Countdown: Palin Comparison

[jaktigmidblinx]

man is she won ms alaska, alaska must have some BUTT UGLY CHICKS. she probably has regular botox injections done. yumm, poison cheeks.

[mddong]

Yeah I see your pt. too.

Thanks for serving in Iraq. I have to go shopping with my wife.

Have a great weekend,

Matt

[mddong]

Its not that Im anti hunting or disagree with that lifestyle; A VP candidate who revels in the glorification of killing the animal and is anti-choice is hypocritical.

[zack9912000]

Well I see and understand your point, but someone make take joy in hunting but there is no joy in having to kill an unborn child. We where shown a video in school along time ago of it being done and its the most brutal thing I have seen besides my time in Iraq. With a hunter they put a animal down in one to two shots but in abortions that take a metal hanger and basically a shop vac and suck up the parts. I rather see a child be born and given away and give a chances at life then be killed off.

[pector55]

It is not. Human life is valuable. Hunting animals is not cruel. Left alone, they would die on their own of starvation or over population because there are not enough natual predators.

[AgentEli]

So.. Going out into the woods with a high-powered rifle and blowing some innocent animals head off is okay? But, say, a woman is working two jobs to pay for the one kid she already has, one night she's brutally raped by some drugged-up bum, a couple months later she finds out she's pregnant and she NEEDS an abortion, that's not okay?

I think abortion should be legal, but only used as a last resort (IE the above reason).

[Meekseek]

I think it should be known of your business, don't want an abortion

Don't have one keep your religion out of mine and other woman's wombs

[mddong]

Moreover Zack, you stated:

"But you are still trying to portray a human child in the same light as a wild animal."

and then say

"The flea or the moose... the mouse or the rabbit...they are all equally a part of the big picture.If you would kill one,you would kill any of them. As humans, you & I are just a couple more creatures on this earth....they make us no different in the real natural world than any other animal." Total contradiction. Just trying to help you polish your argument.

[zack9912000]

It was a discussion about hunting in general but I guess you got lost in there as well. You were compareing anything hunting to that of a unborn child because you don't agree with that lifestyle. So you are trying to find anything that would make her seem hypocritical. Hunting and a unborn child are two different things, but everything in this world is a creature and that anyone can will will kill. Trying to stretch a hunter killing for food to a unborn child being killed is insane.

[mddong]

"to advocating drilling for oil in the Alaska National Wildlife Reserve, to flirting with Alaska voting to secede from the Union, to proclaiming our troops in Iraq are on a mission from God."

Miles Moglescu, Huffington Post

[zack9912000]

let me correct you on this like every one else.

According to real life, Sarah Palin said this about the troops while at church (with the AP's selective quoting underlined):

"Pray for our military men and women who are striving to do what is right. Also, for this country, that our leaders,[ our national leaders, are sending them out on a task that is from God,"]

The AP quote means "Iraq is a mission from God."

[mddong]

"to advocating the teaching of creationism in the public schools, to opposing abortion even in the case of rape and incest, to preventing teenagers from learning about contraception in school"

[zack9912000]

So its a schools job to teach our kids about contraception? SO evolution is forced down on our kids everywhere and no one bitches so why they all so be allowed to teach creationism?

[mddong]

The First Amendment prohibits Congress from passing any laws that show favor to any particular religion which, in effect, is a

fairly total separation of church and state.

[mddong]

If Congress were to pass a law demanding that the Christian version of creationism be taught, even in literature classes in public schools which are supported by the taxes of all Americans,

[mddong]

it would directly violate the

constitutional rights of Hindus, Moslems, Buddhist, and scores of other religions that flourish across the country, many of which have their own stories of creation. Therefore, even with a suitable area of

curriculum in which to teach creationism, it still is in violation of the Constitution.

[zack9912000]

Then so should evolution, considering people believe in it the same way those who believe in creationism. They are both can be considered a theory one is based off a man idea of which later he recanted later and the other is based on the Bible.

[zack9912000]

So those who do believe in that are basic told to deal with it and be forced to hear evolution shoved in their face. As in my other post It would be better to remove both and put the responsibility back on the parent like it should be.

