whats the tune when sincere is something like (theese chicks wanna take dick cos they think im a rockstar but the griss cos they know im not a rockstar im a star selling rocks) ? tht probz aint right but i dunno
i like this cos it has a good message and good words (WITH ACTUAL MEANING!!!) lol e.g. 'beating up ur baby's mother - thats not gangsta!' (or summat) etc...
and its actually true he seems like a good role model...
oh yh i know i didnt mean that bit, that was the bit where i was like 'erm...' - cos i didnt know exactly what he said., which is why i wrote '(or summat)'
and im a girl so i especially find it quite cowardly so you know...
but i think he said it maybe cos it rhymes, but if not that is not good...
possibly he said it cos they might be whores or druggies or summat, but still that really is not good ("...but if she's fucks up, boy, do what ya haffta")
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his hood looks like a fuckin rich neighborhood like fuckin riverdale in the bronx. this niggas is tha real WANKSTA. fuck this nigga. everything he says is an immitation of US rap, it's pathetic. this nigga wants to to be in dipset or some shit fuckin dick in his anus. says "made men" and "ogs". this nigga does not know about what it's like to go to central booking. nigga would get fuckin finished by some real amor de rey niggas, disemboweled with a carved spoon. fuck u bitch ass brit dicksucks
oi that bwid guys probably jus some posh rock head..u cant say all white guys r this or all white guys r that..certain man need to go an educate them selfs..an the fact u gotta thumbs up for that peice of shit comment u left proves my point
heavy track..its bout time lyrics was positive man...non of dat fake gangster bullshit..u can act gangster now, in bout 10 years u be either locked up still or drivin a metro on benefits...all dem other boyz dat kept their heads down gonna be chillin in their Mercs with a fuckin office tellin manz what to do...Knowledge is power man...study people...actin gangster aint gonna get u nowhere
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cbowles, what the fuck u know bout da hood? usa hip hop is gone? usa invented hip hop and is keepin it alive, uk doesnt have any idea what real hip hop is. hop off americas dick you fuckin "wanker"
usa invented hip-hop & the usa killed hip-hop :) i mean soulja boy?? even 50 is sellin out with his greed for money. blud at least our music is still goin strong fresh MC's, fresh Producers, we cant be tested
lol American's are so stupid. they don't even know there are countries outside of USA lmao. They don't even know what's going on in the next city. They're stuck in their own ignorance and can't talk shit about any other country.
suck my Big .... Nurde, let me guess your another durty little american who"s never even left the dirty states but yet comments on the rest of the world like he knows it all!! UK"s for real and a beautiful thing !! yo get ya ass back africa bitch and show some love for your brothers an sisters unlike muthers like samuel jackson who sit on 1000000 g"s yet dont dso shit!!! MAKE ME SICK YOUALLLL DO
Damn don't get all riled up or anything. Touchy, touchy. Just so u should know keepson I'm writing this comment from Japan, so it was a good guess, but wrong. Oh yeah and no I'm not black. I wasn't hatin' on London bro, u got me all wrong... just this track... cause its so WEAK!
PS: There are no gangsta's or thugs or souljahs or blah blah in London, Manchester, Glasgow, Cardiff, Belfast, Liverpool or ANY UK city for that matter... Thats America shit! Not UK... America you mugs! So anyone using words to those affects are obviously creating sub-cultures in this country from a culture from another totally different country! OBVIOUSLY! And gangsters dont call themselves gangsters, its just they're job!
This is shit!When are all these morons with farts as kicks and claps as snares going to realise the less music you spit over the more musicless it sounds! GET BACK TO THE 90'S AND SAMPLE SOME FUCKING RECORDS!What is that stupid computer sound anyway!?And funny GRIME was a word brought to fame by NORE... A hip hop rapper!So you cant sit there saying it isnt american wannabe!
