Not true. The Beatles fired their original drummer and Zeppelin got rid of JPJ, too. So, those two bands are no different than KISS. Even Ron Wood isn't an original Rolling Stone. Brian Johnson replaced Bon Scott. Etc. The show was just as good as the days of Peter and ACE. IT ROCKED!! Good tunes are good tunes.
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How can you still be a band without the people that made the band. You may say, "I still see the cosmonaut, and feline man." but even if the new guys try real hard, they will still play differently than the original members. There is a reason KISS isn't "the greatest band in the world" anymore.
Don't say they are...KISS is rarely on the radio, tv, or cereal boxes anymore..if at all.
KISS is a band that doesn't need to be on tv, radio etc. Last year while they were touring in europe i have never seen them on tv. But a lot of concerts were sold out.
KISS sind die besten die es je gibt und geben wird ihre Bühnenshow ist ein Hammer und sie sind noch immer gut drauf besonders die zwei alten GENE u.PAUL die Köpfe der Gruppe.
WHEN! when!? I hope they PRINT whos actually playing on the CD! this time not like with cyco circus, where I thought it was Ace & peter later to find out Different guitarists & drummers were used
I saw the original line up at Western Springs in Auckland, NZ in 1979. Their show was just as outrageous back then from a blood splattered fire breathing Gene Simmons to Ace's guitar catching fire and shooting rockets.
Bullshit! If u want band to survive u have to replace guitarist and drummer! Talking that "Tommy sucks" is pure stupidity. In my opinion Tommy plays very good, and I very like him.
It's funny....I can't help but wonder if the custodial/clean up crews ever curse the hell outta KISS for belching all that confetti from those cannons...LOL!
Im so sick of these assholes whining about Gene being an asshole and that Ace And Peter are awesome...Those people obviously never read Gene Simmons's book, where he explains why Ace left, why Peter had to go, and everything else these wannabe fans whine about. Eric Singer had been working on Paul's solo tour, so it's fair that he joined, and Tommy knew every single Ace lick in the history, so why wouldn't he join lulz?
This video is a true shit Este video es una verdadera mierda Este vídeo é um excrement verdadeiro Этим видеоим будет поистине экскремент Deze video is een waar uitwerpsel Questo video è un escremento allineare Dieser Bildschirm ist eine zutreffende Ausscheidung Cette vidéo est un excrément vrai 이 영상은 진실한 배설물이다 このビデオは本当の排泄物である 这录影是真实的屎
i don't blame tommy thayer and eric singer for taking the gig with kiss, i think anyone would be crzy not too. that said i still don't think they plays anywhere near as good as ace or peter. tommy and eric are just coloring by numbers what ace and peter created.
All about the show Arogant Gene Simmons can suck my family Jewels. I compare this this to Brittany Spears trying to reinvent herself. But this wayyy better to watch. Kiss RULES.............................
YOU WANTED THE BEST...YOU GOT 1/2 THE BEST! (+the tour Manager's had a promotion). I've been lucky enough to see Kiss with both Ace & Tommy,& yes Tommy is technically a better player.But he's still only playing what Ace wrote! What is neglected is Paul's guitar-playing.He seemed to concentrate a lot more when he was playing with Bruce,& just before they put the make-up back on his playing was great (see MTV Unplugged).Now he just throws his arm around & shakes his ass.A lot.
Super Zusammenschnitt. Hab sie Gestern in Luxemburg gesehen. Gut, die Halle war kleiner, aber die Show war einfach geil. KISS weiss einfach wie man eine perfekte Show durchzieht.
Went to the concert yesterday (denmark) Thank you kiss, it was fucking great !