[zack9912000]

So then my kid is forced to hear the bs about evolution...this is consider a personally believe among many people so in turn it should not be taught at all as well. I would be happier if neither was taught in school and left up to the parent where it belongs. That would fix this whole debate/

[mddong]

That not going to happen. Ideally maybe but its not realistic. School is for learning so there has to be a way to somehow do it. Its not perfect but maybe scientific viewpts can be explored in schools; creationist viewpts could be taught at church, and the kids will have to decide for themselves.

But that's not going to fly with religous right wingers, evangelicals, ultra conservatives.

[zack9912000]

No and neither will evolution being removed will not make the other side happy. Since both can be considered a theory because none have any real scientific proof then they both should be removed. Just because a person says it is true does not make it so. Many can all so see that evolution can been seen as another believe so in turn does not belong in schools.

[mddong]

"Sarah Palin is the most extremist major party candidate since Barry Goldwater, aligned with the most far right wing elements in American politics on issues ranging from denying that human activity has helped bring about global warming, to seeking to block protection of endangered species"

[zack9912000]

You can say that she is the a extremist from the right but I can say the very same thing bout Obama is is more of a socialist them a American. But what is true about her is that she is consider a true conservative, while obama would not in fall into being a Democratic because of his socialist policys.

[pector55]

Muchas spin Mddong. He extremist views which would affect America is her lack of selfishness and ability to not require a lavish lifestyle. Compare her house to that of Obama's. She basically represents middle class America much better.

[AgentEli]

I tried to read your comment, pector55, but it's pretty incomprehensible. You're saying she is somehow more qualified because she represents middle class better? Obama grew up with a single mother and food stamps. That's LOWER class.

[zack9912000]

Palin served two terms on the Wasilla, Alaska city council from 1992 to 1996, then won two terms as mayor of Wasilla from 1996 to 2002.

she chaired the Alaska Oil and Gas Conservation Commission from 2003 to 2004 while also serving as Ethics Supervisor of the commission.

In November 2006, Palin was elected the governor of Alaska, becoming the first woman and youngest person to hold the office.

[zack9912000]

slow your roll for one second, "red neck hockey mom" has way more experience then Obama hands down. He has served 18 months max in the senate and you can not count the months where he started to campaign for president. He flip flop on every subject and has no voting record,he has lied time and time again and has been caught lie over and over again. As for Palin,remember Obamas actual time in office when i read off her actual dates in office.

[mddong]

I wouldnt want someone like that as an executive for the whole country...especially on a world/global stage presenting images like that to the country AND the world.

Its not just hunting; many of the other things she brings to the table and represents.

BTW, you gathered that from our notes that I am an extremist, which is not true because you dont really know me. If you want a snapshot of an extremist, just look at the republican VP candidate.

[zack9912000]

She defeated incumbent Republican governor Frank Murkowski in the Republican primary and former Democratic governor Tony Knowles in the general election. SHE HAS WAY MORE ACTUAL EXPERIENCE AND REAL VOTING RECORD THAT SHOWS. SHE DOES NOT FLIP FLOP LIKE OBAMA. More people can relate to her then any other candidate and she truly is for changed and has made major changes in Alaska. I have you yet to state any actual facts that make her a bad choice.

[805drifter]

In my opinion...the Republican's made a good move picking Palin. Some say it was to grab the Hillary votes but it's not. It's because we don't relate to McCain. I don't. But..I do relate to Palin (Hunter, School Teacher, big family, reformer, etc.). If she was running for Prezo i'd vote for her...but just about everything she say's she has done..is a lie. These lies are coming out and people are pissed. The RNC was a freaking Joke. Neo Con's are a joke. Repub's for Ron Paul are real Repub's.

[mddong]

The butcher doesnt advertise the slaughter.

As for the very last point you made, that opens up the whole pro-choice/pro-life debate. Say, your'e alright zack. Different strokes for different folks.

[zack9912000]

So because she is a proud hunter and she takes photos of her self doing so make her a bad person. Don't you take pride in your work that you do and advertise what you do to try and get your point across?

[zack9912000]

Are you animal, or are you not?

This is the problem with the fantasy in which you, the anti-hunter, live. It's an arbitrary construct that has no basis in the reality of nature. You do not have the right to pick and choose. If it is wrong for me to hunt and kill, then it is equally wrong for the lion, the wolf, or the falcon.

