I am black Zimbabwean, moved to England at the age of 5 and now Im 16. England is my home, just like Zimbabwe is the home of these farmers.I see these comments saying racist things. but the reason that this has all started is because of that very same racism a white man should be allowed to buy and sell land like a black man is in Enlgand.People stop with the racism nothing will be fixed. so stop. it not about race. its about feeding people& the land. God made it for everyone to share.
Does anybody know who I can contact about volunteering at the care home featured in this video or somewhere else like it in Zimbabwe? I would love to help these people and I'm serious about moving out there and doing my bit. If anyone knows anyone I can contact or some other way I can help please send me an email. Thanks, tippnick
I never understood why back in the 60s and 70s Rhodesia doesn't form union with South Africa. It is time for Boer and English to forget about past histories, unite against the kaffirs, and take back our countries. Like the old saying goes: A good Kaffir is a dead Kaffir.
To the Rastafa1: Before the White man came to Africa, you coons were still eating one another. Now post apartheid, you went back to your roots. Just look at the Congo.
after the Belgians gave up control, these animals went back to killing and raping each other.
Without the White man, negroes go backward instead of forward. All Whites should discontinue all humanitarian aid to Africa. In less then a decade, you will all starve and
i am so glad you europeons are suffering in africa we africans were fine untill you white people came and raped destroyed and molested your way into power live by the sword you wil die by the sword
@TheRastafa1 Africa would still be people running around naked with spears fighting tribal wars with out the horrible europeans
and who do u think sold America slaves oh right that was black people i wonder where they got them? oh mmm maybe from wars and raiding neighboring villages sounds like a nice place yah ur right Africa was doing great
they didnt even have composite bows just wooden spears and clubs how advanced
The most bizarre thing about all of this is that to me it's like having your car stolen and having the thief put new tires on the car, get it serviced, give it to a relative and when the owner finally locates and moves to claim the vehicle NO ONE WANTS TO RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S A STOLEN CAR.
@Imhotep397 I‘m expressing opinions I am conveying facts. Once it’s all stolen & enterprise destroyed then the wealth stops flowing. Look at Zim today. This is what has happened in post independence Afria. As to Africans dying by the millions prior to late19th C & arrival of British that is exactly what happened try reading about Matabele invading Mashonaland & murdered & enslaving the entire Mashona people. That’s how Africans treat each other ready to happen again in Zim just watch
@MartinIDavies As to the history of the area, pre-19th...All I can say is that quite a few historians were quite "creative" in their documentation of "unbiased historical facts", so I take any documentation coming from white people (with a stake in the matter) with a grain of salt. It's important to note here macro-effects of "The Great White Way" i.e. commercialization and industrialization...it's responsible for the melting Polar caps, the greenhouse effect, water pollution, air pollution.
@Imhotep397 "creative documentation of unbiased historical facts" Try reading 1st hand accounts of 19th C European explorers & missionaries of what they experiences accounts with African societies then come back & talk about being “creative”. From your rants I am willing to bet that you know nothing about traditional African societies & you pontificate semi-educated racial nonsense about “whitey” what you mean is the modern world that sustains in your comfort – you’re a fool
@Imhotep397 To attribute diseases to Europeans is asinine, a lunacy. It’s the wonder of modern biology, chemistry & medical science the products/tools of modernity brought into existence by European civilization that has not only identified diseases but are the means by which we combat them via modern drugs, inoculations & vector control programs. Allowing human, livestock & crop populations to thrive & grow providing us with higher quality and much longer lives. You do know this don’t you?
@Imhotep397 You mention that “quite a few historians creative in their documentation of facts". OK you provide 3 European historians who doctored facts in their 1st hand accounts of experiences in 19th C Africa. Outline their fabrications. Meanwhile here are 3 I have read written by real people.
1) Three Years with Lobengula and experiences in South Africa” J Coopper-Chadwick 1894
2) “Among the Matabele” by Rev David Carnegie 1894
@MartinIDavies This is a fairly useless exercise as you'll find some way to rationalize away the truth, but I'll list some things for some people that might want to look into them. Clearly you're so personally wrapped up in this that you're incapable of looking at things objectively. (All of the below were Englishmen)
(cont'd) 1.) Arthur Wiegall - "Flights to Antiquity" - 1924 (Essentially, in this text Wiegall, as one of the first see and document his accounts of Ancient Egypt and clearly described the Pharaohs as "Nigger Kings." Irrespective of the offensive term contrast that to the prevalent smoke and cloud science that developed shortly after those first first publications of people studying Egypt that muddied the waters of who is Black and who is not essentially to steal a millennia of advanced
(cont'd 2) accomplishments from Africans...All of this to justify the egregious treatment of Blacks in the Atlantic slave trade worldwide. It's not a coincidence that the timing of the slave trade at it's peak, which England benefited greatly from, and the cover up of discovering Egypt happened around the same time.
(cont'd 3) 2.) Charles Darwin "The Origin of Species" - 1859
While not a bogus document, it was not accepted and taught until it propagandized into a White racist document placing Whites at the top of the evolutionary ladder all the way up until roughly about 10 years ago. It took Stephen Jay Gould an entire career of research and condemnation begin to turn the tide back towards unbiased science in this area.
(cont'd 4) 3.) Charles Dawson "The Piltdown Man" - 1912
Was a hoax that's not often talked about these days because it's an embarrassment of the worst kind and reveals an underlying racist mindset that corrupts to the core and calls into question all white researchers. This was a clear sham from the beginning...cobbled together bone fragments from disparate places clearly not together was falsely presented as missing link to humankind found in jolly old England.
(cont'd 5) The worst thing and most damning for the scientific community was that this absurdity was taught as fact for nearly a half of a century when it was clear to any anthropologist with eyes that the skeleton was a complete sham from the beginning.
@Imhotep397 and while you seem intelligent (informed, articulate) you have a strange logic. example "racist mindset that corrupts to the core and calls into question all white researchers" I dont see what this rant is about other than to state the obviuos that there have been fabrications in the sciences since uncovered & correcred. You still have not addressed my original piont which is to provide 3 europeans are known to have fabicated accounts about Africans in the 19th C.
(cont'd) Essentially the slow deterioration of the natural world, the only planet WE ALL NEED TO LIVE is in decline specifically because of the "Great White Way." Most diseases that are common now didn't exist in the millions of years of human kind's existence before whitey came on the scene.
@MartinIDavies (The cars comment) This is pretty much what I expected an immediate deflection of the real issue is pretty much a "White Privilege" based notion, which mind you is not obligatory for any non-white group to accept. Under any circumstance if the person that the land was stolen from originally was white there would be no question of ownership in the case of stolen property, but
@Imhotep397 "land stolen from" No land, crops, livestock "ownership" in traditional African societies was at the capricious sufferance of the dominant chiefs who in turn were vassals of more powerful chiefs. In the case of late 19th C pre-Rhodesia this meant the defeated Shona had use of land & livestock at the whim of the Matabele King. You have read some history on traditional African societies haven't you? Facts seem to play no part in your opinions.
(cont'd) because you're white you feel that you have special privilege that allows you to indiscriminately steal and malign others without any repercussions at any point in the present or future. The sick part is that it's an intrinsic belief that you can't even bring yourself to examine. This is why Africans have no sympathy for you and I don't blame them.
Things are perking up in Zimbabwe with the death-by-fire of Joice “Spill Blood” Mujuru’s (Vice President of Zimbabwe) husband Solomon Mujuru ex-military leader & kleptomaniac “owner” of his white owned & seized 3,500 acre farm 50 miles outside Salisbury. It will be interesting to see what happens to Joice now he is dead as the fight to succeed the 82 year old sociopath Mugabe unfolds. As the dogs snarl & attack each other for spoils & power. Can you say end game? Follow the money!
So,wait where are the European countries of origin for all of these people? Why are they not financing the immigration & reestablishment?My understanding is that it's fairly easy to immigrate back Europe for these White people, but they CHOOSE to stay on lands that were acquired with blood money.They could easily have researched the history and made a choice to recognize that the land was ill-gotten to begin with and left, but they choose to remain there as a constant reminder of colonialism.
@Imhotep397 lol it isn't easy to go back to europe, Europe makes it easy for nonwhite refugees and other nonwhites, a white person can't declare refugee status.
@NYBaller35 So, again it's on the European countries. Why aren't these people complaining about the lack of infrastructure to allow them to "immigrate" back(an absurd notion for people that are already inherently British, Dutch, etc.) Why aren't these people requesting complete compensation from their parent countries. The only thing any of these people are concerned about is whether they get to keep their stolen land in Africa and THAT is why Africans have very little if any sympathy.
@NYBaller35 Basically these European countries dropped these people in these places afters decades upon decades of bloodshed and they created no contingency plan for IF things didn't work out longterm? Really?
I personally think it's UNBELIEVABLY, HYSTERICALLY HILARIOUS that any white person outside of Europe with a brain stem could think that they have any right to one square block of land they obtained through bloodshed, ESPECIALLY IN AFRICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Solowizard because it happened a long time ago and if a white person is born there how is it their fault if their great great great grandpa moved to africa
Its interesting to hear some whites whine about injustice but never address whats behind it. Its ok to displace, disrespect and call Africans less than human but complain about KARMA.
There were no i diseases like aids and small pox in africa or the america until white people came
If you allow whites to stay in africa they wiil do just like they did the aztecs in south america kill the indigenous people for the gold and resources....research anglo history, this is fact.....ALL HAIL MUGABE!!!!
i know what this docuentary is about, and for the record i have done extensive research into it, and i've gotta be on the side of the whites (even though im black) i think alot of biases and personally predjudice are clouding the judgement of too many blacks who here about this south african situation... it is by UN standards a genocide
@Rawrlor "black farmers must learn the trade" yes Rhodesian farmers employed ots of Africans. Many Africans ran the farms but not the enterprise but it takes more than knowing what to do. Command of finance & marketing come to mind and that is just for starters something peasant farmers are unable. So the problem remains if you can’t feed yourself then how do you stay alive? Import food? with what?
Well, one can set up the marketing and finance from a different side. I don't know much about farming myself, so I can't comment substantively but something could be worked out between farmers and (honest) accountants.