Hope to see you soon again ,,
And by the way, fuck the 'news guys' there only give your show (2 stars) they dont know what the fuck real music and performes is ,, Kiss Denmark Loves you ! <3
If they can't sold out some stadium or arena in the states and here in Europe yes and many of them, they should move in Europe. Welcome KISS and thanks.
actually kiss is touring the states already every year since who knows how long already in all the big stadiums and venue's and now finally EUROPE gets its turn also after many years! WELCOME BACK KISS !!!
yawn- kiss is washed up and has to cherry pick overseas places. they cant even play MSG or Arco arena here in the USA on there big 35th world tour. instead theyre playing casinos. LOL
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Actually, it's pretty amazing that they can still sell out big arenas and stadiums in many markets. This is a band that everyone wrote off as a gimmic that won't last when they started. Now, they've lost two original members, haven't released new material in decades, and look at the crowds. Yeah, they won't sell out in the States. --Neither do many old bands that were once huge. Times change, tastes change. Nothing wrong with playing casinos in between tours to stay "in shape" either.
that was a highlight of my life
samuelja100 1 year ago
super
TheJarin666 1 year ago
I am having KISS withdrawals, I have not seen them since the Rock the Nation tour.
I need my KISS concert high!
KISS Forever!
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carrzkissprojects 1 year ago 2
...and you call this HQ?!?
partsovone 1 year ago
Saw them on the 12th of November in calgary canada. Fucking great show they still got it.
Sdrumer14 1 year ago
BALD SEH ICH SIE LIVE!!!!
ENDLICH^^
Chaserallomac12 1 year ago
@Chaserallomac12 gehst am 22.Mai zum konzert ?
31314daniel 1 year ago
@31314daniel ja klar werde der verrückte kiss fan in schminke sein ;)
Chaserallomac12 1 year ago
@Chaserallomac12 du schminkst dich? werden sie dort in der stadthalle eig auch schminken?
31314daniel 1 year ago
I allready got my ticket for the next show in Vienna.
May 20th 2010
tischi65 2 years ago 13
ich auch ... das wird MEGAAA!! :)
stadil 1 year ago
im about to see them in a couple of hours in anaheim so fucking pumped!!!
grecs 2 years ago
I also saw them in Anaheim last Tuesday! They rocked!!
classique46 2 years ago
i was there GREAT
ianhunterfan08 2 years ago
Awesome! I would like to see them again!!
classique46 2 years ago
3 more days!!!! SAN DIEGO SPORTS ARENA!!!!! AAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!
sexar69 2 years ago
im seeing them december 1st!
swtprincs 2 years ago
Lol me to on the 4th of december
twoo57 2 years ago
there new stage is so awesome!
A7xdrumr 2 years ago 2
i saw them at saint petersburg times forumin tampa fl .
camerons1212 2 years ago
Saw them in Pensacola, FL, will see them in Birmingham Al and Atlanta, GA witha nice bit of AC/DC in Atl too.
But as good as the KISS show is it just is not the same without Ace and Peter. That kind of chemistry cannot be bought -- like the Beatles of Zep.
Anselcat1952 2 years ago
Not true. The Beatles fired their original drummer and Zeppelin got rid of JPJ, too. So, those two bands are no different than KISS. Even Ron Wood isn't an original Rolling Stone. Brian Johnson replaced Bon Scott. Etc. The show was just as good as the days of Peter and ACE. IT ROCKED!! Good tunes are good tunes.
volksrepair 2 years ago
going to see them in oct 17 in greenville sc
undertakerlives4ever 2 years ago
HOLY SHIT!!! saw them tonight man. they were fucking incredible. kiss 4 life <3
sprayboy666 2 years ago
NOTHING wrong with Tommy's guitar playing!!! Ace would be proud!
volksrepair 2 years ago
He plays circles around Ace
mishamichael 2 years ago
man 2:48 it's kinda freaky
fireboy70000 2 years ago
Wooh! October 29 KISS Live in Nashville, Tennesee, and I'm goin'!
CTC3766 2 years ago
they GOT to come back to norway!!!!
i missed theyr last show in norway :'( :'(
bAIRSOFTGUYd 2 years ago
im goin to go and see kiss on November 17 in portland oregon.
Razorboy60 2 years ago
kiss
one of the best
realllifffe 2 years ago 4
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How can you still be a band without the people that made the band. You may say, "I still see the cosmonaut, and feline man." but even if the new guys try real hard, they will still play differently than the original members. There is a reason KISS isn't "the greatest band in the world" anymore.
Don't say they are...KISS is rarely on the radio, tv, or cereal boxes anymore..if at all.
atypicalmystery 2 years ago
KISS is a band that doesn't need to be on tv, radio etc. Last year while they were touring in europe i have never seen them on tv. But a lot of concerts were sold out.
