Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said, "A thousand years before creating the heavens and the Earth, Allah RECITED Ta-Ha and Ya-Sin, and when the angels HEARD the recitation they said, 'Happy are the people to whom this comes down, happy are the minds which carry this, and happy are the tongues which utter this." Darimi transmitted it (Tirmidhi Hadith, 660- ALIM CD-ROM Version)
How time was measured before creation and was this happened exactly 1000 years before?
The Quran has special miracles compared to others.
It can make one Invisible to be seen by others, by Surah Yaasin, only when God permits it. Ayatul Kursi, Quran, can stop evil spirits. Other versus in Quran can move the clowds in the sky to rain at different place, can stop the animals from moving. This is the gift from God for those who believe in the Quran. It has happened so many times & this conforms to the proof if it to be the 'Word of God' .
For a pagan minded person God is a joke but anything other than God is his faith because it doesn't require intelligence and logic. If you kow your own book that when a woman who was suffering from leprosy touched Jesus and instantly cured; Jesus said woman you are cured because of your faith. If this is good for you why is it not good for me.
Well, it doesn't say you have to be a perfect Muslim for the dates to work but that's my opinion. Your suggestion is like you buy the medicine and then burn your hand, thinking that your can heal the wound because you have medicine in your possession. It is the most stupid and asinine idea.
Well the Sahis Buhary and other five books are considered Sahih but there are weak and strong Hadith too. But I am not an expert on hadith to endorse it as a strong or a weak but there are herbs and fruits that can cure people's illness and protect them from harm if the continue to have them and you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand this fact but the disease the Jews and Christians have cannot be cured by any herbs or fruits because the sickness is in their hearts
We Muslims don't or will not try to drink poison after eating Ajwa or any other things because we hare not perfect Muslims we are thriving Muslims. So his advice also to practicing Muslims not label Muslims. What you need is wisdom not just taking things for granted. It is Haram to commit suicide in Islam, so you need to know Islam to realize the true sense of the verses or Hadith.
Can you quote the real Hadith with reference, so that I can check that and then give your reply. Why not you eat and then have poison prove it Muhammad (S) Is a false prophet. According to your Bible if you drink poison in the name of Jesus you would not die but so far no Christian ever came to prove it. You can take that challenge and prove it. According to Islamic teaching anything you eat and drink can be poison if you do not eat or drink in the name of God. Is it literal?
But nobody claimed they died or affected by the black magic of the Jews or the Christian after eating the dates. Everyone who could hand on it will eat them and they will be protected by God because it has the blessing and properties that can protect people from poison. So how are you going to p[rove that it is false? If you eat them and drink poison you will die because you not protected by God but by the devil.
You may need a brain change because yours is smaller then that of tiny bird. Ajwa may have certain properties that can protect you from getting poison and for protection we have different Duas. One of his female enemies poisoned him and he was saved by the Angel and at that you have no proof to say he really had those dates and even if he had dates at that time it is no medicine for purposely people intending to poison him r anyone. Anyway idiots like you understands nothing.
Want a circular argument ? it is written in the Holy book which is from God,so it must be true. Science has proved this wrong. Science is wrong because God's word cannot be wrong. Who says the Holy book is from God? We say so. No wonder they are blowing themselves up - its called culling. No sane person would blow themself up....unless of course...
One would think that a blind man would appreciate a seeing guide, but surprisingly those who stumble are often content with this mode of transportation. Let them stumble. Why should we let them go to Hell any faster than they are already travelling? Peace through Jesus!
I don't understand where the Christ worshipers get these ridiculous ideas. Muslims never claim that there is any scientific miracle of Hadith. What we are saying is we have devised a scientific method to verify Hadith of it's authenticity and soundness. It is a pity that each Christ worshiper is competing with each other to produce videos to defame the Message and his mission but the pagans are being pushed to defend because they can't go on an intellectual offensive. Try another video you ass.
Well again you put your foot into your mouth. The source can be considered authentic yet the chain of narration is weak. You are an imbecile and you cannot argue on Hadith because those Hadith were collected some two hundred years after the demise of the Messenger and you need a wast knowledge of the time, place people, tribes and so on to say this is a very strong Hadith.Please don't waste my time. I know something about Hadith.
Whether they are weak or strong, yet they are authentic. The real imbeciles are the ones who wrote these ahadith ánd the ones who declared them authentic: the muhammadans.
Whether they are weak or strong, yet they are authentic.
