Brilliant editing. Wonderful song. Amazing man. Thank you SO much for posting this. I honestly believe he is the best character in the POTC trilogy and I am very sad I will not be seeing him in the 4th. RIP James. Well... at least in the movies. Role Plays and fan fictions are so much fun. lol!
Even after all this time I am still absolutely in love with this video. Every time I hear this song I think of this video and Norrington. Thank you so much for creating this.
it is indeed! I'm close to being done with the first part (finally!) and if I keep myself at it, the whole thing should be done by Christmas. My name is Mayhem O'Malley over there. :D
I must add that on the rare occasion Norrington tried to get a glimpse of happiness, the world would just shit on him. All the other characters got what they wanted no matter what the means were, but Norrington always ended up alone and miserable. Someone who puts up with that much shit and ends up doing the right thing in the end is a hero.
Housepet, I commend you for the logical reasoning. You are 100% correct, and you've nailed the reasons why I think Norrington is the best character in the films. Thank you for commenting!
And to Orlandotwit, I've let you post so many times on this video and spread your ignorant ravings time and time again. No more. If you post any more negative comments slandering Norrington, I will block you from posting AND remove the comments.
In the second movie, Norrington falls from grace, which happens to anyone who is human. People change when they are unmercifully thrown into the world. Throughout this entire story Norrington struggles with his emotions over the man he has become; therefore, he attempts to regain his honor. He realizes that he went about it entirely the wrong way & finally chooses the side of Elizabeth, ergo he chose the Brethren. He dies for what is right, fulfilling his destiny in the fight against evil.
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Icecreamhead was the moron who sailed into a hurricane. He brought it on himself. Will thought he lost Elizabeth, but you don't see him being all nasty. Regain his honor? He sold his soul! He never realized that he was wrong because he always wanted to kill any1 assoc. with pirates, like he told Elizabeth. He never told Elizabeth about the fleet. If he chose her side, kissing her and trying to shoot Bootstrap don't help.
Through a combination of harsh treatment from his father & life in the Navy, James Norrington learned to school his features, hiding the multitude of emotions underneath. You would know this if you followed the back story. He was ambitious, but he was not a moron. When Elizabeth tried to manipulate him, Norrington saw it for what it was, but he knew the right thing to do was to save Will. In the end Norrington lets Jack escape because he knows that Jack is a good man.
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I think Icecreamhead is naturally like that. He's almost a robot, except without a brain. I think he just absorbed what his father taught him and it's reflected when he meets Jack. Jack saved Elizabeth and Norrington hated him and probably wished Elizabeth died rather than be saved by Jack. Not a moron? He looked shocked when she declared her love for Will. If he wasn't a moron, he'd not be surprised. If Elizabeth didn't trick him, he would've left Will as he planned to do.
I'll post it anyway. It'll just be broken & upside down. You cannot call Norrington inhuman; you have no grounds to do such. Being human is about making mistakes, learning from them, & then making amends. James Norrington did all of that. He was an honorable man in His Majestys Royal Navy, but he did know right from wrong & did not simply follow orders blindly. Under his hard exterior Norrington was a shy, sensitive, & generous man.
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Where did you see the "shy, sensitive&generous" side of him? Icecreamhead never learned from what he did. In the second film he regressed entirely and forgot what Will taught him. He didn't even help Elizabeth fight Beckett or kill Jones. If he killed Jones, at least, I could forgive him but he did nothing to save the pirates.
I wrote this huge argument in response to orlandogirl213. Unfortunately it has too many characters. So, I can't post it. I address some valid points though. But I did want to say that Will & Elizabeth stab their friends in the back countless times to achieve their own ends. While the emotional struggle in them is apparent, they never grow from this. Elizabeth became a leader because it was always in her nature to control & Will always had an air of cleverness to him, but he was not the only one.
Everyone seems to either love Jack or Will, I'm glad Norrington is getting some attention on YT at least as he is so underrated.....He is, by far, the most complex and well developed character in the entire series.....
Pirates of the Caribbean has a way of showing the good and evil in all the characters. Yes in the movie the pirates are who most of us root for. They were the rebels in a way. I don't think there were any good vs. evil. All the characters have reasons for the good and bad they do. Whether that be for love, freedom, or power they all had motives.
All in all there were no good vs. evil in the movies. There was character vs. character. At least in my opinion(:
Haha calling Norrington evil is absurd. Heck, he's probably more reliable than any of the pirates. And honestly, what does he owe Jack Sparrow or Will Turner? Sparrow is a pirate through and through, and Turner? If Turner didn't let Sparrow out of jail, Norrington never would've been in that situation. I'd draw swords against them under those circumstances.
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Norrington is a traitorus bastard who deserved more then what he got,he comprehended elizabeth wanted to be with will then he gets booted out of the navy, he joins pirates, betrays em and goes to EITC then he betrays them to free elizabeth and the crew, and thinks to get sympathy, norrington freeing elizabeth is not going to free you of all your past actions
I wouldn't say Norrington is a sociopath, I think he was blinded by pride and the overwhelming loss of his prior position that he lost faith. He was so desperate to earn back his honor that he put his prior moral code aside. Yes, I think he did himself in and what happened at the end was a little too late. But did he really deserve what he got? I don't think so.
How can you say he didn't deserve what he got? He sent people, pirate or not, to their deaths. He gave Beckett power to kill innocent men, women and children. He wasn't after honor because he doesn't have it. He wanted his career back. Blind? Yes. He has no redeeming qualities and he's pure evil. He's a superevil clone of Beckett.
Actually, it was probably Governor Swann, if any of the characters, that technically gave Beckett the power to kill innocent people. When Norrington came back, he was under Beckett in terms of hierarchy. It was also Beckett that commissioned those deaths, not Norrington. While I can understand someone taking the stance of disliking Norrington's character, I think the adjective "evil" or "superevil" is a bit excessive. Even so, are you sure you're not confusing Norrington with Beckett?
Norrington was Beckett's admiral and he brought people from the sea and Port Royal to be hanged. Norrington is evil. His siding with Beckett is just that. He tried to kill Jack and Will in Dead Man's Chest. He betrayed Elizabeth and Swann to Beckett. He was a coward. I think I've got the right person when I say evil. He's so evil, he makes Beckett and Jones look like saints.
Now I just want to touch on the fact I think that the world evil, being used in reference to Norrington's character is completely ridiculous.
According to Webster's definition of the word evil everyone in this movie could be taken for evil. I would post a definition but I think that if you're truly interested you can just go to google and look it up yourself. I get the feeling this argument will fall on deaf ears, or those of a complete fantard.
This movie showcases two very different worlds in terms of morals -
We've got the pirates, who are ultra-romanticized and then we have people like Norrington - the lawful good who have somehow in some people's views become evil.
Norrington has made his life serving the Navy, he has lived by a moral code very different as to what those pirates do.
In bringing those people in from the sea to hang them, he is doing his job, what is deemed right by the law of the nation he serves.
Pirates make their livings stealing, hurting other people, and breaking laws. If there were to be people like the characters in this movie running around in society today, people like you and I who appreciate our safety and our homes would view people like the pirates as evil, and people like Norrington as good. Norrington is doing his job. He is doing what he feels is right. It's hardly logical to call him evil when you look at it this way.
Morally flawed, maybe - aren't we all? But evil? No.
Norrington stole and hurt people. He stole the letters and the heart which led to countless deaths of innocent people. Norrington's doing his job serving Beckett, which is wickedness. Norrington is doing what he can to make himself happy. Swann died because of his treachery and Elizabeth could've died, but did he care? No. Norrington isn't morally flawed. He's as deranged as Bellatrix Lestrange of Harry Potter. He makes Beckett and Blackbeard look decent!
Norrington is evil all around. He turned his back on Elizabeth and Swann, 2 people who cared about him. He served Beckett and killed people who had nothing to do with piracy. He hanged a boy, how is that not evil? And if siding with Beckett isn't evil, I don't know what is. Norrington doesn't have a moral code because he wants to kill Will, even though Will never did wrong to him.
I beg to differ - Will did do something to him - Elizabeth was his love interest. They were going to be married, if I'm correct, I'm not all that familiar with the movies because they aren't that wonderful to me.
Will kind of got in the way of that whole affair. I think that counts as something.
Norrington does not hurt people for the sheer joy of it. There is reasoning behind what he does. Bellatrix Lestrange hurts people because it tickles her.
Will wasn't pursuing Elizabeth. He only told her he loved her because he thought he was going to die saving Jack. Elizabeth made the choice to marry Will. Will had nothing to do with Elizabeth's decision. If Norrington understood love, he'd leave Will&Elizabeth alone. As for hurting people, he chucked sand in Will's face and liked it. He certainly felt no remorse for those people in At World's End, not even for a child. That's quite similar to Bellatrix if you ask me.
Will Turner broke the law. Will Turner is not a hero, neither is Jack Sparrow, Elizabeth Swan, nor her father.
Will Turner has killed men, soldiers, and other murderers alike. He has consorted with known felons (other pirates) and has, without skill I might add, knowingly taken command of a ship of pirates. He is a pirate, and does things against the law. Norrington is doing his job, he is not evil. Calling norrington evil is like calling police officers and military men evil. Ridiculous!
This is Disney, so Will and the others are the heroes. Will only does what he can to protect those he loves. And he was pushed into that life by Norrington. Will knows what's right morally and what is right morally is not right legally, such as leaving a good man like Jack to die. Will is not a monster like Norrington. Will doesn't hang children or other innocents who have nothing to do with piracy. He also doesn't fake bravery or turn on those he loves. Norrington did that only for himself.
As I said, Norrington turned his back on the 2 people who cared about him. Elizabeth may not love him, but at least she cared to save him from misery in Tortuga, and Norrington rewards her by handing her over to her enemy. Norrington does his job well, if you mean killing innocent people because he's told to do so. If he were doing his job, he'd arrest Beckett and put an end to his murders. Instead, he joined him and helped him murder people and called it justice. I'd say that's villainous.
Norrington didn't hang the child, or any of the people on the gallows in the AWE opening. Beckett had taken charge of Port Royal, and what could Norrington do, alone and surrounded by soldiers, to stop him?
