You will pay 17% of your paycheck. There is a base minimum even if you are not working. Failure to pay 2 months out of any one year and you go to prison. Home owners will forfeit their homes if they cannot make the monthly payments, it is part of the fine. It violates the 13th Amendment of Involuntary Servitude.
I wouldnt have the money to pay for it monthly due to the few hours i get and all the money i make goes to gas and insurance. So I would have to pay the $1,200 tax fine for not having government insurance.
@CalebCross, you say "I'm gonna have to pay more money for government healthcare then I make and you know, I just don't think that's right" and "I just don't believe it's right to put students in the position to pay for government healthcare just because a few people can't afford it themselves". Do you have links to support your claims?
The reality is being a student athlete is irrelevent as there isn't a special student and/or athlete tax, and no one pays more tax then they make.
@CaleCross, as for the "few people can't afford" healthcare, that may include you now that you're 18 and a poor student athlete, and 47M other Americans or 15% of the population. What about these "few"?
A 1% tax increase on incomes over $1M will cover the 15% Americans without insurance.
@CaleCross, you said you went without insurance for awhile. Luckily you're an athlete in peak health so it didn't matter. Then again you could have been hit by a bus. What then?
Without insurance you'd end up with 10s if not 100s of 1000s in medical bills. How could you afford college then?
In every other industrialized nation you'd be covered by universal healthcare and would go onto college debt free.
But hey keep listening to big business and insurance industry shills like HTWW.
You're right i could have been hit by a bus. but thats the risk you take not having health insurance. You say that every other industrialized nation has its own healthcare... What does that do for the medical field of those countries? Many doctors try to get to the United States for the pay that doctors get.
But you keep listening to your democratic and socialist shills.
@CalebCross, in a compassionate society catastrophic risks are mitigated, and understanding that is the corner stone of universal healthcare.
You're an advocate for over paid US doctors and a private health care system that charges 100% and more for treatment and drugs and yet doesn't cover the entire population, creates over 50% of all personal bankruptcies, and causes Americans to die 3-4 years earlier then other inudstrialized nations?
And as soon as the healthcare bill passes, most locals doctors will go out of business because they wont be able to afford it anymore due to the low income they will make because of government healthcare. I dont know about you but I have had the same small town doctor since i was born and would hate to have to go see someone else. and the nobel prize has become a joke... If Obama can get one for wanting to do something then why cant I get one for wanting to give everyone a high five?
@CalebCross, are you consulting health insurance shills?
You say "local doctors will go out of business". Really? It seems every industrial nation with universal healthcare still has local doctors. Why is that?
So think the peace prize is a joke, but I don't see the connection to the medical, physics, chemistry, literature, and economics nobel prizes. Please explain.
If Obama deserved the peace prize he should have been awarded it after his efforts could be evaluated in hindsight.
I dont have to make a connection with the peace prize you brought it up haha. Look at the local doctors there and here. The ones here make a very good income if they are an established source of healthcare. If National healthcare sets in their income will be cut dramatically.
@CalebCross, it seems the Nobel committee, like the rest of the world, is relieved to have a US President that is commited to environmental issues, and they proactively awarded him the peace prize. It would have been more prudent to wait and see how Obama's effort worked out. As well I would have hoped Obama would refusal the award until his initiatives panned out.
The other Nobel prizes are pennacles of recognition in their respective fields.
Haha why dont I get a peace prize for wanting to do something? Global Warming has been proven false many times so environmental issues arent even a strong arguing point.
@CalebCross, you'll find this funny PnLqoRtUAVg. But what you and Crowder fail to realize is that your postings on youtube don't compare to the President's initiatives.
You say "Global Warming has been proven false many times". How so? In right wing blogs? In a few minute "debate" on FoxNews? Send me the link to one non-partisan study that supports your claim.
By the way the upcoming climate summit will be attended by 15000, including 100 world leaders, but you think it's all a hoax.
15%... that seems like a small percentage to me. But I could be wrong... I think the 85% that have it together shouldnt have to pay more for their insurance. I am covered until I graduate by my dads insurance so I am not in that 15%
@calebCross, if 15% is such a small precentage then why are you bitching about the ultra rich paying 1% of any income over $1M. If 15% is such a small amount then why don't you donate 15% of your earnings to charity?