You are wrong they are supposed to be authentic, depends on the scientific method used to identify it but when it comes to Bible there is nothing but pure crap, distorted and twisted to suit the Jewish agenda. I want you to prove the Bible is from God and Jesus really lived and he is God. Try it, intellectually
Well, there were fabricated hadith, weak hadith, sound hadith, very strong hadith and the standard goes on and if you are a truth seeker, you will look for authenticity and strong hadith to support your argument and if you are hater you would quote any weak or fabricated or not so strong hadith. You can't simply quote hadith that's not Islamic. You can quote the Bible because you don't need authenticity, all you need is just to believe blindly.
Scientific method of hadith is just another words to reject the embarssing account of Muhammad life action or stupid miracle like spliting the moon into.
"Moderate" Muslims doing this in trying to introduce a sugarcoated Islam.
Christians worship the living God.
But Muslims worship a God who never reveal himself to Muhammad his beloved messenger nor can he save/ heal Muhammad from ailment due to eating poison meat.
Yeah Jesus could give life to dead and cure the sick and those action are miracle but If Muhammad split the moon is always impossible to accept. Man becoming God and God becoming man is not impossible for a Christian pagan but anybody else claim any of it cannot be trusted. Why would anyone trust Jesus?
Even Jesus couldn't be saved from death because he was a false god or a prophet.
Hajj is Islamic and all the Islamic rituals are in the Bible as well but Christin choose pagan rituals instead of worshiping God the way all the Prophet worshiped.
Are these pagan?
Genesis 17:3 Abram fell facedown, and God said to him,
Thank you voiceofreasoning, we know the bible is full of shit too. That is why we in the west live in secular societies. If we treated the Bible as if it was the word of God our society would look a bit like Saudi Arabia. This view that a book written in the 7th century can possibly be the word of God has led muslims to justify sex between a 54 year old man and a 9 year old girl. Both the Quran and the Bible contain primitive and outdated morality.
You are right the Bible is full of shit but the Qur'an is the word of God if you trying to compare everything what the Qur'an says and the Bible says. Of course you love your Secular life style because you are just consumer, producer society and there is no value even though you believe their is something call Western value that is freedom of speech and so on and so forth. Marriage between 54 yer old man and 9 year old virgin has nothing to do with mortality or anything else. Go to history. cont
Sex between a 54 year old man and a 9 year old girl is immoral and criminal and yet you seek guidance from a book that trys to justify such a vile act. Slavery is immoral and yet your book supports this too. Applying the Quran or the Bible as if it is the word of God has clearly corrupted you.
Tin head, you are as ignorant as your forefathers, your Western forefathers screwed 3 year old gils to onward, they stopped it only when European common law came into effect just a 100 years ago still each country differs the age of consensus. In those days it was not a problem that was their culture to build bond by marrying their daughters to relations and famous people and that is the reason they marry more than one and girls get marry as they attain puberty. continues
You see what I mean. Because of your religion you are still trying to justify sex between a 54 year old man and a 9 year old girl. Religion has led you to attempting to justify and appalling crime against a child. If you are now selective about what you take from the Quran you become amoral.
You are out of mind to compare Islamic culture with other cultures like Western naked culture. In Islamic culture the marriage is always considered bond between two families and more but in the West it is only sex and nothing but sex. If a girl has attained puberty she is eligible for marriage because Muslim families have so many children and they get them married as fast as possible. Lady Aisha was engaged to someone else at the time the engagement was broken later.
In fact, the life style of the Western world apart from modern way of life of fast cars, jets, computers cellular phones and so many other high tech; you are still the primitive people who engage in fornication, adultery, homosexuality, incest, alcoholism, gambling and other evils. If you read the books like Bible or Qur'an or any other revealed scriptures certainly you will find these way of life was rejected by your forefathers after practicing all kinds of evil. Peace
If you are ignorant there is nothing can correct your belief. If you read the Christian Bible you find that what you consider today as moral and consensual was in fact immopral and evil so Moses ordered to kill those who engaged in those evil activities and about 600 years later Muhammad (S) came the people were practicing what is forbidden so he had to reimpose the laws to protect the honor of women, men and children. Toddy you claim what they considered evil as Western value.
What is immoral to day is moral in those days, for instance if you are homosexual r a lesbian or a prostitute or a adulterer or worshiped any other gods beside the God of Israel you would be killed like a dog, that's because the act of doing these things were considered evil. So the laws of God never change but mentally retarded people like you change and promote evil as good and good as evil but we Muslims will always oppose evil as it is evil whatever your argument is because you are pagans.
Qur'an never sanctioned slavery at that time of the prophet. Qur'an tells people to free slaves because it is a kind of Islamic virtue or some kind of obedience to God's commandments. Each of the companions of the prophet freed hundreds of thousands of slaves. Before Islam the Pagans, Jews and Christians practiced slavery and Islam stage by stage abolished it by various methods, if you read the history of Islam you could find that but the internet sites of the Christian you find distorted ones.