His problem is that he has too much of a moral compass. He's a bit Jekyll and Hyde...he's either Commodore and honorable, or he's a particularly ruthless pirate and a little bit sadistic. Norrington doesn't do well in morally grey worlds, which is why he had to die.
Norrington is responsible for bringing those people to the gallows, being Beckett's admiral. I say he's not Lando Calrissian. Lando only betrayed Han for his people and he redeemed himself in 1 movie. Norrington betrayed for himself and didn't redeem himself. I do agree he had to die. He never proved he was good, so I think he got what he deserved.
People tend to be more angry with James for his selfishness than they are with anyone else's selfishness. He doesn't rush off after Lizzie in CotBP: Why? He has all of Port Royal to keep safe, all those wounded and dead civilians to tend to, and letters to write to the families of his dead soldiers. Rushing off after Lizzie, while romantic, would have been very selfish of him. People forget that he was the first character to be betrayed by a friend in a really painful way.
Elizabeth's life was on the line. If he did waited&Will did nothing, Elizabeth would've died. He's a coward for waiting. Besides, Elizabeth didn't betray him. She didn't want to marry him. Who would? If she betrayed him, she would've dropped him once she saved Will, but she didn't. She was forced to keep her promise until Will told her he loved her. She couldn't keep away from the 1 she loved. Is it really selfish she wanted to marry Will and not that creep Norrington? Besides, he let her go.
Exactly. He let her go. If he was truly a selfish, creep like you say, he wouldn't have released her from their engagement, he would have forced her to marry him. He let her go because he wanted her to be happy, and he knew she would be happy with Will. Lizzie lied to James by telling him she wanted to marry him (Deleted CotBP senes...watch them). James said he wouldn't force her to keep the engagement, and Lizzie lied and said she wanted to, and that she had feelings for him. She used him.
He almost forced her to marry him. He wanted to leave Will 2 die until Elizabeth said she'd marry him. If she hadn't said she wanted to marry him, Norrington wouldn't have gone after Will. She had no choice. Besides, if he couldn't see Elizabeth didn't love him, that's his dumb fault. He did want her to himself, or else he wouldn't have tried to leave Will for dead. And his actions in the sequels prove how craven, selfish, and genrally evil person.
It's not forcing if he asked and she said yes, and she DID accept. If "almost" counted, Jack should be condemned for "almost" taking advantage of Lizzie on the island! Gov. Swann also wanted to leave Will to die, and I don't see you condemning him for it. If you're going to condemn James for being selfish, you should also condemn Jack, Lizzie, and Will for their equally "craven" and selfish acts. I just can't see how you justify calling James evil when everyone else is just as bad, if not worse.
He only said he wanted a fine woman for his wife. He never asked again. She had no choice. If she didn't, he would've left Will. I do hate Swann for that, 2. There's nothing selfish about Jack, Elizabeth, or Will. Jack wanted his ship and Will&Elizabeth wanted to marry. Nothing selfish about that. Craven means cowardly, if you didn't know. Norrington is evil. He sided w/the enemy and innocent people died. He also cares about a stupid job, not lives. Will, Elizabeth&Jack r better than that.
James wants his job, Jack wants his ship, Lizzie wants Will. Lizzie wanting to go after Will WAS selfish. She put the lives of hundreds of sailors at terrible risk because she wanted something for herself. If James only cares about his job, why would he resign at all? If he only cared about his job, why does he end up on Tortuga, guilt-stricken over losing his crew in the hurricane? If he was evil and heartless, he would have just kept on with his job after that. He cares very much about lives
Will's life was at stake and leaving him to die was wrong. Will is an innocent citizen and the sailors are supposed to die for him. Serve and protect. Norrington wouldn't be wanted by the Navy after what he did. If he was a good man, he would've kept his job. Norrington doesn't care. The fact he killed most of his men sailing through a hurricane proves that. All he cared about was catching Jack. He didn't care about those people in At World's End that were hanged. He cares 4 nothing but himself
It's ridiculous to ask several hundred sailors to risk their lives for one blacksmith who has willingly broken the law. How would James keeping his job after the hurricane prove that he was a good man? He resigned out of guilt for his poor decisions and selfishness! How does that make him a bad and evil man? That shows that he feels remorse and recognizes his weaknesses. I agree, his actions in DMC are selfish, but he's acting like a pirate, just like everyone else.
Will only saved Elizabeth. You'd think Norrington would thank him for that. Norrington's not acting like a pirate they are better than him. Norrington is angry with Will for being engaged to Elizabeth. If Norrington understood love, he'd not be angry. Norrington resigning proves how stupid he is. He proceeds to whine about how he lost his career because of Jack, when it's his fault. Norrington is so wicked. He thought his career was more important than Will saving his father. How good is that?
So whoring, thieving, murdering men are better than him? How does that make sense? James DID thank Will, in his own way, as well as give his marriage to Lizzie his blessing at the end of BP. But that doesn't mean he can't be jealous. A person can understand love, but still be pissed off that their fiancee left them for another man. Will feels the same thing when Lizzie kisses Jack. That's human, not evil. James didn't expect to rejoin the Navy at the end, he expected to be a licensed pirate.
Anyone is better than Norrington. Norrington didnt want to save Will. There's his sense of gratitude. Norrington has no right or reason to be jealous because he loved his career more than her and he gave her up. He wanted a trophy wife, not a real wife. Will wasn't like that when Elizabeth kissed Jack. He didn't try to kill Jack afterwards. Norrington wanted Will dead. You call that human? Norrington fully expected his career back and didn't care that Elizabeth was in danger at the end.
I agree, James and Lizze are not well suited at ALL. Your ideas are very confused. On one hand you think James wants to force Lizzie to marry him and on the other you say that him giving her up means that he didn't care.You also seem to be pleased with his death, but say that if he had escaped to the Empress he would have been redeemed. Which is it? If you can find an example of his "evil" that can't possibly in any way be connected to feelings the other characters also feel, I'll be impressed.
Norrington only wanted Elizabeth as a trophy wife, but he didn't love her so that's why he doesn't care. If he escaped to the Empress and fought against Beckett, he'd be redeemed, but he didn't and tried to kill Bootstrap and almost killed Elizabeth so he's not redeemed. Did Norrington ever question Beckett hanging all those people, or hanging a child? No. He let Beckett do that and helped him. If Norrington not questioning the hangings isn't evil, Idk what is.
I don't think he loved her, as much as he loved the idea of her, so I agree on that one. He didn't escape because he had no time. Lizzie saw Bootstrap threatening him, and was coming back to the Dutchman to help him. He severed the rope so she would escape, which shows that he values her life. I would have preferred him living, since the movie would have been more interesting. Most of James' character development that would show his compassion was cut for time purposes. Clearly, it was a mistake
Norrington wasted time. Bootstrap didn't threaten anyone. Norrington tried to kill Elizabeth, that's why he shot the rope. He was aiming for her head, but he missed. Elizabeth could've drowned, too. He doesn't value her life. He only wanted her alive to get to Will. He didn't care that he condemned her to death when he went to Beckett, why would he care now? Since there were no scenes showing him questioning the hangings, it proves he has no remorse.
I'm sorry, what?! Where do you get the idea he wanted to shoot her? Did you watch the scene at all? Bootstrap was raising the alarm, which meant Lizzie would be REcaptured. James severing the rope meant that she could escape. The way that scene was filmed in NO WAY even hints that James was aiming to kill her. She's a smart girl, if he had aimed at her, she would have noticed. If he wanted her dead, he could have just waited for morning. Why help her and her crew escape? Your idea makes no sense
He was so pissed at her for being engaged to Will that's why he didnt care when he took the heart. He only wanted her to escape because he wanted Will dead. However, Bootstrap ruined his chance so he was forced to shoot Elizabeth. And Elizabeth didn't notice because she was climbing the rope. Elizabeth could've held the crew back long enough to escape anyway. She is strong and there's no way she'd be recaptured. Therefore, IceCreamHead looks even more evil.
He knew Elizabeth was going to Shipwreck Cove, even if he told her not to. He knows wherever she goes, Will is sure to be. He wanted Elizabeth to escape so he could follow her to Shipwreck and kill Will. Alas for him, he failed. Norrington deceived us in the 2nd movie, he can't be trusted again.
You need to rewatch the movies without your Orlie-colored glasses (as hard as that might be, I know he's very pretty) so you actually notice the rest of the plot. You've basically rewritten the movies based on your obsession, and added character elements that don't exist. Better yet, play BP with the writer commentary.
How do we know for sure Norrington isn't being deceitful? That's all that's left in him. I've listened to the writer's commentary on Curse of the Black Pearl and there's nothing in there that says Norrington's a good man. Nothing can convince me Norrington is a good man. The fact he gives Jones the sword that ends up in Will's chest later (and knowing Norrington hated Will) is my proof how evil Norrington is.
And how do we know for sure that Will isn't an abusive git who will beat Lizzie once his 10 years are up? Everyone betrays everyone in these movies, so by your logic they're all deceitful. Your argument that just because the movie doesn't explicitly say "James is a good man" is full of holes, and can apply to all the characters. Unless you're suggesting that James could see the future, stabbing Jones with his sword as he was dying is in no way connected to Will's death.
I know Will's character because he does everything for Elizabeth's benefit so it's not like him to start abusing her. My statement cannot be applied to everyone. We know Elizabeth loves Will and she is good, Jack is a good man(the whole point, really) but IceCreamHead is clearly not a good man since he does Beckett's bidding and leaves innocents to die. IceCreamHead knew Norrington would be happy to kill Will. It would be pointless for him to just stab Jones knowing he can't die.
I didn't get the deathstab thing, either, but AWE was an awfully written movie as a whole. You say you know Will's character. You've clearly thought about it. I've thought about James' character, very in depth considering I write him in fanfic, and while he makes some truly horrible mistakes that have awful consequences, nothing leads me to the conclusion that he is the vindictive sociopath you claim he is. Or perhaps you've found some script pages or cut scenes I haven't seen?
He took the heart knowing it was bad for Beckett to have the heart. That's not vindictive? I know he wanted to hang Elizabeth and her crew when he captured them. It was in a rough script. He captured Elizabeth, and she attacked him for his part in Swann's death. He then told her she and her men would hang. If that's not evil, I don't know what is.
