago
I really blame Bibi for letting these terrorists go and simply free them after arresting them only because of the international pressure... It was a MISTAKE.
Every normal country would arrest these people for many years, especially those who were involve with the violence... it's disgrace.
ofri75 1 year ago
If that ship was full of Hamas Soldiers the Israeli soldiers would have been killed before ever getting on the ship, By Rockets, RPG's & AK-47's, Any person on a ship that had to face what they faced would have done the same thing, You have a baseball bat, They have guns, & they are on your ship to kill you, But have to make it look good for CNN.
TheHoustonMuslim 1 year ago
@TheHoustonMuslim If Israel's mission was to kill the people on these boats (Hamas ultimate dream), don't you think they would've 'attacked' all six of them? Why were five boats peacefully retained? What was so special about this particular boat? Hmm... MIGHT BE THE PEOPLE IN IT.
cpeigney94 1 year ago
israel all have false facts about what really happend. there version is kinda like an oxymoron or just doesent make any sense i mean cmon look at the title "PEACE Activist lynch israeli SOLDIERS" are you serious you got to be kidding me tryna to manipulate people by giving false information is not the jewsh way...
onlylettersinname 1 year ago
@onlylettersinname No, its """""Peace Activist"""" lynch Israeli soldiers. What makes you think its not true? Cause for me it makes perfect sense """""Peace Activist"""""" are not real Peace Activists.
cpeigney94 1 year ago
@cpeigney94 because of the actual FACTS!!! about those people on board the ship and there interviews with journalist from many different news stations call them peace activist, only a very small minorty of people actually agree with ur side of the story.... just so you know
onlylettersinname 1 year ago
@onlylettersinname
weeklystandard. com/blogs/terror-finance-flotilla
jta. org/news/article/2010/06/07/2739474/israel-known-terrorists-on-flotilla
What do you call actual FACTS?
There were six boats, five of them where stopped peacefully. So who is responsible? The IDF or the people in this particular boat. Are we watching the same video?
cpeigney94 1 year ago
@cpeigney94 u do know that the idf did kill 10 people on board the ship one of them being an american, so ur calling an american a terrorist because he was on board the ship. but if u have your facts do they tell you about that the idf fired guns at the activist first before boarding and that they decided to forcefully stop the boat and board it. even though the boat just happen to be in international waters, u forget that israel has to be held accountable for the crimes they commit also.
onlylettersinname 1 year ago
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@onlylettersinname they were killed because they wanted to be,and they attacked the israelis to ensure that they got their wish. to the american and maybe 2 o 3 innocent others were in the wrrrrooong both with the wrrroong people, bad luck. Remember, only 1 of 6 boats had issues.
EXAMPLE OF A REGULAR IDF BOARDING
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THE 'ATTACK'
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REALITY
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cpeigney94 1 year ago
When are we going to inspect Israel's nuclear arsenal?
MendingMedia 1 year ago
@MendingMedia Israel has nuclear weapons, its not a secret.
cpeigney94 1 year ago
Jewish pirates. Its that simple. "International water". Israel is like a kid talking smack with his big brother backing him up. Israel only has power as long as the US gives it to them, Israel would fall in a day without the US holding it up. We (US) need to pull all aid, training, weapons, etc. etc. the list goes on. from Israel. Let it stand or fall. We all know the Answer. Islam is growing in the US. It is a matter of time tell Israel will be very much alone.
TheHoustonMuslim 1 year ago
@TheHoustonMuslim You're a fool. It is not a war between Islam and Judaism. Is a war between Israel and Hamas.
cpeigney94 1 year ago
viva palestina!
Spaceisneat 1 year ago
This happened on international water, in other words this is piracy. If a burglar or a thief comes into my house i would defend myself. Very simple.
TinyArts 1 year ago
I feel very sorry for your people. I see the future and it is very bleak.
skhan66 1 year ago
Your people are responsible for killing Jesus. The same mentality exist today with these extremist Khazar Zionist as was in the times of Jesus. You haven't changed. Remember God is not and will not look favorable on your people. You are doomed in Gods Sight. So change your ways and repent like you never did before, you may then have a chance to escape God's anger. But guess what if you never took lesson from Jesus, you will not take lesson now. I feel really sorry for you and your people.
skhan66 1 year ago
Laughable. Next time don't board a ship in International waters, breaking International Laws.
SModikoane 1 year ago
Filthy jewish pirates !!.
Pirates of the Mediterranean !!.
tedhisci 1 year ago
Darum tragen ja auch Polizisten Waffen, weil sie Doubjas geistige Bryder sind, nichtwahr?!? Darum waren ja auch die friedensstiftenden IDF-Piraten unbewaffnet, oder?!? Misst Du da vll. auch mit zweierlei Mass, sehealles? Oder ist das schon Heuchelei?!?
KnastPlanet 1 year ago
@Blindfisch Versteh bitte dass ich auf Kommentare die ausser Beleidigungen keinerlei Argumente enthalten nicht antworten kann. Ich brauche auch keine Waffen, aber fyr den Fall dass sich das unerwartet aendert bieten mir Waffen Optionen, die ich ohne sie nicht haette. Beispiel: Nothilfe leisten.
