I also want to add.. That Paul killed many early christians according to the bible and that he was a roamn (Romans were pagans in those times)
Also Paul has more then 45% of the bible writings and jesus(pbuh) about 1% isnt this a bit odd?? Its also the only place were trinity or the worshiping of jesus(pbuh) is mentioned...
It seems to me its more like spreading a pagan-idea in christanity.. but ok
No, it does not say in the Bible, Jesus said I AM GOD - What Jesus did say was - In John 8:58 Jesus said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." Right after this the Jews picked up stones to throw at him. Later, in John 10:30-33 Jesus claimed to be one with the Father and the Jews wanted to stone him again because they said to Jesus, "You, being a man, make yourself out to be God.
@silentbehn180 allah ordered us to be one brotherhood and one comunity and not to let the differences between us devide us as a nation, ofcourse a command we didnt obey in last few centuries.
but allah not only ordered us and left us on our own he also gave us instructions on how to keep that unity, he gave us ways to get rid of racial divisions between ppl, he ordered us to pray in one straight line, shoulder to shoulder, and he also told us to pray in a single direction.
@silentbehn180 the same was told to the jews and the jews also pray in a single direction, towards jerusalem.
that doesnt mean they worship jerusalem, thats simply the direction they face while worshiping.
the sam for us, towards the ka'ba, that doesnt mean that god is ka'ba, ka'ba is a mosque, its a room in which abraham and ishmael prayed. does that mean they were praying inside god? no...thats simply the direction and that is with wisdom, to increase the sense of unity
@blitzel3 no, it is not true, in arabic grammar some words and verbs comes in different places than other languages, even some arabs understands it wrong, for exaple( inna allaha yahdi man yacha' ) this means (man yacha' allah yahdih) translation (who ever wants, god will lead him) it is the same thing when people say god is scared from his scientists men) which in arabic the real meaning is the oposit.
Greetings to RedMissionary & Bonjournuit120. Hi! My name is Ismail. I like to refute your statements but I also like to add, let's call a spade a spade and nothing else. I pray to God for me to do the same if I am unable to answer TRUTHFULLY questions given to me. FIRSTLY, where u get ur info about us Muslims praying to idols?
Muslims openly attack Christianity because their god of war is an idol that remains in the kaaba in which only Muslims bow down to. We as a World do not worship what they worship sura 109 for Muslims worship a god of war and such a god is not the God who created the spirit in all mankind; 2700 years ago, the Lord prophesied, concerning modern times: I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem and they will look on me the one they have crucified
@BonjourNuit120 LMAO. You just accused the Muslims of having a God of war, YET you give a biblical verse in which God says he will destroy all the nations that attack jerusalem? Ok lool. You do realize the Muslim nation has only Grown since the beginning, including now at a pace that surpasses christianity and other faiths. So, ummm when are Muslims getting destroyed? Oh and can you please tell me which verses in the Quran allow muslims to attack anyone without provocation. Thank you
@vmprophet I accuse Islam of being a religion of war, thus from Satan.
God will destroy all the nations that come against Israel for those nations are Evil and they are Islamic. Zecharia 12:1-10
God is not evil as he does not use Muslims to kill for him sura 8:17
It is a battle between God and Satan in which Islam is from Satan for Satan is the Lies people Believe in about God that blind them from experiencing awareness of God's Presence who is with all humankind
@BonjourNuit120 your sentences are rubbish i am turk and live and istanbul- istanbul is the only city which have mosque, church and sinagog at the same street. we know what christians do at spain to nonchrists. also who is best at exploitation and who started 2 world war everyone know. your all sentences are based on prophaganda; learn the truthes
@vmprophet you blocked me coward here is the evidence about that links the hadith to the Quran The 72 houries (QURAN 44:51-55): "Verily! The righteous will be in Paradise. Among Gardens and Springs; Dressed in fine silk and also in thick silk, facing each other, and We shall marry them to Houris with wide, lovely eyes."
Question Sir ,would you marry your 9 year old daughter to a 52 year old man
@Redmissionary I blocked you because you are really really annoying, repeating the same line over and over again. I tell this guy the translations he has are not that good, that the arabic does not say women, or houris, or wide lovely eyes, and he just keeps on resending the same things. Example, you say the Quran says 72 Houries, I told you to show me where you got the 72 part cause that sure doesnt exist in the Quran, and you cant find it, you just keep posting over and over. Get a life.
@vmprophet In Islam, the concept of 72 virgins (houri) refers to an aspect of paradise. In the Sunan al-Tirmidhi by Imam at-Tirmidhi, it states: Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad PBUH saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri,
Sir unblock me i need to ask you about 8 and 9 year old children that muslims can marry acordding to your traditions
@Redmissionary By 9 year old children, if you are referring to Siti Aisha R.A, then you should know that she was married to the prophet at that age, but only lives with him only a few years later.
Try looking for God, the one and ONLY God, who's not associated with his subjects.
You think polygamy is wrong but having 2 girlfriends like Charlie Sheen is okay, and one of them is a porn star!
So now, in Christianity, legal marriages are wrong, but living with women who are strangers are okay?
@blitzel3 if you wanna open your mind to to listen to it god will lead you but if you ignor it and fight it in a hatefull ways then god will not lead you . that what it means my friend .
Great question. It says in the Qur'an that Allah guides those who turn to Him, believe in Him, and work righteousness, and to answer your question (although I know your question is 4 months old), it says in the Quran "...He causes not to stray, except those who forsake (the path)" [2:26]
Therefore, mankind has in fact been given free will and there is no contradiction in the Quran regarding this subject. Hope that helps.
lord translatez aryan, "lord jesus christ" refers to the aryan chrizt maitreya, wherefore "jesus" translates into ancient languages as false/imposter christ ie antichrist, and maitreya will betraya'll, hell with ya'll
The Quran says "Verily, Allâh sends astray whom He wills, and guides whom He wills". (35:8)
Allah give us 2 roads in life & He tells us where they both lead us to. He gives us the tools we need to go on the right path, also gives us tests & opportunities to repent and purify our intentions.
Allah only send astray those who insist on turning away from the truth after they have been shown the way. BUT repentance fixes all so which ever way Allah leads us, it is due to our actions & intentions.
there are many verses where the following is stated:
"Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases" taken from verse 14.4
with reguards to what was being talked about, our missionary was attempting to state that only the god in the quran will misguide the wicked and as we clearly see it is also in the bible.
@naliakbar Hey naliakbar, I have been watching a lot of your deedat videos.
Always Deedat wins the debate. Nevermind that no christian would acknowledge it but any smart man can see it.
Its always their twisted illogical trinitarian arguments and they always mess up on what they actually mean by Son of God. Literal Son, metaphorical, all power with the Son, or with his Father or with the Ghost? Its a mess.
@naliakbar god in the qur an does not lead anyone astary, he guides whom he wills and he LEAVES astray whom he wills, so he doesnt cause anyone to go astray, he leaves you in it. After you have rejected all truth, then you are astray and god leaves you, he doesnt want you to be guided because you rejected guidence before.
Thanks for the clarification, i know this however, in limited space to have a drawn out tafsir it makes the conversation longer for someone who we know is not really going to pay any attention to what is said anyways.
@SheikhBosni no, it is not true, in arabic grammar some words and verbs comes in different places than other languages, even some arabs understands it wrong, for exaple( inna allaha yahdi man yacha' ) this means (man yacha' allah yahdih) translation (who ever wants, god will lead him) it is the same thing when people say god is scared from his scientists men) which in arabic the real meaning is the oposit.
My friend , the Arab christians have a differant concept of the Allah they are calling on , their Allah is God the father, God the son , God the Holy Spirit=Almighty God , your concept of Allah is from a pre islamic root namely ,al ilah (the god)changed now to Allah (God), which is Satan read 2 corinthians chapter 4 verse 4 againand you can see that Satan is called the god of this world , Allah that you worship is the god of this world , he is the one that has blinded you,
@Redmissionary LOOL are you kidding me?? are you going to tell me, the person who studied arabic, knows arabic, that Al ilah is pre-islamic or whatever you called it. Give me a break. Al Ilah is NOT A NAME it is a Description ( THE GOD) Allah is a NAME!! Muslims worship a GOd of this world? Are Muslims the ones that made God a MAN? LIVING in this world? eating drinking? DID muslims do that? and we are the ones worshiping a god of this world? Laughable to the point of being so sad lool
@vmprophet My dear friend , you are stuck on a religeon that is not even from God , proberly why you are a muslim because it appears nice to you , but rather have the truth in your hands that leads to heaven than a lies that will lead you straight down to hell . The god of Islam is nothing more than a terrorist created by muhammud the founder of the Quran
@Redmissionary State your prove That The religion is not from God..Always losers say Stuff that doesn't mAke sence "(17) Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). !! Chap 2 Vs 17 same chap vs 15 "These are they who have bartered guidance for error: but their traffic is profitless, and they have lost true direction. You are in erorr REPENT to the only God who created the heavens and the earth!
@vmprophet IMO everyone has simply misinterpreted Jesus' message. Christians and Muslims.. the Qu'ran has flaws as does parts of the bible. You say 'are we the ones who made God a man?'. Well i ask who is it that believes an entire book that was supposedly written by someone who was told by an angel what to write when every single other prophet was in constant contact with God directly? Yes angels can deliver messages but never once a whole doctrine. No offence; just curious. Salam alaikum
@StreetInsurgent . No offense taken. If you look at the interpretation of Christ's message in the Quran pretty much the same as in the bible, now Im talking about his message, not what Christians say he claimed to be. The only beef Christians have with Islam is 1- The crucifixion and 2- the Divinity of Christ, and that is all, and even those points are argued against by Christian scholars, you dont even need to have a muslim argue against it
@StreetInsurgent As far as there never being a whole doctrine sent, true but then the bible was written by men that never met jesus and somehow that is considered devine? Paul never met Christs yet the main message behind the bible is based on his claims he claimed to have had a vision of christ thus leading him to the inspiration he had. So, Paul's account is acceptable by Christians, but Mohammed's is not? is that not hypocrisy?
