this war was against a pipeline project of "NABUCCO" , russians try to control Georgia not to let Europeans get gas from other countries. Georgians have their own interests in a new gas pipeline through their country. it will be an alternative line for Europe. The war was between Russia and Georgia. on Georgian territory, Georgians have no ethnic problems with other Caucasians. all the Caucasus have problems with Russia. but it's a long story....don't speak if you don't know the facts.
what is russia's biggest export? oil makes for deep thought what happen too the price of oil since russia invaded georga? the price of oil fell off a clifff international world politics control the worlds wealth and commiditys
This will not end well.If this continues we may find our selves in WW3.Since we americans trained the Georgians,russian troops may mistakiny kill americans,and if that happens
The truth is that this war has not begun for Ossetia. The truth is that Russia does not want Georgia to be joined in NATO because she thinks that after this Russia can lose her empire area and influence in caucasus. For this reason they are using Ossetians and Abkhazians as a gondon.
TV Rustavi2 has aquired the video of the barracks where Georgian soldiers lived in Gori military base. The video was taken by Russian soldiers. They are 'impressed' with the barracks and say '' we live like tramps'. The soldiers which are seen in the video are fitting on the clothes of Georgian soldiers and are happy for that. The outraged Russian soldiers are destructing everything what they cannot take away with them.
In the summer of 1805, Russian troops on the Askerani River near Zagam defeated the Persian army and saved Tbilisi from conquest. From 1803 to 1878, as a result of numerous Russian wars against Turkey and Iran, several territories were annexed to Georgia.
These areas (Batumi, Akhaltsikhe, Poti, and Abkhazia) now represent a large part of the territory of Georgia along with Guria (abolished in 1828) and Samegrelo (Mingrelia) in 1857. The region of Svaneti was gradually annexed in 1857--59.
The most important detail is missing in your version -- Please note, that all former Georgian lands annexed by Imperial Russia from 1801 to 1878 were annexed not to Georgia (or for Georgia), but first of all to Russia.
And the argument is very clear: Beginning from 1801 to 1917 thanks to the Russian occupation Georgian Royal Governments disappeared and both Georgian Kingdoms (Eastern & Western) as well as Batumi, Akhaltsikhe, Poti etc. become property of Romanov's (not Georgian Bagrations).
Yes, Russian troops on the near Zagami defeated the Persian army and saved Tbilisi from conquest. But at that time Tbilisi already was under Russian occupation. It was not considered as capital of
In addition, let me note that, in 1795, when the Persian shah, Agha Mohammed Khan, invaded the country and burnt the capital, Tbilisi, to the ground. At the same time let me say, that according 1783 treaty of Georgievsk Russia was supposed to provide military assistance to Georgian Kingdom of Kartli-Kakheti, but never did!!!
Russians withdrew their troops from the region, leaving King Erekle's kingdom unprotected. Metropolitan Dositeos of Tbilisi was killed because he would not abandon his flock. While the invaders simply killed most of the clergymen, from St. Dositeos they demanded a renunciation of the Faith. St. Dositeos was martyred on September 12 in the year 1795. - 12 years since Georgia joined Russian "NATO" (1783 -- Georgievsk).
After Erekle's and George XII's death, Tsar Paul I of Russia signed a decree on the incorporation of Eastern Georgia (Kartli-Kakheti) within the Russian Empire, which was confirmed by Tsar Alexander I on September 12, 1801.Russian General Knorring removed the Georgian heir to the throne David Bagrationi from power and deployed a provisional government headed by another Russian General.
Georgian nobility did not accept the decree until April 1802 when General Knorring held the nobility in Tbilisi's Sioni Cathedral and forced them to take an oath on the imperial crown of Russia. Those who disagreed were arrested.
Newly established Russian administration started deporting the members of 1200 years old Georgian Royal Dynasty Bagrationi and 1400 years old Georgian Orthodox Church Hierarchy to Russia (Metropolitan of Gaenati was Assassinated by Russian soldiers)
Everything after 1801 was on behalf of Russia and for Russia -- Not for Georgia.
They put a military contingent in the N.Pole for oil,and want a seat at the big boy's table. Putin,is afraid of the US and China-by destroying Georgia's oil pipeline and having the military in the North Pole,he gets a seat.
In my opinion, support Georgia with airdrops,put a battalion of US soldiers onboard and dare Russia to shoot them down-Putin doesn't want to be at war with the US.
Georgia remembers Soviet invasion in 1921 and the reason stated at that time - Protection of local Communists. Today, Russians are protecting ethnic Osetian "Russian Citizens".
