@j0napha No, the movie has lied to you. This is the fact and someone like Wilders will never tell you the truth. If you want to know the truth read by yourself from trusted sources.
If taking verses out of context reveals "hidden truths" about a religion, does Isaiah 36:12 - go on, look it up - "prove" that Judaism is based on coprophagy and/or urophagia? Of course it doesn't!
Nor is that an ancient recipe for fudge brownies. :-D
lol, i'm not the onee who has a youtube account souly to comment on channels with. why don't you grow a pair and make a constructive video of yourself talking to camera, not someone else, and not another pro-nazi photomontage. grow up genius.
i really think what Jack is saying is right..... he doing sumthing gud, u just go around having nothoing other than swearing... so mayb its u who needs a life!!!
I like your support for free speech but those extremist Muslims are not actually a small minority taht are over publsized. The fact that most Muslims wanted Geert and his video banned shows that the leftists are tyring to censor stuff.
but thats not a link, how the hell do i use that. and what aspect of the left do you mean, because there's so much of it and its so varied you cannot afford to generalise like this
Well, your right about the left I guess but equally you shouldnt judge the right-wing to be all the same or as they are portrayed as fascists and White supremists. Youtube doesnt allow links to be put on comments so i'll sent it to you in PM.
Zakat-A tax which is given to the poor of the community
Sawm-Fasting during ramadan
Hajj-the pilgrimage to Makkah.
There is a muslim concept called Jihad, misunderstood as Holy war. Greater Jihad means striving everyday to follow the faith. Lesser Jihad is holy war, and for the war to be jihad the most important rule is that there are no civilian casualties. Most Muslims hate the terrorists.
"Lesser Jihad is holy war, and for the war to be jihad the most important rule is that there are no civilian casualties."
I'd like to hear that announced on national TV by the main Islamic clerics of the World first. If Islam was against terrorism, why are there so many Muslim Jihadi terrorist groups? Why does Osama Bin Laden and the genocidal clerics of the Islamic countries claim to act in accordance of the Quran? Why do the so called "moderate Muslims" always claim to be victimized?
well probably because different people interpret text different ways, just like there are extreme and moderate christians, some will kill in the name of god whilst others who claim to do gods will seek to free a people through peaceful protest. all of the original holy texts were just rules of the day, the interpretations now vary as the world has become more progressive. and the moderate muslims claim to be victimised because they get blamed for the shit bin laden does too.
erm... what about Bush's whole higher power thing, or was that just a poor excuse for a ridiculous war?
also, 1 guy, whose name escapes me, had his case mentioned on a Richard Dawkins programme, shot a Doctor who performed abortions because it was against gods will. Any nutter will kill for the voice in his head, don't make the mistake of thinking it's an us and them situation.
When?... a cartoon is drawn of Mo-ham-ed, and the Muslim community is in a uproar, and protests up and down the country, however when a terrorist act is committed in the name of Islam, i hear no condemnation, uproar, or protest!
I'm guessing you like to sit there and say when this happens these people do this but when this happens these people dont do this and you apply this basic argument as a defence.
A while ago there was a protest against a soldiers parade by Muslims but there was also a group that went against those protesters which were moderate Muslims. Oh yeah if youre going to try to act smart you can at least refrain from making fun of peoples names it's childish.
If you didn't hear the condemnation by decent Muslims of the attacks of 11 September 2001 or of 7 July 2005, you should ask your doctor to syringe your ears. Better still, learn to floss your ears by poking some string through from one ear to the other and working it back and forth until the wax has been removed.
i am so ashamed that i live in the same country as geert wilders, why do people still vote for him?! he is a racist, soon he will try to get rid of everyone!!
ah cool, glad you liked it, good to hear from someone from the Netherlands, did I manage to say Geert Wilders right? I can never pronounce names too well. Good luck with the project, do you take politics or something?
It seems your aware of the impact that limiting dialog on certain topics results in a zero sum result but really why is racial fact a taboo to bring up in conversation?
'They' have made any discussion that leads to a form of 'tribalism' they cannot rule over illegal. Now 'they' think they can control the Muslims because they have ties with thier King in Saudi Arabia. But not even the Islamic Royals have control of thier Empires (see Iran).
and btw id like to see more people start talking about colonisation in Europe by non-Europeans a little more, that may get the liberals jumping off bridges but frankly its something they would rather have burried no matter what the cost in life or lifestyle may be.
Thats why the British National Party is being hounded by the main three gangs, and in many cases they will work together in keeping them down.
Now dont get me wrong im not certain if the BNP is my sort of crowd, based upon a level of respect for thier values I wont sing thier praises or condemn them but you have to wonder why the gate keepers are using all the assets available to keep them on the fringe.
lol the bnp is definitely not my crowd, but if they arent alowed to have their say in the main stream, how are they ever to be disproved? all driving controversial views underground does is a)make everyone distrusting of the people who banned such views, even if they did it for "virtuous" reasons, and b) means that said views go unchallenged and unscrutinised by the mainstream and so are abe to spread unopposed.
as for the "gatekeepers", their interested in keeping power to themselves, obviously, but any political party would do the same in a situation such as this, the bnp would certainly have no problem in banning other parties views.
Since neither you nor I am a BNP member, I'll ask a frank question.
Would they be justified in banning other parties from airing thier view if they took a majority in parliament.
