Don't worry about what nObama says. It's all BS & bananas. Watch what he does. He's a 1 termer. If we can survive the next 3 yrs. As for the vid - nice english dialect. No way you're really American.
do we pay reparations to the iraqWUT!!?? o.k. i have no problem with that, but before you pay them, i think we got alot of africans look'en for that one...
Well, your statements a little drastic, but are true.
We must learn to make our economy leaner, or it will collapse under it's own weight.
On heath care while we don't need to completely eliminate "alternative" subsidized policies, we should have a government plan that they must compete with to set the baseline standard.
On lending reform, we can't just throw money at the problem, nor can we let the banks collapse. We must reform them so they won't use predatory lending.
. Your reading my comment 2. Now your saying/thinking thats a stupid fact. 4. You didnt notice that i skipped 3. 5. Your checking it now. 6. Your smiling. 7. Your still reading my comment. 8. You know all you have read is true. 10. You didn't notice that i skipped 9. 11. Your checking it now. 12. You didn't notice there are only 10 facts Copy and paste to 1 video, tomorrow will be your best day ever! no matter what
Why do they all talk about rebuilding an America that is failed or has been destroyed? This is scary (and untrue) no matter what side it is comming from.
If you start reading thins you CANT stop .Once ther was a little girl named Cecilia.She was a little 7 year old who got strangled and raped by a man =.If you dont post this to 15 other videos you will see CCecilia standing at the end of your bed with a knife and she will kill you
You have to do this by midnight or you will be dead
hahaha and I thought posting on this video in the first place was sad and a waste of my time after watching this ignorant piece of shiet, but the fact you seem to be offended by it makes it allllllllllll worth while.
Comparing his bowling to the Special Olympics on "The Tonight Show" Thursday, GUTTER BALL.
The Federal Reserve is dropping trillions of fresh paper dollars on the world economy, the President of the US is cracking jokes on late night comedy shows. I am concerned about Obama's competence & the monumentally dysfunctional U.S. Congress launching another public jihad against corps & banks.
Obama inherited the hell created by the Bush people. Hell just doesn't get up and walk out the door because we want it to - it is appeased only after it makes ruins of our society and landscape.
Or more like the american people. The economy is not bush's fault. It is our fault. We fucked up the banks and housing industry with our irresponsible spending. Bush was defending our nation (although he definately didn't do it perfectly).
History will look back and see bush as a decent president, but obama as a catastrophic failure.
Do some homework. Bush was crap, but there is SO much more to blame than one man and his administration. Look at our monetary policy for the last 100 years. Our foriegn policy for the last 50 or so. It's easy to slam Bush. It's hard to look at ourselves.
eeedel, Define "free"? The government does not produce/provide anything. In order to provide a service, the government must first syphon private property(money) from workers(taxpayers). Is that free?
eeedel, great! So you do acknowledge--that anything the government provides costs you money. So I guess that these things are not "free" then. Good, now take that current 33.3% and double it-- and wallah--you have your grossly inefficient and very expensive, rationed health care. Check out a VA hospital if you need a preview. Ciao
thank you for correcting my error.. also, thanks for contributing absolutely nothing to this discussion. i and everyone else here greatly appreciates it.
That was sarcasm you fucking whiny emo fag. But I guess you couldnt see that through all those layers of eyeliner. Make sure next time you randomly spell check someone.. but dont add anything of any value to a conversation there arent photos of yourself that can be found so easily.. fucking ripped up shirt, studded belt hipster cock gobbling douche.
"What is the cost of our addiction to things?" The cost is the consequence of our foolish actions, which I guess were only on loan -- but now the piper demands to be paid and we, befuddled by our own financial stupidity have only one cry - "Save us, O Government" Save us from our idiocy. Save us from our poor choices. Save us from ourselves. Wake up people! These politicians have their own agenda, and Joe the Plumber, American esquire, isn't in the loop.
Thats the cure for healthcare, pay as you go with a catastrophic policy that only costs a couple of hundred a year. Why dont we use health insurance like we do home insurance. You dont file a claim every time a hole gets knocked in a wall or a window is broken. Pay as you go would only cost a few more dollars than what most pay as a copay. If you have a $40 copay Aetna only pays $7 since $47 is all they will pay for an office visit to your PCP
Iraq posed no threat to it's neighbors? What? Even if that were true, and I would of thought the first Gulf war was proof enough that it wasn't true, isn't it enough to take Saddam the fuck out for gassing, torturing and starving his own people? For decades?
This guy bores me. I'm not sure what his point was: he heard "biggering" in a speech that was supposed to give us hope that America will rebuild. Newsflash: we need to rebuild and we WANT to rebuild. And also, it's not 'pre-emptive-war' if it's a war we've ALREADY been fighting for over five years.
Asshole. I'm gonna go watch some Keith Olbermann Special Comments. This guy doesn't know jack.
I agree with him, but yet his presentation is sort of douchey.
Wasn't everything he just said something I already knew? Did he just chastize me into thinking he knows more and then threw an opinion in at the last second expecting me to agree?
Stop the first year film school bullshit and just review the speech. Douche.
foolish statement, "by giving 'public' dollars to free healthcare to all". THAT right there is an oxymoron idiots. "public" dollars come from SOME people, not ALL especially since these "public" dollars will be paid by income taxes presumably. Right now the lower 60% of ALL US taxpayers are paying into the total "pool" around 20%. This means SOME people will get their healthcare "free", while the other taxpayers foot the bill. ALL quality will go down, JUST like the other "civilized" nations
I want More I Need More I Must Have More.... For God Sake What's Happing? Terrorist , Economic Collapse , Fear and more Fear! BUSH is gone and we're are still shitting our pant's? Anyone hear of LESS is MORE. The Shit is Over It's Us who make the NEW Way. The BETTER WAY. PEACE ALL!
Did you seriously just use the word "reparations" in the same sentence as "Iraq"? I'm not one of those defense contractors or anything, but that is an insane notion.
we did go to the moon. i come from a family of engineers in the space program. not that all conspiracy theories are bogus, but we gotta be careful.
i heard an interesting theory that the deception by our government has led to public distrust, which has in turn brought about this recent rash of conspiracy theories. take em with a grain of salt (while still keeping yourself informed)
Greensboro is further proof of what people can do BY THEMSELVES when unencumbered by government or regulations. Those people didn't need FEMA's help. And my home state of Missouri didn't need a bunch of federal assistance after floods here either a few years ago. We were able to help each other out and get things done.
FEMA and disaster relief suck. They discourage responsibility, because, after all, why be responsible when you know the feds can just bail you out?
Like those idiots on the great lakes a few weeks ago fishing or whatever the hell they were doing. They screwed up, and the government came in to bail them out. Now, would these people have been more apt to do this had there not been gov't aid? There is a chance, if those guys really are that stupid. But if they have any brains, they wouldn't.
And where were Blanco and mayor Nagin after Katrina? Why did htey just sit on their hands waiting for federal aid? they couldn't help? Please
if the government isn't the main power, it's not the average citizen who has "freedom" and power - it's the wealthy. I'd rather Congress make the rules than Citigroup.
I don't think you know any Americans. I'm Canadian, and I know many Americans. None of them are fat, lazy or stupid. You don't go to the moon, or mars by being fat, lazy and stupid, or by substituting letters for whole words.
I take this criticism as best I can personally it is a good thing that people point out issues no matter how big headed or wrong they can be... sometimes there's a golden egg to his mud flinging, you just need to listen.
