@libra8a Depends on the gun. If it's a SAO like a 1911, then yes you want it cocked and locked. If it's a DA/SA like a Beretta 92, Sig, CZ, etc then you want it decocked and OFF SAFE as you still have the heavy DA pull so a safety is unnecessary at that point.
@Rawdog146 That's ballistic protection son, I can stop at least a .38spl! ;-) My gut is Level IIIA. In all seriousness though, being physically fit is extremely important when it comes to this stuff. Since that video I've dropped 35lbs. Still have plenty to go but I'm getting there.
The thing we can all take away from this is the one major issue being lack of training. I'm an RSO at a range and see lots of LE/Mil shoot, and many of them aren't any better or much better than the average citizen. The one major issue here is mindset. What we need to do is try to instill the warrior mindset in people so that they take this stuff seriously and try to excel at it. It is true of any other topic. It doesn't matter what your profession is, mindset can make or break you.
@ProjectEasyStreet I ordered one in July for a Kimber Warrior. It took all of 13 weeks. But it was absolutely worth it. That holster has made the gun so stable and locked in that I forget its there.
@majestytd Like ProjectEasyStreet said, this holster wasn't really made for concealment. However, if wearing a jacket or baggy overshirt it works quite well to hide the weapon on your side.
Fact: IF you keep your booger hooker off the bang switch THEN there is no problem!
It all comes down to training - perfect practice makes perfect execution. There are no design flaws but rather ppl who are unable to train themselves for that equipments purpose & use. If someone does stupid then they need to retrain & if they still can't get it right, then they need to either get another holster or find another job.
I think for those who had the accidental discharges should all be re-trained if thats the case. I agree with the rest there is no substitute for stupidity
I don't know much about the SERPA Holster but I am looking at purchasing one in the near future. I would not dispute accidental discharges with this holster no more then I would any holster. I think that this holster is like many others on the market. Its a tool, and like with any tool its up to the owner to master its effectiveness.
The Holster comes with instructions for the proper way to deactivate the lock and draw the weapon. The trigger finger needs to be indexed along the the frame of the weapon! that is what the holster is designed for and any other way is just misuse of the holster and a lack of training!
Another issue is potentially getting a rock or some other foreign material stuck between the button and the pistol, thereby preventing the button from being released and the pistol removed.
thats definitely a training issue not a design issue. the design of this holster has made my handgun skills tons better from the get go. i carry this type of holster on and off duty and will never use anything different. i have never had an issue with my finger "accidentally" falling into the trigger guard upon drawing from this holster. like those that have commented before though; train, train, and then train some more.
the problem with the holster irv is not that they are stupid putting their fingers in the trigger guard.
you have to put pressure on the button to draw the weapon. The problem is that under stress when you don't have a lot of fine motor skills you press down on the button and draw. Because you're pressing down to draw your finger has a NATURAL tendency to curl into the trigger area.
This is not them being stupid or bad training. This is human reaction under stress.
anybody that puts their finger in the trigger when not ready to shoot shouldnt be around a gun anyway everybody that owns a gun and trains enough knows this and high stress or low stress they will know what to do
As an officer, I can tell you that you should train in less stressful situations so that when you train in more stressful situations you are able to perform at your best. If officers have encountered ADs during stressful traing, it's because they haven't trained properly in low stress situations. Crawl before you walk; walk before you run.
agreed. Imo, people tend to look for things to take the blame off themselves. And when a few people start saying, "well it's not my fault, it's the holster's", gang mentality starts to take over. People get it in their heads that the holster is flawed bc they aren't drawing their weapon the way the holster was designed for them to do
OK.. I have been looking for the best ccw holster for my G27, I came across the Blackhawk Serpa 11 or the Fobus Roto ?Having watched the video showing how the Fobus is a binding trigger lock I was suspect as to how it would release and sure enough it's very difficult. Then I surrended to the Blackhawk Serpa having seen the factory video and I have to say my first mental thoughts where that your finger is inline with trigger when pulling and might that present a problem drawing your weapon
I have to agree with USMC comment that there is no substitute for stupidity and only constant Training and Good common Sense will always keep you safe. Don't forget the DEA Agent in a school classroom who Claimed to be an Expert in Firearms and then discharged a round in his leg !!! Thank God no one was seriously injured ( Other than his Ego) Nothings perfect but some are Better than others !