You're quite wrong. The Sharia regulates how slaves should be owned. The Quran recommends that muslims should not be enslaved but is fine about the enslavement of non muslims. Slavery is even accepted by Wahabiism. The great palaces of Marrakech were built by European slaves. Christianity is similar because like islam it espouses an outdated morality that belongs in the past
Sharia is for all time, nit 's not confined to time or place. In those days it was a practice for people own slaves the Western world is the biggest slave owners and they had no respect for the slaves they owned them as they own domestic animals but in Islam it is apolitical system. So everything must be in clear writing. If there is war between Kufr and Islam then again these things can happen, the world may go back to primitive age. In Islam everything is instructed clearly.
What morality the Atheist need to follow? Can you explain why and Atheist need to talk about morality and accountability. You can choose whatever suits you at the time of your situation and condition. I don't think an Atheist need any morality and fi you are talking about morality then it is already in religions. What should you do with a rapist or murderer or thief? Which is better bullet or sward? what's the difference?
Slavery is immoral in this I am influenced by the life and word of William Wilberforce and the ideals of the French revolution. My morality is influenced by centuries of philosopers. I also have a conscience that informs me that it is wrong to harm my fellow man. You slavishly follow an outdated text that tells you it's wrong to eat pork but owning another human being is fine and have sex with a child is ok too. You seem to have no conscience and are therefore amoral.
padraigomairtin Well if you have a conscience that informs you that conscience is a gift of god and when you are left with no choice, you need the moral teaching of God to conduct your life. Problem with most of the people is that they deny God even though they know there is something tells them that, what is right and wrong but that SOMETHING cannot tell you everything what is moral or what is immoral. You understand that you should not harm your fellow men but there are millions harm them.
Slavery has nothing to do with morality, it is something like a trade and necessary evil at one time. If you don't want to practice slavery then nobody forces you but remember still some part of the world slavery is practiced in various forms and shapes and you cannot completely irradiate it. Cheap and forced labor is a kind of slavery. Slavery is there in various forms, you are slave to somebody's philosophy. So this is nature, Qur'an is very clear as to how you treat your laves or prisoners.
To enslave another human being is highly immoral. The fact that the Quran permits muslims to own slaves shows that it is a product of the time it was written and is outdated. You need more modern sources to inform your conscience such as the philosopers of the Enlightenment otherwise you would think that slavery was acceptable and stoning and amputations are acceptable forms of punishment.
if you are so concern about slavery stop voting for your leaders, they are the ones invade, occupy and oppress people in order to steal their wealth.
The Western world is practicing slavery in a different ways by teaching new things to people and they are becoming zombies. In the name of freedom and democracy they have become slave to materialism. In order to live a better life millions of women in the Western world have become prostitutes, call girls, single mothers and so on.
What country do you think the Republic of Ireland invaded??? I don't think we are becoming zombies. A zombie would mindlessly adhere to the Quran when it is evidently out of date in its teachings in many respects. I find it appalling that you equate prostitutes with single mothers. And just because western woman are not sexually repressed as in the Arab world that does not make them prostitutes.
You have not invaded but you were engaged in terrorism I mean Christian terrorism. If you can tell me what is out dated in the Qur'an I can show you that you are out dated primitive creature. If women are not sexually repressed why are they called single mothers and their children love child. Who in your definition is a prostitute?
Certain people in Ireland have indeed engaged in terrorism but I don't know what you mean by "christian terrorism"... The Quran is out-dated because it does not ban and actually regulates slavery. Slavery is now rightly considered an abomination therefore the Quran is outdated. The Quran and Sharia are not compatible with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.... A prostitute sells sex for money; this has nothing to do with being a single mother.
When the Muslims fight they are Muslim terrorists and others are certain people. Who are those terrorists? BTW when you finish reading the Qur'an let me know for the answers that you are looking for.Perhaps you may not even asking me any question because Qur'an speaks for itself. In fact the Universal declaration of Human Right is not compatible with Sharia and it's not the other way around. You can shove it up your ass and we don't give a damn about what the Jews and Christian say.
You don't give a damn about the Universal Declaration of Human Rights! Isn't it strange that your religion requires you to reject human rights? You said before we all have a God-given conscience. Has your religion switched yours off? You reject the values of the Declaration not because they are not good values but because they are incompatable with the Sharia. From what you say, Islam must be a very impoverished and impovorishing religion in that it is anchored to the past and cannot evolve.