The 85% that are covered still have to deal with deductables, refused payments, increased premiums, etc. Not the case under universal healthcare.
Private insurance costs atleast 50% more then universal healthcare, does not cover everyone, and people die 3-4 years earlier.
Because the ultra rich earned that money and they shouldnt have to pay for those who are to lazy to try to find a job or those who rather live off the government instead of making a life for themselves. and just so you know I donate almost 10 hours a week to volunteer programs.
The 85% that are covered, most of which are through a business or company, are actually working to pay for it. Instead of wanting to live off the government.
@CalebCross, the ultra rich didn't personally earn a tiny fraction of the money you give them credit for. The vast majority of the rich earn money through others.
It's touching that you want to protect the ultra rich, but logic says that contributions should be proportional to what people can afford. Poor pay little to nothing, while the rich pay much more.
Contributing 10 hours is entirely different then donating 15% of your earnings.
How much did you pay for your pre-college eduation?
Just because people have money doesnt mean they should cover people who dont. Thats life. People cant bail you out of everything. At some point people need to take charge and get it themselves.
And I know the difference between 10 hours and 15%. I already explained most of my income goes to my car insurance and gas but I still make time to give to the community.
@CalebCross, did you ever think that the health insurance industry and doctors are milking the Amercian public?
Citizenship comes with responsibilities. Among those are paying taxes, and in returen the government provides critical services like the military. Poor students like you however are given a reprive from taxes as you get established, while the ultra rich can and are requierd to more. Taxes are based on ability to pay. That's life.
I agree some prices insurance companies charge and the price for medical treatment sometimes is questionable. But thats why 15% of Americans dont have health insurance where as 85% do.
Why tax people even more to cover for people who already live off of the government?
@CalebCross, why do medical procedures cost much more in the US then anywhere in the world? Why do the same name brand drugs cost much less outside the US? The drug and insurance industry are milking Americans; they are not altruistic.
Any American with a "pre-existing" condition can't get insurance and/or the premium costs are prohibitive.
How much tax did you pay when you were in high school and "living off the government"?
The rich should pay more tax because they can afford to.
Its supported by logic... If I am a student athlete that leaves very little time to work... I work around 10-20 hours a week... Most money goes to my gas and car insurance. And if I dont get the Gov offered healthcare I will have to pay an extra $1,200 on my taxes... I can not afford that.
@CalebCross, as a student with minimal income and loads of tax deductions you shouldn't be paying any tax, and probably qualify for a tax refund.
If you're covered by your Dad's healthcare plan then you are not required to pay for the government plan. Only those that have no coverage pay a surtax.
I do get all my state and federal taxes back. But I never see a penny of my social security tax. Even when I do get my refund its not an amazing check.
The coverage my dad has already said that if national healthcare is passed their premium will increase... Thats a problem. If it increases too much and we have to switch to National healthcare then I cant afford it.
America needs to be aware that we are heading towards being a socialist nation.
@CalebCross, so you get a refund, and so you don't "pay more tax then you earn".
Why would passing national health care increase your Dad's private insurance premiums? A scare tactic?
You use "socialist" as if it was a bad word.
Socialistic techniques won WW2.
Why are you against purely social institutions like public libraries?
Knowledge use to be in the hands of the rich who could afford private book collections, but public libraries have made knowledge accessible to the masses.
My refunds are usually around $80. Now I dont know about you but there seems to be a big difference in $1,200 and $80...
Healthcare would increase my dads premium because more people would switch to that and that would cause private healthcare to go up to still be able to offer the same level of service.
Socialism isnt what America is about. Its about working hard and earning what you get. Not waiting for the government to take care of you by punishing those who have made themselves someth
@CalebCross, as a student I'd earn about $15000 over the summer and after deductions would net a $2000 refund. You need a better accountant.
Now why would people abandon the loving/caring/efficient/non-rationing/altruistic insurance companies to go with an inefficient/bureaucratic/rationing/death panel government option?
Wrong. Things are proportional, less policy holders means less payouts, and so the insurance premiums should remain stable, if not go down to compete with Obamacare.