@Rawrlor "black farmers must learn the trade" who do you think the Rhodesian farmers emplyeed to make the farm work.. Africans.. they know how to run a farm but it takes more than knowing what to do.. you have to have command of finance and marketing something peasant farmers are unable or motivated to do.
john Africans do labour. that is their value like working classes in industrial societies. Do you not get this? It is the outcome from value building skills that gets more rewards. 30 years later poor African peasants are still laboring in the fields it is what peasants do until they can develop skills that are more valuable... but a skill value is intimately locked into a society’s ability to provide opportunity to apply them & Zim has destroyed this is this not abundantly clear?
@john3427 that is a typical refrain from people who insist that the failures of African governments and economies are the result of European racial policies of 50 years ago.. grow up the facts are that sub Saharan African states are all failures in one degree or another the lives of poor peasants immeasurably worse. If you read back you will find not once do I disparage Africans as individuals. Only their Governments who run by inept, corrupt & criminal thugs
@john3427 Peasants do labour in the fields this is an economic fact of life... And no I do not think I am superior to Africans in the least. I consider myself lucky to have been born in the west were governments are responsive & function where economic activity is encouraged & possible... you don’t seem to be able to separate the message from the messenger. you will notice I am polite and am not making hatefull meaningless statements about you.
(cont'd) White people will in a decade or so be completely eliminated from positions of control of any kind and the brief period of transition will blow over leaving the Africans in a better place with both the knowledge and ability to grow and trade, but it will take time. As I've mentioned it's not Zimbabwe's responsibility to satisfy these people on stolen land land it's the responsibility of the countries that settled these people.
@MartinIDavies You are a racist idiot. 3/4 of the countries/trade partners that worked with the Whites in these countries will not work with Blacks once Whites are forcibly moved out of higher level position of power and control. This basically a form of undocumented "Soft Sanctions" and contributes quite a bit to the drop in revenues generated by many African Nations which then tempts politicians thinking about how to save themselves. It's wrong, but they are human.
@Imhotep397 I'm not a racist or an idiot I am however an economic realist... which apparently you are not... get a grip just look at what 50 years of independence has accomplished or more accurately not achieved. White enterprise fed Southern Rhodesia & several neighboring states now it is unable to fed itself. The only variable is the destruction of white enterprise. Is there something about facts you don’t understand?
@MartinIDavies African people, contrary to your personal belief, were actually not just helplessly waiting to die by the millions before before Whitey showed up and decided to appropriate land in Africa. What part of that don't you understand? However much time it takes, frankly it's not your concern except to consider how reparations should continue to be made for basically enslaving a people in their own land without provocation.
@paulyvi LOL as we sit in the shade drinking our iced lemonades I defy you to explain what is going on as the game progresses. I should warn you I have played cricket and I know you have to fight for your right to party
Rhodesia has come and gone. It is not coming back. Accept it, and move on. Look at the possibilities that exist today, not 10 or 30 years ago.
Most of what you hear about Zimbabwe in the media is propaganda.
Has anyone at CNN or the BBC acknowledged the existence of economic sanctions (like ZDERA)? Even as there is a bill in the US Congress called the Zimbabwe Sanctions Repeal Act of 2010, from Senator Jim Inhofe?
It is common knowledge that there are economic sanctions against Zimbabwe? So you, the MDC, the UK and US governments have been lying all along that there are no economic sanctions against Zimbabwe. Doesn't help your argument.
Your arguments are based on delusions. Your 'happy natives' inference of "everybody pulled together" are a case in point. ZANU and ZAPU didn't pull together with Ian Smith to defeat sanctions.
@tigerone1970 "Rhodesia has come and gone" of course it's gone you are very dim.. Time to take responsibilities seriously... the faux victory party is over.. You need to figure out how to govern effectively you’d had 30 years... murdering & scaring the one group that can help is insanity... wake up.. you have destroyed Rhodesia.. now build a replacement that exceeds Rhodesias gifts of the most prosperous country in Africa.. Wake up and shake your delusions from your mind and soul
Actually, you are the dim one. If you had any sense of historic or other awareness, you would know that your cry for days gone by is typical of the former colonial. There are even Americans who think they never lost the Vietnam war, and can't explain why Saigon is now called Ho Chi Minh City.
The land reform program is done and over with. It is not going to be reversed for anyone. It *doesn't matter* in the grand scheme of things whether they are well run or badly run.
They're not yours and never were. Stolen land doesn't become yours because you 'take good care of it'. What matters is that the economy of Zimbabwe (not Rhodesia) works for the people of Zimbabwe, not a tiny minority who were allocated vast estates based on their race.
The Freeths never bought 'their land' from the ZANU-PF government.
@tigerone1970 are you on drugs? ZANU-PF are not a government they are rag tag & bobtail out-of-time rabble of radical racist communist murdering kleptomaniac thugs... masquerading as a legitimate functioning Government. Who’s days are numbered. Hear the clock ticking tick, tick tick..and if you listen very carefully you can hear the sound of looted cash leaving Zim as the soon to be survivors of the Mugabe era begin their escape. From the hell they have created You mean that ZANU?
@tigerone1970 Dim? It is self evident I’m not dim. I’m interested in learning any examples of land reform (to peasants or new elites) that has ever been successful it never works. Failure compounded if subsistence peasants not given large enough acres, nor have agricultural skills & biz acumen to manage modern farms (make no mistake modern farms are what feeds large populations) or has no title to the land enabling loans then you can forget Zim ever prospering while ZUNA madness prevails
It's unlikely that Zim's economic failure is solely due to land reform. Drought as well as US and EU sanctions have something to do with it. Now, you may say that the sanctions don't matter, but if they don't--then why would they be imposed? Which of the Harvard graduates in the US Congress believes that "targeted sanctions" deprive rich leaders like Mugabe anything? The answer: they don't. The sanctions aren't targeted, and recent US repeal attempts have suggested as much.
@Rawrlor I agree sanctions don't help. However we know the entire package of Mugabe & his thieving, inept, murdering cronies are the reason Zim fell into hell. We know how wealthy Zim can be just look at Rhodesia. It is behavior of government & lunatic policies that brought Zim to this sorry state. The one bright spot is hope, hope that as Zim awakens from its self inflicted nightmare then efficient enterprise will be permitted again then Zim's wealth & happiness will return.
I believe that Mugabe's land reform plan in principle was a good idea, but in execution hasn't been up to muster. Farms should have been shared rather than completely confiscated from white farmers, if only because upstart black farmers must learn the trade. If Mugabe had been more meticulous with this public policy, it could have worked for Zim's economic better, but he didn't.
@Rawrlor "black farmers must learn the trade" who do you think the Rhodesian farmers emplyeed to make the farm work.. Africans.. they know how to run a farm but it takes more than knowing what to do.. you have to have command of finance and marketing something peasant farmers are unable or motivated to do.
Perhaps he should entice white farmers, and redo the project the correct way with greater incentives for them as well as training programs for black farmers.
Now, with regards to the US and EU sanctions, I have nothing to say but damn them for their blatant misrepresentations. Part of Zimbabwe's economic failure is due to these liars who portend they are "punishing" Mugabe rather than Zimbabwe just as the US said they were punishing Cuba's leader instead of Cuba.
@Rawrlor "Perhaps he should entice white farmers" strike out the word white, replace with "effective" & we agree. Zim sanctions I’m ashamed to say I don’t know what they entail other than bans on foreign travel, weapons & oil. I am not a big supporter of sanctions. Consider without sanctions we would gain vital intelligence on who the economic players are. Understand their situation, predicament & so able to plan for the “peaceful” transition to a post Mugabe Zim
It's likely the sanctions extend farther than that. I would like to see them lifted so that the "economic players", as you say, behind Zimbabwe's collapse are revealed.
So let’s explore the notion of African “estates”. By 1890s the Matabele “Children of the Stars” a violent offshoot of the Zulus had arrived in what was to become Rhodesia. Run away from the Zulus as due to Mzilikazi kaMashobane over war spoils (sound familiar) they annihilated the Bechua (nice) on their way through the OFS & Bechuanaland. Arriving in what was to become Matabeleland subjugating the Mashona the “Unclean ones” & Amashuina “baboons” turning them into vassals. That 1890s?
Without economic sanctions (actively lobbied for by the MDC), land reform would have worked out just fine. It is working out fine today. Which is why it is such a threat to the continued ownership of land in South Africa, Namibia, Kenya, and Botswana - to a lesser degree.
That is why it had to be made to fail. But the policy itself is sound, just, and the only way forward in Africa.
People have to be able to participate in the economy, and increased land ownership is the way to do it.
By 1899 embryonic Rhodesia born. Intercine tribal wars ended. 1,500 schools (150,000 African pupils). By 1930 400,000 acres of maize, tobacco & fodders beef/dairy, fruits exported to Europe. Inexpensive agricultural loans encouraged Ag Dev. all this before tractors in just 35 years! $350 million from gold. Railways 2,149 miles. Roads 1,600 miles capable of handling motorized vehicles. 212 Post Offices 47 with money services. Large portion of natives employed.
How anyone can defend the actions of Mugabe and his thugs sickens me. The farms could have been taken over peacefully without all the death and destruction. We are talking about a small number of people who built up farms from nothing.
They deserved compensation for a lifetimes hard work.
Instead thaey burnt and looted the farms now nobody has anything. This is a typical example of African misrule but then again they can always play the race card and blame old whitey.
It's easy to show one side of the story by just showing white farmers.And you can read the rage of a lot of people beneath my comment.But what about the black farmers....what about the history of zimbabwe.How did the whites got into this country in the first place before people start crying about..." they treated the blacks of the land good".Ofcourse they did....because they don't want to work on the field by themselves.
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@TheIceman567 Watch the documentary "Mugabe and the white african", at least I think it´s called that. There you will follow this familys struggle to stay alive and keep the right to the land they own. It´s way more brutal then this video...things did not turn for the better.
@neuroleptika sad news. i hate western governments like canada and the usa etc for not stepping in here. instead they go and terrorize civilian populations. here they could defend these farmers so that food could be produced to keep that population fed. it is obvious who is in charge here. the leadership is obligated to satan to spread human misery or they lose their status and privileges that they sold themselves out for and this will continue till the end of the term for this world God willing
@iorixs The problem is that if they reacted efficiently (ie actually doing something useful like sending troops or assassinating dear ol' Rob), there would be a public outcry, not to mention the African Union and Arab League getting uppity. Plus, frankly, apart from lefties, hippies, white suprematists and us white zimbos, who really cares what happens to us? We're either unwanted guilt, or we're getting what we apparently deserve...
The reason the MDC/UK/US governments deny the existence of economic sanctions against Zimbabwe, is because the Zimbawean people would never stand for it. They would never vote MDC again.
