I understand your point now Todd : you wanted to show us that kids are spoiled from the core, and that it doesn't mean because they are little and "cute" that they don't need Jesus and his Salvation. Actually I begin to that think they must be evangelised as soon as possible.
If some Kids can curse like that, it means they too must receive conviction of sin, justice and Judgement
Also, from the get go, it shows how misguided this video stands to be...
“See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven. For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost. -Matthew 18:10-11
As much as I believe in the depravity of man, I do not believe in the doctrine of total depravity. The idea that from birth, man is completely deprave and apart from knowing the gospel and being born again, he cannot do any good and merits a one way ticket to hell. Paul In Romans 2 speaks of the Gentiles who know not the law but instinctively do things of the Law, having their conscience bear witness, and of which CAN serve to excuse them on the day of judgment.
Except that the law cannot save. Romans 3:19-20 : Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law.
@bkniceley Romans 2:14-16: For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
@RaizeMusic Revelations 20:12&15, the non-believing dead (whether by means of rejection or ignorance) will partake in a judgement of deeds. Justification does not apply to this judgment. Some will be excused while others will be condemned, and it will be their conscious that bears witness with the law serving as the standard.
Right, therefore they are without excuse, but apart from Christ, one cannot be saved, as the law did not provide eternal life even if they have the law. See:
Gal. 2:16 : "because by works of the law no one will be justified."
Gal 3:10 : "Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law."
Gal 3:21 : "if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law"
Do you submit that if one knows not Christ, they will automatically be commited to the second death? Because that is the heart of my point, I do not disagree with what you are sharing.
@jwissick ME! ME! There are varying opinions on this one e.g. 13 or 7 yrs. old or it can be dependent on a child's understanding, but I prefer the example given in Exodus where the people disobeyed to enter the promised land and claimed God brought them there to kill them and their children (Num 14:3) God said no, all the adults will die here in the desert except those under the age of 20. (Num 14:29) So there is good evidence that 20 is the age of accountability. Whatcha think James?
@jwissick NOT Fail....lol. God held only those 20 yrs of age and older ACCOUNTABLE for the disobedience of the whole of Israel. Just because you refuse to accept it does not make it wrong. You are not the arbiter of all things (in case you didn't know...LOL) BTW, when I do respond to you it is not for your sake but for the sake of others who may read these posts, to help them in their faith...so thanks for raising the question. So you see that God uses even you, despite yourself.
@royaldiadem That is the most moronic idiotic thing I have read all day. Everyone here is now more stupid because they read it. Abortion isn't about hatred.
@jwissick You are correct. Abortion is about convenience and about money and about racism and about reducing world population to a controllable number (Georgia Guidestones). (I guess you could say racism is hatred though). But mostly, abortion is about money and reducing the population to controllable numbers.
@IDH77 I am a parent and you are making a horribly illogical argument.. So the next time my child does something obedient that means they are righteous? No, it's because they're gaining knowledge and self awareness of their own will and ability to NOT have to obey the parent. Nevermind the fact that children usually learn "no" first because they're commanded "no" so often. It's a lie. Study scripture more.
Yes, they actually do deserve hell, because they have a sin nature. HOWEVER, I believe the Bible is clear that before you reach an age of accountability, God's grace covers those who don't have a capacity to reject God. (kids, mentally handicap, aborted babies, etc)
As far as the babies debate goes. Yes, babies inherit sinful nature, that would include ALL of humanity and that is entirely biblical. Whether babies that die go to hell or not is unknown. My understanding is that there is an "age of innocence" or "age of accountability" in which a baby that can't make the choice for or against Christ is saved by God's abounding grace and mercy.
Wow! I am baffled. I knew that there were misinterpretations of the Bible but c'mon you are missing the most crucial aspect of the Christian. Let me clarify. ALL absolutely ALL of humanity has inherited sinful nature from Adam. ALL except Jesus Christ, Jesus was born of a virgin(Mary), His genetic make up came from God which is why He was perfect and also why God calls Him His son. Jesus died for ALL of humanity so that man could be/dwell with God. That is the foundation of Christianity.
These instances do not show or prove "total depravity" from birth as much as it shows the evil ways of how we raise and train our children to respond to situations as the children who cussed. Proverbs 22:6.
Some of the children's responses were actually sensible. Which good parent would give their child a rotten fruit or an eaten up sandwich or give a boy a girl's toy. Luke 11.
@SkiesVibrant Where are the words "sinful nature" in the KJV then? I never said mine were about babies.. Paul states he was alive before the law, that's not possible in Calvinism... Showing your error.
@SkiesVibrant Tulip is from hell... You don't understand Romans nor the history/context of the Jew/Gentile issue... I'm not about to spend comment section correcting your horrid misunderstanding of chapter 9(and 5). You need to study more, Jacob and Esau represent nations, in the larger picture Paul is contrasting Jew/Gentile.
God made and gave life, I'm pretty sure he has the authority and right to take it away. The idea that God is evil for taking back what He gave comes from the common misconceptions that life on earth is it, sorry there is existence after life on this earth.
@CalamityStriker "God made and gave life, I'm pretty sure he has the authority and right to take it away."
It's good to know that genocide is a right. I mean, of course there's a loving reason for death, blood sacrifice, & capital punishment. It makes perfect sense to embody grave, justice, & mercy with the inventor of it's exact opposite. Life liberty & the persute of happyness.
Unless you step out of line. Then it's bullocks to you. bwahaha. grace from beyooooond the grave. lol
God as a parent? Come on, he kills children. He invented death & applied capital punishment unilaterally because he loves the smell of blood sacrifice. when he's nto drowning them or slaughterting them w/ plages or pestilence or ordering their genocide.
You're all quite clearly out of your minds.
Abraham was the worst parent ever imagined. Except for his god, of course.
How does freedom of PRIVACY work an OMNISCIENT or OMNIPRESENT god? What a totalitarian belief! It's the wish to be an abject slave to an eternal babysitter, that there be an unalterable, unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime & must subject u to total surveillance around the clock every waking & sleeping minute of ur life-before u're born & worse,after death. A celestial North Korea.Who but an ABJECT SLAVE desires such a ghastly fate?
Would you expect this same conscienceless moral bankrupt & pestilential mass murderer God to become a teacher of morals; of gentleness; of meekness; of righteousness; of purity?
What immense sarcasms & giant hypocrisies! The very same god ordered the wholesale massacre of men, babies, & cattle; the destruction of house & city; the kidnapping & banishment of the virgins into a filthy unspeakable slavery...fashoned the Beatitudes of Christ?
@JesusforLife2 - Amen to that! My wife and I have never taught our kids about Santa Claus and made it clear to them that he's just pretend. We've had to fight against their schools' indoctrination on the issue, though. It's often frustrating. The majority of Americans celebrate the birth of Jesus, but the schools can't even mention that.
@JMcH yea I was surprised because I was out tutoring some kids and the teacher was teaching about islam and the prophet muhammad. I heard all sorts of clean nice things about him yet we can't talk about Jesus besides the one kid in the class who starts a conversation about him.
@ddrninjette :that's a bit judgmental. I am sure these parents love and cherish their children.:
1) why is it wrong to be judgmental? You are judging the person who made the statement.
2) How do you know that EACH of "These parents love and cherish their children." I would suppose that at least one of those parents committed the sin of abortion: They hated the child in the womb and had it murdered for hire.
@royaldiadem "1) why is it wrong to be judgmental?" - There's nothing wrong with judging others in and of itself. However, being too judgmental or overly judgmental can demoralize others and can cause conflict / discord.
"You are judging the person who made the statement." - When did I make any value statements?
"How do you know that EACH of "These parents love and cherish their children." - Because I can hear the love for their children in their voices.
@royaldiadem "I would suppose that at least one of those parents committed the sin of abortion: They hated the child in the womb and had it murdered for hire."
Please don't say things like that. You don't understand what goes though your mind when you are actually faced with an unwanted pregnancy. I didn't... I don't want to talk about this.
@royaldiadem I believe you hate other people on basis of randomizing and one of 10 people on youtube hate others. Sarcasm* I think your out of hand... >_>
The only one that was funny was the boy and girl that got the PBnJ. That boy wanted it at least!
The rest of them, well, made me sick. The parents that would do that to their kids, and watching the kids react to a "bad" gift. In some countries, a piece of fruit is a great gift because it's so expensive. Something is very wrong here...
You can't blame the kids at all when they have parents who think being mean is funny.
It is pretty sad kids have to grow up with parents who are ignorant, parents who love horror movies, parents who think it is funny teaching kids how to be rude and mean. Love is lost. Now the kids can use their new knowledge to pick on kids at school, to laugh at the disabled, and to tell their teachers off. NO LOVE from those parents, was the kids first thoughts.
Jesus is god. This is what god(jesus)ordered in the O.T>Witches, kill them. Homosexuals, kill them.fortunetellers, kill them. those who don`t listen to priests, kill them. those hitting their dad, kill them. those who curse their parents, kill them, adulterers, kill them. fornicators, kill them. people who believe in other religions, kill them. non-believers,kill them. fals prohets ,kill them. blasphemers, kill them. those who work on the Sabbath, kill them. The word of god ??????????
@EntinludeX you quote from the NLT not from the bible. The NLT is a paraphrase, someone rewrote the bible, making heavy modifications to suit his agenda. The real Bible doesn't talk about rape there, it talk about a couple who had sex before marriage and God told them to marry. (that's a totally different thing than to force a raped victim to marry the rapist). Check the KJV and not some wicked paraphrases full of contradictions.