wanibee american shit !! shut your dirty little cock suckin mouth, y dont ya get ya feckin ass over here, see what the place is all abont and then comment on that shit!!, whens you muthers gona grow some balls and heart and go abck home to afirca and show some love and respect to your REAL home instead of the dirty states, check out S.A.S - on dem roads, you lot always saying we tryin to be american!!! you muither fuckin speak OUR languge for starters but we dont say O you trying to be UK SHIT
stop us american cunts sayin uk US SCOTS R NUTHIN LIKE THESE ENGLISH NIGGERS TRYIN A B AMERICAN 90% SCOTLAND SHIT ON ENGLAND WE DONT SING WEE SONGS KIDDEN ON WE R GANGSTERS AND HARD, WE R TOUGH AW 2GETHER N GO TOE 2 TOE TO FUCK CUNTS UP NO LIKE U SHITEBAGS WAE YUR TOTTIE GUNS COZ ENY1 CAN PUL A TRIGGER, IT AINT HARD THER FUR PUSSIES
you know whats gangsta :) x
mandy59469 1 month ago
this song is gansta
specisstillwedie 2 months ago
channel u..
28SlingerThe 6 months ago 2
@28SlingerThe nowdays that channel is poo
C2daHokiie 1 month ago
@C2daHokiie real talk gee
28SlingerThe 1 month ago
Belfast - thats gangsta
WESTSIDE19711996 6 months ago
real talk tune old days
0798428456 6 months ago
guys sik an englands gangsta socdk you punk sort ya life out bitch
TheMlviper 7 months ago
junior!
Superzabice60 8 months ago
England - That's not gangsta
socdk 10 months ago
@socdk lol
youngs1ncere 10 months ago
@socdk england- not gangsta
USA- not gangsta
whole of the west- not gangsta
afghanistan- thats gangsta
mexico- thats gangsta
africa- thats gangsta
pakistan- thats gangsta
palestine- thats gangsta
south america- thats gangsta
saq786786 7 months ago
@saq786786 Me bangin your mom - That's gangsta!
socdk 7 months ago
@saq786786 gangsta - government propaganda
bugzak47 2 months ago
2005 man seems like a lifetime ago
MyHipHopTunes 11 months ago
yo dis takes me back a few years
badboyshanker1 11 months ago
CHHUNEEEE !
Niczstah 11 months ago
AWESOME TRACK love it-3
lauren6452 11 months ago
@ThePiacentini ah same as well I listened to it and I was like this don't sound like N'Dubz :S
lauren6452 11 months ago
love this song downloaded it on limewire and it said ndubz thats not gangster i was like no this is sincere big tune
ThePiacentini 1 year ago
i remeber dis track on channel u good
times but now u have aka wft
GunaveliJoeyGunz 1 year ago
i love this song!!
missBOKAY 1 year ago
ya aint real cuz you not a gangsta classic track
liam5scotstrooper 1 year ago
this is so about the rude boy wanna be at my school
kayleighk011 1 year ago
hold tight my niggaz that've been gone till november, you kept it real, my name you didnt mention.
mostlyslick 1 year ago
Dis tune speaks so much truth
Bare man think der hard cus dey ant got a job n go round smokin zoots ther fukin wastemen!
KryshantiDiamond 2 years ago 3
Beatin Up Ur Babys Momma Thats Not Gangsta
Bu If Shes Playin Abaht Do Wha Youu Have Tu
Siik Barz
@paulyboi10 Peas - Money
18badbwoi 2 years ago 3
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18badbwoi 2 years ago
waitin on ur giro thats not gangsta lol jokes
junkinmatrunk1 2 years ago
wat does peas mean ?
Paulyboi10 2 years ago
papers assin money
leeboy0777 2 years ago
p's means money.
helinza 2 years ago
this tunes tough,
NorthCoast44 2 years ago
STDs...thats not gangsta
daggakid90 2 years ago
dont he no theres a jeep trying to get past him near the endddd???? lol
ki11111111 2 years ago
wooooww i aint heard dis for time
SlueDot 2 years ago 4
"i droped food on u nar now go and get ma peas blud thats gangster" lol
18badbwoi 2 years ago
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Rappin' in SPAR? THATS NOT GANGSTA
Unable to see cuz ya caps on too low? THATS NOT GANGSTA
Being from the UK, THATS NOT GANGSTA
Postin' on youtube, VERY NOT GANGSTA.
