My Brain + Watson 349 = Response to ProfessorAnton =)

[paul00078]

Smoke weed you'll figure these things out for yourself

[rockinfaceplant0000]

lol i was looking for the pill watson 349

[AmandaAthiest]

Animals have more acute senses than humans(hearing, touch, smell, etc.) so they can often percieve things we can't. A person whose been living in the woods a long time is more attuned than a person who works in a noisy factory. There is no evidence that there are special "waves" of knowing in the galaxy or whatever. It's all about how sensitive the brain is to stimuli and the sensitivity varies. You're right though, language is like a shortcut.

[FeministWhore]

@AmandaAthiest - dammit! I forgot about that "evidence" stuff again! pesky rational thinkers with the constant requirement of "evidence" and "empiricism"! :-)

[xxxild]

I listened. But still, when you put up that picture of Vicodin I laughed my ass off.

[DackIsBack]

Language is just sounds we make and symbols we draw to reach a better understanding lol.

It kinda fails tho, Damn semantics.

[DackIsBack]

The waves you're talking about are called Binaural.

[DackIsBack]

@DackIsBack Well sort of, Binaural recordings are only in the range of 20Hz to 20kHz

[Cashify]

:) LANGUAGE, whether spoken or just thought, is what disables teh ability to know. True knowledge floods forth into the consciousness where the babbling, questioning , dicriminatory intellect has finally shut the f*ck up.

See the Youtube viddy called "How it feels to have a stroke."

[Professoranton]

Lots of folks would agree that language is a kind of fall, a mistake, a wrong turn, in that it issue the responsibility of freedom, the capacity to deviate from nature's order. Walter Ong too suggest that speech is a cry!.  Great stuff.

I guess I find the Logos, language, as a key element of the gift that we are.

Thanks for the video!

[Cashify]

@Professoranton only languange differentiates a pathology from a gift and vice versa.

[Divinity33372]

"Did I mention I took a Vicodine?" lol I love it!

[FeministWhore]

@Divinity33372 - lol I know... not that I don't think/theorize/philosophize that sorta trippy stuff when I'm not on vicodin, it's just I usually keep it hush-hush :-P

[alowlyapprentice]

I just realized how new agey this video is. I think I'm learning something new about you. PA has postulated that language may mask or hinder a connectedness we have with our environment. Oh sooo New Agey. *giggle. I'm not saying that is a bad thing. Just slapping a label on it tis all.

Did you read my comments on PA's video?

[FeministWhore]

@alowlyapprentice - totally new age bullshit. and just as dangerous as every other religion imo, which is why I keep it out of my politics, ya know what i mean? I could wax philosophical like nobody's bizness, Just wish others kept their wooishness out of their politics too! Friggin' quantum physics.

[alowlyapprentice]

@FeministWhore I'm sending you some warm fuzzy vibes through the space time continuum on the waves of our quantum entangled non local oneness. LOL!

[FeministWhore]

@alowlyapprentice - I didn't read your comments, I'm gonna go do it now!

[DonF72]

I don't think we ever had that ability. Evolution only loses traits that are no longer useful to a species(like feathers on a penguin). We simply have not been in an environment that needs the abilities to perceive infrared(like some insects are said to perceive) and sonic vision(like bats use to detect prey and predators). So in order for us to gain those abilities, we'd have to endure a lot of suffering in the right environment. Instead, humans have become enormously prosperous.

[FeministWhore]

@DonF72 - isn't it at least refreshing that I'm not talking about feminism? ;-)

[DonF72]

@FeministWhore Haha you'd think, but I love listening to everything revolving around logic and reasoning no matter whether it involves social science or the hard sciences :). I can discuss it here instead of boring my girlfriend to tears. You present a very logical edge to feminism that I am not used to seeing, normally it is pure emotion(that I see anyway). I don't mind emotion when it comes to music or suspension of disbelief, but when it comes to science, the less emotion the better.

[alowlyapprentice]

That frakkin damned gift concept! ARGGH!