@vmprophet in one way, possibly yes. In another way Christians will say that Paul's vision was of Christ himself and the messages Paul had can be backed up by the gospels and the Old Testament. Mohammed saw an angel; the bible says that the Devil can come as an angel of light (light being truth). So it is understandable why they don't accept Mohammed's claims.
In whom (the god) of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them
LOOK HERE SIR , I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING
1) AL-ILAH =( the god) in pre islamic times ,al- ilah became Allah
2)2 CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 4 VERSE 4 =IN WHOM (the God)
You see when you call on Allah , it is calling actually to Satan , Satan is also Allah , (same concept)
amazing you qoute me a verse from your bible telling me that god has blinded me from the truth yet you are asking me to see it... amazing.
and again you can come up with all the theories you want, if your arab christian brothers are say ALLAH in their churches and they are not worshiping pagans, then there is no way you can now say we are doing that, it would be purely hypocracy.
This what Allah has told you that God has no son, of course he has a son , its Allah that is deceiver , his a a great deceptionist , because he is Satan himself ,read 2 corinthians chapter 4 verse 4 sir and you can see who Allah is
My sir ive answer you , God Almighty knows every thought of ours he is creator ,he created everything This question you asking is rediculas , Allah is the one that is the deceiver His name is the god which is actualy Satan 2 corinthians chapter 4 verse 4 lets read this
if god knows everything and cannot be decieved yet your bible tells you that god will decieve the wicked is it then not a gaurantee that god is the best deciever? if not you have to say who is the best deciever if it is not god. and you know for a fact that satan cannot decieve god so the question is are you going to say god is all knowing and your bible lied about him when it says he decieves the wicked? if not then you have to accept that god is the best deciever
The true God does not deceive people ,its people that do not want to receive the truth , they are mislead into unrightiose ways by (the god) of this world namely satan
10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
so unless you are renouncing the christian faith after reading this you are identified as a hypocrite.
God loves and hates. God creates and destroys. God has no son because God creates and destroys everything. God is first and the last. God has no wife, lol.
God guides and God misleads. God creates and God destroys. God loves and God hates. God is not male nor female. God is not father nor mother. God is the source of everything.
why are you brining the entire sheep? it is one thing to put wool infront of people's eyes it is another thing when you are trying to put the entire sheep in their eyes.
you still have not answered a simple question:
IS THERE ANYONE WHO CAN DECEIVE GOD?
can you please answer with a Yes/NO or maybe and a little blurb as to why you think so. so your answer incase you need an example might be:
No, because god is the best deciever or what ever you can come up with.
Is Allah the best deceiver that there is? Well yes, he has deceived Muslims into believing that he is the creator of the world and is peaceful, when in fact he is Satan in disguise.
No Allah has not beaten Satan in his own game, Allah is Satan for Satan can also fool people. There is a possibility that Muhammed was possessed by Satan also.
A lie (also called prevarication) is a type of deception in the form of an untruthful statement, especially with the intention to deceive others,often with the further intention to maintain a secret or reputation, protect someone's feelings or to avoid a punishment. that one has not reasonably ascertained to be true with the intention that it be taken
.Lying is typically used to refer to deceptions in oral or written communication. Sir Allah is the best of deceivers so he is a liar god
If the meaning in Quran is to lie then the translator will use the word lie not deceive. Deceive can also mean to make fool out of somebody. Make sure to quote the Quran within the context.
One who deceives; one who leads into error; a cheat; an impostor. "The deceived and the deceiver are his." Job xii. 16.
Synonyms -- Deceiver, Impostor. A deceiver operates by stealth and in private upon individuals; an impostor practices his arts on the community at large. The one succeeds by artful falsehoods, the other by bold assumption. The faithless friend and the fickle lover are deceivers; the false prophet and the pretended Allah is satan.
i have read the previous discussion between you and bro naliakbar. if you quote Quran 3:54 then i can find you different word for it. it says:
And they (people) devised and God devised; and God is the best of devisers.
we can use the word devise and still it explains the meaning but don't stick to the translation. just stick to the original Quran and to the context of the surah.
Sir When the Bible does speak of God hating, the object of Gods hatred is usually sin and wickedness. Among the things God hates are idolatry (Deuteronomy 12:31, 16:22) and those who do evil (Psalm 5:4-6, 11:5). Proverbs 6:16-19 outlines seven things the Lord hates: pride, lying, murder, evil plots, those who love evil, false witness, and troublemakers. Notice that this passage does not include just things that God hates; it includes people as well.
Almighty God is truth , and we are his creation ,we are not God so your question is silly sir, But when we find in a god that is a deceiver like Allah is ,than he aint Almighty God because this god Allah is a deceiver and a liar ,this showing you that he will even tell lies about everything else in the Quran , cant trust this god of yours because he will tell you lies and deception وَمَكَرُواْ وَمَكَرَ اللّهُ وَاللّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ
God sent prophets to spread the truth. The prophets guide and remind people on earth and God also creates satan and iblis to spread the falseness. Satan and iblis deceive people on earth. God is beyond true and false. God is the source of all creations. God creates everything.
you translate it as you like, like i said i dont take any exception to it because for sure there is NONE that can decieve god, but he can decieve anyone he so chooses. your bible says so, and my quran says so.
the issue you take is because the quran is plain in this matter and you want some straws to grab at but it does not give a negative meaning, because the verse is clear that allah is the best deciever to decieve the decievers (again using your translation)
O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance.
At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.
Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats."
@Redmissionary You need to Understand the verse not just translate it
From my personal thinking deceiving doesn't always have to be negative sometimes its positive just like this verse. they deceived (us) so we played it back by Deceiving them too , imagine your friend is deceiving you and you don't want to confront him for a certain period that makes you deceiving him too, does that makes you the bad one?
If Allah is the best of all deceivers, then the logical conclusion is that you would never know when you're being deceived. What horrible uncertainty to live under when your trying to please a fickle god. Thank goodness I'm not a Muslim. Deceiving is lying. Lying is an attribute of Satan: so, by his own admission, Allah is Satan.
Dear sir , can you trust a god that is a deceiver , answer is no you cant because you wont know weather your god is lying to you or not , thats because he is a liar god and a deceiver god, I told you to get out of that pagan religeon as fast as you can and search with your heart for the true God that you can put your trust in
i can trust that no one can decieve god, yet god can easily deceive anyone if he so willed. and from that standpoint i know that god would have to be the best of decievers becuase he has what others dont have, that is knowledge of all things, including the thoughts of the decievers, so it is easy for god to allow the decievers to be decieved. and in short god is the best "deciever" i still say that should be Planner but we are using your translation.
Sir we are still chatting about a lying god and deceiver, This is Allah , he will deceive you into going to hell sir because he is a liar cant trust him
well answer the question, is there anyone who can decieve god? why dont you answer the question, you cant make an accusation and refuse to have a discussion and then call it a discussion.
Is Allah the best deceiver that there is? Well yes, he has deceived Muslims into believing that he is the creator of the world and is peaceful, when in fact he is Satan in disguise.
No Allah has not beaten Satan in his own game, Allah is Satan for Satan can also fool people. There is a possibility that Muhammed was possessed by Satan also.
if you say god is truth and satan is false or god is good then satan is bad then god is equal to satan. good and bad is created by God. God creates and destroys. God can do anything. God nurtures and kills. God can guide you or deceive you. God beyond good and bad. God beyond our understanding. your logic is so shallow.
Dear Sir Almighty God is love(John chapter 3 verse 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
Really? There are so many suffering in this world. If God is only love then there should be no suffering at all. God is beyond love and hate. God creates love and hate. God also destroys and kills. God has no son because God is not a creation. Gos is the creator of everything.
ok like i said using your translation it is clear that god will decieve the decievers based on your translation.
what you fail to realize is that arabic is not english and one word has multiple meaning but that doenst matter because even with your own translation it is clear god would allow the wicked to be mislead in thier own deception.
but back to my question IS THERE ANYONE WHO CAN DECIEVE GOD?
again using your rediculous translation allah clearly says in the quran it is those that intend to decieve that he would decieve. he never said he would decieve all. so again from the rediclious translation you come up with it does not proove that allah decieves the innocnet it does proove that allah will decieve the deceptive which your bible concurs with so again what is the issue besides hypocracy?
It literally means: and they deceived, and Allah deceived, and Allah is the best deceiver.
This is translation of the verse, and I can assure the reader that this translation is very accurate. In fact, if you know someone who knows Arabic, ask him/her if this translation is accurate or not.
but here is a simple question, is there anyone who can decieve god? if not using your translation god would have to be the best deciever, because on your own admision the god of the bible decieves therefore unless there is someone that can do decieving better than god he would have to be the best of this action would he not?
so my question is are you going to belittle god and say that god can be decieved or are you now going to say that your god is the best deciever, take your pick
it seems appropriate to give Allah the attribute that He deserves. True, scholars of ages missed that attribute, but the Quranic verse is there, and It seems to me academically honest to give Allah His rightful attribute. He is The Best Deceiver.
