@vonmitchell Great debating. I'm glad you capitalized ACCORDING TO THE GOOD PLEASURE OF HIS WILL. The Bible is so clear here that only an egotist could miss this. JadeMiner and Lou are trying to comprehend God's will with faulty human logic instead of faith. Calvinism doesn't attack God's character - it does the opposite.
@tgillspy2 So God isn't sovereign? You're not saved by faith alone? You have to add something to Christ's work? Yikes, that's blasphemous and scary. Glory not alone to God but to you and God? Yikes. No thanks.
@rorshakks Both jacob arminius and and john calvin are the authors of dead man-made religion. So again you are wrong.The devil is masterfully cunning and clever......
@tgillspy2 Um, ya, well the religion they adhered to is Christianity so your statement makes no sense. Yes they are dead, so what? Jesus is alive and is Lord, true. Both believed this. Not sure where you're going with this.
Hi Jade, its LOA, we need to talk, if I can't reach Lou, I've found some interesting things that send Calvinists running. A few verses which they simply have no answer to.
The easy answer, Lou, is because White and his cohorts aren't actually Christians. Even here on youtube I see the common hecklers who just CANT debate, and have no answer for scripture, right here on your own video comments. I think I've finally found the formula to beat them flat out and disprove Calvinism with much less effort than ever before. We need to talk sometime, I rarely go to paltalk anymore, but this is LOA.
Last time you tried commenting on one of my videos or my profile. The entire guest list thus far hasn't wanted a piece of what I've cooked, so don't feel bad, you're in the company of your friends, the debate dropouts.
@RawChristianSuperman Hi LOA. Long time no see. I agree with you. There is a much easier way to disprove Calvinism. I'll be doing another youtube video next week. Even the poor Calvinists won't know what to do after I get done with this one. Keep an eye out for it. By the way, tell the wifey I said hello.
@JadeMiner Besides, I have his book The God of Calvinism and have heard the 2 debates ( James White and TurretinFan). I am not convinced with his type of arguments especially the way he debates. He made a fool out of himself in the debate with James. If you read my comment carefully, you would see that I said I have watched other videos of him. I guess Lou's fan can not read anything carefully and have to assume things that are not there. Talk about brainwash. Peace.
Do you even read the comments people post or do you blindly respond to them? How can you you say I am being hipocritical when you dont even have no type of evidence of that claim. How do you know I did not get it from simply reading the Bible? Instead of telling me to read scripture carefully, you tell me to watch Lou's videos. It seems my friend that you are describing yourself in these comments of yours.You have to assume that I am pretending to do something that is just dishonest.
@JadeMiner Wow, you are so confused. In other comments you keep suggesting Lou's videos. Be consistant in what you say. You mention the word "honest" but it seem that there is no honest standards on your behalf. You mentioned in other post that we are brainwashed. You quote John 1:12 without even touching the verse after. You quote ephesians 3:7 without even giving a point. My friend please stay consistant because you are making a fool out of yourself calling people brainwash.
@JadeMiner Wait a minute dude. The verse John 1:12 does not end there. John 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God" It was the will of God for those who received Him, not the will of man nor because of your descendants. How can God choose you first after you chose Him first? Its either you chose Him first, or He chooses you first. It can not be both ways. You say God chose you because you chose to TRUST AND BELIEVE in Him first.
@JadeMiner I suggest for you to listen to the debate with James White. Lou did not know what in the world he was talking about. He then claims James White was not to ready when he admitted in one of his videos that he did not know what was "pelagianism" or "semi-pelagianism", Besides, the verse you quotted contradicts your view. It says, " God given unto me by the effectual work of HIS power". It is His work, He gave it, Paul was MADE a minister and it was effective work of Christ.
@vonmitchell You know I'm not an open theist. So why do you ask me silly questions? God knows all things beforehand. He has a decretive will and a permissive will. All things that come to pass are the result of either God's decrees or God simply allowing them to take place.
@vonmitchell Based on the facts that the word "refuse" was used three times (Ex. 7:14, 8:2 and 10:3), and that Pharaoh agreed to release the Israelites twice in Ex. 8 alone, the correct response to my question should have been "yes." But unfortunately your answer was "no," because your man-made belief systen won't allow you to answer it any other way. Such is the mind of the Calvinist. Much like Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and Universalists, they ignore the facts to embrace a faulty theology.
@LOUISRUGG Why is it you think God's decree is void of human action? Calvinist have no problem with the word "refuse", he refused b/c God decreed him to. I refuse or choose to do things all the time, but that does not mean God did not decree it.
Your consciousness of free will is only your unconsciousness of determinism.
@1689Baptist Why is God asking Pharaoh why he was refusing in Ex. 10:3? Didn't God know that the reason was that He was decreeing it, or is it possible that the free-will choice was always Pharaoh's to make?
@LOUISRUGG "Why is God asking Pharaoh why he was refusing in Ex. 10:3?" Oh! So God didn't know why Pharaoh was refusing? Are you an open theist? Calvinist have no problem with God asking questions like this, we believe God has decreed every blade of grass blowing in the wind and every molecule in the blade, why would I be surprised that God would decree such an elaborate scenario as what took place with Pharaoh, this is how we are unconscious of determinism.
@1689Baptist Actually, if you read Ex 10:3 carefully, God gives the reason why Pharaoh was refusing to release the Israelites. It's because he wasn't humbling himself. Ex 10:3 states: "...Thus saith the LORD God of the Hebrews, How long wilt thou refuse to humble thyself before me? let my people go, that they may serve me." Nice try anyway.
@LOUISRUGG "It's because he wasn't humbling himself." Of course God decreed for him not to. LOL
"How long wilt thou refuse to humble thyself before me?" Did God not know how long or you think this could have been part of the elaborate scenario? God decreed that He would harden Pharaohs heart, He decreed Pharaoh would harden his own heart, God decreed that He would ask Pharaoh a question, He also decreed Pharaoh's response.