@lamisol You'll never get through to him. Any reading and understanding of the early Hebrew culture explains this supposed evil act. He needs to read Deuteronomy 22:13-29. The Bible does say that a raped woman who was not betrothed previously and is a virgin shall marry her attacker IF THEY ARE FOUND, but the rapist must then pay her father 50 shekels of silver and he may never divorce her. This is his punishment. If they are not found, only the rapist is punished.
(2) This is not a punishment for the woman. But in the Hebrew culture, no one would be able to marry this woman and keep in good standing in the community. She would be an outcast. People who live in our present day culture in our country, don't seem to have any problem with sleeping around, so they can't understand the huge stigma this was at the time.
@SkiesVibrant "This is not a punishment for the woman."
Why on earth would anyone think marrying your rapist is a punishment?
"People who live in our present day culture in our country, don't seem to have any problem with sleeping around, " Totally the same thing as being raped.
@SkiesVibrant He also doesn't understand that the Old Testament was the old covenant between God and His people, it was the law Without grace. With Jesus sacrifice fulfilling the old covenant, God made a new covenant which is found in the New Testament, which is the law under grace. Grace is defined as giving mercy to someone that doesn't deserve it. EntinludeX just blows smoke making fun of the old covenant when it's clear that we live under the new covenant.
@CalamityStriker Apparently it's not clear to him, LOL. So common for these folks to attack Christians without knowing a thing about the scriptures. Should we school 'em on the 3 types of the law in the OT?
@SkiesVibrant I don't think it would help him much. I hear this argument a lot, that God is a tyrannic evil being. It's funny actually to hear an imperfect person say that God is evil because He is a God of Justice and then to insinuate that they have a better understanding than God of what morality and justice is all the while not having a fundamental foundation of what right and wrong is. Atheists believe in personal-opinion morality and then try to tell us that we have it wrong. Very ironic.
@CalamityStriker "It's funny actually to hear an imperfect person say that God is evil because He is a God of Justice and then to insinuate that they have a better understanding than God"
B3ecause CLEARLY inventing death, perfecting capital punishment, prefering blood sacrifice, & applying it to children is all quite praiseworhty justice. Guilty until proven innocent.
@CalamityStriker Sadly, I understand atheists very well. Dan Barker is my cousin. I love him, he is part of my family, but I never talk to him. The damage he has done to my family is very painful. You have described atheists very well.
@SkiesVibrant " Dan Barker is my cousin. I love him, he is part of my family, but I never talk to him. The damage he has done to my family is very painful. "
@SkiesVibrant " rapist must then pay her father 50 shekels of silver and he may never divorce her. This is his punishment. If they are not found, only the rapist is punished."
@lamisol You are mistaken my friend on the NLT being a paraphrase. Paraphrases are as you have described them, the NLT isn't one of them. Today the most popular paraphrases are The Message and the stand-by The Living Bible. The Living Bible isn't the NLT. I used to make the same mistake because of the use of the word "Living". No big deal. God Bless.
Look. I agree that we are born fallen. But, let's not confuse not being able to communicate correctly or getting frustrated because you don't know how to handle getting teased by your parents with sinning. Most of those kids I thought were just fine. For the most part, kids reflect their parents so who's really sinning?
Just because a baby cries doesn't mean he's being depraved. It could mean that he's sick and not being able to talk cries. People aren't doing what you think they are doing.
How does freedom of PRIVACY work an OMNISCIENT or OMNIPRESENT god? What a totalitarian belief! It's the wish to be an abject slave to an eternal babysitter, that there be an unalterable, unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime & must subject u to total surveillance around the clock every waking & sleeping minute of ur life-before u're born & worse,after death. A celestial North Korea.Who but an ABJECT SLAVE desires such a ghastly fate?
Would you expect this same conscienceless moral bankrupt & pestilential mass murderer God to become a teacher of morals; of gentleness; of meekness; of righteousness; of purity?
What immense sarcasms & giant hypocrisies! The very same god ordered the wholesale massacre of men, babies, & cattle; the destruction of house & city; the kidnapping & banishment of the virgins into a filthy unspeakable slavery...fashoned the Beatitudes of Christ?
Excuse me??? I didn't see a single newborn sinning in this video... I guess "from birth" now means K thru 8th grade. Just because these parents are raising children who might sin doesn't mean they're born that way... Talk about a non sequitur. Logic says Calvinism fails and so does Scripture. Take a teaching portion, Romans 7::9 and parable of prodigal son... People are born spiritually ALIVE!
... nope, I was a wretched sinner. Have no issue with that... thanks for not actually replying to the objection and making a false argument. Continue on.
People are not born spiritually alive; people are born spiritually DEAD
Christ wasn't talking about human depravity with the prodigal son; that's what you call reading too deeply into a metaphor.
Human depravity doesn't express that newborns sin, rather that people are born with the inclination to sin, rather than do good. Goodness is a work of Christ and can only be done through him, otherwise, even seemingly altruistic acts done by unbelievers, are done out of evil or impure intentions.
Jesus said the prodigal son was DEAD, then ALIVE *AGAIN*... key word... AGAIN. Answer the text rather than making an excuse. Rom 7:9, Paul clearly states he was alive before the law... that would have been around age 12-13 for him in Jewish culture, considering him to be a man. He became accountable and died to the law. Answer the Scriptures and stop making up unbiblical arguments.
You are twisting mere phrases within scripture to reflect you already presupposed truths.
The Prodigal son does not talk about human depravity; Jesus shared that parable when asked why it was that he ate among sinners. His parables simply illustrate why it was he does so - that he finds greater joy in the company of the lost when it leads to repentance than in sharing company with righteous men.
Humanity became spiritually living ONLY when God had breathed life into us; but with...
You're not answering the objections, and making a red-herring argument. I never said the whole parable had to do with human depravity, I zoned in on a statement Jesus TAUGHT. Jesus clearly stated the prodigal son was "dead, and is now alive again." Do you think Jesus lied? Or do you deny that the word "again" is in the text. Answer this question, I want you to quote it and answer it.
"...or do you deny that the word 'again' is in the text."
A lot of words are in the text... but if we are going to take 'again' to mean more than just a word, then you must also argue that sinners/unbelievers were Christians/daughters and sons of Christ and when they sinned, the lost their salvation or whatever, and then received it again by Christ.
"if we are going to take 'again' to mean more than just a word..." Talk about reading between the lines, the word again means AGAIN. If you cannot face that fact this is done, and you need to also as a sister in Christ actually obey the Scriptures--you're attempting to teach a man in the church and you know that's not your position. If you have a husband or father(or close man that aids you) I'd be glad to continue.
Lying is not contingent upon whether or not you do so maliciously, but upon whether or not you tell untruths. However true you believe what you're sharing is, it's a lie - and therefore, you are lying.
"...the word means again."
...it's just a word, and is only relevant to the characters in the parable; for the hundredth time, it says nothing about the objective human condition.
"You're attempting to teach a man in the church..."
@aveyowyns Nope, I'm not lying and my conscience bears witness. You're teaching a semi-Gnostic lie that I once believed. It used to keep me in bondage to my sin, thinking I could not actually obey my Lord... but no longer. Scripture study and historical study shows the origin of this doctrine, Calvinism comes from Gnosticism error.
It says the man was alive "again", that means the man was alive before and then sinned and died. Read Ezekiel 18, Scripture and logic goes aways..this is done.
Yes, you are lying. You're sharing untruths, therefore you are lying.
I don't care for your feeble life history. Judas walked and talked with Christ and still betrayed him; that you flip-flop between doctrine is of little significance to me.
"again"
Once again, 'again' only holds relevance to the characters; in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if 'alive again' was simply echoing the common idea of being 'dead to their fathers,' whenever there was a falling out.
...'man' in the body of Christ. I have no teaching authority over you - which is what the Bible forbids against. Not only does this feeble-mindedness make me wonder if you are indeed Christian, but it convinces me that you are not confident in the nonsense you teach.
"must also argue that sinners/unbelievers were Christians/daughter and sons of Christ when they sinned"---yes, the context is the Jews, and the son left the Father(sinned, broke the relationship) and then returned(repentance) and came back to life AGAIN.
Yes, someone who's in Christ can fall away and not receive the final inheritance. Was not Peter restored? To deny that is to deny all of Hebrews, all of Galatians 3-5, 1 Cor 10 and pretty much all the OT.
Then the 'again' has nothing to do with CHRISTIANS. If you claim that the context is for Jews, who are God's people by birthright and not in spirit, then your argument falls flat on its face.
"Yes, someone who's in Christ can fall away..."
Nope, not true. Perseverance of the saints; Christ keeps those who are his, and those who fall away confirm they were never Christian to begin with - John 1:2, where we are warned against denying God.
...sin, came spiritual deadness. What you propose is that I am capable of begetting something of which I am not; a spiritually living soul - and humanity is not! Only God can do that; only the spiritually living can beget the spiritually living.
Now, in regards to Luke; once again, you are twisting a single phrase to reflect what you already presuppose to be true. In Luke, Paul does not say that he was spiritually alive, nor does he say that he was in some sort of better state...
...before the law. He's saying that before he knew the law, he was IGNORANT of his sin, and in his ignorance was self-righteousness (and possibly bliss, as the saying goes). Yet once he became aware of the Law, he saw his deadness and his sinfulness. The 'aliveness and deadness' are SUBJECTIVE and self-reflective, and they have nothing to say on the objective human condition - at least, not in the way that you twist it to say.
@aveyowyns Romans 7:9, and the context around it easily refutes your argument. Paul states in verse 7-8 that he did not know sin until the commandment, and then when he knew the commandment--it produced a sinful desire(when did it produce this desire??? at birth?, no at his learning of the LAW). THEN ... what happened, the law seduced him into thinking he could have righteousness by obedience and he broke the law and what... DIED. This entire context refutes your argument. Answer it.
"Paul states ... that he did not know sin until the commandment."