666Infernus666 2 years ago 6
Finland, 2 concerts sold out under 20 minutes.
Triarity 2 years ago 2
its a cool concert if u want fun i was at the 2000 new years eve in vancouver awsome show lol i could have tanned of the kiss letter lights lol :)
lockerdogs 2 years ago
The Rock The Nation tour was A LOT better..Paul's voice was completely shot on this tour
SantaClausExists 2 years ago
ac/dc are better
connor98sg 2 years ago
i'm going to watch them august 6 ! (y) and going to watch Kiss in 3 days ! (y) hahaa .. can't wait
razr2kill 2 years ago
KISS sind die besten die es je gibt und geben wird ihre Bühnenshow ist ein Hammer und sie sind noch immer gut drauf besonders die zwei alten GENE u.PAUL die Köpfe der Gruppe.
Kizuna014 2 years ago
don't bother watching this the sound quality is like a -5 - it's it totally inaudible
ajawofcopan 2 years ago
KISS RULES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
jvflexx 2 years ago 2
nice highlights compilation!
aldarione80 2 years ago
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ace's solo sucked
atypicalmystery 2 years ago
It is not ace, it is Thommy Thayer
smeagolrick 2 years ago 16
thanks for the send
elviradark6 2 years ago
KISS in Lima, Peru 14 april yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh CREATURES OF THE NIGHT PRESENT'S... YEAH
starpaul17 2 years ago
KISS in Lima, Peru 14 april yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
ladyjennicita 2 years ago
Hey guys just enjoy KISS as it is..fun and good music!
naylam2000 2 years ago 7
That is the best comment I have seen in a while!!! People should stop bitching and just enjoy the music! I can't wait for their fan routed U.S. tour.
gagebrwn 2 years ago 7
hope the concert tonight in chile is as good as this one
traidorg 2 years ago
Yes i love the band KISS.
But after ace & Peter left again they should just take the makeup OFF
& do what they did in the 80's
Release! NEW SONGS!!
MetalHeart8787 2 years ago
NEW SONGS.....comin' up !
waystedkiss 2 years ago
waysted - Sorry but that doesnt tell me Shit!
WHEN! when!? I hope they PRINT whos actually playing on the CD! this time not like with cyco circus, where I thought it was Ace & peter later to find out Different guitarists & drummers were used
MetalHeart8787 2 years ago
im going to see kiss live in Brazil april 07 2009!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
uhuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
anguspr 2 years ago 2
im going to see kiss live in canada july 13 2009!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ironmaiden5671 2 years ago
oh shit!!!
its the space man!!! XD
ryanremix90 2 years ago
see you guys in Bogota!!!!!!
jprp27 2 years ago
Why hasnt kiss made tour dates for the U.S. seems like in the past few years its been only foreign
CarterBoyy227 2 years ago
I saw the original line up at Western Springs in Auckland, NZ in 1979. Their show was just as outrageous back then from a blood splattered fire breathing Gene Simmons to Ace's guitar catching fire and shooting rockets.
KISS should Rock on Forever.
redpeter40 2 years ago
you wanted the best u got half of us lol
jimmie302 2 years ago 6
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gfen1021 2 years ago
i'll spoil you tonight
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Justineisaflower14 2 years ago
No Ace no Peter no Kiss
Zebuknightrider 2 years ago 2
absolutly!
kissfreak94 2 years ago
Bullshit! If u want band to survive u have to replace guitarist and drummer! Talking that "Tommy sucks" is pure stupidity. In my opinion Tommy plays very good, and I very like him.
Argenthor2 2 years ago 4
Lol, people just dont like him because he isnt Ace
heavymetallver6606 2 years ago 2
i really respect tommy, but please let the tapping and shit to the grand wizard...ANGUS YOUNG
brulldozer 2 years ago
It's funny....I can't help but wonder if the custodial/clean up crews ever curse the hell outta KISS for belching all that confetti from those cannons...LOL!
setibevol88 2 years ago
AlL ready Have the ticket to see them here in Brazil, in 7 April 09
ElioAlvez 2 years ago
ÖSTERREICH UND PERÚ BESTE LÄNDER DER WELT!!!!! KISS in Lima Perú 14 April!!
ganondorf59 2 years ago 4
Already Have the ticket to see them here in Argentina!!
tomlannes 2 years ago
On April 14th 2009 KISS will rock Lima - Peru.
dollyovex 2 years ago 6
its okay... but kiss was much better at the reunion tour and with the ORIGINAL members!
kissfreak94 2 years ago
I SEE THEM IN JULY!!!!!! WOUAH!!!!