Excellent commentary! I agree the for profit, insurance based health care system is a disaster. it is, in my opinion ,the biggest drag on our economy. It is why our corporations can not compete with much better paid unionized European workers!
Now is the take for radical change!
Unfortunately Obama is just another Democrat and will just rebuild the house of cards, which will undoubtly collapse again and again!
So for those of you who immediately post an ad hominem attack without taking time to think about what is being presented....here is an example of one person who had an immediate reaction, thought about and the message, and attained a new perspective of the arguments proffered in the video.
A gold star for abstract, reflective thinking.
Could possible be just what Veracifer would like people to do?
It suddenly makes sense to me what Bobby Jindal's response to Obama's speech meant.
Jindal indicates that government acted irresponsibly in response to Katrina. (Compare 0:51 about Greensboro, KS.)Then, the "tragedy was terrible" at 1:05 but Jindal saw Katrina as "an opportunity."
Seems to be sick-minded to think of tragedy in terms of opportunity. Unlike the Bush administration, I don't believe Obama is sick-minded.
Publicly funded Health Care via the government is perfectly good. Health Insurance companies are the bane of Health Care. They do nothing but get in the way and insure that you cannot recieve the treatments you NEED to be healthy or saved. That comes from my friend who quit being a Doctor because of Health Insurance company BS that made him watch patients suffer while his hands were tied. All these companies should be done away with in favor of a standardized health care system for all citizens.
I really appreciate your perspective, however sometimes I think you go too far. This is one of those times.
If I'm interpreting your anger correctly, you're really advocating an entirely 180 degree shift from America as it is right now. I hope you understand that this is just not possible and that it would be foolish for Obama to attempt to do that.
"Do not let perfect become the enemy of good."
"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step."
Lending.. you mean the convoluted compounding and confounding "we make this crap up as we go" lending?
We need simple interest loans.
Economic health? Fractional Reserve Lending must end. No more allowing banks to create money from nothing. If we can't grow with a rational economy.. we aren't doing it right!
I don't think Obama made any argument in favor of consumerism. He chided homeowners for buying houses they knew they couldn't afford- no matter what the idiot banker said. He asks us to build and invest in our future in education, our future in infrastructure and each other in health care.
Whoa! I somewhat agree with this, but i also believe that the president is doing the best he can with the cards he was dealt. He's taking the first steps that need to be taken to get us to where we want to go. Possibly no wars, more diplomacy and everyone getting along.
You know if there's another terrorist attack in the US, that the president will never hear the end of it?
We the people have to comunicate with each other and share our strength and listen, as well as speak and bring communities back together and think localy, as well as globaly. Patience is some times uncontumplaitable after two cups of joe.
One: consumption is not the cause of our awful foreign policy -- it's the way we go about getting consumption goods. Two: I too have doubts about how Obama plans to provide universal healthcare and still keep insurance companies in the game -- but this system is much too entrenched now to start over from scratch. Face it: single payer is probably not happening -- we should be open to other ideas. Three: Hell YES: Iraqis should get reparations -- but Bin Laden must be brought to justice also.
Consumption is inevitable, consumerism is not. The need for the continual expansion of our markets, even if it means war or the colonization of sovereign peoples (via territorial occupation or a state of economic dependency), is built in to the basic logic of capitalist economics. An economy-- in fact, social dynamics in general-- can be built around the notion of maintenance and sustainability rather than growth and a constant increase in productivity.
No Iran was a threat to Iraq which is why Saddam wanted the world to think he had WMDs. Saddam's military was decimated during the Gulf War.
Iran has three times the population and a more advanced military (if not necessarily significantly so). Iraq wouldn't of stood a chance against Iran in it's post-Gulf state.
Yes and they would have lost too if it wasn't for us meddling westerners. The US and it's allies interfered on Iraq's behalf to prevent a power imbalance with Iran. Besides this was before we destroyed their military during the Gulf and 22 years before the invasion.
BURN, good comments. We really need to understand that the substantive change that this country needs will not come with just one election. Much as a love president Obama, he is only a move in the right direction and we have been going in the wrong direction for a very long time.....
I welcome this gutsy video...Obama first month in office: from continuing the Bush policy of drone attacks against civilians, from ratcheting up the war in Aghanistan, to rescuing bankers first...(and not more deserving others), Obama is maintaining the status quo and the imbalance in power relations between the elite and the common folk.
altho you basicly quoted zeigeist 2, anyways im aware that zeitgeist may have flaws and gaps, but the idea of a ruling class of "elite" should be taken in to consideration... aswell some of the venus project elements would be a good start for a better future.
I don't know what zeitgeist2 is, but I will look it up. The concept of an elite is well rooted in political/sociological theory. I first came across it reading C Wright MIll's Power Elite and William Domhoff's works..stuff is 30-50 years old. As regards Obama, I'm simply taking his output and noticing how it preserves the Bankers, Health Insurance companies, etc. Even military spending is going up 4%, to over 630 bn. In other words, he is maintainig the power structure.
you said "...are all necessary to a thriving society"...remember, we are talking PRIVATE health insurance mediating our health care. All other industrialized countries "thrive" without it, and even surpass, if are to trust health indices. Nobody is claiming we dont' need banks or military, but a military that's used to maintain an empire abroard and constrain the nationalism and independent of other countries. Crucial distinction.
manster, did you expect anything else? Obama isn't going to challenge the power structure. The only ones who can do that are the people, organized in a relentless, international social movement to demand that change. In the meantime, Obama is throwing a few bones to the working people. His reforms will make a difference in people's immediate lives, which will stave off the social upheaval that would result if he continued to let people's lives fall into ruin.
do so, it has some intresting ideas and Philosophy that might come in handy one day, and i understand what your telling oboma is not ment to change anything, his presidency if from a list of individuals that are "acceptable" candidates that are told how to/ and will run office that way it has been for years, presidency is nothing more then a popularity contest.
zndprophet- No it is not dumb, maybe the fact that in order to fix a problem, it first has to be identified as being a problem. Do you really think that giving money to bankers is the solution to help stimulate the economy? Is making government bigger the solution to our economic problems? Is our continued presence in the Middle East a wise way of spending or indebting our nation? Obama came in office under the pretense of change and it should have been the same.
You act as is Sadam Hussain never killed, tourchured his own people, or let them starve. That the USA went in with out any justification. Wasn't he refusing to let UN inspectors in. What was he hiding?
One difficulty with suggesting solutions is that we have been suggesting them for years, and we've been ignored.
And many of us understand why. The banks are shutting the USA out of the global market. Our resoruces are in decline and so we are a declining empire. If our energy consumption can be shut down, then that will make the oil and gas last longer for other nations.
It's triage, and we're not making the cut. So it doesn't matter what solutions could be implemented, it's not in the plan.
Its funny that the mindset Americans have from the abuse of the last ten years is all or nothing. Change everything right now!!! Or you will be a failure. Gimme a break
Yes, that is EXACTLY the mindstate in which they should have. Take off the tin foil hat and join the rest of us in the real world. With in the short period of time he has been in office Obama has proven himself to be nothing but a fraud. If he would like to change this perseption that we have of him he should do all of the things he said he was gonna do on the campaign trail. After all, he said those things for a reason, and that reason is because those are the right things to do.
We was two-faced as a Senator. Why should he change now?
The writing was on the wall before he became president. The best example wasthe speech he gave about the Telecom Bill. He promised to filibuster it and do everything in his power to block it's passage. Instead, he voted for it.
