Jefferson: "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. If it could be understood it would not answer their purpose. Their security is in their faculty of shedding darkness....making it impenetrable to the eye of a pursuing enemy, and there they will skulk."
Jefferson also called the Book of the Revelation "merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams."
George Washington, In his farewell speech on September 19, 1796: "It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity, our religion and morality are the indispensable supporters. Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that our national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
@Enigmaticaluna13 I am going to say this once...Just because someone uses the word god doesn't mean a damn thing that the believes on whatever you want to believe in. I find myself to say "o god" quite often too under certain circumstances you can imagine. No point of pursuing an argument. Clearly what I appreciate this country for is not the same as yours,
Thomas Jefferson wrote on the front of his well- worn Bible: "I am a Christian, that is to say a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our Creator and, I hope, to the pure doctrine of Jesus also."
@Enigmaticaluna13 Of course your quote might be misleading to any who don't know that Jefferson's "pure doctrine of Jesus" consisted of what little was left of the gospels when he trashed everything he didn't like or couldn't believe (miracles,divinity,teachings he felt were "falsehoods and charlatanisms") in a process he described as "cutting verse by verse out of the printed book, and arranging the matter which is evidently his, and which is as easily distinguishable as diamonds in a dunghill"
Patrick Henry.- The words he wrote shortly before his death: "I have disposed of all my property to my family. There is one thing more I wish I could give to them, and that is the Christian religion. If they had that and I had not given them one cent, they would be rich. If they have not that, and I had given them the world, they would be poor."
Patrick Henry, Famous words, "An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death.
How to believe this crap, if the truth is so different..just some info. so everyone know that this video lie, provably done by a liberal that try to distort history, eliminating the good of this Republic.
" 52 of the 56 signers of The Declaration of Independence were orthodox, deeply committed Christians? The other four all believed in the Bible as the divine truth, the God of scripture, and His personal intervention"
Thay warned us of a central bank and especially warned us of paying for the poor, who will become lazy if too much by the way of charity is given to them. Where is your video about. Just look around any city, but lets use my city, NYC the lazy savages get free food, free housing, free bus passes, free daycare for all their illegitimate children, free healthcare etc. and its still not enough! But every one of our founding fathers warned us of thiat. Please make that video!
Were all these things said before any of these men witnessed the French Revolution? Certainly they did not witness the horrors of communism and national socialism.
What know you of communism and socialism? And how do you make the connection from religion to communism?!
Doesn't seem to me like you know much about any of those systems from the comment you made. Very superficial and irrational in my opinion. You might want to stop listening to what others tell you, and get to know the human species through your own eyes, instead of seeking links that don't exist.
@raelko Communism was not bad because of it's lack of religion. It is bad because it just doesn't work. I love how people take the failure of communism as some proof that we need God in politics. We need freedom in our populace so that they can worship as they choose or not - but religion in politics is poison. Our forefathers knew that,. Now if they could just have a little chat with the current GOP.
@raelko Wow! You must think you have some kind of super mind powers if you think you can infer from my comments what I know about Communism. What do you know about communism? Apparently you were born in the last twenty years and were raised by communists or you just lived in a cave with access to any information from outside. There is no connection from religion to communism. The point is that more people have been butchered in the name of atheistic ideologies than for religion.
Perhaps time for you to spend more time studying human history and less time writing to me. The only reason why you know of your religion is because it spread out of the shithole it was started through the mechanism of death and fear. But I am sure you can convince yourself otherwise.
@ram0166 Atheism is not a believe system.Atheism is a lack of believe. What makes communism evil is the Philosophy it self. It is what they believe.So to say more people have been killed under atheism is just silly. Also National socialism was not an atheist ideology. Hitler was a catholic,and he also talked about how religion is useful.
@raelko The danger is when people think they have all the answers and believe they have the right to impose it on everyone else by the use of force. A Christian who follows the word of Christ does not try to impose it on others: only use the power of witness and persuasion. The person who wants use government to enforce his idea of a perfect society has no choice but to use the power of government to impose it by force. Th end result more dead than from religious people killing each other.