Keep in mind this has nothing to do with offical BNP attitudes, as far im concerned they could be a benevolent party that sets aside grievances or they could end up as a totalitarian goverment it still doesnt make the treatment they have recieved as a legitimate party any less a reality.
no i wasnt saying anything about their policies in this instance, i was just making the comment power corrupts, and all parties do whatever they can to keep it, so the bnp would say bollocks to free speech quicker than you can say jack-rabbit if it suited them. but since they have no power at the moment it would not suit them to do so.
You will find that race and colonisation is only allowed to be discussed in the public sphere when funnily enough a group that is part of the colonisation process is a position to moderate the arguement. Sometimes they are Asians,sometimes Black Africans, and a great deal of the time they are Jews with duel interests, that being the UK and Israel.
If you take the debate to the street level insted of sat infront of a green screen on a panel what would occur?
as for a street level debate, it happens all the time, everyone in the general public has their 2 pence say, you just had yours, have you been arrested yet? i'd say things like internet and real life gatherings are street level, and people discuss these things all the time.
Well Jack, what we can discuss here over the internet wont last forever. We are still in the 'Golden age' of internet communication. This New Labour Goverment have already taken it upon themselves to not only police YouTube via censorship campaigns from the Home Office but also at the root of internet provider hardware. Have a nose about if you arent already aware of the "black boxes located at ISP's in Britain" they do see free exchange of ideas as a BIG threat.
Anyway, thanks for the chat its been interesting to see where your coming from, the Wilders Fitna fallout hasnt finished yet. Him doing the rounds on the US media circus could spark what many fear would of occured in Britain had he been let in.
are you kidding me, the government arent trying to destroy their own base, nor is the state, our governments, despite what the right will say, do a hell of a lot to keep us all seperate, polarised, and blinded by hatred of one another. the interest of people who debate against the bnp is not to erase a race from their country, it's to maintain their power base.
cite an example of the last time Labour/Conservative/Lib-Dems tried to stop a foriegn person joining thier parties,not only with-holding membership but specificly stoping them from running in elections.
I know for a fact that each party have thier gaulieters in the divided/fragmented Britain we know today, be it Bangladeshi or Carribean communities. They are all keen to remain in control but to what end?
and the whole tightenning of immigration that is on going is meaningless is it? you seen the advert with the runner jumping over the hurdles saying about how hard its gonna be to get in now? as for a divided britain, its always been divided, and the divide has always been wealth, the gap gets bigger and bigger, and that is by no fault of foreigners, that is by virtue of a self defeating system known as capitalism
Crain writes: "...any leader of any gay rights organization who is not prepared to throw the bulk of their efforts right now into the fight for marriage is squandering resources and doesn't deserve the position." (Washington Blade, August, 2003)..
the deal with the Quran is that you will only realize the full message of it when you read all of it ( the book ) you can't put it's Quotes to analyze cause it only meaningful when it's all put together,
otherwise you're just saying what you think not what it says( God says ).
why should I? why should anyone? these people running the site are just more humans, they're just as capable of being wrong, inaccurate and corruptable as the rest of us, why should they decide how we express ourselves?
YouTube is not for pornography or sexually explicit content. If this describes your video, even if it's a video of yourself, don't post it on YouTube.( under youtube's "Don't cross the line" )
bull shit, there are millions of explicit videos on this site, the only difference is that they are "straight porn" so no-one reports them, the video i said about was far less graphic than they, but it gets banned because of these stupid rules that allow people to apply to ban videos they don't like/
i didnt say its free speech, but it should be free expression, and it should be free to view, if people dont like it, they shouldnt watch it, and if it doesnt get watched people will stp making it anyway.
yeh, and if you dont like it, its clearly not aimed at people like u, so dont watch it, seriously, i dont go searching videos of horse racing just to complain about how boring they are and try to get them banned.
and it's just me saying i disagree with censorship, and it may not be up to me to decide, but it's up to me you and everyone to make our opinions known if we something is wrong, im merely exercising that
thats not what im saying at all and u know it, im just saying, if straights have that right, gays should have the same right. i have never flagged a video, i abdicate free speech whenever possible, and if i dont like something i discuss it with people and try to persuade them rationally, rather than reacting like a spoilt child who cant handle the realities of the world and trying to block them out
straights do it all the time, youtube allows you that because you like it. so in answer to your question, yes, i think youtube can allow that just because people like it. i should point out at this point, i personally dont watch gay porn, but i do support other peoples right to it if they like it, what right would i have to deny them.
why should that happen though? why should it be ok to kill anyone who doesnt fit the norm? if they dont hurt you i dont see the purpose of it, could you explain?
o right. it has been a persecutable crime in several arab nations for some time though hasn't it? i heard iran's state kill homosexuals, im not sure if thats myth or fact, ive never seen anything official about it, you wouldnt happen to know would you?
erm, right. coz you'd know all about being mentally ill from the sounds of it. which leading scholars, where is your evidence, all i ever get from people like you is pseudo science that has a million different explainations but you choose the one that represents you as the concrete truth. dont sully the name of science by using it as an explanation for what you believe. as for not being a woman, fine, go for it, it doesn't hurt me, just like gay people dont hurt me, so why should i stop them lol
yes I would. I am against all religions and I think everyone who believes in any religion needs to be helped and those who take advantage of people by using religion should be imprisoned or treated because they are clearly either con men or mentally unfit.
you've come to the conclusion that everyone thinks the same as you because...? people dont think the same as you. there is something wrong with the way you think. you need to see someone over your mental state.