Yes and maybe you and everyone else should give him more then a month to figure this mess out. He is trying to undo 30 years if not more of horrible decision making. Its hard to be patient. But lets have just a little. And this guy on the video is as full of himself as any politician. A whole lot of finger pointing but no real suggestions. I will not be keeping this subscription. Sick of all the hot air.
He's already made it clear what path he'll be taking for the next couple of years.
So perhaps we should wait two years and see if he changes course?
I see some positive signs in his actions. Unlike Bush, he's not all bad.
He should let the bad banks fail. He should enact a policy in which our trade barriers match thos of the nations we are trading with. Having no trade barriers in our dealings with nations that cheat us with their own trade barriers, is destroying jobs here.
Look at Africa in the 1970s, then South America, the USSR...
But shutting down nations in these areas, oil was freed up on the market for increasing consumption elsewhere.
In 2001, Argentina bailed out the banks we're bailing out, on the promise that they would increase lending. they did increase lending, then jacked interest rates to up to 40%. This shut down many of the factories, which eliminated competition to factories in Asia.
Same banks. Same men calling the shots. Same plan.
People make politics seem like a complicated thing when in reality it is as clear as day. If you say you're gonna do something then do it. I'm sure Obama isn't bluffing when he says he will eliminate anyone who threatens Israel so why does he bluff when it comes to withdrawing troops from Iraq or punishing the bankers that caused this financial mess? Obama is a fucking puppet for the elite and if you don't call him out on it now then America will cease to exist come next year!
Obama has been in office for one month....give him a chance to sort this shit out. And stop with the end of the world fence rattling....its fucking rediculous. And yes i am aware of every fucking possible theory about our demise. I just dont think he will bring it about.
He's got a point, like Dorothy's wizard and the Emperor's new clothes Obama's policies will quickly be shown as chimerical if the American public ever discover that his policies have no real content and that the change he advocates is not something you can believe in.
Realizing that that isn't critical thinking, is critical thinking. This guy is simply riding a huge wave of pessimism, there's really nothing smart about it. Smart is fixing things, not saying we can't.
Actually this was a pretty optimistic commentary. Sounds like this boy is getting the hang of the good old US of A. Oh, about the metamorphosis, we can put that baby somewhere between fat chance and no chance. Keep smiling, the boss loves idiots. Chou.
God people became fucking stupid in the last 8-10 years.
Obama's speech made complete sense to me. He didn't create this mess, and he is the ONLY ONE who has ANY solutions to even OFFER! Everyone else can tell you what's wrong, but there are absolutely NO solutions, ANYWHERE.
It's fucking ridiculous-do we want to fail? Really-do we?
What Obama said didn't sound like some magic, or some bullshit-it sounded practical-learn what worked in history, and do more of that, do less of what didn't!!
Excessive spending and debt caused the problem. Increasing spending and debt won't fix the problem.
We're past the World Peak of Oil production. Alternatives will mitigate this problem, but they can't be scaled to the colossal quantity of energy that oil provides.
Energy fuels industrial growth. When it declines, no amount of spending can increase industry. It must decline with energy. You can stuff a car with money, but if the tank has no gas, it won't go.
Going into a country that didn't attack you, destroying it, occupying it, and rebuilding it-is spending.
Putting money aside for smart, resourceful people to use in smart resourceful ways, namely research-is investing.
We can find a way, if we think we can, if we don't think we can, we will fail. I know that sounds cliche, but it really is true. If the door's locked, dont just give up and sleep outside, look to see if there's another way in.
My little brotherwas shot in the head in 1985 and died.
Will you bring him back to life for me? Or should I just accept that there are some problems that can't be solved? Say, "I think I can, I think I can" and resurrect him please.
I understand your argument, but I also understand the exponential function, I understand that consumption can't go to infinity and I understand overshoot.
I don't need unfounded faith in unknown people, when my own knowledge makes much the situation clear.
There are some problems that can't be solved. When run up against them, the proper course is to deal with them, not ignore them or pretend they don't exist.
Infinite growth is impossible. Our economy failed because oil production has peaked and gone into decline. This exposed all of the dirty little secrets and brought it down.
We can't go back to growth until we discover a new source of energy that beat oil in quality and quantity.
Obama is not the problem and he is not the antichrist. He is a natural born leader who has inherited a big pile of shit, that was once a great country. He is not in charge of the outcome but is duty bound to give it his best shot. What more can the people who elected him expect? Each anniversary of his inauguration will give us deeper insight into exactly who this man is. At this point, in the Bush tenure, all was well and people believed things were going swimmingly. Time reveals all truth.
What the hell...I didn't know Veracifier was a libertarian channel....I'm sick of this guy. I mean, what makes this asshole any different than the average shit-for-brains youtube cynic?
This guy's just a perpetual cynic, and anytime anyone tries to whisper anything optimistic, he sees it as his duty to shoot it down, "Ohp...no, no....we're definitely fucked. It's not gonna work, nothing's gonna work."
Look-I'm DONE with that fucking attitude, because it accomplishes NOTHING.
Bio energy seems to be the ticket. Without that the rich will become richer and all will become more more mutually preditory for whatever we got. We could soon be moving into a robotized or cyber reality with Artificial Intelligence. As far as people status goes it is up in the air. Should authoritative, preditory asshole be perpetually in charge of everyone else's fate? The society has to regenerate in a new way. We don't want to just kill the rich, but they will certainly kill for status.
Part of the problem with people who want to be in power, is they tend to try to take power away from other viable people and make them into wage slaves. Another part of the problem is class entrenchment which ultimately causes some people to go into the "the poor man's version of rich" or a "life of crime" and preditorty scams. We have the internet; let's make it a real democracy and have the people vote on the laws they want, or do we realy need a vicious pyramid of power.
These plants will produce about 100 megawatts of power at $2billion for each each.
So to make your numbers, we'll need 900,000 geothermal plants.
That's 56,250 brought online every year, starting now, until 2025.
That will cost $112.5 trillion dollars a year. Or $1.8 quadrillion dollars for the total project, not including inflation and cost overruns due to resource shortages.
Those numbers aren't right. The plants don't cost $2 Bn. They cost a little over $100 to $200 million to build, and once the initial investment stages are completed the system pays for itself. There is a cost-investment-profit ratio that MIT worked out, we'd need 180 plants for the system to pay for itself (R&D included).
Relationship of year, output, cost and cost deficit 80 kg/s learning curve, quartet configuration, 3% thermal drawdown, 1 km vertical reservoir spacing. (chart) google it
"The researchers estimate that for just $1 billion invested over 40 years — the cost of one large coal-fired power plant and a fraction of the cost of a nuclear power plant — 100 gigawatts of clean, dependable geothermal power could be developed in the United States alone. Thats the energy equivalent of more than 200 coal-fired power plants or 100 new nuclear power plants."
I couldn't find any cost estimate on the EGS project.
Your argument above, is that a one giga watt plant can be built for under a billion dollars. That is what you're arguing, right?
The EGS project will consist of multiple plants. Just like the project proposed for Idaho. In Idaho, the cost project is $200 million per 10 megawatt plant.
900,000 X 2.5 gW per EGS plant = 2.25 tW ? too much power
And that's a low estimate.
"With a modest R&D investment of $1 billion over 15 years (or the cost of one coal power plant), the report estimated that 100 GWe (gigawatts of electricity) or more could be installed by 2050 in the United States."
ie. 100,000 mW
The Cooper Basin facility is planned to extract 250-500 mW. Now, let's say we build four of them...in the US... there's 2 gW of power, or 2000 mW. Extrapolate accordingly.