@1689Baptist Are you a fatalist? Does the god you pray to more closely represent Allah, the god of Islam? Was Ergun Caner, the man who wrote a foreword for my book, correct? Don't be ashamed. Say how you feel. The first step in conquering a problem is to first confess that you, in fact, do have a problem. The rest becomes easy.
I am not a fatalist, I am a determinist, fatalism is hopelessness resigned to fate with no hope. We have a blessed Hope in Jesus Christ.
Having Ergun Caner write a forward to your book is nothing to be proud of.
BTW we don't FEEL we THINK, that is what is wrong with your theology. Well do you feel that the Calvinist God is really the God of the Bible? Is this the God you experience when you read His Word? PUKE!!
@1689Baptist You embrace a fatalist theology. According to you, God has decreed everything. When you accept that fact, then and only then will you be given the strength by the Holy Spirit to reject this belief. The choice then will be yours to make. Though God knows the choice that you will make, He does not decree your choice. He, before He even created time, has decided to allow the choice that He knows beforehand that you will be making. That's the God I pray to. Right now it's not yours!
@LOUISRUGG You said, "You embrace a fatalist theology. According to you, God has decreed everything" This is the standard insult Arminians hurl at Calvinists.
You cant see the forest for the trees, you are so busy trying to figure out if Pharaoh hardened his own heart or why did God ask him questions, trying to prove free will, but if you step back and examine scripture you would see before going into this story God had already planed (decreed) the whole scenario.
That everything that happened was God hardening Pharaoh's heart yes even though Pharaoh hardening his own heart. We find in Ch.3 God already knew..Exo 3:19 And I am sure that the king of Egypt will not let you go... and in Ch.7 God decreed...Exo 7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt. In Romans 9 Paul gives us the reason...
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
@vonmitchell If you're answer is "yes," then we are in agreement and our exchange is concluded. If your response is "no," then you're the one who needs to explain why the word "refuse" is used in Ex. 7:14, 8:2 and 10:3? I didn't put it there. God did! Besides, Pharaoh agreed to let the people go twice in Exodus 8...further refuting your "no" response. Think about all of this. Have a nice day. I need to tend to some errands.
@vonmitchell You didn't say that God hardened Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 5...but James White said it. I have an idea...why don't you discuss the matter with him first, come to a decision as to whether the hardening took place by Ex. 5 or in Exodus 7...and then we can continue our dialogue?
@vonmitchell Exodus 8 doesn't say that God hardened Pharaoh's heart. Rather, it says that Pharaoh hardened his own heart. If you don't believe me, read Ex. 8:15 and Ex. 8:32.
@vonmitchell God did NOT harden Pharaoh's heart until Exodus 7, not by Exodus 5 as Reformers like James White and others claim. When Calvinists stop denying what Scripture has to say and accept this biblical fact, they will come to a fuller understanding about the true character of our Maker.
@vonmitchell LOL. You're right! The Scriptures speak for themselves. God showed mercy to Pharaoh and Egypt. As proof, when Pharaoh temporarily "CHOSE" to release the Isrealites TWICE in Exodus 8, the plagues stopped.
@vonmitchell You assume that Romans 9 is about individual election. Contrary to what you and other Reformers think, it's about individuals. False precepts lead to faulty conclusions.
@vonmitchell Regarding Pharaoh, we need to interpret Romans 9 based on the events that took place back in the Book of Exodus...not the other way around.
@vonmitchell What about that Scripture? "What does Romans 9:17-18 actually teach? The answer: Even though God knew beforehand that Pharaoh would need to experience a tremendous display of His power before he would agree to release the Israelites, He raised him up anyway so that His power would not only become known to Egypt but also to the enire world." (Louis Ruggiero, The God of Calvinism: a Rebuttal of Reformed Theology, page 193)
God will ask someone a question, such as he did to Adam and Eve when they were hiding from him in the garden, or Cain after he had killed his brother Abel, while God himself all along knows the answer to that question, as he did to Pharaoh in Exodus 10:3.
This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
@prchdaword Well, you tried, but you didn't do a very good job. How could you? After all, the defense of your position just wasn't biblical, was based totally on conjecture, and was completely illogical.
@LOUISRUGG So just curious, then but did you see the 12 or 13 videos that were in response to your 10 Challenges? Cause all I did was read from Exodus and examine your own claim and meet your challenges with other Scriptures....you are aware of that right? Could you also point out the "conjecture" of my arguments and responses? That would be helpful Thanks and God bless.
I think that I understand why you are confused about this passage, please be patient and try to be understanding, I may not be eloquent with this.
Your perception of this verse is God said he would harden Pharoah's heart, and then Pharoah later on hardened his own heart. If I understand you, you are saying that God knew he would, that's why he said he would harden Pharoah's heart.
After all is said and done, why then would God say that HE would do the hardening? It seems so clear.
@reformedman PLease understand that I'm not the one confused about the incidents that took place in Ex chapters 3-10. It is the Reformers who are confused. I'm just trying to help them understand and explain to them that we serve a loving and merciful God, not the kind of God who hardens men's hearts rendering them unable to respond to Him and then punishes them because of their inability to respond. But thanks for your message anyway.
@LOUISRUGG Thank you for your answer and your patience with me, but further..
My intention is not to show whether God is a merciless tyrant nor a God of blind love. Instead, my question was posed in order for you to please tell me as concisely as you can in the short of amount of space that we are graced by youtube to write in; Did God do what He said HE would do, or did He not. It must be one or the other. I will not force the answer. If you feel it is not a yes/no answer then please elaborate.
@reformedman OK, allow me to summarize: God hardened Pharaoh's heart by humiliating him in defeat. As a result of this defeat, the Egyptian king hardened his own heart. But that doesn't mean that Pharaoh was rendered incapable of releasing the Israelites. He was merely refusing. God knew this would happen. This is why God told Moses what he did in Ex. 3:19-20 and in Ex. 4:21. Hope this helps.
Now that you expressed yourself concisely and to the point, this summarized posit is what you could have given to Dr. White.