The Zionist and Neoconcon's concept of Universal Declaration of Human Right and Islamic concept of Human Right are two different things. But anyway there are inalienable rights Islam defined them in the Qur'an. So if you have anything that Islam denies let me know. Well, we will reject anything even an atom weight of it, if that doesn't comply with Sharia. We don't need any BS Zionist craps.
I have a few questions for you. First, which articles in the text of the Declaration (googl it for text) are Zionist and neo-conservative? Second, which articles do you find objectionable? Third, if it is Zionist and neo-conservative why did Saudi Arabia not vote against it when it was adopted by the United Nations General Assembly in 1948?
I am not sure why Saudi Arabia did not vote against it but I think it is Saudi Arabia which fought with Ottoman Empire and the it is the Western world that helped them to defeat Ottoman. I believe it is pure selfish and politics. No organization is free of Zionist manipulation. The Zionists are above the law because these criminals are protected and supported by the US and Europe. It is true Muslims are weak because Muslim leaders have close relationship with the West.
You still do not answer my question so I shall repeat it. Which articles in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights make it Zionist and which articles to you object to?
Thje truth is that Zionism was considered racism and the United States of America and other countries support Israel wanted the United Nation to repeal it a couple years back and they had to do it on pressure. So this is the truth; Zionism is not only considered racism but also curse of God Almighty to the world because the Zionists are engaged in usury, disinformation and other evil practices of illegal and deceitful dealings. Wall Street is an example of the Zionist greed.
Martin Luther King described himself as a Zionist - was he a racist? I note you still refuse to answer my question about the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. I assume this is because you cannot answer it and all you are capable of is spouting the usual anti-semitic drivel. Your version of Islam disgusts me because it espouses values that belong in the middle ages and is thus inherently backward. You reject human rights in favour of a slavish adherence to your outdated religious values.
Martin Luther King can say or do anything he wants but that not make the Zionists become good human beings.
To answer there must be a question. If the Question deals with issue then I can answer. If you ask me that which part of Universal Declaration of Human Right do I reject, I reject everything that gos against the human right in Islam.BTW the Zionists are not Semites.
Anit-semitic in the English language means having an irrational hatred of the Jews. It is entirely irrelevant whether they are technically semites or not. Becaue the Quran was written in the 7th centure it is hopelessly out of date there slavery is permitted as are cruel punishments in breach of Article 4 and 5. Don't you think if your religion allows slavery, amputation and stoning it might need a bit of updating?
@wajidmajid
So you are saying that Allah could be carried/lifted by angels and could be moved around...
Where would Allah go if there is no heavens and earth? any ideas?
truthofjesus4all 3 months ago
@wajidmajid
Can you please quote Quran to support your views?
Was throne bigger than Allah's the thing on which Allah seats?
I suggest that you to discuss this with your imam about "throne" of Allah. I don't want to teach you basics of islam.
And kindly tell me which sect of Islam you belong to? which school of thought?
I am asking u this so that I can understand you better.
Peace
truthofjesus4all 3 months ago
@wajidmajid
Salam Brother...
If u carefully read the quoted hadith you will read "A thousand years BEFORE creating the heavens and the Earth..."
So time EXISTED before creation of heavens.
This hadith also raises questions:
1. Allah recited ta-ha and ya-sin... why allah needed to recite?
2. angels were created BEFORE heavenS. so where did they live? were they homeless?
truthofjesus4all 3 months ago
Narrated AbuHurayrah
Allah's Messenger (peace be upon him) said, "A thousand years before creating the heavens and the Earth, Allah RECITED Ta-Ha and Ya-Sin, and when the angels HEARD the recitation they said, 'Happy are the people to whom this comes down, happy are the minds which carry this, and happy are the tongues which utter this." Darimi transmitted it (Tirmidhi Hadith, 660- ALIM CD-ROM Version)
How time was measured before creation and was this happened exactly 1000 years before?
truthofjesus4all 1 year ago
Bla Bla Bla......
The Quran has special miracles compared to others.
It can make one Invisible to be seen by others, by Surah Yaasin, only when God permits it. Ayatul Kursi, Quran, can stop evil spirits. Other versus in Quran can move the clowds in the sky to rain at different place, can stop the animals from moving. This is the gift from God for those who believe in the Quran. It has happened so many times & this conforms to the proof if it to be the 'Word of God' .