RooCHToTB 2 years ago
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topazamal 2 years ago
whats the tune when sincere is something like (theese chicks wanna take dick cos they think im a rockstar but the griss cos they know im not a rockstar im a star selling rocks) ? tht probz aint right but i dunno
supperstarr50 2 years ago
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my version?
he thinks his a badman, thats not gangsta,
he gets shot up, thats not gangsta,
he thinks he for real dude, thats not gangsta
kid thinks his invincable, this pricks a wanksta(8)
imuperman13itch 2 years ago
My version for u...
You need to learn how to spell invincible... that's not Gangsta
You're a jealous oaf ... that's not Gangsta
Ur a broke ass punk faggot... that's not gangsta
u need to get a life u fucking Wanker!!
you like it?
hoodiemoney24 2 years ago
mint chuune!!! hu givz 1.. azta watt ez sed tiz a fookin song getz wid it !!! mii goshh! bust it owt mann dem!! yeeh hahha xx
soxxx09 2 years ago
cool sonng
laurenrossiter 2 years ago
y does it say this is a ndubz song on mp3raid
ndubz676 2 years ago 2
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MissKeezo 2 years ago
down with the british!
hahaha long tooth bitchs
hjhjhjhlol 2 years ago
Ill track cuz.
Misunderstood246 2 years ago
i like this cos it has a good message and good words (WITH ACTUAL MEANING!!!) lol e.g. 'beating up ur baby's mother - thats not gangsta!' (or summat) etc...
and its actually true he seems like a good role model...
:)
5*
xx
peepe2k7 2 years ago
'beating up ur baby's mother - that's not gangsta'
"...but if she's fucks up, boy, do what ya haffta"
Role model... riiiiiiiiiiiiight
WebbanationX 2 years ago 2
oh yh i know i didnt mean that bit, that was the bit where i was like 'erm...' - cos i didnt know exactly what he said., which is why i wrote '(or summat)'
and im a girl so i especially find it quite cowardly so you know...
but i think he said it maybe cos it rhymes, but if not that is not good...
xx
peepe2k7 2 years ago
possibly he said it cos they might be whores or druggies or summat, but still that really is not good ("...but if she's fucks up, boy, do what ya haffta")
peepe2k7 2 years ago
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fuckwithme991 2 years ago
dont really like the courus... but some of his bars are quite hard
sn4tch23 2 years ago
dis guy chats soo much shit bout smokin dis n dat ent gangsta wen i bet he dose all dem shits
pavel1109 2 years ago
i luv dis song. its well gud
scunnygirl09 2 years ago
no dis tune is ded.
hes tryna act like hes hard :s
o0o0o022 2 years ago
how u know he isn't hard..
HackneyClapper 2 years ago
This is my tune!
Bare real talk in dis
xDown2Earthx 2 years ago
good track, it somehow reminds me of akala s bullshit.
lilt33 2 years ago
when i see this clip i wonder if he has tongue trust. his front teeth seem so pushed out
bestvidz2009 2 years ago
fukin evry fing he said is true
boxing556 2 years ago
its true wt his sayin if ur makein like 10gs dats nuffin 2 the big boys
123neverno 3 years ago
wicked song! but bit of a cheap vid
goldbikechamp 3 years ago
yeahh this song's sikk!
Back in the day when channel U was respectable.
GuitarHeroDragon 3 years ago 5
Wotta Bruv, Ledge Sng init blad. keep it up bruv
Josh666789 3 years ago
das not gangstaaaa alll u fukin haterz hatin online u all pussssio big up maaaa city LONDON init
B4DB0Y786 3 years ago 5
he's got some real tlk on here!!
heavybruza 3 years ago 9
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yh dis is big unow dem wastemans need 2 open to dis -bless-
claphat123 3 years ago
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tune who is this wasteman rebillion about lol jokes cool rebillion
koazkid11 3 years ago
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lol
rabellion200 3 years ago
Brap, big up sincere big track
kreamk9 3 years ago 16
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who said STD's Was Gangsta lol?