But they are a matter of record, they are in Section 4C of the Zimbabwe Democracy and Economic Recovery Act of 2001, titled 'Multilateral Financing Restriction'. They put the Zimbabwean government on a credit freeze in the year 2002, which is what that year the trade surplus and currency collapsed.
If the collapse of trade and the currency was the result of the farm invasions, they would have collapsed in 2000 when they started, and certainly would not have improved (trade that is) in 2001.
Therefore, it were sanctions that created the economic destruction in Zimbabwe, not land redistribution.
Source: FAO/WFP Crop and Food Supply Assessment Mission to Zimbabwe, 5 June 2007
The negative trade deficit is a trade surplus. Notice how despite the farm invasions the trade surplus increased from 2000 to 2001, but drastically turned into a deficit in the year 2002, when ZDERA came into force.
This in fact is ethnic clensing,no more or less,Where are the World leaders,what have they got to say,Where are the movie stars,musiciansm and singers,Where is the UN,We know that the aparthid system was wrong,but does that make this right, You cannot run an economy on fear and oppression,history has shown time and again,This is what happens when Marxist ideoligy meets greed and racisism,Yes whites can be victims of racisim too
Look at life expentancy and unemployment rate in Zimbabwe under white rule, and under black (Mugabe) rule. Dnt have to be very smart to understand what im trying to say.
If blacks think that black rule with save them from poverty let them enjoy it! Want Mugabe, ANC...? Whatever... have it... and enjoy it... You think that white farmers are problem...? Replace them with black ones, and youll see what you get. If I were black in South Africa, I would make a deal with fair and just whites to run the country and establish the rule of law. I think that whites would do more for the benefit of the blacks if those blacks gave them power to do that.
i am a white Zimbabwean,i now live in New Zealand, i went to school with mugabes nephew, nice guy no quams,if anything i think black and white could learn from each other if anything.there is only one planet earth and we are all in this together, yet the differences we seem to forge against each other is destroying our very selves...Zimbabwe has no future...its been given to the dogs. any one left there should get out if posible, our history is broken.
And how exactly does a small family farm make a lot of money without any workers? I'd really like to know because I live on a farm out in the south of France. Maybe you can tell me how to get rich?
This is the only way forward for agriculture in Africa - small scale commercial farming. It leads to the greatest diversification and decentralisation of food production, it raises the incomes of the largest number of people, it pushes money into rural areas, which is where people live, and it keeps people on the land and stops or reverses urbanisation.
tigerone, your idealist view to this matter is absurd! You know full well that what has been to these white farmers was unjust and brutal! The idea of one farmer to a large area is the only way to keep the masses fed! Zimbabwean blacks are realiant on white farmers, just look at the situation now. . . But i say, let those Zanu-PF supporting monkeys suffer, starve, die - but please dont come to SA!
wow, MHlope! And SA has a similar situation. the white Zimbabwe farmers were feeding your asses too! Someone has got to get a clue here! THESE WHITE FARMERS ARE WORTH THEIR WEIGHT IN GOLD!
I lived out there for 12 years too, friends I grew up with live in New Zealand now. A lot of people can't get out because they only have a Zimbabwean Nationality. Zimbabwe is lost. A beautiful country that has been decimated by it's own people. That's the sad thing, the poor black people have been hit the hardest not the white farmers.
Lastly, it makes use of the competitive advantage of Africa - lots of land and lots of people who are unemployed.
The government needs to create the infrastructure in the broadest sense of the word - marketing, education, roads, information on markets and practices.
The money should come from taxing the mining sector for hundreds of millions per year - real economic diversification.
@tigerone1970 excellent idea..do you see that Grace Mugabe or Juluis Malema will do that...no because it will not enrich them, but take white property will.
First we need to get realistic. This is not about persons but about historical processes. Apartheid and colonialism/UDI concentrated huge amounts of land and wealth in the hands of a tiny number of people to enrich them at the cost of the general population - that is not economically, ethically or socially sustainable, as we see in South Africa's soaring crime rate.
In South Africa in 1979, the population was 27 million, in 2010 it is over 50 million, and there is no way land can remain redistributed in a pattern of ownership set in 1913. In Zimbabwe, the population in 1891 was 250,000, today it is 12 million. Whites cannot keep owning almost 50% of the country.
So landreform is inevitable. This is not about Grace Mugabe or Julius Malema or anyone else. The ZANU-PF is not President Mugabe alone - far from it.
@tigerone1970 OK here is an example..In 2002 Mugabe seized Ian Webster’s Folye Farm with 4,000 head. farm renamed Gushungo Dairy Estate and now owned by Grace Mugabe. 2009 herd is now a mere 600 head with DZL Holdings Limited refusing to accept milk due to condemned and Nestle Zimbabwe the only customer stopping operations after being threatened by Police and Govt officials. Oh yes lovely country I wonder how Ian feels about this economic theft and vandalism. Zim we are watching you
You're missing the point. 1% of the population owned nearly 50% of the country. This was the same pattern of land ownership as in 1890, except that then the African population was 250,000, and today it is 12,000,000.
The old land ownership pattern was not only wrong, but it was unsustainable. Just as clinging on to the 10% owning 87% of the country is unsustainable in South Africa. Same with the goldmines being owened by 1 family. Which is why they have all that crime.
@tigerone1970 Yes 12 million people... And just who is going to feed this mass? Not The 'Farmers' that Mugabe has put inplace, you can be sure. Most Likely Western aid. But that will also fail one day. Will they be prepared?
" farm renamed Gushungo Dairy Estate and now owned by Grace Mugabe. "
The 'elite capture' myth is just that. Land has been redistributed to over 320,000 families. If you want to get a detailed survey (rather than anecdotal evidence) of the impact of land reform in Masvingo Province, you should check out "A New Start For Zimbabwe?" by prof. Ian Scoones.
@tigerone1970 Zim “elites” by definition small in numbers meaning Mugabe’ s sycophantic corrupt inept relatives & “liberation veterans” this reminds me of the closing chapter of “Animal Farm” where the pigs pretend to be famers. Ian Webster’s Folye Farm theft is a poster child of the insanity of the corruption & incompetence of these people. On the other extreme turning advanced farms into subsistence farms is economic & agrarian idiocy at its finest resulting in economic chaos.
@tigerone1970 I have seen the land, devastated for mile after mile after mile. Small, squatter families scratching to make enough for them selves, where before the urban masses (12 million...) were fed. I have seen the destruction of the environment, the burning of trees, the killing of wildlife for food. Have you seen this? What have you seen?
@tigerone1970 So why not take something like 20% from each farmer who owns more than x amount of land (big farmers), and give out smaller lots to the black farmers who want to farm. But of course not, just take away everything, jail people and let the farms die - good thinking.
The reason for population growth is white farmers, if you still did not figure it out. Kill white farmers, then starve yourselves and plead Europe to give you aid - "we need food, help us, send us food, my 10 babies..."
" So why not take something like 20% from each farmer who owns more than x amount of land (big farmers), and give out smaller lots to the black farmers who want to farm. "
That's pretty much what happened. A1 farmers received 50 ha or more, A2 250 ha or more (dending on the rainfall in the area).
Over 320,000 families have received land. For a non-propaganda view, check out the article: "A New Start For Zimbabwe?" (google: scoones land reform).
@tigerone1970 You can say what you want, black Zimbabweans are dying under your ideology. And nothing I say can change your mind and you are are aiding your black brother's death. The only people that support this mad idea are the people get the money in their pockets.
" You can say what you want, black Zimbabweans are dying under your ideology. "
Not 'my ideology', but economic sanctions. Just as they were intended to. When the west puts economic sanctions on a country to 'make their economy scream' (Chester Crocker) and have it 'crash and burn' (Eddie Cross), it is to make the people's lives so miserable that they will overthrow their own government. Same in Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Burma. Except there they don't deny their existence.
@tigerone1970 The quality of life of average Zimbabwean is collapsing consider life expectancy in 2008 is 45 years was 60 in 1980… reduced by 25%! yes 15 years or 6 months of less life for every year of Mugabe governance. Infant mortality tells a similar tale from 73.0 per thousand births in 1980 to 58.9 so 14 fewer live Africans. They are being murdered at the womb all at the altar of misguided race rage, govt incompetence and corruption. Why would one want to destroy one scountry?
The economic collapse of Zimbabwe did not coincide with land reform (2000), but with the introduction of economic sanctions (2002), which the likes of Eddie Cross helped draft.
Life expectancy rose throughout the 1980s with universal access to healthcare. It declined in the 1990s because of austerity measures (ESAP) demanded by the IMF/World Bank. It was not improved by the introduction of economic sanctions on top of that.
@tigerone1970 We don’t really know what “they want” do we? I would imagine they want lives that are improving & last longer oh yes & more children staying alive. I find it interesting that Rhodesia was capable of functioning despite sanctions from 1965 to 1980 during which time Rhodesian populations & life expectancies increased. No you are destroying wealth to no purpose.
Because they don't consider it their country and they want their estates back. In the words of Eddie Cross, "Let it crash and burn!" (you can google that). Look at the Freeths, they are lying through their teeth. They did not buy their farms from the government after 1980, but in 1979, from the Ian Smith regime. Nearly all land ownership by 2000 was the same as it was in 1965. (Wikipedia: land reform zimbabwe)
@tigerone1970 This is why the Freeths have the papers to prove their legitimate ownership of their (Now destroyed) farm. You call them liars because you cannot accept truth. This will ever be the downfall of over zealous Black nationalists. How many will you drag to hell to prove your ideology?
I think you may be right, Mr Kiwi. But if you white Zimbabweans "LOVE" Rhodesia like you say you do, then dont just jump up and scramble off. STAY for a while to teach black Zimbabweans the necessary skills to ensure a successful transition. HELP THEM! Dont just desert and then look back while shaking your heads and saying they'll never make it!
@MrKiwizimbo If Zimbabwe had had a white majority that persecuted black minority farmers, as Mugabe did the white farmers, the world would have been outraged. But persecuting and murdering whites is considered acceptable by the Western world. You say that Zimbabwe has no future. I think it's larger than that. I think Africa, the Continent, has no future. Can you name a single African nation today that is not run by a totally corrupt black government? There aren't any and there never will be.
@JackKangaroo1 - Let's pretend for a minute that you are right. My question to you is WHY DO YOU CARE? Stay in Europe and mind Europe. If Africa is so bad, then let it be bad.