kojekish 2 years ago
RammatRamzi
For a pagan minded person God is a joke but anything other than God is his faith because it doesn't require intelligence and logic. If you kow your own book that when a woman who was suffering from leprosy touched Jesus and instantly cured; Jesus said woman you are cured because of your faith. If this is good for you why is it not good for me.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
RammatRamzi
It sounds like love thy neighbor but failed to mention who the real neighbors are and other details.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
RammatRamzi
Well, it doesn't say you have to be a perfect Muslim for the dates to work but that's my opinion. Your suggestion is like you buy the medicine and then burn your hand, thinking that your can heal the wound because you have medicine in your possession. It is the most stupid and asinine idea.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
RammatRamzi
Well the Sahis Buhary and other five books are considered Sahih but there are weak and strong Hadith too. But I am not an expert on hadith to endorse it as a strong or a weak but there are herbs and fruits that can cure people's illness and protect them from harm if the continue to have them and you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand this fact but the disease the Jews and Christians have cannot be cured by any herbs or fruits because the sickness is in their hearts
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
RammatRamzi
We Muslims don't or will not try to drink poison after eating Ajwa or any other things because we hare not perfect Muslims we are thriving Muslims. So his advice also to practicing Muslims not label Muslims. What you need is wisdom not just taking things for granted. It is Haram to commit suicide in Islam, so you need to know Islam to realize the true sense of the verses or Hadith.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
RammatRamzi
Can you quote the real Hadith with reference, so that I can check that and then give your reply. Why not you eat and then have poison prove it Muhammad (S) Is a false prophet. According to your Bible if you drink poison in the name of Jesus you would not die but so far no Christian ever came to prove it. You can take that challenge and prove it. According to Islamic teaching anything you eat and drink can be poison if you do not eat or drink in the name of God. Is it literal?
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
voice, reading Muhammad's Quran equals the drinking of poison. We as Christians can read it and yet remain unaffected by its poison.
Expeldarkness 2 years ago
Expeldarkness
Yeah, you are right reading Bible is committing suicide because it is a words and opinions of people but you wrongly believe it as the word of God.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
RammathRamzi
But nobody claimed they died or affected by the black magic of the Jews or the Christian after eating the dates. Everyone who could hand on it will eat them and they will be protected by God because it has the blessing and properties that can protect people from poison. So how are you going to p[rove that it is false? If you eat them and drink poison you will die because you not protected by God but by the devil.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
RammatRamzi
You may need a brain change because yours is smaller then that of tiny bird. Ajwa may have certain properties that can protect you from getting poison and for protection we have different Duas. One of his female enemies poisoned him and he was saved by the Angel and at that you have no proof to say he really had those dates and even if he had dates at that time it is no medicine for purposely people intending to poison him r anyone. Anyway idiots like you understands nothing.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
Want a circular argument ? it is written in the Holy book which is from God,so it must be true. Science has proved this wrong. Science is wrong because God's word cannot be wrong. Who says the Holy book is from God? We say so. No wonder they are blowing themselves up - its called culling. No sane person would blow themself up....unless of course...
MegaFraudbuster 2 years ago
Thoughtful , provocative, timely, & revealing!
One would think that a blind man would appreciate a seeing guide, but surprisingly those who stumble are often content with this mode of transportation. Let them stumble. Why should we let them go to Hell any faster than they are already travelling? Peace through Jesus!
johndeweb 2 years ago
islam is the lolz
OohTheHorror 2 years ago
I don't understand where the Christ worshipers get these ridiculous ideas. Muslims never claim that there is any scientific miracle of Hadith. What we are saying is we have devised a scientific method to verify Hadith of it's authenticity and soundness. It is a pity that each Christ worshiper is competing with each other to produce videos to defame the Message and his mission but the pagans are being pushed to defend because they can't go on an intellectual offensive. Try another video you ass.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
Do you know what 'sahih' means?
Expeldarkness 2 years ago
Expeldarkness
Do you know what 'sahih' means?
Of course I do but they are Sahiah yet there are different categories, such as strong and weak because various other factors.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
Sahih is Arabic for authentic and it is used to describes a Hadith as being genuine and credibile.
Expeldarkness 2 years ago
Expeldarkness
Sahih is Arabic for authentic and it is used to
Well again you put your foot into your mouth. The source can be considered authentic yet the chain of narration is weak. You are an imbecile and you cannot argue on Hadith because those Hadith were collected some two hundred years after the demise of the Messenger and you need a wast knowledge of the time, place people, tribes and so on to say this is a very strong Hadith.Please don't waste my time. I know something about Hadith.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
Whether they are weak or strong, yet they are authentic. The real imbeciles are the ones who wrote these ahadith ánd the ones who declared them authentic: the muhammadans.
Expeldarkness 2 years ago
Expeldarkness
Whether they are weak or strong, yet they are authentic.