Dtheater1928 2 years ago
KISS can do just fine without ace and peter , they are going to have to !
sixxsabre 3 years ago
no ace no peter no kiss
genegeener 3 years ago
After 26 they're back to Rio de Janeiro...Man...I can't believe it..I'am gonna see the greatest Rock N Roll show on Earth!!!!
vinisith 3 years ago
Still the greatest show on Earth !
6stringgunslinger 3 years ago
kiiss shirt --'
belziinha2008 3 years ago
Remember everyone....KISS IS GOD.
scraigscott 3 years ago 7
without the magic sound of the kiss ace is nothing. Tommy c'entri not fuck with a trick ace, fiddled by iene
mausca61 3 years ago
those are some bad ass seats
GuitarHeroExpert96 3 years ago
are all those speakers actually speakers?
if so that A LOT OF SPEAKERS
scaryjesuskid696 3 years ago
KISS is LOUD!
scraigscott 3 years ago 4
great song
789pequignot 3 years ago
Im so sick of these assholes whining about Gene being an asshole and that Ace And Peter are awesome...Those people obviously never read Gene Simmons's book, where he explains why Ace left, why Peter had to go, and everything else these wannabe fans whine about. Eric Singer had been working on Paul's solo tour, so it's fair that he joined, and Tommy knew every single Ace lick in the history, so why wouldn't he join lulz?
marttorn 3 years ago 2
i hear you man, i read the book. it explains it all
76Destroyer76 3 years ago
You also cant believe everything Gene says in that book read ace's book then comment
TonaRR21 3 years ago
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revivedSpArTaN 3 years ago
kiss will never be KISS without ACE
swami22 3 years ago
nice long hair, high heels, and makeup. bunch of fucking shemales... shemales that ROCK!
kevintwilson 3 years ago 2
Is this the same footage as the german concert as they didn't release the curtain quick enough as well?
fletch00001 3 years ago
gene simmons did not spit blood where i was at
Mrnnniii 3 years ago
KISS FOREVER <3<3<3
Erbschen2 3 years ago 5
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Kiss sucks
207band 3 years ago
Ok this is just too funny XD
Elintasokas 3 years ago
1:10 --> pathetic lol
Elintasokas 3 years ago
GENE IS A TOOL, KISS ROCK
gazwatisme 3 years ago
same show and set list for over a decade now.....cant wait to see what's next.......
bigdaddysmak 3 years ago 3
same show but it is still awesome
Mrnnniii 3 years ago 2
i don't blame tommy thayer and eric singer for taking the gig with kiss, i think anyone would be crzy not too. that said i still don't think they plays anywhere near as good as ace or peter. tommy and eric are just coloring by numbers what ace and peter created.
bufufubu 3 years ago 2
kiss will rock forever
thleyelthy 3 years ago 8
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well is this circus or music....
cyanide533 3 years ago
is show not circus cyanide553
uzzi200215 3 years ago 4
kiss still rocks one of the greatest rock bands ever
rockpop1 3 years ago 6
All about the show Arogant Gene Simmons can suck my family Jewels. I compare this this to Brittany Spears trying to reinvent herself. But this wayyy better to watch. Kiss RULES.............................
dubya12825 3 years ago
DAMMMMMM KISS FUCKKKINGGG ROKKKKKK
GlamRockNR0LL 3 years ago 2
kiss is a joke now. they haven't made a new lp in a decade. the magic is gone.