You know what. You're right, its an exaggeration. My initial comment was way over the top inflated. It might be 200% maybe (18 Tw), but yah, 20X current usage is unrealistic. I think I was off by a factor of 10. My apologies for exaggerating.
Still cost-benefit ratio is undeniable, EGS will cost the value of one coal power plant and provide (by 2050) a very clean 100 Gw. Isn't that a good investment of our taxes? Also, part of the whole "green" movement is reduction in usage & consumption
Don't worry about what nObama says. It's all BS & bananas. Watch what he does. He's a 1 termer. If we can survive the next 3 yrs. As for the vid - nice english dialect. No way you're really American.
757optim 2 years ago
OBAMA has NO spine and was all talk during his campaign for President!!
scorpionkings 2 years ago
do we pay reparations to the iraqWUT!!?? o.k. i have no problem with that, but before you pay them, i think we got alot of africans look'en for that one...
ONErudebwoy 2 years ago
This guy is, a, kinda delicious.
lol
broadbent48 2 years ago
Well, your statements a little drastic, but are true.
We must learn to make our economy leaner, or it will collapse under it's own weight.
On heath care while we don't need to completely eliminate "alternative" subsidized policies, we should have a government plan that they must compete with to set the baseline standard.
On lending reform, we can't just throw money at the problem, nor can we let the banks collapse. We must reform them so they won't use predatory lending.
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Big fake titties that god didnt give you are so biblically corect.
Abstinence only works best...just ask Palin.
Jesus would own a gun, be pro torture and support the bombing of Iraq.
IndiMusicLover 2 years ago
Why do they all talk about rebuilding an America that is failed or has been destroyed? This is scary (and untrue) no matter what side it is comming from.
Sheltiman 2 years ago
This liberal cocksucker sure enjoys listening to himself talk .. doesn't he ? ...You're welcome to leave this country at anytime ASSWIPE..
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If you start reading thins you CANT stop .Once ther was a little girl named Cecilia.She was a little 7 year old who got strangled and raped by a man =.If you dont post this to 15 other videos you will see CCecilia standing at the end of your bed with a knife and she will kill you
You have to do this by midnight or you will be dead
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dr4cheese 2 years ago
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upsettingthetown 2 years ago
I don't remember being offended? Just laughing at you.
Mahoivlich 2 years ago
Your the gayest thing since rainbow sherbet! LOLZ
111Charles111 2 years ago
Daddy needs to turn your net filter back on....it seems you strayed away from the fisher price site.
Mahoivlich 2 years ago
hahaha and I thought posting on this video in the first place was sad and a waste of my time after watching this ignorant piece of shiet, but the fact you seem to be offended by it makes it allllllllllll worth while.
111Charles111 2 years ago
Impeach Obama!
IPSC3rdHorseman 2 years ago
nice voice.
slapme7times 2 years ago
This guy just makes liberals look like those evangelical preachers on AM radio.
Shut the fuck up and let people think for themselves, moron!
keyboardplaya 2 years ago
Obama = NWO
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audacity of hopelessness
Comparing his bowling to the Special Olympics on "The Tonight Show" Thursday, GUTTER BALL.
The Federal Reserve is dropping trillions of fresh paper dollars on the world economy, the President of the US is cracking jokes on late night comedy shows. I am concerned about Obama's competence & the monumentally dysfunctional U.S. Congress launching another public jihad against corps & banks.
Is this the end of America?
You voted for him, now, we all have to suffer.
hellotommy 2 years ago 2
Obama inherited the hell created by the Bush people. Hell just doesn't get up and walk out the door because we want it to - it is appeased only after it makes ruins of our society and landscape.
1000You2b0001 2 years ago
Or more like the american people. The economy is not bush's fault. It is our fault. We fucked up the banks and housing industry with our irresponsible spending. Bush was defending our nation (although he definately didn't do it perfectly).
History will look back and see bush as a decent president, but obama as a catastrophic failure.
Spending is a band-aid, not a cure.
LamboK28992 2 years ago
Do some homework. Bush was crap, but there is SO much more to blame than one man and his administration. Look at our monetary policy for the last 100 years. Our foriegn policy for the last 50 or so. It's easy to slam Bush. It's hard to look at ourselves.
sonnybrown 2 years ago
fukin low lie asshole...fukin douche
komarock 2 years ago
who the fuck is this asshole??
pkilla2222 2 years ago
This guy also wanted Dennis J. Kucinich for President last year. Even worked on his campaign.
ydnarOrandy 2 years ago
Free Healthcare provided by the government? Is that a joke? Does this guy know how stupid he sounds?
sapofgold 2 years ago
do your research. a LOT of countries have free health care.
eeedel 2 years ago
eeedel, Define "free"? The government does not produce/provide anything. In order to provide a service, the government must first syphon private property(money) from workers(taxpayers). Is that free?
sapofgold 2 years ago
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eeedel 2 years ago
eeedel, great! So you do acknowledge--that anything the government provides costs you money. So I guess that these things are not "free" then. Good, now take that current 33.3% and double it-- and wallah--you have your grossly inefficient and very expensive, rationed health care. Check out a VA hospital if you need a preview. Ciao
sapofgold 2 years ago
It's your not YOU'RE.
And that money shouldn't be taken from us in the first place.
sonnybrown 2 years ago
thank you for correcting my error.. also, thanks for contributing absolutely nothing to this discussion. i and everyone else here greatly appreciates it.
eeedel 2 years ago
Idiot. If you can't see what I'm saying, you're hopeless. That's "YOU'RE", not your.
sonnybrown 2 years ago
That was sarcasm you fucking whiny emo fag. But I guess you couldnt see that through all those layers of eyeliner. Make sure next time you randomly spell check someone.. but dont add anything of any value to a conversation there arent photos of yourself that can be found so easily.. fucking ripped up shirt, studded belt hipster cock gobbling douche.
eeedel 2 years ago
Eat a dick you whiny little brat. You went as far as to look at my myspace. You're gay.
sonnybrown 2 years ago
and you left a mssg on my main page you fucking queen
eeedel 2 years ago
lol
sonnybrown 2 years ago
How does this guy not have more hatemail? He's completely correct, and americans really really arent used to that.
bnethompson 2 years ago
I'm really unimpressed by these latest "TheUptake" 'super-liminal,' overconfident, single minded, semi-satiric, loud editorials.
He's doing that same annoying Olbermann news-meets-prose monologue, which -in my opinion- does a huge disservice to political discourse.
variousletters 2 years ago
Wake up boiling frogs!!! This guy is right on.
ccmjs 2 years ago
Love this guy.
phoebster818 2 years ago
Ha ha ha. He's got it right, an O-fake-a actor prez we have.
mels411 2 years ago
"What is the cost of our addiction to things?" The cost is the consequence of our foolish actions, which I guess were only on loan -- but now the piper demands to be paid and we, befuddled by our own financial stupidity have only one cry - "Save us, O Government" Save us from our idiocy. Save us from our poor choices. Save us from ourselves. Wake up people! These politicians have their own agenda, and Joe the Plumber, American esquire, isn't in the loop.
RationalPrejudice 2 years ago
no more insurence, pay as you go medical would cut out the middle man. let the middle man beware they will have to actualy work for a living.
usernamereavailable4 2 years ago
@username
Thats the cure for healthcare, pay as you go with a catastrophic policy that only costs a couple of hundred a year. Why dont we use health insurance like we do home insurance. You dont file a claim every time a hole gets knocked in a wall or a window is broken. Pay as you go would only cost a few more dollars than what most pay as a copay. If you have a $40 copay Aetna only pays $7 since $47 is all they will pay for an office visit to your PCP
jjrglobal 2 years ago
Unsubscribed.