KnastPlanet 1 year ago
@seheallesduauch Aehm ich glaube nicht dass eine Hetzer wie Du im Namen der 'Friedensbewegung' sprechen kann. So lange es ungebildete fanatische Verrueckte (wie Dich) gibt, ziehe ich es vor meinen Frieden mit Waffen zu sichern.
Jene, die ihre Schwerter zu Pflugscharen gemacht haben, werden fyr die Pflygen myssen, die es nicht getan haben.
Du sagst also dass die Friedensaktivisten nur von wenigen Gewalttätern unterwandert wurden und der Rest sich gewaltfrei der Uebermacht der IDF gebeugt hat?
KnastPlanet 1 year ago
@seheallesduauch Wieso Heuchelei? Natyrlich bin ich auch ein bewaffneter Pazifist. Alles andere waere Perlen vor die Saeue.
Die ganze Welt wusste dass die Friedensflotte ein Mediencoup werden sollte. Dass die IDF nicht schlauer und unblutiger gehandelt haben werfe ich ihnen vor.
Viktor Ostrovsky ist der Meinung dass natyrlich Mossad Agenten an Bord waren, und das Militaer den Hilfstransport auch unblutig haette kanalisieren koennen.
KnastPlanet 1 year ago
If you look closely to the soldier who's coming down first. Then you will see that he's kicking a passenger hard in the face with his foot, directly after that action the passengers are handling in an accepted and allowed manner to defend them self against the soldiers. The soldiers didn't come to control, it seems they were there to kill.
atillakutlu86 1 year ago
we are not the yesterday's chıld on these lands like israel...We have faced all world since we establish our country(new zeland-ındıa-england-greeks-austrians-spanish and also arabs..ie)..we know the smell of our soil and the pain better than these israelis..you can see our souls in any single part of europe africa and asia..jews are not enemy of turks..ıf it was we couldnt save them from Inquisition of spain 300 years ago..anyone can search who saved jews in europe..the enemy is israeli govrnt
qwerty1912 1 year ago
omg, they use knifes agains uzi... how cruel terrorists!
undeterminederror 1 year ago
HOW CAN U MAKE OUT that Israel is the victim in all of this - they are the true zionist nazi racist, apartheid creating - stormtroopers, who will definently taste death soon enough.
Mctripidon1990 1 year ago
beat the wicked pigs - cowardly zionist fascist cunts
Mctripidon1990 1 year ago
@Mctripidon1990 since we see on your page that you are a muslim, and you chose to use the word pigs (from "pigs and apes" perhaps?) relating to the IDF soldiers, we can see that you are in fact a racist.
This is what Israel has to put up with. No intelligence, no facts, just racism. Pathetic, petty, small minded low brow racism.
You are a petty little racist. You will never be intelligent enough to understand what is happening, only racist enough to attack others.
rulllar 1 year ago
@Mctripidon1990 and we FURTHER know this is true (that you are nothing but a sick twisted racist) because you wrote, on another video, the comment "Hamas would kick your old shylock asses" (on a vid called Mahal , Overseas Volunteers In Israel's Fighting Force - Isr)
You are nothing but a sick, inhumane, twisted racist. Scum of the earth.
Stay out of adult debates about serious issues.
rulllar 1 year ago
If I was in the Israeli Commandos these Clowns would have had nothing to laugh.
Peace activism my ass, the only reason people are against israel is because they are at war with themselves, are not grown up and attack the things that must take place. they cant take their failure like a man but constantly invent new slogans and streams of thought to circumnavigate what has been written down long ago.
markuslebt 1 year ago
Israel offered the Palestinians to withdraw from 92-96 % of the territories. It done so in three different occasions, witnessed by 2 different American presidents.
This Israeli offer was never answered, not "yes we agree" nor "no we do not agree" and not even "we agree to some points, lets continue the discussion on the following".
Nothing, Israel received no answer at all, to its offers.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
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sigalgross1 1 year ago
Since January 2009 ISRAEL killed 300 palestinian children !!!!!
Since 2000 ISRAEL killed 1500 children killed !!!!
People of the World, please, stop this henocide in the name of humanity, no matter what your religion or nationality is.
roustem1 1 year ago
@roustem1 = How many children have the Hamas killed by lobbing rockets into schools in Sderot? Why must you continue the violence against Israel? It is so foolish to risk retaliation and what else can Israel do? Our nation (USA) would NEVER allow this to happen to our citizens! NEVER! Anyone who shoots rockets over a border at our children would be DEAD the next day! Why don't these people get this? STOP bombing Israel and you can live in peace!
voipartyrocks 1 year ago
@voipartyrocks If our country had another race of people "CAGED IN" behind a wall, and stole their land, bulldozed their homes and orchards, cut their water and electricity, our people would revolt and stop it ! They "LOB" rockets because they don't have helicopter gun-ships that take out WHOLE apartment buildings full of innocent men,women, and, CHILDREN ! THINK ! This started 62 years ago when ZIONISTS INVADED! If someone tryed that in the US, YOU KNOW WHAT WOULD HAPPEN !!!