Yes, taking the heart was vindictive. It was selfish. It was a pirate-like act. There's a reason the script you refer to is a rough draft: it has problems that were fixed later. Rough drafts are not reliable sources.
You still haven't presented any unbiased evidence, based on the films, that show James' evil nature. Everything you've brought up has been severely slanted. Do you have any examples that aren't based on your love of the other characters? Anything based on James himself?
He killed most of his crew sailing through a hurricane just to catch Jack. He sold his soul to the Devil for a career he sucked at, nevermind the fact that lives were at stake. Did he ever show remorse for his actions? No. He just sat back and kissed Beckett's butt and did his bidding without question.
BP tells us that he was exceptionally good at his career, hence being promoted to such a high office at age 28. He did kill most of his crew on that quest and promptly resigned, left behind his riches, and his comfortable life for a hellish one. Why do you think he did that if not out of guilt, shame, and selfloathing? James operates on facial expression more than dialogue. Does he look happy to be serving Beckett in AWE? Does he look gleeful when he gets his sword back? He does not. Any more?
How many bad pirates did he kill before he met Jack? 0. He only caught the bad pirates(Barbossa's crew) thanks 2 Jack. Norrington left everything behind because he's stupid. I'd say IceCreamHead looked quite content being Beckett's dog and getting his sword back. It doesn't make sense if he wasn't. He got what he wanted and it cost lives. Did he ever do anything for Swann's benefit? He and Swann were friends, but he let Beckett kill him.
Jack himself tells us that James has basically wiped out all the real pirates in the Caribbean, including the rum runners. "Because he's stupid" is your opinion and can't be backed up with film OR prior script-based character evidence. What film based evidence do you have that James was happy working for Beckett? Do you have similar evidence to prove that James knew Beckett planned to kill Swann? Only filmed script is viable.
Blaming Jack, Will,&Elizabeth for losing his career is pretty dumb to me considering Norrington losing everything is his fault. Norrington didn't object to Beckett, did he? Did he take down Beckett in any way? No. He knew Beckett had Swann under his power, but he didn't do anything to stop him. He just let Swann die.
He only blames Jack. He fights Will because Jack does some manipulating and convinces him that it was Will's fault. James' exact words in Tortuga are "the pursuit cost me my crew". Not "Jack cost me my crew". As for him not taking Beckett down, letting things go from bad to worse, I don't like that either Not at all. But based on his expressions and vocal tone, he was not happy working for Beckett, therefore he did not enjoy anything Beckett did. Still no proof he knew of plans for Swann's death
He didn't help Swann, either, did he? Norrington still fought Will and it's not like he liked Will anyway. He still did nothing to stop Beckett so that only convinces me more that he had no problem. Besides, he ambitioned to rid the world of pirates and under Beckett, he was doing just that
I just rewatched the office scene of AWE and noticed several points. 1: James was not in charge of anything until that scene. Before that DJ was doing the dirty work. 2: Swann signed the execution orders 3: Swann and James share a look that suggests they have been discussing the problems with Beckett. I say suggest because the scene where they try to stab the heart was cut for timing. I've seen a screencap of this. (Also, James isn't the only one making deals with Beckett. Jack and Will do, too)
IceCreamHead was Beckett's admiral, he had to be responsible for those hangings. Norrington stopping Swann doesn't do any good, either. And when Jack and Will made deals with Beckett, no one was harmed.
Had to be? But how do you know for sure? Do you remember why James stopped Swann? To save him from the fate of being FD Captain. Personally, I would have preferred James to live, fight in the maelstrom battle, and stab the heart himself. But I didn't get to write the script, sadly. You still haven't given any evidence that James takes pleasure in watching people suffer. Doing nothing to stop it is not the same as enjoying it. Are there any film examples of him truly being sadistically happy?
Norrington had to have brought people to the gallows for Beckett. If he let Swann stab the heart, we'd be rid of Jones and half the problem would be solved. But No! I would've preferred IceCreamHead to stab the heart 2(because he'd never be free and he'd have to cut out his heart, which I would do personally) He kicked sand in Will's face, which has to hurt, and he was smiling when he did it.
But then Swann would have to suffer. Or is it ok with you that Lizzie's dad has that fate? If kicking sand in Will's face during a fight is the best evidence you have, that's pretty weak. He did it to distract him and slow him down. Jack did the same to Will in BP in the smithy, Lizzie did the same to James on Tortuga. Sadistic pleasure in the pain of others is caused for no purpose other than enjoyment. Any examples of that?
Swann would be alive and live forever if he stabbed the heart. Elizabeth wouldn't mind that, neither would I. I much prefer Norrignton doing it though. Norrington was perfectly happy leaving Will to die in the first movie. If that's not sadistic, I don't know what is. Norrington is the worst villain of the trilogy. He's so evil he makes Beckett and Jones look decent
There it is: you don't know what sadistic means. Definition: 1: a sexual perversion in which gratification is obtained by the infliction of physical or mental pain on others (as on a love object) a: delight in cruelty b: excessive cruelty. (Meriam-Webster) Can you prove to me with film evidence that James ENJOYED the idea of Will dying? It's quite a stretch from "was not in charge" to "was perfectly happy". Will's fate was Swann's decision as he was the superior.
Norrington is cruel to Will all the time because he loves Elizabeth. Having him out of the way would make Norrington's day so he could have Elizabeth to himself. He was in charge of where the ship was going, not Swann. He had no intention of saving Will until Elizabeth spoke up. Norrington tried to kill Will numerous times before( he tried to blow up the Interceptor with Jack&Will aboard.) and more in Dead Man's Chest. He thinks Will's scum for helping Jack.
Prove how he is cruel to him. What scenes? Swann is governor, and that trumps Commodore. How do you know for sure he had no intention of saving Will? Trying to incapacitate the Interceptor was not an intent to kill Will, but an attempt to stop Jack escaping. His statement about seeing her sunk was an expression of his disgust for pirates, which is well deserved. Besides, I though James didn't care about Lizzie? If he doesn't care, if he just wants a trophy wife, why does she matter?
When Will comes in to help save Elizabeth, Norrington tells him to leave. He calls Will rash when Will saved Elizabeth and Norrington didn't. Norrington was going to leave Will even when he saved Elizabeth. Will still could've been harmed by canonfire. Well, he can't let Will have Elizabeth can he? Norrington wants to marry Elizabeth to have her as a trophy. If she said she'll marry him, of course he'll do it
Will WAS being rash. James knew they had to save Lizzie, her dad was standing right there! Telling Will to leave is not cruel especially when Will was being so irrational and unhelpful, throwing axes around. James' only failing in that situation was that he was unwilling to ask Jack for help.The fact remains that James DOES let Will have Lizzie and tells him to take care of her. Whatever he wanted, what he DID is what counts.He askes Lizzie where her heart truly lies. If he didn't care, why ask?
But when Will came in, Norrington wanted to escort him out and Will only wanted to help. He only threw his ax because Norrington wasn't listening and wasting time. Norrington is blind and doesn't see the needs of others. He asked because he never considered Elizabeth didn't love him.
But he asked. If he wanted her as his wife that badly, he would just grab her back from Will. Will did want to help, but he was going about it in the wrong way. Will and James knew eachother well. It's widely accepted that James first taught the young Will to swordfight. They have no reason to hate each other at all, and there is no evidence that they do. I really can't figure out why you're so desperate to hate James, since you don't have any proof of his being evil or hateable.
He doesn't listen to any of our characters. In the second, he ratted them all out to Beckett, knowing the consequences. In at World's End, he does nothing for the benefit of our characters and doesn't do anything to take down Beckett or Jones. Therefore, what he did is never put right. He didn't even say he was sorry for what he did. Idk why people call him James. He's not worthy of such a nice name. IceCreamHead is more like it. Norrington is evil, people just choose not to see it.
And you refuse to see anything good about him because you prefer looking at Orlando instead of paying attention to the story or the acting. Before you start throwing around accusations like "evil" you should really have a better argument, and make sure you've read into the other side of it. I would love to watch the movies with you so you could explain what you're seeing and I could explain what I'm seeing. Really, you're the only person I've met who thinks he's sadistic and cruel.
It's not just Orlando I'm looking at. I'm not the only person who thinks of Norrington as cruel, cowardly, etc. Sirius Black in Harry Potter says everyone has light&dark sides, but what side we act on makes us who we are. Norrington chose to act on his dark side, and that makes him who he is.
"The world isn't divided into good people and Death Eaters". Some characters operate in the middle ground, and sometimes viewers can't wrap their brains around that. If he weren't such a complex character with complex motivations, this debate wouldn't exist. He's not meant to be simply "good" or "bad" like the other characters.That's what anti-heroes are. Will always sides with Lizzie. Jack sides with what benefits him at the time. James doesn't have money or a woman to make that choice for him
I thought he loved Elizabeth(as most claim he did). If IceCreamHead were in Harry Potter, he'd be a Death Eater for sure. He sided with Beckett, so it's like siding with Voldemort. There is no middle ground with IceCreamHead. Snape is more complex than he is. At least Snape is the way he is because he was teased, sided with the bad guys, and lost the 1 he loved. Norrington has no reason to side with the bad guys.
Beckett is a man over-obsessed with business, and Voldemort is like Hitler. There is really no comparison. Though I think Beckett would work for Voldemort if he had the chance. James heard that Beckett was bad from Gibbs and Jack, both pirates. James does not like pirates. It makes sense that if Beckett was bad news for pirates, James who dislikes them would want to work with Beckett. What reason does he have to side with Jack or Will? When have they ever done anything for him?
Beckett killed innocent people, so did Voldemort. They both wanted world domination. IceCreamHead had to have known Beckett was after Elizabeth and she's not pirate by that point. If he loved her(as many claim), why is he trying hard to kill her? Jack and Will helped him kill the bad pirates. They taught him right&wrong. He's mean to them for no reason, just like Snape is mean to Hagrid in Harry Potter.
Keeping the HP comparison, James is a lot like Snape. He doesn't get along with the heroes but he's against the uber bad guy and he can play for both sides. If James wasn't such a complex character, this debate wouldn't even exist. Will is easy. He will always side with Lizzie out of love. Jack sides with what benefits him most. James doesn't have such obvious reasons. He has to try to sort it out for himself. It just happens to go horribly wrong, much like Voldemort killing Lilly in HP.