@ram0166 keep your teabag head ignorance out of the talk. sry to say, but most independents don't care for the religiuos right. so suck it up, keep your asshowle howlng whining awwway from real thinkers like the founding fathers...no one that is truly educate wants to hear your tea bag fug ups yap over and over about spending, while you didn't even exist until an other democrat came into power (fake feaugs, religious right, complaigners)
Fear of Stalin was real and of course it was intense. Fear of Mohammed or gods is an imaginary burden on a human's already filled plate. Besides, since when does Stalin represent secularism? One of the reasons people like Stalin rose to power was precisely because religions like yours and others kept their people uneducated and ignorant, easy prey for people like Stalin, who was well informed about your religion, considering he studied to become a priest in his early days.
Of course there would be...We no longer are subjects to many religions that could have just as well arrived to your days. I don't see many people being sacrificed to Mars or Zeus nowadays. In our lifetime, I have no doubt, religion will remain what it is, but that's not to say one should just accept it and not do his/her part against such fictitious ideologies. I will totally disregard your closing statement.
@tiedeast 1. I certainly do hope he is not of any religion. I have no problem with that at all. As far as the baptists go, I could really care less. As far as I am concerned people need freedom from religion more than freedom of religion.
@tiedeast Last I checked we are a social species. If we weren't you wouldn't be alive today. As a political/economical ideology socialism seems to work just fine especially for the Scandinavian nations.
But that alone, reason doesn't choose sides; it can't. So as you say reason is a good as the one that practices it. So what? The difference between using reason vs religion, is that by using reason, those who don't have much of it, still have a chance of living a life without fear and bullshit.
@tiedeast What historians do or don't do I could care less. Anyone with a brain is able to do just as a thorough analysis as any so called historian. But then again, I don't care about what people try to do or not. This is not a race between secularist and religionists. Biblical faith in what you call god is what religion is. Men of faith would do better to follow their messiah's advice: Give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's and to god what is god's. There are enough people to lead with reason instead
@tiedeast History has many faces. Studying the nature of men in general is far more important than studying Washington if you catch my wind. I leave you with a quote by Seneca (1st century) : Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
@tiedeast My point was to show that the founding Fathers as people seem to refer to them, were pragmatic people who valued reason and freedom of thought above all else, particularly organized thought in the form of religion as people perceive it. From my point of view they were anti christian, anti muslim, anti jewish and whatever else have you, at least the ones I quoted from.
@tiedeast In what way do I write the contrary of what you did?! I didn't comment on the origin of the word christianity, nor on the origin of a church of any kind. Normally I totally disregard closing statements like yours, for if you lived in a different age your opinion on the matter would have been very different. So I'll leave you to your beliefs of whatever color or smell they may be.
I am quite certain christianity as a belief system is nothing but an organized belief system. If it wasn't organized, you would have never heard the word Christianity, let alone the ridiculous tales associated with it.
U had quotes from 5 founding fathers, 3 of those 5 were some of the least religious of the founders and did not represent the founders as a whole. This video really didnt prove much.
I didn't mean to prove anything. I only intended to share for those who seem to talk to much about the founders, but know so little about them, what the founders intended this nation to be. Particularly the role of religion in this new civilization experiment, that has not been going too well so far. Of course, it doesn't represent them all, but these fellas were the brains behind the operation. The rest are not my concern.
@raelko 1. "these fellas were the brains behind the operation." Washington, Adams, Franklin, Jefferson were all very important. Paine was influential in the revolution but did not help frame the Declaration, Articles, or the Constitution, did not hold public office or fight in the revolution. His role was important yes, but there were others who did way more than he did. Those others would completely throw off your video's conclusion of what the founders thought the role of religion should be.
Those others seem to be included in the "those others" category. A category that I am not particularly interested in nor care as I am sure had I lived in those days, I would not have set on their table but on the table of these fellas who yes, were a minority as you seem to point out. But I am more interested in introducing the architects, the leaders so to speak of the great conscience revolution, and not those who followed and decorated the pages with their signatures.
@raelko Many of the people I listed were "architects" u just choose to look thru a certain lens and see what u wanna see. U didn't even list people like Samuel Adams, Patrick Henry, or George Whitfield who were very influential in spawning the American Revolution. All three of whom would contradict your inaccurate conclusion in your video. Even James Otis, who was the leader of the Sons of Liberty, a group whom was very influential in the revolution, would contradict your conclusions.
@bRizzle2009100 1st: We all have favorites, I am sure if they were alive they wouldn't have cared. 2nd- this is not a matter of patriotism and I am focusing on the conscience revolution which was the great difference between the old order and our novus ordum seclorum. I don't seem to conclude anything in the video, other than providing an insight into the vision and characters of some of the architects of the american experiment. I have no doubt the sons of liberty were loyal to their cause.
