Since we have touched on TRUE PROPHECIES in the Qur'an which have been fulfilled, let us now look closely at some FALSE PROPHECIES in the CORRUPTED Bible.
Isaiah 19:18 "In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction."
The Canaanite language has NEVER been spoken in Egypt, and is now an extinct.
It is PATHETIC Xtian RETARDS r still unable to comprehend what their CORRUPTED Bible says about dealing with the effects of sinning. Where does Ezekiel 18, Dan 4:27, Hosea 6:6, 1 Sam 15:22 & Prov 21:3 insist on guilt offering for the forgiveness of sins?
Does God desire sacrifice & burnt offerings? "For I desire mercy, NOT sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God RATHER THAN burnt offerings." (Hosea 6:6).
Why r Xtian NINCOMPOOPS so blind to God's salvation which NEVER demanded human sacrifice?
IF SALVATION COMES BY KEEPING THE LAW THEN ALL WHO KEPT THE LAW WOULD BE SAVED.AND NONE WHO KEPT THE LAW FROM THEIR YOUTH WOULD BE DISSATISFIED & COME TO JESUS SOME OPENLY & MANY SECRETLY ASKING WHAT SHOULD I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE.
JESUS IS THE GIVER OF THE LAW THE GOD WHO GAVE THE LAW. THE LAW ONLY CAN EXPOSE A MANS SINFULNESS BUT IS UNABLE TO SAVE .
IF THE LAW IS ABLE TO SAVE GOD WOULD HAVE NEVER PROMISED A SAVIOR BUT GOD TOLD ISRAELI PROPHETS THAT HE WILL BE THEIR SAVIOR
THE VERY PRESENCE OF JESUS WHO IS GOD IN THE FLESH WHO IS SALVATION HIMSELF WHO CAME TO ZACCHAEUS HOUSE .
WHEN ZACCHAEUS WAS ALWAYS WILLFULLY VIOLATING THE VERY LAW THAT JESUS CHRIST GAVE.
WHO IS THE LORD GOD WHO GAVE THE SABBATH
GOD JESUS VERY PRESENCE MADE ZACHEAUS TO REPENT
AND OBEY GOD WHO DID NOT CONDEMN HIM BUT FORGAVE HIM FOR NO HIGH PRIEST OR ANY PROPHET COULD BRING SALVATION TO ANYONE BUT ONLY JESUS HIMSELF WHO IS SALVATION SAID
One has to ask where does Ezekiel 18, Dan 4:27, Hosea 6:6, 1 Sam 15:22 & Prov 21:3 insist on sin offering in the form of young bull in order to attain salvation from God?
Did Jesus demand Zacchaeus participate in that ritual so salvation may come into his house?
Look into the parables of the Lost Sheep, the Lost Coin & the Lost Son narrated by Jesus in Luke 15. Where is there any mention of sin offering of any kind? Didn't Jesus say repentance alone sufficeth?
Did the (un)Holy Spirit just pee into their maggot-eaten brains? How come they missed the opening words which say "When anyone sins UNINTENTIONALLY ..."? Does the word "unintentionally" carry any significance to those BRAIN-DEAD Xtians? Looks like it does not.
Doesn't the Bible distinguish between INTENTIONAL & UNINTENTIONAL sins? Didn't Ezekiel 18, Dan 4:27, Hosea 6:6, 1 Sam 15:22 & Prov 21:3 insist on repentance, obedience & mercy in relation to salvation?
@zorin85 PEANUT HEAD.....sin is sin You blonker you have yourself described it as intentional SIN or unintentional SIN it is STILL SIN YOU DUMB*SS! The LORD said to Moses: If anyone sins and is unfaithful to the LORD by deceiving his neighbour about something entrusted to him or left in his care or stolen, or if he cheats him, or if he finds lost property and lies about it, or if he swears falsely, or if he commits any such sin that people may do— ,
cont-d: when he thus sins and becomes guilty, he must return what he has stolen or taken by extortion, or what was entrusted to him, or the lost property he found, or whatever it was he swore falsely about. He must make restitution in full, add a fifth of the value to it and give it all to the owner on the day he presents his guilt offering. And as a penalty he must bring to the priest, that is, to the LORD, his guilt offering, a ram from the flock, one without defect and of the proper value.
cont-d: IN THIS WAY the priest will make ATONEMENT for him before the LORD, and he WILL BE FORGIVEN for any of these things he did that made him guilty.
you DUMBSCHMUCK!! Who has been teaching you biblical interpretation: Islam idiocy program?? The above sins were INTENTIONAL & forgiveness of sin INCLUDED BLOOD Sacrifice EVEN THOUGH person may have made restitution.