JobDDT 2 years ago 4
this guy totally rocks!!
Adlershof 2 years ago
Iraq posed no threat to it's neighbors? What? Even if that were true, and I would of thought the first Gulf war was proof enough that it wasn't true, isn't it enough to take Saddam the fuck out for gassing, torturing and starving his own people? For decades?
Croscros72 2 years ago 2
Well put. There's no change here, despite how much we hoped. Prepare for the next phase in corporate slavery of the American people.
aguynamedfrank 2 years ago
more like government slavery. corporations are the "devil"
kauncha 2 years ago
This guy bores me. I'm not sure what his point was: he heard "biggering" in a speech that was supposed to give us hope that America will rebuild. Newsflash: we need to rebuild and we WANT to rebuild. And also, it's not 'pre-emptive-war' if it's a war we've ALREADY been fighting for over five years.
Asshole. I'm gonna go watch some Keith Olbermann Special Comments. This guy doesn't know jack.
DreamerM 2 years ago
Right or Left, I think most Americans can agree on one thing - this guy is really douche-y.
bbmcrae 2 years ago 7
LOL
hankpyro 2 years ago
This guy has some decent points but acts like an arrogant asshole when explaining them.
christiancantarutti 2 years ago 2
I think he's from the Dennis Miller school of sardonic reporting. Ecch. I'm unsubscribing.
karinablack 2 years ago
I agree with him, but yet his presentation is sort of douchey.
Wasn't everything he just said something I already knew? Did he just chastize me into thinking he knows more and then threw an opinion in at the last second expecting me to agree?
Stop the first year film school bullshit and just review the speech. Douche.
politicaholic 2 years ago
true I can't tell where you stand. but If you don't think obama is in our best intrest who is?
skoob6969 2 years ago
Talk normally please.
oxyhemoglobin 2 years ago
i'm not a fan of this delivery. annoys me.
musicmsnger 2 years ago 2
who IS this dude? His vlogs are like performance art.
I mean, I like it, but I feel like I should be viewing it in a community theatre or something.
GretchenDawntreader 2 years ago
foolish statement, "by giving 'public' dollars to free healthcare to all". THAT right there is an oxymoron idiots. "public" dollars come from SOME people, not ALL especially since these "public" dollars will be paid by income taxes presumably. Right now the lower 60% of ALL US taxpayers are paying into the total "pool" around 20%. This means SOME people will get their healthcare "free", while the other taxpayers foot the bill. ALL quality will go down, JUST like the other "civilized" nations
alwaysending 2 years ago
those videos always suck
WKaliber1 2 years ago
This guy is excellent
diomedes1066 2 years ago
I want More I Need More I Must Have More.... For God Sake What's Happing? Terrorist , Economic Collapse , Fear and more Fear! BUSH is gone and we're are still shitting our pant's? Anyone hear of LESS is MORE. The Shit is Over It's Us who make the NEW Way. The BETTER WAY. PEACE ALL!
Tim
timluns 2 years ago
Did you seriously just use the word "reparations" in the same sentence as "Iraq"? I'm not one of those defense contractors or anything, but that is an insane notion.
sarcasmosis 2 years ago
Why? Many folks in Washington admit the war was started with lies. A million men, women, children dead. Because of a LIE. Reparations seem humane.
angusharris 2 years ago
I'm really trying to stay on the right side here, but I have to mention Saddam Hussein. I know, it's crazy.
sarcasmosis 2 years ago
I enjoyed him very much. Very passionate.
newexperiment 2 years ago
i agree with both of you. it is currently the basis of our economy, but you are right to say that it shouldn't be.
andrewheine 2 years ago
we did go to the moon. i come from a family of engineers in the space program. not that all conspiracy theories are bogus, but we gotta be careful.
i heard an interesting theory that the deception by our government has led to public distrust, which has in turn brought about this recent rash of conspiracy theories. take em with a grain of salt (while still keeping yourself informed)
andrewheine 2 years ago
Greensboro is further proof of what people can do BY THEMSELVES when unencumbered by government or regulations. Those people didn't need FEMA's help. And my home state of Missouri didn't need a bunch of federal assistance after floods here either a few years ago. We were able to help each other out and get things done.
FEMA and disaster relief suck. They discourage responsibility, because, after all, why be responsible when you know the feds can just bail you out?
whoo689 2 years ago
Like those idiots on the great lakes a few weeks ago fishing or whatever the hell they were doing. They screwed up, and the government came in to bail them out. Now, would these people have been more apt to do this had there not been gov't aid? There is a chance, if those guys really are that stupid. But if they have any brains, they wouldn't.
And where were Blanco and mayor Nagin after Katrina? Why did htey just sit on their hands waiting for federal aid? they couldn't help? Please
whoo689 2 years ago
if the government isn't the main power, it's not the average citizen who has "freedom" and power - it's the wealthy. I'd rather Congress make the rules than Citigroup.
andrewheine 2 years ago
...and then he came out of the mountains! ...CUT. Ok thats a rap.
Alright Mr. Obama, looks like you got your War.
Cheers! lets count all the money and jobs that will go into building bombs, guns and earplugs.
The earplugs are for you Mr. Obama, since you clearly did not listen to the people. Anyone want to buy a 2nd hand FIAT?
minstral2 2 years ago
and the patriot act? hmm looks like that elephant in the room is about to get bigger.
11supaman11 2 years ago
Americans r fat lazy and stupid like that fool here!!! :(
Ininternet 2 years ago
I don't think you know any Americans. I'm Canadian, and I know many Americans. None of them are fat, lazy or stupid. You don't go to the moon, or mars by being fat, lazy and stupid, or by substituting letters for whole words.
TheJaymang 2 years ago
not all of us
andrewheine 2 years ago
this asshole thinks too much of himself
loves the sound of his voice
even if he points out correct problems with issues I dont need to see him again
he acts like a long term coke head
Im unsubscribing
RON PAUL REVOLUTION A MANEFESTO
I DARE YOU TO READ OT
koch46 2 years ago
I take this criticism as best I can personally it is a good thing that people point out issues no matter how big headed or wrong they can be... sometimes there's a golden egg to his mud flinging, you just need to listen.
grumpherys 2 years ago
Excellent commentary! I agree the for profit, insurance based health care system is a disaster. it is, in my opinion ,the biggest drag on our economy. It is why our corporations can not compete with much better paid unionized European workers!
Now is the take for radical change!
Unfortunately Obama is just another Democrat and will just rebuild the house of cards, which will undoubtly collapse again and again!
Peace not war in Afghanistan!
nowellian 2 years ago
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JordanMatthewT 2 years ago
Lay off the nose candy!!
lilpeopleview 2 years ago
Hey RETARD it is called Greensburge not Greensboro! i should know i live in the shit hole state of kansas!!!!!!!!!!
lilpeopleview 2 years ago
Can't take this MTV-style post-apocalyptic pompous zefrank rip-off crap anymore. Take another drama class. *unsubscribe*
dereknp81 2 years ago
Unsubscribing now.
theastrusmega 2 years ago
Hmmm... I watched this a few days ago and hated it. But now that I've had time to reflect in it I think it's spot on.
Are maybe it was some piece that had you sounding a lot like Glenn Beck or Alex Jones, quoting some lunatic from Russia that I hated.
