m3e90board.com: BMW M3 E92 6-speed vs BMW M3 CSL

[Levente20]

put the two cars on the nürbrugring and witness how the csl rape the e92 m3

[AGENT47ist]

i don't know anything you say guys i say BMW 4 EVERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

[TheEuroperules]

the shitty cls can't play with the e92

[beastson]

@TheEuroperules shitty cls? first of all what's a cls? second of all you're dumb.

[TheEuroperules]

@beastson BMW M3 CSL deepshit ! OWNED ! Yanks are not allowed.

[beastson]

@beastson you wrote cls you fucking moron, GTFO.

[therionman52]

I still love the CSL more than e92 :)))

[metalslugfight]

I'm still impressed in the CSL' sound... : O---

[achtungdryja1981]

I've test driven a 2002 csl with smg paddles and even thought the new one is out.I want to buy the old one first for a collection or like 2 or three.

[Icearnie]

@achtungdryja1981 - That's not easy, they were all made in 2003.

[shannerzz09]

how can u be dissapointed with the new m3 i have one myself and it is the best car i have ever had.....before i had that m3 csl and the new m3 is so much better at evrything.

[Levente20]

@shannerzz09 lol how can you say that, the csl has much better sound and looks better too

[easynickman]

The csl overtakes th enew m3 anyways, not on a straight line but if u ask a real driver the new m3 is not up to his name...I drove it and i was very disappointed, the brakes fade very soon and the 6 transmission has a too long leverage.

[easynickman]

the new m3 looking amazing...where?the old one has far more personality, the new one looks pretty much like a regular e92...the all new bmw philosophy behind design is not personal at all, M3 has to look aggressive...it does but not enough for me, i had a z4m but then i sold it.

[santa3434]

To own one, ill take the CSL anyday

[socratesRAM]

its all relevant to the time. I agree with you, but when the older m3 was released it was a beautiful car. I think the 8 series is still an amazing looking car as well. I do however think the new m3 looks amazing, thats why i have one ;)

[cassleem3]

I have alot of the respect for both of these cars. the csl is legendary and the m3 v8 engine is amazing. Still think though that the csl is the best looking m3 yet.

[goldenmarin]

i have an e92 and its stunning . but id rather loose wheight on the car than have so much luxury package . Buying lightweight parts for the m3 its too expensive so ive just put a g-power s-charger and it goes or better it feels ferrari fast . if id have 100k right now i would strip the m3 to 1400 kg . Im more a performance freak than horse power freak .

[vitocorleone57]

csl was even with rs4, and m3 e92 beat csl by this so muchhh,then hehe,nice try rs4,but ur not a match for m3 e92 :-)

[soul996]

rs4 was made befor the m3 e92 thats part of the reason why m3 is better they had time to look at the rs4 mistakes

[GT3LM]

The only simularity between the E92 M3 engine and the B7 RS4 engine is that they are both V8s. Other than that they very much unlike eachother, hence BMW couldn't learn from the 'mistakes' of a completely different engine!

[B77W]

In my opinion, the imperfection of the E92 M3 is the weight, is too heavy! Almost 1700KG?! WTF...

But, is a really nice ride. :D

[e36mmm]

ohh the csl noise :)

[oscar12690]

e92 m3 is nice

but the e46 m3...

i think its the ultimate m3 :D

[hovy82]

the e46 looks so aggressive and it differentiates itself a lot more than the normal 3 series compared to the e92 ... dont get me wrong, the e92 is nice but not too different than a 335 at 1st sight at least

[dante01010]

??? front and rear end of the old m3 looks exactly the same too of the basic old 3 series

[CheapBastard1988]

Weren't the bumpers different (not sure I'm not really a BMW fan)

The e46 looked more agressive. And when you see one you just know it's an M3. With the e92 I see one and I think wow, but I usually look for the badge to be sure it's an M3.

[peaps]

The E46 M3 has different bonnet, wings, front and rear bumpers, and rear quarter panels. Only the doors, boot and roof are the same. In addition, CSL has curved bootlid whereas std M3 has normal E46 bootlid.

[Mazda6B6]

Yes, that is true. I was at the gas station once and some guy thought I had an M3 E92. It has similar curves. Only true BMW fanatics would know the difference, hah.

[seanpull]

Can you bet Steptronic on the e92 M3?

[notoriousagp]

its not steptronic anymore its something better, a 7 speed doul clutch gearbox.