Exactly. We don't know the degree in which we have sinned until we are taken through the law.
"...and then when he knew the commandment, it produced a sinful desire."
That's not what the text says. It does not say that the law produces a sinful desire, but that by though knowing coveting is wrong, he becomes aware of when he does covet. If it indeed means what you twist it to mean, then those who have never heard...
No! The Law simply makes us aware of our sin. We do not sin any more or less with or without the Law.
"The law seduced him into thinking he could have righteousness."
Once again, that is not in the text. The Law, which exists to show us the path to righteousness (because ultimately, Christ is the only way practically, but the second way logically - if I followed the law perfectly, I could earn my way...
...into heaven on my own, but because I cannot - I need Christ) ...the Law, which exists to show us the path to righteousness, instead shows us that we CANNOT EVER do so. Without the law, we are alive in our own righteousness, but with the law, we are dead in sin.
@droptozro No my friend they aren't born spiritually alive. Romans 5:12, Romans 3:10-12, Genesis 6:5, Genesis 8:21, Psalm 14:2, Psalm 51:5, Psalm 58:3, Ecc 9:3, Jeremiah 17:9, Isaiah 53:6 and Proverbs 14:12. That's just a start. You may not like it, but it is true nonetheless. We all born sinners.
... what a bunch of proof texts, are you brainwashed? Do you actually read the context and whole verses? I'll answer every single one of yours if you can even attempt to take on the teaching verses I pointed out.
Rom 5:12 "..because all sinned"--because WHO sinned? All, not Adam.
@SkiesVibrant (cont1) Psalm 51:5--a pentitent Psalm about DAVID's sin with Bethsheba/Uriah. About every human being? nope. Context, metaphorical due to the nature of Psalms--read verse 51:7.. would you say David was LITERALLY cleansed with hyssop? Nope, so good chance it's metaphorical for the fact that David was just very sinful and exaggerating.
Psalm 58:3--same issue, metaphors.and exaggeration--babies don't talk. Stop taking metaphors and making them literal teachings.
@droptozro Huh? Psalm 58:3 is a psalm to the choirmaster and it comes from David's knowlege of God's law. You do know that God said David was a man after God's own heart, right? Clearly David says that the wicked go astray from birth, speaking lies". The rest of your so-called proofs don't amount to a hill of beans. Here is your argument. If the name of your child isn't in the good verses about their inheritance,since his/her name isn't there, it must not apply to them. This is very sad.
INFANTS don't speak... use your head... it's an exaggeration!
You need to take off the TULIP glasses and read what the text actually says in it's context. Only 2 of your proof-texts had to do with birth, and they're exaggerations by the context.
And you also made a straw-man argument at me, never said if "his/her name isn't there, it must not apply..." Context is key and you need to stop reading into text.
@droptozro Do you really believe that David wasn't trying to get across a real truth? He was just exaggerating FOR WHAT PURPOSE? I haven't changed the context, you have because you have made God IN YOUR IMAGE and that is blasphemous. Everything God does is for HIS glory, not ours and you have no right to usurp his words because you don't like them. I'm still waiting on the scripture that exempts babies.
I'm still waiting for a Scripture that proves babies are born sinful? Have yet to see one. No one's denying that we've all sinned when accountable. "sinful nature"--these two words don't appear anywhere in the Greek, it's an NIV/NLT lie. "sarx" is flesh and flesh alone. If the sinful nature is real, then Jesus was also in the sinful nature. The same word is used.
I gave you Romans 7, verse 9 shows Paul "alive" before the law. Prodigal son was "alive again" upon return
@droptozro Don't change the subject. This is not about the accountability of babies, but whether or not they ar sinful. There is a huge difference. BTW, I don't use the NIV or NLT, but neither am I a KJV Onlyist.
Again, your scriptures from Romans aren't about babies, are they? How's it feel to realize that your entire argument is now lost?
@droptozro I guess I shouldn't be surprised. When the scriptures talks about sin it's about ALL men. Isaiah used ALL, Ecclesiastes used ALL. Jeremiah still is dealing with sinful people, do you not think babies weren't present? Why do you think babies are exempt? Do you have some scripture that says they are exempt? Did you miss in Psalm 51:5 that David said "I was brought forth in iniquity" and that his own mother brought him forth in sin? How could you miss this?
I didn't miss any of your proof-texts, all were answered--look for all 4 comments. "ALL" does not include children or birth... nowhere in the texts. Sad part is most of them have to do with the context of that time and you're taking improper uses and making them universal. Christ died for all, that's a universal. But it's not universally applied automatically, neither is Adam's sin... one must SIN to become a sinner just as one must murder to become a murderer. Cain = example
@droptozro This is the poorest exegesis of scripture I've seen in a very long time. We ALL have sinned & we inherited this sinful nature from Adam. You may not like it, but that is what scripture says. How about we change all the scriptures for you so they all say "EXCEPT BABIES". Perhaps we could convince God that He should have been clearer in His teaching so your child is exempted. Do you think you could change God's mind about hating Esau but loving Jacob before they had done anything?
"poor exegesis of scripture..." .... "Do you think you could change God's mind about hating Esau but loving Jacob before they had done anything?"
Ooooh wow, the irony of your question and statement. My guess is you never have looked up the context of what Paul is quoting from the OT when he's teaching in Romans... have you?
That question alone aids me in knowing you need to study so much more... Your question is based on a false presupposition. Look up the OT texts.
@droptozro Wow! Of course that's where Paul got it. He didn't make it up out of whole cloth. The question now is, what was Paul trying to get across by quoting the OT. I'll take off my Reformed glasses to see how you wiggle out of this one. God is sovereign and you don't like it. That's too bad, but God will have mercy upon whom He will have mercy and you can't change His mind. Your scriptures aren't about babies so they don't count. Hasn't that been your defense?
Actually I am. Still not an argument either way, children are weak, ill-knowledged, and for the most part untaught(by parents). My little newborn cries because that's ALL SHE KNOWS... she cannot do anything else. She's not selfish, she cannot even help herself. To call that "sinful" is wicked of anyone.. you'd cry to for help if you were limbless and lost your memory, and you wouldn't be called sinful.. but needy! And properly so. Answer the texts.
How does freedom of PRIVACY work an OMNISCIENT or OMNIPRESENT god? What a totalitarian belief! It's the wish to be an abject slave to an eternal babysitter, that there be an unalterable, unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime & must subject u to total surveillance around the clock every waking & sleeping minute of ur life-before u're born & worse,after death. A celestial North Korea.Who but an ABJECT SLAVE desires such a ghastly fate?
Would you expect this same conscienceless moral bankrupt & pestilential mass murderer God to become a teacher of morals; of gentleness; of meekness; of righteousness; of purity?
What immense sarcasms & giant hypocrisies! The very same god ordered the wholesale massacre of men, babies, & cattle; the destruction of house & city; the kidnapping & banishment of the virgins into a filthy unspeakable slavery...fashoned the Beatitudes of Christ?
@EntinludeX Actually you bring up a good point but you totally miss it yourself. God is righteous, and pure therefore those things has to take place. You are making some very wild claims, and therefor I ask. PROVE IT. So far in all the conversations you have been in you have had to prove a single thing. So I ask and will continue to ask. Prove you points from scripture, and not just from one book. I want atleast two. or three verses per thing claim (from the old and new testaments).
@Wbeard92 "Prove you points from scripture, and not just from one book. I want atleast two. or three verses per thing claim (from the old and new testaments)."
It not only shows how kids are depraved by nature but how depraved the adults are, roaring with laughter at a child cursing up a storm over a "bad" gift. It depicts everything wrong with the world today ... how the parents live that their child has picked up on that language, and how he has zero discipline because he's allowed to speak that way. He's actually rewarded for that behavior. Mind boggling, disgusting and sad.
Would you expect this same conscienceless moral bankrupt & pestilential mass murderer God to become a teacher of morals; of gentleness; of meekness; of righteousness; of purity?
What immense sarcasms & giant hypocrisies! The very same god ordered the wholesale massacre of men, babies, & cattle; the destruction of house & city; the kidnapping & banishment of the virgins into a filthy unspeakable slavery...fashoned the Beatitudes of Christ?
How does freedom of PRIVACY work an OMNISCIENT or OMNIPRESENT god? What a totalitarian belief! It's the wish to be an abject slave to an eternal babysitter, that there be an unalterable, unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime & must subject u to total surveillance around the clock every waking & sleeping minute of ur life-before u're born & worse,after death. A celestial North Korea.Who but an ABJECT SLAVE desires such a ghastly fate?
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: The god of the bible. When life gives you rape, god says make rapeonade
@EntinludeX You are missing the whole point. That man had taken something from her that was being saved for her future husband (it was her virginity).
@Wbeard92 NO. YOU are missing the point of the woman having to marry her attacker and live constantly remembering that attack.
And **that** is the best idea your god can come up with? I can think of a few better ideas in about 60 seconds! Like telling people she is still a virgin because it was forced upon her and not her fault!
That isn't the teachings of a loving omniscient god, but twisted men.
pt.3 Using the gift of Life God so graciously gave her And the tongue He put inside her head To blaspheme the very source of Love, Light and Life: How typical Matilda, did you know you were fulfilling biblical prophecy? Romans 1, 2Timothy 3, & 2Peter 3 Enjoy your time out & about God laughs (Psalm 2:1-4) but is not mocked (Galatians 6:7) Remember this as you reap what you sow And in that moment humble yourself And cry out to Him. Signed, a former worldly wise moron
pt.2 And the sight of trees and sun and the gentle breeze Blowing softly through the leaves Brought her to rage. She's got the blood of her ancestors running down her back One Big Mac away from a heart attack Modern Matilda--- Listen to her roar! She's read a book by Richie Dawkins One by Bart Ehrman, Sam Harris And the putrid slop of Chris Hitchens, Now God is synonymous with every vulgar adjective She squirreled away along the way
pt.1 She's got it all figured out Listen to her shout Judging an ocean she's barely dipped her toe in By the thimble full of waste water she's tasted Running wild with the indoctrination And speculations Gleaned from fevered, university "educated" imaginations She's lapped up enslaved inside a tiny box of doubt She's got a whole wide world she's never known all sussed out Because her guardians once let her out To creep from her cage And peep through the crack in the cellar door
@wisjohns The kid was cussing and cursing their parents; not to mention the Bible told me so. "Psalms 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me."