JeffSal999 1 year ago
@roustem1 The majority of deaths are the result of Hamas' inhumane, horrible acts. Hiding behind children, using them as shields (sometimes their own children), hiding weapons in schools. Truly this group, as well as other groups like Islamic Jihad are the worst humanity can produce.
Had they had stronger weapons the number of dead Israelis would be an impossible amount higher, so high we cannot even imagine.
We all hope for the end of Hamas-like groups thus the end of dying on either side.
rulllar 1 year ago
@rulllar fuckin lying zionist propaganda - u used white phrospherus on a civilian population - hamas can't get their hands on that - stop comparing a few homemade fireworks to a genocide that happened 60 years ago - u have become the knew stormtroopers - the new nazis look at you fuck sake man.
Mctripidon1990 1 year ago
@Mctripidon1990 here we go. First I'm "zionist propaganda" then I (not an army) used phosphorous on people.
Hamas' 10,000 rockets ONLY ON CIVILIANS (NO military intent at all), whose intent isn't only to kill but to ethnically cleanse, a much worse crime, yet to you it's nothing. No shred of humanity.
Then you tell us that you are against Israel's existence. This isn't about West bank, this isn't about a siege, it's about trying to destroy Israel. This is why Israel is right to defend itself.
rulllar 1 year ago
liers
daielamar2010 1 year ago
@daielamar2010 You mean, your eyes lie to you?
BubbleShrinkWrap 1 year ago
Israeli Mom Killer. Israeli child killer. Israel infanticide. Israel is killing everyone iSRAEL BOYCOT
SevmiyenTikky 1 year ago
hahaha a7san
hope all of them get an ass wippin like that every day
bam bam bam your a fruit salad solder now LOOOOOL
TNT999 1 year ago
looks like jews learned some moves from their old german friends...:)
gabichiupu 1 year ago
to all you idiots who think we started the attack , ask yourselves these 2 questions
1. why in other ships no1 got hurt?
2. if israel wanted to kill those so called "peace activists ? why didnt we just start shooting as the first soldier got on board , or even better sink the ship ?
in case you didnt know the first wave of soldiers got into the boat with paint ball rifles , only after the "peace activists" kidnapped few soldiers and stabbed them , the other soldiers started to shoot
zilki1986 1 year ago 3
@zilki1986 Obviously Israel could have just sunk the ship. They could have just disappeared in the night and nobody would have known. Israel tried to do the right thing - warn them and tell them over and over again to STOP because of the blockade. The blockade is absolutely and completely legal. If these Hamas idiots would stop sending rockets into Israeli schools and neighborhoods, there would be no need for a blockade. WAKE UP.
voipartyrocks 1 year ago
@zilki1986 they are not activists, "agitators " is the word, they were trying to provoke the IDF, and they succeded, the agitators, like the terrorists in gaza are not worthy of any sympathy
666plb 3 months ago
@zilki1986
You invaded the ship in international waters. It was therefore an act of war. End of story.
KombiPode 3 months ago
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tmpq1lzy 1 month ago
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@KombiPode
and bringing tons of weapons to terrorists is not an act of war??
tmpq1lzy 1 month ago
@seheallesduauch Keinen interessiert Deine antisemitische Kriegshetze, Du bist laengst entlarvt. Mich greift keiner an weil ich nicht wie ein Seeraeuber mitten in der Nacht schwerbewaffnet ein Schiff in internationalen Gewaessern kapere. Ihre Blockade haette Israel auch unblutig durchsetzen koennen, dies war ein extrem dummer Schachzug. Israels Mordlust gibt allen Juden einen schlechten Namen und foerdert den Judenhass. Wenn Israel ein Gewissen haette muesste es sich in Grund un Boden schaemen!
KnastPlanet 1 year ago 11
@KnastPlanet, Israel does have a conscience - it was why she didn't just simply sink the boat as she was entitled to do. It's Israel's biggest flaw: she does not treat her enemies the way every other nation on earth is allowed to do.
FlaviaR 1 year ago
Fake Jewish propaganda. This video was debunked already.
LiberalDemocrat83 1 year ago
@LiberalDemocrat83 debunked by who? and why is this jewish propaganda and not israeli propaganda? have a problem with jews much?
csdude35 1 year ago
@csdude35, they ALL have problems with Jews - it's just the clever, popular trick these days to say "Zionist". But some of them are either less clever, more honest, or both.
FlaviaR 1 year ago
Its seems like the Turks have have learned a few tricks, it was an delivered in the most planned manner, well done Turks, they abviously got the reaction they wanted.
Oops did I ust insult someone's Turkishness?
Yurkey call wallow in its own crimes against humanity, 2.5M Armenians, Assyrians, Greeks exterminated by these self righteous assholes and to this day they deny the Genocide of the Ottoman Christians.
Haytime4justice 1 year ago 2
@Haytime4justice it was done by the activists on board? you are stupid, these died people had nothing to do with armenians, greeks, marsians and the 3 musketeeers
argonium79 1 year ago
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In the past 15 years, the Turkish government has ethnically cleansed large parts of Turkey’s Kurdish southeast, has invaded Iraq more than a few times, keeps occupying and colonizing the northern half of Cyprus, a sovereign country, member of the UN and the EU. Yet today, the Turkish government has somehow managed to proclaim itself the defender of international law and protector of the oppressed.