I assumed you were a closet homosexual because someone who speaks so agressively about homosexuals can be one of two things:
1. a complete fucking streak of piss.
2. a person whos trying to pretend to himself that hes not a homosexual.
oh yeah, 99%? coz you just got that from a reputable statistic site, you didn't just pluck that out of the air im sure. even so, would it have been fair to have said all muslims believe that, as you implied the first time, seeing as at least 1% dont. how many million is that one percent exactly? coz that's still a lot of people.
and so what, as if any of that "normality" shit really matters, if someone wants to be gay let them, if you arent comfortable with homosexuality, dont be homosexual.
im sorry, i wish i could follow your scatter brain logic, but its just too off. the fact some muslims disagree with homosexuality means i cant support peoples right to that choice?
as for my "muslim friends" i have never said that i supported any religion, i support peoples right to believe it, if they so choose, just as i tolerate you now, making the choice to hate.... well everyone except yourself. if thats what makes you happy. just dont expect the rest of us to live to your standards. if you'd watched the video properly, youd know that was what i was saying
favourited. 5 stars. well done. I agree with you that all religions are essentially the same... where I think you'll disagree with me though is when I say that anyone who has made money out of religion or taught any religion to their children should be either arrested, fined or put in a mental institution... just one of my many radical views lol......
as far as I'm concerned people can be religious all they want... just as long as they dont make money out of it (its called conning someone) and as long as they dont corrupt their children with it. I know some people who do... I get on very well with them... I just cant agree with what they do to their kids.
lol they're doing more harm to their cause then you ever could in that case, a lot of kids brought up like that end up resenting religion, my dad was one of them, he's a staunch atheist after all the authoritarianism of his parents
OK I am sorry...I rated it as a 5 after watching the 3/4th of the video... but the last 2 min were just wrong.
Did you not see people's heads cut off/blown up/shot point blank? There are gangs everywhere that kill for money/ initiations/ drugs/ "turfs", but they are not allowed on TV to preach hatred, are they? Such "infection" is small and is not a part of the govrnmnt, islam is cancer that has grown out of control and is taking over govrnmnts, it kills on massive scales - no reasoning with it
there's plenty of reasoning with it, there's about as much reasoning with muslims as there is with christians. how many people have been killed in gods name, blown up, tortured, ostrocised because they don't conform to fundamental christianity? christians have infiltrated governments, especially in america, even though constituionally they are required to be a secular state. nobody ever complained about that, no one ever said you can't reason with christians, the same should apply to muslims.
Hi Jack, brilliant vid however i do have an issue with Ganjastu, i saw his video that was taken down. I left my comment and he provoked me into a debate, when he couldnt handle the logic of my arguement he started to send me abusive messages from his multiple accounts.The guy is a nut. My point to him was that there are more productive ways of getting his message across because lets face it in this day and age a video like that will be flagged and taken down and his message will not be heard.
Oh and he blamed me for his video being taken down even though i had stated i would NEVER flag a video. The guy is a troll, he has multiple accounts and is not willing to debate without resorting to childish insults and abusive PM's. I see he has left a video reply from one of his many accounts. Jack you are an intelligent person, even you should see that a video of gay men explicitly kissing is not going to achieve what he wants and will actually cause more injury to his cause.
Niether do i, i said i would NEVER flag videos because i disagree with the content, my point to him was that there are other more subtle/effective ways of getting his message across & because of that he was swearing, insulting and sending me abusive PM's,conveniently blaming me for the video being taken down. I dont think the video should be banned but like i said with so much ignorance and homophobia on YouTube its only a matter of time b4 its flagged and taken down and his point ignored AGAIN.
well, i wasnt talking about ur correspondance with him, i didnt name you or blame you for the fact the vid is gone, and i havent seen any of your correspondance with each other.
How would it harm his cause? Come on Jack! I can see the reasoning behind your question but lets be realistic about this. If people are homophobic and then they see a video of men kissing each other in a graphic and sexual nature then it just makes their homophobia even worse, why do you think his video was taken down? He had 5000hits & a handful of comments...I wonder why?! He clearly censored comments. Im sure more people were offended compared to those who thought 'yes i see this guys point'.
After reading my last comment i can see it was worded very badly.
Homophobia is prevalent among society, if we want to eliminate this then showing videos of men explicitly kissing is not the way to go about it and his video being taken down proved my point. The fact that he insulted me just goes to show his hypocritical nature and i spoke to other Gay YouTube users who feel the same as i do on this and they have seen the video.
I can see the point of the video but sadly i am a minority.
Yes but censoring comments because they disagree with the way in which the point is portrayed in a video is unfair. I agree the banning/flagging videos feature should be taken down. But then YouTube should not be full of videos with acts of a sexual nature that should be kept private and not for the whole world to see, its one thing showing a hug but showing someone sticking their tongue down a throat whether its a man or woman is just nasty and only encourages immature sexual attitudes.
lol i dont see the problem with it personally, people do it whether they see it in a video or not, and if people dont like what the video says, they should post a reply/ not watch it at all
I agree but i he doesnt understand that its counter productive for his cause. My opinion is that...My opinion. I was the first to state that it shouldnt be taken down while there are videos of hetrosexuals doing the same, the point is that resorting to the kind of images he was showing in that video to make his point is making the very thing he wants to destroy stronger and adding more fuel to the fire...What is he or the acts in the video achieving? People getting cheap thrills and homophobia?
i personally have no idea what he was trying to achieve, other than to fulfil his wish to post a video unobstructed on youtube, regardless of content. maybe you should ask him if he was trying to achieve something else.
cheers, and yeh good example, i sure took more notice of manhunt 2 when it came out because of the fuss. never bought it though, my lil sister wouldn't have appreciated me hi-jacking her wii lol
YouTube's community guidelines state that free speech is supported except (!??) against the following groups....& unfortunately religion is one of these protected groups. This means that ANYTHING can be done or said in the name of religion, including promoting hatred towards a minority, but should someone point this out it is classified as "hate speech" & the vid can be removed; reason gets silenced whilst hatred is protected.