The arab christians call God , Allah this is a arabic word for God , but their theology of allah is God the father , God the son and God the Holy Spirit=God Almighty
The Muslims god Allah originated from al_ilah meaning( the god) which is not Almighty god , the arab christians concept of God is differant to your idea of God , we know from pre islamic times that this god al_ilah was a idol and muhammud just changed the word to Allah but the roots of this al_ilah you need to go back in time
do you not see how corrupted your thoughts are, you claim that Allah is ok for the arab christian because of his theology, yet because islam was started amongst pagans that islam cannot use it's theology when it is tlaking about Allah.
please open the quran and show me where Allah in muslim theology is the Allah of pagans since that is your claim.
2 thessalonians 10)and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11)For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. TAKE NOTE , BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO LOVE THE TRUTH , for this REASON God has sent them strong delusion, Allah send anyone to hell not same God
YUSUFALI: And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.
in that translation you translate the word plot and plan to decieve, but none the less it is clearly that god will decieve the wicked. yet you bring it up as an arguement can you be consistient? if it is an issue that you also reject your book or you accept god allows the wicked to be decieved.
The Muslim pagan god is al_ilah from pre islamic times , they have incorperated all the pagan rites from this baal worship mainly going facing thew black stone , and kissing and verating it, circling the kaaba 7 times throwing stones at the devil , the devil is the very one that has deceived you read 2 corinthians chapter 4 verse 4 it will explain to you who you are worshipping dear brothers in the muslim faith, Receive Jesus Christ and be saved dear sirs , dont FALL PRAY TO THIS DECEIVER aLLAH
as for the hajj rituals it is based around the abraham story and we can go into that if you like but you dont seem to care bout that because you are laying accusations and no meat to what you say.
and again are you giong to give up yoru bible because god is also called a deciever in yoru bilbe (2 thes 2:11)?
and are you going to answer my video? no rush but i would like to know if you are going to respond to it?
The arab christians are refering to God the father, God the Son, and God the Holy spirit =Almighty God , they call him Allah , but your Allah was originally al-ilah and later on muhammud changed this to Allah to make it more official and acepted Allah comes from The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a reference meaning "the god". pagan Arab tribe would refer to tribal pagan god as
so baiscally you are saying that Allah in the chritian mouth is not the same as Allah in the muslim mouth even though it is the very same word. yet when the muslim says the exact same thing that Allah in the muslim mouth is not the same as Allah in the pagan mouth you cant accept that explaination why?
Whos humilating who , these guys here areinto baal wqorship and they want to challenge the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ,The truine God of the universe God the son God the Holy Spirit and God the father =ALmighty God ,Allah and all his baal worshippers will allways try their luck with the true God, even tried the luck with Elijah , could not bring fire from heaven , because satan(Allah let them down, so Elijah got them killed , But here Jesus is giving them a chance to escape hell
My brother , you misunderstand , the Allah you are worshipping is differant to the Christian Arabs, The Christian arabs worship the Father , the son ,and the Holy Spirit , you are worshiping a Allah that is not the same God , your Allah comes from The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". pagan Arab tribe would refer to tribal pagan god as
how can that be when the christian arab refers to god as Allah?
i agree with you Allah means THE GOD. and as a muslim when i say Allah i refer to the being that meets the 99 attributes in the quran. and the moon god is not one of them.
however using your logic when a christian arab uses Allah what god is he refering to? basically in your logic they are refering to the pagan moon god.
Whos humilating who , these guys here areinto baal wqorship and they want to challenge the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ,The truine God of the universe God the son God the Holy Spirit and God the father =ALmighty God ,Allah and all his baal worshippers will allways try their luck with the true God, even tried the luck with Elijah , could not bring fire from heaven , because satan(Allah let them down, so Elijah got them killed , But here Jesus is giving them a chance to escape hell
what is amazing is that all of your christian arab brothers and sisters call god Allah even within the arabic bible god is called allah, so basically you are claiming that your arab christian brothers are also going to hell for baal worship? do you see the flaw in your logic?
Whos humilating who , these guys here areinto baal wqorship and they want to challenge the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ,The truine God of the universe God the son God the Holy Spirit and God the father =ALmighty God ,Allah and all his baal worshippers will allways try their luck with the true God, even tried the luck with Elijah , could not bring fire from heaven , because satan(Allah let them down, so Elijah got them killed , But here Jesus is giving them a chance to escape hell
are u god to say whose in hell and whose not...why not ur god was a person ..u maybe even god..why dont u go to others and tell them to worship u or that ur even god...that even jesus in ur bible that u post it's from god never said those words...poor u
I can tell he is hell because he denied that Jesus Christ is the son of God and Jesus Christ Died on the cross for him ,Deedat is totally antichrist and worshipped a false god by the name of Allah , and millions like you wil spend eternity in hell , if you do and put your trust in Jesus Christ get out of that satanic , religeon . Dont argue the facts are clear from history Allah is Satan in disguise , he is the best of deceivers , fooled a billion of you muslims
and well not to jump into the conversation here, but you talk aobut Allah being the best of decievers, i ask
if we read your bible 2 thes 2:11 we find that god decieves wicked people just like the quran states, so now are you going to burn your bible because god of your bible is also a deciever? Or are you going to run away from that conversation, and be a hypoctite? or simply admit that you didnt realize that god of your bible was also a deciever.
Hehehehe He Humiliated you that's why you're angry at him i understand your feelings as the proverb says : shit happens ! you're in deep shit right now brother ^^
@ this point nothing I say is going to convince you. So I will give you this advice, look into the Incorruptibles and Eucharistic miracle.
I will also leave u with these verses
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5 But he was wounded for our iniquities, he was bruised for our sins: the chastisement of our peace was upon him, and by his bruises we are healed. John3
16 For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting.
Lol. So you are calling it off. OK, as you wish. In response to the verses you left I would like to quote Ezekiel 18:20-21
'The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.'
'But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is
is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
And MY advice to you would be to read your own bible, WHOLE of it, each and every verse, not just a few to prove your case, with the same critical eye as you read the Quran because that is the only way you can answer the objections raised on the book. Expand your knowledge, expand your horizon, question your faith and be logical and truthful because a blind belief is no belief. Anyone can have a blind belief in ones religion.
Secondly, one thing about the Quran, please always refer to the words that are there in the original Arabic text to save your self from misquoting. Because as you kept on saying sperm doesnt come from chest while the word chest was not in the text rather it was between backbone and ribs and I showed you that the area between backbone and ribs extends below the diaphragm too. Thirdly before you make any allegation please confirm it first and theres difference between historical records and
Quranic text. Historical records can differ considerably but not the Quran. These errors in the bible that I was talking about in the last, I took those from a debate between Dr. Zakir Naik and Dr. William Campbell on Quran and Bible in the light of science Its there on youtube, whole of it. I would like you to see that debate. Youll learn a lot from it both about bible and Quran.
Lastly, you were the first Christian with whom I had such a point to point debate which I enjoyed in its
whole course. I again apologize for any inconvenience that I may have caused or if I hurt your feelings anywhere. It wasn't intentional. You see Im just 22 and very new to this comparative religion studies so I might have made mistakes. We are friends now :-)
May God guide us all to the right path. Assalam-u-alaikum (May peace be on you)
Our Lord Christ said we can judge a tree by its fruits. Koran says kill people, Scripture says to love everyone, even those who hate us. Moslesm have the same doctrine as pagans kill kill kill. And sex sex sex.
Funny that u talk about bishops having sex w. kids when mohammad had sex with a little girl....she still played with toys.
And we see the result of this 'love'. Christians are perverts. Muslims are not. Atleast we have laws to control it. You don't have anything except 'love' which not only failed to control perversion but increased it in Christian society.
Oh and by the way punishment of adultery in bible is death (Leviticus 20:10) And if a women doesn't cover her head, her head should be shaven (Corinthians 11:6) Islam doesn't ask to shave the head of those who do not cover their heads.
And this allegation about Muhammad is a total LIE. You just heard it and you think you've got a strong point and you are producing it everywhere whithout research/evidence. As Thomas Carlyle said, 'The lies, which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man, are
disgraceful to ourselves only' You are disgracing yourself, not Muhammad. On the contrary I can produce evidence about gay and pedophile bishops here.
40:67 It is He Who has created you from dust then from a sperm-drop, then from a leech-like clot; then does he get you out (into the light) as a child: then lets you (grow and) reach your age of full strength; then lets you become old,- though of you there are some who die before;- and lets you reach a Term appointed; in order that ye may learn wisdom.
The word used in Arabic is 'Alaqa' which has three meanings 1. Something which clings (zygote gets attached to the uterus on the 5th day of fertilisation) 2. A leech like substance (human embryo looks like an embryo in initial stages: geocities . com / Athens / Aegean/6377/Leech . jpg It also behaves like a leech i.e. gets blood from mother) 3. Clot (Blood starts circulating in embryo on 3rd week. Before that it is static in the embryo's vessels, static blood clots.) All three meanings fit.
OK, you want to insist on the third meaning. 'A clot is a clot not a circulation system'. Clot is present inside the circulation system and in this case whole blood is clotted. You might want to read Keith L. Moore's (an embryologist and a CHRISTIAN) views on Embryology and Quran. (youtube . com/ watch?v=Tx434UE3SYw) He has also stated Quranic references in the beginning of his book on embryo which we studied as a text book in bachelors of medicine and surgery here in Pakistan.
the 1st few days the merged ovum and sperm R free floating in the tube b/t the ovary and the uterus. During this migration towards the uterus which is quite a substantial and important time of its development as it is the time of its highest relative growth, it is a "non-clinging" state before it will finally come to rest at some spot of the uterine wall and become a "clinging thing".