For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his LIFE as a RANSOM for many. Mark & Matthew
Thus, for Jesus, sincere repentance is absolutely essential for genuine salvation. Repentance must also be accompanied by righteous conduct (Matt 3:8).
Why did Jesus inform Zacchaeus that “today salvation has come to (his) house" (Luke 19:9)? Did Jesus tell him that he will only be saved after he was crucified & resurrected? NONE at all.
The simple reason being Zacchaeus agreed to donate half his possessions to the poor & compensate those whom he may have cheated.
Say to the Israelites: 'When anyone sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the LORD's commands- 'If the anointed priest sins, bringing guilt on the people, he must bring to the LORD a young bull without defect as a sin offering for the sin he has committed. Leviticus 4:1-3.
You Nincompoop! Hosea, Ezekiel & Daniel were living under these old testament regulations- Don't you know anything? Didn't your foolish prophet teach you anything? haha!
@DerelictDeciever I just did u Islamophile.....u r jus like a Muslim I gave a answer & u justg dismiss it RESPOND TO IT YOU NINCOMPOOP!!
You are not Islam's profit who would offer up a monolgue of him debating with others; you r debating a person who has made a statement..Respond to it; are u sure u r not a silly muslim?? This is what Muslims do!!
@christ4all2allmyall Listen, I'm am an AGNOSTIC! I DO NOT BELIEVE IN CHRISTIANITY OR ISLAM. BOTH ARE MAN-MADE. I AM TELLING YOU how can you say your imaginary friend God and zombie Jesus are better than Islam? True, I came from a Turkish background so I lean towards Islam in support but my position is clear. Don't assume everyone is a Muslim.
This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. Jesus's words spoken of in Matthew 26:28.......
Why is a dumb muslim like you continuing to speak & foolishly interpret a book to superior for muslims??
I TOLD U HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO INTERPRET YOUR OWN SILLY BOOK & Have got many things wrong in it- so why should we listen to your silly interpretations of the GREATER BIBLE.
WHY SHOULD WE LISTEN 2IGNORANT ISLAMICIST WHO SH*T ABOUT RELIGION??
@zorin85 NOW CAN YOU PLEASE SHOW ME WHY I WOULD FOLLOW the islamic god, who unlike our God, your god had a 100% losing of his past books. which means allah can never be trusted...he got stitched by people b4 & he got stitched with Quran too. He says he makes no difference with his profits....so this means Mo too! allah stitched him up & allah is best of deceivers!
Hahaha! U have a god u can't trust- he gets his past books lost. Now when u can show us this Islamic injil then talk- if not SHUT UP
Only PAGANS like the ancient Egyptians & Aztecs performed human sacrifice for religious purpose. Such abomination is unheard of in the Semitic religions - which is why Abraham was STOPPED from sacrificing his 2nd son.
Did Jesus teach blood atonement was an absolute necessity to attain salvation? NEVER! Read the 3 parables in Luke 15. What message do they impart?
"... there will be more rejoicing in heaven over 1 sinner who repents than over 99 righteous persons who do not need to repent" (7)
It appears that DERANGED Xtian MANGY DOGS seem to know better on the matter pertaining to salvation than the God they PRETEND to worship.
Let us ponder for a moment: does the Bible insist on sacrifice & blood atonement for the forgiveness of sins? Neither Ezekiel 18 nor Dan 4:27, Hosea 6:6, 1 Sam 15:22 & Prov 21:3 insist on it. Repentance, obedience & mercy sufficeth
Does that mean God has LIED to the Xtians all these while? Or did the Xtians DECEIVE themselves with their FOOLISHNESS? Perhaps.
The existence of a Qur’an with a different arrangement of the surahs or with what is called “revisions” – even though they are irrelevant and minor – is NOT evidence for a revised Qur’an.
The oral tradition of the Qur’an is so well established that any minor textual “error” can be EASILY rectified.
The arrangement of the surahs and verses do NOT effect the text but are arbitrary methods to counting and splitting the text up; which has NO bearing on the textual integrity of the Qur’an.