Once again you're the voice of reason Jack, nice one..& thanks!
Funny DavidIckels'Right' your comment didnt show up normally but i had a feeling you would be lurking around here somewhere. So you took the time to log into your different accounts to give yourself some thumbs ups? Ganjastu you are pathetic and immature, why not grow up? And at least verify your facts before you start blaming me for taking down your video when i never even flagged it. What a joke.
Nice video! Keep the good work up!
MrChatingKicker 1 year ago
Not everybody in Holland support Wilders.
jackjumperfreak 1 year ago
fitna only shows us some facts.
there's nothing wrong with fitna or Geert Wilders
j0napha 2 years ago
@j0napha No, the movie has lied to you. This is the fact and someone like Wilders will never tell you the truth. If you want to know the truth read by yourself from trusted sources.
MrChatingKicker 1 year ago
If taking verses out of context reveals "hidden truths" about a religion, does Isaiah 36:12 - go on, look it up - "prove" that Judaism is based on coprophagy and/or urophagia? Of course it doesn't!
Nor is that an ancient recipe for fudge brownies. :-D
PaulCDickie 2 years ago
For the avoidance of doubt, that's chapter 36, verse 12 of the Book of Isaiah in the Old Testament...
PaulCDickie 2 years ago
support geert wilders!
Jtking3000 2 years ago
dont spam my videos please
JackBrindelli 2 years ago
wilders is a man of great integrity he has every right to have to voice his opinion :)
Jtking3000 2 years ago
I never said he shouldn't voice his opinion I just happen to think he's wrong.
JackBrindelli 2 years ago
Wilders type of people are only seeding haterd among the people which will obviously create more problems than solution.
imprezatuner 2 years ago
YOU are great thinker. I can clearly see you are not a hater but a neutral thinker. Good job mate.....keep it up
imprezatuner 2 years ago
so you know geert personally, so you know he wants media attention. Get a life dickhead
BRITAINisBRITAIN 2 years ago
lol, i'm not the onee who has a youtube account souly to comment on channels with. why don't you grow a pair and make a constructive video of yourself talking to camera, not someone else, and not another pro-nazi photomontage. grow up genius.
JackBrindelli 2 years ago
i really think what Jack is saying is right..... he doing sumthing gud, u just go around having nothoing other than swearing... so mayb its u who needs a life!!!
aamar911 2 years ago
I like your support for free speech but those extremist Muslims are not actually a small minority taht are over publsized. The fact that most Muslims wanted Geert and his video banned shows that the leftists are tyring to censor stuff.
FreeBDeshResponds 2 years ago
no it doesnt, when did "leftism" become synonimous with islam? or any religion?
JackBrindelli 2 years ago
Leftists are known to hide the truth about Islam. Terrorism is a pillar of Islam. Watch my video on this if you want - watch?v=HFAKMzdqIdk
FreeBDeshResponds 2 years ago
but thats not a link, how the hell do i use that. and what aspect of the left do you mean, because there's so much of it and its so varied you cannot afford to generalise like this
JackBrindelli 2 years ago
Well, your right about the left I guess but equally you shouldnt judge the right-wing to be all the same or as they are portrayed as fascists and White supremists. Youtube doesnt allow links to be put on comments so i'll sent it to you in PM.
FreeBDeshResponds 2 years ago
i absolutely understand the difference between a neo conservative and a fascist. will check pm.
JackBrindelli 2 years ago
5 pillars of Islam.
Shahadah-Accepting Muhammad as the prophet
Salah-Prayer
Zakat-A tax which is given to the poor of the community
Sawm-Fasting during ramadan
Hajj-the pilgrimage to Makkah.
There is a muslim concept called Jihad, misunderstood as Holy war. Greater Jihad means striving everyday to follow the faith. Lesser Jihad is holy war, and for the war to be jihad the most important rule is that there are no civilian casualties. Most Muslims hate the terrorists.
OwzyB 2 years ago
thank you very much, at last someone who knows the subject matter he discusses, thanks for the comment.
JackBrindelli 2 years ago
"Lesser Jihad is holy war, and for the war to be jihad the most important rule is that there are no civilian casualties."
I'd like to hear that announced on national TV by the main Islamic clerics of the World first. If Islam was against terrorism, why are there so many Muslim Jihadi terrorist groups? Why does Osama Bin Laden and the genocidal clerics of the Islamic countries claim to act in accordance of the Quran? Why do the so called "moderate Muslims" always claim to be victimized?
FreeBDeshResponds 2 years ago
well probably because different people interpret text different ways, just like there are extreme and moderate christians, some will kill in the name of god whilst others who claim to do gods will seek to free a people through peaceful protest. all of the original holy texts were just rules of the day, the interpretations now vary as the world has become more progressive. and the moderate muslims claim to be victimised because they get blamed for the shit bin laden does too.