CovManz149 3 years ago
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LOOOOOOOOOOOL
good point
ldn2lc 3 years ago
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frist i have no clue wth he is saying then i got scared the hug my teddy
chips1234657 3 years ago
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thats n ot gangsta wtf lol
chips1234657 3 years ago
so lovely!
i love u WI
091515 3 years ago
thiss sik old but sik still
deadriseingVII 3 years ago
LOVE DIS SONG
GET TO NOEE!
squashchick1996 3 years ago 4
lol this song kl
stu2309 3 years ago
epic fail.
ssmows6 3 years ago
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this video's NOT GANGSTA
youngs1ncere 3 years ago
Lmao
EllSlick 3 years ago
Tune in which i aint erd in time
leefromessex 3 years ago 4
n fat tune
smivers15 3 years ago 3
americans r wankers
smivers15 3 years ago 6
prolly the only uk mc with swag
kedordu 3 years ago 3
oh yea i didnt forget s.a.s .. they splashtastic.
kedordu 3 years ago
straight up, i think the american and uk perception on "gangsta" is very different....
youngs1ncere 3 years ago 4
nice tune.... tell em' cuzzzz....!!!!!
zalexfcxxx 3 years ago
STD's THATS NOT GANGSTA!!! hahaha haahahah
youngs1ncere 3 years ago 2
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his hood looks like a fuckin rich neighborhood like fuckin riverdale in the bronx. this niggas is tha real WANKSTA. fuck this nigga. everything he says is an immitation of US rap, it's pathetic. this nigga wants to to be in dipset or some shit fuckin dick in his anus. says "made men" and "ogs". this nigga does not know about what it's like to go to central booking. nigga would get fuckin finished by some real amor de rey niggas, disemboweled with a carved spoon. fuck u bitch ass brit dicksucks
mcmcnyc 3 years ago
u watch too much tv, thats not gangster
comparing with places in ur city, thats nt gngsta, BLUID U R A WANKSTA ths nt gngsta
PuttyKatFiller 3 years ago 2
He must live in a wealthy hood then
Rocafile 3 years ago 2
hahah mcmcnyc word
youngs1ncere 3 years ago
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Sayin
"disemboweled with a carved spoon"
ain't gangsta
cacy03 3 years ago
THATS NOT GANGSTER
02085735425 3 years ago 3
are you refering to sincere's song not being gangsta or are you just saying the title
Rocafile 3 years ago
Sick tune
Sincere is a propa Legend x
xxPinkyStarfish 3 years ago
Sincere's too sick. Genuine talent.
TinoStruggle081 4 years ago 4
I have this on my fon but it says its by n-dubz lol
Rapstar164 4 years ago
i kno same here
NorthWest10ChurchRd 3 years ago
yh lol it says on myn too
ryzaere 3 years ago
massive track
salmanmadd 4 years ago 4
oi that bwid guys probably jus some posh rock head..u cant say all white guys r this or all white guys r that..certain man need to go an educate them selfs..an the fact u gotta thumbs up for that peice of shit comment u left proves my point
rustyoldbanger 4 years ago
hating uk grime that's not gangsta
nufc0789 4 years ago 5
heavy track..its bout time lyrics was positive man...non of dat fake gangster bullshit..u can act gangster now, in bout 10 years u be either locked up still or drivin a metro on benefits...all dem other boyz dat kept their heads down gonna be chillin in their Mercs with a fuckin office tellin manz what to do...Knowledge is power man...study people...actin gangster aint gonna get u nowhere
MoFake 4 years ago 5
sickk track, lol he says STD's that aint gangsta lmaoo
dolmang 4 years ago 6
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Omg I hate this kind of shit.
Fucking nigger.
BWID 4 years ago
if u hate shit like this play a blind eye to it u fucking nazi and keep ur coments to ur self.........
ps
this nigger recomend u to kill ur self.
f05314745 4 years ago 10
The pound is stronger than the dollar,
Holla.
jogabonitoant 4 years ago 22
haha
GuitarHeroDragon 3 years ago
@jogabonitoant Suckkk outtttttt
switch290 1 year ago
man this aint gangsta!.. type in this real gangsta shit on the search screen -->(DONt include the quotes)
"STRAIGHT OUTTA HUNTERS POINT - TRAILER"
rich925 4 years ago
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what the fuck is this shit.......take this shit off!
ih8bearshare 4 years ago
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wtf this shit whack haha
sblaze419 4 years ago
dis is a tuneee !!!! big tune n katrice u av std's dats not gangsta haha u got herpies das not gangsta !!!