So now the first meaning. Zygote implants in the body of uterus on 5th day of fertilisation and remains attached to it for the next 275 days. During the first five days cells divide so that zygote becomes a ball of cells called morula. A cavity appears in morula called blastocyst and then it embeds in the uterus. At this stage its nowhere close to look like a human being. Then it grows further, organs are formed, acquires a human shape and keeps on growing until born. Whats your point?
'Alaqa' means a leech like thing, NOT a leech and I showed you the diagram where the human embryo looks like a leech. I told you the stage where all blood is clotted in the embryo. Not only the blood is actually clotted, the embryo looks like a clot in the initial stages. Sometimes some few weeks pregnant women complaint of passing a CLOT and become worried if it was the embryo and seek the doc. Doc looks up in the uterus and sometimes it turns out to be a case of spontaneous abortion.
And I told you that a person is alive before they are that "leech"(which again they never are a leech. Spin it anyway you want. But you can't get around the fact that a baby is alove at the moment of conception, that would be before they attach to the mother.
There are two separate words for leech and leech like thing in Arabic and 'Alaqa' means a leech like thing. This is no SPINNING, this is plain Arabic. So, Quran is a miracle.
lol, the koran said that b/c they desected dead animals like every other culture and saw what looked like a leech. It is not a leech, nor does the text say the word "looked"
and it is not a miracle b/c science proves that life begins at conception.
The human embryo, where it looks like a leech, is only of a few millimeters so even if you dissect it out you can't tell it. And theres not record that the Arabs used to dissect uteri of pregnant animals and study their fetuses. I know you made it up.
And Quran does not say that life does not begin at conception.
The point where life begins in the embryo has been a topic of great debate because it is related to abortion. The heat starts beating around 3rd to 4th week and the embryo looks a little human. So some say that THIS is the point of beginning of life and abortions can be carried out before that. Some reason that embryo is ALIVE from the zygote stage even if it is in two cell stage. Im not sure at what stage it should be called ALIVE. Anyways whats your point of saying that?
I can provide here evidence that it IS a topic of debate. Definition of life itself varies. One of the controversial specie is the virus. You just want to try to refute everything I say. Anyways that's not important. What do you want prove by saying that life begins at the moment of conception? I hope you study the scientific 'facts' in bible with same critical eye which I'm going to state here very soon.
THe sperm doesn't come from the chest. Fluid does. Fluid transports that is all. I came from my house BY CAR, that doesn't mean I came form a car. It means I came BY car
ANd I don't care what you said, we are never a leech.
I also want to add.. That Paul killed many early christians according to the bible and that he was a roamn (Romans were pagans in those times)
Also Paul has more then 45% of the bible writings and jesus(pbuh) about 1% isnt this a bit odd?? Its also the only place were trinity or the worshiping of jesus(pbuh) is mentioned...
It seems to me its more like spreading a pagan-idea in christanity.. but ok
Lizzio1980 2 months ago 2
Deedat is very convincing . You can not hide the the sun of the truth.
r0rozx 3 months ago
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No, it does not say in the Bible, Jesus said I AM GOD - What Jesus did say was - In John 8:58 Jesus said, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." Right after this the Jews picked up stones to throw at him. Later, in John 10:30-33 Jesus claimed to be one with the Father and the Jews wanted to stone him again because they said to Jesus, "You, being a man, make yourself out to be God.
ROBSTA69able 7 months ago
numpang lewat aja ahhh.. ^_^
nurdinhas 11 months ago
The difference is you are forced to bow down in that specific direction towards that specific spot...
silentbehn180 1 year ago
@silentbehn180 allah ordered us to be one brotherhood and one comunity and not to let the differences between us devide us as a nation, ofcourse a command we didnt obey in last few centuries.
but allah not only ordered us and left us on our own he also gave us instructions on how to keep that unity, he gave us ways to get rid of racial divisions between ppl, he ordered us to pray in one straight line, shoulder to shoulder, and he also told us to pray in a single direction.
khalilrabee 10 months ago
@silentbehn180 the same was told to the jews and the jews also pray in a single direction, towards jerusalem.
that doesnt mean they worship jerusalem, thats simply the direction they face while worshiping.
the sam for us, towards the ka'ba, that doesnt mean that god is ka'ba, ka'ba is a mosque, its a room in which abraham and ishmael prayed. does that mean they were praying inside god? no...thats simply the direction and that is with wisdom, to increase the sense of unity
khalilrabee 10 months ago
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@blitzel3 no, it is not true, in arabic grammar some words and verbs comes in different places than other languages, even some arabs understands it wrong, for exaple( inna allaha yahdi man yacha' ) this means (man yacha' allah yahdih) translation (who ever wants, god will lead him) it is the same thing when people say god is scared from his scientists men) which in arabic the real meaning is the oposit.
darklightraven 1 year ago
ismael i will refute you publicly or privately you choose?
elmdub 1 year ago
Greetings to RedMissionary & Bonjournuit120. Hi! My name is Ismail. I like to refute your statements but I also like to add, let's call a spade a spade and nothing else. I pray to God for me to do the same if I am unable to answer TRUTHFULLY questions given to me. FIRSTLY, where u get ur info about us Muslims praying to idols?
ishzmael 1 year ago
@ishzmael they think that we pray to the kaaba (-.-)
they dont understand thar the bowing is for god
scence we bow in the direction of the kaaba pius they dont know what the kaaba is for muslems
so if u please explain what is the kaaba for us and what it represent for muslems
and why we bow for it
cuz honestly im tired of explaining it on and on in every vid i watch :)
TheMrco0ol 1 year ago
Muslims openly attack Christianity because their god of war is an idol that remains in the kaaba in which only Muslims bow down to. We as a World do not worship what they worship sura 109 for Muslims worship a god of war and such a god is not the God who created the spirit in all mankind; 2700 years ago, the Lord prophesied, concerning modern times: I will set out to destroy all the nations that attack Jerusalem and they will look on me the one they have crucified
(Zechariah 12:1-10)
BonjourNuit120 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit120 LMAO. You just accused the Muslims of having a God of war, YET you give a biblical verse in which God says he will destroy all the nations that attack jerusalem? Ok lool. You do realize the Muslim nation has only Grown since the beginning, including now at a pace that surpasses christianity and other faiths. So, ummm when are Muslims getting destroyed? Oh and can you please tell me which verses in the Quran allow muslims to attack anyone without provocation. Thank you
vmprophet 1 year ago
@vmprophet I accuse Islam of being a religion of war, thus from Satan.
God will destroy all the nations that come against Israel for those nations are Evil and they are Islamic. Zecharia 12:1-10
God is not evil as he does not use Muslims to kill for him sura 8:17
It is a battle between God and Satan in which Islam is from Satan for Satan is the Lies people Believe in about God that blind them from experiencing awareness of God's Presence who is with all humankind
BonjourNuit120 1 year ago
@vmprophet Recently Sudan slaughtered 2 million Black Sudanese in which 1 Million were Christians.
All of Northern Africa including Egypt, all of the Middle East even Turkey were Christian nations forced to convert to Islam
Since Islam began,Muslims killed 270 million People and Christianity still remains the world's Largest Religion on earth!
Islam only spreads by deception as no one would join Islam,a religion of oppression that kills you should you leave
BonjourNuit120 1 year ago
@BonjourNuit120 your sentences are rubbish i am turk and live and istanbul- istanbul is the only city which have mosque, church and sinagog at the same street. we know what christians do at spain to nonchrists. also who is best at exploitation and who started 2 world war everyone know. your all sentences are based on prophaganda; learn the truthes
ibuyukuran 1 year ago
@vmprophet How distorted is your thinking. You pretended to ask me to show you a verse in the Quran that allows Muslims to attack without provocation
when the Quran is full of contradictions
sura 2: 285 Give Us victory over infidel nations
sura 9:123 wage war against the infidels as are your neighbors
sura 9:29 wage war with those whom the scriptures have been given
Sura 5:33 should be those who resist Islamic domination are to be slain or crucified or have alternate hands, feet cut off
BonjourNuit120 1 year ago
@vmprophet you blocked me coward here is the evidence about that links the hadith to the Quran The 72 houries (QURAN 44:51-55): "Verily! The righteous will be in Paradise. Among Gardens and Springs; Dressed in fine silk and also in thick silk, facing each other, and We shall marry them to Houris with wide, lovely eyes."
Question Sir ,would you marry your 9 year old daughter to a 52 year old man
Redmissionary 1 year ago
@Redmissionary I blocked you because you are really really annoying, repeating the same line over and over again. I tell this guy the translations he has are not that good, that the arabic does not say women, or houris, or wide lovely eyes, and he just keeps on resending the same things. Example, you say the Quran says 72 Houries, I told you to show me where you got the 72 part cause that sure doesnt exist in the Quran, and you cant find it, you just keep posting over and over. Get a life.
vmprophet 1 year ago 16
@vmprophet In Islam, the concept of 72 virgins (houri) refers to an aspect of paradise. In the Sunan al-Tirmidhi by Imam at-Tirmidhi, it states: Abu Sa'id al-Khudhri, who heard the Prophet Muhammad PBUH saying, 'The smallest reward for the people of Heaven is an abode where there are eighty thousand servants and seventy-two houri,
Sir unblock me i need to ask you about 8 and 9 year old children that muslims can marry acordding to your traditions
Redmissionary 1 year ago
@Redmissionary By 9 year old children, if you are referring to Siti Aisha R.A, then you should know that she was married to the prophet at that age, but only lives with him only a few years later.