@raelko 2. James Wilson, Gouvernuer Morris, & Roger Sherman (along with Madison) were the main framers of the Constitution. All the delegates had a part in framing it, but those 4 were the main ones. But if u were to list quotes from either of those guys (if u looked hard enough) u would find your videos conclusions are inaccurate. Even Washington made a statement that the most important influences in government are religion and morality. Most founders made similar statements.
@raelko 3. Look up Benjamin Rush, Noah Webster, Roger Sherman, James Wilson, Gouvernuer Morris, George Mason, John Jay, John Witherspoon, John Quincy Adams, Elias Boudinot, Jacob Broom, Charles Carroll, Elbridge Gerry, Alexander Hamilton, John Hancock, John Morton, Robert Treat Paine, William Patterson, Richard Stockton, and many others. All of these men were founding fathers and had a completely different view than what u portrayed in your video. By the way, all these men were Christians.
@bRizzle2009100 I have no doubt that many of them were so called christians, else we wouldn't have so much nonsense nowadays to deal with. So I really am not very thankful when it comes to that personally. No doubt they were patriots to their cause and pockets, and I take no beef with that. I am well aware that the state of the western world at the time was such that religion still had the upper hand, hence even the brave patriots had their mental weaknesses to deal with as I call them.
@raelko Well u might not have intentionally concluded that in the video, but that is the way it is portrayed. There are many quotes u could have put up there that would have steered in into a different direction. U said these men were the architects. Patrick Henry, Samuel Adams, and George Whitfield were also architects of the revolution but there not in here. The founders viewed religion as a foundation for our government and society, nothing less.
I would have to strongly disagree with you on that last one. If anything freedom from religion was the foundation not religion itself. If anything in my video I try to make that point precisely.
@raelko Well we can disagree on things like the role of government and so forth but not something like history. History is fact. It's already happened and its already been written in the history books. Read original sources, not books written in the 20th or 21st century. Read their own words. Read the debates on the first amendment in the Annals of Congress. Read Madison's notes on the Convention. Read the letters they sent to each other back and forth. It's all there.
On this note I disagree with you as well. History is not fact, but an attempt to reconstruct the past, and more often than not in an inaccurate way.
At this point we argue on semantics, for what christian means to you is entirely different from what it means to me it seems. You call Jefferson a christian, yet Jefferson was anything but. Simply you are playing semantics at this point, which is what religious really is...word games that the meek and the idiots hold as truths.
@raelko "You call Jefferson a christian, yet Jefferson was anything but." I never called Jefferson a Christian. I have an entire video on Jefferson's religious beliefs. Jefferson, HIMSELF, called himself a Christian. However, he did not hold traditional or orthodox Christian beliefs. He did NOT believe in the Trinity or Jesus' Divinity. Do I consider him a Christian? No, but my opinion doesnt matter. The fact is that he called himself one but didnt hold traditional or orthodox Christian beliefs.
Jefferson: "Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them; and no man ever had a distinct idea of the trinity. It is mere Abracadabra of the mountebanks calling themselves the priests of Jesus. If it could be understood it would not answer their purpose. Their security is in their faculty of shedding darkness....making it impenetrable to the eye of a pursuing enemy, and there they will skulk."
pogopogopogo3 1 month ago
Jefferson also called the Book of the Revelation "merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams."
pogopogopogo3 1 month ago
@Enigmaticaluna13 nope that was john q adams
ymkamara420 5 months ago
George Washington, In his farewell speech on September 19, 1796: "It is impossible to govern the world without God and the Bible. Of all the dispositions and habits that lead to political prosperity, our religion and morality are the indispensable supporters. Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that our national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."
Enigmaticaluna13 5 months ago
@Enigmaticaluna13 I am going to say this once...Just because someone uses the word god doesn't mean a damn thing that the believes on whatever you want to believe in. I find myself to say "o god" quite often too under certain circumstances you can imagine. No point of pursuing an argument. Clearly what I appreciate this country for is not the same as yours,
raelko 1 month ago
Thomas Jefferson wrote on the front of his well- worn Bible: "I am a Christian, that is to say a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus. I have little doubt that our whole country will soon be rallied to the unity of our Creator and, I hope, to the pure doctrine of Jesus also."