I am appalled at such hypocrisy, at the expense of the Palestinians
Haytime4justice 1 year ago 5
yitbach el arab. bless israel. fuck all arabs ur end is near.
KUNILEMECH 1 year ago
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Oh no, the attacking pirates are being defended against... Those bad peace activists, how can they defend themselves with clubs and kitchenknives against heavily armed soldiers attacking them in the middle of the night. Those 19 dead Terrorists were obviously killed in self-defense.
Israel needs those humanitarian goods much more than the ocupational palestinian terror state. Good that the IDF filmed their humanitarian mission on those terror boats. LOL!
IDF = Pirates and murderers!
KnastPlanet 1 year ago 11
The world is nuts. Insane. This footage is a slam dunk for the defense of the actions of the Israelis, yet there's all this crazy outrage for the terrorists cleverly disguised as peace activists. To those who condemn Israel, why do you believe the propaganda over your own two eyes? Trick Photography? The Israelis used a camera with a number 38 lens in it and several strategically placed octaginal mirrors. Yeah, that's it. Now you can go on hating the Israelis and loving Hamas.
elpilotoazul 1 year ago 16
@elpilotoazul if that's my only choice...I love Hamas and hate Zionists like you. Viva Palestina.
Spaceisneat 1 year ago
@Spaceisneat Is that supposed to mean something? Plenty of people hate good and love evil. You are far from alone. It changes nothing, and certainly doesn't change me.
elpilotoazul 1 year ago
@elpilotoazul it means a lot, unless you're too dense to realize. Do you really think you and your crazy zionist friends can triumph over such numerous enemies? You cannot. As long as Israel commits crimes...it will gain more enemies and her failure will be more likely. The United States will not always support Israel. What do you think will happen when Israel stops receiving weapons and funding? They will be a "sitting duck in water". Much like the Mavi Marmara but on a larger scale.
Spaceisneat 1 year ago
@Spaceisneat The denseness is in your skull. Crimes? Suicide bombers blowing up innocent civilians? Firing rockets at random into Israel? Electing Hamas, a terrorist organization, as your leadership? Celebrating 9/11 by dancing in the streets and passing out candy? I could go on and on but why bother? Space is neat is a good name for you. There's plenty of it between your ears. The Palestinians will see prosperity when they learn to love their children more than they hate the Israelis
elpilotoazul 1 year ago
@elpilotoazul They DO love their children, thats why they fight back! You did`nt mention the dancing ISRAELIS on 9-11 laughing and taking pictures of the smoking towers in the backround. OR the van packed with explosives on the Geo Washington bridge that was stopped, being driven by two ISRAELIS! OR the other two ISRAELIS that were arrested as they tried to run from ANOTHER van filled with explosives!!! Or how about Jonathan Pollard who is considered a hero by Israel for spying on US!!!
JeffSal999 1 year ago
@elpilotoazul Hey Idiot, The Israeli commandoes illegaly ambushed these people in international waters with flash-bang grenades, then repeled down from a helicopter gun-ship. They fought back with what they had...sticks,pipes,etc. The Ass-raelies point blank EXECUTED NINE PEOPLE !!! If these people were truly coming to cause harm, don`t you think they would have had automatic weapons like the Israelis did. Israel only cares about Israel! They have been betraying the US since they stole Palastine
JeffSal999 1 year ago
@JeffSal999 Theres always a hollowhead, like you, in every crowd. Why was there a blockade in the first place? Hamas was firing rockets into Israel. Israel wasn't stopping cargo from going to the Palestinians, they wanted to inspect it first. The Palestinians say no. They can't smuggle weapons that way. Say one more bad thing about the Israelis, or how saintly the Palestinians are, and I'll buy yet another (I have some now) Israel savings bond to show my support in honor of your stupidity
elpilotoazul 1 year ago
wait israel TURK Will come againn...
xraeran 1 year ago
People would be angry at the jews if they were fighting anyone else but muslims. No one likes muslims for good reason.
OmnipotentLobster 1 year ago
@armalite762 wow, some one who actually thought that mabye the media is baised and theres a true story behind what happened. I hope everyone will see after the investigation that the "activists" (the ones that attacked) on marmara were terrorists.
AirZone19 1 year ago
Israel needs to kill many more muslims if they hope to survive. Europe and the US must drive out the filthy disease of islam if we hope to survive too. The 9 “Peace Activists” is a good start anyway.