Try looking for God, the one and ONLY God, who's not associated with his subjects.
You think polygamy is wrong but having 2 girlfriends like Charlie Sheen is okay, and one of them is a porn star!
So now, in Christianity, legal marriages are wrong, but living with women who are strangers are okay?
GTIsea 11 months ago
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TheABCKBC 1 year ago
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@Redmissionary go 2 youtube.com/watch?v=0SfUKGp4iMg
TheABCKBC 1 year ago
@blitzel3 ,,,Actually the Quran says whatever you want it to say at that moment of whatever lust you are giving place to.
GodsSeer 1 year ago
Mashallah!
PnoyzPride 1 year ago
@blitzel3 if you wanna open your mind to to listen to it god will lead you but if you ignor it and fight it in a hatefull ways then god will not lead you . that what it means my friend .
oda1332 1 year ago
wow , im amazed and shattered by the recitation of the Quran. its so beautify
jihadulnafs 1 year ago
@blitzel3
Great question. It says in the Qur'an that Allah guides those who turn to Him, believe in Him, and work righteousness, and to answer your question (although I know your question is 4 months old), it says in the Quran "...He causes not to stray, except those who forsake (the path)" [2:26]
Therefore, mankind has in fact been given free will and there is no contradiction in the Quran regarding this subject. Hope that helps.
Peace.
boredguy299 1 year ago
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@boredguy299 & amagee590 & MoeRocco75
Spooning, swooning, in the moonlight
Moe, Bored & Andy made such a sight
Pretty, witty & decidedly gay
Dancing, prancing, acting quite fey
Moe said to Bored
And Bored said to Andy
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muIhollanddose 1 year ago
yo eyreenet
lord translatez aryan, "lord jesus christ" refers to the aryan chrizt maitreya, wherefore "jesus" translates into ancient languages as false/imposter christ ie antichrist, and maitreya will betraya'll, hell with ya'll
9eazemaker 2 years ago
The Quran says "Verily, Allâh sends astray whom He wills, and guides whom He wills". (35:8)
Allah give us 2 roads in life & He tells us where they both lead us to. He gives us the tools we need to go on the right path, also gives us tests & opportunities to repent and purify our intentions.
Allah only send astray those who insist on turning away from the truth after they have been shown the way. BUT repentance fixes all so which ever way Allah leads us, it is due to our actions & intentions.
sisterjacklin 2 years ago
there are many verses where the following is stated:
"Now Allah leaves straying those whom He pleases and guides whom He pleases" taken from verse 14.4
with reguards to what was being talked about, our missionary was attempting to state that only the god in the quran will misguide the wicked and as we clearly see it is also in the bible.
naliakbar 2 years ago
@naliakbar Hey naliakbar, I have been watching a lot of your deedat videos.
Always Deedat wins the debate. Nevermind that no christian would acknowledge it but any smart man can see it.
Its always their twisted illogical trinitarian arguments and they always mess up on what they actually mean by Son of God. Literal Son, metaphorical, all power with the Son, or with his Father or with the Ghost? Its a mess.
PlancksTime 1 year ago
@naliakbar god in the qur an does not lead anyone astary, he guides whom he wills and he LEAVES astray whom he wills, so he doesnt cause anyone to go astray, he leaves you in it. After you have rejected all truth, then you are astray and god leaves you, he doesnt want you to be guided because you rejected guidence before.
SheikhBosni 1 year ago
@SheikhBosni Salaam,
Thanks for the clarification, i know this however, in limited space to have a drawn out tafsir it makes the conversation longer for someone who we know is not really going to pay any attention to what is said anyways.
salaam
Ali
naliakbar 1 year ago
@SheikhBosni no, it is not true, in arabic grammar some words and verbs comes in different places than other languages, even some arabs understands it wrong, for exaple( inna allaha yahdi man yacha' ) this means (man yacha' allah yahdih) translation (who ever wants, god will lead him) it is the same thing when people say god is scared from his scientists men) which in arabic the real meaning is the oposit.
darklightraven 1 year ago
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plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz plz dear christians answer this question
u think jesus is the son of god
why would aaaaaanyone let his own son crucified and suffer without doing anything
zouitat 2 years ago
My friend , the Arab christians have a differant concept of the Allah they are calling on , their Allah is God the father, God the son , God the Holy Spirit=Almighty God , your concept of Allah is from a pre islamic root namely ,al ilah (the god)changed now to Allah (God), which is Satan read 2 corinthians chapter 4 verse 4 againand you can see that Satan is called the god of this world , Allah that you worship is the god of this world , he is the one that has blinded you,
Redmissionary 2 years ago
Read Genesis 1:1
sumawiganda 2 years ago
@Redmissionary LOOL are you kidding me?? are you going to tell me, the person who studied arabic, knows arabic, that Al ilah is pre-islamic or whatever you called it. Give me a break. Al Ilah is NOT A NAME it is a Description ( THE GOD) Allah is a NAME!! Muslims worship a GOd of this world? Are Muslims the ones that made God a MAN? LIVING in this world? eating drinking? DID muslims do that? and we are the ones worshiping a god of this world? Laughable to the point of being so sad lool
vmprophet 1 year ago 7
@vmprophet My dear friend , you are stuck on a religeon that is not even from God , proberly why you are a muslim because it appears nice to you , but rather have the truth in your hands that leads to heaven than a lies that will lead you straight down to hell . The god of Islam is nothing more than a terrorist created by muhammud the founder of the Quran
Redmissionary 1 year ago
@Redmissionary State your prove That The religion is not from God..Always losers say Stuff that doesn't mAke sence "(17) Deaf, dumb, and blind, they will not return (to the path). !! Chap 2 Vs 17 same chap vs 15 "These are they who have bartered guidance for error: but their traffic is profitless, and they have lost true direction. You are in erorr REPENT to the only God who created the heavens and the earth!
buroali 5 months ago
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@vmprophet There is no God, but Allah and his messenger. ;]
OacidburnO 11 months ago
@vmprophet IMO everyone has simply misinterpreted Jesus' message. Christians and Muslims.. the Qu'ran has flaws as does parts of the bible. You say 'are we the ones who made God a man?'. Well i ask who is it that believes an entire book that was supposedly written by someone who was told by an angel what to write when every single other prophet was in constant contact with God directly? Yes angels can deliver messages but never once a whole doctrine. No offence; just curious. Salam alaikum
StreetInsurgent 4 months ago
@StreetInsurgent . No offense taken. If you look at the interpretation of Christ's message in the Quran pretty much the same as in the bible, now Im talking about his message, not what Christians say he claimed to be. The only beef Christians have with Islam is 1- The crucifixion and 2- the Divinity of Christ, and that is all, and even those points are argued against by Christian scholars, you dont even need to have a muslim argue against it
vmprophet 4 months ago
@StreetInsurgent As far as there never being a whole doctrine sent, true but then the bible was written by men that never met jesus and somehow that is considered devine? Paul never met Christs yet the main message behind the bible is based on his claims he claimed to have had a vision of christ thus leading him to the inspiration he had. So, Paul's account is acceptable by Christians, but Mohammed's is not? is that not hypocrisy?
vmprophet 4 months ago
@vmprophet in one way, possibly yes. In another way Christians will say that Paul's vision was of Christ himself and the messages Paul had can be backed up by the gospels and the Old Testament. Mohammed saw an angel; the bible says that the Devil can come as an angel of light (light being truth). So it is understandable why they don't accept Mohammed's claims.
StreetInsurgent 4 months ago
@vmprophet ...muhammed was a killer and never repented.
CatPerez2012 4 days ago
In whom (the god) of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them
LOOK HERE SIR , I WANT TO SHOW YOU SOMETHING
1) AL-ILAH =( the god) in pre islamic times ,al- ilah became Allah
2)2 CORINTHIANS CHAPTER 4 VERSE 4 =IN WHOM (the God)
You see when you call on Allah , it is calling actually to Satan , Satan is also Allah , (same concept)
Redmissionary 2 years ago
amazing you qoute me a verse from your bible telling me that god has blinded me from the truth yet you are asking me to see it... amazing.
and again you can come up with all the theories you want, if your arab christian brothers are say ALLAH in their churches and they are not worshiping pagans, then there is no way you can now say we are doing that, it would be purely hypocracy.
naliakbar 2 years ago
This what Allah has told you that God has no son, of course he has a son , its Allah that is deceiver , his a a great deceptionist , because he is Satan himself ,read 2 corinthians chapter 4 verse 4 sir and you can see who Allah is
Redmissionary 2 years ago
again why dont you answer the simple question YES or NO
IS THERE ANYONE WHO CAN DECIEVE GOD?
naliakbar 2 years ago
My sir ive answer you , God Almighty knows every thought of ours he is creator ,he created everything This question you asking is rediculas , Allah is the one that is the deceiver His name is the god which is actualy Satan 2 corinthians chapter 4 verse 4 lets read this
Redmissionary 2 years ago
if god knows everything and cannot be decieved yet your bible tells you that god will decieve the wicked is it then not a gaurantee that god is the best deciever? if not you have to say who is the best deciever if it is not god. and you know for a fact that satan cannot decieve god so the question is are you going to say god is all knowing and your bible lied about him when it says he decieves the wicked? if not then you have to accept that god is the best deciever
naliakbar 2 years ago
and again the only reason i am using this word is because you are having a love affair with it because i believe a better word is planner.