[chapc1]

i disagree with that. the double-clutch transmission is nit too much better than the manual six speed. the only difference in the 2 clutch and the SMG is a smoother gear change. it is not worth an extra $2000.

[GT3LM]

Have you ever driven one? Try one where you can. SMG II and DCT are ALOT different..!

[bobolimasterflex]

i dont think the e92 m3 is as aggresive looking as the e46

[323Ci]

The e46 m3 csl just looks better, I agree with you speedfreak e46 m3 csl all day everyday!!!!

[speedfreak3721]

CSL all day!!!

[Fewstanator]

who won m3 csl or e92?

[m5boarddotcom]

M3 E92...

[bluesti05]

Going, going, GONE!

[yarghen]

great vid guys, i have always wondered how these 2 cars would stack up. i hope bmw go crazy with the e92 m3 csl, make it like gt3 standard. i still love my classic e46 csl!!

[vitocorleone57]

i wonder what the m3 e92 csl will be like :)

i bet it would beat every other competitor

[EuroSport2006]

Sucks that BMW shelved the E92 CSL, I would have bought one.

[notoriousagp]

they shelved the idea? damn.. i thought they tamed the e92 slighty to make room for a hardcore cls version....

[Lorinand]

the e92 is amazing it was only a second behind an Audi R8 on Nordschleife

[hovy82]

hail to M power ... although the e92 already has problems here in the US ... special oil is a must for certain mechanical parts and fan problems ... :(

[912MAN]

does it really have problems??please explain, im curious

[KompressorV6]

Putting an extra person in the CSL really takes away from its weight advantage. how do these cars fare with only the drivers?

[m5boarddotcom]

Both of the cars ahd two passengers.

[bmwmpower04]

Gustav,

I've watched almost every single video you guys have posted and will order the DVD soon. A few comments:

1. The videos are perfect the way they are. Please don't add music like someone suggested. I like engine sounds much better :)

2. It would be cool to have a camera angle where the cars PASS the camera and all you see/hear are the two cars driving away from it.

[m5boarddotcom]

THank you :)

2. I agree, see the race SL55 AMG vs Hartge BMW M6 Convertible ;)

Yes, do order the DVD's ;)

[Dickotine]

hey where do ya'll do these runs at? I'd like to go there and cathup with the action. Maybe i can run my civic against one of them m5's lol. Just playin, but would be good to be around all those nice ass cars and jsut being around enthusiast

[m5boarddotcom]

It is in Sweden and it is not for Civics ;)

[Dickotine]

hey hey now. You know they got civics that can run most of those cars. Just not mines lol. But sweden? hmmm. Looks like imma have to make it out there one day

[Dickotine]

well i would like to see this same race on the autobahn where, each driver would need to slow down at some point and accelerate, I think the CSL would keep up. I know the CSL aint no joke, so for the E92 to walk away like that is impressive. But i'd like to see these guys duke it out on A9 in Germany or somethin. Take it to BMW'S home autobahn.

[m5boarddotcom]

You mean longs sweeping autobahncorners?

[Dickotine]

ooo yes. You know autobahn 9 , has those high speed corners and high speed rolling hill type str8 aways. Just beautiful!! You know A9 south of nurnberg is BMW land

[m5boarddotcom]

I love Autobahns when they have no traffic :)

[scorpio1066]

at what speed did the v8 start pulling away? thanks

[m5boarddotcom]

At say 100 mph? Both started from 50 km/h.

[shervdow]

i agree, engine noise is better. you can add music to anything, but you cant replace the sound of an e92 m3 and an e46 csl. this is a race video. go watch music videos if you want

[m5boarddotcom]

Agreed :)

[m5boarddotcom]

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[gorjanc01]

yo guys i love u, i have a bmw m3 e92 myself in moscow and i had some doubts about its capability, i thought it was much slower then audi rs4 and had some doubts if it cud win the bmw m3 csl, but now i see, geez, thanks guys

[m5boarddotcom]

Thanks :)

See m3e90board dotcom.

[Podmasli]

Is possible to buy Blu ray?

[LAXIEBABY123]

whens the M3 E90 Saloon VS M5 E60 Saloon  ????

[m5boarddotcom]

We have the M3 Coupe vs the BMW M5 Touring.

When will you buy my DVD? ;) Search on "gtboard" on Amazon.

