Hearts and Minds /US and Israel lobby/12 /05/ 2009/ part1

[Metsada007]

Of course the US will not "pressure" Israel. The US is a terrorist state, like Israel. There is very little difference between the two states. They thrive on massacres and wars and invasions.

[Metsada007]

Finkelstein is a very brave and honest man. There aren't many people like him in the West.

[steute2011]

I think for the first time I have seen an Israeli representative actually say there have been misyakes on both sides and not just the Palestinians. He should be commended for that and his statement that he supports 1000% ending the occupation. Good to see.

[kshaq22]

The Israeli looks like he has nose job done.

[Soloman1001]

@caekface

Inane comment.

[VirtuosoX1]

where the fuck has the humility and self respect in the world gone?

[goringorin77]

Norman worse than a pedophile. He is destroying the souls of young people.

[chisler000009]

SOLOMAN1001, As if I'm going to take a guy who sees the ENTIRE Islamic faith as a "Satanic Cult" seriously. Your consistent dick-riding of Israel, combined with your numerous, PANICKED postings in defence of their war crimes would suggest that you do not deserve to be taken seriously.

[chisler000009]

Man, SOLOMAN1001 is such a fucking joke it's halarious. He clearly sees himself as some sort of intellectual superior (as is evidenced by his obsessive use of the word "cretin") and yet EVERY SINGLE one of his posts are so soaked with bias in favor of Israel that you can't possibly take any of his shit seriously.

[Soloman1001]

@chisler000009

So i take it you dont like Israel then? (Rhetorical)

Brainwashed young fool, why do you live your life by the rules of a paedophile rapist sinner named Muhammad as explained in the Quran and Hadith?

[Braindrain3]

@Soloman1001 so I take it you follow the bible and Moses who gave his daughter up to be gang raped and almost sacrificed his son to please and protect "angels". Yeah, that is a much better improvement from mohammad.

[Soloman1001]

@Braindrain3

No because I dont live my life by moses actions you silly fool, you obviously do not understand how muslims and the islam works do you ignoramus. Go away, do some homework, not more because you will be starting from square one, then get back to me, Okidoki!

In the meantime some advice, muslims see muhammad as the perfect example of the perfect muslim man. That includes what he did and what he thought..now pls run run along and stop embarrassing yourself.

[uchihaangelus]

@Soloman1001 I find it funny how all talk of the Israel/Palestine conflict delves into religious debate when the issue itself has nothing to do with religion and all to do with LAND.

What Moses, Jesus or Muhammad did has utterly no relevance to the Israeli actions in the present middle east.  Those stubborn enough to think so only wish to change the actual subject of debate.

[Soloman1001]

@uchihaangelus

Totally incorrect. You couldnt be further from the truth if you tried to get there on your own. Your thinking is that of a basic atheist. Let me help you sort out the conundrum of the middle east because you obviously do not understand Islam.

The muslims cannot allow infidels to conquer and hold one conquered islamic land or territory, do you understand this. Have you read the Hamas charter or Hezbollahs beliefs. I suggest you educate yourself to what they believe in.

[Soloman1001]

@uchihaangelus

Its all on the internet, just look up the hamas charter. If dont understand islam then you are the ignorant person here who shouldnt really be giving his uninformed opinion about a subject that you dont understand.

[Soloman1001]

@uchihaangelus

If you dont think that the muslims take this stuff seriously, then just wacth the news everyday and see how many are blowing themselves up for Allah. Time for you to wake up, these people are deadly serious.

[xasia1000]

I think US will just use israel to control the midle east, in the end if israel will lose control over the region they will be the only guilty ones, if israel can keep control over the region US-Israel will have a great partnership. During the last 1600 years we (the crestians) pushed jewish around so it is natural from their side to desire a secure independent state.In Palestine a few arabs died but in the eyes of history that is a small price to pay.In the end we all die...

[Soloman1001]

Norms has been Hypnotically programmed by Tehran and has a microchip embedded in his greasy skull to talk utter shit about Israel and the west.

BTW..Islam is a Satanic Cult.

[Soloman1001]

@drumsforpete

Why do i live in fear? And why do my sayings keep bouncing back at me, have'nt you got any imagination of your own you creepy muslim.

[drumsforpete]

@Soloman1001 All good Solomon, just chill out. Not a Muslim here, you have no clue. I'm just a guy who sees both sides making huge mistakes. Mistakes that end up costing innocent people their lives. You might be missing the big picture. Not interested in personal attacks on you or anyone. Just fed up with the all the endless hateful rhetoric, it only leads to the same thing every time. Intelligent criticism can be healthy, but slandering and spewing BS never is.

[Soloman1001]

@drumsforpete

I am as chilled as cucumber, i get annoyed by World wide stupidity and supporting people who talk utter nonsense. Finkelsteins aim is to sell books with arguing a babbling contrarian idea that the muslims and Communists sympathize with. So state your case and then explain why i live in fear? as you stated. Do you purport to understand Islam?

[drumsforpete]

@Soloman1001 I agree that stupidity and nonsense is always highly annoying. Argumentum ad hominem is the lowest form of unintelligent debate IMO. Suggesting people have microchips implanted in their "greasy skull" is a perfect example of same (notwithstanding schoolyard profanity inter alia). Want more from me? OK. All three Abrahamic Monotheisms are guilty of faith based murder. Myopic, obsessive and irrational criticism of one player solves nothing. Moreover, it is classic circular logic.