James is a lot like Snape, an anti-hero. He doesn't get on with the heroes, he's against the uberbaddie, and he can play for both sides. If he wasn't complex this debate wouldn't exist. Will is easy to figure out. Out of love, he will always side with Lizzie. Jack will side with what benefits him most. James has to try to figure out what's right without anyone else, and it went horribly wrong, much like Voldemort killing Lilly on Snape's information.
Nah, even though I hate Snape right now, he's a better man than Norrington. He's lucky Elizabeth didn't die as a result of his selfishness and stupidity.
Funnily enough, your views of what's good and what's evil are very black and white, just like James. And for someone who hates him so much, you sure spend a lot of time thinking about him and his motivations. In the end, the film has the final say, and the script, the writers, the actor, and the director all agree that James sacrificed his life to get Lizzie off the Dutchman. Whatever you may want to think, the production staff views him as a tragic hero.
I assure you I do not think like a villain, like IceCreamHead. Isn't it up to us to interpret why he died? Norrington was never the hero and he switched sides to Beckett. It's not realistic that he'd switch sides in one night. He was working for Beckett till the very end, otherwise he would've told Elizabeth about the fleet.
I didn't say you think like a villain, I said you have a black and white view of good and evil. From your posts, I gather that your opinion is "If you're not with us, you're against us", which does not account for human mistakes at all. Actually, it's not up to us to interpret why he died. The writers made it damn clear he's a good man in a bad situation. PotC is a world of moral grayness, with no total good and total evil. Besides, it was Will's and Jack's deals that led to the maelstrom fight.
Well, Norrington wasn't with the good guys(Elizabeth, Will, etc.) then he's not a good man. With all he's done and the damage he caused, I can't believe he's a good man. If Elizabeth still hated his guts, how is the audience supposed to like him then? She told him she'd never forgive him and never speaks of him again. He put himself in the bad situation. I am certain he's the most villainous villain of Pirates. He endears himself to our heroes and stabs them in the back. Quite wicked, IMO.
So you agree, your views of good and bad are simplistic. If Lizzie wasn't upset by his death, why was she screaming "NO!" as he was stabbed? Or did she hallucinate and think he was Will or something else equally fabricated? You don't seem to get pissy with Will stabbing Jack in the back by dealing with Sao Feng, or Jack for betraying the Court by dealing with Beckett. Those actions led to the deaths of your good pirates as well. James died doing the right thing. No villain would do that.
How can she see it was him from where she was? If I were her, I'd b more concerned about my fatherinlaw than a traitor. I don't get PO'd with Will because no1 died and he was only trying to help his father. Jack is a good man and he made a plan with Will to kill Jones and I know that he wouldn't side with Beckett because he is the reason Jack wears a P on his wrist. How are u so sure of Norrington's intentions? After what he pulled, I'm certain he's evil. No good person would side with Beckett.
Thank you for taking the time to debate with her over Norry (that was a lot of posts, but I read them all!). I love James because he's the most complex character in the films, and he consistently acts human - a heroic human, but a human with flaws nonetheless. The other characters are flat and static with no character development.
Anyway, thanks again - she really goes on with no case, doesn't she? :)
You're welcome. Unfortunately, as you may know, to me, Icecreamhead is as far from human as you can get. And he's not heroic at all, unless you think endangering your friends to make yourself happy is heroic. The other characters do develop. Will was the shy blacksmith in COTBP, now he's wiser. Elizabeth was simply the Governor's daughter and she gets to be a leader. And what did Icecreamhead do?
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You got that right. Norrington is an animal. He is barely human. He'd eat Will alive if he could. But Norrington doesn't have a heart or feelings. He loves himself. Nice choice of a song
Norrington is the only character whose not completely out for his self. He serves the Royal Navy, the Empire, law and order. You have a very childish view of the world order, we need an authority, not piracy.
This is very well done. Glad to hear that someone else also liked him from before it was cool. I especially like how you brought out his clip about his chance for redemption. Overall, bravo with this video, I'm adding it to my favorites.
Wow! Amazing video! I loved him when he was an ice cream too. ( I just didn't know it yet) No, but seriously, I officially fell in love with him, well, in the 3rd movie when he proves to be an absolute hero. In the 1st movie, he was the character I really respected more than the others and I adored him, so adorable, but I really liked how the whole cast was perfect. 2nd movie I thought, "Norrington?!" but thought he was cool as a man fallen from grace,hoped he would be able to redeem himself tho
Not in my script he's not(a ghost)...and he's not brought back to life either.Have I gotten you wondering what the other options are? Good.I like to get people thinking,just dont think too hard...I don't want it to ruin the surprise(and it's a HUGE one!!)smile.Savvy?? :D Want to find out?....
Ooh,love the video!Too cool!I read the comments,and there seems to be a consensus of opinion about Norrington's death.Here's your chance.I have a screenplay/script for a Pirates 4.Norrington is very much alive along with many others.If you didn't like the way 2 or 3 turned out,I want to hear from you.If you guys would be interested in seeing it,let me know.The first 5 minutes blow both 2 and 3 away.You guys have the power to change the story.If I get enough feedback,I'm taking it to Disney.
This was too awesome. Great work with the editing and the song really suits him. This video definitely does him justice. I have always liked Norrington. Even in the first film where everybody seemed to hate him.
No need to kill the writers(although it IS tempting).What they don't know is,there's another part to the story...one even THEY didn't know about...and I've got it!!!Just think,you've been told about it before they have!! :D
Yeah...Norrington was my favorite even when he was still dressing like a giant ice cream. I'd love to see him, Sam West and Paul McGann in a Who-Has-the-best-Accent contest.
Elizabeth. Bootstrap supposedly didn't know what he was doing. He was a "crazy" half-man/half-barnacle taken over by the power of the Flying Dutchman, according to the movie.
awesome video! i really like on 3:32 when he filps his head around then on 3:34 his hair slowly blows in the wind,awesome editing,favorited,5 stars! :)
Yeha I agree I LOVED Norrington before everyone else too! At the beginning of the FIRST movie! He is AWESOME! I love Jack as well but I just have to say this: Norrington can do anything Jack can do...but he can do it in tights! lol
This song is perfect for Norrington. He's just so... troubled. The univerrse (aka writers) love to mess with his mind,
MyyyMommm 3 months ago
I love this!
worldunturning 3 months ago
wow this is just EPIC. i love it :D
SammadeProductions 8 months ago
Brilliant editing. Wonderful song. Amazing man. Thank you SO much for posting this. I honestly believe he is the best character in the POTC trilogy and I am very sad I will not be seeing him in the 4th. RIP James. Well... at least in the movies. Role Plays and fan fictions are so much fun. lol!
MerlinGirl20 11 months ago
Even after all this time I am still absolutely in love with this video. Every time I hear this song I think of this video and Norrington. Thank you so much for creating this.
housepet131 1 year ago
Norrington is the most tragic figure in whole POTC trilogy.
There has never been a good ending for that guy...
mortaljokes 1 year ago 4
just a betrayed soldier trying to survive
LtGenAile 1 year ago 2
Norry is amazing <3 I too loved him before loving him was cool.
This is perefct for him in every sense.
Abimonkey1 2 years ago 2
just wanted to say, I've put this video on the playlist I made for my Norrington story. It's very inspirational.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
Thank you very much! I'm very honored. Is your story on FF.N? If so, I'd very much like to read it!
Makani 2 years ago
it is indeed! I'm close to being done with the first part (finally!) and if I keep myself at it, the whole thing should be done by Christmas. My name is Mayhem O'Malley over there. :D
luckyjo03 2 years ago
I'll look you up! My name is Bleak December on FF.N, and while I haven't written any Norry stories, I love to read them!
Makani 2 years ago
Thank you. That's why I love this video so much. I feel that the clips & the song capture his struggle both beautifully & accurately!
housepet131 2 years ago
I must add that on the rare occasion Norrington tried to get a glimpse of happiness, the world would just shit on him. All the other characters got what they wanted no matter what the means were, but Norrington always ended up alone and miserable. Someone who puts up with that much shit and ends up doing the right thing in the end is a hero.
housepet131 2 years ago 14
Housepet, I commend you for the logical reasoning. You are 100% correct, and you've nailed the reasons why I think Norrington is the best character in the films. Thank you for commenting!
And to Orlandotwit, I've let you post so many times on this video and spread your ignorant ravings time and time again. No more. If you post any more negative comments slandering Norrington, I will block you from posting AND remove the comments.
Makani 2 years ago
In the second movie, Norrington falls from grace, which happens to anyone who is human. People change when they are unmercifully thrown into the world. Throughout this entire story Norrington struggles with his emotions over the man he has become; therefore, he attempts to regain his honor. He realizes that he went about it entirely the wrong way & finally chooses the side of Elizabeth, ergo he chose the Brethren. He dies for what is right, fulfilling his destiny in the fight against evil.
housepet131 2 years ago
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Icecreamhead was the moron who sailed into a hurricane. He brought it on himself. Will thought he lost Elizabeth, but you don't see him being all nasty. Regain his honor? He sold his soul! He never realized that he was wrong because he always wanted to kill any1 assoc. with pirates, like he told Elizabeth. He never told Elizabeth about the fleet. If he chose her side, kissing her and trying to shoot Bootstrap don't help.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Through a combination of harsh treatment from his father & life in the Navy, James Norrington learned to school his features, hiding the multitude of emotions underneath. You would know this if you followed the back story. He was ambitious, but he was not a moron. When Elizabeth tried to manipulate him, Norrington saw it for what it was, but he knew the right thing to do was to save Will. In the end Norrington lets Jack escape because he knows that Jack is a good man.
housepet131 2 years ago 2
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I think Icecreamhead is naturally like that. He's almost a robot, except without a brain. I think he just absorbed what his father taught him and it's reflected when he meets Jack. Jack saved Elizabeth and Norrington hated him and probably wished Elizabeth died rather than be saved by Jack. Not a moron? He looked shocked when she declared her love for Will. If he wasn't a moron, he'd not be surprised. If Elizabeth didn't trick him, he would've left Will as he planned to do.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
I'll post it anyway. It'll just be broken & upside down. You cannot call Norrington inhuman; you have no grounds to do such. Being human is about making mistakes, learning from them, & then making amends. James Norrington did all of that. He was an honorable man in His Majestys Royal Navy, but he did know right from wrong & did not simply follow orders blindly. Under his hard exterior Norrington was a shy, sensitive, & generous man.
housepet131 2 years ago 9
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Where did you see the "shy, sensitive&generous" side of him? Icecreamhead never learned from what he did. In the second film he regressed entirely and forgot what Will taught him. He didn't even help Elizabeth fight Beckett or kill Jones. If he killed Jones, at least, I could forgive him but he did nothing to save the pirates.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
I wrote this huge argument in response to orlandogirl213. Unfortunately it has too many characters. So, I can't post it. I address some valid points though. But I did want to say that Will & Elizabeth stab their friends in the back countless times to achieve their own ends. While the emotional struggle in them is apparent, they never grow from this. Elizabeth became a leader because it was always in her nature to control & Will always had an air of cleverness to him, but he was not the only one.
housepet131 2 years ago
Everyone seems to either love Jack or Will, I'm glad Norrington is getting some attention on YT at least as he is so underrated.....He is, by far, the most complex and well developed character in the entire series.....
chronic7craving 2 years ago
This is one of the best, if not THE BEST, Norrington videos I have ever seen. I could watch it over and over again and I would never tire of it!
housepet131 2 years ago
Thank you very much! That's quite a compliment! Gotta love that man!