[zack9912000]

This is considered a discussion and not a out right attack like people do on here. Big difference in the fact a person running their mouth vs two people have a heated discussion. You thinking comes off how your so righteous that you don't hunt and everyone else is the devil who don't think like you do. People who actual use commonsense don't dislike a person just because they do not like a certain sport. I do not care for your extremist views but yet you don't see me marking you because of it.

[mddong]

PALIN THE POLAR BEAR KILLER....Pro Life? Bullshit. More like anti-life with pictures and videos of her shooting rifles and posing with fresh moose kill. Hunting is OK if thats your thing, just dont flaunt it. PALIN = ANTI LIFE actually!

[zack9912000]

Your a complete idiot. Your trying to compare the debate of a unborn human child to people that like to hunt WILD animals. You say hunting is ok but yet your bad mouthing her for what shes loves to do and say not to flaunt her believes. I don't see how she is flaunting, shes a proud mother who loves the sport but I can say the same to all the other Animal rights nut bags we have in this county that shove your idealistic Bull shit in our faces and your not flaunting it. give me a fucking break.

[mddong]

Yeah give me a fuckin break from yourself idiot. Check out the pics of her posing next to the bloody moose. If someone like that views life as sacred enough to be all pro life, then why take pics of fresh kill? Life is sacred, so that strikes me as hypocritical. I know people who like to hunt too. Get a life and know what you stand for. And like zack9912000, arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics. Youre truly retarded and eat your own bullshit.

[zack9912000]

For one its hunting what are you expecting to see. yes Life is sacred but you have to be able to survive for it be still sacred. So your going to down play a person just because they like to hunt and you don't. Your the one who is being hypocritical, you go to the grocery store and buy your meats from a butcher, so just because you don't hunt it makes it ok. But you are still trying to portray a human child in the same light as a wild animal.

[zack9912000]

For me, the sanctity of life is not restricted to the magnificent and beautiful, or the cuddly and cute. Every life is equally precious, even the hideous and horrifying. The smallest as well as the giant is important. And I recognize that, as another animal, I take my place somewhere in the midst of this organization. For me to live, many living things must die. And when I die, I will nourish many living things.

[zack9912000]

If I am wrong for taking careful aim at a single boar, then you are equally wrong for the millions of insects that die on the windshield of your car... more wrong, for the fact that you either don't realize or don't care that it's happening. And wrong again, if you judge those living things to be lesser than the boar, the elk, or the deer that a hunter will harvest. You are most wrong, if you judge yourself to be higher than any of these.

[zack9912000]

Either all life is sacred or it is not. There is no dividing line. No list of sacred & profane when it comes to life.The flea or the moose... the mouse or the rabbit... they are all equally a part of the big picture.If you would kill one, you would kill any of them. As humans, you & I are just a couple more creatures on this earth.Our imagination,our sense of "reason", our "intelligence"... they make us no different in the real natural world than any other animal.

[zack9912000]

This mother fucker makes untrue statements and I do not know where he gets his facts but he is a complete tool

[InuvikPhil]

Olbermann, your tone is getting too sarcastic.

So what if her son's name is Track? Come on, stick to the issues.

[zack9912000]

Keith is a complete ass hole and needs to be killed off.

[805drifter]

then go get you some...quit your bitchin and continue taking the blue pill.

[zack9912000]

Arguing on the internet is like running in the Special Olympics. even if you with your still fucking retarded for do so. At least the kids are doing something noble, but your just another dick trying to pick a fight. Grow the fuck up

[805drifter]

What kids are you referring to? I'm not trying to pick a fight..that's not me. I was just commenting on what you said..."He needs to be killed off" Is that because he actually questions our Government Officials (both Dem and Republican)?

[zack9912000]

He has been caught lie and bending facts on both sides. He never does any research of his own and everything he has said in the past has been proven to be twisting the facts.

[crazyforvideosdx]

How hypocrite Keith is. They don't talk about her achievements at all. I WANT TO HEAR BOTH SIDES YOU BITCH ASS WHORES. TALK ABOUT HER ACHIEVEMENTS, YOU ONE SIDED BALL SUCKER LIBERAL.

[805drifter]

how does it feel?? ya. it sucks. They did the same for Ron Paul. If you want real news...watch CSPAN.