Enigmaticaluna13 5 months ago
@Enigmaticaluna13 he made his own vision of the bible
ymkamara420 5 months ago
@Enigmaticaluna13 Of course your quote might be misleading to any who don't know that Jefferson's "pure doctrine of Jesus" consisted of what little was left of the gospels when he trashed everything he didn't like or couldn't believe (miracles,divinity,teachings he felt were "falsehoods and charlatanisms") in a process he described as "cutting verse by verse out of the printed book, and arranging the matter which is evidently his, and which is as easily distinguishable as diamonds in a dunghill"
pogopogopogo3 1 month ago
Patrick Henry.- The words he wrote shortly before his death: "I have disposed of all my property to my family. There is one thing more I wish I could give to them, and that is the Christian religion. If they had that and I had not given them one cent, they would be rich. If they have not that, and I had given them the world, they would be poor."
Enigmaticaluna13 5 months ago
Patrick Henry, Famous words, "An appeal to arms and the God of hosts is all that is left us. But we shall not fight our battle alone. There is a just God that presides over the destinies of nations. The battle sir, is not of the strong alone. Is life so dear or peace so sweet as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it almighty God. I know not what course others may take, but as for me, give me liberty, or give me death.
Enigmaticaluna13 5 months ago
How to believe this crap, if the truth is so different..just some info. so everyone know that this video lie, provably done by a liberal that try to distort history, eliminating the good of this Republic.
" 52 of the 56 signers of The Declaration of Independence were orthodox, deeply committed Christians? The other four all believed in the Bible as the divine truth, the God of scripture, and His personal intervention"
Enigmaticaluna13 5 months ago
Great concept and music but the text was too hard to read and went by much too fast for me to read comfortably.
MrDein 5 months ago
Thay warned us of a central bank and especially warned us of paying for the poor, who will become lazy if too much by the way of charity is given to them. Where is your video about. Just look around any city, but lets use my city, NYC the lazy savages get free food, free housing, free bus passes, free daycare for all their illegitimate children, free healthcare etc. and its still not enough! But every one of our founding fathers warned us of thiat. Please make that video!
nytmstr 8 months ago
Were all these things said before any of these men witnessed the French Revolution? Certainly they did not witness the horrors of communism and national socialism.
ram0166 8 months ago
@ram0166
What know you of communism and socialism? And how do you make the connection from religion to communism?!
Doesn't seem to me like you know much about any of those systems from the comment you made. Very superficial and irrational in my opinion. You might want to stop listening to what others tell you, and get to know the human species through your own eyes, instead of seeking links that don't exist.
raelko 8 months ago
@raelko Communism was not bad because of it's lack of religion. It is bad because it just doesn't work. I love how people take the failure of communism as some proof that we need God in politics. We need freedom in our populace so that they can worship as they choose or not - but religion in politics is poison. Our forefathers knew that,. Now if they could just have a little chat with the current GOP.
Bluefairy513 8 months ago
@Bluefairy513
Freedom is all fine to have, but something equally important is reason. A free irrational people are doomed to a bad ending.
raelko 8 months ago
@raelko Great point.
Bluefairy513 8 months ago
@raelko Wow! You must think you have some kind of super mind powers if you think you can infer from my comments what I know about Communism. What do you know about communism? Apparently you were born in the last twenty years and were raised by communists or you just lived in a cave with access to any information from outside. There is no connection from religion to communism. The point is that more people have been butchered in the name of atheistic ideologies than for religion.
ram0166 8 months ago
@ram0166
Really! That's what you think eh!
Perhaps time for you to spend more time studying human history and less time writing to me. The only reason why you know of your religion is because it spread out of the shithole it was started through the mechanism of death and fear. But I am sure you can convince yourself otherwise.
raelko 8 months ago
@ram0166 Atheism is not a believe system.Atheism is a lack of believe. What makes communism evil is the Philosophy it self. It is what they believe.So to say more people have been killed under atheism is just silly. Also National socialism was not an atheist ideology. Hitler was a catholic,and he also talked about how religion is useful.