My interpretation on the contrary, is that mankind needs no help to be evil. God affords common-grace to all so that they are bearable and tolerable. Therefore, God took away his grace of goodness from pharoah and allowed him to be stone cold hard.
God hardened him by removing what wasn't his in the 1st place, any trace of goodness
@reformedman Hi! First of all I was prepared to explain my position to White. He admitted that he has my God of Calvinism: a Rebuttal of Reformed Theology book. My position is fully explained on pages 192-207 in my work. He knows what the Bible teaches, but he REFUSES to face it. As far as your "common grace" position is concerned, with all due respect it is a theory contrived by Reformed theologians so they can reinforce their mischaracterization of God. It is a theory which is unbiblical.
@LOUISRUGG Let me first commend you on your ability to keep track of all your comments, I find it difficult to keep track of all the comments in their order. I don't recieve so many arguments on mine because nothing in my reformed channel is at all controversial, it is all biblical. Good job. Secondly, I did not find the following in the book of mormon, I found them in the Bible: heb 1:3 jn 1:4 mt 5:45 mt 7:9-10 rm 13:1 rm 13:6 gen 20:6 1sam 25:26 rm 2:14-15 unbiblical theory?
I believe this man James White is a deceiver. For many reasons but he makes it plain by his own words in this video at 7:38. You say you don't want to misrepresent him, and it is clear that you don't. Yet he insinuates that you do, which is a serpent-like accusation, and then he tries to dominate by numbers (which have nothing to do with the truth) by saying MOST PEOPLE would agree with him--also a conveniently (for him) unprovable fact.
Amen! We are told back in Exo. 3:19 that God is sure the king of Egypt won't let the people go. God foresaw what the decision would be and allowed pharoah to make it.
Even R.C. Sproul states that the hardening was passive, allowing Pharoah to make the decisions he (Pharoah) wanted to make.
'God hardened Pharoah's heart by forcing him to an issue against which he hardened his own heart in refusal. (scofield note)
@JadeMiner Wow, hearing what the word "hardened" literally means in Hebrew really helps illuminate the process by which the hardening took place. In order to 'strengthen' Pharoh's heart, a challenge had to be given FIRST. The gauntlet was thrown (the rod and plagues). In RESPONSE to the gauntlet, Pharaoh bowed up against God. Clearly, Pharaoh's heart could not be strengthened/bowed up against God until God had FIRST given him evidence of His OWN supremeness (shown through the rod/plagues).
@JadeMiner>"God simply challenged Pharaoh with the rod, and later with the plagues. And Pharaoh responded with "strengthened" pride and arrogance. aka "hardened his heart" "
This is profound. I can see parallels with God's challenge to Pharaoh with rod and plagues strengthening his pride and arrogance (hardening his heart), to what Calvin's "ism" does to Calvinists.
Its all together opposite to what happened to Job's heart.
This is meat for deep thought. Thanks for your comment.
Some may blame God for all the evil sin in the world. After all, they believe God planed everything that will ever happen. In the book of Job, God allows Satan to kill all ten of Job's children, doesn't the blame fall on God? Job did not blame God or charge God with wrong. When God answered Job, he did not tell him about Satan, he just questioned Job. The conclusion I come to then is that there is more going on that we just don't understand, as did Job, who was restored after enduring.
Here is what I see regarding Pharaoh that I think calvinists miss. If God sends Moses to tell Pharaoh to "Let my people go", it means that he was enslaving Gods people already.
Ex 2:11And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren (the Children of Isreal), and looked on THEIR BURDENS: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.
@prn72271 cont: Moses spends 40 years in midian after he flees Pharoah, then God speaks to him - Ex 3. (Moses was approx. 80)
Now we have 40 years passing and God people are still being burdened and enslaved. I say that to say Pharaoh was already an oppressor way before God hardened His heart. Its not as if God took up a nice young man and hardened him, he was already a abusive slavemaster.
In that it matters not really about the hardening but moreso the character of pharaoh.
@prn72271 I think you bring up a good point. Pharaoh was already an abusive slave master. Now, God, Master of all masters, steps in and says these are my people, let them go---and here's evidence that I am Lord of lords (rod/plagues). Instead of submitting, Pharaoh resists God's command, therefore exposing himself for who he was (not God's child). God did harden Pharaoh's heart but He didn't do it arbitrarily, rather He did it BY giving a command which Pharaoh hardened his own heart against.
@LOUISRUGG And the LORD said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt, see that you do all those wonders before Pharaoh which I have put in your hand. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go. Ex 4:21
Who hardened Pharoah's heart and for what purpose?
@October31st1517 Mark, I've known you a long time. You may be in denial, but you're not stupid. But I'll go slow anyway just in case. God hardened Pharaoh's heart by humiliating him in defeat. As a result of this defeat, the Egyptian king hardened his own heart. But that doesn't mean that Pharaoh was rendered incapable of releasing the Israelites. He was merely refusing. God knew this would happen. This is why God told Moses what he did in Ex. 3:19-20 and in Ex. 4:21. Have a nice day.
lCor3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be
wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
Matthew18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become *as little children*, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Sometimes theology gets in the way of humility. I was amazed to hear this same James White suggest God decrees rape etc, so wrong: Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;... . Very risky.
..in addition, i wonder if even Pharaoh's heart wasn't "troubled"again, after the water destroyed his army. Even Judas knew that he made a real dumb decision>Matt27:3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself,... .
Even the so called "totally depraved" have a conscience,=capacity think, the biggest problem for us humans is we were made subject to vanity(Romans8v20)<This verse suggest even God knew there was a risk in making non-robots. lPeter1v7.
@1689Baptist arrrr brother Jeff- you been holding out on me, i only just discovered this LOUISRUGG channel last night, i'm surprised you never told me about it before.
Jeff, this is a good video to watch: "(Pt1) God's Sovereignty and Man's Free Will"
Jeremiah19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons
with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not,
nor spake it, *neither came it into my mind:*
Hmmm, time to get the shovel out & bury that flower power.