Anyway, good commentary. The rabble is rousing.
codediporpal 2 years ago
So for those of you who immediately post an ad hominem attack without taking time to think about what is being presented....here is an example of one person who had an immediate reaction, thought about and the message, and attained a new perspective of the arguments proffered in the video.
A gold star for abstract, reflective thinking.
Could possible be just what Veracifer would like people to do?
darbeau1 2 years ago
correction to the video's conclusion:
"Full of sound and fury...
signifying SOMETHING.
it means a hell of a lot to a hell of a lot of people.
is it heaven on a stick? no, but it isn't a stick in the eye, either. incrementalism isn't always evil.
but this video brings up lots of good points.
and good production and awesome delivery.
cheers and peace to ALL. :-D
baronmorris 2 years ago
It suddenly makes sense to me what Bobby Jindal's response to Obama's speech meant.
Jindal indicates that government acted irresponsibly in response to Katrina. (Compare 0:51 about Greensboro, KS.)Then, the "tragedy was terrible" at 1:05 but Jindal saw Katrina as "an opportunity."
Seems to be sick-minded to think of tragedy in terms of opportunity. Unlike the Bush administration, I don't believe Obama is sick-minded.
Is it compassion that you fear?
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TainaAtheist1 2 years ago
Publicly funded Health Care via the government is perfectly good. Health Insurance companies are the bane of Health Care. They do nothing but get in the way and insure that you cannot recieve the treatments you NEED to be healthy or saved. That comes from my friend who quit being a Doctor because of Health Insurance company BS that made him watch patients suffer while his hands were tied. All these companies should be done away with in favor of a standardized health care system for all citizens.
Umbreona 2 years ago
well said
copcorona 2 years ago
I really appreciate your perspective, however sometimes I think you go too far. This is one of those times.
If I'm interpreting your anger correctly, you're really advocating an entirely 180 degree shift from America as it is right now. I hope you understand that this is just not possible and that it would be foolish for Obama to attempt to do that.
"Do not let perfect become the enemy of good."
"A journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step."
Do not forget, progress is gradual.
aussie56 2 years ago
Lending.. you mean the convoluted compounding and confounding "we make this crap up as we go" lending?
We need simple interest loans.
Economic health? Fractional Reserve Lending must end. No more allowing banks to create money from nothing. If we can't grow with a rational economy.. we aren't doing it right!
RyuDarragh 2 years ago
I don't think Obama made any argument in favor of consumerism. He chided homeowners for buying houses they knew they couldn't afford- no matter what the idiot banker said. He asks us to build and invest in our future in education, our future in infrastructure and each other in health care.
cminmd0041 2 years ago
Whoa! I somewhat agree with this, but i also believe that the president is doing the best he can with the cards he was dealt. He's taking the first steps that need to be taken to get us to where we want to go. Possibly no wars, more diplomacy and everyone getting along.
You know if there's another terrorist attack in the US, that the president will never hear the end of it?
I still say that it was a good speech.....
ver506 2 years ago
We the people have to comunicate with each other and share our strength and listen, as well as speak and bring communities back together and think localy, as well as globaly. Patience is some times uncontumplaitable after two cups of joe.
For every action . . .
rawmo 2 years ago
One: consumption is not the cause of our awful foreign policy -- it's the way we go about getting consumption goods. Two: I too have doubts about how Obama plans to provide universal healthcare and still keep insurance companies in the game -- but this system is much too entrenched now to start over from scratch. Face it: single payer is probably not happening -- we should be open to other ideas. Three: Hell YES: Iraqis should get reparations -- but Bin Laden must be brought to justice also.
principio25 2 years ago
Consumption is inevitable, consumerism is not. The need for the continual expansion of our markets, even if it means war or the colonization of sovereign peoples (via territorial occupation or a state of economic dependency), is built in to the basic logic of capitalist economics. An economy-- in fact, social dynamics in general-- can be built around the notion of maintenance and sustainability rather than growth and a constant increase in productivity.
Edansmommy 2 years ago
Iraq was a threat to it's Iranian neighbor, other then that... awesome video.
19Trident 2 years ago
No Iran was a threat to Iraq which is why Saddam wanted the world to think he had WMDs. Saddam's military was decimated during the Gulf War.
Iran has three times the population and a more advanced military (if not necessarily significantly so). Iraq wouldn't of stood a chance against Iran in it's post-Gulf state.
smpunditz 2 years ago
I'm not going to pretend that I know alot about Iraq Iran history, but did Iraq not invade Iran in Sept. 22, 1980?
19Trident 2 years ago
Yes and they would have lost too if it wasn't for us meddling westerners. The US and it's allies interfered on Iraq's behalf to prevent a power imbalance with Iran. Besides this was before we destroyed their military during the Gulf and 22 years before the invasion.
smpunditz 2 years ago
19trident
yes with the full support and armed by the USA.
Then the States turned their backs on the Iraqis and invaded them for their resources.
USA is an imperialist nation.
F4O4U4R4S 2 years ago
BURN, good comments. We really need to understand that the substantive change that this country needs will not come with just one election. Much as a love president Obama, he is only a move in the right direction and we have been going in the wrong direction for a very long time.....
s4njuro 2 years ago
I welcome this gutsy video...Obama first month in office: from continuing the Bush policy of drone attacks against civilians, from ratcheting up the war in Aghanistan, to rescuing bankers first...(and not more deserving others), Obama is maintaining the status quo and the imbalance in power relations between the elite and the common folk.
manster200673 2 years ago
altho you basicly quoted zeigeist 2, anyways im aware that zeitgeist may have flaws and gaps, but the idea of a ruling class of "elite" should be taken in to consideration... aswell some of the venus project elements would be a good start for a better future.
sharkyjay 2 years ago
I don't know what zeitgeist2 is, but I will look it up. The concept of an elite is well rooted in political/sociological theory. I first came across it reading C Wright MIll's Power Elite and William Domhoff's works..stuff is 30-50 years old. As regards Obama, I'm simply taking his output and noticing how it preserves the Bankers, Health Insurance companies, etc. Even military spending is going up 4%, to over 630 bn. In other words, he is maintainig the power structure.
manster200673 2 years ago
thats because banks health insurance and military are all things necessary to a thriving society and a working economy.
Clovions 2 years ago
you said "...are all necessary to a thriving society"...remember, we are talking PRIVATE health insurance mediating our health care. All other industrialized countries "thrive" without it, and even surpass, if are to trust health indices. Nobody is claiming we dont' need banks or military, but a military that's used to maintain an empire abroard and constrain the nationalism and independent of other countries. Crucial distinction.
manster200673 2 years ago
manster, did you expect anything else? Obama isn't going to challenge the power structure. The only ones who can do that are the people, organized in a relentless, international social movement to demand that change. In the meantime, Obama is throwing a few bones to the working people. His reforms will make a difference in people's immediate lives, which will stave off the social upheaval that would result if he continued to let people's lives fall into ruin.
Edansmommy 2 years ago
+1. Agree.
manster200673 2 years ago
do so, it has some intresting ideas and Philosophy that might come in handy one day, and i understand what your telling oboma is not ment to change anything, his presidency if from a list of individuals that are "acceptable" candidates that are told how to/ and will run office that way it has been for years, presidency is nothing more then a popularity contest.
sharkyjay 2 years ago
douche
goodinohio 2 years ago 3
Obama should see a hallucinatory dagger that will lead him to where greedy banker and insurance company motherfuckers sleep.
BcallingDB 2 years ago
What a fucking tool.
This ass clown is a god damn embarrassment.