naliakbar 2 years ago
The true God does not deceive people ,its people that do not want to receive the truth , they are mislead into unrightiose ways by (the god) of this world namely satan
Redmissionary 2 years ago
then why do you consider the bible to be the words of god, it is clear that in the bible god will decieve the wicked:
2 Thes 2:10-11
10and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
so unless you are renouncing the christian faith after reading this you are identified as a hypocrite.
naliakbar 2 years ago
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God hates sin sir but in his love he has given a gift. John chapter 3 verse 16
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
Redmissionary 2 years ago
God loves and hates. God creates and destroys. God has no son because God creates and destroys everything. God is first and the last. God has no wife, lol.
eyreenet 2 years ago
Allah the best of deceivers Surah 4 aya 119 - Allah admits his a deceiver
وَمَكَرُواْ وَمَكَرَ اللّهُ وَاللّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ
Redmissionary 2 years ago
God guides and God misleads. God creates and God destroys. God loves and God hates. God is not male nor female. God is not father nor mother. God is the source of everything.
eyreenet 2 years ago
why are you brining the entire sheep? it is one thing to put wool infront of people's eyes it is another thing when you are trying to put the entire sheep in their eyes.
you still have not answered a simple question:
IS THERE ANYONE WHO CAN DECEIVE GOD?
can you please answer with a Yes/NO or maybe and a little blurb as to why you think so. so your answer incase you need an example might be:
No, because god is the best deciever or what ever you can come up with.
naliakbar 2 years ago
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Is Allah the best deceiver that there is? Well yes, he has deceived Muslims into believing that he is the creator of the world and is peaceful, when in fact he is Satan in disguise.
No Allah has not beaten Satan in his own game, Allah is Satan for Satan can also fool people. There is a possibility that Muhammed was possessed by Satan also.
Redmissionary 2 years ago
A lie (also called prevarication) is a type of deception in the form of an untruthful statement, especially with the intention to deceive others,often with the further intention to maintain a secret or reputation, protect someone's feelings or to avoid a punishment. that one has not reasonably ascertained to be true with the intention that it be taken
.Lying is typically used to refer to deceptions in oral or written communication. Sir Allah is the best of deceivers so he is a liar god
Redmissionary 2 years ago
If the meaning in Quran is to lie then the translator will use the word lie not deceive. Deceive can also mean to make fool out of somebody. Make sure to quote the Quran within the context.
eyreenet 2 years ago
Dear sir Deceiver (De*ceiv"er) (?), n.
One who deceives; one who leads into error; a cheat; an impostor. "The deceived and the deceiver are his." Job xii. 16.
Synonyms -- Deceiver, Impostor. A deceiver operates by stealth and in private upon individuals; an impostor practices his arts on the community at large. The one succeeds by artful falsehoods, the other by bold assumption. The faithless friend and the fickle lover are deceivers; the false prophet and the pretended Allah is satan.
Redmissionary 2 years ago
from which surah and ayah you quote that Allah deceives? did you read the whole surah or you just quote one ayah and twist its meaning?
eyreenet 2 years ago
i have read the previous discussion between you and bro naliakbar. if you quote Quran 3:54 then i can find you different word for it. it says:
And they (people) devised and God devised; and God is the best of devisers.
we can use the word devise and still it explains the meaning but don't stick to the translation. just stick to the original Quran and to the context of the surah.
eyreenet 2 years ago
"God is a just judge and God is angry with the wicked everyday. (Psalms 7:11)
God is angry...
eyreenet 2 years ago
Sir When the Bible does speak of God hating, the object of Gods hatred is usually sin and wickedness. Among the things God hates are idolatry (Deuteronomy 12:31, 16:22) and those who do evil (Psalm 5:4-6, 11:5). Proverbs 6:16-19 outlines seven things the Lord hates: pride, lying, murder, evil plots, those who love evil, false witness, and troublemakers. Notice that this passage does not include just things that God hates; it includes people as well.
Redmissionary 2 years ago
still God hates. and God does hate. whatever God hates still God does hate. God doesn't only love, God also hates, lol
eyreenet 2 years ago
no its not planner its deceiver , they need to look at the translation again وَمَكَرُواْ وَمَكَرَ اللّهُ وَاللّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ
Redmissionary 2 years ago
2 different translators have it as planner but again like i said for purposes of this discussion we are using your translation.
now answer the question is there anyone who can deceive god?
naliakbar 2 years ago
Almighty God is truth , and we are his creation ,we are not God so your question is silly sir, But when we find in a god that is a deceiver like Allah is ,than he aint Almighty God because this god Allah is a deceiver and a liar ,this showing you that he will even tell lies about everything else in the Quran , cant trust this god of yours because he will tell you lies and deception وَمَكَرُواْ وَمَكَرَ اللّهُ وَاللّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ
Redmissionary 2 years ago
God sent prophets to spread the truth. The prophets guide and remind people on earth and God also creates satan and iblis to spread the falseness. Satan and iblis deceive people on earth. God is beyond true and false. God is the source of all creations. God creates everything.
eyreenet 2 years ago
Satan and iblis is Allah submit to you that the translators got it wrong with regard to the above verse. Here is the verse in Arabic:
وَمَكَرُواْ وَمَكَرَ اللّهُ وَاللّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ
It literally means: and they deceived, and Allah deceived, and Allah is the best deceiver
Redmissionary 2 years ago
you translate it as you like, like i said i dont take any exception to it because for sure there is NONE that can decieve god, but he can decieve anyone he so chooses. your bible says so, and my quran says so.
the issue you take is because the quran is plain in this matter and you want some straws to grab at but it does not give a negative meaning, because the verse is clear that allah is the best deciever to decieve the decievers (again using your translation)
naliakbar 2 years ago
Deuteronomy 28:28
The LORD will afflict you with madness, blindness and confusion of mind.
2 Thessalonians 2:11
For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie
Isaiah 29:10
For the LORD hath poured out upon you the spirit of deep sleep, and hath closed your eyes; the prophets and your rulers, the seers hath he covered
eyreenet 2 years ago
Isaiah 63:17
O LORD, why hast thou made us to err from thy ways, and hardened our heart from thy fear? Return for thy servants' sake, the tribes of thine inheritance.
1 Kings 22:23
So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you.
2 Chronicles 18:22
So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you.
eyreenet 2 years ago
Job 12:16
To him belong strength and victory; both deceived and deceiver are his.
Matthew 11:25-26
At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this was your good pleasure.
Jeremiah 4:10
Then I said, "Ah, Sovereign LORD, how completely you have deceived this people and Jerusalem by saying, 'You will have peace,' when the sword is at our throats."
eyreenet 2 years ago
Jeremiah 20:7
O LORD, you deceived me, and I was deceived; you overpowered me and prevailed. I am ridiculed all day long; everyone mocks me.
Exodus 4:11
The LORD said to him, "Who gave man his mouth? Who makes him deaf or mute? Who gives him sight or makes him blind? Is it not I, the LORD?
eyreenet 2 years ago
@Redmissionary You need to Understand the verse not just translate it
From my personal thinking deceiving doesn't always have to be negative sometimes its positive just like this verse. they deceived (us) so we played it back by Deceiving them too , imagine your friend is deceiving you and you don't want to confront him for a certain period that makes you deceiving him too, does that makes you the bad one?
Omgtheykilledme 1 year ago
If Allah is the best of all deceivers, then the logical conclusion is that you would never know when you're being deceived. What horrible uncertainty to live under when your trying to please a fickle god. Thank goodness I'm not a Muslim. Deceiving is lying. Lying is an attribute of Satan: so, by his own admission, Allah is Satan.
Redmissionary 2 years ago
deceiving is lying? that's your own word.
deceive means intentionally trick or mislead somebody
lie means deliberately say something untrue or false.
please check your english. there's a difference between deceiving and lying.
if you said deceiving is lying then the meaning would be the same. but it is not. check your dictionary...
eyreenet 2 years ago
again why dont you answer the question,
IS THERE ANYONE WHO CAN DECIEVE GOD?
naliakbar 2 years ago
Dear sir , can you trust a god that is a deceiver , answer is no you cant because you wont know weather your god is lying to you or not , thats because he is a liar god and a deceiver god, I told you to get out of that pagan religeon as fast as you can and search with your heart for the true God that you can put your trust in
Redmissionary 2 years ago
again using your translation
i can trust that no one can decieve god, yet god can easily deceive anyone if he so willed. and from that standpoint i know that god would have to be the best of decievers becuase he has what others dont have, that is knowledge of all things, including the thoughts of the decievers, so it is easy for god to allow the decievers to be decieved. and in short god is the best "deciever" i still say that should be Planner but we are using your translation.
naliakbar 2 years ago
and still you didnt answer the question can anyone deceive god?
naliakbar 2 years ago
Dear sir , now you know who Allah is
وَمَكَرُواْ وَمَكَرَ اللّهُ وَاللّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ
Redmissionary 2 years ago
why are you acting like a sand crab, answer the question.
IS THERE ANYONE WHO CAN DECIEVE GOD?
naliakbar 2 years ago
this is the 3rd time i asked you this question, i am certain you will not answer the question so i am going to bed, i will respond to you tomorrow.
naliakbar 2 years ago
insha allah
naliakbar 2 years ago
Sir we are still chatting about a lying god and deceiver, This is Allah , he will deceive you into going to hell sir because he is a liar cant trust him
Redmissionary 2 years ago
well answer the question, is there anyone who can decieve god? why dont you answer the question, you cant make an accusation and refuse to have a discussion and then call it a discussion.
naliakbar 2 years ago
Is Allah the best deceiver that there is? Well yes, he has deceived Muslims into believing that he is the creator of the world and is peaceful, when in fact he is Satan in disguise.