Makani 2 years ago
Great Video(:
Pirates of the Caribbean has a way of showing the good and evil in all the characters. Yes in the movie the pirates are who most of us root for. They were the rebels in a way. I don't think there were any good vs. evil. All the characters have reasons for the good and bad they do. Whether that be for love, freedom, or power they all had motives.
All in all there were no good vs. evil in the movies. There was character vs. character. At least in my opinion(:
paradiseprncss25 2 years ago
Haha calling Norrington evil is absurd. Heck, he's probably more reliable than any of the pirates. And honestly, what does he owe Jack Sparrow or Will Turner? Sparrow is a pirate through and through, and Turner? If Turner didn't let Sparrow out of jail, Norrington never would've been in that situation. I'd draw swords against them under those circumstances.
valen311 2 years ago 4
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Norrington is a traitorus bastard who deserved more then what he got,he comprehended elizabeth wanted to be with will then he gets booted out of the navy, he joins pirates, betrays em and goes to EITC then he betrays them to free elizabeth and the crew, and thinks to get sympathy, norrington freeing elizabeth is not going to free you of all your past actions
v4552 2 years ago
I wouldn't say Norrington is a sociopath, I think he was blinded by pride and the overwhelming loss of his prior position that he lost faith. He was so desperate to earn back his honor that he put his prior moral code aside. Yes, I think he did himself in and what happened at the end was a little too late. But did he really deserve what he got? I don't think so.
maswellasm 2 years ago
How can you say he didn't deserve what he got? He sent people, pirate or not, to their deaths. He gave Beckett power to kill innocent men, women and children. He wasn't after honor because he doesn't have it. He wanted his career back. Blind? Yes. He has no redeeming qualities and he's pure evil. He's a superevil clone of Beckett.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Actually, it was probably Governor Swann, if any of the characters, that technically gave Beckett the power to kill innocent people. When Norrington came back, he was under Beckett in terms of hierarchy. It was also Beckett that commissioned those deaths, not Norrington. While I can understand someone taking the stance of disliking Norrington's character, I think the adjective "evil" or "superevil" is a bit excessive. Even so, are you sure you're not confusing Norrington with Beckett?
maswellasm 2 years ago 2
Norrington was Beckett's admiral and he brought people from the sea and Port Royal to be hanged. Norrington is evil. His siding with Beckett is just that. He tried to kill Jack and Will in Dead Man's Chest. He betrayed Elizabeth and Swann to Beckett. He was a coward. I think I've got the right person when I say evil. He's so evil, he makes Beckett and Jones look like saints.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Well said, v4552! You said it better than I can!
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Now I just want to touch on the fact I think that the world evil, being used in reference to Norrington's character is completely ridiculous.
According to Webster's definition of the word evil everyone in this movie could be taken for evil. I would post a definition but I think that if you're truly interested you can just go to google and look it up yourself. I get the feeling this argument will fall on deaf ears, or those of a complete fantard.
EzraDoodle 2 years ago
This movie showcases two very different worlds in terms of morals -
We've got the pirates, who are ultra-romanticized and then we have people like Norrington - the lawful good who have somehow in some people's views become evil.
Norrington has made his life serving the Navy, he has lived by a moral code very different as to what those pirates do.
In bringing those people in from the sea to hang them, he is doing his job, what is deemed right by the law of the nation he serves.
EzraDoodle 2 years ago
Pirates make their livings stealing, hurting other people, and breaking laws. If there were to be people like the characters in this movie running around in society today, people like you and I who appreciate our safety and our homes would view people like the pirates as evil, and people like Norrington as good. Norrington is doing his job. He is doing what he feels is right. It's hardly logical to call him evil when you look at it this way.
Morally flawed, maybe - aren't we all? But evil? No.
EzraDoodle 2 years ago
Norrington stole and hurt people. He stole the letters and the heart which led to countless deaths of innocent people. Norrington's doing his job serving Beckett, which is wickedness. Norrington is doing what he can to make himself happy. Swann died because of his treachery and Elizabeth could've died, but did he care? No. Norrington isn't morally flawed. He's as deranged as Bellatrix Lestrange of Harry Potter. He makes Beckett and Blackbeard look decent!
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Norrington is evil all around. He turned his back on Elizabeth and Swann, 2 people who cared about him. He served Beckett and killed people who had nothing to do with piracy. He hanged a boy, how is that not evil? And if siding with Beckett isn't evil, I don't know what is. Norrington doesn't have a moral code because he wants to kill Will, even though Will never did wrong to him.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
I beg to differ - Will did do something to him - Elizabeth was his love interest. They were going to be married, if I'm correct, I'm not all that familiar with the movies because they aren't that wonderful to me.
Will kind of got in the way of that whole affair. I think that counts as something.
Norrington does not hurt people for the sheer joy of it. There is reasoning behind what he does. Bellatrix Lestrange hurts people because it tickles her.
EzraDoodle 2 years ago
Will wasn't pursuing Elizabeth. He only told her he loved her because he thought he was going to die saving Jack. Elizabeth made the choice to marry Will. Will had nothing to do with Elizabeth's decision. If Norrington understood love, he'd leave Will&Elizabeth alone. As for hurting people, he chucked sand in Will's face and liked it. He certainly felt no remorse for those people in At World's End, not even for a child. That's quite similar to Bellatrix if you ask me.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Will Turner broke the law. Will Turner is not a hero, neither is Jack Sparrow, Elizabeth Swan, nor her father.
Will Turner has killed men, soldiers, and other murderers alike. He has consorted with known felons (other pirates) and has, without skill I might add, knowingly taken command of a ship of pirates. He is a pirate, and does things against the law. Norrington is doing his job, he is not evil. Calling norrington evil is like calling police officers and military men evil. Ridiculous!
Blueflyer18 2 years ago
This is Disney, so Will and the others are the heroes. Will only does what he can to protect those he loves. And he was pushed into that life by Norrington. Will knows what's right morally and what is right morally is not right legally, such as leaving a good man like Jack to die. Will is not a monster like Norrington. Will doesn't hang children or other innocents who have nothing to do with piracy. He also doesn't fake bravery or turn on those he loves. Norrington did that only for himself.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
As I said, Norrington turned his back on the 2 people who cared about him. Elizabeth may not love him, but at least she cared to save him from misery in Tortuga, and Norrington rewards her by handing her over to her enemy. Norrington does his job well, if you mean killing innocent people because he's told to do so. If he were doing his job, he'd arrest Beckett and put an end to his murders. Instead, he joined him and helped him murder people and called it justice. I'd say that's villainous.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Norrington didn't hang the child, or any of the people on the gallows in the AWE opening. Beckett had taken charge of Port Royal, and what could Norrington do, alone and surrounded by soldiers, to stop him?