Extra08 2 years ago
Extra08- Pipe down and listen up, you might learn something.
joeyvic 2 years ago
Like WHAT? Really-what the fuck is there to learn from this guy-something's wrong, we can't fix it, is ALL he is fucking saying-and thats dumb.
zndprophet 2 years ago
zndprophet- No it is not dumb, maybe the fact that in order to fix a problem, it first has to be identified as being a problem. Do you really think that giving money to bankers is the solution to help stimulate the economy? Is making government bigger the solution to our economic problems? Is our continued presence in the Middle East a wise way of spending or indebting our nation? Obama came in office under the pretense of change and it should have been the same.
joeyvic 2 years ago
You act as is Sadam Hussain never killed, tourchured his own people, or let them starve. That the USA went in with out any justification. Wasn't he refusing to let UN inspectors in. What was he hiding?
jenisoutofhermind 2 years ago
No, he didn't refuse to let the UN inspectors in.
Bush ordered them out.
But what do you think he was hiding that we're too inept to find even today?
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
BRING BACK JOSH!!! HE'S THE MAN!
PreetSG 2 years ago
i like the rebuilding in kansas story ... who is the Oz behind the current ... our own self censorship and skepticism maybe?
GeoliphicMedia 2 years ago
Obama is a Godess
WKaliber1 2 years ago
Bureaucracy expands to meet the needs of the ever expanding Bureaucracy.
PersonalJesus348 2 years ago
Amen
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
One difficulty with suggesting solutions is that we have been suggesting them for years, and we've been ignored.
And many of us understand why. The banks are shutting the USA out of the global market. Our resoruces are in decline and so we are a declining empire. If our energy consumption can be shut down, then that will make the oil and gas last longer for other nations.
It's triage, and we're not making the cut. So it doesn't matter what solutions could be implemented, it's not in the plan.
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
i enjoy this style of video and american thinking
ImaScotsman 2 years ago
Its funny that the mindset Americans have from the abuse of the last ten years is all or nothing. Change everything right now!!! Or you will be a failure. Gimme a break
kadenche 2 years ago
Yes, that is EXACTLY the mindstate in which they should have. Take off the tin foil hat and join the rest of us in the real world. With in the short period of time he has been in office Obama has proven himself to be nothing but a fraud. If he would like to change this perseption that we have of him he should do all of the things he said he was gonna do on the campaign trail. After all, he said those things for a reason, and that reason is because those are the right things to do.
UGOTDAJACK 2 years ago
We was two-faced as a Senator. Why should he change now?
The writing was on the wall before he became president. The best example wasthe speech he gave about the Telecom Bill. He promised to filibuster it and do everything in his power to block it's passage. Instead, he voted for it.
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
Yes and maybe you and everyone else should give him more then a month to figure this mess out. He is trying to undo 30 years if not more of horrible decision making. Its hard to be patient. But lets have just a little. And this guy on the video is as full of himself as any politician. A whole lot of finger pointing but no real suggestions. I will not be keeping this subscription. Sick of all the hot air.
kadenche 2 years ago 2
He's already made it clear what path he'll be taking for the next couple of years.
So perhaps we should wait two years and see if he changes course?
I see some positive signs in his actions. Unlike Bush, he's not all bad.
He should let the bad banks fail. He should enact a policy in which our trade barriers match thos of the nations we are trading with. Having no trade barriers in our dealings with nations that cheat us with their own trade barriers, is destroying jobs here.
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
Look at Africa in the 1970s, then South America, the USSR...
But shutting down nations in these areas, oil was freed up on the market for increasing consumption elsewhere.
In 2001, Argentina bailed out the banks we're bailing out, on the promise that they would increase lending. they did increase lending, then jacked interest rates to up to 40%. This shut down many of the factories, which eliminated competition to factories in Asia.
Same banks. Same men calling the shots. Same plan.
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
People make politics seem like a complicated thing when in reality it is as clear as day. If you say you're gonna do something then do it. I'm sure Obama isn't bluffing when he says he will eliminate anyone who threatens Israel so why does he bluff when it comes to withdrawing troops from Iraq or punishing the bankers that caused this financial mess? Obama is a fucking puppet for the elite and if you don't call him out on it now then America will cease to exist come next year!
UGOTDAJACK 2 years ago
Obama has been in office for one month....give him a chance to sort this shit out. And stop with the end of the world fence rattling....its fucking rediculous. And yes i am aware of every fucking possible theory about our demise. I just dont think he will bring it about.
kadenche 2 years ago
He's got a point, like Dorothy's wizard and the Emperor's new clothes Obama's policies will quickly be shown as chimerical if the American public ever discover that his policies have no real content and that the change he advocates is not something you can believe in.
AmNotHere911 2 years ago
I appreciate critical thinking.
drazmod 2 years ago 2
"Something's wrong. We can not fix it."
-That is not critical thinking.
Realizing that that isn't critical thinking, is critical thinking. This guy is simply riding a huge wave of pessimism, there's really nothing smart about it. Smart is fixing things, not saying we can't.
zndprophet 2 years ago
Actually this was a pretty optimistic commentary. Sounds like this boy is getting the hang of the good old US of A. Oh, about the metamorphosis, we can put that baby somewhere between fat chance and no chance. Keep smiling, the boss loves idiots. Chou.
rollsthepaul 2 years ago
God people became fucking stupid in the last 8-10 years.
Obama's speech made complete sense to me. He didn't create this mess, and he is the ONLY ONE who has ANY solutions to even OFFER! Everyone else can tell you what's wrong, but there are absolutely NO solutions, ANYWHERE.
It's fucking ridiculous-do we want to fail? Really-do we?
What Obama said didn't sound like some magic, or some bullshit-it sounded practical-learn what worked in history, and do more of that, do less of what didn't!!
zndprophet 2 years ago
Excessive spending and debt caused the problem. Increasing spending and debt won't fix the problem.
We're past the World Peak of Oil production. Alternatives will mitigate this problem, but they can't be scaled to the colossal quantity of energy that oil provides.
Energy fuels industrial growth. When it declines, no amount of spending can increase industry. It must decline with energy. You can stuff a car with money, but if the tank has no gas, it won't go.
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
There's spending, and then there's investing.
Going into a country that didn't attack you, destroying it, occupying it, and rebuilding it-is spending.
Putting money aside for smart, resourceful people to use in smart resourceful ways, namely research-is investing.
We can find a way, if we think we can, if we don't think we can, we will fail. I know that sounds cliche, but it really is true. If the door's locked, dont just give up and sleep outside, look to see if there's another way in.
zndprophet 2 years ago
unless it isnt even your house to sleep in.
sharkyjay 2 years ago
oh, its your house to sleep in.
zndprophet 2 years ago
My little brotherwas shot in the head in 1985 and died.
Will you bring him back to life for me? Or should I just accept that there are some problems that can't be solved? Say, "I think I can, I think I can" and resurrect him please.
I understand your argument, but I also understand the exponential function, I understand that consumption can't go to infinity and I understand overshoot.
I don't need unfounded faith in unknown people, when my own knowledge makes much the situation clear.
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
There are some problems that can't be solved. When run up against them, the proper course is to deal with them, not ignore them or pretend they don't exist.
Infinite growth is impossible. Our economy failed because oil production has peaked and gone into decline. This exposed all of the dirty little secrets and brought it down.
We can't go back to growth until we discover a new source of energy that beat oil in quality and quantity.
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
I know that Obama is pushing alternatives, but these don't even stand tall compared to oil, much less surpass oil.