@CalebCross, if you really believe America should ban socialism, then you need to pay up for that "free" pre-college education you got, never use facilities like the public library, fight your own wars, etc.
If you were part of a small tribe in the middle of a desert, you'd readily realize that you're better off contributing to the common good. And yes that's socialism. The reality that the American tribe is over 300 million doesn't change anything, but you can't see the forest for the tree.
I have paid for my education. I went to private school for more then half of my education and went to public high school to get exposure for baseball. And I think having to deal with disrespect, ignorance, and ungratefulness of students is more than enough payment.
Last time I checked the Draft was inactive and millitary was a volunteer service... So if you are comparing that to ObamaCare then basically you are saying the rich should donate to ObamaCare...
@CalebCross, you paid for your primary education? No your parents paid. Where did all your parent's money and private education get you? No where, as you graduated from high school at the same time as everyone else.
I never mentioned the draft, but yes in a time of need, part of citizenship obligations could include serving, and the poor do it much more readily then the rich.
What I've been saying is that ability to pay means the rich should be taxed at a higher rate.
@CalebCross, didn't you say you were a big strapping athlete? Why don't you ditch your minimum wage part time job and your money hole of a car, concentrate on school, and work full time construction in the summer for real money, like I did.
You say "Gov health care will be cheaper then the private insurance"? How can the inefficient altruistic government out compete the brutally efficient insurance industry?
You will pay 17% of your paycheck. There is a base minimum even if you are not working. Failure to pay 2 months out of any one year and you go to prison. Home owners will forfeit their homes if they cannot make the monthly payments, it is part of the fine. It violates the 13th Amendment of Involuntary Servitude.
kimbeanie 2 years ago
why do you have to pay more for health care than what you make, isnt it taxable based on you income?
plasterbricks 2 years ago
I wouldnt have the money to pay for it monthly due to the few hours i get and all the money i make goes to gas and insurance. So I would have to pay the $1,200 tax fine for not having government insurance.
CalebCross 2 years ago
@CalebCross, you say "I'm gonna have to pay more money for government healthcare then I make and you know, I just don't think that's right" and "I just don't believe it's right to put students in the position to pay for government healthcare just because a few people can't afford it themselves". Do you have links to support your claims?
The reality is being a student athlete is irrelevent as there isn't a special student and/or athlete tax, and no one pays more tax then they make.
ZangaroZen 2 years ago
@CaleCross, as for the "few people can't afford" healthcare, that may include you now that you're 18 and a poor student athlete, and 47M other Americans or 15% of the population. What about these "few"?
A 1% tax increase on incomes over $1M will cover the 15% Americans without insurance.
ZangaroZen 2 years ago
@CaleCross, you said you went without insurance for awhile. Luckily you're an athlete in peak health so it didn't matter. Then again you could have been hit by a bus. What then?
Without insurance you'd end up with 10s if not 100s of 1000s in medical bills. How could you afford college then?
In every other industrialized nation you'd be covered by universal healthcare and would go onto college debt free.
But hey keep listening to big business and insurance industry shills like HTWW.
ZangaroZen 2 years ago
You're right i could have been hit by a bus. but thats the risk you take not having health insurance. You say that every other industrialized nation has its own healthcare... What does that do for the medical field of those countries? Many doctors try to get to the United States for the pay that doctors get.
But you keep listening to your democratic and socialist shills.
CalebCross 2 years ago
@CalebCross, in a compassionate society catastrophic risks are mitigated, and understanding that is the corner stone of universal healthcare.
You're an advocate for over paid US doctors and a private health care system that charges 100% and more for treatment and drugs and yet doesn't cover the entire population, creates over 50% of all personal bankruptcies, and causes Americans to die 3-4 years earlier then other inudstrialized nations?
Where does the US ranks for medical nobel prizes?
ZangaroZen 2 years ago
And as soon as the healthcare bill passes, most locals doctors will go out of business because they wont be able to afford it anymore due to the low income they will make because of government healthcare. I dont know about you but I have had the same small town doctor since i was born and would hate to have to go see someone else. and the nobel prize has become a joke... If Obama can get one for wanting to do something then why cant I get one for wanting to give everyone a high five?