Zardoz215 1 year ago
.NOTICE the Israelies were "armed" with PAINTBALL guns! Only after this attack by the "peaceful" activists was deadly force used. ...and 3 of the ships were resistered to HHC while the other three were financed by "Free Gaza". Both supporters of terrorist activities. Not to mention, Eqypt and Israel BOTH offered dock space for the inspection to take place. Where's the International uproar over North Korea ATTACKING and SINKING a vessel from another country!?!
bob5944 1 year ago
British survivor tells of Israeli assault on Gaza aid ship
Sarah Colborne, the first British survivor of the Israeli assault on the Mavi Marmara aid ship to return to Britain, insists troops fired live ammunition at unarmed activists
htt p://w ww.guardian.co .uk/world/video/2010/jun/03/british-survivor-gaza-aid-floatilla
delyxstudios 1 year ago
@delyxstudios it is irrelevant that "Sarah" is British, she is a leading member of the Palestinian solidarity campaign (PSC) and a long time activist trying to impose sanctions and delegitimatize Israel. Her opinions should be taken with a MASSIVE pinch of salt as she has a vested interest (and history) of misrepresenting Israel's actions and intentions. Most people would find her reprehensible and certainly bias at best, outright deceitful and lying at worst. Either case certainly not truthful
rulllar 1 year ago
hero turks viva
semsisaracoglu 1 year ago
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sigalgross1 1 year ago
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sigalgross1 1 year ago
@semsisaracoglu
These Hooligans are your heros?
You definitely deserves Erdogan, and its Islamic revolution
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@semsisaracoglu These hero's are recorded as wishing for martyrdom, not aid to Gaza. As wishing to throw Israeli troops in to the sea, not provide aid. This is what their speeches were saying. They knew they were going in order to try to fight and kill, not in order to deliver aid.
They are certainly not hero, their interest was media publicity, attacking Israel. This is shameful. Instead of Heroes they are simply zeros.
rulllar 1 year ago
@armalite762
12. Israeli personnel attempting to enforce the blockade were met with violence by the protesters and acted in self defense to fend off such attacks.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@armalite762
11. Israel had attempted to take control of the vessels participating in the flotilla by peaceful means and in an orderly fashion in order to enforce the blockade. Given the large number of vessels participating in the flotilla, an operational decision was made to undertake measures to enforce the blockade a certain distance from the area of the blockade.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@armalite762
10. Given the protesters explicit intention to violate the naval blockade, Israel exercised its right under international law to enforce the blockade. It should be noted that prior to undertaking enforcement measures, explicit warnings were relayed directly to the captains of the vessels, expressing Israel's intent to exercise its right to enforce the blockade.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@armalite762
9. Here we should note that the protesters indicated their clear intention to violate the blockade by means of written and oral statements. Moreover, the route of these vessels indicated their clear intention to violate the blockade in violation of international law.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@armalite762
8. A state may take action to enforce a blockade. Any vessel that violates or attempts to violate a maritime blockade may be captured or even attacked under international law. The US Commander's Handbook on the Law of Naval Operations sets forth that a vessel is considered to be in attempt to breach a blockade from the time the vessel leaves its port with the intention of evading the blockade.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@armalite762
6. Here, it should be noted that under customary law, knowledge of the blockade may be presumed once a blockade has been declared and appropriate notification has been granted, as above.
7. Under international maritime law, when a maritime blockade is in effect, no boats can enter the blockaded area. That includes both civilian and enemy vessels.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@armalite762
5. In this vein, it should be noted that Israel publicized the existence of the blockade and the precise coordinates of such by means of the accepted international professional maritime channels. Israel also provided appropriate notification to the affected governments and to the organizers of the Gaza protest flotilla. Moreover, in real time, the ships participating in the protest flotilla were warned repeatedly that a maritime blockade is in effect.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@armalite762
4. The naval manuals of several western countries, including the US and England recognize the maritime blockade as an effective naval measure and set forth the various criteria that make a blockade valid, including the requirement of give due notice of the existence of the blockade.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@armalite762
2. Maritime blockades are a legitimate and recognized measure under international law that may be implemented as part of an armed conflict at sea.
3. A blockade may be imposed at sea, including in international waters, so long as it does not bar access to the ports and coasts of neutral states.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@armalite762
1. A maritime blockade is in effect off the coast of Gaza. Such blockade has been imposed, as Israel is currently in a state of armed conflict with the Hamas regime that controls Gaza, which has repeatedly bombed civilian targets in Israel with weapons that have been smuggled into Gaza via the sea.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
Bravo fucked israelischen Soldaten. Krieg ist nicht mit Ihnen, zur Toilette gehen muhahahaha
cessur34 1 year ago
whats so damn sad is that the 'peacful' activists all claim that there were no knifes, no stick and no attacks. how do they explain these videos proving otherwise
forzaitalia2 1 year ago
lol @ 0:39 - bath time!! I do like the end of this video hw they display the scary capsicum spray and knives. WAY more scary that having commandos fast rope onto your ship before dawn in international waters, carrying only TAR-21s, M-4s, IMI Negevs for self defense. Those Commandos with all that training were so defenseless and practically unarmed & naked!! They didn't stand a chance against those activists with makeshift weapons and no training!
Booyaka9000 1 year ago
fuck moslems.
ShapurKing 1 year ago
To all those anti-activist blabbering, it is honestly retarded if you have some prejudged idea that activists=dummies who will just sit and watch people take over their ships illegally. Activists does not mean dumb you know.
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck The idea is that fighting for peace is an option only when the fight is peaceful, other than that you are just warrior masqueraded as peace maker, trying to enjoy an immediate natural protection that is given to peace makers.