Similarly Richard Bell made another translation in the early thirties with what he called a “critical rearrangement of the surahs.”
Moreover, it has been reported that the companions of the Prophet Muhammed used to keep copies whose arrangement of surahs was different though there were no differences in the verse arrangement.
It is well known that for academic and other purposes the Qur’an has been published from time to time with surahs arranged according to the order of their revelation. Thus for instance, A. Rodwell published a English translation of the Qur’an in 1861 rearranging the surahs according to their order of publication.
And early in the twentieth century a Muslim of Bengal, Mirza Abul Fazl, issued a new translation arranging the surahs according to the order of their revelation.
This difference in numbering doesn’t affect the text as a whole. Even Flugel, a famous Orientalist numbered the Qur’an differently from the standard text.
It must be noted that Dr Puin doesn’t mention changes to the text, ONLY in the numbering of the verses, which has no impact on the text as a whole.
Hence when a hafidh (someone who has memorised the Quran) refers to a copy of the Qur’an with a small mistake such as an incorrect alif, he will easily understand the word and make the correction.
Take for example the word ‘understanding’ in English. If read the following way: “understndng” anyone could comprehend the meaning, especially if the incorrectly spelt word was placed in a sentence.
1) The incorrect writing of the alif at some places does not in any way effect the integrity of the text as a whole. This is due to the fact that the oral recurrent reporting of the Quranic text has always been used as the standard reference.
The skeletal form or the representation of the text in the Arabic language has always been used as a secondary reference.
Arguments that attempt to undermine the oral tradition can only be described as conspiratorial and absurd.
Unless someone argues that all of these hufadh throughout the ages – at different points in time and different places in the world – somehow came together to ensure that they all memorised and recited the exact same Qur’an, then there is no alternative explanation. To pose such an argument is irrational.
The amount of varying oral transmissions and the amount of people who have learnt the Qur’an – in addition to there being no discrepancy in what they have memorised – is not a historical accident.
The conclusion can only be that the Qur’an memorised today is the one that was taught 1400 years ago. There is no other rational explanation for this unique oral phenomenon.
The implications of this are astonishing. If millions of people who have memorised the Qur’an can trace their oral memorisation of the Qur’an down the centuries of teachers and scholars all the way back to the Prophet himself, who could doubt the authenticity of this oral tradition?
Especially if these millions of hufadh live in different places in the world and have learnt the Qur’an via different teachers and scholars.
But it will suffice to mention that we have many manuscripts of the Qur’an dated back to the 1st century after the hijra. These can be compared to the current copies we have today, and it can be seen that NOTHING has been altered.
The oral tradition of the Qur’an is a phenomenon unique to Islam. There is an estimate of over 20 million hufadh (people who have memorised the Qur’an) in the world, & millions of these hufadh have learnt the Qur’an via a direct transmission starting from the Prophet.
Before I start to discuss his claims, it must be noted that Dr. Puin himself mentions that these discrepancies are MINOR and they would not probably lead to any sudden and significant advances in the field of Qur’anic studies.
The Qur’an is preserved historical document. There are two intellectual traditions regarding the preservation of the Qur’an, an oral tradition and a textual tradition.
Dr. Burton is a more eminent & established Qur'an scholar than ur Darling Puin & his misbegotten theories. It was only after surveying all the available manuscripts (including Sana) did he come to the conclusion that there is NOT an iota of change in the Qur'an we have today compared to the revelation to the Prophet.
NO Bible scholar can say the same about the CORRUPTED Bible.
Dr. Burton even refutes Puin's SKEWERED theories. Go & read his book. It is taught in public universities.
Is the One True God amused by ur PAGAN human sacrifice & blood offerings? Does that buy u salvation? Open ur eyes wide & take a closer look.
"For I desire mercy, NOT sacrifice" (Hosea 6:6)
"Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. (1 Sam 15:22)
"To do what is right and just is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice." (Prov 21:3)
Human sacrifice & blood atonement r NOT required to reconcile sinful man with his God. Only PAGANS believe otherwise.
"And if a wicked man turns away from his wickedness and does what is just and right, he will live by doing so." (Ezek 33:19)
"Renounce your sins by doing what is right, and your wickedness by being kind to the oppressed. It may be that then your prosperity will continue." (Dan 4:27)
"They went out and preached that people should repent." (Mark 6:12)
Ezekiel 43: For seven days you are to provide a male goat daily for a sin offering; you are also to provide a young bull and a ram from the flock, both without defect.
YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR QURAN AND YET YOU CAN SPEAK ABOUT OUR BOOK...GET LOST YOU DOG!! Ezekiel was endorsing the sacrifice & blood atonement that would be truly fulfilled in Jesus the Lamb of God, that takes away the sins of the World as John Baptist stated! Or should we listen to liars like u?
O Xtian IMBECILE who does not know ur own FABRICATED Scripture. Does the Bible necessitate punishment for sinners in order to reconcile him with God? Is it not earnest repentance sufficient?
“But if a wicked man turns away from all the sins he has committed and keeps all my decrees & does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will NOT die. None of the offenses he has committed will be remembered against him. Because of the righteous things he has done, he will live. " (Ezek 18:21-22)
If Jesus did speak in harmony with past prophets, why do Jews still REJECT him - even after a staggering 2000 years?! Where does the Bible say literacy is a MUST in order to be a prophet? It doesn't. But Xtian TURDS do. They think they know better than God? What a joke!
Matt CRAPS in 27:53 to DECEIVE gullible Xtians. "They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to MANY PEOPLE".
Many people? Like whom? Santa Claus? Elvis? NO RECORD!
@zorin85 by allah for you YOU ARE STUPID! Can you say that John Burton did look at the Sana'a script? What is his reason for previous texts being rubbed out on the parchments? Or the confused writings? Puin saw the script...did this John Burton? Have you read this John Burton book? Or are you just trawling internet for any scholar post 1972?
You nincompoop- get a brain & come back when you learnt to be scholarly yourself- you are showing us what I said= u just ugly internet TROLL who hate us!
Since Xtian BABOONS r so much in love with darling Puin, perhaps we could rope in Dr, Burton who said "…the text which has come down to us in the form in which it was organized and approved by the Prophet…. What we have today in our hands is the mushaf of Muhammad."
Source: John Burton, The Collection of the Quran, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1977, p.239-40.
Here is a book published in 1977 - a full 5 years after the DEMENTED Puin's so-called discovery!
It is those Xtian TURDS who lack the intellectual capacity to grasp simple facts. Don't blame God for ur own FOOLISHNESS.
The Qur'an clearly says 'he perceived' the phenomenon. To perceive something & its reality r 2 DIFFERENT things. R Xtian SCUMS so dense in their head? So EMBARRASSING.
Scholars can say what they want & they r NOT infallible. Bottom-line is does the Qur'an mention the name Alexander? It does NOT. Regardless of whether Dzulkarnain is a name or title, the name of Alexander is not even hinted. That's it.
Muhammad is a NAME of a historical person - NOT a title. Only RETARDS would insist otherwise.
DECEIVED & UTTERLY DELUDED Xtian IDOLATERS blaspheme against God when they claim that the UNCHANGING (Mal 3:6) Creator of the heavens & the earth CHANGED into an IMPOTENT (John 5:30) & IGNORANT (Mark 13:32) creature in the person of Christ.
What is even more LAUGHABLE is that this supposedly Omnipotent deity could not just grant forgiveness for the sins we have committed but instead is forced to undergo torment & a shameful death like a common criminal in the hands of his own creature. RUBBISH!
When someone blasphemes your profit there is NO FORGIVENESS you desire JUSTICE ON BEHALF OF YOUR PROFIT BE WRONGED........payment is needed for those who are offended. Now if payment is needed for your profit & he is sinful & not divine- HOW MUCH MORE PAYMENT IS NEEDED FOR THOSE WHO TRANSGRESS THE LAW??
For the Law prescribes punishment for the wrong doer- should God say the soul that sins it shall die & then say no I forgive at same time?
@zorin85 no this would make God out to be a liar...like allah who says something but it isn't true!!
But when the Man who sins he does in fact die; but in God's system there is a Sacrificial system that can redeem a man from sin- as seen through the Law of Moses!
But why are we telling you these things- inform us on the Law that Moses instigated through your allah- we have it but you only have corrupt source- we want what allah gave you? Can u give us? haha! See how foolhardy 2believe muslims?
The FACT that many STUPID Xtian SCUMS tend to overlook is that the One True God DID leave sound witness of Himself in the UNCORRUPTED portions of the Bible.