@MustardSeedish Yes, but that does not prove the doctrine of total depravity, which states that man is unable to choose God. I agree that we are born with a nature to sin, however we can choose to repent and put our faith and trust is Jesus.
@wisjohns Even though I believe what the Bible says about election, I can have fellowship with people like Ravenhill and Westley. The problem is most Christians no longer believe in regeneration and sanctification. The whole reason why Jesus died for us is because we are defiled and depraved. Without this realization, we take a huge part of the Gospel. If you don't like calvinists, fine. Listen to good teachers like Ravenhill who are not calvinists and teach on the doctrine of total depravity.
@MustardSeedish I am not a calvinist and I HATE the debate between calvinists and non-calvinists. I will not discuss this here. We do not know each other and what each believes. I am a Bible believing Christian, I preach sin judgement and The Holliness of God, and also the Grace and Mercy of God. I do not however debate man made doctrines like calvinism.
ur god is primative fictional vengeful, closed minded, malevolent, bigot who is willing to kill men, women, & children simply because they don't agree w/him. That is a dictator myth for ignorant savages. He has no care for feelings, or thoughts. He only cares if we obey.
This is what you offer? Yahweh: a bronzeage war god of blood sacrifice, genocide,& foreksin collecting who's idea of righteous justice is capital punishment for children? Thats the model for merciful forgiveness?
Do Christians really not get how REPUGNANTLY DISGUSTING & PRIMATIVLY BARBARIC the idea of vicarious redemptive SCAPEGOATING BLOOD SACRICFICE to pardon ANY transgressions is?
The best idea an omniscient god who WILLED the universe into existance could come up with for forgiveness was to make a grand spectical of faking his death in the vastly illiterate primative middleeast? Eternal life in exchange for innocent blood?
Would you expect this same conscienceless moral bankrupt & pestilential mass murderer God to become a teacher of morals; of gentleness; of meekness; of righteousness; of purity?
What immense sarcasms & giant hypocrisies! The very same god ordered the wholesale massacre of men, babies, & cattle; the destruction of house & city; the kidnapping & banishment of the virgins into a filthy unspeakable slavery...fashoned the Beatitudes of Christ?
God is infinitely just & His ways & thoughts r as high above man as the furthest reaches of space are from the earth, which means there is NO hypothetical situation your finite mind can dream up which He doesn't understand from a trillion.2 different angles-- inside, outside, within, without, transcending, enveloping-- any little notion you have about what a meany He is.
Your attempts to vilify God are the whinings of spoiled adult children who r2 self-righteous&"wise" in their own eyes2repent.
@WilliamTyndale1 "God is infinitely just & His ways & thoughts r as high above man as the furthest reaches of space are from the earth, which means there is NO hypothetical situation your finite mind can dream up which He doesn't understand from a trillion...Your attempts to vilify God are the whinings of spoiled adult children who r2 self-righteous&"wise" in their own eyes2repent"
therefore sometimes in the bronzeage you simply must stone unruly children to death with stones. For justice.
Think Todd might have to get out the chalkboard and enlighten the "enlightened" on the doctrine of total depravity. See a lot of confused folks sounding off.
What it is not: That kids are completely evil scumbags.
What it is: All humans enter this fallen world with a sin nature. There is NOTHING man can do to take away his sin or make himself right before holy and just almighty God. Only the blood of Jesus Christ can do this.
Who alone decides who goes to heaven: Infinitely Just Almighty God
@WilliamTyndale1 "What it is: All humans enter this fallen world with a sin nature. There is NOTHING man can do to take away his sin or make himself right before holy and just almighty God. Only the blood of Jesus Christ can do this."
so humans are made broken & impotent, then commanded upon threat of capital punishment to be well, then only given one viable action of recourse. Then pretend to call that free-will, andn ot what it actually is: EXTORTION.
@EntinludeX Humans were made perfect IN THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD. They chose to sin. By Adam & Eve, sin entered the world. We are born to it, God did not create us this way. And while we are born to it, each of us CHOOSES it, lest we get the victim mentality that God has rigged the game against us. We CHOOSE to deny God, who gave us life and to whom this life we rightly owe. You are judging God by the same standards you use for fallen man. It will always seem skewed 2 you through such lens
The kids are acting the way they are because they know what their parents are trying to do. You underestimate them.
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exactly what I thought when I first saw the jimmy kimmel video... but just one question, is this how american kids are like ?
wilson910916 1 month ago
I understand your point now Todd : you wanted to show us that kids are spoiled from the core, and that it doesn't mean because they are little and "cute" that they don't need Jesus and his Salvation. Actually I begin to that think they must be evangelised as soon as possible.
If some Kids can curse like that, it means they too must receive conviction of sin, justice and Judgement
Thanks bro ..
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I GOT PONIES!!! I GOT PONIES!!!
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Those must have been some sadistic parents...
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Also, from the get go, it shows how misguided this video stands to be...
“See that you do not despise one of these little ones, for I say to you that their angels in heaven continually see the face of My Father who is in heaven. For the Son of Man has come to save that which was lost. -Matthew 18:10-11
RaizeMusic 1 month ago
As much as I believe in the depravity of man, I do not believe in the doctrine of total depravity. The idea that from birth, man is completely deprave and apart from knowing the gospel and being born again, he cannot do any good and merits a one way ticket to hell. Paul In Romans 2 speaks of the Gentiles who know not the law but instinctively do things of the Law, having their conscience bear witness, and of which CAN serve to excuse them on the day of judgment.
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Except that the law cannot save. Romans 3:19-20 : Now we know that whatever the law says, it says to those who are under the law, so that every mouth may be silenced and the whole world held accountable to God. Therefore no one will be declared righteous in God’s sight by the works of the law.
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@bkniceley Romans 2:14-16: For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.
RaizeMusic 1 month ago
@RaizeMusic Revelations 20:12&15, the non-believing dead (whether by means of rejection or ignorance) will partake in a judgement of deeds. Justification does not apply to this judgment. Some will be excused while others will be condemned, and it will be their conscious that bears witness with the law serving as the standard.
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Right, therefore they are without excuse, but apart from Christ, one cannot be saved, as the law did not provide eternal life even if they have the law. See:
Gal. 2:16 : "because by works of the law no one will be justified."
Gal 3:10 : "Now it is evident that no one is justified before God by the law."
Gal 3:21 : "if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law"
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@bkniceley "therefore they are without excuse"
Do you submit that if one knows not Christ, they will automatically be commited to the second death? Because that is the heart of my point, I do not disagree with what you are sharing.
RaizeMusic 1 month ago
@FarmboyRecords Where exactly is this age of accountability mentioned in the bible?
jwissick 1 month ago
@jwissick ME! ME! There are varying opinions on this one e.g. 13 or 7 yrs. old or it can be dependent on a child's understanding, but I prefer the example given in Exodus where the people disobeyed to enter the promised land and claimed God brought them there to kill them and their children (Num 14:3) God said no, all the adults will die here in the desert except those under the age of 20. (Num 14:29) So there is good evidence that 20 is the age of accountability. Whatcha think James?
KJVWordofGod 1 month ago
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Nope. 7 to 20 years old? Are you kidding me? And no where does say it applies to people getting into heaven or hell. Nice try, but FAIL.
jwissick 1 month ago
@jwissick NOT Fail....lol. God held only those 20 yrs of age and older ACCOUNTABLE for the disobedience of the whole of Israel. Just because you refuse to accept it does not make it wrong. You are not the arbiter of all things (in case you didn't know...LOL) BTW, when I do respond to you it is not for your sake but for the sake of others who may read these posts, to help them in their faith...so thanks for raising the question. So you see that God uses even you, despite yourself.
KJVWordofGod 1 month ago
@royaldiadem That is the most moronic idiotic thing I have read all day. Everyone here is now more stupid because they read it. Abortion isn't about hatred.
jwissick 1 month ago
@jwissick You are correct. Abortion is about convenience and about money and about racism and about reducing world population to a controllable number (Georgia Guidestones). (I guess you could say racism is hatred though). But mostly, abortion is about money and reducing the population to controllable numbers.
KJVWordofGod 1 month ago
@KJVWordofGod Wrong. It's about the right to be in control of your own body.
There is little racism if any in the picture today.
jwissick 1 month ago
@IDH77 I am a parent and you are making a horribly illogical argument.. So the next time my child does something obedient that means they are righteous? No, it's because they're gaining knowledge and self awareness of their own will and ability to NOT have to obey the parent. Nevermind the fact that children usually learn "no" first because they're commanded "no" so often. It's a lie. Study scripture more.
droptozro 1 month ago
Do these kids deserve eternal torture?
mooney137 1 month ago
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yes. we all do. case closed.
FarmboyRecords 1 month ago
@FarmboyRecords I guess I could kind of see it for the kid who said he hated he parents, but even infants do hell? Surely you don't believe that.
mooney137 1 month ago
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Well. Yes and no.