Cogitatio023 7 months ago
@raelko The danger is when people think they have all the answers and believe they have the right to impose it on everyone else by the use of force. A Christian who follows the word of Christ does not try to impose it on others: only use the power of witness and persuasion. The person who wants use government to enforce his idea of a perfect society has no choice but to use the power of government to impose it by force. Th end result more dead than from religious people killing each other.
ram0166 8 months ago
@ram0166 keep your teabag head ignorance out of the talk. sry to say, but most independents don't care for the religiuos right. so suck it up, keep your asshowle howlng whining awwway from real thinkers like the founding fathers...no one that is truly educate wants to hear your tea bag fug ups yap over and over about spending, while you didn't even exist until an other democrat came into power (fake feaugs, religious right, complaigners)
rurh1981 6 months ago
@tiedeast
Fear of Stalin was real and of course it was intense. Fear of Mohammed or gods is an imaginary burden on a human's already filled plate. Besides, since when does Stalin represent secularism? One of the reasons people like Stalin rose to power was precisely because religions like yours and others kept their people uneducated and ignorant, easy prey for people like Stalin, who was well informed about your religion, considering he studied to become a priest in his early days.
raelko 10 months ago
@tiedeast
Of course there would be...We no longer are subjects to many religions that could have just as well arrived to your days. I don't see many people being sacrificed to Mars or Zeus nowadays. In our lifetime, I have no doubt, religion will remain what it is, but that's not to say one should just accept it and not do his/her part against such fictitious ideologies. I will totally disregard your closing statement.
raelko 10 months ago
@tiedeast 1. I certainly do hope he is not of any religion. I have no problem with that at all. As far as the baptists go, I could really care less. As far as I am concerned people need freedom from religion more than freedom of religion.
raelko 10 months ago
@tiedeast I think we had one for 8 years.
raelko 10 months ago
@tiedeast Last I checked we are a social species. If we weren't you wouldn't be alive today. As a political/economical ideology socialism seems to work just fine especially for the Scandinavian nations.
But that alone, reason doesn't choose sides; it can't. So as you say reason is a good as the one that practices it. So what? The difference between using reason vs religion, is that by using reason, those who don't have much of it, still have a chance of living a life without fear and bullshit.
raelko 10 months ago
@tiedeast What historians do or don't do I could care less. Anyone with a brain is able to do just as a thorough analysis as any so called historian. But then again, I don't care about what people try to do or not. This is not a race between secularist and religionists. Biblical faith in what you call god is what religion is. Men of faith would do better to follow their messiah's advice: Give to Ceasar what is Ceasar's and to god what is god's. There are enough people to lead with reason instead
raelko 10 months ago
@tiedeast History has many faces. Studying the nature of men in general is far more important than studying Washington if you catch my wind. I leave you with a quote by Seneca (1st century) : Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful.
raelko 10 months ago
@tiedeast My point was to show that the founding Fathers as people seem to refer to them, were pragmatic people who valued reason and freedom of thought above all else, particularly organized thought in the form of religion as people perceive it. From my point of view they were anti christian, anti muslim, anti jewish and whatever else have you, at least the ones I quoted from.
raelko 10 months ago
@tiedeast In what way do I write the contrary of what you did?! I didn't comment on the origin of the word christianity, nor on the origin of a church of any kind. Normally I totally disregard closing statements like yours, for if you lived in a different age your opinion on the matter would have been very different. So I'll leave you to your beliefs of whatever color or smell they may be.
raelko 10 months ago
@tiedeast
I am quite certain christianity as a belief system is nothing but an organized belief system. If it wasn't organized, you would have never heard the word Christianity, let alone the ridiculous tales associated with it.
raelko 10 months ago
Godly Nation!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Founded upon Bible principles!!!!!!!!!!!
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patriotadEEUU 10 months ago
U had quotes from 5 founding fathers, 3 of those 5 were some of the least religious of the founders and did not represent the founders as a whole. This video really didnt prove much.
bRizzle2009100 1 year ago
@bRizzle2009100
... and what seems to be the problem with that?!
I didn't mean to prove anything. I only intended to share for those who seem to talk to much about the founders, but know so little about them, what the founders intended this nation to be. Particularly the role of religion in this new civilization experiment, that has not been going too well so far. Of course, it doesn't represent them all, but these fellas were the brains behind the operation. The rest are not my concern.
raelko 1 year ago
@raelko 1. "these fellas were the brains behind the operation." Washington, Adams, Franklin, Jefferson were all very important. Paine was influential in the revolution but did not help frame the Declaration, Articles, or the Constitution, did not hold public office or fight in the revolution. His role was important yes, but there were others who did way more than he did. Those others would completely throw off your video's conclusion of what the founders thought the role of religion should be.