[Soloman1001]

@drumsforpete

The only problem is that islam is a false abrahamic faith, if you understood it you would know that, its a Satanic Bigoted Politically Practised Hate Cult. Islam is practised as a Theocracy and is a lifestyle ideology, Christianity isnt, are you getting it yet?

[drumsforpete]

@Soloman1001 I suggest you coin your own brilliant phrase "Satanic Bigoted Politically Practised Hate Cult" but shorten it to "SBPPHC" , which will be about as memorable as your vapid contributions here. You can then take your message to a global audience (if you dare) and debate your detractors on the international stage as Norman Finkelstein does. Until then, if you can intelligently refute one single point he has made here with empirical evidence to the contrary, I'll continue w/you.

[Soloman1001]

@drumsforpete

So you dont think that Islam is SBPPHC then?

To be honest i find Finkelstein the most mind numbingly self deluded babbling book promotor out there, but i will come back to you, in the meantime see if you can answer my question or refute it if you dare. I dont have books on mind numbing babbling nonsense like Finkelstein because i feel i have more self respect than he does promoting the contrarian nonsense argument just so i can make money.

[Soloman1001]

@drumsforpete

I managed to get through a couple of minutes of this garbage video.

What part of Battling a Theocraticaly Practised Hate Cult Ideology dont you understand?

[Soloman1001]

@drumsforpete

I always find it amusing when one side of a problem is debated, namely Israel as if the other more potent and agressive side doesnt exist, lets just attack one side so we can get our cantrarian books sold to the ignoramus leftwing dumbasses out there who are looking for a Marxist Communist utopia with allah as its supreme leader..LOL!

[Soloman1001]

@drumsforpete

And BTW, i am taking my message to a global audience right here and with a Finkelstein global audience od 4000 views so far. I know armchair internet politicians with more viewing than Finkelsteins YT videos.

[mistersumthing]

@Soloman1001 you've also got the IQ of a cucumber

[Soloman1001]

@mistersumthing

And you're a cretin.

[chisler000009]

@Soloman1001 what is that your favorite fucking term?!

[Soloman1001]

@chisler000009

Alot of cretins about these days.

[flimpkin4]

Handsome dude, ol' Norman.

[JoJo9900]

why does norman keep looking to the front, he doesn't turn his head sideways at all .. ??

[coas21]

'Frankensteins monster'

-----Maryla Husyt Finkelstein, Norman's mother

[oldjoe5]

What the US needs to do is put Israel in the list of terrorist states and arrest all the Israeli Firsters who are embedded in the US power structure.

[DarthVeel]

the BBC is state owned and run....how is that acceptable and an iranian state run channel is not?

covert racism?

[nasri1011]

@DarthVeel

The BBC is not state run.

no one in the government is allowed to be employed in the BBC.

it totally independent from state.

and is owned by the UK population, who pay the license fee.

not the government..

[DarthVeel]

@nasri1011

Really....which Iranian government employee works at press tv then?

The British government controls and regulates the BBC license fee and holds incredible influence over it.

Get over your pathetic worship of the West.

[nasri1011]

@DarthVeel

i never said the Iranian government works at press tv.

i dont know anything at all about press tv.

yes the goverment controls the fee that the public pay.

so the bbc cant abuse the fee.

but they have have no influence on anything else.

if you have evidence they do you should report it.

it will be a hell of a scandal.

pointing out that the BBC is independent is hardly "pathetic worship of the West"

don't be so dramatic.

[politicalcustard]

i like the debate on this particular issue though it's a shame Press TV is run by the Iranian state, which makes it less than unbiased!

[politicalcustard]

I think you'll find I did not claim that anybody was unbiased.

To clarify: I do not like my news to come from state run organisations and I do not like it to come from corporations either. There are some alternatives to the above such as FSTV, Democracy Now, BBC etc. (though I'm not claiming that either of these are perfect by any means but at least they're reasonably free of excessive bias, i.e. they won't get shut down because certain people in power don't like what they say.

[optimistsRUS]

@politicalcustard,

You put BBC in the same sentence as DemocracyNow? When was the last time BBC invited Noam Chomsky or Norman Finkelstein or invited victims of militarized US colonies such as Guam and Diego Garcia? Oh, I forgot that Diego Garcia was a British Colony and the British carried out ethnic-cleansing before handing it over to their partners in USA.

[politicalcustard]

@optimistsRUS

Putting these news organisations in the same sentence hardly means I'm saying they're equivalent.

You're quite wrong about Chomsky, Guam and Diego Garcia being on the BBC (including criticism of the UK); as a simple google search shows.

[optimistsRUS]

@politicalcustard,

My point was that BBC is not comparable to DemocracyNow, BBC is like CNN-lite, they tell you a little bit more but still don't give you a neutral point of view.

BBC banned an ad by an aid organization that wanted to collect funds to aid Gaza victims of Israeli war crimes when Israel killed 1417 Palestinians (more than half of them children and women) in three weeks and you call them an alternative news source?

[politicalcustard]

@CassavetesHalo

Of course you're never going to find totally unbiased coverage. Some are better than others. Iranian state TV has an agenda, you just take that into account when watching it.

[solysoly89]

where is the part 3? what a bad service