Language is partially an expression of delay of gratification. In so that it can compress time to draw the future to the present. The most obvious expression is that concepts and thoughts may be imparted across time always with an expectation of something in the future. But how is meaning imparted? Is it the self modeling action of language itself or is there something beyond the temporal qualities of language?

All fuzzy. Teh Heee... ツ

[DonF72]

@alowlyapprentice well considering language exists in the insect and arachnid world, I think it's a bit less complex than that. And if you've studied ants and bees(which I'm sure you have), there really is no self in a colony.

[alowlyapprentice]

@DonF72 I see what you are saying. But there is a fundamental difference. One which helps make us unique in the animal kingdom. And that is that our language is self modeling. A drone does not introduce new concepts into the hive. And the act of dancing to inform the other bees of nectar does not inject new concepts or alter the other bees. Bees do not create new dances based on old ones. It is complex for us. We conceptualize the past, present & future with these concepts modeled by language.

[DonF72]

@alowlyapprentice Language is simply a tool to convey complex information to another person or animal. Language has evolved, because the information we gather now is much more advanced than the people before us. Math is an abstract language constant that we have taken on in order to help explain the universe around us. Without mathematics, we would only have the most basic information revolving around Physics. Perception of time has been around before humans as well.

[alowlyapprentice]

@DonF72 Language evolves because we can create. A trait we share with few other animals. We are the best creators or the most prolific in such endeavors. Math is conceptual. And it is anything but constant. The word dude is a constant. Yet different meanings can be imparted to it based on context and use. The same holds true for math. Math is abstract, but the only constants are the numbers we use. We invent new uses for these numbers all the time. These uses affect future uses.

[DonF72]

@alowlyapprentice I completely disagree. Thousands upon thousands of species that create things(Decorator crabs create for instance). Saying, we are the best creators is also very subjective I would argue. Math is a constant because 1+1 will always be 2 no matter what. Sure you can change the "1" to a "~" but it is still a constant no matter how language forms around it. If it weren't a constant, there would be ZERO use for physics as everything we have studied so far could change, not buying it

[DonF72]

@DonF72 I'm tired so my grammar sucks, but you get the point.

[alowlyapprentice]

@DonF72 I said the constant was numbers. So we are not in disagreement on that. It is how we use those numbers that changes. Those numbers are used with in a context of conceptualization. Conceptualized using language

I'm not saying we are the only beings that create. But we are the most prolific creators. I know it was a subjective statement. Did you not notice I placed the word "or" in there?

Tell me that set theory were constants as well as concepts of infinity were around before man.

[DonF72]

@alowlyapprentice numbers = mathematics. Mathematics is a universal language we use to explain measurements. I believe you are overusing conceptualization a bit much.

Saying we are the most prolific creators is a bit arrogant and assumes we are the only sentient species in the entire universe. We don't even have the capability to fathom infinity, we are in essence labeling an unknown(hence the joke infinity+1). Radiometric dating also lends itself to time before man. We study the past.

[alowlyapprentice]

@DonF72 Mathematics is the use of numbers. Not the numbers themselves. Language is not letters, it is the use of letters. Are you just arguing to argue? Cuz that's what it seems like. This is a conceptual, somewhat abstract topic. Not a literal what time is it and I look at my watch topic. These mathematical concepts whether you think are within our grasp in their totality is beside the point. Concepts themselves affect us. They do so because they get used.

[DonF72]

@alowlyapprentice You are making it into an abstract which is muddying the waters so to speak. This is why I said you are overusing conceptualization. You are using philosophy to describe a tool(language) when there is such an incredibly simple explanation for it. You are complicating something that does not need to be complicated and that is the reason for the argument.

[alowlyapprentice]

@DonF72 Well, you think it is simple and I do not. I agree to disagree.

[DonF72]

@alowlyapprentice I recommend you research Evolutionary Linguistics, it just might change your mind.

[alowlyapprentice]

@DonF72 I'm familiar with evolutionary linguistics. I hear what you are saying. It's a different aspect of language which I was not discussing. As I said we were trying to have a discussion in two different arenas of discourse.

[alowlyapprentice]

@DonF72 when it comes to time i was referring to how language affects our perception of time and that language allows us to conceptualize time in a way few animals can.