Yes, they actually do deserve hell, because they have a sin nature. HOWEVER, I believe the Bible is clear that before you reach an age of accountability, God's grace covers those who don't have a capacity to reject God. (kids, mentally handicap, aborted babies, etc)
FarmboyRecords 1 month ago
As far as the babies debate goes. Yes, babies inherit sinful nature, that would include ALL of humanity and that is entirely biblical. Whether babies that die go to hell or not is unknown. My understanding is that there is an "age of innocence" or "age of accountability" in which a baby that can't make the choice for or against Christ is saved by God's abounding grace and mercy.
CalamityStriker 1 month ago
Wow! I am baffled. I knew that there were misinterpretations of the Bible but c'mon you are missing the most crucial aspect of the Christian. Let me clarify. ALL absolutely ALL of humanity has inherited sinful nature from Adam. ALL except Jesus Christ, Jesus was born of a virgin(Mary), His genetic make up came from God which is why He was perfect and also why God calls Him His son. Jesus died for ALL of humanity so that man could be/dwell with God. That is the foundation of Christianity.
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These instances do not show or prove "total depravity" from birth as much as it shows the evil ways of how we raise and train our children to respond to situations as the children who cussed. Proverbs 22:6.
Some of the children's responses were actually sensible. Which good parent would give their child a rotten fruit or an eaten up sandwich or give a boy a girl's toy. Luke 11.
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impisable 1 month ago
@SkiesVibrant Where are the words "sinful nature" in the KJV then? I never said mine were about babies.. Paul states he was alive before the law, that's not possible in Calvinism... Showing your error.
droptozro 1 month ago
@SkiesVibrant Tulip is from hell... You don't understand Romans nor the history/context of the Jew/Gentile issue... I'm not about to spend comment section correcting your horrid misunderstanding of chapter 9(and 5). You need to study more, Jacob and Esau represent nations, in the larger picture Paul is contrasting Jew/Gentile.
droptozro 1 month ago
These kids are spoiled lol
TheCh1212 1 month ago
God made and gave life, I'm pretty sure he has the authority and right to take it away. The idea that God is evil for taking back what He gave comes from the common misconceptions that life on earth is it, sorry there is existence after life on this earth.
CalamityStriker 1 month ago
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@CalamityStriker " sorry there is existence after life on this earth."
Is there Habeas Corpus in heaven?
EntinludeX 1 month ago
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@CalamityStriker "God made and gave life, I'm pretty sure he has the authority and right to take it away."
It's good to know that genocide is a right. I mean, of course there's a loving reason for death, blood sacrifice, & capital punishment. It makes perfect sense to embody grave, justice, & mercy with the inventor of it's exact opposite. Life liberty & the persute of happyness.
Unless you step out of line. Then it's bullocks to you. bwahaha. grace from beyooooond the grave. lol
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God as a parent? Come on, he kills children. He invented death & applied capital punishment unilaterally because he loves the smell of blood sacrifice. when he's nto drowning them or slaughterting them w/ plages or pestilence or ordering their genocide.
You're all quite clearly out of your minds.
Abraham was the worst parent ever imagined. Except for his god, of course.
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How does freedom of PRIVACY work an OMNISCIENT or OMNIPRESENT god? What a totalitarian belief! It's the wish to be an abject slave to an eternal babysitter, that there be an unalterable, unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime & must subject u to total surveillance around the clock every waking & sleeping minute of ur life-before u're born & worse,after death. A celestial North Korea.Who but an ABJECT SLAVE desires such a ghastly fate?
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Would you expect this same conscienceless moral bankrupt & pestilential mass murderer God to become a teacher of morals; of gentleness; of meekness; of righteousness; of purity?
What immense sarcasms & giant hypocrisies! The very same god ordered the wholesale massacre of men, babies, & cattle; the destruction of house & city; the kidnapping & banishment of the virgins into a filthy unspeakable slavery...fashoned the Beatitudes of Christ?
Only in the diaries of a madman.
EntinludeX 1 month ago
Theological discussion aside, the people who did this to their kids just to be able to get on TV are horrible parents.
JMcH 1 month ago
@JMcH People who lie to their kids saying Santa Clause is real and do the whole he gives you gifts are horrible parents.
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@JesusforLife2 - Amen to that! My wife and I have never taught our kids about Santa Claus and made it clear to them that he's just pretend. We've had to fight against their schools' indoctrination on the issue, though. It's often frustrating. The majority of Americans celebrate the birth of Jesus, but the schools can't even mention that.
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@JMcH yea I was surprised because I was out tutoring some kids and the teacher was teaching about islam and the prophet muhammad. I heard all sorts of clean nice things about him yet we can't talk about Jesus besides the one kid in the class who starts a conversation about him.
jaredsshield 1 month ago
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God bless you!!! Your children will be blessed!
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@susanjenkins777 - I hope so. It's been a struggle against the worldly indoctrination.
JMcH 1 month ago
@JMcH "the people who did this to their kids just to be able to get on TV are horrible parents."
Oh, come now. I think that's a bit judgmental. I am sure these parents love and cherish their children.
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@ddrninjette :that's a bit judgmental. I am sure these parents love and cherish their children.:
1) why is it wrong to be judgmental? You are judging the person who made the statement.
2) How do you know that EACH of "These parents love and cherish their children." I would suppose that at least one of those parents committed the sin of abortion: They hated the child in the womb and had it murdered for hire.
royaldiadem 1 month ago
@royaldiadem "1) why is it wrong to be judgmental?" - There's nothing wrong with judging others in and of itself. However, being too judgmental or overly judgmental can demoralize others and can cause conflict / discord.
"You are judging the person who made the statement." - When did I make any value statements?
"How do you know that EACH of "These parents love and cherish their children." - Because I can hear the love for their children in their voices.
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@royaldiadem "I would suppose that at least one of those parents committed the sin of abortion: They hated the child in the womb and had it murdered for hire."
Please don't say things like that. You don't understand what goes though your mind when you are actually faced with an unwanted pregnancy. I didn't... I don't want to talk about this.
ddrninjette 1 month ago
@royaldiadem I believe you hate other people on basis of randomizing and one of 10 people on youtube hate others. Sarcasm* I think your out of hand... >_>
jaredsshield 1 month ago
The only one that was funny was the boy and girl that got the PBnJ. That boy wanted it at least!
The rest of them, well, made me sick. The parents that would do that to their kids, and watching the kids react to a "bad" gift. In some countries, a piece of fruit is a great gift because it's so expensive. Something is very wrong here...
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why would parents to that to their own kids?
You can't blame the kids at all when they have parents who think being mean is funny.
It is pretty sad kids have to grow up with parents who are ignorant, parents who love horror movies, parents who think it is funny teaching kids how to be rude and mean. Love is lost. Now the kids can use their new knowledge to pick on kids at school, to laugh at the disabled, and to tell their teachers off. NO LOVE from those parents, was the kids first thoughts.
YouAreNotAMonkey 1 month ago
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Jesus is god. This is what god(jesus)ordered in the O.T>Witches, kill them. Homosexuals, kill them.fortunetellers, kill them. those who don`t listen to priests, kill them. those hitting their dad, kill them. those who curse their parents, kill them, adulterers, kill them. fornicators, kill them. people who believe in other religions, kill them. non-believers,kill them. fals prohets ,kill them. blasphemers, kill them. those who work on the Sabbath, kill them. The word of god ??????????
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YouAreNotAMonkey 1 month ago
@EntinludeX you quote from the NLT not from the bible. The NLT is a paraphrase, someone rewrote the bible, making heavy modifications to suit his agenda. The real Bible doesn't talk about rape there, it talk about a couple who had sex before marriage and God told them to marry. (that's a totally different thing than to force a raped victim to marry the rapist). Check the KJV and not some wicked paraphrases full of contradictions.
lamisol 1 month ago
@lamisol You'll never get through to him. Any reading and understanding of the early Hebrew culture explains this supposed evil act. He needs to read Deuteronomy 22:13-29. The Bible does say that a raped woman who was not betrothed previously and is a virgin shall marry her attacker IF THEY ARE FOUND, but the rapist must then pay her father 50 shekels of silver and he may never divorce her. This is his punishment. If they are not found, only the rapist is punished.
SkiesVibrant 1 month ago
(2) This is not a punishment for the woman. But in the Hebrew culture, no one would be able to marry this woman and keep in good standing in the community. She would be an outcast. People who live in our present day culture in our country, don't seem to have any problem with sleeping around, so they can't understand the huge stigma this was at the time.
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@SkiesVibrant "This is not a punishment for the woman."
Why on earth would anyone think marrying your rapist is a punishment?
"People who live in our present day culture in our country, don't seem to have any problem with sleeping around, " Totally the same thing as being raped.
EntinludeX 1 month ago
@SkiesVibrant He also doesn't understand that the Old Testament was the old covenant between God and His people, it was the law Without grace. With Jesus sacrifice fulfilling the old covenant, God made a new covenant which is found in the New Testament, which is the law under grace. Grace is defined as giving mercy to someone that doesn't deserve it. EntinludeX just blows smoke making fun of the old covenant when it's clear that we live under the new covenant.
CalamityStriker 1 month ago
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@CalamityStriker "EntinludeX just blows smoke making fun of the old covenant when it's clear that we live under the new covenant."
Ah so you can teach a bronze-age child-stoning god who invented death, capital punishment & blood sacrifice new tricks?
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@CalamityStriker "Grace is defined as giving mercy to someone that doesn't deserve it."
So in the OT god was a merciless slaughtering death dealing foreskin collecting child-stoning earth drowning psychopath.
But now he loves you. So. yay.
EntinludeX 1 month ago
@CalamityStriker Apparently it's not clear to him, LOL. So common for these folks to attack Christians without knowing a thing about the scriptures. Should we school 'em on the 3 types of the law in the OT?