Preparing for a fight, fighting it, even fiercely, can be, as honorable as making peace., as in the case of the Commandos who did not try to fool anybody with peace slogans, and white Humanitarian Doves. They came to take control of the ship and that's it.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 It is hypocritical to assume that just because the commandos were involved in violence without claiming to be peaceful means that it was an honourable act. Moreover, since when did being a peace activism mean that in case of an attack (the commandos came with guns, entered forcefully) that you stop having basic human instinct to defend yourself? If the peace activists really intended to attack, why didn't they just bring in actual weapons if they planned to use them anyway?
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
1.
Let's not go around, the scope of this mission was not humanitarian. All the aid on this ship was loaded on less than 10 trucks; much of the load was a huge pile of expired medicine.
Israel transport to Gaza 150 fully loaded trucks every day, so there is no Humanitarian logic behind this ship. The logic was to break the siege.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
2.
Israel said it will not allow breaking the siege, and sent troops to stop it.
The activists were supposed to select one of the following options:
Accept the Israeli offer and pass the aid through Israel, after it was inspected, to verify that no arms are smuggled in,
Refuse, make their point and withdraw.
Being peace activists attacking the soldiers and refusing arrest, is not an option, cause than you know that the stronger wins.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 1. Where did you get this information that the aid was just expired medicines? Also, I think you're forgetting that international humanitarian organizations have reports on how Israel reduced the aid to 20% which was less than a quarter of what is needed. There is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza and the only one who doesn't agree with it is Israel. Should we just take Israel's word on that?
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
when you are right you are right.
I also think that the list of banned materials should be revised.
I also think that in any case of a material that is banned in order to pressure Hammas rather than for security reasons, that material should be allowed in.
Personally being a parent of 5, 3 and 2 weeks old babies, and being the one on the target hit list of Hammas in the next confrontation, I urge my government to be as flexible as possible
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 While you speak as a parent and wish you government to be more flexible, I was expecting that rather you would want you government to be more considerate out of humanity. I assure you that living in Gaza is no where as it is living in Tel Aviv or Sderot. The type of weapons used, being forced out of your homes, not being able to help from your loved ones who are injured because there are no supplies and being imprisoned and isolated from the world. That's Gaza not Tel Aviv.
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
I also urge my government to be as flexible as possible, even though a mistake would be on my account as a civilian a parent of almost 3 of 3, 5 and -2 weeks years old babies.
It is clear to me that in the next conflict with Hammas, also Tel-Aviv will be in the range of its missiles. Have any idea what it feels like being under such a threat?
Unlike you, I can imagine what it feels like living in Gaza these days, I can almost feel their pain.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 Israel's blockade is illegal in the first place. Sure you can quote about the international law permitting blockade but when it is causing the suffering of a million people it isn't the same thing. Moreover, it is utterly naive to believe that had the aid passed through Israel all would have been well. Israel had prevented clothes, books still prevents building materials besides other necessities to Gaza. Those things are needed even more after the last year's attack on Gaza.
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
As I said, legality can be discussed, but definitely not by IHH, an organisation with proven ties to Al-Qaeda, with past of arms trafficking and smuggling, who is under a close watch of all western security services including the Turkish one.
All materials on the boat were checked and uploaded on a few trucks to be passed to Gaza, through land checkpoint. Everything was documented and listed. I did not say that all was expired medicine not even most, but a big part of the load was.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 Would you be kind enough to share this documented list because I've not seen in being mentioned. Alright, so IHH had ties in the past with Al-Qaeda so they can't discuss the legality. What about the UN or UK who have also questioned the blockade? What would it take for Israel to actually start accepting responsibility for the whole conflict? There have been reports after reports on Israel's violations but they have dismissed them. Can they not be held accountable for anything?
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
Yet, even with all that said, I can not take the blame for it all.
You must have 2 to tango. Peace will come to this region only if Palestinians take control of their fate. Peace will happen when their leaders will be more concerned by building their own rather than destroying ours. You can not elect a terror group that vows to destroy me and expect that somehow you will be saved.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 Of course for peace to be reached it should be mutual. But you cannot also claim that the block to peace is Israeli actions, remember the Israeli denial to stop building more settlements just recently? If you consider Hamas as a terror group you should be willing to accept the Israeli government of being the same. Just look at how many innocent people have been persecuted or killed by Israel and compare it to how many are by Hamas.
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 It is not surprising that the Israeli court once again dismissed any charges against the IDF and provided excuses for their actions. The easiest thing for Israel to do now (something they are doing in the US as well) is to make Hamas the scapegoat in all this. I'd isn't a good image, but how would you feel if your loved ones died trying to aid an oppressed nation and those who killed got away... again? There were no weapons or arms on board remember, so that's no excuse either.
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
No, they were not smuggling arms, not this time at least.