Bees have been dancing the same fox trot for ages. We are living our lives in an ever evolving dance party. Taking the last dance we saw and making it our own. This party was here before I was born, and it will be here long after. That is language.

[DonF72]

@alowlyapprentice Language doesn't affect our perception of time, it's the other way around. We describe sunrise, noon and sunset, it does not describe what we say. Language is communication, without living beings, there is no language, period.

[alowlyapprentice]

@DonF72 We are talking about two different things here.

[alowlyapprentice]

@DonF72 BTW some languages don't use certain tenses. So it does affect our perception of time. Chinese for instance does not really have tenses for verbs. They use language in different ways to convey something's placement in time. And since you think in a language your perception of time is affected by that language.

[DonF72]

@alowlyapprentice Language has no impact on our perception of time, it is only used to convey the measurements. You are using philosophy to discuss hard sciences and it simply cannot delve into hard sciences from that perspective. This is one of the PRIMARY reasons that religion has inhibited science for so long, because its philosophy simply cannot grasp the fundamentals of hard sciences. Arguing semantics is a philosophical dilemma, not a scientific dilemma.

[alowlyapprentice]

@DonF72 This video is not a physics video. This topic is a philosophical topic. And to go from metaphors into non metaphorical discussion using that which was once used as a metaphor is trolling. If you are gonna do that say so. Sheeesh.

[DonF72]

@alowlyapprentice If you'll notice my first comment was in relation to evolution as the video illustrates characteristic we might or might not have had in prior generations. It was very relevant to the video. You are turning language into this complex web of poetic prose and philosophy when it can best be described(IMO) by Anthropology. That is where the argument stems from.

[alowlyapprentice]

@DonF72 I did notice it. Yet you responded to my comment. We just aren't in the same arena of discussion on this topic which is fine with me. This video is in response to ProfessorAnton and that is the nature of discourse for those topics.

[alowlyapprentice]

@DonF72 You think I'm poetic. Thanks. ツ

[FeministWhore]

@alowlyapprentice - ah and look, look what our concepts have wrought. Death, destruction, war, fear, hate, shame.... if we were meant to be drones too, to already 'know' the all of all there is to know, if we never lost the ability to know, would we need to invent the new? and to learn through trial and error to use the new... too much error. Could be losing the ability to perceive the all of the all, though it's been that way for aeons, is a detrimental mutation that will kill our species.

[FeministWhore]

@alowlyapprentice - ah but is it truly a new concept? or just a bit of normally unperceived 'wave' of information or knowledge getting through to particular individuals being perceived and then communicated.... I've lost all my tough bitch cred, haven't I? lol :-P

[alowlyapprentice]

@FeministWhore You have mui cred with me. We know you are not 100% bitch. And I like it when I get to hear you cover other topics with different parts of your personality.

[alowlyapprentice]

@FeministWhore (1) Language it self is not a new concept within the existence of humanity. The wave you speak of is not just information but it is also a modality of communication. As waves may change while undulating through space so does language. Language not only conveys concepts but has an inherent capability to change concepts and facilitate the formation of new ones. It is self modeling. (cont)

[alowlyapprentice]

@FeministWhore (2) The act of using language changes the language and the concepts conveyed by it. And then the concepts feedback into language to change it. It is a socio-cultural feedback loop of utility with our creativity always injecting things into this loop. (cont)

[alowlyapprentice]

@FeministWhore (3) My blurbs on time where more abstract then a baby crying. Everything you do or say is an expression of a desire for a future. Whether it be 1 minute from now or 10 years from now. these desires are expressed through through and contain with thought and concepts. These thoughts and concepts are most often conveyed via language. Hence language is an attempt to affect our future. (cont)

[alowlyapprentice]

@FeministWhore (4) If we had no spoken language conveying of a concept would take a very very very long time. So, we affect the future and bring in it nearer to us by using language to convey and impart our desire for things in the future. But language, I think, affects time both perceptually and in a more literal sense. Expression of our understanding of time occurs within the context of language. And is thus affected by language. (cont)

[alowlyapprentice]