CalebCross 2 years ago
@CalebCross, are you consulting health insurance shills?
You say "local doctors will go out of business". Really? It seems every industrial nation with universal healthcare still has local doctors. Why is that?
So think the peace prize is a joke, but I don't see the connection to the medical, physics, chemistry, literature, and economics nobel prizes. Please explain.
If Obama deserved the peace prize he should have been awarded it after his efforts could be evaluated in hindsight.
ZangaroZen 2 years ago
I dont have to make a connection with the peace prize you brought it up haha. Look at the local doctors there and here. The ones here make a very good income if they are an established source of healthcare. If National healthcare sets in their income will be cut dramatically.
CalebCross 2 years ago
@CalebCross, it seems the Nobel committee, like the rest of the world, is relieved to have a US President that is commited to environmental issues, and they proactively awarded him the peace prize. It would have been more prudent to wait and see how Obama's effort worked out. As well I would have hoped Obama would refusal the award until his initiatives panned out.
The other Nobel prizes are pennacles of recognition in their respective fields.
Doctors ever where make a great income.
ZangaroZen 2 years ago
Haha why dont I get a peace prize for wanting to do something? Global Warming has been proven false many times so environmental issues arent even a strong arguing point.
CalebCross 2 years ago
@CalebCross, you'll find this funny PnLqoRtUAVg. But what you and Crowder fail to realize is that your postings on youtube don't compare to the President's initiatives.
You say "Global Warming has been proven false many times". How so? In right wing blogs? In a few minute "debate" on FoxNews? Send me the link to one non-partisan study that supports your claim.
By the way the upcoming climate summit will be attended by 15000, including 100 world leaders, but you think it's all a hoax.
ZangaroZen 2 years ago
15%... that seems like a small percentage to me. But I could be wrong... I think the 85% that have it together shouldnt have to pay more for their insurance. I am covered until I graduate by my dads insurance so I am not in that 15%
CalebCross 2 years ago
@calebCross, if 15% is such a small precentage then why are you bitching about the ultra rich paying 1% of any income over $1M. If 15% is such a small amount then why don't you donate 15% of your earnings to charity?
The 85% that are covered still have to deal with deductables, refused payments, increased premiums, etc. Not the case under universal healthcare.
Private insurance costs atleast 50% more then universal healthcare, does not cover everyone, and people die 3-4 years earlier.
ZangaroZen 2 years ago
Because the ultra rich earned that money and they shouldnt have to pay for those who are to lazy to try to find a job or those who rather live off the government instead of making a life for themselves. and just so you know I donate almost 10 hours a week to volunteer programs.
The 85% that are covered, most of which are through a business or company, are actually working to pay for it. Instead of wanting to live off the government.
CalebCross 2 years ago
@CalebCross, the ultra rich didn't personally earn a tiny fraction of the money you give them credit for. The vast majority of the rich earn money through others.
It's touching that you want to protect the ultra rich, but logic says that contributions should be proportional to what people can afford. Poor pay little to nothing, while the rich pay much more.
Contributing 10 hours is entirely different then donating 15% of your earnings.
How much did you pay for your pre-college eduation?
ZangaroZen 2 years ago
Just because people have money doesnt mean they should cover people who dont. Thats life. People cant bail you out of everything. At some point people need to take charge and get it themselves.
And I know the difference between 10 hours and 15%. I already explained most of my income goes to my car insurance and gas but I still make time to give to the community.
CalebCross 2 years ago
@CalebCross, did you ever think that the health insurance industry and doctors are milking the Amercian public?
Citizenship comes with responsibilities. Among those are paying taxes, and in returen the government provides critical services like the military. Poor students like you however are given a reprive from taxes as you get established, while the ultra rich can and are requierd to more. Taxes are based on ability to pay. That's life.
ZangaroZen 2 years ago
I agree some prices insurance companies charge and the price for medical treatment sometimes is questionable. But thats why 15% of Americans dont have health insurance where as 85% do.
Why tax people even more to cover for people who already live off of the government?
CalebCross 2 years ago
@CalebCross, why do medical procedures cost much more in the US then anywhere in the world? Why do the same name brand drugs cost much less outside the US? The drug and insurance industry are milking Americans; they are not altruistic.