[phas3r]

i think you guys should add some music, yes i know those v8/v10 sounds better but when it is completely silent some music should be added

[m5boarddotcom]

Yup, maybe. But we like engine noise better :)

[m5boarddotcom]

Yup, maybe. But we like engine noise better :)

[misty712]

thanks m5 for another good video. Is there any chance of getting more quarter-mile races? 0-100 km/h is kind of stupid, because driver precision makes all the difference and it's not accurate. Quarter mile is the way to go.

[m5boarddotcom]

We dont like quartermile: we race well above the quarter :)

[Goku1701A]

i also wanted to say thank you guys for all of the vids you produce. I completely understand that it is difficult sometimes to compare cars as it is with apples and oranges. the ones who hate are the ones who are might i say "respectfully." just ignorant. and i guess it offends them when their car or the company of car doesn't win. i mean its like oh well get over it your car is slower. Big deal. :)

[m5boarddotcom]

Exactly!

Many thanks.

Gustav at gtboard dotcom

[Goku1701A]

as far as the results in the starting to ending speeds that are in this vid are obviously in favor of the e92. I am curious to have you race them from start 0-60mph and 0-100mph. I believe that it would be much closer and or more in favor of the e46. Also most people dont consider but what the gearing ratios are between the two make a huge difference when you compare their power. what are the differences might i ask between the new and the old?

[m5boarddotcom]

Gearing as well as the 8400 rpm limiter helps. You did see the RS4 vs M3 standing start?

[Goku1701A]

Yeah i figured as much :) Thanks

[vailent69]

i always have erection when i listen to M sounds :D

[m5boarddotcom]

LOL :)

:D

[superfast30]

The E46 CSL is the most focused ///M car ever made!!!!!

[BradV8]

yeah - it is hands down.. or is it? Id say the E46 M3 GTR my self! :D

[miksirikoitsen]

The CSL is PURE RACE. Best BMW ever ever ever made. Its a living legend!

[houdini69]

i still say bmw is the best sports/performance car in the world even though its not the quckest or fastest, a guy will spend 90% of his time enjoying his car no where near these speeds anyhow! so if you thinkabout it i would rather spend my 90% in a car that was a whole lot better than almost all the rest, i hope this makes sense on why everyone who wants a performance car should just get an m car , i raced a galardo the other day up to about 120mph and he only got about a foot on my e36 m3 !

[E92MPower]

Who wins between E92 M3 & Porshce C4S

[m5boarddotcom]

You wil lsee soon :D

[GathkaWarrior]

E92 M3 ofcourse, already done, i even kept with a 911 turbo on the motorway, the M3 seems faster now that the engine has worn in. how many miles on the clock of this M3??

[m5boarddotcom]

Not too many but it is ran in. A M3 cannot keep up with a Porsche 911 Turbo (997) that is for sure.

[GathkaWarrior]

probs werent a 997, anyway which ever it was the guy was suprised.

[goodthomas]

how can i buy the videos?

[revaholic]

The CSL sounds amazing

[runnerbaba]

On the Racetrack the CSL is much faster.

But for everyday use its the M3.

[nlpamg]

BTW, Gustav, any chance you ran the M3 against a Z06?

[m5boarddotcom]

Ouch,m that would get ugly :S

[nlpamg]

this isn't making my decision any easier...

I'm up in the air about getting a new Z06 or an E92 M3 (I've had my deposit on it for a while) to replace my E46 M3...

I think I'm going to buy the DVD.

[m5boarddotcom]

Thank you.

[theoldspicestuff]

Nice amination at the beginning!

Spectacular race but even more stellar cars!

I think I just might buy this DVD.

[m5boarddotcom]

Thank you! It is very nice to get soem compliments!

Yes, the DVD will eb up on Amazon within weeks, and you can already buy the DVD1 from Amazon by searching for "gtboard"

Again, thansk for the nice comments.

[bimmerboy108]

M3's are the best all around cars on the planet! The performance, looks, reliability(as long as you maintain correctly) are all superb. I own an E46 it rules! Although the new E92 M3 is coming out I cant get rid of my E46 I have too much love for it. Guess I have to supercharge it now :) ///M

[m5boarddotcom]

Just buy the new one, 8400 rpm V8 is hard to resist :D

[jocky102]

all cars are reliable if you maintain them correctly

[Spaceghost272]

Yeah Bmw is the best all around,but Lexus still remains the most reliable. The Japs hold the title for Reliabilty. Bmw is kind of a sell-out in their redesign though (american designer).