Still the ones that died, and most if not all injured by firearms, were no peace activists. All were were trained mercenary terrorists, who were not only armed, but also declared that they came to be martyrs, they came to fight, and each had the round sum of 10K $ in his pocket.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 I still await for some proof about the aid they brought, you mentioned some list. "All were trained mercenary terrorists" is also not supported by any evidence. If they were then why not arrest them and not deport them? I don't know why just because they had knives and metal rods you would assume they were considered "armed". No one else seems to suggest they came as martyrs either nor was any mention of the money. So please share some source to prove all of these things.
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
Look around, it is already out there.
The 2 Dutch on board, were under close watched surveillance by the dutch secret service, with relations to terrorism.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
At least 3 of the Turks, declared it to their family and relatives. Saw it on normal channel 2 Israeli TV, I do not understand Turkish so unless it was a conspiracy I have to take the word of the translator on this.
It will surly be mentioned by the investigative commission the UN will appoint, though they will do their best to underestimate the importance of the money found on all the dead people - all happened the bouncer type guys, big, tall, and unfortunately also stupid.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
Sorry, but it is not possible to put the blame on Israel for all troubles Gazans have.
You have to remember that Palestinian authority came to Gaza after Oslo according to agreements between the 2 sides signed by the US and the international community as well. Under this agreement Gaza rule should act in line of the agreements, guess where does that put Hammas?
Hammas power, since declaring its refusal to accept the accords with Israel, is Illegal.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 So what you're saying is that Israel can continue to do whatever they like under the pretext that it is because of Hamas? I think you're forgetting that Hamas was elected by the people of Gaza democratically, something the US and Israel were in favour of. The fact that Hamas openly states their views against Israelis while Israel doesn't against the Palestinians does not change facts or statistics which prove who is the oppressor and who is the oppressed.
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 Hamas would be just as illegal as would Israel be if Israel did not accept or wasn't acting in violation of many UN and international laws. A good example is last year's war where Israel should have displayed some form of justice by at least trying the war criminals in neutral courts. Did that happen? No. Is Israel oppressing a million people by preventing them proper healthcare and basic necessities because they do not like their government? Yes. How is that justifiable?
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 Israel's disproportionate response in Gaza last year was a clear sign of aggression against an unarmed population. Did anyone accept the blame? Did anyone stand in trail? Did anyone even apologize to the people of Gaza for killing so many innocent people? No. What was done instead was excuses for everything, that "we tried very hard to avoid that" or "it was Hamas's fault". I mean really? No one at all come forward to admit something!
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
War crimes? Just as Brits in Afghanistan, Iraq & Serbia are criminals.
Proportionate?
How do you measure it? If they killed 25 people, killing 30 is proportionate? How many dead soldiers count for 1 dead child?
If they shell us for 8 years with 10,000 rockets, for how many years after should we bomb them, or maybe since we have an organized army we can do it in one Blitz like last year? Do you keep all the proportions accounting in spreadsheets? Should we use excel?
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 Let's get something straight shall we. Yes, those too were war crimes and not just by the British but the US mainly. So what you're saying is that since we don't know exactly what "proportionate" is we get the green light to just kill as many as we like? Last time I checked Israel killed 10 times more people in less than a month that those "10,000" actually 7,000 rockets killed in 8 years! Are Israelis just bad at math or shall we consider this as justice?
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@sigalgross1
Proportionate… I like the word, put the war in a whole new different office like perspective, just as wars in 21st century should be…1984 Orwell type of war.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 Btw, please avoid the condescending tone when it comes to such things. Using an excel sheet to keep an account on the murders is a tasteless statement. I wouldn't like harm to you or your family but imagine for a second that your children were among those killed. You find it funny now thinking about them in some excel sheet as accounted killed? I hope not.
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
Condescending just as you and your blaming arguments, after reading some books about the Mideast conflict.
Condescending ? Proportionate is condescending.
& BTW we didn't get it straight; I do not think that neither Brits nor Americans in Afghanistan, Iraq, or Serbia are war criminals. I once had a friend who preached about "turning of the other chick", I once saw him argue, I wouldn't want to be on the other side, many people who preach to such high morals are scums in private
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 I'm guessing you meant "the other cheek". Proportionate is condescending? That doesn't even make any sense! For your information, I do not make my arguments reading books on the Middle East Conflict, although it seems you are quite a selective viewer. It has recently come as a surprise how brainwashed the Israelis living in Israel have been due to their media.
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 Oh btw, you think you can almost feel how they do in Gaza? Read this report by Oxfam from last year and compare it to how you live now and think again if you really do live in similar conditions:
oxfam(dot)org(dot)uk/resources/policy/conflict_disasters/downloads/gaza_implosion.pdf
Replace the (dot) with actual dots. It is a PDF file btw.
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
As I said proportionate is not in my dictionary for war and suffering.
So I do not wish think or aspire to be living in the same conditions as the people in Gaza, however, leaving in Israel for the last decade, I know what it means to be shelled and bombed, and yet again maybe they should try to get some peace, to stop all that pain, they have the money, don't they? they can prosper, all they need it to try and get to peace with Israel, In my idea, it is not that difficult
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 You know what is interesting. I think I've spoken to you somewhere else before because you've started repeating the same lines now. Aren't you on deviantart too?
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck sorry what is deviantart/ isn't it some art community?
No I was not.
