This Presidential Decree a louds the President if he suspects you of being a "terrorist" to throw you in a hole without any due process, which is unconstitutional but because of the "Patriot Act" this can be used on you whenever at any time cuz of these phony ass wars.
In Germany, my homecountry, all politicians are considered filthy liars who noone really likes or even believes. A reaction to the Nazi regime. Complete contradiction.
So watching the US from here, I wonder why so many people "like" any politician, any president, since they're so corrupt by nature (business relations, religious and racial ties...)
The primary objective and content of the Magna Carta was the prohibition of the use of Summary jurisdiction [the Roman or Admiralty Law] as a means of unauthorized taxation and seizure of property without due process of Law or just compensation. The colonists were, on the whole, very well schooled in the Common Law and were quite aware of the wrongs that King and Parliament were committing against them. This eventually forced them to rebel.
The elties make money promoting terrorism, as they do for war supplies and loans. Love your country, fear your gov. Taxing the hell out of Americans is another form of terrorizing people, now one is force to get their children vaccinated otherwise they are refused an edcuation. The Tort of Outraged comes to mind.
The true definition of "terrorism" comes from past practices such as these. (they love flipping things upside down.)
Like with the Red Terror, the government is "terrorizing" the citizens with obvious corruption, unlawful detention, torture, and slavery. It is a way of silencing dissent. It scares people into remaining silent.
The only terrorists I'm worried about work for the executive branch.
You know I hear so much strange shit every single day, I just sit here with my mouth open and wondering how the hell this is all let go, how are they getting away with this...it leaves me dumbfounded, gobsmacked!
Land of the free, home of the brave; well maybe not. Anyone who is said to be a terrorist or anyone like you or me can be detained without trial, indefinitely. Ella, you are making it on to the Obama administration's enemies list. It almost seems like Barack picked up where George left off. How long until things deteriorate to the point where mass violence breaks out? The USA is dead and buried and we are living through the aftermath. It appears that failing grades are all that's left.
The foundation of this country's destruction that the Bush administration layed is only being built upon by Obama. Fascism with a friendly face. So much for 'change we can believe in', aye? When are people going to stop listening to either the republican or democratic side and realize that they are merely 2 heads on the same corrupt, vile monster that wears a friendly mask? How many more chances are we willing to give this same shameful lot of controlled, treasonous sell outs before we wake up?
Anongrey, I agree. You need to convince your friends and relatives to vote for alternative parties. The biggest problem is people vote for a dem of rep because they dont want to vote for a loser. But the fringes (dissenters like Greens, Constitutionalists, Libertarians, etc ) also have important ideas to contribute and can influence politics.
A big problem (besides funding) is that these alternative voices have been lost/aren't listened to -- even though many agree with their messages.
Obama may think he is going down in history as someone with credit-like Bush thought , but they are both going down as murderous, self righteous, criminal, rothschilds fascist!
Hes a lawyer ella and he practices deception on a daily basis i just wish those who elected him started asking questions and not waiting another 4 years.
Just goes to show the system is broken though they aint as stupid as the bush administration, all is gloss and rhetoric.
This is so upsetting. One young man has spent his entire teenage years imprisoned without trial...and his appointed US attorney says there's no evidence against him...yet he still sits in Gitmo.
As per usual, heartfelt and intelligent. It is important for us to realize what we've become and take action to rectify it. America the Autocracy? We cannot let that stand.
Considering what torture does to you physically and mentally, seems like killing people off's more humane. Many of the detainees are being held indefinitely because they're no longer fit to be released into the public. It'd be a huge embarrasment for the USA.
Obviosuly both approaches are wrong. This question is: Should Obama admit the errors and move the USA towards an open society (which he said he'd do), or continue the current path towards a closed society (which is what he's doing)?
When the media is removed of its duty of keeping these basterds in check who will stand up for the people? Surely the justice system has been corrupted along with the politicians and media.
The question remains, who stands for the people's interest, a just society, and moral value?
If the media is handcuffed and the courts politicized then it will be up to the people to create a third political party free of corruption. Barring that, revolution will be the only option.
great video. Obama could be a really nice person, but seems to have decided to go the way of the big business bankers.
Obama has some sort of twisted law that takes away rights that date back to the 12th century.
Obama the lawyer?
Obama the business fascist lawyer-makes more sense-- he talks about oppression while holding people without trial. Half of the so-called hijackers from 9-11are alive and no al qeada are really on trial!-CIA is al qaeda-'the base'.-9-11 - the operation
Yes you cant prevently inprison anyone, and it will make a precedent.... to emprison anyone Z200a that was the most stupid question i have sennn in a while
Why was it stupid? Do you doubt that these are the kinds of dilemmas we face after years of Bush/Cheney detention and torture? Do you dismiss out of hand any possibility that we have truly bad people in custody? Do you further dismiss the possibility that the evidence we have against these people is tainted by the criminal practices of the Bush administration, e.g., torture, illegal spying, and even illegal arrest?