JackBrindelli 2 years ago
The Western world is progressive - not the Muslim. There are no Christians that kill in the name of God today, just Muslims - who kill everyday!!
FreeBDeshResponds 2 years ago
erm... what about Bush's whole higher power thing, or was that just a poor excuse for a ridiculous war?
also, 1 guy, whose name escapes me, had his case mentioned on a Richard Dawkins programme, shot a Doctor who performed abortions because it was against gods will. Any nutter will kill for the voice in his head, don't make the mistake of thinking it's an us and them situation.
JackBrindelli 2 years ago
Well why don't "moderate" muslism stand up and compel the extremist nut jobs?
asliceofhell 2 years ago
They do.
vejaji2 2 years ago
When?... a cartoon is drawn of Mo-ham-ed, and the Muslim community is in a uproar, and protests up and down the country, however when a terrorist act is committed in the name of Islam, i hear no condemnation, uproar, or protest!
asliceofhell 2 years ago
I'm guessing you like to sit there and say when this happens these people do this but when this happens these people dont do this and you apply this basic argument as a defence.
A while ago there was a protest against a soldiers parade by Muslims but there was also a group that went against those protesters which were moderate Muslims. Oh yeah if youre going to try to act smart you can at least refrain from making fun of peoples names it's childish.
vejaji2 2 years ago
If you didn't hear the condemnation by decent Muslims of the attacks of 11 September 2001 or of 7 July 2005, you should ask your doctor to syringe your ears. Better still, learn to floss your ears by poking some string through from one ear to the other and working it back and forth until the wax has been removed.
PaulCDickie 2 years ago
Schooled!
JackBrindelli 2 years ago
i am so ashamed that i live in the same country as geert wilders, why do people still vote for him?! he is a racist, soon he will try to get rid of everyone!!
amazone8909 3 years ago
Hey Jack! (if that's your real name)
Here's a massage from Netherlands. :-) I'm doing a research
for my study project about extreme right. Was looking around
on the youtube and I bumped in to your video.
May I say, that it's quite good for a young guy like you!
You're absolutely wright about debating. ;-)
Greetings Svetlana
tchertykovtseva 3 years ago
ah cool, glad you liked it, good to hear from someone from the Netherlands, did I manage to say Geert Wilders right? I can never pronounce names too well. Good luck with the project, do you take politics or something?
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
It seems your aware of the impact that limiting dialog on certain topics results in a zero sum result but really why is racial fact a taboo to bring up in conversation?
'They' have made any discussion that leads to a form of 'tribalism' they cannot rule over illegal. Now 'they' think they can control the Muslims because they have ties with thier King in Saudi Arabia. But not even the Islamic Royals have control of thier Empires (see Iran).
So our leaders are wearing no clothes.
OlafTheVillageIdiot 3 years ago
and btw id like to see more people start talking about colonisation in Europe by non-Europeans a little more, that may get the liberals jumping off bridges but frankly its something they would rather have burried no matter what the cost in life or lifestyle may be.
OlafTheVillageIdiot 3 years ago
and i'd like to see a discussion, i would most likely disagree with the concept, but i agree it needs to be aired and commented on
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
can you not see the hypocracy, considering they are a national government frowning on tribalism? the very basis of nationalism is tribalism.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
Thats why the British National Party is being hounded by the main three gangs, and in many cases they will work together in keeping them down.
Now dont get me wrong im not certain if the BNP is my sort of crowd, based upon a level of respect for thier values I wont sing thier praises or condemn them but you have to wonder why the gate keepers are using all the assets available to keep them on the fringe.
OlafTheVillageIdiot 3 years ago
lol the bnp is definitely not my crowd, but if they arent alowed to have their say in the main stream, how are they ever to be disproved? all driving controversial views underground does is a)make everyone distrusting of the people who banned such views, even if they did it for "virtuous" reasons, and b) means that said views go unchallenged and unscrutinised by the mainstream and so are abe to spread unopposed.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
as for the "gatekeepers", their interested in keeping power to themselves, obviously, but any political party would do the same in a situation such as this, the bnp would certainly have no problem in banning other parties views.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
Since neither you nor I am a BNP member, I'll ask a frank question.
Would they be justified in banning other parties from airing thier view if they took a majority in parliament.
Keep in mind this has nothing to do with offical BNP attitudes, as far im concerned they could be a benevolent party that sets aside grievances or they could end up as a totalitarian goverment it still doesnt make the treatment they have recieved as a legitimate party any less a reality.
OlafTheVillageIdiot 3 years ago
no i wasnt saying anything about their policies in this instance, i was just making the comment power corrupts, and all parties do whatever they can to keep it, so the bnp would say bollocks to free speech quicker than you can say jack-rabbit if it suited them. but since they have no power at the moment it would not suit them to do so.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
You will find that race and colonisation is only allowed to be discussed in the public sphere when funnily enough a group that is part of the colonisation process is a position to moderate the arguement. Sometimes they are Asians,sometimes Black Africans, and a great deal of the time they are Jews with duel interests, that being the UK and Israel.
If you take the debate to the street level insted of sat infront of a green screen on a panel what would occur?
OlafTheVillageIdiot 3 years ago
Ill give you my 2 pence on what would occur.
