The guy on the right reminds me of that piece of shit rush limbaugh. Completely deviates from topic. What does speed of light and the electron have to do with legal legislation? I don't like SOPA but to say everything should be shared freely is retarded.
People pirate because it is cheap and easy. If it were easily possible to legally download unlimited amounts of movies and music for a small subscription fee, I'd be willing to pay for that.
This is an option that is still not available in my country though...
Uhhhh, "He already had a big cannon". Really? This doesn't matter. I can show you examples of games on steam where they say pay what you want. If you want to pay $0 or $10, then that's up to you and guess what? These games made a ton of money.
People love DRM and it works?! Umm, NO! DRM only inconveniences law abiding people. People don't hate DRM because they don't know about it, the Netflix stream just works. But as soon as you run into a problem DRM is always hated.
I can't wait for high quality 3D printers to be cheap and common.. It's going to tear apart the outdated concepts of IP and Copyright. Those concepts had their place, and were once important, but now and in the future, new systems/methods will need to be created, around open standards and the undeniable certainty that if someone wants to copy something or recreate it for free, you cannot stop them. But maybe I'm talking about something which requires a full redesign of society and economics..
There is no solution. Even if you declare a worldwide interface that identifies the media perfectly prior to transmission and gets a license grant from some Orwellian central information Holy Synod, then I will send random static to my destination. The static will be re-interpreted as the Lion King by a machine implicitly defined between sender and receiver.
There IS NO WAY TO STOP THIS. Only to make it inconvenient.
"If our system is broken, so be it."!?!?!?! What the FUCK!? REALLY? REALLY!? "That's how the game is played."
Mr. Patel, who the heck are you to say that our current broken world is fine as is and we just have to "deal with it"!? Usually when someone sees something that is broken, they:
1) Repair it.
or 2) Replace it.
The fact that you're not outraged that our current politico/economic is broken, yet shouldn't be dealt with...
"Oh, I know the system is broken. But at least I'm getting paid.
there is a button and it called the 'Flag as inappropriate' and have a symbol of a flag on the youtube. it is below the video player along the 'like/dislike', 'add to', 'share' buttons. I think the UMG people just press the Flag button.
Nilay Patel still didn't answer how *any* legislation will stop the piracy. SOPA won't. You can still access thepiratebay. If they block the DNS record for it, you can still access it by IP: 194.71.107.15. SOPA or any other legislation would be a power grab by the recording industry, it will only make the internet shittier. It's not going to stop the piracy.
@olegkikin yeah, Nelay couldn't come up with one answer, he kept repeating himself plus Leo is like one of the wise sages of the internet so he's always thinking about possible solutions, but piracy can never be stopped and the movie & music industries are not really suffering due to piracy, let me think, the movie industry just made a buttload of money with 2 words, Breaking Dawn
Nobody has any complaints about Netflix? What about people like me who can't use it because the crap DRM doesn't work on Linux? Oh that's right this guy has no clue what he's talking about!
pirating is a servicing problem. invent a better distribution network or media delivery system and you effectively discourage pirating. look at steam, it just made games easier to obtain, cheaper and a lot of people that would have probably pirated the game, are content to not have to go through the trouble and just buy it off steam and download it.
@stoneybrookjoe No, Leo's comments on piracy are the hard truths. He's not saying we should just live with it, he's saying that the users who pay for content shouldn't be inconvenienced by things like DRM. And the analogy with Ford is a very bad example, because, as Leo was saying, we should stop treating digital content as something physical that we own. Its very easy to replicate bits, unlike automobile parts.
@stoneybrookjoe I believe Leo's point was that piracy is already illegal under current law, and these supposed technical fixes, like SOPA, are useless because pirates are smart and can always circumvent these types of blocks. Whereas most non-pirate Internet users won't be able to work around this problem and just see the Internet as unusable.
I wouldn't suggest you leave YouTube (although I usually try to watch you guys live on on the Twit iPhone app). However, I'd like to see something like different channels for different shows. Twit seems to clog my subscriptions.
Well done, Leo, well argued on the piracy issue. It is way too easy to fall into the trap of "obvious" arguments when dealing with the issue of piracy, but you have one major argument on your side - reality. And, honestly, I wish you'd press people on the ultimate hypocrisy of these arguments, as a LOT of their careers were built on either "copying" other people's stuff or based on knowledge acquired from piracy - who the hell bought Photoshop when first using it? Or video/audio editing sftwr?
I always had a feeling that NIlay was a dick. I found The Verge through one of the sites he mentioned in a google result for Lumia 800 review and now I visit The Verge daily, watch the podcast and the monthly show.