That is the part which says God is STRICTLY One & Only - and NOT some IDIOTIC Trinity - and God ALONE should be worshiped. Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength, says Deut 6:5. Go & look it up.
Xtian MORONS must also realise Biblical Corruption is an ESTABLISHED FACT - not theory!
@zorin85 further he was devoid of the Spirit of God, which distinguishes all Prophets...so he was the devil's great instrument bcos he was not learned in Scriptures.....and in truth the true meaning of Illiteracy may not be that Muhammad couldn't read or write but that he was ignorant of the Scriptures( WHICH HE INTIMATES WAS AROUND)- but he couldn't read them because they WERE NOT TRANSLATED INTO ARABIC...so how could he know more than Christians??
@zorin85 Read u fool I stated he was spiritually ignorant & illiterate...the fact he is illiterate means he is a PRIME CANDIDATE TO BE DECEIVED BY THE DEVIL- bcos even if he had seen God's past books he couldn't READ to see if they were true or not? He would have to rely on others accounts of the event! And since God had already sent his prophets and revealed that a prophet must speak in harmony with past prophets- Mo could NEVER know for sure what they said: COS HE COULDN'T READ.
DERANGED Xtian TURDS assume they know better than God when it comes selecting & appointing people as His prophets & messengers. Whether God chooses a prince or a paper, shepherd or a warrior, educated or an illiterate man is strictly His business. Did the One True God ever solicit advise from PAGAN Trinitarians before raising the Last & Final Prophet from Arabia as He had foretold his servants Moses, Isaiah, Daniel & Jesus?
Didn't He say "And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine"?
It is DISTURBING that Xtian IMBECILES r beginning to lose touch with reality. How could they FOOLISHLY claim their INCOMPETENT God never lost his past books when the Bible states otherwise:
"... are they not written in the book of the annals of the kings of Judah?" (2 Kings 15:36)
"Is this not written in the Book of Jashar?" (Joshua 10:13)
"... are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet" (2 Chronicles 9:29)
Where r those books today? Why did God FAIL to preserve it?
This one takes the cake in the list of FALSE BIBLE PROPHECIES.
Matthew 2:23 "And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene."
NOWHERE in the Old Testament is such a prophecy found, so how could such a one be fulfilled?
Did Matt CRAP through his rotting teeth? Or should that honour belong to the UTTERLY DERANGED Holy Spirit - the 3rd person of the PAGAN Xtian Trinity?
Isaiah 7:14 "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
Xtians say that this verse is a prophecy of Jesus' birth to a virgin.
First, virgin in this verse is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word "almah", which actually means "young woman" - not necessarily a virgin. "Bethulah" would have been the correct word to use if the author meant virgin.
Second, nowhere in the NT is Jesus referred to as Immanuel.
Since we have touched on TRUE PROPHECIES in the Qur'an which have been fulfilled, let us now look closely at some FALSE PROPHECIES in the CORRUPTED Bible.
Isaiah 19:18 "In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction."
The Canaanite language has NEVER been spoken in Egypt, and is now an extinct.
A month later, Heraclius entered Dastagird with its stupendous treasure. Khosrow was overthrown by his son, who made peace with Heraclius. Returning to Constantinople in triumph, Heraclius was hailed as a hero.
Also, in the year 624 AH, Muslims defeated the Meccans in the first and decisive Battle at Badr.
In the words of an Indian scholar:
“…a single line of prophecy was related to four nations and the fate of two great empires. All this PROVES the Holy Quran to be the Book of God.”
(ii) The joy of the faithful on a victory over the pagans
Both of these prophecies ACTUALLY occurred.
In 622, Heraclius left Constantinople as prayers rose from its many sanctuaries for victory over the Persian Zoroastrians and the reconquest of Jerusalem. He devoted the next two years to campaigns in Armenia. In 627, he met the Persians near Nineveh. There, he killed three Persian generals in single combat, killed the Persian commander, and scattered the Persian host.
“The Romans have been defeated - in a land close by; but they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious- within ten years. With God is the Decision, in the past and in the future: on that Day shall the believers rejoice with the help of God. He helps whom He will, and He is the Mighty, the Most-Merciful.” (Qur'an 30:2-4)
The Qur'an made a prophecy of two victories:
(i) The future Roman victory within ten years over Persians, something unimaginable at the time
The Muslims were grieved by the Roman defeat as they felt spiritually closer to Christian Rome than Zoroastrian Persia, but the Meccans were naturally buoyed up by the victory of pagan Persia.