His problem is that he has too much of a moral compass. He's a bit Jekyll and Hyde...he's either Commodore and honorable, or he's a particularly ruthless pirate and a little bit sadistic. Norrington doesn't do well in morally grey worlds, which is why he had to die.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
Norrington is responsible for bringing those people to the gallows, being Beckett's admiral. I say he's not Lando Calrissian. Lando only betrayed Han for his people and he redeemed himself in 1 movie. Norrington betrayed for himself and didn't redeem himself. I do agree he had to die. He never proved he was good, so I think he got what he deserved.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
People tend to be more angry with James for his selfishness than they are with anyone else's selfishness. He doesn't rush off after Lizzie in CotBP: Why? He has all of Port Royal to keep safe, all those wounded and dead civilians to tend to, and letters to write to the families of his dead soldiers. Rushing off after Lizzie, while romantic, would have been very selfish of him. People forget that he was the first character to be betrayed by a friend in a really painful way.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
Elizabeth's life was on the line. If he did waited&Will did nothing, Elizabeth would've died. He's a coward for waiting. Besides, Elizabeth didn't betray him. She didn't want to marry him. Who would? If she betrayed him, she would've dropped him once she saved Will, but she didn't. She was forced to keep her promise until Will told her he loved her. She couldn't keep away from the 1 she loved. Is it really selfish she wanted to marry Will and not that creep Norrington? Besides, he let her go.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Exactly. He let her go. If he was truly a selfish, creep like you say, he wouldn't have released her from their engagement, he would have forced her to marry him. He let her go because he wanted her to be happy, and he knew she would be happy with Will. Lizzie lied to James by telling him she wanted to marry him (Deleted CotBP senes...watch them). James said he wouldn't force her to keep the engagement, and Lizzie lied and said she wanted to, and that she had feelings for him. She used him.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
He almost forced her to marry him. He wanted to leave Will 2 die until Elizabeth said she'd marry him. If she hadn't said she wanted to marry him, Norrington wouldn't have gone after Will. She had no choice. Besides, if he couldn't see Elizabeth didn't love him, that's his dumb fault. He did want her to himself, or else he wouldn't have tried to leave Will for dead. And his actions in the sequels prove how craven, selfish, and genrally evil person.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
It's not forcing if he asked and she said yes, and she DID accept. If "almost" counted, Jack should be condemned for "almost" taking advantage of Lizzie on the island! Gov. Swann also wanted to leave Will to die, and I don't see you condemning him for it. If you're going to condemn James for being selfish, you should also condemn Jack, Lizzie, and Will for their equally "craven" and selfish acts. I just can't see how you justify calling James evil when everyone else is just as bad, if not worse.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
He only said he wanted a fine woman for his wife. He never asked again. She had no choice. If she didn't, he would've left Will. I do hate Swann for that, 2. There's nothing selfish about Jack, Elizabeth, or Will. Jack wanted his ship and Will&Elizabeth wanted to marry. Nothing selfish about that. Craven means cowardly, if you didn't know. Norrington is evil. He sided w/the enemy and innocent people died. He also cares about a stupid job, not lives. Will, Elizabeth&Jack r better than that.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
James wants his job, Jack wants his ship, Lizzie wants Will. Lizzie wanting to go after Will WAS selfish. She put the lives of hundreds of sailors at terrible risk because she wanted something for herself. If James only cares about his job, why would he resign at all? If he only cared about his job, why does he end up on Tortuga, guilt-stricken over losing his crew in the hurricane? If he was evil and heartless, he would have just kept on with his job after that. He cares very much about lives
luckyjo03 2 years ago
Will's life was at stake and leaving him to die was wrong. Will is an innocent citizen and the sailors are supposed to die for him. Serve and protect. Norrington wouldn't be wanted by the Navy after what he did. If he was a good man, he would've kept his job. Norrington doesn't care. The fact he killed most of his men sailing through a hurricane proves that. All he cared about was catching Jack. He didn't care about those people in At World's End that were hanged. He cares 4 nothing but himself
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
It's ridiculous to ask several hundred sailors to risk their lives for one blacksmith who has willingly broken the law. How would James keeping his job after the hurricane prove that he was a good man? He resigned out of guilt for his poor decisions and selfishness! How does that make him a bad and evil man? That shows that he feels remorse and recognizes his weaknesses. I agree, his actions in DMC are selfish, but he's acting like a pirate, just like everyone else.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
Will only saved Elizabeth. You'd think Norrington would thank him for that. Norrington's not acting like a pirate they are better than him. Norrington is angry with Will for being engaged to Elizabeth. If Norrington understood love, he'd not be angry. Norrington resigning proves how stupid he is. He proceeds to whine about how he lost his career because of Jack, when it's his fault. Norrington is so wicked. He thought his career was more important than Will saving his father. How good is that?
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
So whoring, thieving, murdering men are better than him? How does that make sense? James DID thank Will, in his own way, as well as give his marriage to Lizzie his blessing at the end of BP. But that doesn't mean he can't be jealous. A person can understand love, but still be pissed off that their fiancee left them for another man. Will feels the same thing when Lizzie kisses Jack. That's human, not evil. James didn't expect to rejoin the Navy at the end, he expected to be a licensed pirate.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
Anyone is better than Norrington. Norrington didnt want to save Will. There's his sense of gratitude. Norrington has no right or reason to be jealous because he loved his career more than her and he gave her up. He wanted a trophy wife, not a real wife. Will wasn't like that when Elizabeth kissed Jack. He didn't try to kill Jack afterwards. Norrington wanted Will dead. You call that human? Norrington fully expected his career back and didn't care that Elizabeth was in danger at the end.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
I agree, James and Lizze are not well suited at ALL. Your ideas are very confused. On one hand you think James wants to force Lizzie to marry him and on the other you say that him giving her up means that he didn't care.You also seem to be pleased with his death, but say that if he had escaped to the Empress he would have been redeemed. Which is it? If you can find an example of his "evil" that can't possibly in any way be connected to feelings the other characters also feel, I'll be impressed.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
Norrington only wanted Elizabeth as a trophy wife, but he didn't love her so that's why he doesn't care. If he escaped to the Empress and fought against Beckett, he'd be redeemed, but he didn't and tried to kill Bootstrap and almost killed Elizabeth so he's not redeemed. Did Norrington ever question Beckett hanging all those people, or hanging a child? No. He let Beckett do that and helped him. If Norrington not questioning the hangings isn't evil, Idk what is.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
I don't think he loved her, as much as he loved the idea of her, so I agree on that one. He didn't escape because he had no time. Lizzie saw Bootstrap threatening him, and was coming back to the Dutchman to help him. He severed the rope so she would escape, which shows that he values her life. I would have preferred him living, since the movie would have been more interesting. Most of James' character development that would show his compassion was cut for time purposes. Clearly, it was a mistake
luckyjo03 2 years ago
Norrington wasted time. Bootstrap didn't threaten anyone. Norrington tried to kill Elizabeth, that's why he shot the rope. He was aiming for her head, but he missed. Elizabeth could've drowned, too. He doesn't value her life. He only wanted her alive to get to Will. He didn't care that he condemned her to death when he went to Beckett, why would he care now? Since there were no scenes showing him questioning the hangings, it proves he has no remorse.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
I'm sorry, what?! Where do you get the idea he wanted to shoot her? Did you watch the scene at all? Bootstrap was raising the alarm, which meant Lizzie would be REcaptured. James severing the rope meant that she could escape. The way that scene was filmed in NO WAY even hints that James was aiming to kill her. She's a smart girl, if he had aimed at her, she would have noticed. If he wanted her dead, he could have just waited for morning. Why help her and her crew escape? Your idea makes no sense
luckyjo03 2 years ago
He was so pissed at her for being engaged to Will that's why he didnt care when he took the heart. He only wanted her to escape because he wanted Will dead. However, Bootstrap ruined his chance so he was forced to shoot Elizabeth. And Elizabeth didn't notice because she was climbing the rope. Elizabeth could've held the crew back long enough to escape anyway. She is strong and there's no way she'd be recaptured. Therefore, IceCreamHead looks even more evil.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
How would Lizzie escaping make Will die?
luckyjo03 2 years ago
He knew Elizabeth was going to Shipwreck Cove, even if he told her not to. He knows wherever she goes, Will is sure to be. He wanted Elizabeth to escape so he could follow her to Shipwreck and kill Will. Alas for him, he failed. Norrington deceived us in the 2nd movie, he can't be trusted again.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
You need to rewatch the movies without your Orlie-colored glasses (as hard as that might be, I know he's very pretty) so you actually notice the rest of the plot. You've basically rewritten the movies based on your obsession, and added character elements that don't exist. Better yet, play BP with the writer commentary.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
How do we know for sure Norrington isn't being deceitful? That's all that's left in him. I've listened to the writer's commentary on Curse of the Black Pearl and there's nothing in there that says Norrington's a good man. Nothing can convince me Norrington is a good man. The fact he gives Jones the sword that ends up in Will's chest later (and knowing Norrington hated Will) is my proof how evil Norrington is.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
And how do we know for sure that Will isn't an abusive git who will beat Lizzie once his 10 years are up? Everyone betrays everyone in these movies, so by your logic they're all deceitful. Your argument that just because the movie doesn't explicitly say "James is a good man" is full of holes, and can apply to all the characters. Unless you're suggesting that James could see the future, stabbing Jones with his sword as he was dying is in no way connected to Will's death.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
I know Will's character because he does everything for Elizabeth's benefit so it's not like him to start abusing her. My statement cannot be applied to everyone. We know Elizabeth loves Will and she is good, Jack is a good man(the whole point, really) but IceCreamHead is clearly not a good man since he does Beckett's bidding and leaves innocents to die. IceCreamHead knew Norrington would be happy to kill Will. It would be pointless for him to just stab Jones knowing he can't die.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
I didn't get the deathstab thing, either, but AWE was an awfully written movie as a whole. You say you know Will's character. You've clearly thought about it. I've thought about James' character, very in depth considering I write him in fanfic, and while he makes some truly horrible mistakes that have awful consequences, nothing leads me to the conclusion that he is the vindictive sociopath you claim he is. Or perhaps you've found some script pages or cut scenes I haven't seen?
luckyjo03 2 years ago
He took the heart knowing it was bad for Beckett to have the heart. That's not vindictive? I know he wanted to hang Elizabeth and her crew when he captured them. It was in a rough script. He captured Elizabeth, and she attacked him for his part in Swann's death. He then told her she and her men would hang. If that's not evil, I don't know what is.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Yes, taking the heart was vindictive. It was selfish. It was a pirate-like act. There's a reason the script you refer to is a rough draft: it has problems that were fixed later. Rough drafts are not reliable sources.
You still haven't presented any unbiased evidence, based on the films, that show James' evil nature. Everything you've brought up has been severely slanted. Do you have any examples that aren't based on your love of the other characters? Anything based on James himself?
luckyjo03 2 years ago
He killed most of his crew sailing through a hurricane just to catch Jack. He sold his soul to the Devil for a career he sucked at, nevermind the fact that lives were at stake. Did he ever show remorse for his actions? No. He just sat back and kissed Beckett's butt and did his bidding without question.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
BP tells us that he was exceptionally good at his career, hence being promoted to such a high office at age 28. He did kill most of his crew on that quest and promptly resigned, left behind his riches, and his comfortable life for a hellish one. Why do you think he did that if not out of guilt, shame, and selfloathing? James operates on facial expression more than dialogue. Does he look happy to be serving Beckett in AWE? Does he look gleeful when he gets his sword back? He does not. Any more?