You are wrong they are supposed to be authentic, depends on the scientific method used to identify it but when it comes to Bible there is nothing but pure crap, distorted and twisted to suit the Jewish agenda. I want you to prove the Bible is from God and Jesus really lived and he is God. Try it, intellectually
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
Well, there were fabricated hadith, weak hadith, sound hadith, very strong hadith and the standard goes on and if you are a truth seeker, you will look for authenticity and strong hadith to support your argument and if you are hater you would quote any weak or fabricated or not so strong hadith. You can't simply quote hadith that's not Islamic. You can quote the Bible because you don't need authenticity, all you need is just to believe blindly.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
Scientific method of hadith is just another words to reject the embarssing account of Muhammad life action or stupid miracle like spliting the moon into.
"Moderate" Muslims doing this in trying to introduce a sugarcoated Islam.
Christians worship the living God.
But Muslims worship a God who never reveal himself to Muhammad his beloved messenger nor can he save/ heal Muhammad from ailment due to eating poison meat.
cariansee 2 years ago
Scientific method of Hadith is just another word.
Yeah Jesus could give life to dead and cure the sick and those action are miracle but If Muhammad split the moon is always impossible to accept. Man becoming God and God becoming man is not impossible for a Christian pagan but anybody else claim any of it cannot be trusted. Why would anyone trust Jesus?
Even Jesus couldn't be saved from death because he was a false god or a prophet.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
Speaking about pagans,
Actually if you just think rationally. it is Islam who is just a repacking of Arabians paganism.
1. Allah was one of the 360 pagans gods recide in Kaaba.
2. Muslims pray facing Kaaba the house of Allah.
3.Many islamic rituals i.e. Hajj is based on paganism.
4. Kissing black stone at Kaaba is pagan ritual.
To say that Christianity is pagans show how you have lack of knowledge of Christianity.
cariansee 2 years ago
cariansee
Speaking about pagan
In fact it is Christianity is just the repacking of European paganism which Constantinople produced it.
Allah was the Lord of the worlds
And there were360 tribal gods in and around Kaaba which each tribe worshiped and believed that all of them have power to intercede with God.
Muslim pray facing Kaaba because t is te direction where the Kaaba is which is built by Abraham.
Continues
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
Hajj is Islamic and all the Islamic rituals are in the Bible as well but Christin choose pagan rituals instead of worshiping God the way all the Prophet worshiped.
Are these pagan?
Genesis 17:3 Abram fell facedown, and God said to him,
Genesis 17:17 Abraham fell facedown;
Numbers 16:4 And when Moses heard it, he fell upon his face:
Number20:6 And Moses and Aaron ... and they fell upon their faces:
Matthew 26:39 And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, ...
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
Thank you voiceofreasoning, we know the bible is full of shit too. That is why we in the west live in secular societies. If we treated the Bible as if it was the word of God our society would look a bit like Saudi Arabia. This view that a book written in the 7th century can possibly be the word of God has led muslims to justify sex between a 54 year old man and a 9 year old girl. Both the Quran and the Bible contain primitive and outdated morality.
padraigomairtin 2 years ago
You are right the Bible is full of shit but the Qur'an is the word of God if you trying to compare everything what the Qur'an says and the Bible says. Of course you love your Secular life style because you are just consumer, producer society and there is no value even though you believe their is something call Western value that is freedom of speech and so on and so forth. Marriage between 54 yer old man and 9 year old virgin has nothing to do with mortality or anything else. Go to history. cont
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
The greatest objection to the Bible is a bad life
Expeldarkness 2 years ago
Sex between a 54 year old man and a 9 year old girl is immoral and criminal and yet you seek guidance from a book that trys to justify such a vile act. Slavery is immoral and yet your book supports this too. Applying the Quran or the Bible as if it is the word of God has clearly corrupted you.
padraigomairtin 2 years ago
paraigomairtin
Tin head, you are as ignorant as your forefathers, your Western forefathers screwed 3 year old gils to onward, they stopped it only when European common law came into effect just a 100 years ago still each country differs the age of consensus. In those days it was not a problem that was their culture to build bond by marrying their daughters to relations and famous people and that is the reason they marry more than one and girls get marry as they attain puberty. continues
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
You see what I mean. Because of your religion you are still trying to justify sex between a 54 year old man and a 9 year old girl. Religion has led you to attempting to justify and appalling crime against a child. If you are now selective about what you take from the Quran you become amoral.