You do make a few points. However, in my opinion they are not valid ones. I have used the level 3 light bearing Serpa on duty and the CQC serpas for a few years off duty and have never had an issue. Like anything, train train train! If you curl your finger, you are doing it wrong, period. Everyone is taught to draw their weapon with their index finger aligned along the slide. Blackhawk simply designed a holster to fit the standard training. Feel free to write back.
Exactly. If you have a holster like this you should spend an hour a day drawing and putting it back the right way until you're so tired of doing it you won't pull it the wrong way.
Good points, and I agree. Training perfectly and building up that muscle memory goes a long way. While I do think the Serpa design makes it a little more likely for someone to have an AD as opposed to other retention designs like Safariland ALS/SLS, I like the Serpas and still use them. I do however train religiously with it and have developed good muscle memory I think. I look at it as tools for the toolbox. It works for me and I've modified my draw to work it properly.
I'm using the stock "dot the i" Sig sights (not night sights) with the dot on the front sight and bar on the rear. They work excellent for a stock sight, and the relief cuts on the rear sight leave a shadow around the center notch which sort of unconsciously draws your focus to the front sight. They are a great stock sight IMO.
great great points. you hit all the areas of argument in a concise, but informing way. and great stressing the safety. i actually do what you said NOT to do with my serpa, even though it's only for airsoft. but thanks for the tips. keeping makin videos too
I happen to be a fan of Nutnfancy. While he isn't the foremost expert out there, he does a good job and tries, and I have a lot of respect for that.
I just try to be honest with my opinions, when it comes to gear. There are documented accounts of experienced people having ND's with their Serpas under stressful training. It can happen, and I think it's good to acknowledge that. I still like them, though it has made me take a second look at them to give honest consideration of the downsides.
I was using a Sig P220 in the vid. If sand gets in between the gun and holster, it can scratch up the finish of the gun. Other than that, the holster itself doesn't really scratch the gun up.
If you can't keep your thinger off the trigger until you are ready to fire you should not be using a gun.
KGEU 10 months ago
Somebody may have said this already, but shouldn't your weapon be on safe while it's in the holster?
libra8a 1 year ago
@libra8a i never put the safety on and i only shot myself once. in 40 years of carrying. relax.
ToiToiToiHerrKaleun 8 months ago 2
@libra8a Depends on the gun. If it's a SAO like a 1911, then yes you want it cocked and locked. If it's a DA/SA like a Beretta 92, Sig, CZ, etc then you want it decocked and OFF SAFE as you still have the heavy DA pull so a safety is unnecessary at that point.
ProjectEasyStreet 7 months ago
Nice gutt. How about cardiovascular training????
Rawdog146 1 year ago
@Rawdog146 That's ballistic protection son, I can stop at least a .38spl! ;-) My gut is Level IIIA. In all seriousness though, being physically fit is extremely important when it comes to this stuff. Since that video I've dropped 35lbs. Still have plenty to go but I'm getting there.
ProjectEasyStreet 7 months ago 10
OMG why do people feel the need to some some random internet youtube viewers that the gun is empty!?!
IceTTom 1 year ago
The thing we can all take away from this is the one major issue being lack of training. I'm an RSO at a range and see lots of LE/Mil shoot, and many of them aren't any better or much better than the average citizen. The one major issue here is mindset. What we need to do is try to instill the warrior mindset in people so that they take this stuff seriously and try to excel at it. It is true of any other topic. It doesn't matter what your profession is, mindset can make or break you.
ProjectEasyStreet 1 year ago 2
is this good for conceal?
majestytd 1 year ago
@majestytd
No, this isn't a good concealment holster. It sticks out from the body way too much and prints horribly.
ProjectEasyStreet 1 year ago
@ProjectEasyStreet can you tell me which holster is good for xd 9 subcompact thanks a lot,,
majestytd 1 year ago
@majestytd
There are several good options:
-Comp Tac Minotaur MTAC or Spartan
-Crossbreed Supertuck
-Raven Concealment Phantom (long wait time 12+ weeks)
ProjectEasyStreet 1 year ago
@majestytd raven concealment all the way
TheTacticalShooter 1 year ago
@TheTacticalShooter Heck yeah! Raven is excellent quality. I already placed my order for one, and now the wait begins. ;-) They are worth it though.