SkiesVibrant 1 month ago
@SkiesVibrant I don't think it would help him much. I hear this argument a lot, that God is a tyrannic evil being. It's funny actually to hear an imperfect person say that God is evil because He is a God of Justice and then to insinuate that they have a better understanding than God of what morality and justice is all the while not having a fundamental foundation of what right and wrong is. Atheists believe in personal-opinion morality and then try to tell us that we have it wrong. Very ironic.
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@CalamityStriker "It's funny actually to hear an imperfect person say that God is evil because He is a God of Justice and then to insinuate that they have a better understanding than God"
B3ecause CLEARLY inventing death, perfecting capital punishment, prefering blood sacrifice, & applying it to children is all quite praiseworhty justice. Guilty until proven innocent.
EntinludeX 1 month ago
@CalamityStriker Sadly, I understand atheists very well. Dan Barker is my cousin. I love him, he is part of my family, but I never talk to him. The damage he has done to my family is very painful. You have described atheists very well.
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@SkiesVibrant " Dan Barker is my cousin. I love him, he is part of my family, but I never talk to him. The damage he has done to my family is very painful. "
Explain please.
EntinludeX 1 month ago
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@SkiesVibrant " rapist must then pay her father 50 shekels of silver and he may never divorce her. This is his punishment. If they are not found, only the rapist is punished."
rape someone, pay 50 checkles, marry her. win/win.
How barbaric.
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@lamisol You are mistaken my friend on the NLT being a paraphrase. Paraphrases are as you have described them, the NLT isn't one of them. Today the most popular paraphrases are The Message and the stand-by The Living Bible. The Living Bible isn't the NLT. I used to make the same mistake because of the use of the word "Living". No big deal. God Bless.
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@lamisol "ou quote from the NLT not from the bible...Check the KJV and not some wicked paraphrases full of contradictions."
LMFAO 30,000 sects of christianity everyone has their own bible. Of COURSE the one made for King James is the "correct" one. lmfao
EntinludeX 1 month ago
Look. I agree that we are born fallen. But, let's not confuse not being able to communicate correctly or getting frustrated because you don't know how to handle getting teased by your parents with sinning. Most of those kids I thought were just fine. For the most part, kids reflect their parents so who's really sinning?
Just because a baby cries doesn't mean he's being depraved. It could mean that he's sick and not being able to talk cries. People aren't doing what you think they are doing.
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How does freedom of PRIVACY work an OMNISCIENT or OMNIPRESENT god? What a totalitarian belief! It's the wish to be an abject slave to an eternal babysitter, that there be an unalterable, unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime & must subject u to total surveillance around the clock every waking & sleeping minute of ur life-before u're born & worse,after death. A celestial North Korea.Who but an ABJECT SLAVE desires such a ghastly fate?
EntinludeX 1 month ago
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Would you expect this same conscienceless moral bankrupt & pestilential mass murderer God to become a teacher of morals; of gentleness; of meekness; of righteousness; of purity?
What immense sarcasms & giant hypocrisies! The very same god ordered the wholesale massacre of men, babies, & cattle; the destruction of house & city; the kidnapping & banishment of the virgins into a filthy unspeakable slavery...fashoned the Beatitudes of Christ?
Only in the diaries of a madman.
EntinludeX 1 month ago
You have to love the little girl who got the black banana. I doubt her parents expected her to squish and eat it! Ewww....
MyHorsieIsBest 1 month ago 5
Excuse me??? I didn't see a single newborn sinning in this video... I guess "from birth" now means K thru 8th grade. Just because these parents are raising children who might sin doesn't mean they're born that way... Talk about a non sequitur. Logic says Calvinism fails and so does Scripture. Take a teaching portion, Romans 7::9 and parable of prodigal son... People are born spiritually ALIVE!
droptozro 1 month ago
@droptozro Lets face it you just don’t like being called a sinner!
Btw I'm not a Calvinist but without being Born Again by the Holy Spirit you're spiritually dead!
IDH77 1 month ago
@IDH77
... nope, I was a wretched sinner. Have no issue with that... thanks for not actually replying to the objection and making a false argument. Continue on.
droptozro 1 month ago
@droptozro I take it you’ve never been a parent? Believe me there's a reason that kids learn ‘no’ as their first word!
Btw Calvinism is NOT the only or even the best way to interpret the Bible so disproving Calvinism doesn’t invalidate the Scriptures.
The fact that we are fallen by nature is not only Scriptural but self-evident by the way that mankind behaves.
IDH77 1 month ago
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People are not born spiritually alive; people are born spiritually DEAD
Christ wasn't talking about human depravity with the prodigal son; that's what you call reading too deeply into a metaphor.
Human depravity doesn't express that newborns sin, rather that people are born with the inclination to sin, rather than do good. Goodness is a work of Christ and can only be done through him, otherwise, even seemingly altruistic acts done by unbelievers, are done out of evil or impure intentions.
aveyowyns 1 month ago
@aveyowyns
"...reading too deeply"
Jesus said the prodigal son was DEAD, then ALIVE *AGAIN*... key word... AGAIN. Answer the text rather than making an excuse. Rom 7:9, Paul clearly states he was alive before the law... that would have been around age 12-13 for him in Jewish culture, considering him to be a man. He became accountable and died to the law. Answer the Scriptures and stop making up unbiblical arguments.
droptozro 1 month ago
@droptozro
You are twisting mere phrases within scripture to reflect you already presupposed truths.
The Prodigal son does not talk about human depravity; Jesus shared that parable when asked why it was that he ate among sinners. His parables simply illustrate why it was he does so - that he finds greater joy in the company of the lost when it leads to repentance than in sharing company with righteous men.
Humanity became spiritually living ONLY when God had breathed life into us; but with...
aveyowyns 1 month ago
@aveyowyns
You're not answering the objections, and making a red-herring argument. I never said the whole parable had to do with human depravity, I zoned in on a statement Jesus TAUGHT. Jesus clearly stated the prodigal son was "dead, and is now alive again." Do you think Jesus lied? Or do you deny that the word "again" is in the text. Answer this question, I want you to quote it and answer it.
I never quoted Luke either.
droptozro 1 month ago
@droptozro
I'm not making any red herrings.
You did quote Luke, you brought up the prodigal son, which is in Luke. But I made a mistake, I meant Romans instead of Luke.
"I never said the whole parable had to do with human depravity."
Indeed. You think a single phrase within a parable about something completely different speaks on human depravity.
"I zoned in on what Jesus taught."
No, you zoned in on a single phrase within what Jesus taught.
"Do you think Jesus lied."
No, I think you're lying.
aveyowyns 1 month ago
@droptozro
"...or do you deny that the word 'again' is in the text."
A lot of words are in the text... but if we are going to take 'again' to mean more than just a word, then you must also argue that sinners/unbelievers were Christians/daughters and sons of Christ and when they sinned, the lost their salvation or whatever, and then received it again by Christ.
aveyowyns 1 month ago
@aveyowyns
"lying"--false accusation, where did I lie?
"if we are going to take 'again' to mean more than just a word..." Talk about reading between the lines, the word again means AGAIN. If you cannot face that fact this is done, and you need to also as a sister in Christ actually obey the Scriptures--you're attempting to teach a man in the church and you know that's not your position. If you have a husband or father(or close man that aids you) I'd be glad to continue.
droptozro 1 month ago
@droptozro
"Where did I lie?"
Lying is not contingent upon whether or not you do so maliciously, but upon whether or not you tell untruths. However true you believe what you're sharing is, it's a lie - and therefore, you are lying.
"...the word means again."
...it's just a word, and is only relevant to the characters in the parable; for the hundredth time, it says nothing about the objective human condition.
"You're attempting to teach a man in the church..."
I'm attempting to teach a...
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droptozro 1 month ago
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@aveyowyns Nope, I'm not lying and my conscience bears witness. You're teaching a semi-Gnostic lie that I once believed. It used to keep me in bondage to my sin, thinking I could not actually obey my Lord... but no longer. Scripture study and historical study shows the origin of this doctrine, Calvinism comes from Gnosticism error.
It says the man was alive "again", that means the man was alive before and then sinned and died. Read Ezekiel 18, Scripture and logic goes aways..this is done.
droptozro 1 month ago
@droptozro
Yes, you are lying. You're sharing untruths, therefore you are lying.
I don't care for your feeble life history. Judas walked and talked with Christ and still betrayed him; that you flip-flop between doctrine is of little significance to me.
"again"
Once again, 'again' only holds relevance to the characters; in fact, I wouldn't be surprised if 'alive again' was simply echoing the common idea of being 'dead to their fathers,' whenever there was a falling out.
aveyowyns 1 month ago
@droptozro
...of course you're done.
You cling to only a single phrase, out of two now ... and don't even bother to address your twisting of Romans.
Good day.
aveyowyns 1 month ago
@droptozro
...'man' in the body of Christ. I have no teaching authority over you - which is what the Bible forbids against. Not only does this feeble-mindedness make me wonder if you are indeed Christian, but it convinces me that you are not confident in the nonsense you teach.
aveyowyns 1 month ago
@aveyowyns
"must also argue that sinners/unbelievers were Christians/daughter and sons of Christ when they sinned"---yes, the context is the Jews, and the son left the Father(sinned, broke the relationship) and then returned(repentance) and came back to life AGAIN.
Yes, someone who's in Christ can fall away and not receive the final inheritance. Was not Peter restored? To deny that is to deny all of Hebrews, all of Galatians 3-5, 1 Cor 10 and pretty much all the OT.
droptozro 1 month ago
@droptozro
"...yes, the context is the Jews."
Then the 'again' has nothing to do with CHRISTIANS. If you claim that the context is for Jews, who are God's people by birthright and not in spirit, then your argument falls flat on its face.