@FeministWhore (5) As far as meaning goes I was referring to something even more abstract than what you stated. But certainly not in a definitive sense that cold means lack of heat. And part of it is the imparting feelings or desires. It was meant in more of a what does it mean to do something or be something. How do your actions impart meaning to your life? How do you impart meaning to your actions? The BIG sense of the word meaning. It was ill placed in this discussion. (cont)

[alowlyapprentice]

@FeministWhore (6) The future is now? A concept you imparted to me via language. You just messed with the space time continuum. See what I mean. (END)

[FeministWhore]

@alowlyapprentice - know what really messes with the space-time continuum? YOUTUBE'S 500 CHARACTER LIMIT!!!!! srsly. Youtube is text-oppressive. I don't think 'Meaning' is ill placed, just that it's IMPOSSIBLE WITH THIS 500 CHARACTER LIMIT to actually hash out the meaning of meaning. I think, well, for me, I think about language as a way to save the past, capture memory, or at least that's the angle I was coming from here with the religion/death stuff I'd seen in a few of prof.'s recent vids. ♥

[Cashify]

@FeministWhore yeah, it's pretty oppressive for philosophy discussions, and needless, as if the community couldn't self police abuse of limitless comments with the spam button.

[dreamedblue]

@alowlyapprentice Oh, my. ... My, my, my. ... My brain hurts. You're way too complex for character limit! I think I'll stick to talking musica with you, 'cause I couldn't keep up with your intricate thoughts :)

[alowlyapprentice]

@dreamedblue Yeah, it's some messed up writing. The interaction/argument/discussio­n/whatevah with DonF72 can be followed. I'm not as concise as ProfessorAnton and certainly not used to that method of discourse. Talking about the act of talking and how that act affects us can be hard to follow or even elaborate on. *sigh.

I have not encountered any cool new music as of late. I'm bummed about that. Be assured the next chance I get to curse you with a song to remain in your head I will. ツ

[dreamedblue]

@alowlyapprentice lol - I was just teasing you; trying to tell you how complex your thoughts are. Wasn't at all implying they're too abstract (not that that's a bad thing, anyway).

And...I'm *still* listening to "It's Okay" by Land of Talk. Sigh... Thanks for givine it to me. I guess now is when I obnoxiously over-quote song lyrics...nah, I'll spare ya.

...drivin' in the night... hehe ~*~*~*~*~*~

[alowlyapprentice]

@dreamedblue My long assed comment is full of typos and errors. *sigh. I doubt I could make anyone's brain hurt. But I'm sure I can make them a little dizzy.

I will take a quote from you anytime you care to give one.

lighting up the dark... XD

[FeministWhore]

@alowlyapprentice - lol, yeah I dunno if I'd call it a gift, but I get what he was meaning mostly, ... and the "frakkin" and "arggh" lol - am I that person who goes around dredging up topics other people want to get away from? sanchez price list stuff and gifts of cosmos connection, for example... I blame the pharmeceutical industry for this one! :-) ... con't

[FeministWhore]

@alowlyapprentice the compress time to draw the future to the present – do you mean like to make the gratification come faster... with my infant crying ex. It is to get mom or pop there quicker? Is that how you mean? I also think the very process of capturing memory (through speech, art, movement, symbols, all those nonverbal lang. stuffs) brings the past to the present and distorts time, (con't)

[FeministWhore]

@alowlyapprentice … past to the present and distorts time, hence the whatever speeding up of time that I heard some dude? talk about once on BookTV. Or was it just the perception? … because without the language stuffs (all stuffs) to record it, recall it, it fades very quickly. Which then we'd be into that whole death stuff too, fear of, denial of, acceptance of being mortal, being forgotten. I believe the future is now, just somewhere else. I'm totally high, I'd never admit this otherwise!

[FeministWhore]

@alowlyapprentice - and on imparting meaning - do you mean more imparting the meaning into our feelings, desires, whick are expressed through language? or defining the meaning of the actual language?

[alowlyapprentice]

@FeministWhore I'm gonna write in a text editor in case my reply is long.

[CousinoMacul]

wtf? lol!