@1689Baptist RE: Jeremiah19:5...*neither came it into my mind:* If it wasn't considered by God, it was the result of the free will of man with help from God's enemy-Satan, who also like us was made with a free will & subject to vanity-Rom8v20. Even man can make robots, God in His genius made us with free will. What would you prefer:(a) a wind up or battery operated toy dog. Or (b)a real dog that could discern between a robber or a friend?.
John10v34&35. the clay is made in The Potters image.
@zacqt Sir, *neither came it into my mind:* is a figure of speech that people still use today, all God is saying is I would never require such a sacrifice as burning your children so why are you doing it, This in no way means God did not know it was going to happen or that God did not decree it.
Man could never be a robot b/c he has the ability to think and reason, even if god has determined all things we still understand what we do and understand if it is right or wrong,
This knowledge is what God holds us accountable for NOT FREE WILL Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being UNDERSTOOD by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: So this Idea that God can't hold us accountable unless we can freely choose what is right or wrong is debunked. It is understanding PERIOD.
"John10v34&35. the clay is made in The Potters image" Those verses have nothing to do with the image of God, but be that as it may, we are made in God's image. What is that image? The image is righteousness and intellect (the ability to think logically), righteousness was lost in the fall, and the ability to think logically was damaged. The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, b/c they are spiritually discerned.
@1689Baptist now you have just made God into some double talking man. How can God decree something that never entered His mind. He in this verse is talking. The verse also says that God didnt COMMAND it.
This in every way means that God didnt decree it.
Geez, its as if nothing in the scriptures make plain sense when it comes to calvinism.
@1689Baptist before telling me to think you should look at how foolish what you saying is. God says He didnt think to tell the Children of Isreal to sin in such a manner but you say He decreed and Ordained it, its part of His secret will isnt it?
Talk about the need to think before your speaking.
Louis, since we do not know our future, but we believe in a God who has a punishment for sinners in the other world, we are given a sense of urgency to know what not and what to do, in order to avoid that punishment. That is where Bible study comes in, that is where obedience to God's commandments comes in. Jesus said: If you love me, you will obey my commandments. James 4:17 KJV Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. see verse 13-16 for context
Louis, admit defeat. I know, it's difficult and nearly impossible to accept that God would force anyone, without their knowing it, to do as Pharaoh did, but the Biblical evidence says otherwise. As I have told you and others before, the way around it, the way to get any sense of free will, is to know that, just as Pharaoh did not know his future, neither do we. No one knows if they themselves are of the so called elect, but God the Father. Jesus only knows if his Father tells him.
We are all "dead in our trespasses and sin". Dead men CAN'T choose Christ. He chooses us.
rorshakks 3 weeks ago
@vonmitchell Great debating. I'm glad you capitalized ACCORDING TO THE GOOD PLEASURE OF HIS WILL. The Bible is so clear here that only an egotist could miss this. JadeMiner and Lou are trying to comprehend God's will with faulty human logic instead of faith. Calvinism doesn't attack God's character - it does the opposite.
rorshakks 5 months ago
James is hardening his heart in the error of reform theology and is denying the will of God.....
tgillspy2 3 weeks ago
@tgillspy2 What is the error of Reformed theology?
rorshakks 3 weeks ago
@rorshakks Everything....
tgillspy2 3 weeks ago
@tgillspy2 So are you against Solus Christus, Sola Gratia, Sola Fide, Sola Scriptura, Soli Deo Gloria? The sovereignty of God?
rorshakks 3 weeks ago
@rorshakks Calvinism is false doctrine obviously.
tgillspy2 3 weeks ago
@tgillspy2 So God isn't sovereign? You're not saved by faith alone? You have to add something to Christ's work? Yikes, that's blasphemous and scary. Glory not alone to God but to you and God? Yikes. No thanks.
rorshakks 3 weeks ago
@rorshakks GOD IS " NOT THE AUTHOR OF SIN " YOU ARE CLEARLY DECEIVED ........
tgillspy2 3 weeks ago
@tgillspy2 I know he's not the author of sin and I don't know one Calvinist who believes or teaches that.
rorshakks 3 weeks ago
@rorshakks Do you think that gGod ordained the fall of adam.....
tgillspy2 3 weeks ago
@tgillspy2 No. And no Calvinists believe or teach this. What's with the gGod thing?
rorshakks 3 weeks ago
@rorshakks The calvinist soul is deceived.
tgillspy2 3 weeks ago
@tgillspy2 The Arminist soul is (clearly) deceived, hence Arminius being a heretic, whereas Calvin was a hero of the faith.
rorshakks 3 weeks ago
@rorshakks Both jacob arminius and and john calvin are the authors of dead man-made religion. So again you are wrong.The devil is masterfully cunning and clever......
tgillspy2 3 weeks ago
@tgillspy2 Dead man-made religion? What?
You're clearly an Arminist so your statement is bewildering. And you also failed to answer my questions.
rorshakks 3 weeks ago
@rorshakks calvin and arminius are dead so is their religion.Jesus is alive,He is the Lord.
John calvin was a hireling He did not care for the sheep he was a wolf....
tgillspy2 3 weeks ago
@tgillspy2 Um, ya, well the religion they adhered to is Christianity so your statement makes no sense. Yes they are dead, so what? Jesus is alive and is Lord, true. Both believed this. Not sure where you're going with this.
rorshakks 3 weeks ago
@rorshakks What do arminius and calvin have to do with true christianity.
tgillspy2 3 weeks ago
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tgillspy2 3 weeks ago
You serve the Pope very well.
hisfreewill 7 months ago
@hisfreewill Slam dunk!
rorshakks 5 months ago
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Rachella38 1 year ago
@ele12957returns Calvinism IS Christianity!!
Who calls it "Christianity without Christ" You? A bunch of reprobates? Like I care! LOL
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@ele12957returns No, I just seem to have a radar to find heretics. LOL
Calvinism IS Christianity! You mean more and more people are proving to be reprobate!