As to movies, tv shows etc if Netflix went worldwide with same content available everywhere with all movie companies onboard and cable channels piracy would die except for those that can't afford it.I'd pay way more then Netflix charge to access what I want when I want wherever I am
You cannot expect people would pay for the things they pirate.
The logic goes the other way around.
If I sell 1 copy and lose 99 to piracy, I can only assume I would sell 1 copy in a piracy-free world, and that no one else would ever watch my content.
Rather, with the pirated content, I will have 99 more viewers, which may prompt a few more copies to be sold. Piracy actually helps content which would otherwise die right out.
Non-US internet user here,
WTF stop imposing american law and ideals on the rest of the world!
carusk 2 months ago 3
The guy on the right reminds me of that piece of shit rush limbaugh. Completely deviates from topic. What does speed of light and the electron have to do with legal legislation? I don't like SOPA but to say everything should be shared freely is retarded.
carrefamily01 2 months ago
People pirate because it is cheap and easy. If it were easily possible to legally download unlimited amounts of movies and music for a small subscription fee, I'd be willing to pay for that.
This is an option that is still not available in my country though...
XenoGenome 2 months ago
In fact here is what I'm taking about, Humble_Indie_Bundle, look it up on wiki
kungfu71186 2 months ago
Uhhhh, "He already had a big cannon". Really? This doesn't matter. I can show you examples of games on steam where they say pay what you want. If you want to pay $0 or $10, then that's up to you and guess what? These games made a ton of money.
kungfu71186 2 months ago
People love DRM and it works?! Umm, NO! DRM only inconveniences law abiding people. People don't hate DRM because they don't know about it, the Netflix stream just works. But as soon as you run into a problem DRM is always hated.
igeekone 2 months ago
They're BITS! Its over!
SonnOfNeil 2 months ago
I can't wait for high quality 3D printers to be cheap and common.. It's going to tear apart the outdated concepts of IP and Copyright. Those concepts had their place, and were once important, but now and in the future, new systems/methods will need to be created, around open standards and the undeniable certainty that if someone wants to copy something or recreate it for free, you cannot stop them. But maybe I'm talking about something which requires a full redesign of society and economics..
NikoKun 2 months ago
There is no solution. Even if you declare a worldwide interface that identifies the media perfectly prior to transmission and gets a license grant from some Orwellian central information Holy Synod, then I will send random static to my destination. The static will be re-interpreted as the Lion King by a machine implicitly defined between sender and receiver.
There IS NO WAY TO STOP THIS. Only to make it inconvenient.
Kreadus005 2 months ago
Go Leo!
Kreadus005 2 months ago
Leo is a funny & great debater of the sopa bill.
UrielVS 2 months ago in playlist This Week In Tech
Leo is awesome! Nice flower vase... :D
SonicBlue04 2 months ago
*That side deal really should constitute antitrust. against the music groups.
CViFi 2 months ago
That sise-deal is antitrust!
CViFi 2 months ago
"If our system is broken, so be it."!?!?!?! What the FUCK!? REALLY? REALLY!? "That's how the game is played."
Mr. Patel, who the heck are you to say that our current broken world is fine as is and we just have to "deal with it"!? Usually when someone sees something that is broken, they:
1) Repair it.
or 2) Replace it.
The fact that you're not outraged that our current politico/economic is broken, yet shouldn't be dealt with...
"Oh, I know the system is broken. But at least I'm getting paid.
otakurpgamer 2 months ago
Leo Laporte for President in 2012!
shinobizach89 2 months ago in playlist This Week In Tech
there is a button and it called the 'Flag as inappropriate' and have a symbol of a flag on the youtube. it is below the video player along the 'like/dislike', 'add to', 'share' buttons. I think the UMG people just press the Flag button.
zevmag 2 months ago in playlist More videos from twit
NO! Don't ban Egg McMuffins!!!!!