@Solowizard It will be difficult for me to "stay in Europe" because I've never been to Europe. I'm an American. I live in New York. And I care about these white farmers because I see some good and decent people being brutalized and treated unfairly while the World looks on with indifference simply because they are WHITE farmers. As for Africa itself on a larger scale, yes, I consider it to be a lost cause and I think that all the foreign aid sent by Europe and America will be wasted.
@JackKangaroo1 - The world looks on and does nothing because to help them White Farmers would be to help perpetuate white colonial rule over Native Peoples. We see this as a moral issue.These are very dangerous times. The rest of the world is already catching plenty of hell from groups like Alqaida that exact revenge to the fullest on this kind of intrusion upon native lands, so the Invasive White Farmers of Zimbabwe must be left to whatever fate awaits them.
@Solowizard Al Queda is not "exacting revenge" for colonial intrusions anywhere. Al Queda is a spear of Islamic intrusion upon other cultures as it exercises "jihad" against the world. Had there never been any colonies, Islamic radicals would still be doing this. As for "leaving the White Farmers" to their fate. Okay, fine, let's expand upon that policy. I say let's leave black Africa to its fate. No more foreign aid, no anti-AIDS efforts, no food relief---let black Africa fend for itself.
@JackKangaroo1 - LMAO! You're funny. NEWS FLASH! There's far too many Blacks from the West and the United Kingdom who are in key positions with established oranizations and mountains of finance behind them.Oprah Winfrey being one of them. Your funny hypothesis will never come to past.
@Solowizard NEWS FLASH! You just admitted that black Africa cannot survive on its own. "Too many blacks from the West and the UK"......."with established organizations and mountains of finance behind them." And who created those organizations and that cash? White people. So you want to leave "white farmers to whatever fate awaits them" while relying upon Western whites to save black Africa. I say, let black Africa fall to whatever fate awaits it. Black Africa is doomed by its own corruption.
@Solowizard There has only been one decent and honest political figure in all of black Africa and that was Nelson Mandella. As for the rest of them, there was Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe, Samora Machel of Mozambique, to name just a few. They are the typical black African politician /dictator /tyrant and they represent what Africa has in store for itself in the future. Black Africa is doomed. We of the Western world should simply accept that and let it sink into the morass of corruption it seeks.
@JackKangaroo1 - You can do whatever YOU like. Others have a different opinion. Me, I am primarily concerned with fixing America first before any other country. I think the best way to do this is to extract and band all illegals for life. Secure our borders by building army bases along them, and keeping tabs on people with Visas from suspect countries, and Americans involved in Domestic Terrorist Groups with a track record of violence like all the White Hate Groups and Street Gangs.
@Solowizard Why are there African people trying to get into Europe? Perhaps because some people go where they feel they have the most opportunity while others stay where they were born in.
@JackKangaroo1 You are right, in order to be a racist, you must first have white skin. Everyone knows only white people can be racist, Robert Mugabe, Dr Mahathir Mohamed and Benjamin Netanyahu all know this and exploit this perception regularly.
@lecroix3 Well I'm certainly glad to hear that those countries you mentioned aren't run by "totally corrupt black governments." The fact that they are only perhaps 50% or 75% corrupt must be something that black Africa is very proud of.
Zimbabwe's inflation is over 15 billion percent per year, with most of the population poor and starving to death. It seems like the goverment there really shot themselves in the head with this one!
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that fact that you are still in zimbabwe is making me feel like you havent learned. You became rich because you abused black people. please give us back whats ours you fucken idiotic pric ,or go to europe and do care work
"WE were fucking them over?" Who is "WE?" Your not even living there either. If you want "your" home why not go live there and farm? Why are so many black people leaving Zimb. now under black rule?
What was his sin and who are you to judge and are you judging the other leaders of the world the same? Probably not because this man is an African who kicked the shit out of some euros! Hahaha - that shit is funny and unheard of! But who backed Mugabe in order for him to accomplish this task; china, russia, the US, etc... Again, he ran off the thieves, why are you mad? Is he not right for doing so?
All of your comments are DISGUSTING! Yes, in the past the whites took the land from the blacks in the 1800s...but that doesn't make it right to do the same now. If there were a way to create wealth for the whole of the country and educate both whites, and blacks on the history and start to FORGIVE! Nothing can happen with out trust and forgiveness. When this happens maybe the GPA can begin working on the economy, the education, the healthcare system....start over.
Guaranteed mugabe has a mental disorder, Whats happened to these people is a complete betrayl by the very nations that originally suppourted their settlement in Africa. These claims of "reclaiming traditional african land" is fucking ludacrous. Rhodesia was a funtioning society, developing economy with leaders although idealistic at least CARED about the general population. All Mugabe cares about is his maninion in borrowdale and the pockets of his corrupt government.
@bertrandfamily20078 By 1899 embryonic Rhodesia born. Intercine tribal wars ended. 1,500 schools (150,000 African pupils). By 1930 400,000 acres of maize, tobacco & fodders beef/dairy, fruits exported to Europe. Inexpensive agricultural loans encouraged Ag Dev. all this before tractors in just 35 years! $350 million from gold. Railways 2,149 miles. Roads 1,600 miles capable of handling motorized vehicles. 212 Post Offices 47 with money services. Large portion of natives employed.
I wish I could get into contact with these people and see whats become of them. They truly are heroes of mankind, they ventured into the unforgiving hell-hole that is and always has been Africa. They made something out of nothing, they fed the monkeys, they put up a glorious fight in the bush war as the rageing primitive Africans (led by mugabe) raped and pillaged their way into rhodesia from zambia and mozambique. These people are amongst the toughest people in the world
I saw the man with the moustache in another clip that was made about 6 months ago with his small daughter, people had taken over his farm and he only occupied the house and could not venture further into his land, there were people coming and breaking his windows during the night he said. I don't know whats happened since, but i have thought about it while watching this alot!
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I am black Zimbabwean, moved to England at the age of 5 and now Im 16. England is my home, just like Zimbabwe is the home of these farmers.I see these comments saying racist things. but the reason that this has all started is because of that very same racism a white man should be allowed to buy and sell land like a black man is in Enlgand.People stop with the racism nothing will be fixed. so stop. it not about race. its about feeding people& the land. God made it for everyone to share.
TheMaterialgirl10 1 week ago
Does anybody know who I can contact about volunteering at the care home featured in this video or somewhere else like it in Zimbabwe? I would love to help these people and I'm serious about moving out there and doing my bit. If anyone knows anyone I can contact or some other way I can help please send me an email. Thanks, tippnick
tippnick 1 month ago
I never understood why back in the 60s and 70s Rhodesia doesn't form union with South Africa. It is time for Boer and English to forget about past histories, unite against the kaffirs, and take back our countries. Like the old saying goes: A good Kaffir is a dead Kaffir.
dtxu1 2 months ago
To the Rastafa1: Before the White man came to Africa, you coons were still eating one another. Now post apartheid, you went back to your roots. Just look at the Congo.
after the Belgians gave up control, these animals went back to killing and raping each other.
Without the White man, negroes go backward instead of forward. All Whites should discontinue all humanitarian aid to Africa. In less then a decade, you will all starve and
die off.
bongolipss 2 months ago
i am so glad you europeons are suffering in africa we africans were fine untill you white people came and raped destroyed and molested your way into power live by the sword you wil die by the sword
TheRastafa1 3 months ago
@TheRastafa1 Looks like Asia is doing alright.
n5017858 1 month ago
@TheRastafa1 Africa would still be people running around naked with spears fighting tribal wars with out the horrible europeans
and who do u think sold America slaves oh right that was black people i wonder where they got them? oh mmm maybe from wars and raiding neighboring villages sounds like a nice place yah ur right Africa was doing great
they didnt even have composite bows just wooden spears and clubs how advanced
Antioxidantt 2 weeks ago
PICK UP THE SWORD, WHERES YOUR MEN RHODESIA, GO AND BLOODY HANG MAGABE, AND ALL HIS HENCHMAN! YOU MUST FIGHT TO BE FREE!
DoRite0207 6 months ago
leave them to it , no aid , or help in any way lets see how long before the whole thing falls apart .
dave2806 6 months ago
The most bizarre thing about all of this is that to me it's like having your car stolen and having the thief put new tires on the car, get it serviced, give it to a relative and when the owner finally locates and moves to claim the vehicle NO ONE WANTS TO RECOGNIZE THAT IT'S A STOLEN CAR.
Imhotep397 6 months ago
@Imhotep397 I‘m expressing opinions I am conveying facts. Once it’s all stolen & enterprise destroyed then the wealth stops flowing. Look at Zim today. This is what has happened in post independence Afria. As to Africans dying by the millions prior to late19th C & arrival of British that is exactly what happened try reading about Matabele invading Mashonaland & murdered & enslaving the entire Mashona people. That’s how Africans treat each other ready to happen again in Zim just watch
MartinIDavies 6 months ago
@MartinIDavies As to the history of the area, pre-19th...All I can say is that quite a few historians were quite "creative" in their documentation of "unbiased historical facts", so I take any documentation coming from white people (with a stake in the matter) with a grain of salt. It's important to note here macro-effects of "The Great White Way" i.e. commercialization and industrialization...it's responsible for the melting Polar caps, the greenhouse effect, water pollution, air pollution.
Imhotep397 6 months ago
@Imhotep397 "creative documentation of unbiased historical facts" Try reading 1st hand accounts of 19th C European explorers & missionaries of what they experiences accounts with African societies then come back & talk about being “creative”. From your rants I am willing to bet that you know nothing about traditional African societies & you pontificate semi-educated racial nonsense about “whitey” what you mean is the modern world that sustains in your comfort – you’re a fool
MartinIDavies 6 months ago
@Imhotep397 To attribute diseases to Europeans is asinine, a lunacy. It’s the wonder of modern biology, chemistry & medical science the products/tools of modernity brought into existence by European civilization that has not only identified diseases but are the means by which we combat them via modern drugs, inoculations & vector control programs. Allowing human, livestock & crop populations to thrive & grow providing us with higher quality and much longer lives. You do know this don’t you?
MartinIDavies 6 months ago
@Imhotep397 You mention that “quite a few historians creative in their documentation of facts". OK you provide 3 European historians who doctored facts in their 1st hand accounts of experiences in 19th C Africa. Outline their fabrications. Meanwhile here are 3 I have read written by real people.