Unfortunately, Bush and Company were incompetent and made many, many mistakes. That's why they should also be tried in court -- to set a precedent! But you need to save the innocents over the criminals -- to protect YOU from future abuse.
Do you know that the US gov just rounded people up after 9/11?
Z200a: no, it was NOT a stupid question. It took civil society over 500 years to work these questions out. The entire justice system (as broken as it is) will be undermined once illegal detentions or torture are condoned in order to achieve an imagined result. The end does NOT always justify the means, because there is NO ending to the capacity for cruelty within our species.
Let me ask you a hypothetical question. Suppose we had in custody someone with advanced bomb making skills, who could train many other people to make bombs that would be used to kill innocent civilians. Suppose we had obtained the evidence illegally, therefore rendering it inadmissible in court, which would make conviction impossible.
Should he be released, even with the near certainty that many (perhaps hundreds or thousands) of human beings would die as a result?
Z200a, seeing as any one can learn to make a bomb for 10 bucks on the internet, your hypothetical question doesn't work so well.
The justice system was created with the idea of innocent until proven guilty. The police (gov) need to do their work properly and within the law. If they don't, of course that person should go free. Yes, some criminals go free, but that's the price we pay (paid?) to live in a free society.
"Those above the law do as they please without fear or repercussions."
Exactly. The drug war had a lot to do with buttering up the public to accept these unlawful ways. In every "closing society", people tend to think: it won't happen to me because I don't break the law. Unfortunately, as soon as a group of people are "above the law" (DEA, Blackwater, CIA, etc), all of us are vulnerable to attack.
Yes, he should be released. And here is why: if the evidence was obtained illegally (or, let's say, under torture), then any such illegally obtained evidence can be used against ANYONE whomsoever. This is the foundation of Western law - and once you start allowing exceptions to this, then you can be sure that it will abused by powerful people against their political enemies. And no, it's not an easy decision, but anything less is incompatible within a free society. >
> this is the same type of Jack Bauer /ticking bomb scenario, which does NOT take into account, the UNCERTAINTY involved. One could carry this argument further, by saying, that capability = intent. Translate this into the world of nuclear arms: just because a country possesses nukes, does not mean it intends to use them as a first strike. In fact, the only nation to have EVER used these weapons was the US as a 'preventive' measure, some still argue. The result: 600,000 civilians dead in 2 days.
Great video. Glenn Greenwald is indispensible. It's unfortunate that our corporate media refuses to put him on the air and give him access to a broader audience.
Same as the "preventive indefinite detention" of Obama. I think Bush may have done such a thing, he was certainly evil enough, but he didn't actually go so far to my knowledge.
Ted, Greenwald posted an update to his article, acknowledging, that Bush actually DID go that far. So kudos to Greenwald, because he actually posts facts, which do not always confirm his own research. It's rare sign of intellectual honesty...which, as we all know, will be interpreted as a measure of weakness. Our society is warped...
shut up you stupid old bitch you suck big black cock every night
blahdob 1 year ago
This Presidential Decree a louds the President if he suspects you of being a "terrorist" to throw you in a hole without any due process, which is unconstitutional but because of the "Patriot Act" this can be used on you whenever at any time cuz of these phony ass wars.
elvgero15 1 year ago
In Germany, my homecountry, all politicians are considered filthy liars who noone really likes or even believes. A reaction to the Nazi regime. Complete contradiction.
So watching the US from here, I wonder why so many people "like" any politician, any president, since they're so corrupt by nature (business relations, religious and racial ties...)
hansxxxx666 2 years ago
Please know that I am not intending anything more or less than an honest inquiry, a question void of any malice.
If you view all poltitcians as filthy liars, how does anyone there get ellected?
This is a sincere question.
wildside316 2 years ago
The primary objective and content of the Magna Carta was the prohibition of the use of Summary jurisdiction [the Roman or Admiralty Law] as a means of unauthorized taxation and seizure of property without due process of Law or just compensation. The colonists were, on the whole, very well schooled in the Common Law and were quite aware of the wrongs that King and Parliament were committing against them. This eventually forced them to rebel.
1776isBACK 2 years ago
Thank you Ella....there are so many things going on right now...can hardly keep up :(
missgriffin77 2 years ago
In total agreement, wetalmorker.
Love your Dad's quote, too!
MiranUT 2 years ago
ohrwell-here we go again!
kjack5 2 years ago
snipers can reach one mile away, and the carreer sniper is up to 650 record high, we should just hire him to clean house in congress.
KamikazeKoscki 2 years ago
The elties make money promoting terrorism, as they do for war supplies and loans. Love your country, fear your gov. Taxing the hell out of Americans is another form of terrorizing people, now one is force to get their children vaccinated otherwise they are refused an edcuation. The Tort of Outraged comes to mind.
