Joe Friendly with Prof Jim Fetzer 9/11 Truth 1st show 1st pt

[todd900]

why is the hippies hand on uncle fetzers lap?

[ishredu]

damned 500 character limit!] also take note on how much damage these charges are doing yet the building still stands until the very last of the charges has finished exploding..giving people a better idea of exactly how much damage a building can take before it actually falls into it's own footprint. fascinating.

[joefriendly]

Yes, that is an important lesson from viewing the controlled demolition in New Haven. Pesty SkyKing185 tries to insist the collapse of the penthouse of Building 7 should be the start of the count, but that little collapse is but a revealing clue that some of the preperatory beam cutting had begun, before the big comedown in 6.5 seconds. Thanks again for pointing out the video.

[bones555a]

Fezter has been dropped from the 9/11 Truth movement for discrediting it with talk of space beams and nukes, and for intentionally looking like a fool on TV while supposedly representing the Truth movement.

[joefriendly]

Jim Fetzer arranged a 9/11 conference in Madison, Wisconsin August 3,4-5, 2007 with presenters including Judy Wood, Morgan Reynolds, Ace Baker, all of whom gave impressively substantive talks to back up their difficult to imagine claims. In particular,

for an aluminum airplane to slice through the heavy steel perimeter columns of the WTC towers as if through butter points to TV trickery. Such images were not live but presented by networks after the fact

[pschelden]

Lame. The official story is true. Osama bin Laden has countlessly admitted to his role in the 9/11 attacks. To deny Al Qaeda's role in the attacks is like denying the Nazis' role in the Holocaust. This is numerological hocus pocus made legitimate-sounding via sciency terms.

[joefriendly]

Osama bin Laden released a video 9/17/01 praising 9/11 participants, claiming no part in it, stating his religious faith compelled him to tell the truth. US Gov't forbid presenting the video to the public claiming it might have terrorist instructions. Bin Laden released 2nd video 9/26/01 denying 9/11 involvement. US forbid publication. Finally, in December, the US cooked up a sham video it claimed was bin Laden bragging about 9/ll, a guy with a shorter nose and not bin Laden's voice. Yuk.

[joefriendly]

Ain't it strange the company hired for WTC clean up happened to be "Controlled Demolition, Incorporated" one of the 10 companies in the US most experienced in demolishing skyscrapers? For the towers to each come down in about 11 seconds could not be the structural failure scenario of the official story, with the steel INSTANTLY giving up its incredible strength as if it were air! But it is normal in controlled demolition for buildings to come down fast like that. Get it?

[pschelden]

Smoke + mirrors = conspiracy theory. To keep a conspiracy of the massive scale required to cover up a 9/11 plot, tens of thousands of people would have to shut up or be silenced. There is no evidence (real, hard evidence) that this is the case. And these people, tens of thousands of them, would have to be convinced that the 9/11 plot to kill thousands of innocent people was actually *better* than the alternative.

[pschelden]

I can't even imagine a scenario in which tens of thousands of U.S. citizens from both the public and private sector would unquestioningly accept such a motive, and then those same citizens would remain unquestioningly silent even after the events were exposed on a massive scale to the public at large. This would require more secrecy than any Communist plot, ex. Mao's starvation of 38 million in exchange for nuclear weapons, which legitimate historians accept as true.

[pschelden]

I just can't imagine how all of this would be accomplished by a president who has time and time showed incompetency. But, I guess your imagination is better than mine. Much, much livelier, at least.

[joefriendly]

I agree Bush is too incompetent to have pulled off

9/11. He may not have been in the loop. Seems his

being told Air Force One's secret codes were known to the terrorists required his flying West to Air Force base, were to keep him scared and compliant with the real movers, Cheney, Rummy, Condi, Zelikow. Zelikow describes his areas of expertise, the creation and maintenance of public myth. Check him out, what he was doing since 1998.

[joefriendly]

Lately, I have been considering that the Washington, DC firm, Booz, Allen, Hamilton was hired to make the arrangements, which would minimize the number of government employees involved in the 9/11 scam.

Booz Allen has among its employees a past director of the CIA. The firm apparently hired for the WTC demolition, Controlled Demolition, Inc did get the contract for the cleanup, so they could be counted on not to point to evidence of controlled demolition.

[ishredu]

hey Joe, dig this! about ten or so years ago I heard ALL sky scrapping buildings either in an inner city or simply surounded by other structures are ALL pre wired to implode..I heard this as i said ten years ago, do you think the "conspiracy" may just be trying to hide that fact? I would be interested in finding someone who actually knows if that is true or not...it does make sense to do that to control collateral damage caused perhaps by tornado's etc.

[joefriendly]

I have no information one way or another for the proposition you offer, that whole groups of tall buildings in a city are required to be wired to be so vulnerable to total annihilation, but my instincts urge it isn't so.

[ishredu]

well I'll say this, these buildings certainly had help falling..any person with a modicum of common sense can see that as the case,for me it almost doesn't matter how they did it, just the fact that someone did do it and I find it insulting that this Govt. thinks we can be THAT STUPID! reading some of the comments I see they have in fact "fooled" some people. I think it's disgusting the Rudy AKA "the pimp" used some of the dead as pot hole filler I knew he was a bad man but wow!

[joefriendly]

ishredu, I agree the main point is how all three WTC buildings fell had to be controlled demolition not the nonsensical idea that such symmetrical collapse could be due to jet fuel fire softening steel. I was just maintaining that the demolition had to be set up in the month or so before 9/11, like in 911Mysteries it is pointed out that WTC Towers occupants were complaining there was unusual amounts of dust coming from the building's air vents in the month before.

[ishredu]

I would agree with that jet fuel just wouldn't burn hot enough long enough, while both buildings had a plane and fuel in them the actual damage done is clearly worlds apart yet the buildings fall exactly the same way...not likely. we agree. Joe, check out a video on my page called the new haven coliseum implosion. I was at this implosion and it is a great video because of the skeletal nature of the building allowing you to see exactly how implosions are set up and exploded!

[ishredu]

the official story is true? lol it's not even realistic, shit it isn't even possible! next time at least think before you make a comment

[tiggerfox]

Exotic weapons, mixed causation, coorelation without causation, etc. with about as much evidence as the official story.  Don't make us attack your credibility with your own words, Jim. We're not interested in your fantasies, only the truth.