There would be arrests made, and people hauled off for 'inciting racial hatred'.
OlafTheVillageIdiot 3 years ago
as for a street level debate, it happens all the time, everyone in the general public has their 2 pence say, you just had yours, have you been arrested yet? i'd say things like internet and real life gatherings are street level, and people discuss these things all the time.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
Well Jack, what we can discuss here over the internet wont last forever. We are still in the 'Golden age' of internet communication. This New Labour Goverment have already taken it upon themselves to not only police YouTube via censorship campaigns from the Home Office but also at the root of internet provider hardware. Have a nose about if you arent already aware of the "black boxes located at ISP's in Britain" they do see free exchange of ideas as a BIG threat.
OlafTheVillageIdiot 3 years ago
Anyway, thanks for the chat its been interesting to see where your coming from, the Wilders Fitna fallout hasnt finished yet. Him doing the rounds on the US media circus could spark what many fear would of occured in Britain had he been let in.
OlafTheVillageIdiot 3 years ago
yes, nice to here some varied views, thanks for chatting
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
Hey Jack! (if that's your real name)
Here's a massage from Netherlands. :-) I'm doing a research
for my study project about extreme right. Was looking around
on the youtube and I bumped in to your video.
May I say, that it's quite good for a young guy like you!
You're absolutely wright about debating. ;-)
Greetings Svetlana
tchertykovtseva 3 years ago
are you kidding me, the government arent trying to destroy their own base, nor is the state, our governments, despite what the right will say, do a hell of a lot to keep us all seperate, polarised, and blinded by hatred of one another. the interest of people who debate against the bnp is not to erase a race from their country, it's to maintain their power base.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
cite an example of the last time Labour/Conservative/Lib-Dems tried to stop a foriegn person joining thier parties,not only with-holding membership but specificly stoping them from running in elections.
I know for a fact that each party have thier gaulieters in the divided/fragmented Britain we know today, be it Bangladeshi or Carribean communities. They are all keen to remain in control but to what end?
OlafTheVillageIdiot 3 years ago
and the whole tightenning of immigration that is on going is meaningless is it? you seen the advert with the runner jumping over the hurdles saying about how hard its gonna be to get in now? as for a divided britain, its always been divided, and the divide has always been wealth, the gap gets bigger and bigger, and that is by no fault of foreigners, that is by virtue of a self defeating system known as capitalism
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
is there a modern day interpretation of that?
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
seriously the narrator is not a human.
TakeThisAtheists 3 years ago
lol which narrator?
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
God the Creator
TakeThisAtheists 3 years ago
OH! THAT narrator. right.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
Crain writes: "...any leader of any gay rights organization who is not prepared to throw the bulk of their efforts right now into the fight for marriage is squandering resources and doesn't deserve the position." (Washington Blade, August, 2003)..
TakeThisAtheists 3 years ago
how does that show a narrator isnt human? and which narrator?
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
why should they have to cease at all? can't you just avoid them?
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
the deal with the Quran is that you will only realize the full message of it when you read all of it ( the book ) you can't put it's Quotes to analyze cause it only meaningful when it's all put together,
otherwise you're just saying what you think not what it says( God says ).
TakeThisAtheists 3 years ago
and what, in your opinion is the full message, summed up? be a good person? try not to piss people off? what's the over riding theme
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
youtube owns your youtube account don't play with it they have their rules respect them ( the staff and the rules )
TakeThisAtheists 3 years ago
why should I? why should anyone? these people running the site are just more humans, they're just as capable of being wrong, inaccurate and corruptable as the rest of us, why should they decide how we express ourselves?
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
YouTube is not for pornography or sexually explicit content. If this describes your video, even if it's a video of yourself, don't post it on YouTube.( under youtube's "Don't cross the line" )
TakeThisAtheists 3 years ago
bull shit, there are millions of explicit videos on this site, the only difference is that they are "straight porn" so no-one reports them, the video i said about was far less graphic than they, but it gets banned because of these stupid rules that allow people to apply to ban videos they don't like/
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
they flag you and you have something wrong in your video , that leads to youtube banning your video. works for straight people too.
TakeThisAtheists 3 years ago
well duh. lol soz, no offence, but i know full well geert is a dick.
and the community guide lines are a load of crap, i have no interest in them, no matter what the cause is for limiting free speech, it will turn sour
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
porn is not free speech ok ? they don't want porn videos/pictures.
TakeThisAtheists 3 years ago
i didnt say its free speech, but it should be free expression, and it should be free to view, if people dont like it, they shouldnt watch it, and if it doesnt get watched people will stp making it anyway.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
they watch it it's there for people to watch,it's why you upload videos .... why others upload videos.
TakeThisAtheists 3 years ago
yeh, and if you dont like it, its clearly not aimed at people like u, so dont watch it, seriously, i dont go searching videos of horse racing just to complain about how boring they are and try to get them banned.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
it happens to every one even us muslims that we get our videos banned.
TakeThisAtheists 3 years ago
well how are they going to cease if you kill them? surely thats a counter productive rule.anyway, im off to bed byeeeeeeeeee
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
and it's just me saying i disagree with censorship, and it may not be up to me to decide, but it's up to me you and everyone to make our opinions known if we something is wrong, im merely exercising that
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
thats not what im saying at all and u know it, im just saying, if straights have that right, gays should have the same right. i have never flagged a video, i abdicate free speech whenever possible, and if i dont like something i discuss it with people and try to persuade them rationally, rather than reacting like a spoilt child who cant handle the realities of the world and trying to block them out
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
straights do it all the time, youtube allows you that because you like it. so in answer to your question, yes, i think youtube can allow that just because people like it. i should point out at this point, i personally dont watch gay porn, but i do support other peoples right to it if they like it, what right would i have to deny them.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
hows that decide others have the right to kill someone who's not hurting them?