ProjectEasyStreet 1 year ago
@ProjectEasyStreet I ordered one in July for a Kimber Warrior. It took all of 13 weeks. But it was absolutely worth it. That holster has made the gun so stable and locked in that I forget its there.
TheTacticalShooter 1 year ago
@majestytd Like ProjectEasyStreet said, this holster wasn't really made for concealment. However, if wearing a jacket or baggy overshirt it works quite well to hide the weapon on your side.
therealjarett 1 year ago
Check out my reply to the complaint about the Serpa system.
[ /watch?v=hS4TfxiFp1E ]
IlovemyGlock21 1 year ago
Fact: IF you keep your booger hooker off the bang switch THEN there is no problem!
It all comes down to training - perfect practice makes perfect execution. There are no design flaws but rather ppl who are unable to train themselves for that equipments purpose & use. If someone does stupid then they need to retrain & if they still can't get it right, then they need to either get another holster or find another job.
Harsh but true.
:)
SafeArmsReview 1 year ago 2
@SafeArmsReview "Booger Hooker", LOL!!!!!
mpc808 1 year ago
I think for those who had the accidental discharges should all be re-trained if thats the case. I agree with the rest there is no substitute for stupidity
MPBanga 1 year ago
I don't know much about the SERPA Holster but I am looking at purchasing one in the near future. I would not dispute accidental discharges with this holster no more then I would any holster. I think that this holster is like many others on the market. Its a tool, and like with any tool its up to the owner to master its effectiveness.
renegadedave1 1 year ago
I agree, but it takes a lot of practice. i done it lot and i say out of 50 times, 4 times i did shoot by mistake..
w5a 1 year ago
The Holster comes with instructions for the proper way to deactivate the lock and draw the weapon. The trigger finger needs to be indexed along the the frame of the weapon! that is what the holster is designed for and any other way is just misuse of the holster and a lack of training!
af22raptor23503 1 year ago
Another issue is potentially getting a rock or some other foreign material stuck between the button and the pistol, thereby preventing the button from being released and the pistol removed.
Coonstev 1 year ago
thats definitely a training issue not a design issue. the design of this holster has made my handgun skills tons better from the get go. i carry this type of holster on and off duty and will never use anything different. i have never had an issue with my finger "accidentally" falling into the trigger guard upon drawing from this holster. like those that have commented before though; train, train, and then train some more.
4x4frontierse 1 year ago
I just got my holster in today for my 229. I absolutely LOVE the holster..
redneck500 1 year ago
is that a P226? or P229? i know it has nothing to do with the Video, but i am looking to buy this holster or other for a P226...
drievk 1 year ago
the problem with the holster irv is not that they are stupid putting their fingers in the trigger guard.
you have to put pressure on the button to draw the weapon. The problem is that under stress when you don't have a lot of fine motor skills you press down on the button and draw. Because you're pressing down to draw your finger has a NATURAL tendency to curl into the trigger area.
This is not them being stupid or bad training. This is human reaction under stress.
gnitsaf 1 year ago
anybody that puts their finger in the trigger when not ready to shoot shouldnt be around a gun anyway everybody that owns a gun and trains enough knows this and high stress or low stress they will know what to do
irvgarcia19 1 year ago
As an officer, I can tell you that you should train in less stressful situations so that when you train in more stressful situations you are able to perform at your best. If officers have encountered ADs during stressful traing, it's because they haven't trained properly in low stress situations. Crawl before you walk; walk before you run.
MASON357SOLAMAN 2 years ago 11
@MASON357SOLAMAN
agreed. Imo, people tend to look for things to take the blame off themselves. And when a few people start saying, "well it's not my fault, it's the holster's", gang mentality starts to take over. People get it in their heads that the holster is flawed bc they aren't drawing their weapon the way the holster was designed for them to do
pbballer4life 2 years ago
same here
dbi1036 2 years ago
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OK.. I have been looking for the best ccw holster for my G27, I came across the Blackhawk Serpa 11 or the Fobus Roto ?Having watched the video showing how the Fobus is a binding trigger lock I was suspect as to how it would release and sure enough it's very difficult. Then I surrended to the Blackhawk Serpa having seen the factory video and I have to say my first mental thoughts where that your finger is inline with trigger when pulling and might that present a problem drawing your weapon
4PROSALES 2 years ago
I have to agree with USMC comment that there is no substitute for stupidity and only constant Training and Good common Sense will always keep you safe. Don't forget the DEA Agent in a school classroom who Claimed to be an Expert in Firearms and then discharged a round in his leg !!! Thank God no one was seriously injured ( Other than his Ego) Nothings perfect but some are Better than others !