LCCDrummer 2 months ago
Nilay Patel still didn't answer how *any* legislation will stop the piracy. SOPA won't. You can still access thepiratebay. If they block the DNS record for it, you can still access it by IP: 194.71.107.15. SOPA or any other legislation would be a power grab by the recording industry, it will only make the internet shittier. It's not going to stop the piracy.
olegkikin 2 months ago 7
@olegkikin yeah, Nelay couldn't come up with one answer, he kept repeating himself plus Leo is like one of the wise sages of the internet so he's always thinking about possible solutions, but piracy can never be stopped and the movie & music industries are not really suffering due to piracy, let me think, the movie industry just made a buttload of money with 2 words, Breaking Dawn
shinobizach89 2 months ago
Nobody has any complaints about Netflix? What about people like me who can't use it because the crap DRM doesn't work on Linux? Oh that's right this guy has no clue what he's talking about!
drakethegreat 2 months ago
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drakethegreat 2 months ago
I wanna punch the guy on the left in the face
CeeRoyJenkins 2 months ago 4
Nilay has no fucking clue, he's just mad because someone may copy his shit. he has no real solution, but will just sit there and rage about it.
cruzdavid72 2 months ago
@cruzdavid72 I don't think he wast he one raging...
commets 2 months ago
pirating is a servicing problem. invent a better distribution network or media delivery system and you effectively discourage pirating. look at steam, it just made games easier to obtain, cheaper and a lot of people that would have probably pirated the game, are content to not have to go through the trouble and just buy it off steam and download it.
cruzdavid72 2 months ago
@cruzdavid72 lol you just watched totalbiscuit too
Goffeth312 2 months ago
Great debate. Both had good points but I have to side with Leo.
F8X 2 months ago
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Man, Leo was really disrespectful towards Nilay. He needs to grow up and understand that not everyone agrees with him.
commets 2 months ago
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commets 2 months ago
nilay patel= big dick
bigbudha168 2 months ago
Great debate, and amazing that both parties didn't lose it, SOPA is like using nuclear weapons being used to address the theft of soda from a 7/11.
morb02 2 months ago
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stoneybrookjoe 2 months ago
@stoneybrookjoe No, Leo's comments on piracy are the hard truths. He's not saying we should just live with it, he's saying that the users who pay for content shouldn't be inconvenienced by things like DRM. And the analogy with Ford is a very bad example, because, as Leo was saying, we should stop treating digital content as something physical that we own. Its very easy to replicate bits, unlike automobile parts.
viralvideoguy1988 2 months ago 3
@stoneybrookjoe I believe Leo's point was that piracy is already illegal under current law, and these supposed technical fixes, like SOPA, are useless because pirates are smart and can always circumvent these types of blocks. Whereas most non-pirate Internet users won't be able to work around this problem and just see the Internet as unusable.
IpseVerus 2 months ago
I wouldn't suggest you leave YouTube (although I usually try to watch you guys live on on the Twit iPhone app). However, I'd like to see something like different channels for different shows. Twit seems to clog my subscriptions.
tylerwarren 2 months ago
@tylerwarren deffinately. They do have playlists on their channel for the different shows, but this is useless on the iPhone.
TheJordanJanssen 2 months ago
Leo doesn't fuck around kids.
andrewdenson 2 months ago 2
Careful, King Leo will fire EVERYBODY if he gets mad. #EricLanigan
julian734 2 months ago
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MipoFilms 2 months ago
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julian734 2 months ago
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@MipoFilms I beg to differ...I saw Leo talking about it live on twit.
julian734 2 months ago
Well done, Leo, well argued on the piracy issue. It is way too easy to fall into the trap of "obvious" arguments when dealing with the issue of piracy, but you have one major argument on your side - reality. And, honestly, I wish you'd press people on the ultimate hypocrisy of these arguments, as a LOT of their careers were built on either "copying" other people's stuff or based on knowledge acquired from piracy - who the hell bought Photoshop when first using it? Or video/audio editing sftwr?
godthisisannoying 2 months ago 2
I always had a feeling that NIlay was a dick. I found The Verge through one of the sites he mentioned in a google result for Lumia 800 review and now I visit The Verge daily, watch the podcast and the monthly show.
As to movies, tv shows etc if Netflix went worldwide with same content available everywhere with all movie companies onboard and cable channels piracy would die except for those that can't afford it.I'd pay way more then Netflix charge to access what I want when I want wherever I am
groMMit1981 2 months ago
stamps(dot)com don't let u try it w/t out a credit card.
jamesjakejohn 2 months ago
You cannot expect people would pay for the things they pirate.
The logic goes the other way around.
If I sell 1 copy and lose 99 to piracy, I can only assume I would sell 1 copy in a piracy-free world, and that no one else would ever watch my content.
Rather, with the pirated content, I will have 99 more viewers, which may prompt a few more copies to be sold. Piracy actually helps content which would otherwise die right out.
Pacoup 2 months ago
Go Leo,Your so wrong Nilay.
pitbull466 2 months ago
So that was a little testy.
enterprise1705 2 months ago
hahaha the melting clock
MipoFilms 2 months ago