bRizzle2009100 1 year ago
@bRizzle2009100
Those others seem to be included in the "those others" category. A category that I am not particularly interested in nor care as I am sure had I lived in those days, I would not have set on their table but on the table of these fellas who yes, were a minority as you seem to point out. But I am more interested in introducing the architects, the leaders so to speak of the great conscience revolution, and not those who followed and decorated the pages with their signatures.
raelko 1 year ago
@raelko Many of the people I listed were "architects" u just choose to look thru a certain lens and see what u wanna see. U didn't even list people like Samuel Adams, Patrick Henry, or George Whitfield who were very influential in spawning the American Revolution. All three of whom would contradict your inaccurate conclusion in your video. Even James Otis, who was the leader of the Sons of Liberty, a group whom was very influential in the revolution, would contradict your conclusions.
bRizzle2009100 1 year ago
@bRizzle2009100 1st: We all have favorites, I am sure if they were alive they wouldn't have cared. 2nd- this is not a matter of patriotism and I am focusing on the conscience revolution which was the great difference between the old order and our novus ordum seclorum. I don't seem to conclude anything in the video, other than providing an insight into the vision and characters of some of the architects of the american experiment. I have no doubt the sons of liberty were loyal to their cause.
raelko 1 year ago
@raelko 2. James Wilson, Gouvernuer Morris, & Roger Sherman (along with Madison) were the main framers of the Constitution. All the delegates had a part in framing it, but those 4 were the main ones. But if u were to list quotes from either of those guys (if u looked hard enough) u would find your videos conclusions are inaccurate. Even Washington made a statement that the most important influences in government are religion and morality. Most founders made similar statements.
bRizzle2009100 1 year ago
@raelko 3. Look up Benjamin Rush, Noah Webster, Roger Sherman, James Wilson, Gouvernuer Morris, George Mason, John Jay, John Witherspoon, John Quincy Adams, Elias Boudinot, Jacob Broom, Charles Carroll, Elbridge Gerry, Alexander Hamilton, John Hancock, John Morton, Robert Treat Paine, William Patterson, Richard Stockton, and many others. All of these men were founding fathers and had a completely different view than what u portrayed in your video. By the way, all these men were Christians.
bRizzle2009100 1 year ago
@bRizzle2009100 I have no doubt that many of them were so called christians, else we wouldn't have so much nonsense nowadays to deal with. So I really am not very thankful when it comes to that personally. No doubt they were patriots to their cause and pockets, and I take no beef with that. I am well aware that the state of the western world at the time was such that religion still had the upper hand, hence even the brave patriots had their mental weaknesses to deal with as I call them.
raelko 1 year ago
@raelko Well u might not have intentionally concluded that in the video, but that is the way it is portrayed. There are many quotes u could have put up there that would have steered in into a different direction. U said these men were the architects. Patrick Henry, Samuel Adams, and George Whitfield were also architects of the revolution but there not in here. The founders viewed religion as a foundation for our government and society, nothing less.
bRizzle2009100 1 year ago
@bRizzle2009100
I would have to strongly disagree with you on that last one. If anything freedom from religion was the foundation not religion itself. If anything in my video I try to make that point precisely.
raelko 1 year ago
@raelko Well we can disagree on things like the role of government and so forth but not something like history. History is fact. It's already happened and its already been written in the history books. Read original sources, not books written in the 20th or 21st century. Read their own words. Read the debates on the first amendment in the Annals of Congress. Read Madison's notes on the Convention. Read the letters they sent to each other back and forth. It's all there.
bRizzle2009100 1 year ago
@bRizzle2009100
On this note I disagree with you as well. History is not fact, but an attempt to reconstruct the past, and more often than not in an inaccurate way.
At this point we argue on semantics, for what christian means to you is entirely different from what it means to me it seems. You call Jefferson a christian, yet Jefferson was anything but. Simply you are playing semantics at this point, which is what religious really is...word games that the meek and the idiots hold as truths.
raelko 1 year ago
@raelko "You call Jefferson a christian, yet Jefferson was anything but." I never called Jefferson a Christian. I have an entire video on Jefferson's religious beliefs. Jefferson, HIMSELF, called himself a Christian. However, he did not hold traditional or orthodox Christian beliefs. He did NOT believe in the Trinity or Jesus' Divinity. Do I consider him a Christian? No, but my opinion doesnt matter. The fact is that he called himself one but didnt hold traditional or orthodox Christian beliefs.
bRizzle2009100 1 year ago
Very good video.
FaganRoberts 1 year ago 2
correct video Shqipe!
chessplayer100 2 years ago