Any American with a "pre-existing" condition can't get insurance and/or the premium costs are prohibitive.
How much tax did you pay when you were in high school and "living off the government"?
The rich should pay more tax because they can afford to.
ZangaroZen 2 years ago
Its supported by logic... If I am a student athlete that leaves very little time to work... I work around 10-20 hours a week... Most money goes to my gas and car insurance. And if I dont get the Gov offered healthcare I will have to pay an extra $1,200 on my taxes... I can not afford that.
CalebCross 2 years ago
@CalebCross, as a student with minimal income and loads of tax deductions you shouldn't be paying any tax, and probably qualify for a tax refund.
If you're covered by your Dad's healthcare plan then you are not required to pay for the government plan. Only those that have no coverage pay a surtax.
ZangaroZen 2 years ago
I do get all my state and federal taxes back. But I never see a penny of my social security tax. Even when I do get my refund its not an amazing check.
The coverage my dad has already said that if national healthcare is passed their premium will increase... Thats a problem. If it increases too much and we have to switch to National healthcare then I cant afford it.
America needs to be aware that we are heading towards being a socialist nation.
CalebCross 2 years ago
@CalebCross, so you get a refund, and so you don't "pay more tax then you earn".
Why would passing national health care increase your Dad's private insurance premiums? A scare tactic?
You use "socialist" as if it was a bad word.
Socialistic techniques won WW2.
Why are you against purely social institutions like public libraries?
Knowledge use to be in the hands of the rich who could afford private book collections, but public libraries have made knowledge accessible to the masses.
ZangaroZen 2 years ago
My refunds are usually around $80. Now I dont know about you but there seems to be a big difference in $1,200 and $80...
Healthcare would increase my dads premium because more people would switch to that and that would cause private healthcare to go up to still be able to offer the same level of service.
Socialism isnt what America is about. Its about working hard and earning what you get. Not waiting for the government to take care of you by punishing those who have made themselves someth
CalebCross 2 years ago
@CalebCross, as a student I'd earn about $15000 over the summer and after deductions would net a $2000 refund. You need a better accountant.
Now why would people abandon the loving/caring/efficient/non-rationing/altruistic insurance companies to go with an inefficient/bureaucratic/rationing/death panel government option?
Wrong. Things are proportional, less policy holders means less payouts, and so the insurance premiums should remain stable, if not go down to compete with Obamacare.
ZangaroZen 2 years ago
@CalebCross, if you really believe America should ban socialism, then you need to pay up for that "free" pre-college education you got, never use facilities like the public library, fight your own wars, etc.
If you were part of a small tribe in the middle of a desert, you'd readily realize that you're better off contributing to the common good. And yes that's socialism. The reality that the American tribe is over 300 million doesn't change anything, but you can't see the forest for the tree.
ZangaroZen 2 years ago
I have paid for my education. I went to private school for more then half of my education and went to public high school to get exposure for baseball. And I think having to deal with disrespect, ignorance, and ungratefulness of students is more than enough payment.
Last time I checked the Draft was inactive and millitary was a volunteer service... So if you are comparing that to ObamaCare then basically you are saying the rich should donate to ObamaCare...
CalebCross 2 years ago
@CalebCross, you paid for your primary education? No your parents paid. Where did all your parent's money and private education get you? No where, as you graduated from high school at the same time as everyone else.
I never mentioned the draft, but yes in a time of need, part of citizenship obligations could include serving, and the poor do it much more readily then the rich.
What I've been saying is that ability to pay means the rich should be taxed at a higher rate.
ZangaroZen 2 years ago
And my bet is you werent making minmum wage and working less than 20 hours a week.
Because Gov health care will be cheaper then the private insurance companies. People always bite at the chance to save money.
CalebCross 2 years ago
@CalebCross, didn't you say you were a big strapping athlete? Why don't you ditch your minimum wage part time job and your money hole of a car, concentrate on school, and work full time construction in the summer for real money, like I did.
You say "Gov health care will be cheaper then the private insurance"? How can the inefficient altruistic government out compete the brutally efficient insurance industry?
ZangaroZen 2 years ago