1) Three Years with Lobengula and experiences in South Africa” J Coopper-Chadwick 1894
2) “Among the Matabele” by Rev David Carnegie 1894
3) “A History of Rhodesia” by Howard Hensman 1900
MartinIDavies 6 months ago
@MartinIDavies This is a fairly useless exercise as you'll find some way to rationalize away the truth, but I'll list some things for some people that might want to look into them. Clearly you're so personally wrapped up in this that you're incapable of looking at things objectively. (All of the below were Englishmen)
Imhotep397 6 months ago
(cont'd) 1.) Arthur Wiegall - "Flights to Antiquity" - 1924 (Essentially, in this text Wiegall, as one of the first see and document his accounts of Ancient Egypt and clearly described the Pharaohs as "Nigger Kings." Irrespective of the offensive term contrast that to the prevalent smoke and cloud science that developed shortly after those first first publications of people studying Egypt that muddied the waters of who is Black and who is not essentially to steal a millennia of advanced
Imhotep397 6 months ago
(cont'd 2) accomplishments from Africans...All of this to justify the egregious treatment of Blacks in the Atlantic slave trade worldwide. It's not a coincidence that the timing of the slave trade at it's peak, which England benefited greatly from, and the cover up of discovering Egypt happened around the same time.
Imhotep397 6 months ago
(cont'd 3) 2.) Charles Darwin "The Origin of Species" - 1859
While not a bogus document, it was not accepted and taught until it propagandized into a White racist document placing Whites at the top of the evolutionary ladder all the way up until roughly about 10 years ago. It took Stephen Jay Gould an entire career of research and condemnation begin to turn the tide back towards unbiased science in this area.
Imhotep397 6 months ago
(cont'd 4) 3.) Charles Dawson "The Piltdown Man" - 1912
Was a hoax that's not often talked about these days because it's an embarrassment of the worst kind and reveals an underlying racist mindset that corrupts to the core and calls into question all white researchers. This was a clear sham from the beginning...cobbled together bone fragments from disparate places clearly not together was falsely presented as missing link to humankind found in jolly old England.
Imhotep397 6 months ago
(cont'd 5) The worst thing and most damning for the scientific community was that this absurdity was taught as fact for nearly a half of a century when it was clear to any anthropologist with eyes that the skeleton was a complete sham from the beginning.
Imhotep397 6 months ago
@Imhotep397 and while you seem intelligent (informed, articulate) you have a strange logic. example "racist mindset that corrupts to the core and calls into question all white researchers" I dont see what this rant is about other than to state the obviuos that there have been fabrications in the sciences since uncovered & correcred. You still have not addressed my original piont which is to provide 3 europeans are known to have fabicated accounts about Africans in the 19th C.
MartinIDavies 5 months ago
(cont'd) Essentially the slow deterioration of the natural world, the only planet WE ALL NEED TO LIVE is in decline specifically because of the "Great White Way." Most diseases that are common now didn't exist in the millions of years of human kind's existence before whitey came on the scene.
Imhotep397 6 months ago
@Imhotep397 Cars, LOL what cars Africans didn’t even have the wheel until the Europeans arrived.
MartinIDavies 6 months ago
@MartinIDavies (The cars comment) This is pretty much what I expected an immediate deflection of the real issue is pretty much a "White Privilege" based notion, which mind you is not obligatory for any non-white group to accept. Under any circumstance if the person that the land was stolen from originally was white there would be no question of ownership in the case of stolen property, but
Imhotep397 6 months ago
@Imhotep397 "land stolen from" No land, crops, livestock "ownership" in traditional African societies was at the capricious sufferance of the dominant chiefs who in turn were vassals of more powerful chiefs. In the case of late 19th C pre-Rhodesia this meant the defeated Shona had use of land & livestock at the whim of the Matabele King. You have read some history on traditional African societies haven't you? Facts seem to play no part in your opinions.
MartinIDavies 6 months ago
(cont'd) because you're white you feel that you have special privilege that allows you to indiscriminately steal and malign others without any repercussions at any point in the present or future. The sick part is that it's an intrinsic belief that you can't even bring yourself to examine. This is why Africans have no sympathy for you and I don't blame them.
Imhotep397 6 months ago
Things are perking up in Zimbabwe with the death-by-fire of Joice “Spill Blood” Mujuru’s (Vice President of Zimbabwe) husband Solomon Mujuru ex-military leader & kleptomaniac “owner” of his white owned & seized 3,500 acre farm 50 miles outside Salisbury. It will be interesting to see what happens to Joice now he is dead as the fight to succeed the 82 year old sociopath Mugabe unfolds. As the dogs snarl & attack each other for spoils & power. Can you say end game? Follow the money!
MartinIDavies 6 months ago
So,wait where are the European countries of origin for all of these people? Why are they not financing the immigration & reestablishment?My understanding is that it's fairly easy to immigrate back Europe for these White people, but they CHOOSE to stay on lands that were acquired with blood money.They could easily have researched the history and made a choice to recognize that the land was ill-gotten to begin with and left, but they choose to remain there as a constant reminder of colonialism.
Imhotep397 6 months ago
@Imhotep397 lol it isn't easy to go back to europe, Europe makes it easy for nonwhite refugees and other nonwhites, a white person can't declare refugee status.
NYBaller35 6 months ago
@NYBaller35 So, again it's on the European countries. Why aren't these people complaining about the lack of infrastructure to allow them to "immigrate" back(an absurd notion for people that are already inherently British, Dutch, etc.) Why aren't these people requesting complete compensation from their parent countries. The only thing any of these people are concerned about is whether they get to keep their stolen land in Africa and THAT is why Africans have very little if any sympathy.
Imhotep397 6 months ago
@NYBaller35 Basically these European countries dropped these people in these places afters decades upon decades of bloodshed and they created no contingency plan for IF things didn't work out longterm? Really?
Imhotep397 6 months ago
I personally think it's UNBELIEVABLY, HYSTERICALLY HILARIOUS that any white person outside of Europe with a brain stem could think that they have any right to one square block of land they obtained through bloodshed, ESPECIALLY IN AFRICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Solowizard 6 months ago
@Solowizard Agreed.
Imhotep397 6 months ago
@Solowizard because it happened a long time ago and if a white person is born there how is it their fault if their great great great grandpa moved to africa
TerrenceIII 5 months ago
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toranashredhed 7 months ago
Its interesting to hear some whites whine about injustice but never address whats behind it. Its ok to displace, disrespect and call Africans less than human but complain about KARMA.
tw1704 7 months ago
There were no i diseases like aids and small pox in africa or the america until white people came
If you allow whites to stay in africa they wiil do just like they did the aztecs in south america kill the indigenous people for the gold and resources....research anglo history, this is fact.....ALL HAIL MUGABE!!!!
ConsciousWorld 8 months ago
Why dont the white farmers build tree houses for the kaffirs so they feel at home in the fucking trees and will leave the farmers alone.
MrSasboy777 9 months ago
i know what this docuentary is about, and for the record i have done extensive research into it, and i've gotta be on the side of the whites (even though im black) i think alot of biases and personally predjudice are clouding the judgement of too many blacks who here about this south african situation... it is by UN standards a genocide
P.S what game are the elderly playing?
nubianitalo 9 months ago
Africa is a disaster, total disaster!!! If I was a white person living there , I'd think of leaving.
phantomsuccour 1 year ago 2
@Rawrlor "black farmers must learn the trade" yes Rhodesian farmers employed ots of Africans. Many Africans ran the farms but not the enterprise but it takes more than knowing what to do. Command of finance & marketing come to mind and that is just for starters something peasant farmers are unable. So the problem remains if you can’t feed yourself then how do you stay alive? Import food? with what?
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies
Well, one can set up the marketing and finance from a different side. I don't know much about farming myself, so I can't comment substantively but something could be worked out between farmers and (honest) accountants.
Rawrlor 1 year ago
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@Rawrlor "black farmers must learn the trade" who do you think the Rhodesian farmers emplyeed to make the farm work.. Africans.. they know how to run a farm but it takes more than knowing what to do.. you have to have command of finance and marketing something peasant farmers are unable or motivated to do.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
At 3:48. this guy has had that glass tea mug for a while, we still have some too! circa 1979
205gtist170 1 year ago
Lots of white people resting and playing ball games...
No interviews of black people sweating under the sun I guess?
And the white farmers building these farms did it on their own, right? Black people didn't help them, right?
Such hypocrites!!
john3427 1 year ago
john Africans do labour. that is their value like working classes in industrial societies. Do you not get this? It is the outcome from value building skills that gets more rewards. 30 years later poor African peasants are still laboring in the fields it is what peasants do until they can develop skills that are more valuable... but a skill value is intimately locked into a society’s ability to provide opportunity to apply them & Zim has destroyed this is this not abundantly clear?
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies You are a racist idiot.
john3427 1 year ago
@john3427 that is a typical refrain from people who insist that the failures of African governments and economies are the result of European racial policies of 50 years ago.. grow up the facts are that sub Saharan African states are all failures in one degree or another the lives of poor peasants immeasurably worse. If you read back you will find not once do I disparage Africans as individuals. Only their Governments who run by inept, corrupt & criminal thugs
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies And what is this if not disparaging Africans as individuals "Africans do labour. that is their value"
So you think you are superior because you are not African? Moron!!
john3427 1 year ago
@john3427 Peasants do labour in the fields this is an economic fact of life... And no I do not think I am superior to Africans in the least. I consider myself lucky to have been born in the west were governments are responsive & function where economic activity is encouraged & possible... you don’t seem to be able to separate the message from the messenger. you will notice I am polite and am not making hatefull meaningless statements about you.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
(cont'd) White people will in a decade or so be completely eliminated from positions of control of any kind and the brief period of transition will blow over leaving the Africans in a better place with both the knowledge and ability to grow and trade, but it will take time. As I've mentioned it's not Zimbabwe's responsibility to satisfy these people on stolen land land it's the responsibility of the countries that settled these people.
Imhotep397 6 months ago
@MartinIDavies You are a racist idiot. 3/4 of the countries/trade partners that worked with the Whites in these countries will not work with Blacks once Whites are forcibly moved out of higher level position of power and control. This basically a form of undocumented "Soft Sanctions" and contributes quite a bit to the drop in revenues generated by many African Nations which then tempts politicians thinking about how to save themselves. It's wrong, but they are human.
Imhotep397 6 months ago
@Imhotep397 I'm not a racist or an idiot I am however an economic realist... which apparently you are not... get a grip just look at what 50 years of independence has accomplished or more accurately not achieved. White enterprise fed Southern Rhodesia & several neighboring states now it is unable to fed itself. The only variable is the destruction of white enterprise. Is there something about facts you don’t understand?