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@JadeMiner
Hi Jade, its LOA, we need to talk, if I can't reach Lou, I've found some interesting things that send Calvinists running. A few verses which they simply have no answer to.
RawChristianSuperman 1 year ago
The easy answer, Lou, is because White and his cohorts aren't actually Christians. Even here on youtube I see the common hecklers who just CANT debate, and have no answer for scripture, right here on your own video comments. I think I've finally found the formula to beat them flat out and disprove Calvinism with much less effort than ever before. We need to talk sometime, I rarely go to paltalk anymore, but this is LOA.
RawChristianSuperman 1 year ago
@RawChristianSuperman Bring it on! ROFL
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist
I brought it, cooked it, and served it, you didn't want any.
RawChristianSuperman 1 year ago
@RawChristianSuperman And when was this?
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist
Last time you tried commenting on one of my videos or my profile. The entire guest list thus far hasn't wanted a piece of what I've cooked, so don't feel bad, you're in the company of your friends, the debate dropouts.
RawChristianSuperman 1 year ago
@RawChristianSuperman Hi LOA. Long time no see. I agree with you. There is a much easier way to disprove Calvinism. I'll be doing another youtube video next week. Even the poor Calvinists won't know what to do after I get done with this one. Keep an eye out for it. By the way, tell the wifey I said hello.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@ele12957returns You again?
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@JadeMiner Besides, I have his book The God of Calvinism and have heard the 2 debates ( James White and TurretinFan). I am not convinced with his type of arguments especially the way he debates. He made a fool out of himself in the debate with James. If you read my comment carefully, you would see that I said I have watched other videos of him. I guess Lou's fan can not read anything carefully and have to assume things that are not there. Talk about brainwash. Peace.
johnpolanco18 1 year ago
Do you even read the comments people post or do you blindly respond to them? How can you you say I am being hipocritical when you dont even have no type of evidence of that claim. How do you know I did not get it from simply reading the Bible? Instead of telling me to read scripture carefully, you tell me to watch Lou's videos. It seems my friend that you are describing yourself in these comments of yours.You have to assume that I am pretending to do something that is just dishonest.
johnpolanco18 1 year ago
@JadeMiner Wow, you are so confused. In other comments you keep suggesting Lou's videos. Be consistant in what you say. You mention the word "honest" but it seem that there is no honest standards on your behalf. You mentioned in other post that we are brainwashed. You quote John 1:12 without even touching the verse after. You quote ephesians 3:7 without even giving a point. My friend please stay consistant because you are making a fool out of yourself calling people brainwash.
johnpolanco18 1 year ago
@JadeMiner Wait a minute dude. The verse John 1:12 does not end there. John 1:13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God" It was the will of God for those who received Him, not the will of man nor because of your descendants. How can God choose you first after you chose Him first? Its either you chose Him first, or He chooses you first. It can not be both ways. You say God chose you because you chose to TRUST AND BELIEVE in Him first.
johnpolanco18 1 year ago
@JadeMiner I suggest for you to listen to the debate with James White. Lou did not know what in the world he was talking about. He then claims James White was not to ready when he admitted in one of his videos that he did not know what was "pelagianism" or "semi-pelagianism", Besides, the verse you quotted contradicts your view. It says, " God given unto me by the effectual work of HIS power". It is His work, He gave it, Paul was MADE a minister and it was effective work of Christ.
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@vonmitchell You know I'm not an open theist. So why do you ask me silly questions? God knows all things beforehand. He has a decretive will and a permissive will. All things that come to pass are the result of either God's decrees or God simply allowing them to take place.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@vonmitchell God used the word "refuse" in Ex 10:3. That's your problem, not mine.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@vonmitchell Based on the facts that the word "refuse" was used three times (Ex. 7:14, 8:2 and 10:3), and that Pharaoh agreed to release the Israelites twice in Ex. 8 alone, the correct response to my question should have been "yes." But unfortunately your answer was "no," because your man-made belief systen won't allow you to answer it any other way. Such is the mind of the Calvinist. Much like Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses and Universalists, they ignore the facts to embrace a faulty theology.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@LOUISRUGG Why is it you think God's decree is void of human action? Calvinist have no problem with the word "refuse", he refused b/c God decreed him to. I refuse or choose to do things all the time, but that does not mean God did not decree it.
Your consciousness of free will is only your unconsciousness of determinism.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist Why is God asking Pharaoh why he was refusing in Ex. 10:3? Didn't God know that the reason was that He was decreeing it, or is it possible that the free-will choice was always Pharaoh's to make?
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@LOUISRUGG "Why is God asking Pharaoh why he was refusing in Ex. 10:3?" Oh! So God didn't know why Pharaoh was refusing? Are you an open theist? Calvinist have no problem with God asking questions like this, we believe God has decreed every blade of grass blowing in the wind and every molecule in the blade, why would I be surprised that God would decree such an elaborate scenario as what took place with Pharaoh, this is how we are unconscious of determinism.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist Actually, if you read Ex 10:3 carefully, God gives the reason why Pharaoh was refusing to release the Israelites. It's because he wasn't humbling himself. Ex 10:3 states: "...Thus saith the LORD God of the Hebrews, How long wilt thou refuse to humble thyself before me? let my people go, that they may serve me." Nice try anyway.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@LOUISRUGG "It's because he wasn't humbling himself." Of course God decreed for him not to. LOL
"How long wilt thou refuse to humble thyself before me?" Did God not know how long or you think this could have been part of the elaborate scenario? God decreed that He would harden Pharaohs heart, He decreed Pharaoh would harden his own heart, God decreed that He would ask Pharaoh a question, He also decreed Pharaoh's response.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist I've been on youtube for slightly over 2 years. Congratulations! That was the greatest response of denial I've witnessed thus far.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@LOUISRUGG Are you an open theist?
Did God not know how long?
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist Are you a fatalist? Is the God you serve more like the the god of Islam?