We need something new. We don't have it. We can't grow. All efforts to make our economy grow, will damage it.
We need to be mitigating the effects of decline. Breaking up centralized and over burdened institutions into more efficent decentralized pieces.
We won't do that. We will fight the degeneration of these beasts, sacrificing everything on the way down.
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
Well you might as well dig your own grave then.
But while you're lying in there dead, the rest of us will be living pretty decent lives above ground.
zndprophet 2 years ago
You give up easily. Faced with the possibility of hard times and the first thing you think of is checking out.
You should see someone about that.
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
Obama is not the problem and he is not the antichrist. He is a natural born leader who has inherited a big pile of shit, that was once a great country. He is not in charge of the outcome but is duty bound to give it his best shot. What more can the people who elected him expect? Each anniversary of his inauguration will give us deeper insight into exactly who this man is. At this point, in the Bush tenure, all was well and people believed things were going swimmingly. Time reveals all truth.
rollsthepaul 2 years ago
What the hell...I didn't know Veracifier was a libertarian channel....I'm sick of this guy. I mean, what makes this asshole any different than the average shit-for-brains youtube cynic?
This guy's just a perpetual cynic, and anytime anyone tries to whisper anything optimistic, he sees it as his duty to shoot it down, "Ohp...no, no....we're definitely fucked. It's not gonna work, nothing's gonna work."
Look-I'm DONE with that fucking attitude, because it accomplishes NOTHING.
zndprophet 2 years ago 2
I used to like this channel now it has gotten to cynical even though there is some important truth in the comments ...
greeneyesjp 2 years ago 2
Bio energy seems to be the ticket. Without that the rich will become richer and all will become more more mutually preditory for whatever we got. We could soon be moving into a robotized or cyber reality with Artificial Intelligence. As far as people status goes it is up in the air. Should authoritative, preditory asshole be perpetually in charge of everyone else's fate? The society has to regenerate in a new way. We don't want to just kill the rich, but they will certainly kill for status.
hypnofan35 2 years ago
Part of the problem with people who want to be in power, is they tend to try to take power away from other viable people and make them into wage slaves. Another part of the problem is class entrenchment which ultimately causes some people to go into the "the poor man's version of rich" or a "life of crime" and preditorty scams. We have the internet; let's make it a real democracy and have the people vote on the laws they want, or do we realy need a vicious pyramid of power.
hypnofan35 2 years ago
Bio energy can't come close to providing the energy provided by oil from the ground.
It may power farm tractors, but it can't power commutes and trucking, to sustain the lifestyle we're accustomed.
Bio-Fules can mitigate the problem, but they can't bridge difference in scale, to match petroleum.
1% of our oil consumption = 50 nuclear power plants.
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
2000% of our energy consumption = federally owned geothermal plants
Read up on the administration policies, by 2025 the US will be the leading producer of geothermal energy.
esantipapa 2 years ago
These plants will produce about 100 megawatts of power at $2billion for each each.
So to make your numbers, we'll need 900,000 geothermal plants.
That's 56,250 brought online every year, starting now, until 2025.
That will cost $112.5 trillion dollars a year. Or $1.8 quadrillion dollars for the total project, not including inflation and cost overruns due to resource shortages.
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
Those numbers aren't right. The plants don't cost $2 Bn. They cost a little over $100 to $200 million to build, and once the initial investment stages are completed the system pays for itself. There is a cost-investment-profit ratio that MIT worked out, we'd need 180 plants for the system to pay for itself (R&D included).
Relationship of year, output, cost and cost deficit 80 kg/s learning curve, quartet configuration, 3% thermal drawdown, 1 km vertical reservoir spacing. (chart) google it
esantipapa 2 years ago
I googled it to find out what numbers are being published and found that a 100 megawatt plant costs $2 billion to build.
Smaller plants will cost less. But they will produce less, so more need to be built to reach your target of a 20 fold increase in total energy.
Even if they are $200 million each, that's still $11.2 trillion a year.
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
A report I googled on Idaho says the plants will be 10 megawatts. which scale to your cost of $200 million each, quite nicely.
So we'll need 9 million of these plants and we'll need to build 562,500 a year, at a yearly cost of $112.5 trillion dollars.
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
I think you googled it wrong.
"The researchers estimate that for just $1 billion invested over 40 years — the cost of one large coal-fired power plant and a fraction of the cost of a nuclear power plant — 100 gigawatts of clean, dependable geothermal power could be developed in the United States alone. Thats the energy equivalent of more than 200 coal-fired power plants or 100 new nuclear power plants."
esantipapa 2 years ago
I was looking up actual real working plants.
Geothermal plants that only exist in the imagination of 'researchers', won't begin construction this year.
Until someone proves out this imagined technology, it's best to file it with flying cars and cold fusion. Maybe it'll prove out, but not before 2025.
You might win a the lottery some day. But don't start writing checks like you won it, until you do.
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
The plan is to begin construction in 2010. I see you have resorted to asinine conjecture references, instead of stated data from research.
Kind of difficult to prove the technology, if there is no investment in its establishment... but wait!
"The largest EGS project in the world is currently being developed in the Cooper Basin, Australia - with the potential to generate 5,000-10,000 MW."
Google it.
Time will only prove you wrong.
esantipapa 2 years ago
I couldn't find any cost estimate on the EGS project.
Your argument above, is that a one giga watt plant can be built for under a billion dollars. That is what you're arguing, right?
The EGS project will consist of multiple plants. Just like the project proposed for Idaho. In Idaho, the cost project is $200 million per 10 megawatt plant.
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
And you're completely wrong about geothermal being unproven.
There are many geothermal plants of different sizes operating today. We don't have to do more research to know what they cost.
And your point that construction won't start until next year, means there's on less year in which to build your 900,000 individual plants.
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
900,000 X 2.5 gW per EGS plant = 2.25 tW ? too much power
And that's a low estimate.
"With a modest R&D investment of $1 billion over 15 years (or the cost of one coal power plant), the report estimated that 100 GWe (gigawatts of electricity) or more could be installed by 2050 in the United States."
ie. 100,000 mW
The Cooper Basin facility is planned to extract 250-500 mW. Now, let's say we build four of them...in the US... there's 2 gW of power, or 2000 mW. Extrapolate accordingly.
esantipapa 2 years ago
It's not the EGS plant, but the EGS Project.
It will be a collection of plants spread out in the basin.
Geothermal is a bit like drilling for oil.
You have oil wells, and oil fields.
You're getting out of context here.
900,000 is how many 200MW plants it would take to produce 20 times the power the USA currently consumes.
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
I extrapolated.
20 times the current US consumption of energy is in the neighborhood of 180 TW.
We need 90,000 EGC Projects to make that number.
This is math you know how to do, right?
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
I think geothermal is great idea.
It just looks like there's unrealistic hype being presented, that doesn't hold up under even a little scrutiny.
Obama knows that most Americans will not do the simple math it takes to fact check this. And later we'll forget all about it.
The real program, by necessity will be very modest in comparison to the promises.
Weaseldog2001 2 years ago
You know what. You're right, its an exaggeration. My initial comment was way over the top inflated. It might be 200% maybe (18 Tw), but yah, 20X current usage is unrealistic. I think I was off by a factor of 10. My apologies for exaggerating.
Still cost-benefit ratio is undeniable, EGS will cost the value of one coal power plant and provide (by 2050) a very clean 100 Gw. Isn't that a good investment of our taxes? Also, part of the whole "green" movement is reduction in usage & consumption
esantipapa 2 years ago