No Allah has not beaten Satan in his own game, Allah is Satan for Satan can also fool people. There is a possibility that Muhammed was possessed by Satan also.
Redmissionary 2 years ago
if you say god is truth and satan is false or god is good then satan is bad then god is equal to satan. good and bad is created by God. God creates and destroys. God can do anything. God nurtures and kills. God can guide you or deceive you. God beyond good and bad. God beyond our understanding. your logic is so shallow.
eyreenet 2 years ago
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Dear Sir Almighty God is love(John chapter 3 verse 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life
Redmissionary 2 years ago
Really? There are so many suffering in this world. If God is only love then there should be no suffering at all. God is beyond love and hate. God creates love and hate. God also destroys and kills. God has no son because God is not a creation. Gos is the creator of everything.
eyreenet 2 years ago
Love does no harm to its neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law. (Romans 13:10)
eyreenet 2 years ago
Dear sir , if you translate properly the arabic you will see وَمَكَرُواْ وَمَكَرَ اللّهُ وَاللّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ
It literally means: and they deceived, and Allah deceived, and Allah is the best deceiver
Redmissionary 2 years ago
ok like i said using your translation it is clear that god will decieve the decievers based on your translation.
what you fail to realize is that arabic is not english and one word has multiple meaning but that doenst matter because even with your own translation it is clear god would allow the wicked to be mislead in thier own deception.
but back to my question IS THERE ANYONE WHO CAN DECIEVE GOD?
naliakbar 2 years ago
If Allah is the best of deceivers, how can we know that he is telling us the truth, and not a bunch of lies in the Quran?
Redmissionary 2 years ago
again using your rediculous translation allah clearly says in the quran it is those that intend to decieve that he would decieve. he never said he would decieve all. so again from the rediclious translation you come up with it does not proove that allah decieves the innocnet it does proove that allah will decieve the deceptive which your bible concurs with so again what is the issue besides hypocracy?
naliakbar 2 years ago
وَمَكَرُواْ وَمَكَرَ اللّهُ وَاللّهُ خَيْرُ الْمَاكِرِينَ
It literally means: and they deceived, and Allah deceived, and Allah is the best deceiver.
This is translation of the verse, and I can assure the reader that this translation is very accurate. In fact, if you know someone who knows Arabic, ask him/her if this translation is accurate or not.
You see sir Allah is a DECEIVER
Redmissionary 2 years ago
here are 3 different translators of the quran and none of their translations say what you say the translation is:
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YUSUFALI: And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.
PICKTHAL: And they (the disbelievers) schemed, and Allah schemed (against them): and Allah is the best of schemers.
SHAKIR: And they planned and Allah (also) planned, and Allah is the best of planners.
naliakbar 2 years ago
but here is a simple question, is there anyone who can decieve god? if not using your translation god would have to be the best deciever, because on your own admision the god of the bible decieves therefore unless there is someone that can do decieving better than god he would have to be the best of this action would he not?
so my question is are you going to belittle god and say that god can be decieved or are you now going to say that your god is the best deciever, take your pick
naliakbar 2 years ago
it seems appropriate to give Allah the attribute that He deserves. True, scholars of ages missed that attribute, but the Quranic verse is there, and It seems to me academically honest to give Allah His rightful attribute. He is The Best Deceiver.
Redmissionary 2 years ago
again dont try to play around the question,
IS THERE ANYONE WHO CAN DECIEVE GOD?
naliakbar 2 years ago
The arab christians call God , Allah this is a arabic word for God , but their theology of allah is God the father , God the son and God the Holy Spirit=God Almighty
The Muslims god Allah originated from al_ilah meaning( the god) which is not Almighty god , the arab christians concept of God is differant to your idea of God , we know from pre islamic times that this god al_ilah was a idol and muhammud just changed the word to Allah but the roots of this al_ilah you need to go back in time
Redmissionary 2 years ago
do you not see how corrupted your thoughts are, you claim that Allah is ok for the arab christian because of his theology, yet because islam was started amongst pagans that islam cannot use it's theology when it is tlaking about Allah.
please open the quran and show me where Allah in muslim theology is the Allah of pagans since that is your claim.
naliakbar 2 years ago
2 thessalonians 10)and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11)For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. TAKE NOTE , BECAUSE THEY REFUSED TO LOVE THE TRUTH , for this REASON God has sent them strong delusion, Allah send anyone to hell not same God
Redmissionary 2 years ago
and why is god said to "decieve" in the quran?
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YUSUFALI: And (the unbelievers) plotted and planned, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.
in that translation you translate the word plot and plan to decieve, but none the less it is clearly that god will decieve the wicked. yet you bring it up as an arguement can you be consistient? if it is an issue that you also reject your book or you accept god allows the wicked to be decieved.
naliakbar 2 years ago
The Muslim pagan god is al_ilah from pre islamic times , they have incorperated all the pagan rites from this baal worship mainly going facing thew black stone , and kissing and verating it, circling the kaaba 7 times throwing stones at the devil , the devil is the very one that has deceived you read 2 corinthians chapter 4 verse 4 it will explain to you who you are worshipping dear brothers in the muslim faith, Receive Jesus Christ and be saved dear sirs , dont FALL PRAY TO THIS DECEIVER aLLAH
Redmissionary 2 years ago
as for the hajj rituals it is based around the abraham story and we can go into that if you like but you dont seem to care bout that because you are laying accusations and no meat to what you say.
and again are you giong to give up yoru bible because god is also called a deciever in yoru bilbe (2 thes 2:11)?
and are you going to answer my video? no rush but i would like to know if you are going to respond to it?
naliakbar 2 years ago
The arab christians are refering to God the father, God the Son, and God the Holy spirit =Almighty God , they call him Allah , but your Allah was originally al-ilah and later on muhammud changed this to Allah to make it more official and acepted Allah comes from The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a reference meaning "the god". pagan Arab tribe would refer to tribal pagan god as
"al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah
Redmissionary 2 years ago
so baiscally you are saying that Allah in the chritian mouth is not the same as Allah in the muslim mouth even though it is the very same word. yet when the muslim says the exact same thing that Allah in the muslim mouth is not the same as Allah in the pagan mouth you cant accept that explaination why?
naliakbar 2 years ago
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Whos humilating who , these guys here areinto baal wqorship and they want to challenge the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ,The truine God of the universe God the son God the Holy Spirit and God the father =ALmighty God ,Allah and all his baal worshippers will allways try their luck with the true God, even tried the luck with Elijah , could not bring fire from heaven , because satan(Allah let them down, so Elijah got them killed , But here Jesus is giving them a chance to escape hell
Redmissionary 2 years ago
My brother , you misunderstand , the Allah you are worshipping is differant to the Christian Arabs, The Christian arabs worship the Father , the son ,and the Holy Spirit , you are worshiping a Allah that is not the same God , your Allah comes from The moon god was also referred to as "al-ilah". This is not a proper name of a single specific god, but a generic reference meaning "the god". pagan Arab tribe would refer to tribal pagan god as
"al-ilah" was later shortened to Allah
Redmissionary 2 years ago
how can that be when the christian arab refers to god as Allah?
i agree with you Allah means THE GOD. and as a muslim when i say Allah i refer to the being that meets the 99 attributes in the quran. and the moon god is not one of them.
however using your logic when a christian arab uses Allah what god is he refering to? basically in your logic they are refering to the pagan moon god.
naliakbar 2 years ago
Whos humilating who , these guys here areinto baal wqorship and they want to challenge the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ,The truine God of the universe God the son God the Holy Spirit and God the father =ALmighty God ,Allah and all his baal worshippers will allways try their luck with the true God, even tried the luck with Elijah , could not bring fire from heaven , because satan(Allah let them down, so Elijah got them killed , But here Jesus is giving them a chance to escape hell
Redmissionary 2 years ago
what is amazing is that all of your christian arab brothers and sisters call god Allah even within the arabic bible god is called allah, so basically you are claiming that your arab christian brothers are also going to hell for baal worship? do you see the flaw in your logic?
naliakbar 2 years ago
Whos humilating who , these guys here areinto baal wqorship and they want to challenge the God of Abraham , Isaac and Jacob ,The truine God of the universe God the son God the Holy Spirit and God the father =ALmighty God ,Allah and all his baal worshippers will allways try their luck with the true God, even tried the luck with Elijah , could not bring fire from heaven , because satan(Allah let them down, so Elijah got them killed , But here Jesus is giving them a chance to escape hell
Redmissionary 2 years ago
Poor deedat in hell
Redmissionary 2 years ago
are u god to say whose in hell and whose not...why not ur god was a person ..u maybe even god..why dont u go to others and tell them to worship u or that ur even god...that even jesus in ur bible that u post it's from god never said those words...poor u
bekOSKYLINE 2 years ago
I can tell he is hell because he denied that Jesus Christ is the son of God and Jesus Christ Died on the cross for him ,Deedat is totally antichrist and worshipped a false god by the name of Allah , and millions like you wil spend eternity in hell , if you do and put your trust in Jesus Christ get out of that satanic , religeon . Dont argue the facts are clear from history Allah is Satan in disguise , he is the best of deceivers , fooled a billion of you muslims
Redmissionary 2 years ago
did you get my response to your video you sent me?
naliakbar 2 years ago
and well not to jump into the conversation here, but you talk aobut Allah being the best of decievers, i ask
if we read your bible 2 thes 2:11 we find that god decieves wicked people just like the quran states, so now are you going to burn your bible because god of your bible is also a deciever? Or are you going to run away from that conversation, and be a hypoctite? or simply admit that you didnt realize that god of your bible was also a deciever.
naliakbar 2 years ago
Hehehehe He Humiliated you that's why you're angry at him i understand your feelings as the proverb says : shit happens ! you're in deep shit right now brother ^^
SimoDluffy 2 years ago
@ this point nothing I say is going to convince you. So I will give you this advice, look into the Incorruptibles and Eucharistic miracle.