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@LOUISRUGG Don't change the subject, I asked the questions first!
Are you an open theist?
Did God not know how long?
Are you ashamed of what you believe?
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist Are you a fatalist? Does the god you pray to more closely represent Allah, the god of Islam? Was Ergun Caner, the man who wrote a foreword for my book, correct? Don't be ashamed. Say how you feel. The first step in conquering a problem is to first confess that you, in fact, do have a problem. The rest becomes easy.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@LOUISRUGG Chicken!
I am not a fatalist, I am a determinist, fatalism is hopelessness resigned to fate with no hope. We have a blessed Hope in Jesus Christ.
Having Ergun Caner write a forward to your book is nothing to be proud of.
BTW we don't FEEL we THINK, that is what is wrong with your theology. Well do you feel that the Calvinist God is really the God of the Bible? Is this the God you experience when you read His Word? PUKE!!
Now! Are you an open theist? Don't be ashamed
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist You embrace a fatalist theology. According to you, God has decreed everything. When you accept that fact, then and only then will you be given the strength by the Holy Spirit to reject this belief. The choice then will be yours to make. Though God knows the choice that you will make, He does not decree your choice. He, before He even created time, has decided to allow the choice that He knows beforehand that you will be making. That's the God I pray to. Right now it's not yours!
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@LOUISRUGG You said, "You embrace a fatalist theology. According to you, God has decreed everything" This is the standard insult Arminians hurl at Calvinists.
You cant see the forest for the trees, you are so busy trying to figure out if Pharaoh hardened his own heart or why did God ask him questions, trying to prove free will, but if you step back and examine scripture you would see before going into this story God had already planed (decreed) the whole scenario.
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1689Baptist 1 year ago
That everything that happened was God hardening Pharaoh's heart yes even though Pharaoh hardening his own heart. We find in Ch.3 God already knew..Exo 3:19 And I am sure that the king of Egypt will not let you go... and in Ch.7 God decreed...Exo 7:3 And I will harden Pharaoh's heart, and multiply my signs and my wonders in the land of Egypt. In Romans 9 Paul gives us the reason...
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1689Baptist 1 year ago
Rom 9:15 For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
Rom 9:16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God that sheweth mercy.
Rom 9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
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1689Baptist 1 year ago
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Rom 9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
Rom 9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
Rom 9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@vonmitchell If you're answer is "yes," then we are in agreement and our exchange is concluded. If your response is "no," then you're the one who needs to explain why the word "refuse" is used in Ex. 7:14, 8:2 and 10:3? I didn't put it there. God did! Besides, Pharaoh agreed to let the people go twice in Exodus 8...further refuting your "no" response. Think about all of this. Have a nice day. I need to tend to some errands.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@vonmitchell The key question is: Was Pharaoh capable of releasing the Israelites after the hardening took place? Yes or no?
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@vonmitchell You didn't say that God hardened Pharaoh's heart in Exodus 5...but James White said it. I have an idea...why don't you discuss the matter with him first, come to a decision as to whether the hardening took place by Ex. 5 or in Exodus 7...and then we can continue our dialogue?
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@vonmitchell Exodus 8 doesn't say that God hardened Pharaoh's heart. Rather, it says that Pharaoh hardened his own heart. If you don't believe me, read Ex. 8:15 and Ex. 8:32.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@vonmitchell God did NOT harden Pharaoh's heart until Exodus 7, not by Exodus 5 as Reformers like James White and others claim. When Calvinists stop denying what Scripture has to say and accept this biblical fact, they will come to a fuller understanding about the true character of our Maker.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@vonmitchell LOL. You're right! The Scriptures speak for themselves. God showed mercy to Pharaoh and Egypt. As proof, when Pharaoh temporarily "CHOSE" to release the Isrealites TWICE in Exodus 8, the plagues stopped.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@vonmitchell You assume that Romans 9 is about individual election. Contrary to what you and other Reformers think, it's about individuals. False precepts lead to faulty conclusions.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@vonmitchell Regarding Pharaoh, we need to interpret Romans 9 based on the events that took place back in the Book of Exodus...not the other way around.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@vonmitchell What about that Scripture? "What does Romans 9:17-18 actually teach? The answer: Even though God knew beforehand that Pharaoh would need to experience a tremendous display of His power before he would agree to release the Israelites, He raised him up anyway so that His power would not only become known to Egypt but also to the enire world." (Louis Ruggiero, The God of Calvinism: a Rebuttal of Reformed Theology, page 193)
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
good Job LOU!!
Arielcay1 1 year ago
God will ask someone a question, such as he did to Adam and Eve when they were hiding from him in the garden, or Cain after he had killed his brother Abel, while God himself all along knows the answer to that question, as he did to Pharaoh in Exodus 10:3.
rhoadess 1 year ago
This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensual, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusion and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partiality, and without hypocrisy. And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.
James 3:15-18 KJV
rhoadess 1 year ago
Didn't I already make video responses and answer your 10 Challenges to Reformers???
prchdaword 1 year ago
@prchdaword Well, you tried, but you didn't do a very good job. How could you? After all, the defense of your position just wasn't biblical, was based totally on conjecture, and was completely illogical.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@LOUISRUGG So just curious, then but did you see the 12 or 13 videos that were in response to your 10 Challenges? Cause all I did was read from Exodus and examine your own claim and meet your challenges with other Scriptures....you are aware of that right? Could you also point out the "conjecture" of my arguments and responses? That would be helpful Thanks and God bless.
prchdaword 1 year ago
@prchdaword Just curious...Can you put the word "refuse" in a sentence where the person refusing isn't able?
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@JadeMiner Exactly. You worded this with more clarity than I was able to convey!
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@JadeMiner
Hi.
My post was directed to Mr. Ruggerio.
If you wish to speak to me please private message me.
Thanks.
:)
reformedman 1 year ago
I think that I understand why you are confused about this passage, please be patient and try to be understanding, I may not be eloquent with this.