Those "Russian citizens" happen to be Georgian citizens. Russia has issued Russian passports to help justify a future movement.
After occupation of Georgia by Soviet Russia in 1924 thi historic Georgian province Shida Kartli (central Georgia) became known as South Ossetia and the "South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast" (i.e. district) was formed.
The Osetians are originally descendants of the Alans. They became Christians during the early Middle Ages, under Georgian and Byzantine influences. Under Mongol rule, they were pushed out of their homeland south in present-day Republic of Alania (north Caucasus) under Russian rule from 1767.
Another part of Osetians migrated towards and over the Caucasus mountains, to Georgia in the central region of Georgia - Shida Kartli -- Under rule of the Georgian Royal Dynasty Bagrationi. Little part of Osetians also moved to in Western Georgian Kingdom -- Imereti, Rulled by another branch of Bagrationi Dynasty.
In 1801, During the Annexation of the Eastern Georgian Kingdom of Kartli-Kaxeti, Georgian villages populated by Osetian minority including Tskhinvali (current capital of So-called S.Osetia) automatically become part of Tiflis (Tbilisi) Gubernia under Imperial Russia.
jimwaweru your right russia is insane with its forces im in the military and the russians have the best surface to air missles in the world which is going to make it pesky for our warplanes if we do engage and even then our force is spread way to thin because 40 percent of our force is in the middle east and we can't just leave iraq or else it will go into chaos
Bull, humanity has been fighting itself since the dawn of man. It's war that's shaped alot of the world today, not peace. World peace is something I doubt will happen until we have more planets to have interstellar wars. Not to say world peace wouldn't be nice, but it's unrealistic. . . There will always be leaders who don't see eye to eye and there will always be war to settle that.
Dont fuck with Russia man, they're fucking short-tempered. Besides I think WW3 is on the brink, atleast we will be fighting a real army unlike those cum-guzzling faggot towelheads.
I knew it, Lenin, Stalin, Putin they are all the same, Russia hasnt been in a real war since 1989. I dont know why anybody trusted Putin in the first place.
meankookoo, the USA funds Georgia's military, gives it supplies, body armor, weapons. It also finished up 15 days of military exercises jointly with Georgia in July 2008.
the europeans r trying to get the usa involved since they have no army. bp and shell euro oil companies have important transport -reserve assets in the caspian.
If they r lucky they can get russia and the usa to destroy themselves with nukes leaving the eu intact and unharmed like the usa after ww II, but even more so.
Georgia Invaded South Ossettia (which has been independent since 1992,but not recognized) started a war and killed 1000+ Civilians which include Russian citizens with Russian Passports and the Russian Government is going to let this just happen? its also funny how the attack happened on the Beijing Olympic Starts. Georgia also has the 3rd largest Troop level of any country in Iraq, wake up!!!!
Those Russian citizens with Russian passports happen to be Georgian citizens. Russia has issued Visas to help justify a future movement. As for Iraq, Georgia had 2,000 soldiers in Iraq as compared to (1) 180,000+ PMCs, (2)160,000 US soldiers, (3) BEF 4,000, and (4) Georgia 2,000. Oh, wait. They just left. Moreover: Pipeline going through Georgia that threatens future Russian monopolies? Prospective NATO member? Peacekeepers with conflicting interests? The people of Ossetia are merely a catalyst.
Although it's very tragic that civilians have been killed, I think Georgia is really in the right here - South Ossetia is sovereign Georgian territory, and has been given a great deal of autonomy by the government in Tbilisi. Now that tensions have escalated and Russia has gotten involved, the nature of that conflict hasn't changed - it's a Georgian internal conflict in which Russia has unjustly intervened. There ARE Russian citizens in South Ossetia, but that doesn't justify invasion.
The only reason why those "citizens" had Russian Citizenship is because Russian-backed poppet Government in South Ossetia which by 90% consists of former KGB officers. They were agressively distributing Russian passports in the area, this is what the Russian peacekeepers were there for in reality, to cover up Russian actions. Sure, they could later say "Let's protect our citizens! And let's punish those unsuccumbing Georgians.. World MUST WAKE UP AND TAKE ATIONS IMMEDIATELY.