MartinIDavies 6 months ago
@MartinIDavies African people, contrary to your personal belief, were actually not just helplessly waiting to die by the millions before before Whitey showed up and decided to appropriate land in Africa. What part of that don't you understand? However much time it takes, frankly it's not your concern except to consider how reparations should continue to be made for basically enslaving a people in their own land without provocation.
Imhotep397 6 months ago
@john3427 I thin he saisd there are only 10 or 12 memebers in the club hardly lots!
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@john3427 so what they play cricket? they r like fuckin 80 years old let em play fuckin cricket! u r so fuckin fulla hate
paulyvi 1 year ago
@paulyvi LOL as we sit in the shade drinking our iced lemonades I defy you to explain what is going on as the game progresses. I should warn you I have played cricket and I know you have to fight for your right to party
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
MartinIDavies,
Rhodesia has come and gone. It is not coming back. Accept it, and move on. Look at the possibilities that exist today, not 10 or 30 years ago.
Most of what you hear about Zimbabwe in the media is propaganda.
Has anyone at CNN or the BBC acknowledged the existence of economic sanctions (like ZDERA)? Even as there is a bill in the US Congress called the Zimbabwe Sanctions Repeal Act of 2010, from Senator Jim Inhofe?
Please check the articles I mentioned.
tigerone1970 1 year ago
@tigerone1970 Sanctions are common knowledge. All your argument is based on falsehood.
KilbrittainFest09 1 year ago
KilbrittainFest09,
" Sanctions are common knowledge. "
It is common knowledge that there are economic sanctions against Zimbabwe? So you, the MDC, the UK and US governments have been lying all along that there are no economic sanctions against Zimbabwe. Doesn't help your argument.
Your arguments are based on delusions. Your 'happy natives' inference of "everybody pulled together" are a case in point. ZANU and ZAPU didn't pull together with Ian Smith to defeat sanctions.
tigerone1970 1 year ago
@tigerone1970 "Rhodesia has come and gone" of course it's gone you are very dim.. Time to take responsibilities seriously... the faux victory party is over.. You need to figure out how to govern effectively you’d had 30 years... murdering & scaring the one group that can help is insanity... wake up.. you have destroyed Rhodesia.. now build a replacement that exceeds Rhodesias gifts of the most prosperous country in Africa.. Wake up and shake your delusions from your mind and soul
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies
Actually, you are the dim one. If you had any sense of historic or other awareness, you would know that your cry for days gone by is typical of the former colonial. There are even Americans who think they never lost the Vietnam war, and can't explain why Saigon is now called Ho Chi Minh City.
The land reform program is done and over with. It is not going to be reversed for anyone. It *doesn't matter* in the grand scheme of things whether they are well run or badly run.
tigerone1970 1 year ago
They're not yours and never were. Stolen land doesn't become yours because you 'take good care of it'. What matters is that the economy of Zimbabwe (not Rhodesia) works for the people of Zimbabwe, not a tiny minority who were allocated vast estates based on their race.
The Freeths never bought 'their land' from the ZANU-PF government.
tigerone1970 1 year ago
@tigerone1970 are you on drugs? ZANU-PF are not a government they are rag tag & bobtail out-of-time rabble of radical racist communist murdering kleptomaniac thugs... masquerading as a legitimate functioning Government. Who’s days are numbered. Hear the clock ticking tick, tick tick..and if you listen very carefully you can hear the sound of looted cash leaving Zim as the soon to be survivors of the Mugabe era begin their escape. From the hell they have created You mean that ZANU?
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
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MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@tigerone1970 Dim? It is self evident I’m not dim. I’m interested in learning any examples of land reform (to peasants or new elites) that has ever been successful it never works. Failure compounded if subsistence peasants not given large enough acres, nor have agricultural skills & biz acumen to manage modern farms (make no mistake modern farms are what feeds large populations) or has no title to the land enabling loans then you can forget Zim ever prospering while ZUNA madness prevails
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies
It's unlikely that Zim's economic failure is solely due to land reform. Drought as well as US and EU sanctions have something to do with it. Now, you may say that the sanctions don't matter, but if they don't--then why would they be imposed? Which of the Harvard graduates in the US Congress believes that "targeted sanctions" deprive rich leaders like Mugabe anything? The answer: they don't. The sanctions aren't targeted, and recent US repeal attempts have suggested as much.
Rawrlor 1 year ago
@Rawrlor I agree sanctions don't help. However we know the entire package of Mugabe & his thieving, inept, murdering cronies are the reason Zim fell into hell. We know how wealthy Zim can be just look at Rhodesia. It is behavior of government & lunatic policies that brought Zim to this sorry state. The one bright spot is hope, hope that as Zim awakens from its self inflicted nightmare then efficient enterprise will be permitted again then Zim's wealth & happiness will return.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies
I believe that Mugabe's land reform plan in principle was a good idea, but in execution hasn't been up to muster. Farms should have been shared rather than completely confiscated from white farmers, if only because upstart black farmers must learn the trade. If Mugabe had been more meticulous with this public policy, it could have worked for Zim's economic better, but he didn't.
Rawrlor 1 year ago
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@Rawrlor "black farmers must learn the trade" who do you think the Rhodesian farmers emplyeed to make the farm work.. Africans.. they know how to run a farm but it takes more than knowing what to do.. you have to have command of finance and marketing something peasant farmers are unable or motivated to do.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies
Perhaps he should entice white farmers, and redo the project the correct way with greater incentives for them as well as training programs for black farmers.
Now, with regards to the US and EU sanctions, I have nothing to say but damn them for their blatant misrepresentations. Part of Zimbabwe's economic failure is due to these liars who portend they are "punishing" Mugabe rather than Zimbabwe just as the US said they were punishing Cuba's leader instead of Cuba.
Rawrlor 1 year ago
@Rawrlor "Perhaps he should entice white farmers" strike out the word white, replace with "effective" & we agree. Zim sanctions I’m ashamed to say I don’t know what they entail other than bans on foreign travel, weapons & oil. I am not a big supporter of sanctions. Consider without sanctions we would gain vital intelligence on who the economic players are. Understand their situation, predicament & so able to plan for the “peaceful” transition to a post Mugabe Zim
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies
It's likely the sanctions extend farther than that. I would like to see them lifted so that the "economic players", as you say, behind Zimbabwe's collapse are revealed.
Rawrlor 1 year ago
So let’s explore the notion of African “estates”. By 1890s the Matabele “Children of the Stars” a violent offshoot of the Zulus had arrived in what was to become Rhodesia. Run away from the Zulus as due to Mzilikazi kaMashobane over war spoils (sound familiar) they annihilated the Bechua (nice) on their way through the OFS & Bechuanaland. Arriving in what was to become Matabeleland subjugating the Mashona the “Unclean ones” & Amashuina “baboons” turning them into vassals. That 1890s?
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
Without economic sanctions (actively lobbied for by the MDC), land reform would have worked out just fine. It is working out fine today. Which is why it is such a threat to the continued ownership of land in South Africa, Namibia, Kenya, and Botswana - to a lesser degree.
That is why it had to be made to fail. But the policy itself is sound, just, and the only way forward in Africa.
People have to be able to participate in the economy, and increased land ownership is the way to do it.
tigerone1970 1 year ago
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By 1899 embryonic Rhodesia born. Intercine tribal wars ended. 1,500 schools (150,000 African pupils). By 1930 400,000 acres of maize, tobacco & fodders beef/dairy, fruits exported to Europe. Inexpensive agricultural loans encouraged Ag Dev. all this before tractors in just 35 years! $350 million from gold. Railways 2,149 miles. Roads 1,600 miles capable of handling motorized vehicles. 212 Post Offices 47 with money services. Large portion of natives employed.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
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MartinIDavies 1 year ago
How anyone can defend the actions of Mugabe and his thugs sickens me. The farms could have been taken over peacefully without all the death and destruction. We are talking about a small number of people who built up farms from nothing.
They deserved compensation for a lifetimes hard work.
Instead thaey burnt and looted the farms now nobody has anything. This is a typical example of African misrule but then again they can always play the race card and blame old whitey.
rupert81 1 year ago
It's easy to show one side of the story by just showing white farmers.And you can read the rage of a lot of people beneath my comment.But what about the black farmers....what about the history of zimbabwe.How did the whites got into this country in the first place before people start crying about..." they treated the blacks of the land good".Ofcourse they did....because they don't want to work on the field by themselves.
This is not emigration....this is occupation.
foreheadboy 1 year ago
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iorixs 1 year ago
Looks like Freddie Mercury.
foxrat123 1 year ago
the mustasch guy got his skull smashed in by negro thugs later, and his father was badly beaten too, they both nearly died.
neuroleptika 1 year ago
@neuroleptika really?
TheIceman567 1 year ago
@TheIceman567 Watch the documentary "Mugabe and the white african", at least I think it´s called that. There you will follow this familys struggle to stay alive and keep the right to the land they own. It´s way more brutal then this video...things did not turn for the better.
neuroleptika 1 year ago
@neuroleptika sad news. i hate western governments like canada and the usa etc for not stepping in here. instead they go and terrorize civilian populations. here they could defend these farmers so that food could be produced to keep that population fed. it is obvious who is in charge here. the leadership is obligated to satan to spread human misery or they lose their status and privileges that they sold themselves out for and this will continue till the end of the term for this world God willing
iorixs 1 year ago
@iorixs The problem is that if they reacted efficiently (ie actually doing something useful like sending troops or assassinating dear ol' Rob), there would be a public outcry, not to mention the African Union and Arab League getting uppity. Plus, frankly, apart from lefties, hippies, white suprematists and us white zimbos, who really cares what happens to us? We're either unwanted guilt, or we're getting what we apparently deserve...
Haergrim 11 months ago
The reason the MDC/UK/US governments deny the existence of economic sanctions against Zimbabwe, is because the Zimbawean people would never stand for it. They would never vote MDC again.
But they are a matter of record, they are in Section 4C of the Zimbabwe Democracy and Economic Recovery Act of 2001, titled 'Multilateral Financing Restriction'. They put the Zimbabwean government on a credit freeze in the year 2002, which is what that year the trade surplus and currency collapsed.
tigerone1970 1 year ago
If the collapse of trade and the currency was the result of the farm invasions, they would have collapsed in 2000 when they started, and certainly would not have improved (trade that is) in 2001.