Your perception of this verse is God said he would harden Pharoah's heart, and then Pharoah later on hardened his own heart. If I understand you, you are saying that God knew he would, that's why he said he would harden Pharoah's heart.
After all is said and done, why then would God say that HE would do the hardening? It seems so clear.
-peace
reformedman 1 year ago
@reformedman PLease understand that I'm not the one confused about the incidents that took place in Ex chapters 3-10. It is the Reformers who are confused. I'm just trying to help them understand and explain to them that we serve a loving and merciful God, not the kind of God who hardens men's hearts rendering them unable to respond to Him and then punishes them because of their inability to respond. But thanks for your message anyway.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@LOUISRUGG Thank you for your answer and your patience with me, but further..
My intention is not to show whether God is a merciless tyrant nor a God of blind love. Instead, my question was posed in order for you to please tell me as concisely as you can in the short of amount of space that we are graced by youtube to write in; Did God do what He said HE would do, or did He not. It must be one or the other. I will not force the answer. If you feel it is not a yes/no answer then please elaborate.
reformedman 1 year ago
@reformedman OK, allow me to summarize: God hardened Pharaoh's heart by humiliating him in defeat. As a result of this defeat, the Egyptian king hardened his own heart. But that doesn't mean that Pharaoh was rendered incapable of releasing the Israelites. He was merely refusing. God knew this would happen. This is why God told Moses what he did in Ex. 3:19-20 and in Ex. 4:21. Hope this helps.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@LOUISRUGG
In fact I think it helps you.
Now that you expressed yourself concisely and to the point, this summarized posit is what you could have given to Dr. White.
My interpretation on the contrary, is that mankind needs no help to be evil. God affords common-grace to all so that they are bearable and tolerable. Therefore, God took away his grace of goodness from pharoah and allowed him to be stone cold hard.
God hardened him by removing what wasn't his in the 1st place, any trace of goodness
reformedman 1 year ago
@reformedman Hi! First of all I was prepared to explain my position to White. He admitted that he has my God of Calvinism: a Rebuttal of Reformed Theology book. My position is fully explained on pages 192-207 in my work. He knows what the Bible teaches, but he REFUSES to face it. As far as your "common grace" position is concerned, with all due respect it is a theory contrived by Reformed theologians so they can reinforce their mischaracterization of God. It is a theory which is unbiblical.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
reformedman 1 year ago
@JadeMiner Great comment!
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
I believe this man James White is a deceiver. For many reasons but he makes it plain by his own words in this video at 7:38. You say you don't want to misrepresent him, and it is clear that you don't. Yet he insinuates that you do, which is a serpent-like accusation, and then he tries to dominate by numbers (which have nothing to do with the truth) by saying MOST PEOPLE would agree with him--also a conveniently (for him) unprovable fact.
I don't regard James White as an authority.
Enoch2 1 year ago
Amen! We are told back in Exo. 3:19 that God is sure the king of Egypt won't let the people go. God foresaw what the decision would be and allowed pharoah to make it.
Even R.C. Sproul states that the hardening was passive, allowing Pharoah to make the decisions he (Pharoah) wanted to make.
'God hardened Pharoah's heart by forcing him to an issue against which he hardened his own heart in refusal. (scofield note)
edwardpf123 1 year ago
@edwardpf123 You stated this simply and welll.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@JadeMiner Wow, hearing what the word "hardened" literally means in Hebrew really helps illuminate the process by which the hardening took place. In order to 'strengthen' Pharoh's heart, a challenge had to be given FIRST. The gauntlet was thrown (the rod and plagues). In RESPONSE to the gauntlet, Pharaoh bowed up against God. Clearly, Pharaoh's heart could not be strengthened/bowed up against God until God had FIRST given him evidence of His OWN supremeness (shown through the rod/plagues).
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@JadeMiner>"God simply challenged Pharaoh with the rod, and later with the plagues. And Pharaoh responded with "strengthened" pride and arrogance. aka "hardened his heart" "
This is profound. I can see parallels with God's challenge to Pharaoh with rod and plagues strengthening his pride and arrogance (hardening his heart), to what Calvin's "ism" does to Calvinists.
Its all together opposite to what happened to Job's heart.
This is meat for deep thought. Thanks for your comment.
peace
barbsinclair 1 year ago
I wonder if God has hardened James White's heart beforehand so that he will not listen to anything Lou Rugg has to say about the subject.
VicGeorge2K6 1 year ago
Some may blame God for all the evil sin in the world. After all, they believe God planed everything that will ever happen. In the book of Job, God allows Satan to kill all ten of Job's children, doesn't the blame fall on God? Job did not blame God or charge God with wrong. When God answered Job, he did not tell him about Satan, he just questioned Job. The conclusion I come to then is that there is more going on that we just don't understand, as did Job, who was restored after enduring.
rhoadess 1 year ago
@JadeMiner Precisely Jade. Unfortunately the Calvinists don't want to accept this because it totally destroys their man-made belief system.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
Here is what I see regarding Pharaoh that I think calvinists miss. If God sends Moses to tell Pharaoh to "Let my people go", it means that he was enslaving Gods people already.
Ex 2:11And it came to pass in those days, when Moses was grown, that he went out unto his brethren (the Children of Isreal), and looked on THEIR BURDENS: and he spied an Egyptian smiting an Hebrew, one of his brethren.
prn72271 1 year ago
@prn72271 cont: Moses spends 40 years in midian after he flees Pharoah, then God speaks to him - Ex 3. (Moses was approx. 80)
Now we have 40 years passing and God people are still being burdened and enslaved. I say that to say Pharaoh was already an oppressor way before God hardened His heart. Its not as if God took up a nice young man and hardened him, he was already a abusive slavemaster.