KCVROCKS2008 3 years ago
thewy don´t wanna loose money now when people can download :P
Asterix733 3 years ago
YOU WANTED THE BEST...YOU GOT 1/2 THE BEST! (+the tour Manager's had a promotion). I've been lucky enough to see Kiss with both Ace & Tommy,& yes Tommy is technically a better player.But he's still only playing what Ace wrote! What is neglected is Paul's guitar-playing.He seemed to concentrate a lot more when he was playing with Bruce,& just before they put the make-up back on his playing was great (see MTV Unplugged).Now he just throws his arm around & shakes his ass.A lot.
barneyfurlong 3 years ago 2
geil wars!!
byte282 3 years ago
The crowd loves it... Someone tell me when they do a US tour...
Obelix5150 3 years ago
I've been there:D
KISS ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
StanleyEisen91 3 years ago
Fucking awesome.
19KISS69 3 years ago
I LOVE KISS but without Ace and Peter it is sad.........
bsouthe 3 years ago
but ace never was that good
digitVR 3 years ago
would not pay to see them.after what i have seen in there 2008 tour
iiiishaneiiii 3 years ago
well your a dumb fuck
jordan08alex22 3 years ago 2
you are an ignorant fool for saying this
iiiishaneiiii 3 years ago 2
its ingorant for saying u wouldnt pay for kiss bitch
jordan08alex22 3 years ago 2
its stupid, but not ignorant
bobby56781 3 years ago
They're at their best musically, and performance wise throughout this tour. MUCH better =]
everyonedoesit2 3 years ago
It's Thayer. Ace didn't tour with them in 2008.
rmurdock2 3 years ago 2
Yo Quiero Ace!!
iiiishaneiiii 3 years ago
kiss is definetly one of the best bands live.
cfran52 3 years ago 8
huge crowd....during the guitar solo,they are going nuts...BUT,,,I bet 99% thinks its Ace Frehley up there. Hmmm.
shakey64 3 years ago
for sure, 99 % knows, that it's Tommy Thayer, believe me, dear friend ;)
bastiluder 3 years ago 4
I think KISS fans are smart enough to understand what members are playing live.
marttorn 3 years ago
who isn't playing? Are you saying their parts are pre-recorded?
dannyg120 3 years ago
That's a lot of people!
electricland 3 years ago
Kann ich nur zustimmen, die Stimmung war meiner Meinung nach fast noch besser als in München.
War richtig geil
Goddamn awesome, they rock like hell
DarkHairedWeirdo 3 years ago
sers ich hab sie in Nürnberg (gestern) gesehen!!! In der Arena war so ne stimmung!! War so geil
actressMaggy 3 years ago
Super Zusammenschnitt. Hab sie Gestern in Luxemburg gesehen. Gut, die Halle war kleiner, aber die Show war einfach geil. KISS weiss einfach wie man eine perfekte Show durchzieht.
LordDukeNukem 3 years ago
increedible^^
Albertoo16 3 years ago
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!
i'm seeing them in milan this tuesday and i wanted them to open with detroit rock city!!
feuerrander 3 years ago
nobody says it,but:EXCELLENT VIDEO MY FRIEND!
piolostanley 3 years ago
exactly the same show all around the world...kiss is the only real rock band in the world.....thanks.
guitardjoe 3 years ago
And they surely had so many women that we all even can't imagine.
jsjazz3d 3 years ago
ive just seen these for the first time at download festival 08!! AWESOME live show
brliam 3 years ago
going to see them at kobetasonik festibal , in the city of Bilbao
ikerbeast666 3 years ago
It doesn't matter who's in the band or how many tickets they sell or how many records they put out. They're fucking KISS. The first, last, and only.
mka800 3 years ago 3
I agree! We Hungarians say: be kell szarni!!! It means something: it is so good that I loose control I have to go to the loo!!!!!!!!
Kiss forever!
sasgeza 3 years ago
3 days for me now
cant wait
really excited!~!!XD:D
SotDeef 3 years ago
this clip is exactly like to danish concert, i saw the danish concert myself, it was totally awsome!
denmark loves kiss ^^
slowwowcheet 3 years ago
*tour
fscbne 3 years ago
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LOL they did this turne just for money.. not the real band... just 2 of them to bad:( but its god anyway:P
fscbne 3 years ago
i`m a kiss fan but I agree with fscbne
FutCaDracu 3 years ago
Went to the concert yesterday (denmark) Thank you kiss, it was fucking great !