Therefore, it were sanctions that created the economic destruction in Zimbabwe, not land redistribution.
Source: FAO/WFP Crop and Food Supply Assessment Mission to Zimbabwe, 5 June 2007
Table 1: Zimbabwe - Key economic indicators, 2000–2007
tigerone1970 1 year ago
2000 2001 2002
Tobacco (US$ m)
548.8 594.1 434.6
Trade Deficit in million US$
-295.6 -322.5 18.2
The negative trade deficit is a trade surplus. Notice how despite the farm invasions the trade surplus increased from 2000 to 2001, but drastically turned into a deficit in the year 2002, when ZDERA came into force.
tigerone1970 1 year ago
This in fact is ethnic clensing,no more or less,Where are the World leaders,what have they got to say,Where are the movie stars,musiciansm and singers,Where is the UN,We know that the aparthid system was wrong,but does that make this right, You cannot run an economy on fear and oppression,history has shown time and again,This is what happens when Marxist ideoligy meets greed and racisism,Yes whites can be victims of racisim too
6390721 1 year ago
@flowerboycz You are right but there are people who love Mugabe..why??
am1966ath 1 year ago
Look at life expentancy and unemployment rate in Zimbabwe under white rule, and under black (Mugabe) rule. Dnt have to be very smart to understand what im trying to say.
mariachizg 1 year ago 3
If blacks think that black rule with save them from poverty let them enjoy it! Want Mugabe, ANC...? Whatever... have it... and enjoy it... You think that white farmers are problem...? Replace them with black ones, and youll see what you get. If I were black in South Africa, I would make a deal with fair and just whites to run the country and establish the rule of law. I think that whites would do more for the benefit of the blacks if those blacks gave them power to do that.
mariachizg 1 year ago 2
Organize and fight back or leave, that is your only two choices, if you're not willing to do one of the other, you will die for no reason at all.
rodzilla255 1 year ago
i am a white Zimbabwean,i now live in New Zealand, i went to school with mugabes nephew, nice guy no quams,if anything i think black and white could learn from each other if anything.there is only one planet earth and we are all in this together, yet the differences we seem to forge against each other is destroying our very selves...Zimbabwe has no future...its been given to the dogs. any one left there should get out if posible, our history is broken.
MrKiwizimbo 1 year ago 12
@MrKiwizimbo
If white Zimbabweans had any kind of vision for the future, they should have started land redistribution themselves, decades ago.
The whole model of one giant plantation with one planter/farmer and hundreds of farm workers is obsolete.
They should have broken them up into hundreds of small family farms, and *everyone* could have made a lot of money.
But, they didn't.
And I still can't take the hypocrisy and sanctimony.
tigerone1970 1 year ago
And how exactly does a small family farm make a lot of money without any workers? I'd really like to know because I live on a farm out in the south of France. Maybe you can tell me how to get rich?
SurvivalZombie 1 year ago
I suggest two books:
Making Your Small Farm Profitable, by Ron Macher
Pasteured Poultry Profits, by Joel Salatin
This is the only way forward for agriculture in Africa - small scale commercial farming. It leads to the greatest diversification and decentralisation of food production, it raises the incomes of the largest number of people, it pushes money into rural areas, which is where people live, and it keeps people on the land and stops or reverses urbanisation.
tigerone1970 1 year ago
And look at the consequences of what has actually happened.
Small farms are not as efficient as large farms.
MDJA123456 1 year ago
tigerone, your idealist view to this matter is absurd! You know full well that what has been to these white farmers was unjust and brutal! The idea of one farmer to a large area is the only way to keep the masses fed! Zimbabwean blacks are realiant on white farmers, just look at the situation now. . . But i say, let those Zanu-PF supporting monkeys suffer, starve, die - but please dont come to SA!
mhlope5 1 year ago 2
wow, MHlope! And SA has a similar situation. the white Zimbabwe farmers were feeding your asses too! Someone has got to get a clue here! THESE WHITE FARMERS ARE WORTH THEIR WEIGHT IN GOLD!
DONT BITE THE HAND THAT FEEDS YOU, YOU FOOOOLS!
Amalgamaite 1 year ago
I lived out there for 12 years too, friends I grew up with live in New Zealand now. A lot of people can't get out because they only have a Zimbabwean Nationality. Zimbabwe is lost. A beautiful country that has been decimated by it's own people. That's the sad thing, the poor black people have been hit the hardest not the white farmers.
SurvivalZombie 1 year ago
Lastly, it makes use of the competitive advantage of Africa - lots of land and lots of people who are unemployed.
The government needs to create the infrastructure in the broadest sense of the word - marketing, education, roads, information on markets and practices.
The money should come from taxing the mining sector for hundreds of millions per year - real economic diversification.
tigerone1970 1 year ago
@tigerone1970 excellent idea..do you see that Grace Mugabe or Juluis Malema will do that...no because it will not enrich them, but take white property will.
am1966ath 1 year ago
@am1966ath
First we need to get realistic. This is not about persons but about historical processes. Apartheid and colonialism/UDI concentrated huge amounts of land and wealth in the hands of a tiny number of people to enrich them at the cost of the general population - that is not economically, ethically or socially sustainable, as we see in South Africa's soaring crime rate.
tigerone1970 1 year ago
In South Africa in 1979, the population was 27 million, in 2010 it is over 50 million, and there is no way land can remain redistributed in a pattern of ownership set in 1913. In Zimbabwe, the population in 1891 was 250,000, today it is 12 million. Whites cannot keep owning almost 50% of the country.
So landreform is inevitable. This is not about Grace Mugabe or Julius Malema or anyone else. The ZANU-PF is not President Mugabe alone - far from it.
tigerone1970 1 year ago
@tigerone1970 the murder in South Africa against white farmers is racially motivated..they don t steal anything, just rape and kill and vandalize.
am1966ath 1 year ago
@tigerone1970 Sabrina Mugabe, Mugabe's older sister wanted a farm and so had had the farmer murdered and moved in a week later. Who made Mugabe God?
sparklepr 1 year ago
@sparklepr
Please cite your source. Also, President Mugabe is in his 80s. He has an older sister? Is she calling out hits from Golden Acres?
Like I said, please cite your source.
tigerone1970 1 year ago
@tigerone1970 OK here is an example..In 2002 Mugabe seized Ian Webster’s Folye Farm with 4,000 head. farm renamed Gushungo Dairy Estate and now owned by Grace Mugabe. 2009 herd is now a mere 600 head with DZL Holdings Limited refusing to accept milk due to condemned and Nestle Zimbabwe the only customer stopping operations after being threatened by Police and Govt officials. Oh yes lovely country I wonder how Ian feels about this economic theft and vandalism. Zim we are watching you
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies
You're missing the point. 1% of the population owned nearly 50% of the country. This was the same pattern of land ownership as in 1890, except that then the African population was 250,000, and today it is 12,000,000.
The old land ownership pattern was not only wrong, but it was unsustainable. Just as clinging on to the 10% owning 87% of the country is unsustainable in South Africa. Same with the goldmines being owened by 1 family. Which is why they have all that crime.
tigerone1970 1 year ago
@tigerone1970 Yes 12 million people... And just who is going to feed this mass? Not The 'Farmers' that Mugabe has put inplace, you can be sure. Most Likely Western aid. But that will also fail one day. Will they be prepared?
KilbrittainFest09 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies
" farm renamed Gushungo Dairy Estate and now owned by Grace Mugabe. "
The 'elite capture' myth is just that. Land has been redistributed to over 320,000 families. If you want to get a detailed survey (rather than anecdotal evidence) of the impact of land reform in Masvingo Province, you should check out "A New Start For Zimbabwe?" by prof. Ian Scoones.
tigerone1970 1 year ago
@tigerone1970 Zim “elites” by definition small in numbers meaning Mugabe’ s sycophantic corrupt inept relatives & “liberation veterans” this reminds me of the closing chapter of “Animal Farm” where the pigs pretend to be famers. Ian Webster’s Folye Farm theft is a poster child of the insanity of the corruption & incompetence of these people. On the other extreme turning advanced farms into subsistence farms is economic & agrarian idiocy at its finest resulting in economic chaos.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@tigerone1970 I have seen the land, devastated for mile after mile after mile. Small, squatter families scratching to make enough for them selves, where before the urban masses (12 million...) were fed. I have seen the destruction of the environment, the burning of trees, the killing of wildlife for food. Have you seen this? What have you seen?
KilbrittainFest09 1 year ago
@tigerone1970 So why not take something like 20% from each farmer who owns more than x amount of land (big farmers), and give out smaller lots to the black farmers who want to farm. But of course not, just take away everything, jail people and let the farms die - good thinking.
The reason for population growth is white farmers, if you still did not figure it out. Kill white farmers, then starve yourselves and plead Europe to give you aid - "we need food, help us, send us food, my 10 babies..."
infiltr80r 1 year ago
@infiltr80r
" So why not take something like 20% from each farmer who owns more than x amount of land (big farmers), and give out smaller lots to the black farmers who want to farm. "
That's pretty much what happened. A1 farmers received 50 ha or more, A2 250 ha or more (dending on the rainfall in the area).
Over 320,000 families have received land. For a non-propaganda view, check out the article: "A New Start For Zimbabwe?" (google: scoones land reform).
tigerone1970 1 year ago
@tigerone1970 You can say what you want, black Zimbabweans are dying under your ideology. And nothing I say can change your mind and you are are aiding your black brother's death. The only people that support this mad idea are the people get the money in their pockets.
Michael6609 1 year ago
@Michael6609
" You can say what you want, black Zimbabweans are dying under your ideology. "
Not 'my ideology', but economic sanctions. Just as they were intended to. When the west puts economic sanctions on a country to 'make their economy scream' (Chester Crocker) and have it 'crash and burn' (Eddie Cross), it is to make the people's lives so miserable that they will overthrow their own government. Same in Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Burma. Except there they don't deny their existence.
tigerone1970 1 year ago
@tigerone1970 The quality of life of average Zimbabwean is collapsing consider life expectancy in 2008 is 45 years was 60 in 1980… reduced by 25%! yes 15 years or 6 months of less life for every year of Mugabe governance. Infant mortality tells a similar tale from 73.0 per thousand births in 1980 to 58.9 so 14 fewer live Africans. They are being murdered at the womb all at the altar of misguided race rage, govt incompetence and corruption. Why would one want to destroy one scountry?
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
The economic collapse of Zimbabwe did not coincide with land reform (2000), but with the introduction of economic sanctions (2002), which the likes of Eddie Cross helped draft.