[Mm21816]

By Juliet Eilperin

Washington Post Staff Writer

Thursday, May 15, 2008; Page A01

Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne listed polar bears as "threatened" under the Endangered Species Act yesterday, saying the loss of Arctic sea ice in a warming climate could drive them to the brink of extinction in less than four decades.

Both "threatened" and "endangered" species are "on the List".

[joharmon86]

Remember she was elected in December of 2006 (so it's technically LESS THAN 2 YEARS experience)

[perpindicularity]

Olbermann cannot get basic facts correct (it is DOWN SYNDROME; polar bears are not on the endangered species list). Obama voted with his party 97% of the time. His party dominates Congress which has a 15% approval rating. That is not real change - it is Kerry, Pelosi, and Reid. It is susbsituting one set of partisan politics for another. We cannot take a 3% chance for change.

[805drifter]

haha 3% change? Bush hasn't veto'd one thing that the democratic congress sent him. They're all the same...taking away our rights and ruining the constitution. Get used to it. Regardless of who wins,, nothing will change. McCain and Obama...more of the same. More wasteful spending and stupid programs that increase the power of the Federal Govn't.

[perpindicularity]

Bush did veto the Congress's waterboarding ban bill back in March. Not sure if there are others. I trust McCain to choose judges who will more readily preserve our Constitution than Obama.

[blabhammer]

Damn, it's like mcsenile doesn't know about the internet, (oh right, he doesn't) and that all this info is out there and readily available with just a few clicks.

[onewhosays]

Poor Bathtub Boy. All he wanted to do was come in and violently masturbate about the speech for the full hour but instead had to go on damage control. There goes a $5 Viagra pill down the shitter.

[e11aivon]

her experience doesnt touch obamas and obama has more people at his speeches than she had in her town she was the mayor of. And she said she was "anti-corruption"? Umm i would hope so! Hi Im Barack Obama and im anti rape. dumbass

[nutsbutdum]

"obama has more people at his speeches than she had in her town she was the mayor of"

...that quote made me spit Coke out of my nose:)

[jtartsy]

LMFAO

[jtartsy]

LOL.. I guess if you don't say your anti-corruption then you must be pro-corruption

[chukmaty]

Irony is beautiful as her experiance exceeds Obama's.

[press1500]

your right!!!

I don't think Obama was ever in the PTA... does being a law professor count?

[washmytoes]

lol

[jtartsy]

lol..No that doesn't count. Guess that point goes to Ms Palin. She also has experience as a soccer mom. Dam sounds like Obama might be in trouble now.

[roastbeefdinner]

keith olbermann is a total Douchebag!!!

[wilcox24]

"Down's Syndrome"? It's Down Syndrome, Keith.

[batosia95136]

You sir are an idiot. "Down syndrome or trisomy 21 (or Down's syndrome in British English[1] and WHO ICD)" From wikipedia. I guess Olbermann should apologize for using English instead of American.

[wilcox24]

you just proved who's the idiot; Olbermann isn't British--nor is he on British TV

[batosia95136]

Are you saying that one has to be British to use proper English? It's people like you who make Americans look stupid.

[wilcox24]

It's people like you who make Americans looks obnoxious and retarded. If an American started using British slang, he'd look ridiculous--so stop trying to sound high-class when you're just a tool.

[96cambridge]

why not her? Obama appears to be all mouth. McCain has served his country

[saully1966]

a noun, a verb, and POW!

[jtartsy]

Jus cuz he served his country doesn't mean he's ready to be president. I want you to meditate on the FACT that he voted with Our Current presidential Failure 90% OF THE TIME. This is an Amazing,& frightening Fact. Then demonstrates his excellent judgment by choosing a VP whom he had only met and spoken with once prior to his decision. Thats one hell of a first impression. Seriously McCain is 72. this guy could very well croak. She could be in the position to be leader of the free world. Nah man

[driubi]

she's also a creationist. Which is also embarrassing. This also may send some of the secularists who were on the fence running towards obama/biden who both have stated their belief in evolution as a fact - and obama has opposed the teaching of intelligent design in schools.

[nycityzen]

maddow!

[Plutonwolf]

She strikes me as a proto-typical snarky RepugnantCON stepford wife.