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
erm, someone who believes in alah? if thats how it's spelled.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
why should that happen though? why should it be ok to kill anyone who doesnt fit the norm? if they dont hurt you i dont see the purpose of it, could you explain?
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
it sounds like its a problem for the muslim who gets killed, so in that respect it's very much someones problem.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
o right. it has been a persecutable crime in several arab nations for some time though hasn't it? i heard iran's state kill homosexuals, im not sure if thats myth or fact, ive never seen anything official about it, you wouldnt happen to know would you?
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
could you give us a bit more detailas to what you mean. is there literally no word for gay in arabic?
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
erm, right. coz you'd know all about being mentally ill from the sounds of it. which leading scholars, where is your evidence, all i ever get from people like you is pseudo science that has a million different explainations but you choose the one that represents you as the concrete truth. dont sully the name of science by using it as an explanation for what you believe. as for not being a woman, fine, go for it, it doesn't hurt me, just like gay people dont hurt me, so why should i stop them lol
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
oh, and well done for making a comparison between you and muslims. you obviously have a lot in common.
NaMgKCa 3 years ago
Islam can fuck itself again and again until it bleeds to death please.
NaMgKCa 3 years ago
yes I would. I am against all religions and I think everyone who believes in any religion needs to be helped and those who take advantage of people by using religion should be imprisoned or treated because they are clearly either con men or mentally unfit.
NaMgKCa 3 years ago
you've come to the conclusion that everyone thinks the same as you because...? people dont think the same as you. there is something wrong with the way you think. you need to see someone over your mental state.
I assumed you were a closet homosexual because someone who speaks so agressively about homosexuals can be one of two things:
1. a complete fucking streak of piss.
2. a person whos trying to pretend to himself that hes not a homosexual.
so, please, fuck off and sort your life out
NaMgKCa 3 years ago
Fuck you BritainAwake =). go and fucking kill yourself you bigoted wanker.
you're probably a closet homosexual anyway.
NaMgKCa 3 years ago
oh yeah, 99%? coz you just got that from a reputable statistic site, you didn't just pluck that out of the air im sure. even so, would it have been fair to have said all muslims believe that, as you implied the first time, seeing as at least 1% dont. how many million is that one percent exactly? coz that's still a lot of people.
and so what, as if any of that "normality" shit really matters, if someone wants to be gay let them, if you arent comfortable with homosexuality, dont be homosexual.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
beg your pardon?
im sorry, i wish i could follow your scatter brain logic, but its just too off. the fact some muslims disagree with homosexuality means i cant support peoples right to that choice?
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
as for my "muslim friends" i have never said that i supported any religion, i support peoples right to believe it, if they so choose, just as i tolerate you now, making the choice to hate.... well everyone except yourself. if thats what makes you happy. just dont expect the rest of us to live to your standards. if you'd watched the video properly, youd know that was what i was saying
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
Mr. Brindelli. You professional, smart, correct person you...another good video. I'm not surprised!
Jaric55 3 years ago
lol thanks again
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
favourited. 5 stars. well done. I agree with you that all religions are essentially the same... where I think you'll disagree with me though is when I say that anyone who has made money out of religion or taught any religion to their children should be either arrested, fined or put in a mental institution... just one of my many radical views lol......
NaMgKCa 3 years ago
lmao well your entitled to your opinion, but what about people like martin luther king jr, who are deeply religious but non-oppressive?
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
as far as I'm concerned people can be religious all they want... just as long as they dont make money out of it (its called conning someone) and as long as they dont corrupt their children with it. I know some people who do... I get on very well with them... I just cant agree with what they do to their kids.
NaMgKCa 3 years ago
I mean if you tell a child that they will burn in hell for the rest eternity if they dont do what they're told you're a pretty sick individual.
NaMgKCa 3 years ago
lol they're doing more harm to their cause then you ever could in that case, a lot of kids brought up like that end up resenting religion, my dad was one of them, he's a staunch atheist after all the authoritarianism of his parents
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
To endanger self...to get attention? Someone so arrogant and selfish would not do it. This film wil kill him.
LordMorningStar 3 years ago
OK I am sorry...I rated it as a 5 after watching the 3/4th of the video... but the last 2 min were just wrong.
Did you not see people's heads cut off/blown up/shot point blank? There are gangs everywhere that kill for money/ initiations/ drugs/ "turfs", but they are not allowed on TV to preach hatred, are they? Such "infection" is small and is not a part of the govrnmnt, islam is cancer that has grown out of control and is taking over govrnmnts, it kills on massive scales - no reasoning with it
LordMorningStar 3 years ago
there's plenty of reasoning with it, there's about as much reasoning with muslims as there is with christians. how many people have been killed in gods name, blown up, tortured, ostrocised because they don't conform to fundamental christianity? christians have infiltrated governments, especially in america, even though constituionally they are required to be a secular state. nobody ever complained about that, no one ever said you can't reason with christians, the same should apply to muslims.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
lol hell no it wont, if anything a film as wide spread as this ensures an egotists immortality.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
That was a good video Jack. Nice work!