StatusNo1 4 years ago
aight one thing, if u dont like sway or any of the UK rappers, dont watch it, wut kind of dumbass goes to a vid they dont like..
RileyFreeman11teen 4 years ago
i got this on ma fone its fookin wikid :D
stamfordsgirl 4 years ago
dis is a sik tune, betta den most grime music coz dey jus hype da videos wiv begs from da ends finkin dey bad mans!!
i live in dem flats nd u dont c me jumpin into sincere's vid finkin im a bad man!!
USA hip hop is goneeeeeee
cbowles89 4 years ago
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cbowles, what the fuck u know bout da hood? usa hip hop is gone? usa invented hip hop and is keepin it alive, uk doesnt have any idea what real hip hop is. hop off americas dick you fuckin "wanker"
youngs1ncere 3 years ago
lol
musbuka 3 years ago
usa invented hip-hop & the usa killed hip-hop :) i mean soulja boy?? even 50 is sellin out with his greed for money. blud at least our music is still goin strong fresh MC's, fresh Producers, we cant be tested
riy10 3 years ago 7
shup nurde, u just dont appreciate good music!
hondacivic978 4 years ago
THATS NOT GANGSTA!!!!!!!
thug033 4 years ago
S.A.S north east street bluds y2k ill cut all u yanks h8ters breezin outta britwell bang bang
sam36465 4 years ago
oi yanks ur rap shit is WEEEEEEAAAAAAAAK get me...mosta ur MCs cant spit 4 shit britain is where the best spittin is at now!!!
bluboi117 4 years ago
sounds like one of Sincere's boys is playin Atari in the background...
Nurde 4 years ago
im not from britain im from ireland so not biased but thats alot beter than alot os american shit example mimms(the fuck outta here)
hillstreet099 4 years ago 2
this shit sucks.....keep that shit in London dont bring it over here please.
odbeatz 4 years ago
lol American's are so stupid. they don't even know there are countries outside of USA lmao. They don't even know what's going on in the next city. They're stuck in their own ignorance and can't talk shit about any other country.
illated 4 years ago
Sincere's British accent... thats not gangsta... and neither is this weak beat.
Nurde 5 years ago
suck my Big .... Nurde, let me guess your another durty little american who"s never even left the dirty states but yet comments on the rest of the world like he knows it all!! UK"s for real and a beautiful thing !! yo get ya ass back africa bitch and show some love for your brothers an sisters unlike muthers like samuel jackson who sit on 1000000 g"s yet dont dso shit!!! MAKE ME SICK YOUALLLL DO
keepsoncummin 4 years ago
Damn don't get all riled up or anything. Touchy, touchy. Just so u should know keepson I'm writing this comment from Japan, so it was a good guess, but wrong. Oh yeah and no I'm not black. I wasn't hatin' on London bro, u got me all wrong... just this track... cause its so WEAK!
Nurde 4 years ago
This song is fuckin awesome, thanks a lot.
SCDogg 5 years ago
PS: There are no gangsta's or thugs or souljahs or blah blah in London, Manchester, Glasgow, Cardiff, Belfast, Liverpool or ANY UK city for that matter... Thats America shit! Not UK... America you mugs! So anyone using words to those affects are obviously creating sub-cultures in this country from a culture from another totally different country! OBVIOUSLY! And gangsters dont call themselves gangsters, its just they're job!
MykesTheMig 5 years ago
This is shit!When are all these morons with farts as kicks and claps as snares going to realise the less music you spit over the more musicless it sounds! GET BACK TO THE 90'S AND SAMPLE SOME FUCKING RECORDS!What is that stupid computer sound anyway!?And funny GRIME was a word brought to fame by NORE... A hip hop rapper!So you cant sit there saying it isnt american wannabe!