Washington cares about oil? When it almost got to 150 a gallon, Washington really didn't do much. They kinda left it alone and let it play itself out. It hurt a lot of ppl who got laid off, lost cars and lost homes. Peoples credit have been ruined because of investors who got great profits off of them.
tom clancy made a game about this in 2001 and it happened ?
soldier167v 1 year ago
WARS!!! OIL, RELIGION + DICTATOR SHIP!!! -- Untill all these are eliminated WAR will rage for ever!
mattrstudios 1 year ago
this war was against a pipeline project of "NABUCCO" , russians try to control Georgia not to let Europeans get gas from other countries. Georgians have their own interests in a new gas pipeline through their country. it will be an alternative line for Europe. The war was between Russia and Georgia. on Georgian territory, Georgians have no ethnic problems with other Caucasians. all the Caucasus have problems with Russia. but it's a long story....don't speak if you don't know the facts.
katiaeka 2 years ago
what is russia's biggest export? oil makes for deep thought what happen too the price of oil since russia invaded georga? the price of oil fell off a clifff international world politics control the worlds wealth and commiditys
shaplvr 3 years ago
they are trying to frame me for what i saw in texas
davidwaters69 3 years ago
This will not end well.If this continues we may find our selves in WW3.Since we americans trained the Georgians,russian troops may mistakiny kill americans,and if that happens
then we will most likely retaliate.
I support Georgia!
zct2 3 years ago
i work in the military and ive heard of leaks that russia worked with the taliban and shit and they were ultimatly behind 9\11
seamonkey525 3 years ago
The truth is that this war has not begun for Ossetia. The truth is that Russia does not want Georgia to be joined in NATO because she thinks that after this Russia can lose her empire area and influence in caucasus. For this reason they are using Ossetians and Abkhazians as a gondon.
nargan2 3 years ago
duz this mean ww3
carlito6111 3 years ago
TV Rustavi2 has aquired the video of the barracks where Georgian soldiers lived in Gori military base. The video was taken by Russian soldiers. They are 'impressed' with the barracks and say '' we live like tramps'. The soldiers which are seen in the video are fitting on the clothes of Georgian soldiers and are happy for that. The outraged Russian soldiers are destructing everything what they cannot take away with them.
Iberi1 3 years ago
In the summer of 1805, Russian troops on the Askerani River near Zagam defeated the Persian army and saved Tbilisi from conquest. From 1803 to 1878, as a result of numerous Russian wars against Turkey and Iran, several territories were annexed to Georgia.
These areas (Batumi, Akhaltsikhe, Poti, and Abkhazia) now represent a large part of the territory of Georgia along with Guria (abolished in 1828) and Samegrelo (Mingrelia) in 1857. The region of Svaneti was gradually annexed in 1857--59.
privateer70 3 years ago
The most important detail is missing in your version -- Please note, that all former Georgian lands annexed by Imperial Russia from 1801 to 1878 were annexed not to Georgia (or for Georgia), but first of all to Russia.
And the argument is very clear: Beginning from 1801 to 1917 thanks to the Russian occupation Georgian Royal Governments disappeared and both Georgian Kingdoms (Eastern & Western) as well as Batumi, Akhaltsikhe, Poti etc. become property of Romanov's (not Georgian Bagrations).
Iberi1 3 years ago
Yes, Russian troops on the near Zagami defeated the Persian army and saved Tbilisi from conquest. But at that time Tbilisi already was under Russian occupation. It was not considered as capital of
the Georgian Kingdom anymore.
Iberi1 3 years ago
In addition, let me note that, in 1795, when the Persian shah, Agha Mohammed Khan, invaded the country and burnt the capital, Tbilisi, to the ground. At the same time let me say, that according 1783 treaty of Georgievsk Russia was supposed to provide military assistance to Georgian Kingdom of Kartli-Kakheti, but never did!!!
Iberi1 3 years ago
Russians withdrew their troops from the region, leaving King Erekle's kingdom unprotected. Metropolitan Dositeos of Tbilisi was killed because he would not abandon his flock. While the invaders simply killed most of the clergymen, from St. Dositeos they demanded a renunciation of the Faith. St. Dositeos was martyred on September 12 in the year 1795. - 12 years since Georgia joined Russian "NATO" (1783 -- Georgievsk).
Iberi1 3 years ago
After Erekle's and George XII's death, Tsar Paul I of Russia signed a decree on the incorporation of Eastern Georgia (Kartli-Kakheti) within the Russian Empire, which was confirmed by Tsar Alexander I on September 12, 1801.Russian General Knorring removed the Georgian heir to the throne David Bagrationi from power and deployed a provisional government headed by another Russian General.
Iberi1 3 years ago
Georgian nobility did not accept the decree until April 1802 when General Knorring held the nobility in Tbilisi's Sioni Cathedral and forced them to take an oath on the imperial crown of Russia. Those who disagreed were arrested.
Iberi1 3 years ago
Newly established Russian administration started deporting the members of 1200 years old Georgian Royal Dynasty Bagrationi and 1400 years old Georgian Orthodox Church Hierarchy to Russia (Metropolitan of Gaenati was Assassinated by Russian soldiers)
Everything after 1801 was on behalf of Russia and for Russia -- Not for Georgia.