padraigomairtin 2 years ago
paraigomairtin
You are out of mind to compare Islamic culture with other cultures like Western naked culture. In Islamic culture the marriage is always considered bond between two families and more but in the West it is only sex and nothing but sex. If a girl has attained puberty she is eligible for marriage because Muslim families have so many children and they get them married as fast as possible. Lady Aisha was engaged to someone else at the time the engagement was broken later.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
padraigomairtin cont
In fact, the life style of the Western world apart from modern way of life of fast cars, jets, computers cellular phones and so many other high tech; you are still the primitive people who engage in fornication, adultery, homosexuality, incest, alcoholism, gambling and other evils. If you read the books like Bible or Qur'an or any other revealed scriptures certainly you will find these way of life was rejected by your forefathers after practicing all kinds of evil. Peace
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
We are free you are stuck in the moral mire of the 7th century.
padraigomairtin 2 years ago
padraigomairtin
If you are ignorant there is nothing can correct your belief. If you read the Christian Bible you find that what you consider today as moral and consensual was in fact immopral and evil so Moses ordered to kill those who engaged in those evil activities and about 600 years later Muhammad (S) came the people were practicing what is forbidden so he had to reimpose the laws to protect the honor of women, men and children. Toddy you claim what they considered evil as Western value.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
What is immoral to day is moral in those days, for instance if you are homosexual r a lesbian or a prostitute or a adulterer or worshiped any other gods beside the God of Israel you would be killed like a dog, that's because the act of doing these things were considered evil. So the laws of God never change but mentally retarded people like you change and promote evil as good and good as evil but we Muslims will always oppose evil as it is evil whatever your argument is because you are pagans.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
Moral laws are constantly changing. Do you think Slavery is moral. The Quran does.
padraigomairtin 2 years ago
Qur'an never sanctioned slavery at that time of the prophet. Qur'an tells people to free slaves because it is a kind of Islamic virtue or some kind of obedience to God's commandments. Each of the companions of the prophet freed hundreds of thousands of slaves. Before Islam the Pagans, Jews and Christians practiced slavery and Islam stage by stage abolished it by various methods, if you read the history of Islam you could find that but the internet sites of the Christian you find distorted ones.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
You're quite wrong. The Sharia regulates how slaves should be owned. The Quran recommends that muslims should not be enslaved but is fine about the enslavement of non muslims. Slavery is even accepted by Wahabiism. The great palaces of Marrakech were built by European slaves. Christianity is similar because like islam it espouses an outdated morality that belongs in the past
padraigomairtin 2 years ago
paraigomairtin
Sharia is for all time, nit 's not confined to time or place. In those days it was a practice for people own slaves the Western world is the biggest slave owners and they had no respect for the slaves they owned them as they own domestic animals but in Islam it is apolitical system. So everything must be in clear writing. If there is war between Kufr and Islam then again these things can happen, the world may go back to primitive age. In Islam everything is instructed clearly.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
padraigomairtin
outdated morality that belongs in the past
What morality the Atheist need to follow? Can you explain why and Atheist need to talk about morality and accountability. You can choose whatever suits you at the time of your situation and condition. I don't think an Atheist need any morality and fi you are talking about morality then it is already in religions. What should you do with a rapist or murderer or thief? Which is better bullet or sward? what's the difference?
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
Slavery is immoral in this I am influenced by the life and word of William Wilberforce and the ideals of the French revolution. My morality is influenced by centuries of philosopers. I also have a conscience that informs me that it is wrong to harm my fellow man. You slavishly follow an outdated text that tells you it's wrong to eat pork but owning another human being is fine and have sex with a child is ok too. You seem to have no conscience and are therefore amoral.
padraigomairtin 2 years ago
padraigomairtin Well if you have a conscience that informs you that conscience is a gift of god and when you are left with no choice, you need the moral teaching of God to conduct your life. Problem with most of the people is that they deny God even though they know there is something tells them that, what is right and wrong but that SOMETHING cannot tell you everything what is moral or what is immoral. You understand that you should not harm your fellow men but there are millions harm them.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
Slavery has nothing to do with morality, it is something like a trade and necessary evil at one time. If you don't want to practice slavery then nobody forces you but remember still some part of the world slavery is practiced in various forms and shapes and you cannot completely irradiate it. Cheap and forced labor is a kind of slavery. Slavery is there in various forms, you are slave to somebody's philosophy. So this is nature, Qur'an is very clear as to how you treat your laves or prisoners.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
To enslave another human being is highly immoral. The fact that the Quran permits muslims to own slaves shows that it is a product of the time it was written and is outdated. You need more modern sources to inform your conscience such as the philosopers of the Enlightenment otherwise you would think that slavery was acceptable and stoning and amputations are acceptable forms of punishment.
padraigomairtin 2 years ago
padraigomairtin
if you are so concern about slavery stop voting for your leaders, they are the ones invade, occupy and oppress people in order to steal their wealth.