In that it matters not really about the hardening but moreso the character of pharaoh.
prn72271 1 year ago
@prn72271 I think you bring up a good point. Pharaoh was already an abusive slave master. Now, God, Master of all masters, steps in and says these are my people, let them go---and here's evidence that I am Lord of lords (rod/plagues). Instead of submitting, Pharaoh resists God's command, therefore exposing himself for who he was (not God's child). God did harden Pharaoh's heart but He didn't do it arbitrarily, rather He did it BY giving a command which Pharaoh hardened his own heart against.
boltingpuppies 1 year ago
@boltingpuppies I agree with you!
prn72271 1 year ago
Who hardened Pharoahs heart?
October31st1517 1 year ago
@October31st1517 Pharaoh hardened his heart.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
@LOUISRUGG And the LORD said to Moses, “When you go back to Egypt, see that you do all those wonders before Pharaoh which I have put in your hand. But I will harden his heart, so that he will not let the people go. Ex 4:21
Who hardened Pharoah's heart and for what purpose?
October31st1517 1 year ago
@October31st1517 Mark, I've known you a long time. You may be in denial, but you're not stupid. But I'll go slow anyway just in case. God hardened Pharaoh's heart by humiliating him in defeat. As a result of this defeat, the Egyptian king hardened his own heart. But that doesn't mean that Pharaoh was rendered incapable of releasing the Israelites. He was merely refusing. God knew this would happen. This is why God told Moses what he did in Ex. 3:19-20 and in Ex. 4:21. Have a nice day.
LOUISRUGG 1 year ago
An interesting presentation
YahyaSnow 1 year ago
lCor3:18 Let no man deceive himself. If any man among you seemeth to be
wise in this world, let him become a fool, that he may be wise.
Matthew18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become *as little children*, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Sometimes theology gets in the way of humility. I was amazed to hear this same James White suggest God decrees rape etc, so wrong: Isaiah 5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil;... . Very risky.
zacqt 1 year ago
..in addition, i wonder if even Pharaoh's heart wasn't "troubled"again, after the water destroyed his army. Even Judas knew that he made a real dumb decision>Matt27:3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself,... .
Even the so called "totally depraved" have a conscience,=capacity think, the biggest problem for us humans is we were made subject to vanity(Romans8v20)<This verse suggest even God knew there was a risk in making non-robots. lPeter1v7.
zacqt 1 year ago
@zacqt Well, fancy meeting you here, LOL why am I not surprised!
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist arrrr brother Jeff- you been holding out on me, i only just discovered this LOUISRUGG channel last night, i'm surprised you never told me about it before.
Jeff, this is a good video to watch: "(Pt1) God's Sovereignty and Man's Free Will"
Jeremiah19:5 They have built also the high places of Baal, to burn their sons
with fire for burnt offerings unto Baal, which I commanded not,
nor spake it, *neither came it into my mind:*
Hmmm, time to get the shovel out & bury that flower power.
zacqt 1 year ago
@zacqt Ooooh yes! *neither came it into my mind:* Poor old God just didn't know it was going to happen! LOL
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist RE: Jeremiah19:5...*neither came it into my mind:* If it wasn't considered by God, it was the result of the free will of man with help from God's enemy-Satan, who also like us was made with a free will & subject to vanity-Rom8v20. Even man can make robots, God in His genius made us with free will. What would you prefer:(a) a wind up or battery operated toy dog. Or (b)a real dog that could discern between a robber or a friend?.
John10v34&35. the clay is made in The Potters image.
zacqt 1 year ago
@zacqt Sir, *neither came it into my mind:* is a figure of speech that people still use today, all God is saying is I would never require such a sacrifice as burning your children so why are you doing it, This in no way means God did not know it was going to happen or that God did not decree it.
Man could never be a robot b/c he has the ability to think and reason, even if god has determined all things we still understand what we do and understand if it is right or wrong,
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1689Baptist 1 year ago
This knowledge is what God holds us accountable for NOT FREE WILL Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being UNDERSTOOD by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: So this Idea that God can't hold us accountable unless we can freely choose what is right or wrong is debunked. It is understanding PERIOD.
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1689Baptist 1 year ago
"John10v34&35. the clay is made in The Potters image" Those verses have nothing to do with the image of God, but be that as it may, we are made in God's image. What is that image? The image is righteousness and intellect (the ability to think logically), righteousness was lost in the fall, and the ability to think logically was damaged. The natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, b/c they are spiritually discerned.
1689Baptist 1 year ago
@1689Baptist now you have just made God into some double talking man. How can God decree something that never entered His mind. He in this verse is talking. The verse also says that God didnt COMMAND it.
This in every way means that God didnt decree it.
Geez, its as if nothing in the scriptures make plain sense when it comes to calvinism.
prn72271 1 year ago
@prn72271 Never entered His mind, huh? Poor old God just don't know nothin! You need to think a little bit before you speak!
1689Baptist 1 year ago
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prn72271 1 year ago
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@1689Baptist before telling me to think you should look at how foolish what you saying is. God says He didnt think to tell the Children of Isreal to sin in such a manner but you say He decreed and Ordained it, its part of His secret will isnt it?
Talk about the need to think before your speaking.
prn72271 1 year ago
@prn72271 Have you ever heard of the term anthropomorphism?
1689Baptist 1 year ago
Louis, since we do not know our future, but we believe in a God who has a punishment for sinners in the other world, we are given a sense of urgency to know what not and what to do, in order to avoid that punishment. That is where Bible study comes in, that is where obedience to God's commandments comes in. Jesus said: If you love me, you will obey my commandments. James 4:17 KJV Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin. see verse 13-16 for context
rhoadess 1 year ago
Louis, admit defeat. I know, it's difficult and nearly impossible to accept that God would force anyone, without their knowing it, to do as Pharaoh did, but the Biblical evidence says otherwise. As I have told you and others before, the way around it, the way to get any sense of free will, is to know that, just as Pharaoh did not know his future, neither do we. No one knows if they themselves are of the so called elect, but God the Father. Jesus only knows if his Father tells him.
rhoadess 1 year ago
@rhoadess
Why not encourage White to debate Louis so people can come to their own conclusions?
YahyaSnow 1 year ago
James White proud? No way! LOL ;)
tonyb408 1 year ago