To Meccans, the Roman humiliation was a sinister omen of the defeat of the Muslims at pagan hands. At the time God’s prophecy comforted the faithful:
In 614, the Persians conquered Syria and Palestine, taking Jerusalem, destroying the Holy Sepulcher and the ‘True Cross’ carried to Ctesiphon. Then, in 619, they occupied Egypt and Libya. Heraclius met them at Thracian Heraclea (617 or 619), but they sought to capture him, and he rode madly back to Constantinople, hotly pursued.
Before the rise of Islam, the Romans and the Persians were two competing superpowers. Romans were led by Heraclius (610–641 CE), a Christian Emperor, whereas the Persians were Zoroastrians led by Khosrow Parviz (reigned 590–628 CE), under whom the empire achieved its greatest expansion.
Let's take another look at how Christ HOODWINKED his gullible Cross-kissin' chums.
Matt 16:28 “Verily I say unto you, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom”
Not some but EVERYONE standing there had tasted death but Christ, the King of the Jews (or shall we call him the King of CRAP) is yet to make his return. For 2000 years, Xtian TURDS have been waiting with their mouths wide open & looking up to heaven like IMBECILES
Christian sects are not even agreed on the definition of what exactly is an “inspired” book of God. The Protestants are taught that there are 66 truly “inspired” books in the Bible, while the Catholics have been taught that there are 73 truly “inspired” books, not to mention the many other sects and their “newer” books, such as the Mormons, etc.
It is MONUMENTALLY STUPID that even after 2000 years, the DIMWITTED Xtian world could not even agree on the canon of their FABRICATED Scripture.
Yet more evidence demolishing PAGAN Xtian accusations against the Qur'an:
The Institute for Koranforschung, for example, in the University of Munich (Germany), collected over 42,000 complete or incomplete ancient copies of the Quran.
After around fifty years of research, they reported that there was NO variance between the various copies, except the occasional mistakes of the copyist which could easily be ascertained. This Institute was unfortunately destroyed by bombs during WWII.
@zorin85U nincompoop how can you give me a quote from an Orientalist that dates from 1909-38 as refuting Professor Puin….the Sana’a manuscripts where found in 1972 a full 30 years later. What is Schwally a prophet that he can write something before it has come. The guy never did SEE the manuscripts with watermarks of text written & re-written! This proves my point you are just trawling internet for sources without even thinking about it. THIS ’72 not ’38 PLONKER!
@zorin85 WWII? WWII? The manuscripts were found after this- so how can they have used this in their study?? You idiot do you know your maths?? Islamicists so used to lying will have all kinds of characters speak from the grave- if they can work science fiction ie- going back in history and placing their silly allah in places where he never was...then they can do this with scholarly works- this is SCIENCE WE DEALING WITH NOT SCIENCE FICITION...you Islamic idiot!
In response to Puin's HALF-BAKED opinions on the Qur'an, we present the scholarly findings of Schwally who found that:
“As far as the various pieces of revelation are concerned, we may be confident that their text has been generally transmitted EXACTLY AS IT WAS FOUND in the Prophet’s legacy.”
Schwally, Geschichte des Qorans, Leipzig: Dieterich’sche Verlagsbuchhandlung,1909-38, Vol.2, p.120.
In short, the Qur'an we have today is the SAME as that was revealed by the God of Jesus Christ.
@zorin85 Dzulqarnian is claimed to be Alexander by your scholars…for it don’t have to be name but can be title or nickname- just as many know when we use Mo we are speaking of your prophet Muhammad. In fact many scholars argue Muhammad was a title which he used for his name. If Mo regales his followers with petty tales what is that to us- its like me saying a great man went up in mountains and saw rain come out of nowhere??
@zorin85 You nincompoop this Dzulqarnian is one endowed by your allah..this is great muslim & he says stupid thing…so if the best of muslim says silly things how much more will Muhammad and Muslims? Further the text says HE FOUND IT & not it APPEARED AS THOUGH. We are looking at Quran remember- after all bible is supposedly corrupt- so why u quoting from it- why u not quoting from this Islamic injil that Muslim claim one was & is now not: just like Loch ness monsters? hahaha! Stupid Muslims!