The Western world is practicing slavery in a different ways by teaching new things to people and they are becoming zombies. In the name of freedom and democracy they have become slave to materialism. In order to live a better life millions of women in the Western world have become prostitutes, call girls, single mothers and so on.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
What country do you think the Republic of Ireland invaded??? I don't think we are becoming zombies. A zombie would mindlessly adhere to the Quran when it is evidently out of date in its teachings in many respects. I find it appalling that you equate prostitutes with single mothers. And just because western woman are not sexually repressed as in the Arab world that does not make them prostitutes.
padraigomairtin 2 years ago
padraigmairtin
You have not invaded but you were engaged in terrorism I mean Christian terrorism. If you can tell me what is out dated in the Qur'an I can show you that you are out dated primitive creature. If women are not sexually repressed why are they called single mothers and their children love child. Who in your definition is a prostitute?
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
Certain people in Ireland have indeed engaged in terrorism but I don't know what you mean by "christian terrorism"... The Quran is out-dated because it does not ban and actually regulates slavery. Slavery is now rightly considered an abomination therefore the Quran is outdated. The Quran and Sharia are not compatible with the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.... A prostitute sells sex for money; this has nothing to do with being a single mother.
padraigomairtin 2 years ago
padraigomair
When the Muslims fight they are Muslim terrorists and others are certain people. Who are those terrorists? BTW when you finish reading the Qur'an let me know for the answers that you are looking for.Perhaps you may not even asking me any question because Qur'an speaks for itself. In fact the Universal declaration of Human Right is not compatible with Sharia and it's not the other way around. You can shove it up your ass and we don't give a damn about what the Jews and Christian say.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
You don't give a damn about the Universal Declaration of Human Rights! Isn't it strange that your religion requires you to reject human rights? You said before we all have a God-given conscience. Has your religion switched yours off? You reject the values of the Declaration not because they are not good values but because they are incompatable with the Sharia. From what you say, Islam must be a very impoverished and impovorishing religion in that it is anchored to the past and cannot evolve.
padraigomairtin 2 years ago
padraigmairtin
The Zionist and Neoconcon's concept of Universal Declaration of Human Right and Islamic concept of Human Right are two different things. But anyway there are inalienable rights Islam defined them in the Qur'an. So if you have anything that Islam denies let me know. Well, we will reject anything even an atom weight of it, if that doesn't comply with Sharia. We don't need any BS Zionist craps.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
I have a few questions for you. First, which articles in the text of the Declaration (googl it for text) are Zionist and neo-conservative? Second, which articles do you find objectionable? Third, if it is Zionist and neo-conservative why did Saudi Arabia not vote against it when it was adopted by the United Nations General Assembly in 1948?
padraigomairtin 2 years ago
padraigomairtin
I am not sure why Saudi Arabia did not vote against it but I think it is Saudi Arabia which fought with Ottoman Empire and the it is the Western world that helped them to defeat Ottoman. I believe it is pure selfish and politics. No organization is free of Zionist manipulation. The Zionists are above the law because these criminals are protected and supported by the US and Europe. It is true Muslims are weak because Muslim leaders have close relationship with the West.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
You still do not answer my question so I shall repeat it. Which articles in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights make it Zionist and which articles to you object to?
padraigomairtin 2 years ago
padraigomairtin
Thje truth is that Zionism was considered racism and the United States of America and other countries support Israel wanted the United Nation to repeal it a couple years back and they had to do it on pressure. So this is the truth; Zionism is not only considered racism but also curse of God Almighty to the world because the Zionists are engaged in usury, disinformation and other evil practices of illegal and deceitful dealings. Wall Street is an example of the Zionist greed.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
Martin Luther King described himself as a Zionist - was he a racist? I note you still refuse to answer my question about the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. I assume this is because you cannot answer it and all you are capable of is spouting the usual anti-semitic drivel. Your version of Islam disgusts me because it espouses values that belong in the middle ages and is thus inherently backward. You reject human rights in favour of a slavish adherence to your outdated religious values.
padraigomairtin 2 years ago
padraigomairtin
Martin Luther King can say or do anything he wants but that not make the Zionists become good human beings.
To answer there must be a question. If the Question deals with issue then I can answer. If you ask me that which part of Universal Declaration of Human Right do I reject, I reject everything that gos against the human right in Islam.BTW the Zionists are not Semites.
voiceofreasoning 2 years ago
Anit-semitic in the English language means having an irrational hatred of the Jews. It is entirely irrelevant whether they are technically semites or not. Becaue the Quran was written in the 7th centure it is hopelessly out of date there slavery is permitted as are cruel punishments in breach of Article 4 and 5. Don't you think if your religion allows slavery, amputation and stoning it might need a bit of updating?
padraigomairtin 2 years ago