MykesTheMig 5 years ago
wanibee american shit !! shut your dirty little cock suckin mouth, y dont ya get ya feckin ass over here, see what the place is all abont and then comment on that shit!!, whens you muthers gona grow some balls and heart and go abck home to afirca and show some love and respect to your REAL home instead of the dirty states, check out S.A.S - on dem roads, you lot always saying we tryin to be american!!! you muither fuckin speak OUR languge for starters but we dont say O you trying to be UK SHIT
Voodoo4peace444 5 years ago
fuck all american cunts, your all fat and fake, grime is what its about !
gazgerrard1988 5 years ago
Fak ol US wankers! England! BRAP iz da shit! London City !
KillaHH22119 5 years ago 2
gay.
saigonz 5 years ago
Brrrrrrrrrrraaaaaaaap POW POW POW
scootaboi 5 years ago
Dats a pure mint tune so fcuk all u AMERICAN dcik heads
scootaboi 5 years ago
Thi5 5hit Aint Gang5ta! Thi5 Nigga i5 waxk. 3a5t5id3, NY, 93 G'5 ar3 tha r3al Gang5ta5
specf03 5 years ago
this nigga sucks dick
revere781 5 years ago
being a UK fag and rapping is not gangsta, the hip hop culture originated from the slums of America not from the flats of the UK.
Merforga111 5 years ago
stop us american cunts sayin uk US SCOTS R NUTHIN LIKE THESE ENGLISH NIGGERS TRYIN A B AMERICAN 90% SCOTLAND SHIT ON ENGLAND WE DONT SING WEE SONGS KIDDEN ON WE R GANGSTERS AND HARD, WE R TOUGH AW 2GETHER N GO TOE 2 TOE TO FUCK CUNTS UP NO LIKE U SHITEBAGS WAE YUR TOTTIE GUNS COZ ENY1 CAN PUL A TRIGGER, IT AINT HARD THER FUR PUSSIES
kilted06yass 5 years ago
It Dont Matta Where "Hip Hop Culture" Originated From!
It's Where UK Culture Originated From!
Fuck The States!
Hold It London Town!
Shogun2k7 5 years ago
yes mate your defo not gangsta ya music is shite piss off and claim your giro
NFFC372 5 years ago
dis is 1 shit trak
jonny7196 5 years ago
Being from the UK thats not gangsta NIGGA of my dick! your whack on the real bitch niggaz in the uk dont bang shit you aint gangsta
YoungMoose 5 years ago
hughiegpimp shut the hell up you wasteman.
Josh360 5 years ago
Dat wack ass british shit, IN GENERAL dat shit aint gangsta
domthompson325 5 years ago
piss off prick!! UK Grime iz da bludddd! US iz trash!
KillaHH22119 5 years ago
sick guy braaaaaaaaap
alkajaj 5 years ago
diss songz tuff styll
xlc27 5 years ago
WHAT THE HELL IS BRAP??? wanksta's..all yall london wanna be niggas... only real rap comes from...USA..HOLLA AT YOUR BOY .GGGGG UNIT!!!
hughiegpimp 5 years ago
lol GGGGGGGG Unit is shite
BradleyUK 5 years ago 2
yeh u jumped up yank!!! we all knows dat you fat ass americans cnt spit
tunacheese 5 years ago
no one wants to hear about u usa wannabe cunts when we're talkin about uk grime u fuckin wasteman BRAP Brap!!!!
mattyboi89 4 years ago
jeaaa dis tune is dope nigaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
abs69 5 years ago
im not a gangsta, therefore im not real,shit,thats me fucked then
DASLIBERTINE 5 years ago
hes saying u act like a gangsta, if u act like a gangsta u not real cos ur not
kreamk9 5 years ago
U aint real cauz ure not a gangsta....TyT tUNE...bRAAAPZ
crg 5 years ago 2
yeh gangsta bitch
ashe666 5 years ago
werz dis breh frm?
thehustl3r 5 years ago
gettin lick dwn dats not gangsta bbbrraapp!!! STDz dats nt gangta
mrsly06 5 years ago
You hot bruv. Come check out the movement www.rawurbantalent.co.uk we need peeps like u in our endz. BRUP!!!!!!!!!!!
RawUrbanTalent 5 years ago
BRAP! Sincere runnin theses tingz!!!1
thehustl3r 5 years ago
YeAh - - gAnGsTa - -
lover0487 6 years ago