You might have heard it before, it will soon be common knowledge, providing that networks would like to make it public, since it is not that good with the peace activists image they initially portrayed
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 Yes, it is an art community but the interesting thing was that person was also an Israeli mother with a name almost like yours. Anyway, the question about mercenaries onboard is only Israel's claim, and most of the photos of the weapons seem to be fake. None of the major news sites mention anything about the 3 Turks btw. I still don't see how post-incident knowledge (mostly inaccurate) seems relevant to why Israel had the licence to kill those people.
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
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sigalgross1 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck Have to go - a doppo
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 Well you take care then
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 Since you've left I don't intend to leave many replies. But where did you assume that "they have the money"? Where would such money come from? And you spoke of them prospering, well look again, Israel will allow the aid WITHOUT the cement and building material. I wanna see how easy it would've been for Israel to prosper without building anything have having many of what they have built destroyed.
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
In addition to be illegal in the eyes of past agreements, it is also a denounced terror organization. During the last 3 years Hammas executed 600 Palestinians, and shot the knee cap of more than 2000 Fatah activists, crippling them for life. Hammas rules Gaza with terror, just as one might expect from a terror organization.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@sigalgross1 I would not say that Hamas is an angel and they have not done wrong in the past. Something Arabs even accept that there have been mistakes made and internal conflicts have been destructive to the common Palestinian. However, shouldn't the other side too admit to some of their faults as well? Cuz, everytime I just see more propaganda to make it always look like it was the Palestinian's fault. Taking responsibility and punishing our own people who make mistakes would've helped.
DaMainDuck 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
1
Unlike you I am not trying to play some blame game, of the "they started first" kind.
Left wing western people treat this conflict is rather patronizing: " you natives we know what's good for you". Well I can assure you that their are enough responsible adults in Israel, we are a rather advanced western country, we have moral standards and views just like you and your friends have, we have an advanced Judiciary system, we are not perfect but we have a functioning democracy.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
2.
As such we also have some good brains around, actually some of the best, I can assure you that some of them sit day and night looking for solutions.
The conflict is not about race, it has nothing to do with ethics or morality, it is merely 2 peoples fighting over the same rather small piece of land.
I do not see how can you, or for that matter any foreign power, help in the process of peace and reconciliation. think of it as kids, 2 brothers that argue and fight over a toy.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
3.
Any modern child psychologist will tell you, as a parent, stay out of the argument and never take a side. In any case you do not obey this rule, you lose, a triple loss – cause no matter how you intervene, 1 will be angry and most of the times both will.
And what is more important, you ruin the chances for them to actually learn how to solve their problems and live together.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
4
I am sure that by now you get the analogy.
It is also clear that you do think that you have a place in the solution, well sorry to disappoint you, you do not. We have to find a way on our own, tell you even more, we would have had peace at least since 1968, if it wasn't for foreign powers and foreign interests, intervening taking sides and preventing us, the locals who really have to live with one another, to actually do it.
sigalgross1 1 year ago
@DaMainDuck
5.
Ever thought about it? You, yes you, as an obstacle for peace in the Mideast?
Shocking? You came from such good universities, Oxford, Berkley, UCLA, Cambridge and Harvard, you are so educated, well mannered, "open" to hear other views, left wing, who peace activist, how could you be the cause of all that Mideast chaos, it can not be true, it must be the natives, probably the Zionists.
Well be honest and open - give it a thought
sigalgross1 1 year ago
guess no one on that ship listened to jesus, ghandi or martin luther king junior.
aRAUSEr7 1 year ago
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all Muslim hypocrites, most of the killings done by Muslims worldwide.
Islam is a religion in the extreme, violent, advocates death, willing to kill babies, the elderly, women in the synagogue, mosques and churches.
This religion should disappear from the world as soon as possible.
Hitler had to destroy the Muslims, not the Jews and the whole world paid the price know
orenfren 1 year ago 5
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Islam is the new cancer, it invades everywhere and reproduced like bacteria. Any place where he found it destroys and kills everyone there before. World Watch up destroy the cancer now
orenfren 1 year ago
ISREAL PROTECTOR OF THE WESTER WORLD the arabs cant take it after they LOST ALL WARS they using now propaganda against isreal and going to tham very well i must admit BUT ARABS CANT TELL OR HEAR THE true they ARE ALL FUCKING LIER WITH CRAZY ReLIGION THAT JIHAD BRING THAM &@ GIRLS NEXT WORLD
royc7 1 year ago
Peace Activists with weapons LOL!!! arabs are so stupid..
Sco7pioN 1 year ago 5
@Sco7pioN They where not arabs. Some of them might be, but the majority was turks.
Tananjoh 1 year ago
I agree rullar, i'm a uk citizen and it sickens me to see so many of my fellow brits violently against your country. I apologise on behalf of those brits aboard the ship, they make me sick. god bless israel...to all the lefty brits, here's one brit who stands 100% behind israel.
19801290 1 year ago
peace activists.. or terrorists??
alwaysSish 1 year ago
Yes they threw stones and they hit some solders so what, they were in the international water not in Israel side, they were protection them self’s, like you are pretending, the only deference is that y