luckyjo03 2 years ago
How many bad pirates did he kill before he met Jack? 0. He only caught the bad pirates(Barbossa's crew) thanks 2 Jack. Norrington left everything behind because he's stupid. I'd say IceCreamHead looked quite content being Beckett's dog and getting his sword back. It doesn't make sense if he wasn't. He got what he wanted and it cost lives. Did he ever do anything for Swann's benefit? He and Swann were friends, but he let Beckett kill him.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Jack himself tells us that James has basically wiped out all the real pirates in the Caribbean, including the rum runners. "Because he's stupid" is your opinion and can't be backed up with film OR prior script-based character evidence. What film based evidence do you have that James was happy working for Beckett? Do you have similar evidence to prove that James knew Beckett planned to kill Swann? Only filmed script is viable.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
Blaming Jack, Will,&Elizabeth for losing his career is pretty dumb to me considering Norrington losing everything is his fault. Norrington didn't object to Beckett, did he? Did he take down Beckett in any way? No. He knew Beckett had Swann under his power, but he didn't do anything to stop him. He just let Swann die.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
He only blames Jack. He fights Will because Jack does some manipulating and convinces him that it was Will's fault. James' exact words in Tortuga are "the pursuit cost me my crew". Not "Jack cost me my crew". As for him not taking Beckett down, letting things go from bad to worse, I don't like that either Not at all. But based on his expressions and vocal tone, he was not happy working for Beckett, therefore he did not enjoy anything Beckett did. Still no proof he knew of plans for Swann's death
luckyjo03 2 years ago
He didn't help Swann, either, did he? Norrington still fought Will and it's not like he liked Will anyway. He still did nothing to stop Beckett so that only convinces me more that he had no problem. Besides, he ambitioned to rid the world of pirates and under Beckett, he was doing just that
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
I just rewatched the office scene of AWE and noticed several points. 1: James was not in charge of anything until that scene. Before that DJ was doing the dirty work. 2: Swann signed the execution orders 3: Swann and James share a look that suggests they have been discussing the problems with Beckett. I say suggest because the scene where they try to stab the heart was cut for timing. I've seen a screencap of this. (Also, James isn't the only one making deals with Beckett. Jack and Will do, too)
luckyjo03 2 years ago
IceCreamHead was Beckett's admiral, he had to be responsible for those hangings. Norrington stopping Swann doesn't do any good, either. And when Jack and Will made deals with Beckett, no one was harmed.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Had to be? But how do you know for sure? Do you remember why James stopped Swann? To save him from the fate of being FD Captain. Personally, I would have preferred James to live, fight in the maelstrom battle, and stab the heart himself. But I didn't get to write the script, sadly. You still haven't given any evidence that James takes pleasure in watching people suffer. Doing nothing to stop it is not the same as enjoying it. Are there any film examples of him truly being sadistically happy?
luckyjo03 2 years ago
Norrington had to have brought people to the gallows for Beckett. If he let Swann stab the heart, we'd be rid of Jones and half the problem would be solved. But No! I would've preferred IceCreamHead to stab the heart 2(because he'd never be free and he'd have to cut out his heart, which I would do personally) He kicked sand in Will's face, which has to hurt, and he was smiling when he did it.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
But then Swann would have to suffer. Or is it ok with you that Lizzie's dad has that fate? If kicking sand in Will's face during a fight is the best evidence you have, that's pretty weak. He did it to distract him and slow him down. Jack did the same to Will in BP in the smithy, Lizzie did the same to James on Tortuga. Sadistic pleasure in the pain of others is caused for no purpose other than enjoyment. Any examples of that?
luckyjo03 2 years ago
Swann would be alive and live forever if he stabbed the heart. Elizabeth wouldn't mind that, neither would I. I much prefer Norrignton doing it though. Norrington was perfectly happy leaving Will to die in the first movie. If that's not sadistic, I don't know what is. Norrington is the worst villain of the trilogy. He's so evil he makes Beckett and Jones look decent
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
There it is: you don't know what sadistic means. Definition: 1: a sexual perversion in which gratification is obtained by the infliction of physical or mental pain on others (as on a love object) a: delight in cruelty b: excessive cruelty. (Meriam-Webster) Can you prove to me with film evidence that James ENJOYED the idea of Will dying? It's quite a stretch from "was not in charge" to "was perfectly happy". Will's fate was Swann's decision as he was the superior.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
Norrington is cruel to Will all the time because he loves Elizabeth. Having him out of the way would make Norrington's day so he could have Elizabeth to himself. He was in charge of where the ship was going, not Swann. He had no intention of saving Will until Elizabeth spoke up. Norrington tried to kill Will numerous times before( he tried to blow up the Interceptor with Jack&Will aboard.) and more in Dead Man's Chest. He thinks Will's scum for helping Jack.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Prove how he is cruel to him. What scenes? Swann is governor, and that trumps Commodore. How do you know for sure he had no intention of saving Will? Trying to incapacitate the Interceptor was not an intent to kill Will, but an attempt to stop Jack escaping. His statement about seeing her sunk was an expression of his disgust for pirates, which is well deserved. Besides, I though James didn't care about Lizzie? If he doesn't care, if he just wants a trophy wife, why does she matter?
luckyjo03 2 years ago
When Will comes in to help save Elizabeth, Norrington tells him to leave. He calls Will rash when Will saved Elizabeth and Norrington didn't. Norrington was going to leave Will even when he saved Elizabeth. Will still could've been harmed by canonfire. Well, he can't let Will have Elizabeth can he? Norrington wants to marry Elizabeth to have her as a trophy. If she said she'll marry him, of course he'll do it
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Will WAS being rash. James knew they had to save Lizzie, her dad was standing right there! Telling Will to leave is not cruel especially when Will was being so irrational and unhelpful, throwing axes around. James' only failing in that situation was that he was unwilling to ask Jack for help.The fact remains that James DOES let Will have Lizzie and tells him to take care of her. Whatever he wanted, what he DID is what counts.He askes Lizzie where her heart truly lies. If he didn't care, why ask?
luckyjo03 2 years ago
But when Will came in, Norrington wanted to escort him out and Will only wanted to help. He only threw his ax because Norrington wasn't listening and wasting time. Norrington is blind and doesn't see the needs of others. He asked because he never considered Elizabeth didn't love him.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
But he asked. If he wanted her as his wife that badly, he would just grab her back from Will. Will did want to help, but he was going about it in the wrong way. Will and James knew eachother well. It's widely accepted that James first taught the young Will to swordfight. They have no reason to hate each other at all, and there is no evidence that they do. I really can't figure out why you're so desperate to hate James, since you don't have any proof of his being evil or hateable.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
He doesn't listen to any of our characters. In the second, he ratted them all out to Beckett, knowing the consequences. In at World's End, he does nothing for the benefit of our characters and doesn't do anything to take down Beckett or Jones. Therefore, what he did is never put right. He didn't even say he was sorry for what he did. Idk why people call him James. He's not worthy of such a nice name. IceCreamHead is more like it. Norrington is evil, people just choose not to see it.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
And you refuse to see anything good about him because you prefer looking at Orlando instead of paying attention to the story or the acting. Before you start throwing around accusations like "evil" you should really have a better argument, and make sure you've read into the other side of it. I would love to watch the movies with you so you could explain what you're seeing and I could explain what I'm seeing. Really, you're the only person I've met who thinks he's sadistic and cruel.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
It's not just Orlando I'm looking at. I'm not the only person who thinks of Norrington as cruel, cowardly, etc. Sirius Black in Harry Potter says everyone has light&dark sides, but what side we act on makes us who we are. Norrington chose to act on his dark side, and that makes him who he is.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
"The world isn't divided into good people and Death Eaters". Some characters operate in the middle ground, and sometimes viewers can't wrap their brains around that. If he weren't such a complex character with complex motivations, this debate wouldn't exist. He's not meant to be simply "good" or "bad" like the other characters.That's what anti-heroes are. Will always sides with Lizzie. Jack sides with what benefits him at the time. James doesn't have money or a woman to make that choice for him
luckyjo03 2 years ago
I thought he loved Elizabeth(as most claim he did). If IceCreamHead were in Harry Potter, he'd be a Death Eater for sure. He sided with Beckett, so it's like siding with Voldemort. There is no middle ground with IceCreamHead. Snape is more complex than he is. At least Snape is the way he is because he was teased, sided with the bad guys, and lost the 1 he loved. Norrington has no reason to side with the bad guys.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Beckett is a man over-obsessed with business, and Voldemort is like Hitler. There is really no comparison. Though I think Beckett would work for Voldemort if he had the chance. James heard that Beckett was bad from Gibbs and Jack, both pirates. James does not like pirates. It makes sense that if Beckett was bad news for pirates, James who dislikes them would want to work with Beckett. What reason does he have to side with Jack or Will? When have they ever done anything for him?
luckyjo03 2 years ago
Beckett killed innocent people, so did Voldemort. They both wanted world domination. IceCreamHead had to have known Beckett was after Elizabeth and she's not pirate by that point. If he loved her(as many claim), why is he trying hard to kill her? Jack and Will helped him kill the bad pirates. They taught him right&wrong. He's mean to them for no reason, just like Snape is mean to Hagrid in Harry Potter.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Keeping the HP comparison, James is a lot like Snape. He doesn't get along with the heroes but he's against the uber bad guy and he can play for both sides. If James wasn't such a complex character, this debate wouldn't even exist. Will is easy. He will always side with Lizzie out of love. Jack sides with what benefits him most. James doesn't have such obvious reasons. He has to try to sort it out for himself. It just happens to go horribly wrong, much like Voldemort killing Lilly in HP.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
James is a lot like Snape, an anti-hero. He doesn't get on with the heroes, he's against the uberbaddie, and he can play for both sides. If he wasn't complex this debate wouldn't exist. Will is easy to figure out. Out of love, he will always side with Lizzie. Jack will side with what benefits him most. James has to try to figure out what's right without anyone else, and it went horribly wrong, much like Voldemort killing Lilly on Snape's information.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
Nah, even though I hate Snape right now, he's a better man than Norrington. He's lucky Elizabeth didn't die as a result of his selfishness and stupidity.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Funnily enough, your views of what's good and what's evil are very black and white, just like James. And for someone who hates him so much, you sure spend a lot of time thinking about him and his motivations. In the end, the film has the final say, and the script, the writers, the actor, and the director all agree that James sacrificed his life to get Lizzie off the Dutchman. Whatever you may want to think, the production staff views him as a tragic hero.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
I assure you I do not think like a villain, like IceCreamHead. Isn't it up to us to interpret why he died? Norrington was never the hero and he switched sides to Beckett. It's not realistic that he'd switch sides in one night. He was working for Beckett till the very end, otherwise he would've told Elizabeth about the fleet.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
I didn't say you think like a villain, I said you have a black and white view of good and evil. From your posts, I gather that your opinion is "If you're not with us, you're against us", which does not account for human mistakes at all. Actually, it's not up to us to interpret why he died. The writers made it damn clear he's a good man in a bad situation. PotC is a world of moral grayness, with no total good and total evil. Besides, it was Will's and Jack's deals that led to the maelstrom fight.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
Well, Norrington wasn't with the good guys(Elizabeth, Will, etc.) then he's not a good man. With all he's done and the damage he caused, I can't believe he's a good man. If Elizabeth still hated his guts, how is the audience supposed to like him then? She told him she'd never forgive him and never speaks of him again. He put himself in the bad situation. I am certain he's the most villainous villain of Pirates. He endears himself to our heroes and stabs them in the back. Quite wicked, IMO.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
So you agree, your views of good and bad are simplistic. If Lizzie wasn't upset by his death, why was she screaming "NO!" as he was stabbed? Or did she hallucinate and think he was Will or something else equally fabricated? You don't seem to get pissy with Will stabbing Jack in the back by dealing with Sao Feng, or Jack for betraying the Court by dealing with Beckett. Those actions led to the deaths of your good pirates as well. James died doing the right thing. No villain would do that.
luckyjo03 2 years ago
How can she see it was him from where she was? If I were her, I'd b more concerned about my fatherinlaw than a traitor. I don't get PO'd with Will because no1 died and he was only trying to help his father. Jack is a good man and he made a plan with Will to kill Jones and I know that he wouldn't side with Beckett because he is the reason Jack wears a P on his wrist. How are u so sure of Norrington's intentions? After what he pulled, I'm certain he's evil. No good person would side with Beckett.