Iberi1 3 years ago
Welcome to World War 3, folks.
tasuki199 3 years ago 3
Russia isn't invading to protect their citizens.
They put a military contingent in the N.Pole for oil,and want a seat at the big boy's table. Putin,is afraid of the US and China-by destroying Georgia's oil pipeline and having the military in the North Pole,he gets a seat.
In my opinion, support Georgia with airdrops,put a battalion of US soldiers onboard and dare Russia to shoot them down-Putin doesn't want to be at war with the US.
Kellers357 3 years ago 3
Georgia remembers Soviet invasion in 1921 and the reason stated at that time - Protection of local Communists. Today, Russians are protecting ethnic Osetian "Russian Citizens".
Those "Russian citizens" happen to be Georgian citizens. Russia has issued Russian passports to help justify a future movement.
Iberi1 3 years ago
After occupation of Georgia by Soviet Russia in 1924 thi historic Georgian province Shida Kartli (central Georgia) became known as South Ossetia and the "South Ossetian Autonomous Oblast" (i.e. district) was formed.
Iberi1 3 years ago
The Osetians are originally descendants of the Alans. They became Christians during the early Middle Ages, under Georgian and Byzantine influences. Under Mongol rule, they were pushed out of their homeland south in present-day Republic of Alania (north Caucasus) under Russian rule from 1767.
Iberi1 3 years ago
Another part of Osetians migrated towards and over the Caucasus mountains, to Georgia in the central region of Georgia - Shida Kartli -- Under rule of the Georgian Royal Dynasty Bagrationi. Little part of Osetians also moved to in Western Georgian Kingdom -- Imereti, Rulled by another branch of Bagrationi Dynasty.
Iberi1 3 years ago
In 1801, During the Annexation of the Eastern Georgian Kingdom of Kartli-Kaxeti, Georgian villages populated by Osetian minority including Tskhinvali (current capital of So-called S.Osetia) automatically become part of Tiflis (Tbilisi) Gubernia under Imperial Russia.
Iberi1 3 years ago
jimwaweru your right russia is insane with its forces im in the military and the russians have the best surface to air missles in the world which is going to make it pesky for our warplanes if we do engage and even then our force is spread way to thin because 40 percent of our force is in the middle east and we can't just leave iraq or else it will go into chaos
Joshua4599 3 years ago
we need PEACE in this world!!
lilpigletlost08 3 years ago 5
Bull, humanity has been fighting itself since the dawn of man. It's war that's shaped alot of the world today, not peace. World peace is something I doubt will happen until we have more planets to have interstellar wars. Not to say world peace wouldn't be nice, but it's unrealistic. . . There will always be leaders who don't see eye to eye and there will always be war to settle that.
RaptorZefier 3 years ago 3
World peace is a myth.
foxdie895 3 years ago
peace and love
andopedon 3 years ago 2
Tanks that are shown are georgian, not russian. And that was Georgia, who begian the attaks first
Winda25 3 years ago
stop the russians now before they get to louisiana, or alabama
pubsterguy 3 years ago 3
Dont fuck with Russia man, they're fucking short-tempered. Besides I think WW3 is on the brink, atleast we will be fighting a real army unlike those cum-guzzling faggot towelheads.
jmwaweru 3 years ago
Its gonna be WW3, this would be the same as a Russian invasion of Britain or Canada.
81964444 3 years ago
I knew it, Lenin, Stalin, Putin they are all the same, Russia hasnt been in a real war since 1989. I dont know why anybody trusted Putin in the first place.
81964444 3 years ago
We should bomb those commy bastards, afterall the Russians have declared war on on of Americas greatest allies in the region.
81964444 3 years ago
go russia. im an american. russia left us alone when we put troops in afganistan iraq and other countries go russia.
klopy3651 3 years ago
fucking russian assholes, that's all true
thank u...
gio222222 3 years ago
meankookoo, the USA funds Georgia's military, gives it supplies, body armor, weapons. It also finished up 15 days of military exercises jointly with Georgia in July 2008.
Perhaps you are just an idiot?
monkeyman1140 3 years ago
woot woot
we r all going to die
ww3 is near ppl be ready for it
war for oil, war for peace
war to end all wars
PersianDictator 3 years ago
the europeans r trying to get the usa involved since they have no army. bp and shell euro oil companies have important transport -reserve assets in the caspian.
If they r lucky they can get russia and the usa to destroy themselves with nukes leaving the eu intact and unharmed like the usa after ww II, but even more so.