[scorpio1066]

great clip - at what speed did the new M3 start pulling away? and did both have passengers? thanks

[m5boarddotcom]

At around 120-130 mph.

[ook92]

BMW M Power rlllzzzzz

BMW is the best sport car ever made!!!

BMW Forever

[jocky102]

how can you say bmw is the best sports car ever??? i think what you mean is you love yours,BUT it doesnt make it the best in the world, SO the BEST sports car in the world is a little bit arrogant a claim to make, there are other German car makers that can and have made better and faster

[jonis1990]

BMW´s M-division most be the best cars ever made!

[Pokekevin]

Dang, if thats how the E92 M3 performs, i cant imagine how a CSL version would....

Also like everyone else, i want to see an IS-F butt heads with a E92 lol.

And are these DVDs in NTSC format too?

[m5boarddotcom]

They sure are! Right on Amazon!

[EngineerAerospace]

Bmw are very aggressive but audi RS are more useful during the week and they are also all-weather cars.Drug races are absolutely useless.Maybe the 3% of all the drivers in the world can take an M3 to 90% of its capabilites.For fun bmw,for everything else audi.

[Eastman1970]

Too many fucking mexican gardeners here.

[m5boarddotcom]

What?

[panflor87]

BMW Power friends!!!!

[m5boarddotcom]

That's right!

[panflor87]

Arriba los bemeuvistas!!!

[m5boarddotcom]

Arribe arribe :) English please.

[alvarito5]

puta publicidad!!! me cago en la ostia joder!!! a la mierda con el puto viedo

[m5boarddotcom]

English please :)

[jyhighsky]

is it true that they're are if not already developed a csl version of the e92 m3??

[m5boarddotcom]

It is in development is my guess but it is at least one year from now.

[johnkimble2007]

i would take the csl for sure even if it has a smaller engine its still fast enough

[m5boarddotcom]

Alot more sportier.

[E92MPower]

I'm pretty sure the new M3 will have the IS-F covered in most, if not all departments. The CSL sounds glorious by the way!

[m5boarddotcom]

Im confident of that as well.

[dickcheese663]

any luck with the new Lexus IS-F and E92 M3 butting heads?

[m5boarddotcom]

Not yet.

[joice2800]

how all this do to get nice cars

[m5boarddotcom]

Sorry?

[nigel1235]

the new m3 is good and i like the sound but the older m3 e46 normal n csl have a better sound pitch if you know wot i meen

[m5boarddotcom]

But the new BMW M3 revs higher: 8400 rpm.

[GeorgeV6v24]

So, how many DVDs are on sale in total? 2 or 3?

[m5boarddotcom]

One is currently avalaible on Amazon: GTboard DVD I "Event at Koenigsegg".

DVDII will contain the supercar shootout from this summer with Porsche Carrera GT and McLaren Mercedes SL_R and the new BMW M3 E29 as well.

So the answer: in total two DVD's and over almost 80-100 total races.

[GeorgeV6v24]

So the second DVD will include Event 2 and Event 3?

[m5boarddotcom]

Correct!

[thouarttim]

Whoever had the idea for this race, NICE! I wanted to see this stack up so bad.

[m5boarddotcom]

My idea :) Thanks!

Have you see nthe DVD I on amazon? Search on gtboard.

[ClimberSP]

I don't understand how the RS4 is slow compared with the CSL video, and then I see the same difference between the New M3 and the CSL as in the New M3 vs RS4 video...

[m5boarddotcom]

The BMW M3 CSL vs RS4 was filmed in summer and the M3 E92 was filmed in October near zero Celsius, much cooler.

[Stevieb83]

i would think bmw diagnostic systems would be able to remove the limiter for you but its there

for a reason!

[m5boarddotcom]

OK.

[checkit9023]

do you guys no how to take the limiter off a 3 series?

[m5boarddotcom]

No.

[fastfingersfunk]

there are numerous software providers for this.

[knightingale87]

wouldn't dat bring any damage to the car?

as far as i know, bmw is very fragile

[Artuir82]

rofl, you're asking how to remove a limiter on YOUTUBE? If you actually own a 3 series you don't deserve it. lmao.

[elietosado15]

Love the sound, of the Inline-6. I'll miss that!!

[Jaakko33540]

The race itself was good, but the video in general lousy. Boring to wait for several minutes the real action to start...your board is great, we know it already and agree. Less ads please...