Later...
Little Jimmy
4PROSALES 2 years ago 2
Yeah, but he was the only one in the room professional enough. ;-) lol j/k
ProjectEasyStreet 2 years ago
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4PROSALES 2 years ago
You do make a few points. However, in my opinion they are not valid ones. I have used the level 3 light bearing Serpa on duty and the CQC serpas for a few years off duty and have never had an issue. Like anything, train train train! If you curl your finger, you are doing it wrong, period. Everyone is taught to draw their weapon with their index finger aligned along the slide. Blackhawk simply designed a holster to fit the standard training. Feel free to write back.
usmcskinny 2 years ago 10
Exactly. If you have a holster like this you should spend an hour a day drawing and putting it back the right way until you're so tired of doing it you won't pull it the wrong way.
black27696 2 years ago
Good points, and I agree. Training perfectly and building up that muscle memory goes a long way. While I do think the Serpa design makes it a little more likely for someone to have an AD as opposed to other retention designs like Safariland ALS/SLS, I like the Serpas and still use them. I do however train religiously with it and have developed good muscle memory I think. I look at it as tools for the toolbox. It works for me and I've modified my draw to work it properly.
ProjectEasyStreet 2 years ago
maybe they curl the finger because they have big hands.
032125 2 years ago
what sights are you using on your Sig?
sn00z0nica 2 years ago
I'm using the stock "dot the i" Sig sights (not night sights) with the dot on the front sight and bar on the rear. They work excellent for a stock sight, and the relief cuts on the rear sight leave a shadow around the center notch which sort of unconsciously draws your focus to the front sight. They are a great stock sight IMO.
ProjectEasyStreet 2 years ago
great great points. you hit all the areas of argument in a concise, but informing way. and great stressing the safety. i actually do what you said NOT to do with my serpa, even though it's only for airsoft. but thanks for the tips. keeping makin videos too
derrickgl 2 years ago
Thanks man. :-) I plan on making a ton more vids. Eventually I plan on sort of doing the same type of stuff like Nutnfancy here on YT.
ProjectEasyStreet 2 years ago
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Please make video's that don't make you look like a fraud like Nutnfancy.
He is so biased and acts like he is a expert. The guy's a nut case with access to a gun store, not a military trainer.
I am sure your video's won't be like that.
Anyway, i use SERPA for work and IPSC and find it tough, strong, light, practical and super fast. I am very happy with it.
Thanks for the video
ihaveairlockers 2 years ago
I happen to be a fan of Nutnfancy. While he isn't the foremost expert out there, he does a good job and tries, and I have a lot of respect for that.
I just try to be honest with my opinions, when it comes to gear. There are documented accounts of experienced people having ND's with their Serpas under stressful training. It can happen, and I think it's good to acknowledge that. I still like them, though it has made me take a second look at them to give honest consideration of the downsides.
ProjectEasyStreet 2 years ago
@ihaveairlockers
He was a Captain in the ANG or the USAAF, and hints a lot to the fact that he is a LEO. Could you please explain how he is biased?
pbballer4life 2 years ago
Yeah hi...
Nut n Fancy is a wanna-be.
Sorry to burst your bubble mate !
Anyway, I have never had a problem with the Serpa holster. It's a pretty good product and that is the issue here.
ps, i give you a clue mate.... Anyone who "hints" at things, is a fraud.
by the way, i have no idea what an ANG is. To me, a LEO is a Satellite in Low Earth Orbit.
People get sucked in everyday !
best of luck in the future !
ihaveairlockers 2 years ago
Do the holster scratch the gun? I heard Blackhawk Holsters are good for Glocks and H&K's but not for Sigs. It looks like you are using a Sig!
Samuraixie 2 years ago
I was using a Sig P220 in the vid. If sand gets in between the gun and holster, it can scratch up the finish of the gun. Other than that, the holster itself doesn't really scratch the gun up.
ProjectEasyStreet 2 years ago