TheObsidianSnake 3 years ago
lol ta, i only wish i hadnt mucked up the editting
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
Hi Jack, brilliant vid however i do have an issue with Ganjastu, i saw his video that was taken down. I left my comment and he provoked me into a debate, when he couldnt handle the logic of my arguement he started to send me abusive messages from his multiple accounts.The guy is a nut. My point to him was that there are more productive ways of getting his message across because lets face it in this day and age a video like that will be flagged and taken down and his message will not be heard.
MrPragmatism 3 years ago
Oh and he blamed me for his video being taken down even though i had stated i would NEVER flag a video. The guy is a troll, he has multiple accounts and is not willing to debate without resorting to childish insults and abusive PM's. I see he has left a video reply from one of his many accounts. Jack you are an intelligent person, even you should see that a video of gay men explicitly kissing is not going to achieve what he wants and will actually cause more injury to his cause.
MrPragmatism 3 years ago
i can see no reason why such a video should be banned still, how would it harm his cause?
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
Niether do i, i said i would NEVER flag videos because i disagree with the content, my point to him was that there are other more subtle/effective ways of getting his message across & because of that he was swearing, insulting and sending me abusive PM's,conveniently blaming me for the video being taken down. I dont think the video should be banned but like i said with so much ignorance and homophobia on YouTube its only a matter of time b4 its flagged and taken down and his point ignored AGAIN.
MrPragmatism 3 years ago
well, i wasnt talking about ur correspondance with him, i didnt name you or blame you for the fact the vid is gone, and i havent seen any of your correspondance with each other.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
How would it harm his cause? Come on Jack! I can see the reasoning behind your question but lets be realistic about this. If people are homophobic and then they see a video of men kissing each other in a graphic and sexual nature then it just makes their homophobia even worse, why do you think his video was taken down? He had 5000hits & a handful of comments...I wonder why?! He clearly censored comments. Im sure more people were offended compared to those who thought 'yes i see this guys point'.
MrPragmatism 3 years ago
After reading my last comment i can see it was worded very badly.
Homophobia is prevalent among society, if we want to eliminate this then showing videos of men explicitly kissing is not the way to go about it and his video being taken down proved my point. The fact that he insulted me just goes to show his hypocritical nature and i spoke to other Gay YouTube users who feel the same as i do on this and they have seen the video.
I can see the point of the video but sadly i am a minority.
MrPragmatism 3 years ago
lol well maybe this is a problem with youtube in general. banning/flagging videos should be got rid of all together.
as for personal censoring, i can see a need for it, if you're getting abuse it should be your choice to not have to deal with it if you dont want.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
Yes but censoring comments because they disagree with the way in which the point is portrayed in a video is unfair. I agree the banning/flagging videos feature should be taken down. But then YouTube should not be full of videos with acts of a sexual nature that should be kept private and not for the whole world to see, its one thing showing a hug but showing someone sticking their tongue down a throat whether its a man or woman is just nasty and only encourages immature sexual attitudes.
MrPragmatism 3 years ago
lol i dont see the problem with it personally, people do it whether they see it in a video or not, and if people dont like what the video says, they should post a reply/ not watch it at all
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
I agree but i he doesnt understand that its counter productive for his cause. My opinion is that...My opinion. I was the first to state that it shouldnt be taken down while there are videos of hetrosexuals doing the same, the point is that resorting to the kind of images he was showing in that video to make his point is making the very thing he wants to destroy stronger and adding more fuel to the fire...What is he or the acts in the video achieving? People getting cheap thrills and homophobia?
MrPragmatism 3 years ago
i personally have no idea what he was trying to achieve, other than to fulfil his wish to post a video unobstructed on youtube, regardless of content. maybe you should ask him if he was trying to achieve something else.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
I did....And i got banned ^^
MrPragmatism 3 years ago
banned where
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
He blocked me after sending me private messages that only a coward would
MrPragmatism 3 years ago
cheers, and yeh good example, i sure took more notice of manhunt 2 when it came out because of the fuss. never bought it though, my lil sister wouldn't have appreciated me hi-jacking her wii lol
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
a great video man well done.
cujo9 3 years ago
ta very much
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
YouTube's community guidelines state that free speech is supported except (!??) against the following groups....& unfortunately religion is one of these protected groups. This means that ANYTHING can be done or said in the name of religion, including promoting hatred towards a minority, but should someone point this out it is classified as "hate speech" & the vid can be removed; reason gets silenced whilst hatred is protected.
Once again you're the voice of reason Jack, nice one..& thanks!
DavidIckeIsRight 3 years ago 2
no probs at all, thanks for watching
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
Funny DavidIckels'Right' your comment didnt show up normally but i had a feeling you would be lurking around here somewhere. So you took the time to log into your different accounts to give yourself some thumbs ups? Ganjastu you are pathetic and immature, why not grow up? And at least verify your facts before you start blaming me for taking down your video when i never even flagged it. What a joke.
MrPragmatism 3 years ago
you just pointed out the major flaw in Democracy.. Great to know freedom eh... love you vid as always..
MrSabre11 3 years ago
lol yeh, glad you liked it. cheers for watching :)
JackBrindelli 3 years ago
the ending!!!!
rothyboi 3 years ago
lol you loved it, admit it.
JackBrindelli 3 years ago