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Thank you for taking the time to debate with her over Norry (that was a lot of posts, but I read them all!). I love James because he's the most complex character in the films, and he consistently acts human - a heroic human, but a human with flaws nonetheless. The other characters are flat and static with no character development.
Anyway, thanks again - she really goes on with no case, doesn't she? :)
Makani 2 years ago
You're welcome. Unfortunately, as you may know, to me, Icecreamhead is as far from human as you can get. And he's not heroic at all, unless you think endangering your friends to make yourself happy is heroic. The other characters do develop. Will was the shy blacksmith in COTBP, now he's wiser. Elizabeth was simply the Governor's daughter and she gets to be a leader. And what did Icecreamhead do?
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Um, I wasn't talking to you when I posted that....
Makani 2 years ago
I believe you were talking to me. Now that I have my internet back, I thank you for your gratitude. : )
luckyjo03 2 years ago
Loving Norrington is cool? I guess I missed that memo. I <3ed Jack Davenport before PotC so I guess I liked Norry before it was cool.
HalfFullProductions 2 years ago
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You got that right. Norrington is an animal. He is barely human. He'd eat Will alive if he could. But Norrington doesn't have a heart or feelings. He loves himself. Nice choice of a song
orlandogirl213 2 years ago
Norrington is the only character whose not completely out for his self. He serves the Royal Navy, the Empire, law and order. You have a very childish view of the world order, we need an authority, not piracy.
danny88101 2 years ago 3
This is very well done. Glad to hear that someone else also liked him from before it was cool. I especially like how you brought out his clip about his chance for redemption. Overall, bravo with this video, I'm adding it to my favorites.
PhantomoftheShadows1 3 years ago
Thank you very much!
Makani 3 years ago
omg james norrington is soooo sexy. Elizabeth is a fool 4 not choosing him
alienshadow100 3 years ago 3
Mmm...Scruffington...What a goregous man.
Elizabeth didn't deserve him anyways.
loveisfading666 3 years ago 3
I agree ^_^ Havent you seen that every man she kisses dies? Well cept for Jack and Will cause of their circumstances
SephirothsQueen777 3 years ago 2
OH MY GOD
AWESOME
I must favourite this
Norrie will never die.
pawsthewolf 3 years ago
Thank you!
Makani 3 years ago
La chanson est magnifique, le clip est magnifique, James est magnifique <3
Moi aussi, j'aimais James dès le 1er film, quand il n'était pas encore "cool"
YumeXzoro 3 years ago
Wow! Amazing video! I loved him when he was an ice cream too. ( I just didn't know it yet) No, but seriously, I officially fell in love with him, well, in the 3rd movie when he proves to be an absolute hero. In the 1st movie, he was the character I really respected more than the others and I adored him, so adorable, but I really liked how the whole cast was perfect. 2nd movie I thought, "Norrington?!" but thought he was cool as a man fallen from grace,hoped he would be able to redeem himself tho
angusthebruce 3 years ago 2
i love the song and movie and also ur video GREAT JOB!!!!!!!! :)
zacefronlover101016 3 years ago
Wonderful vid...what if they do bring him back in POTC 4 (if they make one) but then he's back only as a ghost...Long live Norry!!!!
moviemaniac411 3 years ago
Not in my script he's not(a ghost)...and he's not brought back to life either.Have I gotten you wondering what the other options are? Good.I like to get people thinking,just dont think too hard...I don't want it to ruin the surprise(and it's a HUGE one!!)smile.Savvy?? :D Want to find out?....
xoxojdavenport 3 years ago
Ooh,love the video!Too cool!I read the comments,and there seems to be a consensus of opinion about Norrington's death.Here's your chance.I have a screenplay/script for a Pirates 4.Norrington is very much alive along with many others.If you didn't like the way 2 or 3 turned out,I want to hear from you.If you guys would be interested in seeing it,let me know.The first 5 minutes blow both 2 and 3 away.You guys have the power to change the story.If I get enough feedback,I'm taking it to Disney.
xoxojdavenport 3 years ago
Awesome video! I do Like the "giant ice-cream look" if the wig's what sarma meant... Whatwhatwhat spoilers in the comments!
I think I'll give these a chance just for him. I saw half of the 1st one a year ago, fell asleep watching it... (I did)
ladyyurico1 4 years ago
This was too awesome. Great work with the editing and the song really suits him. This video definitely does him justice. I have always liked Norrington. Even in the first film where everybody seemed to hate him.
Creeper234 4 years ago
Just watched this again. I'm still mourning. One day i'm going to kill those writers.
1nj3ct10n 4 years ago 4
No need to kill the writers(although it IS tempting).What they don't know is,there's another part to the story...one even THEY didn't know about...and I've got it!!!Just think,you've been told about it before they have!! :D
xoxojdavenport 3 years ago
Yeah...Norrington was my favorite even when he was still dressing like a giant ice cream. I'd love to see him, Sam West and Paul McGann in a Who-Has-the-best-Accent contest.
Sarmatae1 4 years ago
Mmmm... and the winner takes me. LOL Just kidding - I'd take all three! ;)
Makani 4 years ago
I confess, I was the same with liking him before it was cool.
But, I must say, you two shall have to be content with Sam West, as I am kidnapping Norry and Paul for myself. Mwuhahahaha. Lols.
fizzytizzy 4 years ago
norrington is the best. he's so hot. and i loves him.
christine1479 4 years ago
WOW at was awesome!
RIP Norry. T_T
CaptianIndianaSolo 4 years ago
Norry forever!!!!
I love him, so damn sexy this man and his facial expressions
so damn sensless his death
ever linin never die!
Perfect song, super vid, go on!!!!!
RubindeMontfort 4 years ago
This song is so perfect with this video and the story of Norrington.
Great work!
i love it.
Norrington is the sex!
:D
bahazohni 4 years ago
Thank you! And you're so right....lol
Makani 4 years ago
Yo this was awsome,and in a way this song fits norrington!5/5
sladetastic 4 years ago
Really nice. One always feel somehow wronged by Norrington's unfortunate fate in the movie.
theunpublished 4 years ago
i just love norrington,
popbritglamlife 4 years ago
If you truly believe Norrington should be brought back...
(there's a petition on-line... sign it!
petitiononline dot com/potcjn/petition dot html)
(replace the dots with periods)
norriesmyluv1392 4 years ago
WOW. Just - yeah. WOW. Awesome editing and song. Great, great job. One of the best DMC Norrington video's I've seen.
collectthemoments 4 years ago
This is probably the best Norrington video ive seen.
1nj3ct10n 4 years ago
Why thank you! That's a high compliment!
Makani 4 years ago
LOBE IT!!!!!! Norrington is HOTT. not as hott as Captain Jack Sparrow tho!
johnnydeppsbabygrl 4 years ago
4 any1 curious about the survey, as of 7/24/07, here r the current standings:
Bootstrap: 9
Elizabeth: 8
Answers must b turned in by 8:00 pm on August 10
Howleron 4 years ago
Hey, guys? i have a small favor 2 ask... plz answer this question truthfully, 4 it is VERY important.
If given the choice, would you kill Elizabeth or Bootstrap?
Howleron 4 years ago
Before or after they killed Norry?
Makani 4 years ago
after the 3rd movie entirely.
Howleron 4 years ago
Elizabeth. Bootstrap supposedly didn't know what he was doing. He was a "crazy" half-man/half-barnacle taken over by the power of the Flying Dutchman, according to the movie.
Makani 4 years ago
so true. Bootstrap rules
Howleron 4 years ago
awesome video! i really like on 3:32 when he filps his head around then on 3:34 his hair slowly blows in the wind,awesome editing,favorited,5 stars! :)
AbbySparrow 4 years ago
He is cool but will is Still One of the HOTTER Guys in the movie
Lanalangstar 4 years ago
Yeha I agree I LOVED Norrington before everyone else too! At the beginning of the FIRST movie! He is AWESOME! I love Jack as well but I just have to say this: Norrington can do anything Jack can do...but he can do it in tights! lol
Troubles8 4 years ago
LOL!! You're completely right! Norry makes wearing tights macho! I like Jack, too, but Norry is my huckleberry. YAY FOR ICE-CREAM NORRY LOVERS!!
Makani 4 years ago
this is the first really good fanvid i've seen. great! and i signed the petition and everything... norrington rocks.
droftreeology 4 years ago
Thank you so much! Every signature counts! Now that I've hit 500, I'll start sending in the names to the Pirates producer Jerry Bruckheimer (sp?).
Makani 4 years ago
huh? petition? signature?
Howleron 4 years ago
I started a petition demanding that if there is an upcoming 4th Pirates film, that James Norrington be brought back.
It's here: savenorrington.start-a-petition(dot)com
Makani 4 years ago
Great!! I love norrington too!!
Piratenprinzessin14 4 years ago