[m5boarddotcom]

Thank you, but there are people who do not know about the board. Also, you can fast forward.

Yes, technically I could just put it up directly, but then I would stop making these because it is actualll a cost involved making these movies.

Did you se the DVD I?

[Jaakko33540]

No, unfortunately I haven't seen DVD yet. I'll consider ordering. I understand the situation, nobody lives on with publishing videos and keeping up the board - somehow you just have to raise money. In other videos texts are better seen, this one is slighly interfered with ads...you'r doing a great job anyway! I'v just ordered E92M3 M-DCT and going to race it with my friend's E92M3 manual - with videos of course :-)

[m5boarddotcom]

Yes, I would appreciate that. That was from "Event I at Koenigsegg".

Ill try to place the ads better, I didn't really understand what the problem was.

E92 M3 is a great car and with 7-speed it will be even better for the non-purists :)

[marbello090]

this vid is amazing,here you can see who is faster, thanks for posting

[m5boarddotcom]

Thank you.

[nsxsupra]

Awesome video!!!!!!!!!

[m5boarddotcom]

Thank you!

[Skinas26]

i would like to see those 2 cars on the track :)

[m5boarddotcom]

No you see them on a track that is straight ;)

[Skinas26]

straight line is not real track, i'm talking about normal track, like nuerburgring :)

[m5boarddotcom]

But these tests are much better for seeign pure high-speed acceleration.

[KilaByte33]

Nice footage, but seriously listening to Gustav's broken English comments and the retarded M5BOARD M6BOARD M467253BOARD in the middle of the screen forever is annoying. Most people on the M5board feel the same, but their comments get deleted. Do M3 vs. M3 in text and shut the hell up! The whole world knows it the M5 board damnit.

[m5boarddotcom]

Thanks for the diplomatic comments. The person commenting was actually my friend, who also is from Sweden. We will try to better our British. After all I think You would speak Swedish quite a heavy US-accent.

And no, we do not delete negative comments on m5board.

[m3trooper]

Now ya see, this is CLASS ACT reply to such a negative comment. It's no wonder you're driving such brilliant cars, and these people posting negative comments are NOT. Do you have any videos of the E92 M3 racing an E60 M5? I still feel the M5 is a better car.

[m5boarddotcom]

Thank you.

Yes, we have a video of a BMW M5 Touring 2007 racing the 2008 BMW M3 E92 6-speed.

[ZCP1364]

cool i watch all your videos

[m5boarddotcom]

Great, thanks. Support it by also seeing the DVD I on amazon (search on gtboard).

[GeorgeV6v24]

Since when does the M5/M6 comes with manual gearbox option?

[m5boarddotcom]

Since a few months in USA and Canada.

[BradV8]

m5boarddotcom. Can we see a E46 M3 vs a E92 M3? Please :P

[m5boarddotcom]

Haha, maybe :D

[E30M34ME]

Those gatherings at that airstrip look like soooo much fun!!!

[Quinn5]

Hell Yeah! I wish I had a lot of money and race my cars out there! : ) Anyway, since we have an actual M3(E92) owner in the video...  I've read that the brakes and the steering aren't as good as they should be for a car of that caliber. Do you find this to be true in your M3?

BTW, I'm sure that Dinan is salivating right now to see what he could do to this thing. Haha! He might turn that engine into 550hp stroker! : )

[m5boarddotcom]

Brakes and steering is fine, but the brakes could be larger. The mroe you push it the more you like it.

See my writeups on my site.

[m5boarddotcom]

They are!

[Quinn5]

Haha cool! Thanks. I think I'm convinced about this car.

[m5boarddotcom]

You are welcome. Did you see m3e90board dotom? Some more reports there.

[fofototololo]

it's for you ??

[m5boarddotcom]

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[salik990]

Gustav do u have any video of E60 M5 6 speed manual vs E60 M5 smg

thanks

[m5boarddotcom]

I actually do not :( But the SMGIII will win, that is for sure.

[rickleg]

because of the faster gearing right? i would still prefer the standard over the flappy paddle gear box (jeremy clarkson reference right there haha)

[m5boarddotcom]

Clarkson is sometimes hilarios.

[rickleg]

you should get him to drive his ford GT on the strip, race it against the kelleners (did i spell it right?) M6

[m5boarddotcom]

You spelled it correct :D

[NIIICEDK]

There are no M5 E60 with manual gear, only SMG!