KamikazeKoscki 2 years ago
Good points. Thanks.
jayraskin 2 years ago
The true definition of "terrorism" comes from past practices such as these. (they love flipping things upside down.)
Like with the Red Terror, the government is "terrorizing" the citizens with obvious corruption, unlawful detention, torture, and slavery. It is a way of silencing dissent. It scares people into remaining silent.
The only terrorists I'm worried about work for the executive branch.
FreedomsReigning 2 years ago
You know I hear so much strange shit every single day, I just sit here with my mouth open and wondering how the hell this is all let go, how are they getting away with this...it leaves me dumbfounded, gobsmacked!
manque15 2 years ago 2
Land of the free, home of the brave; well maybe not. Anyone who is said to be a terrorist or anyone like you or me can be detained without trial, indefinitely. Ella, you are making it on to the Obama administration's enemies list. It almost seems like Barack picked up where George left off. How long until things deteriorate to the point where mass violence breaks out? The USA is dead and buried and we are living through the aftermath. It appears that failing grades are all that's left.
rollsthepaul 2 years ago
The foundation of this country's destruction that the Bush administration layed is only being built upon by Obama. Fascism with a friendly face. So much for 'change we can believe in', aye? When are people going to stop listening to either the republican or democratic side and realize that they are merely 2 heads on the same corrupt, vile monster that wears a friendly mask? How many more chances are we willing to give this same shameful lot of controlled, treasonous sell outs before we wake up?
anongrey 2 years ago
Anongrey, I agree. You need to convince your friends and relatives to vote for alternative parties. The biggest problem is people vote for a dem of rep because they dont want to vote for a loser. But the fringes (dissenters like Greens, Constitutionalists, Libertarians, etc ) also have important ideas to contribute and can influence politics.
A big problem (besides funding) is that these alternative voices have been lost/aren't listened to -- even though many agree with their messages.
MiranUT 2 years ago
Obama may think he is going down in history as someone with credit-like Bush thought , but they are both going down as murderous, self righteous, criminal, rothschilds fascist!
kjack5 2 years ago
Same shit, different asshole?.....Love you Ella, from Québec city!. Peace.
usergently 2 years ago 4
Hes a lawyer ella and he practices deception on a daily basis i just wish those who elected him started asking questions and not waiting another 4 years.
Just goes to show the system is broken though they aint as stupid as the bush administration, all is gloss and rhetoric.
womblefree 2 years ago
This is so upsetting. One young man has spent his entire teenage years imprisoned without trial...and his appointed US attorney says there's no evidence against him...yet he still sits in Gitmo.
fal2grace 2 years ago
As per usual, heartfelt and intelligent. It is important for us to realize what we've become and take action to rectify it. America the Autocracy? We cannot let that stand.
seamoremonster 2 years ago
Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Great vid Ella
erkd1 2 years ago
Change ? yep he speeds up the process to bush's way.
czarwright 2 years ago
After the JFK murder many witnesses and others with information died unexpectedly. Today they would be detained indefinitely. Which is more humane?
carefulcarpenter 2 years ago
Considering what torture does to you physically and mentally, seems like killing people off's more humane. Many of the detainees are being held indefinitely because they're no longer fit to be released into the public. It'd be a huge embarrasment for the USA.
Obviosuly both approaches are wrong. This question is: Should Obama admit the errors and move the USA towards an open society (which he said he'd do), or continue the current path towards a closed society (which is what he's doing)?
MiranUT 2 years ago 3
Mind bending legal position.
BLynchCAN 2 years ago
When the media is removed of its duty of keeping these basterds in check who will stand up for the people? Surely the justice system has been corrupted along with the politicians and media.
The question remains, who stands for the people's interest, a just society, and moral value?
If the media is handcuffed and the courts politicized then it will be up to the people to create a third political party free of corruption. Barring that, revolution will be the only option.
minstral2 2 years ago
I know; This is pretty faaaar out.
It's NOT acceptable!
TheBaByG 2 years ago
great video. Obama could be a really nice person, but seems to have decided to go the way of the big business bankers.
Obama has some sort of twisted law that takes away rights that date back to the 12th century.
Obama the lawyer?
Obama the business fascist lawyer-makes more sense-- he talks about oppression while holding people without trial. Half of the so-called hijackers from 9-11are alive and no al qeada are really on trial!-CIA is al qaeda-'the base'.-9-11 - the operation
kjack5 2 years ago
Yes you cant prevently inprison anyone, and it will make a precedent.... to emprison anyone Z200a that was the most stupid question i have sennn in a while
sadol11 2 years ago
Why was it stupid? Do you doubt that these are the kinds of dilemmas we face after years of Bush/Cheney detention and torture? Do you dismiss out of hand any possibility that we have truly bad people in custody? Do you further dismiss the possibility that the evidence we have against these people is tainted by the criminal practices of the Bush administration, e.g., torture, illegal spying, and even illegal arrest?