Even the epistles attributed to Paul were NOT written by him. After years of research, Catholics & Protestants alike agree that of the thirteen epistles attributed to Paul ONLY seven are genuinely his. They are: Romans, 1, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Philipians, Philemon, and 1 Thessalonians.
The rest r ancient FORGERIES written by anonymous authors who PRETENDED to be Paul. They FALSELY claimed that God inspired what they had written - a MANIFEST DISHONESTY which the Qur'an condemns in 2:79.
“It is not unfair to suppose that in these withheld truths we have part of the modern Christian mysteries, and I think it will hardly be denied that the church, whose highest authorities held such doctrines, would not scruple to RETOUCH the sacred writings.”
Source: The Dead Sea Scrolls, the Gospel of Barnabas, and the New Testament, M. A. Yusseff, p.83
Retouched is a round-about way of saying the sacred writings (i.e. the Bible) has been TAMPERED with by human hands.
Here is more DAMNING evidence against the CORRUPTED Bible.
St. Augustine himself, a man acknowledged and looked up to by both Protestants and Catholics alike, professed that there were SECRET doctrines in the Christian religion and that:
“…there were many things true in the Christian religion which it was not convenient for the vulgar [common people] to know, and that some things were FALSE, but convenient for the vulgar to believe in them.”
‘Lanfranc, a Benedictine Monk, Archbishop of Canterbury, having found the Scriptures much CORRUPTED by copyists, applied himself to correct them, as also the writings of the fathers, agreeably to the orthodox faith, secundum fidem orthodoxam.”
Source: History of Christianity in the Light of Modern Knowledge, Higgins p.318.
Thus, even Xtian scholars r of the opinion that the Bible has undergone CONSTANT CHANGES & INTERPOLATIONS for a very long time. It is CORRUPTED - though not 100%.
These “corrections” were by no means confined to the first centuries after Christ. Sir Higgins says:
“It is impossible to deny that the Bendictine Monks of St. Maur, as far as Latin and Greek language went, were very learned and talented, as well as numerous body of men. In Cleland’s ‘Life of Lanfranc, Archbishop of Canterbury’, is the following passage:
Only BLIND MORONS would dispute scholarly evidence that the Bible has been CORRUPTED.
Victor Tununensis, a 6th century African bishop related in his Chronicle (566 CE) that when Messala was consul at Costantinople (506 CE), he “censored and corrected” the Gentile Gospels written by persons considered illiterate by the Emperor Anastasius.
The implication was that they were altered to conform to sixth century Christianity which DIFFERED from the Christianity of previous centuries.
If u wanna FAIL ur science paper, just read the Bible.
"Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world" (Matt 4:8) This is a GEOGRAPHIC impossibility that DEFIES known laws of physics. Whoever wrote this FAIRY TALE had obviously no idea that due to the spherical shape of the earth u cannot even see the Taj Mahal from atop the mount Everest, let alone seeing "all the kingdoms of the world".
Did the Devil just take Jesus for a ride & CON him?
In their PATHETIC DESPERATION to discredit the Qur'an, Xtian NINCOMPOOPS get busy blowing their brains out with their INFANTILE remarks. So funny.
The name Alexander is NOT mentioned in the Qur'an. It's Dzulqarnain - which is NOT the same as Iskandar (Arabic for Alexander). In Dzulkarnain's perception the sun appeared to set in the pool of water. The Qur'an is relating to his perspective & NOT stating a scientific fact.
How come Xtian SCUMS r unable to distinguish between appearance & reality
Did God has preserve every single book mentioned in the Bible? Their CORRUPTED Bible shows them just how far they have GONE ASTRAY from the Truth. Their Bible asks:
"... are they not written in the book of the annals of the kings of Judah?" (2 Kings 15:36)
"Is this not written in the Book of Jashar?" (Joshua 10:13)
"... are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet" (2 Chronicles 9:29)
Where r those books today? Why did God FAIL to preserve it?
DEMENTED Xtians love to make a FOOL of themselves with their UTTERLY STUPID & UNSUBSTANTIATED remarks. Little wonder Xtianity is in such a SORRY state
What evidence is there the Prophet of Islam picked up knowledge on science & other cultures? Which university professor taught him those? Where did Buhaira or Waraqa claim any credit for teaching him about Xtianity?