Ecothearcy 3 years ago
again George dose what Mohamed wants
It's like he's the jerry louse of presidents
wcarlpdrysdale 3 years ago
dude shut up wars dont get anything done..... shut up with that crap
stukabomber44 3 years ago
did russia declare war today? someone told me that.
warner4455 3 years ago
Georgia Invaded South Ossettia (which has been independent since 1992,but not recognized) started a war and killed 1000+ Civilians which include Russian citizens with Russian Passports and the Russian Government is going to let this just happen? its also funny how the attack happened on the Beijing Olympic Starts. Georgia also has the 3rd largest Troop level of any country in Iraq, wake up!!!!
lloyddaroyd 3 years ago
actually...its still part of georgia. thats why the georgian army went in to try to put everything under control
kingofsouth13 3 years ago
i know, when the entire worlds attention is on the olympic war starts.
ironic isnt it...
or is it ?
idk dude. but were about to get involved if it keeps going.
agumon12 3 years ago
Russia went beyond defense mode and is now on a full offensive in a conflict they don't need to be in, this is over oil and nato.
whiteyonwelfare 3 years ago 2
Those Russian citizens with Russian passports happen to be Georgian citizens. Russia has issued Visas to help justify a future movement. As for Iraq, Georgia had 2,000 soldiers in Iraq as compared to (1) 180,000+ PMCs, (2)160,000 US soldiers, (3) BEF 4,000, and (4) Georgia 2,000. Oh, wait. They just left. Moreover: Pipeline going through Georgia that threatens future Russian monopolies? Prospective NATO member? Peacekeepers with conflicting interests? The people of Ossetia are merely a catalyst.
ExecutiveOutcomes01 3 years ago
Although it's very tragic that civilians have been killed, I think Georgia is really in the right here - South Ossetia is sovereign Georgian territory, and has been given a great deal of autonomy by the government in Tbilisi. Now that tensions have escalated and Russia has gotten involved, the nature of that conflict hasn't changed - it's a Georgian internal conflict in which Russia has unjustly intervened. There ARE Russian citizens in South Ossetia, but that doesn't justify invasion.
david0t 3 years ago
Fair arguement.
Shootkicksass 3 years ago
Where there's oil there is the U.S.
pataphysician66 3 years ago
WHERE'S THERE NATO THERE'S THE U.S. !
smoot0420 3 years ago
The only reason why those "citizens" had Russian Citizenship is because Russian-backed poppet Government in South Ossetia which by 90% consists of former KGB officers. They were agressively distributing Russian passports in the area, this is what the Russian peacekeepers were there for in reality, to cover up Russian actions. Sure, they could later say "Let's protect our citizens! And let's punish those unsuccumbing Georgians.. World MUST WAKE UP AND TAKE ATIONS IMMEDIATELY.
PhaqtebiDaBiblia 3 years ago
I think that someone wanted it to go down on the day of the olipics just so people would turn there attention away from this conflict.
elli782 3 years ago
fuck you stupid bitch
zwerkonah 3 years ago
oh shit lol who thinks ww3 is gonna start?
Digitalphone33r 3 years ago
Washington cares about oil? When it almost got to 150 a gallon, Washington really didn't do much. They kinda left it alone and let it play itself out. It hurt a lot of ppl who got laid off, lost cars and lost homes. Peoples credit have been ruined because of investors who got great profits off of them.
lon9i9 3 years ago
Are you out of your mind,if you are talking about us going into Iraq for oil, it would be .50 per gallon you fool.
All you Bush haters, just don't know the facts.
Why is it, when there's problems in the World, everyone wants us to do something and when we protect ourselves, we are the bad ones.
roger6060 3 years ago
US, you created a criminalist way for Albanian terrorists to steal Kosovo. What the fuck do you want now? Russia will anihilate anyone!
halomolim 3 years ago
lol not where the u.s and NATO is on the earth
Digitalphone33r 3 years ago
your from canada. And you support russia? let me guess your an illegal immergrant.
mlw1990 3 years ago
you an illegal emmigrant on the Earth, sissy-anacefal .
bb7777888 3 years ago
You right, thanks to Bill Clinton, but our news agency don't report that.
I've said it for years, that Clinton was wrong in his actions, and did it only to devert attention from himself, during the sex scandal.
roger6060 3 years ago 2
World War 3 is coming really soon...
chutubeme 3 years ago
love the symbolic 888.Anyone with a hint of brain power will realize whats really going on here.
Lapata999 3 years ago
Fill me in on the meaning please?
locaXanime 3 years ago
Fill me in about the meaning?
locaXanime 3 years ago