Life expectancy rose throughout the 1980s with universal access to healthcare. It declined in the 1990s because of austerity measures (ESAP) demanded by the IMF/World Bank. It was not improved by the introduction of economic sanctions on top of that.
tigerone1970 1 year ago
@tigerone1970 We don’t really know what “they want” do we? I would imagine they want lives that are improving & last longer oh yes & more children staying alive. I find it interesting that Rhodesia was capable of functioning despite sanctions from 1965 to 1980 during which time Rhodesian populations & life expectancies increased. No you are destroying wealth to no purpose.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@MartinIDavies, Well said. Rhodseia thrived under sanctions because it's people pulled together. Now they are beaten together.
KilbrittainFest09 1 year ago
" Why would one want to destroy ones country? "
Because they don't consider it their country and they want their estates back. In the words of Eddie Cross, "Let it crash and burn!" (you can google that). Look at the Freeths, they are lying through their teeth. They did not buy their farms from the government after 1980, but in 1979, from the Ian Smith regime. Nearly all land ownership by 2000 was the same as it was in 1965. (Wikipedia: land reform zimbabwe)
tigerone1970 1 year ago
@tigerone1970 This is why the Freeths have the papers to prove their legitimate ownership of their (Now destroyed) farm. You call them liars because you cannot accept truth. This will ever be the downfall of over zealous Black nationalists. How many will you drag to hell to prove your ideology?
KilbrittainFest09 1 year ago
I think you may be right, Mr Kiwi. But if you white Zimbabweans "LOVE" Rhodesia like you say you do, then dont just jump up and scramble off. STAY for a while to teach black Zimbabweans the necessary skills to ensure a successful transition. HELP THEM! Dont just desert and then look back while shaking your heads and saying they'll never make it!
Amalgamaite 1 year ago
@Amalgamaite it is very hard to stay when you are discriminated against and whatever you will build up will be taken from you.
am1966ath 1 year ago
@MrKiwizimbo If Zimbabwe had had a white majority that persecuted black minority farmers, as Mugabe did the white farmers, the world would have been outraged. But persecuting and murdering whites is considered acceptable by the Western world. You say that Zimbabwe has no future. I think it's larger than that. I think Africa, the Continent, has no future. Can you name a single African nation today that is not run by a totally corrupt black government? There aren't any and there never will be.
JackKangaroo1 1 year ago 10
@JackKangaroo1 - Let's pretend for a minute that you are right. My question to you is WHY DO YOU CARE? Stay in Europe and mind Europe. If Africa is so bad, then let it be bad.
Solowizard 6 months ago
@Solowizard It will be difficult for me to "stay in Europe" because I've never been to Europe. I'm an American. I live in New York. And I care about these white farmers because I see some good and decent people being brutalized and treated unfairly while the World looks on with indifference simply because they are WHITE farmers. As for Africa itself on a larger scale, yes, I consider it to be a lost cause and I think that all the foreign aid sent by Europe and America will be wasted.
JackKangaroo1 6 months ago
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Solowizard 6 months ago
@JackKangaroo1 - The world looks on and does nothing because to help them White Farmers would be to help perpetuate white colonial rule over Native Peoples. We see this as a moral issue.These are very dangerous times. The rest of the world is already catching plenty of hell from groups like Alqaida that exact revenge to the fullest on this kind of intrusion upon native lands, so the Invasive White Farmers of Zimbabwe must be left to whatever fate awaits them.
Solowizard 6 months ago
@Solowizard Al Queda is not "exacting revenge" for colonial intrusions anywhere. Al Queda is a spear of Islamic intrusion upon other cultures as it exercises "jihad" against the world. Had there never been any colonies, Islamic radicals would still be doing this. As for "leaving the White Farmers" to their fate. Okay, fine, let's expand upon that policy. I say let's leave black Africa to its fate. No more foreign aid, no anti-AIDS efforts, no food relief---let black Africa fend for itself.
JackKangaroo1 6 months ago
@JackKangaroo1 - LMAO! You're funny. NEWS FLASH! There's far too many Blacks from the West and the United Kingdom who are in key positions with established oranizations and mountains of finance behind them.Oprah Winfrey being one of them. Your funny hypothesis will never come to past.
Solowizard 6 months ago
@Solowizard NEWS FLASH! You just admitted that black Africa cannot survive on its own. "Too many blacks from the West and the UK"......."with established organizations and mountains of finance behind them." And who created those organizations and that cash? White people. So you want to leave "white farmers to whatever fate awaits them" while relying upon Western whites to save black Africa. I say, let black Africa fall to whatever fate awaits it. Black Africa is doomed by its own corruption.
JackKangaroo1 6 months ago
@Solowizard There has only been one decent and honest political figure in all of black Africa and that was Nelson Mandella. As for the rest of them, there was Idi Amin, Robert Mugabe, Samora Machel of Mozambique, to name just a few. They are the typical black African politician /dictator /tyrant and they represent what Africa has in store for itself in the future. Black Africa is doomed. We of the Western world should simply accept that and let it sink into the morass of corruption it seeks.
JackKangaroo1 6 months ago
@JackKangaroo1 - You can do whatever YOU like. Others have a different opinion. Me, I am primarily concerned with fixing America first before any other country. I think the best way to do this is to extract and band all illegals for life. Secure our borders by building army bases along them, and keeping tabs on people with Visas from suspect countries, and Americans involved in Domestic Terrorist Groups with a track record of violence like all the White Hate Groups and Street Gangs.
Solowizard 6 months ago
@Solowizard Why are there African people trying to get into Europe? Perhaps because some people go where they feel they have the most opportunity while others stay where they were born in.
n5017858 1 month ago
@JackKangaroo1 You are right, in order to be a racist, you must first have white skin. Everyone knows only white people can be racist, Robert Mugabe, Dr Mahathir Mohamed and Benjamin Netanyahu all know this and exploit this perception regularly.
n5017858 1 month ago
@JackKangaroo1 Mozambique, Ghana, Somaliland, and Botswana are a few countries in Africa that are not run by a totally corrupt black governments.
lecroix3 3 weeks ago
@lecroix3 Well I'm certainly glad to hear that those countries you mentioned aren't run by "totally corrupt black governments." The fact that they are only perhaps 50% or 75% corrupt must be something that black Africa is very proud of.
JackKangaroo1 3 weeks ago
@MrKiwizimbo No wonder New Zealand is such a racist shit hole, it's being populated by most of yous.
Microglia1 8 months ago
@MrKiwizimbo - You now live in New Zealand. Another stolen land.
Solowizard 6 months ago
Zimbabwe's inflation is over 15 billion percent per year, with most of the population poor and starving to death. It seems like the goverment there really shot themselves in the head with this one!
thetechnoPIMP 2 years ago 2
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that fact that you are still in zimbabwe is making me feel like you havent learned. You became rich because you abused black people. please give us back whats ours you fucken idiotic pric ,or go to europe and do care work
mashonganyika 2 years ago
@mashonganyika ,
Dear friend,
I understand your concerns, but anger and revenge will destroy Zimbabwe's economy........So please think another way of enriching the blacks....
anant14 2 years ago 8
@anant14
tell Britain to remove sanctions then...
angelusp777 8 months ago
when you where fucking black people over you didnt think it was going to end like thiss did u? you fuckrn plongers!!
mashonganyika 2 years ago
"WE were fucking them over?" Who is "WE?" Your not even living there either. If you want "your" home why not go live there and farm? Why are so many black people leaving Zimb. now under black rule?
batmanboyman 2 years ago
How very very sad. Thanks again for posting this video.
TreblePop 2 years ago
What was his sin and who are you to judge and are you judging the other leaders of the world the same? Probably not because this man is an African who kicked the shit out of some euros! Hahaha - that shit is funny and unheard of! But who backed Mugabe in order for him to accomplish this task; china, russia, the US, etc... Again, he ran off the thieves, why are you mad? Is he not right for doing so?
cmptrwhiz 2 years ago
Aid is beginning to enter Zimbabwe to make this possible. But racist comments are not what is needed to get the country back on its feet!
Nicholerg 2 years ago
All of your comments are DISGUSTING! Yes, in the past the whites took the land from the blacks in the 1800s...but that doesn't make it right to do the same now. If there were a way to create wealth for the whole of the country and educate both whites, and blacks on the history and start to FORGIVE! Nothing can happen with out trust and forgiveness. When this happens maybe the GPA can begin working on the economy, the education, the healthcare system....start over.
Nicholerg 2 years ago
Guaranteed mugabe has a mental disorder, Whats happened to these people is a complete betrayl by the very nations that originally suppourted their settlement in Africa. These claims of "reclaiming traditional african land" is fucking ludacrous. Rhodesia was a funtioning society, developing economy with leaders although idealistic at least CARED about the general population. All Mugabe cares about is his maninion in borrowdale and the pockets of his corrupt government.
bertrandfamily20078 2 years ago 7
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@bertrandfamily20078 By 1899 embryonic Rhodesia born. Intercine tribal wars ended. 1,500 schools (150,000 African pupils). By 1930 400,000 acres of maize, tobacco & fodders beef/dairy, fruits exported to Europe. Inexpensive agricultural loans encouraged Ag Dev. all this before tractors in just 35 years! $350 million from gold. Railways 2,149 miles. Roads 1,600 miles capable of handling motorized vehicles. 212 Post Offices 47 with money services. Large portion of natives employed.
MartinIDavies 1 year ago
@bertrandfamily20078
" Rhodesia was a funtioning society, developing economy with leaders although idealistic at least CARED about the general population. "
Next you're going to say the Africans were 'happy'. Of course it took a bunch of communists to tell them that they should rebel, right?
(The only problem with that is that they have been fighting to get their land back since it was stolen in 1890.)
tigerone1970 1 year ago
I wish I could get into contact with these people and see whats become of them. They truly are heroes of mankind, they ventured into the unforgiving hell-hole that is and always has been Africa. They made something out of nothing, they fed the monkeys, they put up a glorious fight in the bush war as the rageing primitive Africans (led by mugabe) raped and pillaged their way into rhodesia from zambia and mozambique. These people are amongst the toughest people in the world
bertrandfamily20078 2 years ago
I saw the man with the moustache in another clip that was made about 6 months ago with his small daughter, people had taken over his farm and he only occupied the house and could not venture further into his land, there were people coming and breaking his windows during the night he said. I don't know whats happened since, but i have thought about it while watching this alot!
loki6993 2 years ago