Hope to see you soon again ,,
And by the way, fuck the 'news guys' there only give your show (2 stars) they dont know what the fuck real music and performes is ,, Kiss Denmark Loves you ! <3
johnnypotsmoker47 3 years ago 3
You didn't hear Eric Singer singing?
SunshineJeff 3 years ago
If they can't sold out some stadium or arena in the states and here in Europe yes and many of them, they should move in Europe. Welcome KISS and thanks.
lefozz 3 years ago 3
i went to the kiss consert yesterday (norway)
hpboy321 3 years ago 3
Me too, it was awesome!!!:))
43angus43 3 years ago
why didnt you have the dum solo? :P
It was awesome =D
pappegye 3 years ago 2
actually kiss is touring the states already every year since who knows how long already in all the big stadiums and venue's and now finally EUROPE gets its turn also after many years! WELCOME BACK KISS !!!
rico4141 3 years ago
To the people complaining about kiss touring outside the usa, they have been touring the world for years, why should it be different now?
chainsawchucky 3 years ago
yawn- kiss is washed up and has to cherry pick overseas places. they cant even play MSG or Arco arena here in the USA on there big 35th world tour. instead theyre playing casinos. LOL
spiderwar 3 years ago
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Actually, it's pretty amazing that they can still sell out big arenas and stadiums in many markets. This is a band that everyone wrote off as a gimmic that won't last when they started. Now, they've lost two original members, haven't released new material in decades, and look at the crowds. Yeah, they won't sell out in the States. --Neither do many old bands that were once huge. Times change, tastes change. Nothing wrong with playing casinos in between tours to stay "in shape" either.
chaircitydude 3 years ago
DAMN!!! AMAZING!!! THANKS! :D:D
salladshuvudcrew 3 years ago
se carga a algun pollo en algun momento ?
batistafannumberone 3 years ago
sorry wrong
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re paidia eimoun kai egw ekei!!!
alla imouna brosta kai ginotan xamos kai den eblepa piso mou...
posoi mazeftikan peripou?
Erizent666 3 years ago
Best show ever no matter what the press says
internationalluver 3 years ago
great filming and editing!!!
Nice camera too, thanks for posting this.
rnrislife 3 years ago
Tonite in Hellsinki! Damn i've waited this so loooong!
elcaspanjo 3 years ago
Tonight, at helsinki! OH MY FUCKING GOD!
Kyylari2 3 years ago
Yesterday at Helsinki!!!
raikuli1992 3 years ago
.___. es war soooo geil
austriababy 3 years ago
100% copy from Russian concert
dedeniskis 3 years ago
dedeniskis...the bands in a tour performance the same concert in every city....so please mate do not be so pretentious..
greetings from Vienna
themercenary71 3 years ago
and lol vienna was before russia
Wopixi 3 years ago
I am going to see them in Copenhagen with my dad the 3th juni 2008 im so exited ! I hope they give autografes ! XD...
KISS454545 3 years ago
KISS brought out their best on this tour
guitarman2793 3 years ago
i saw the in riga yesterday.. and the band sounded amazing, so did everybodis vocals, best best BEST!
sinitiib 3 years ago
Great vid!!!
Im @ Riga tomorrow!!! KISSSSSS!!!!
flameas 3 years ago 3
28 JUNE BELGIUM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FutCaDracu 3 years ago 2
Stockholm, Oslo, Bergen and Copenhagen :)
JPFRC 3 years ago 3
HELSINKI NEXT WEEK!!omg
H3idih 3 years ago 3
only 9 days and i see them Finland, Helsinki!!!!!!! I can't wait. I'm so exiting!!!! i see kiss, i can't believe it!!
quukko87 3 years ago 3
12 days remaining til im gonna se them in stockholm!!! cant wait!! :DDD
Roedigatto 3 years ago 2
WOW. What a show from Kiss at Vienna. I realy enjoed the gig. Do you maybe have the whole concert filmed?
Best wishes
Marko0507 3 years ago
Well. That kinda sucked, with Pauls flu and all that. =/
12 days left till I'm gonna see 'em in Stockholm !!!! =DDDDDDD
A lot of smileys there btw, lol
Arkfool 3 years ago 2