I will also leave u with these verses
Isaias53
5 But he was wounded for our iniquities, he was bruised for our sins: the chastisement of our peace was upon him, and by his bruises we are healed. John3
16 For God so loved the world, as to give his only begotten Son; that whosoever believeth in him, may not perish, but may have life everlasting.
evi410 2 years ago
Lol. So you are calling it off. OK, as you wish. In response to the verses you left I would like to quote Ezekiel 18:20-21
'The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.'
'But if the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all my statutes, and do that which is
ainwee 2 years ago
is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
And MY advice to you would be to read your own bible, WHOLE of it, each and every verse, not just a few to prove your case, with the same critical eye as you read the Quran because that is the only way you can answer the objections raised on the book. Expand your knowledge, expand your horizon, question your faith and be logical and truthful because a blind belief is no belief. Anyone can have a blind belief in ones religion.
ainwee 2 years ago
Secondly, one thing about the Quran, please always refer to the words that are there in the original Arabic text to save your self from misquoting. Because as you kept on saying sperm doesnt come from chest while the word chest was not in the text rather it was between backbone and ribs and I showed you that the area between backbone and ribs extends below the diaphragm too. Thirdly before you make any allegation please confirm it first and theres difference between historical records and
ainwee 2 years ago
Quranic text. Historical records can differ considerably but not the Quran. These errors in the bible that I was talking about in the last, I took those from a debate between Dr. Zakir Naik and Dr. William Campbell on Quran and Bible in the light of science Its there on youtube, whole of it. I would like you to see that debate. Youll learn a lot from it both about bible and Quran.
Lastly, you were the first Christian with whom I had such a point to point debate which I enjoyed in its
ainwee 2 years ago
whole course. I again apologize for any inconvenience that I may have caused or if I hurt your feelings anywhere. It wasn't intentional. You see Im just 22 and very new to this comparative religion studies so I might have made mistakes. We are friends now :-)
May God guide us all to the right path. Assalam-u-alaikum (May peace be on you)
ainwee 2 years ago
It's nothing. My feelings weren't hurt. Nor do I hold a grudge, as a Catholic I love everyone. Pax tecum (Peace be with you)
evi410 2 years ago
Our Lord Christ said we can judge a tree by its fruits. Koran says kill people, Scripture says to love everyone, even those who hate us. Moslesm have the same doctrine as pagans kill kill kill. And sex sex sex.
Funny that u talk about bishops having sex w. kids when mohammad had sex with a little girl....she still played with toys.
And the devil lived in his nose. lol
evi410 2 years ago
And we see the result of this 'love'. Christians are perverts. Muslims are not. Atleast we have laws to control it. You don't have anything except 'love' which not only failed to control perversion but increased it in Christian society.
Oh and by the way punishment of adultery in bible is death (Leviticus 20:10) And if a women doesn't cover her head, her head should be shaven (Corinthians 11:6) Islam doesn't ask to shave the head of those who do not cover their heads.
ainwee 2 years ago
And this allegation about Muhammad is a total LIE. You just heard it and you think you've got a strong point and you are producing it everywhere whithout research/evidence. As Thomas Carlyle said, 'The lies, which well-meaning zeal has heaped round this man, are
disgraceful to ourselves only' You are disgracing yourself, not Muhammad. On the contrary I can produce evidence about gay and pedophile bishops here.
ainwee 2 years ago
Wisdom 14
7 For blessed is the wood, by which justice cometh.
This is about the Cross!
evi410 2 years ago
I don't know why you think this means anything to me? I don't care what the koran says.
The lesser holy of the saints is MORE holy than mohammad. Compare them and u will see.
evi410 2 years ago
Ghâfir
Surah 40. The Believer
40:67 It is He Who has created you from dust then from a sperm-drop, then from a leech-like clot; then does he get you out (into the light) as a child: then lets you (grow and) reach your age of full strength; then lets you become old,- though of you there are some who die before;- and lets you reach a Term appointed; in order that ye may learn wisdom.
vlibert 2 years ago
Nowhere in the process of life are we a "clot." This is just bad science.
evi410 2 years ago
it is a description of what it looks like, not what it actually is.
naliakbar 2 years ago
I don't see that anywhere in the text. And sperm does not come from the chest.
evi410 2 years ago
Yes it's the description of what it looks like but the literal meanings also imply VERY accurately. :-) I've answered it.
ainwee 2 years ago
The word used in Arabic is 'Alaqa' which has three meanings 1. Something which clings (zygote gets attached to the uterus on the 5th day of fertilisation) 2. A leech like substance (human embryo looks like an embryo in initial stages: geocities . com / Athens / Aegean/6377/Leech . jpg It also behaves like a leech i.e. gets blood from mother) 3. Clot (Blood starts circulating in embryo on 3rd week. Before that it is static in the embryo's vessels, static blood clots.) All three meanings fit.
ainwee 2 years ago
A clot is a clot not a circulation system. And sperm doesn't come fomr the chest
evi410 2 years ago
OK, you want to insist on the third meaning. 'A clot is a clot not a circulation system'. Clot is present inside the circulation system and in this case whole blood is clotted. You might want to read Keith L. Moore's (an embryologist and a CHRISTIAN) views on Embryology and Quran. (youtube . com/ watch?v=Tx434UE3SYw) He has also stated Quranic references in the beginning of his book on embryo which we studied as a text book in bachelors of medicine and surgery here in Pakistan.
ainwee 2 years ago
the 1st few days the merged ovum and sperm R free floating in the tube b/t the ovary and the uterus. During this migration towards the uterus which is quite a substantial and important time of its development as it is the time of its highest relative growth, it is a "non-clinging" state before it will finally come to rest at some spot of the uterine wall and become a "clinging thing".
evi410 2 years ago
So now the first meaning. Zygote implants in the body of uterus on 5th day of fertilisation and remains attached to it for the next 275 days. During the first five days cells divide so that zygote becomes a ball of cells called morula. A cavity appears in morula called blastocyst and then it embeds in the uterus. At this stage its nowhere close to look like a human being. Then it grows further, organs are formed, acquires a human shape and keeps on growing until born. Whats your point?
ainwee 2 years ago
My point is that life begins at the moment of conception. IT is not a "leech" at that point(nor is it ever) and it certainly isn't a blood clot.
evi410 2 years ago
'Alaqa' means a leech like thing, NOT a leech and I showed you the diagram where the human embryo looks like a leech. I told you the stage where all blood is clotted in the embryo. Not only the blood is actually clotted, the embryo looks like a clot in the initial stages. Sometimes some few weeks pregnant women complaint of passing a CLOT and become worried if it was the embryo and seek the doc. Doc looks up in the uterus and sometimes it turns out to be a case of spontaneous abortion.
ainwee 2 years ago
And I told you that a person is alive before they are that "leech"(which again they never are a leech. Spin it anyway you want. But you can't get around the fact that a baby is alove at the moment of conception, that would be before they attach to the mother.
evi410 2 years ago
There are two separate words for leech and leech like thing in Arabic and 'Alaqa' means a leech like thing. This is no SPINNING, this is plain Arabic. So, Quran is a miracle.
ainwee 2 years ago
lol, the koran said that b/c they desected dead animals like every other culture and saw what looked like a leech. It is not a leech, nor does the text say the word "looked"
and it is not a miracle b/c science proves that life begins at conception.
evi410 2 years ago
The human embryo, where it looks like a leech, is only of a few millimeters so even if you dissect it out you can't tell it. And theres not record that the Arabs used to dissect uteri of pregnant animals and study their fetuses. I know you made it up.
And Quran does not say that life does not begin at conception.
ainwee 2 years ago
The point where life begins in the embryo has been a topic of great debate because it is related to abortion. The heat starts beating around 3rd to 4th week and the embryo looks a little human. So some say that THIS is the point of beginning of life and abortions can be carried out before that. Some reason that embryo is ALIVE from the zygote stage even if it is in two cell stage. Im not sure at what stage it should be called ALIVE. Anyways whats your point of saying that?
ainwee 2 years ago
It is NOT a topic of debate. Scientist have stated that life begins at the moment of conception. You can provide no evidence to the contrary.
evi410 2 years ago
I can provide here evidence that it IS a topic of debate. Definition of life itself varies. One of the controversial specie is the virus. You just want to try to refute everything I say. Anyways that's not important. What do you want prove by saying that life begins at the moment of conception? I hope you study the scientific 'facts' in bible with same critical eye which I'm going to state here very soon.
ainwee 2 years ago
B/c life begins and the baby is not attached like a leech. Nor is the baby ever a clot. Nor does the sperm come from the chest.
evi410 2 years ago
I showed you where the embryo looks like a leech, I told you where the zygote is a clot, and I explained the sperm and chest thing.
In Punjabi language we use an idiom, 'Mera kaan chitta ae' which literally means 'My crow is white' You want to assert that your crow is white.
ainwee 2 years ago
THe sperm doesn't come from the chest. Fluid does. Fluid transports that is all. I came from my house BY CAR, that doesn't mean I came form a car. It means I came BY car
ANd I don't care what you said, we are never a leech.
evi410 2 years ago