"Yes, someone who's in Christ can fall away..."
Nope, not true. Perseverance of the saints; Christ keeps those who are his, and those who fall away confirm they were never Christian to begin with - John 1:2, where we are warned against denying God.
aveyowyns 1 month ago
@droptozro
cor: 1 John 2
aveyowyns 1 month ago
@droptozro
...sin, came spiritual deadness. What you propose is that I am capable of begetting something of which I am not; a spiritually living soul - and humanity is not! Only God can do that; only the spiritually living can beget the spiritually living.
Now, in regards to Luke; once again, you are twisting a single phrase to reflect what you already presuppose to be true. In Luke, Paul does not say that he was spiritually alive, nor does he say that he was in some sort of better state...
aveyowyns 1 month ago
@droptozro
...before the law. He's saying that before he knew the law, he was IGNORANT of his sin, and in his ignorance was self-righteousness (and possibly bliss, as the saying goes). Yet once he became aware of the Law, he saw his deadness and his sinfulness. The 'aliveness and deadness' are SUBJECTIVE and self-reflective, and they have nothing to say on the objective human condition - at least, not in the way that you twist it to say.
aveyowyns 1 month ago
@aveyowyns Romans 7:9, and the context around it easily refutes your argument. Paul states in verse 7-8 that he did not know sin until the commandment, and then when he knew the commandment--it produced a sinful desire(when did it produce this desire??? at birth?, no at his learning of the LAW). THEN ... what happened, the law seduced him into thinking he could have righteousness by obedience and he broke the law and what... DIED. This entire context refutes your argument. Answer it.
droptozro 1 month ago
@droptozro
"Paul states ... that he did not know sin until the commandment."
Exactly. We don't know the degree in which we have sinned until we are taken through the law.
"...and then when he knew the commandment, it produced a sinful desire."
That's not what the text says. It does not say that the law produces a sinful desire, but that by though knowing coveting is wrong, he becomes aware of when he does covet. If it indeed means what you twist it to mean, then those who have never heard...
aveyowyns 1 month ago
@droptozro
...the ten commandments, know no sin at all.
"...at his learning of the law."
No! The Law simply makes us aware of our sin. We do not sin any more or less with or without the Law.
"The law seduced him into thinking he could have righteousness."
Once again, that is not in the text. The Law, which exists to show us the path to righteousness (because ultimately, Christ is the only way practically, but the second way logically - if I followed the law perfectly, I could earn my way...
aveyowyns 1 month ago
@droptozro
...into heaven on my own, but because I cannot - I need Christ) ...the Law, which exists to show us the path to righteousness, instead shows us that we CANNOT EVER do so. Without the law, we are alive in our own righteousness, but with the law, we are dead in sin.
aveyowyns 1 month ago
@droptozro No my friend they aren't born spiritually alive. Romans 5:12, Romans 3:10-12, Genesis 6:5, Genesis 8:21, Psalm 14:2, Psalm 51:5, Psalm 58:3, Ecc 9:3, Jeremiah 17:9, Isaiah 53:6 and Proverbs 14:12. That's just a start. You may not like it, but it is true nonetheless. We all born sinners.
SkiesVibrant 1 month ago
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@SkiesVibrant You know it's true. cuz it's in a book with taking donkeys.
EntinludeX 1 month ago
@SkiesVibrant
... what a bunch of proof texts, are you brainwashed? Do you actually read the context and whole verses? I'll answer every single one of yours if you can even attempt to take on the teaching verses I pointed out.
Rom 5:12 "..because all sinned"--because WHO sinned? All, not Adam.
Rom 3:10-12 ... anything about birth? nope.
Gen 6:5 anything about birth or babies? nope.
Gen 8:21 "youth"--I guess 'youth' means birth now? nope.
Psalm 14:2 --birth? nope
Psalm 51:5 (continued)
droptozro 1 month ago
@SkiesVibrant (cont1) Psalm 51:5--a pentitent Psalm about DAVID's sin with Bethsheba/Uriah. About every human being? nope. Context, metaphorical due to the nature of Psalms--read verse 51:7.. would you say David was LITERALLY cleansed with hyssop? Nope, so good chance it's metaphorical for the fact that David was just very sinful and exaggerating.
Psalm 58:3--same issue, metaphors.and exaggeration--babies don't talk. Stop taking metaphors and making them literal teachings.
droptozro 1 month ago
@droptozro Huh? Psalm 58:3 is a psalm to the choirmaster and it comes from David's knowlege of God's law. You do know that God said David was a man after God's own heart, right? Clearly David says that the wicked go astray from birth, speaking lies". The rest of your so-called proofs don't amount to a hill of beans. Here is your argument. If the name of your child isn't in the good verses about their inheritance,since his/her name isn't there, it must not apply to them. This is very sad.
SkiesVibrant 1 month ago
@SkiesVibrant
"the wicked go astray from birth, speaking lies"
INFANTS don't speak... use your head... it's an exaggeration!
You need to take off the TULIP glasses and read what the text actually says in it's context. Only 2 of your proof-texts had to do with birth, and they're exaggerations by the context.
And you also made a straw-man argument at me, never said if "his/her name isn't there, it must not apply..." Context is key and you need to stop reading into text.
droptozro 1 month ago
@droptozro Do you really believe that David wasn't trying to get across a real truth? He was just exaggerating FOR WHAT PURPOSE? I haven't changed the context, you have because you have made God IN YOUR IMAGE and that is blasphemous. Everything God does is for HIS glory, not ours and you have no right to usurp his words because you don't like them. I'm still waiting on the scripture that exempts babies.
SkiesVibrant 1 month ago
@SkiesVibrant
I'm still waiting for a Scripture that proves babies are born sinful? Have yet to see one. No one's denying that we've all sinned when accountable. "sinful nature"--these two words don't appear anywhere in the Greek, it's an NIV/NLT lie. "sarx" is flesh and flesh alone. If the sinful nature is real, then Jesus was also in the sinful nature. The same word is used.
I gave you Romans 7, verse 9 shows Paul "alive" before the law. Prodigal son was "alive again" upon return
droptozro 1 month ago
@droptozro Don't change the subject. This is not about the accountability of babies, but whether or not they ar sinful. There is a huge difference. BTW, I don't use the NIV or NLT, but neither am I a KJV Onlyist.
Again, your scriptures from Romans aren't about babies, are they? How's it feel to realize that your entire argument is now lost?
SkiesVibrant 1 month ago
@SkiesVibrant
Ecc 9:3--nothing about birth? or children even? nope
Jer 17:9--context is about Israel and their state, not you or I. Either way, birth mentioned again? Nope.
Isa 53:6- birth? nope. "Astray: actually implies one was on the right path to begin with also, so thanks for helping to prove my Scriptural view.
Prov 14:12--uh, birth? nope.
"we are all born sinners"
You gave me a list of 11 proof-texts, and none of them have to do with birth but 2--and they're exaggerations. Try again
droptozro 1 month ago
@droptozro I guess I shouldn't be surprised. When the scriptures talks about sin it's about ALL men. Isaiah used ALL, Ecclesiastes used ALL. Jeremiah still is dealing with sinful people, do you not think babies weren't present? Why do you think babies are exempt? Do you have some scripture that says they are exempt? Did you miss in Psalm 51:5 that David said "I was brought forth in iniquity" and that his own mother brought him forth in sin? How could you miss this?
SkiesVibrant 1 month ago
@SkiesVibrant
I didn't miss any of your proof-texts, all were answered--look for all 4 comments. "ALL" does not include children or birth... nowhere in the texts. Sad part is most of them have to do with the context of that time and you're taking improper uses and making them universal. Christ died for all, that's a universal. But it's not universally applied automatically, neither is Adam's sin... one must SIN to become a sinner just as one must murder to become a murderer. Cain = example
droptozro 1 month ago
@droptozro This is the poorest exegesis of scripture I've seen in a very long time. We ALL have sinned & we inherited this sinful nature from Adam. You may not like it, but that is what scripture says. How about we change all the scriptures for you so they all say "EXCEPT BABIES". Perhaps we could convince God that He should have been clearer in His teaching so your child is exempted. Do you think you could change God's mind about hating Esau but loving Jacob before they had done anything?
SkiesVibrant 1 month ago
@SkiesVibrant
"poor exegesis of scripture..." .... "Do you think you could change God's mind about hating Esau but loving Jacob before they had done anything?"
Ooooh wow, the irony of your question and statement. My guess is you never have looked up the context of what Paul is quoting from the OT when he's teaching in Romans... have you?
That question alone aids me in knowing you need to study so much more... Your question is based on a false presupposition. Look up the OT texts.
droptozro 1 month ago
@droptozro Wow! Of course that's where Paul got it. He didn't make it up out of whole cloth. The question now is, what was Paul trying to get across by quoting the OT. I'll take off my Reformed glasses to see how you wiggle out of this one. God is sovereign and you don't like it. That's too bad, but God will have mercy upon whom He will have mercy and you can't change His mind. Your scriptures aren't about babies so they don't count. Hasn't that been your defense?
SkiesVibrant 1 month ago
@droptozro - You're not a parent, are you?
JMcH 1 month ago
@JMcH
Actually I am. Still not an argument either way, children are weak, ill-knowledged, and for the most part untaught(by parents). My little newborn cries because that's ALL SHE KNOWS... she cannot do anything else. She's not selfish, she cannot even help herself. To call that "sinful" is wicked of anyone.. you'd cry to for help if you were limbless and lost your memory, and you wouldn't be called sinful.. but needy! And properly so. Answer the texts.
droptozro 1 month ago
It's cute when they're physically weak, don't have guns, and aren't ruling in positions of power over the impoverished masses.