Z200a 2 years ago
Unfortunately, Bush and Company were incompetent and made many, many mistakes. That's why they should also be tried in court -- to set a precedent! But you need to save the innocents over the criminals -- to protect YOU from future abuse.
Do you know that the US gov just rounded people up after 9/11?
MiranUT 2 years ago
I do not believe that your question is stupid at all. I do not dismiss your concerns.
I would like to ask you a related question. Do you believe money to be the root of all 'evil'? If not, please present your view.
wuastwais 2 years ago
Z200a: no, it was NOT a stupid question. It took civil society over 500 years to work these questions out. The entire justice system (as broken as it is) will be undermined once illegal detentions or torture are condoned in order to achieve an imagined result. The end does NOT always justify the means, because there is NO ending to the capacity for cruelty within our species.
55ella2007k 2 years ago
thanks for yet another great video. I really love the topics you choose and the way you present them :)
I've always been very cynical about politicians... this just increases my cynicism.
tattooskin72 2 years ago
Ella,
Let me ask you a hypothetical question. Suppose we had in custody someone with advanced bomb making skills, who could train many other people to make bombs that would be used to kill innocent civilians. Suppose we had obtained the evidence illegally, therefore rendering it inadmissible in court, which would make conviction impossible.
Should he be released, even with the near certainty that many (perhaps hundreds or thousands) of human beings would die as a result?
Z200a 2 years ago
Yes
wuastwais 2 years ago
Do you consider this an easy decision?
Z200a 2 years ago
Yes
wuastwais 2 years ago
Z200a, seeing as any one can learn to make a bomb for 10 bucks on the internet, your hypothetical question doesn't work so well.
The justice system was created with the idea of innocent until proven guilty. The police (gov) need to do their work properly and within the law. If they don't, of course that person should go free. Yes, some criminals go free, but that's the price we pay (paid?) to live in a free society.
MiranUT 2 years ago
We don't seem to mind the kind of terrorism that the CIA perpetrates. Those above the law do as they please without fear or repercussions.
What is right and just for one should be right and just for all.
Frequencitee 2 years ago
"Those above the law do as they please without fear or repercussions."
Exactly. The drug war had a lot to do with buttering up the public to accept these unlawful ways. In every "closing society", people tend to think: it won't happen to me because I don't break the law. Unfortunately, as soon as a group of people are "above the law" (DEA, Blackwater, CIA, etc), all of us are vulnerable to attack.
MiranUT 2 years ago 2
Yes, he should be released. And here is why: if the evidence was obtained illegally (or, let's say, under torture), then any such illegally obtained evidence can be used against ANYONE whomsoever. This is the foundation of Western law - and once you start allowing exceptions to this, then you can be sure that it will abused by powerful people against their political enemies. And no, it's not an easy decision, but anything less is incompatible within a free society. >
55ella2007k 2 years ago
> this is the same type of Jack Bauer /ticking bomb scenario, which does NOT take into account, the UNCERTAINTY involved. One could carry this argument further, by saying, that capability = intent. Translate this into the world of nuclear arms: just because a country possesses nukes, does not mean it intends to use them as a first strike. In fact, the only nation to have EVER used these weapons was the US as a 'preventive' measure, some still argue. The result: 600,000 civilians dead in 2 days.
55ella2007k 2 years ago
Ella,
Great video. Glenn Greenwald is indispensible. It's unfortunate that our corporate media refuses to put him on the air and give him access to a broader audience.
Z200a 2 years ago 3
*sigj* make the lambs stop screaming Ella :(
jakluk4 2 years ago
bush was just the worm-up act, 0bummer is the "show"
wcarlpdrysdale 2 years ago
presidential post aquital detention , bring it on
sailfished1 2 years ago
Shit !!
AbiltyToThink 2 years ago
this is a lot of good info ,best wishes
AbiltyToThink 2 years ago
Same as the "preventive indefinite detention" of Obama. I think Bush may have done such a thing, he was certainly evil enough, but he didn't actually go so far to my knowledge.
tenebroust 2 years ago
Ted, Greenwald posted an update to his article, acknowledging, that Bush actually DID go that far. So kudos to Greenwald, because he actually posts facts, which do not always confirm his own research. It's rare sign of intellectual honesty...which, as we all know, will be interpreted as a measure of weakness. Our society is warped...
55ella2007k 2 years ago
no big suprise..... seems things are moving as "they" planned...
thanks for the heads up.
peace, love and light
NibiruMagick2012 2 years ago 2
interesting thoughts. I am glad someone is thinking.
turboredcart 2 years ago