Take these kids' attitudes, and then conjure up a few images of world dictators you happen to know of. Or even Washington politicians.
The similarity is impeccable.
dougmoerhoffman 1 month ago
I don't know whether I should be laughing or crying right now... haha.
Godzgyrl7 1 month ago
Aren't you comparing the parents cruel intent with the generousity of God? Just a thought.
cyclingjase 1 month ago
awww.... adorable little sinner
ccsniper 1 month ago
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How does freedom of PRIVACY work an OMNISCIENT or OMNIPRESENT god? What a totalitarian belief! It's the wish to be an abject slave to an eternal babysitter, that there be an unalterable, unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime & must subject u to total surveillance around the clock every waking & sleeping minute of ur life-before u're born & worse,after death. A celestial North Korea.Who but an ABJECT SLAVE desires such a ghastly fate?
EntinludeX 1 month ago
@EntinludeX Were is the proof to back up what you say?
Wbeard92 1 month ago
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@Wbeard92 "Were is the proof to back up what you say?"
Oh ye of little faith. And brains.
EntinludeX 1 month ago
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Would you expect this same conscienceless moral bankrupt & pestilential mass murderer God to become a teacher of morals; of gentleness; of meekness; of righteousness; of purity?
What immense sarcasms & giant hypocrisies! The very same god ordered the wholesale massacre of men, babies, & cattle; the destruction of house & city; the kidnapping & banishment of the virgins into a filthy unspeakable slavery...fashoned the Beatitudes of Christ?
Only in the diaries of a madman.
EntinludeX 1 month ago
@EntinludeX Actually you bring up a good point but you totally miss it yourself. God is righteous, and pure therefore those things has to take place. You are making some very wild claims, and therefor I ask. PROVE IT. So far in all the conversations you have been in you have had to prove a single thing. So I ask and will continue to ask. Prove you points from scripture, and not just from one book. I want atleast two. or three verses per thing claim (from the old and new testaments).
Wbeard92 1 month ago
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@Wbeard92 "God is righteous... PROVE IT"
lol. Right because rightousness is having children stoned to death. With stones. lol
EntinludeX 1 month ago
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@Wbeard92 "Prove you points from scripture, and not just from one book. I want atleast two. or three verses per thing claim (from the old and new testaments)."
lol. "Science"
EntinludeX 1 month ago
It not only shows how kids are depraved by nature but how depraved the adults are, roaring with laughter at a child cursing up a storm over a "bad" gift. It depicts everything wrong with the world today ... how the parents live that their child has picked up on that language, and how he has zero discipline because he's allowed to speak that way. He's actually rewarded for that behavior. Mind boggling, disgusting and sad.
FoxxyEmz 1 month ago
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Would you expect this same conscienceless moral bankrupt & pestilential mass murderer God to become a teacher of morals; of gentleness; of meekness; of righteousness; of purity?
What immense sarcasms & giant hypocrisies! The very same god ordered the wholesale massacre of men, babies, & cattle; the destruction of house & city; the kidnapping & banishment of the virgins into a filthy unspeakable slavery...fashoned the Beatitudes of Christ?
Only in the diaries of a madman.
EntinludeX 1 month ago
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How does freedom of PRIVACY work an OMNISCIENT or OMNIPRESENT god? What a totalitarian belief! It's the wish to be an abject slave to an eternal babysitter, that there be an unalterable, unchallengeable, tyrannical authority who can convict you of thought crime & must subject u to total surveillance around the clock every waking & sleeping minute of ur life-before u're born & worse,after death. A celestial North Korea.Who but an ABJECT SLAVE desires such a ghastly fate?
EntinludeX 1 month ago
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Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NLT)
If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: The god of the bible. When life gives you rape, god says make rapeonade
EntinludeX 1 month ago
@EntinludeX You are missing the whole point. That man had taken something from her that was being saved for her future husband (it was her virginity).
Wbeard92 1 month ago
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@Wbeard92 "That man had taken something from her that was being saved for her future husband (it was her virginity)."
So obviously the woman should spend her life with her rapist. Clearly you've got the point.
EntinludeX 1 month ago
@Wbeard92 NO. YOU are missing the point of the woman having to marry her attacker and live constantly remembering that attack.
And **that** is the best idea your god can come up with? I can think of a few better ideas in about 60 seconds! Like telling people she is still a virgin because it was forced upon her and not her fault!
That isn't the teachings of a loving omniscient god, but twisted men.
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WilliamTyndale1 1 month ago
Haha! This was hilarious! You can't teach kids this. This comes naturally for them.
theheat151 1 month ago
How does that prove the false doctrine of "total depravity"?
wisjohns 1 month ago
@wisjohns The kid was cussing and cursing their parents; not to mention the Bible told me so. "Psalms 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me."
MustardSeedish 1 month ago
@MustardSeedish Yes, but that does not prove the doctrine of total depravity, which states that man is unable to choose God. I agree that we are born with a nature to sin, however we can choose to repent and put our faith and trust is Jesus.
wisjohns 1 month ago
@wisjohns Even though I believe what the Bible says about election, I can have fellowship with people like Ravenhill and Westley. The problem is most Christians no longer believe in regeneration and sanctification. The whole reason why Jesus died for us is because we are defiled and depraved. Without this realization, we take a huge part of the Gospel. If you don't like calvinists, fine. Listen to good teachers like Ravenhill who are not calvinists and teach on the doctrine of total depravity.
MustardSeedish 1 month ago
@MustardSeedish I am not a calvinist and I HATE the debate between calvinists and non-calvinists. I will not discuss this here. We do not know each other and what each believes. I am a Bible believing Christian, I preach sin judgement and The Holliness of God, and also the Grace and Mercy of God. I do not however debate man made doctrines like calvinism.
wisjohns 1 month ago
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ur god is primative fictional vengeful, closed minded, malevolent, bigot who is willing to kill men, women, & children simply because they don't agree w/him. That is a dictator myth for ignorant savages. He has no care for feelings, or thoughts. He only cares if we obey.
This is what you offer? Yahweh: a bronzeage war god of blood sacrifice, genocide,& foreksin collecting who's idea of righteous justice is capital punishment for children? Thats the model for merciful forgiveness?
EntinludeX 1 month ago
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Holy shit.
Do Christians really not get how REPUGNANTLY DISGUSTING & PRIMATIVLY BARBARIC the idea of vicarious redemptive SCAPEGOATING BLOOD SACRICFICE to pardon ANY transgressions is?
The best idea an omniscient god who WILLED the universe into existance could come up with for forgiveness was to make a grand spectical of faking his death in the vastly illiterate primative middleeast? Eternal life in exchange for innocent blood?
It's as primative an idea as it is barbaric
EntinludeX 1 month ago
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Would you expect this same conscienceless moral bankrupt & pestilential mass murderer God to become a teacher of morals; of gentleness; of meekness; of righteousness; of purity?
What immense sarcasms & giant hypocrisies! The very same god ordered the wholesale massacre of men, babies, & cattle; the destruction of house & city; the kidnapping & banishment of the virgins into a filthy unspeakable slavery...fashoned the Beatitudes of Christ?
Only in the diaries of a madman.
EntinludeX 1 month ago
God is infinitely just & His ways & thoughts r as high above man as the furthest reaches of space are from the earth, which means there is NO hypothetical situation your finite mind can dream up which He doesn't understand from a trillion.2 different angles-- inside, outside, within, without, transcending, enveloping-- any little notion you have about what a meany He is.
Your attempts to vilify God are the whinings of spoiled adult children who r2 self-righteous&"wise" in their own eyes2repent.
WilliamTyndale1 1 month ago
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@WilliamTyndale1 "God is infinitely just & His ways & thoughts r as high above man as the furthest reaches of space are from the earth, which means there is NO hypothetical situation your finite mind can dream up which He doesn't understand from a trillion...Your attempts to vilify God are the whinings of spoiled adult children who r2 self-righteous&"wise" in their own eyes2repent"
therefore sometimes in the bronzeage you simply must stone unruly children to death with stones. For justice.
EntinludeX 1 month ago
@WilliamTyndale1 Well said mate! Amen to that. /clap
kreator1977 1 month ago
Think Todd might have to get out the chalkboard and enlighten the "enlightened" on the doctrine of total depravity. See a lot of confused folks sounding off.
What it is not: That kids are completely evil scumbags.
What it is: All humans enter this fallen world with a sin nature. There is NOTHING man can do to take away his sin or make himself right before holy and just almighty God. Only the blood of Jesus Christ can do this.
Who alone decides who goes to heaven: Infinitely Just Almighty God
WilliamTyndale1 1 month ago
@WilliamTyndale1 "Who alone decides who goes to heaven: Infinitely Just Almighty God"
Nothing says free will, like an absolute totalitarian dictatorship.
Nom nom no guilty untill proven innocent. Freedom.
EntinludeX 1 month ago
@WilliamTyndale1 "What it is: All humans enter this fallen world with a sin nature. There is NOTHING man can do to take away his sin or make himself right before holy and just almighty God. Only the blood of Jesus Christ can do this."
so humans are made broken & impotent, then commanded upon threat of capital punishment to be well, then only given one viable action of recourse. Then pretend to call that free-will, andn ot what it actually is: EXTORTION.
EntinludeX 1 month ago
@EntinludeX Humans were made perfect IN THE IMAGE AND LIKENESS OF GOD. They chose to sin. By Adam & Eve, sin entered the world. We are born to it, God did not create us this way. And while we are born to it, each of us CHOOSES it, lest we get the victim mentality that God has rigged the game against us. We CHOOSE to deny God, who gave us life and to whom this life we rightly owe. You are judging God by the same standards you use for fallen man. It will always seem skewed 2 you through such lens
WilliamTyndale1 1 month ago