Xtian IMBECILES r pretty impressive with their FANCIFUL speculations
The Qur'an does NOT say the mother of Jesus was Moses' sister
@zorin85 U claim u believe in our God- BUT THIS IS FALSE since u have not proven u believe in OUR GOD.... he is the one who calls himself YHWH and used the Prophetic race as the Jews & sent Old Testament. This is our God. But you claim yes this is your god but he never sent old testament but some Torah (no one in Islam knows where??) so you expect us to believe in imaginery torah no one can produce or the OT we have?? And this is our God, & your proof is NO EVIDENCE but your silly interpretation
@zorin85 O Muslim...let's say your silly biblical corruption theory is correct- this WOULD MEAN allah your God left no sound witness of himself before the Quran & before Mo came along he had 100% failure record to keep his books safe...so why should we follow a god who is more pathetic than prophetic at keepin his books safe??
How can i suddenly trust him? Did he learn to look after his books? Can we trust him if he uses a sneaky Arab &spiritually ignorant who gives us no sure Knowledge of God?
How would DELUDED PAGAN Xtians explain away FALSE PROPHECIES uttered by Christ? Let's see how he CONNED his followers:
"When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes." (Matt 10:23)
He CRAPPED that he will return before they are able to go through all of the cities in Israel. Well, they have all GONE THROUGH & PERISHED, and Jesus still hasn’t returned. Did he get lost on the way?
The Quran predicted the defeat of unbelievers in Mecca while the Prophet & his followers were still being persecuted by them:
“Or do they (the Meccan disbelievers) say: ‘We are a great multitude, and we shall be victorious?’ Their multitude will be defeated, , and they shall turn their backs [in flight]!” (Qur'an 54:45)
The prophecy was revealed in Mecca, but was fulfilled at the Battle of Badr, 2 years after the Prophet’s migration to the city of Medina.
@zorin85 anyway u keep going back to bible.....U DUMMY u claimed but not proved that some parts of bible is good & some are not....THIS IS THEORY u have not shown how we can know....what is the standard- modern scientists? quran? YOU DUMBSCHMUCK....I told you to show how 1st muslims would know since they neither had no modern science or a completed quran or any sound witness from allah.
From ur imbecilic theory we have to take Mo on face value- when we see he was a liar!!
@zorin85 DUMBO IT IS YOU WHO SAID YOU BELIEVE IN OUR GOD.....OUR GOD U NINCOMPOOP.....SO YOU MUST SHOW THAT OUR GOD SENT YOUR PROFIT......not that you believe your God is our God...so what many ppl believe Satan sleep in bad muslim noses this don't mean it is true?
SHOW US! Our God never lost his past books; but your allah did. Your allah used a foolish Arab, but ours didn't. Our God teaches how to spot a false prophet- yours doesn't. Ours name is YHWH & NOT allah but yours is.
Jesus preached that salvation is granted to those who repent sincerely to God (the 3 parables in Luke 15; see also Ezekiel 18). The Qur'an affirms it as follows:
“And whoever does evil or wrongs himself but afterwards seeks God's forgiveness, he will find God Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (4:10, see also 11:52, 20:82, 39:53)
Jesus NEVER preached the Pauline dogma of the Original Sin (c.f. Matt 18:3, 19:14, see also Deut 24:16, Ezek 18:20) - the Qur'an AGREES with him (6:164, 17:15)
The Glorious Qur'an was revealed as the Furqan (Criterion) to distinguish between Truth & Falsehood. Whichever part of the Bible which is genuinely from God is accepted, while the FABRICATED/CORRUPTED portion is rejected. For instance,
All the prophets of Israel (including Jesus) preached that God is One & Only - the Qur'an endorses it (112:1, 59:22-24, 5:72, 2:255, et. al).
Trinity is a MAN-MADE BLASPHEMY devoid of God's truth - the Qur'an REPUDIATES it in no uncertain term (4:171, 5:73-75).
I see no evidence for the fact to refute the concept that this individual, Muhammad, had to be developing this information from some place. So I see NOTHING here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write.”
Thus, even a university professor is convinced of the Qur'an's divine origin which is a living miracle of embryology, geology, hydrology, astronomy, psychology & other branches of science - which an uneducated man could NOT discover.
Also he said: “As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Qur'an. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I knew today and describing things, I could not describe the things which were described.
@zorin85 so the scientific evidence doesn't show the Quran came down from heaven unchanged...further the hadith in form us there were many different qurans until Uthman edited his version. Also Muslims who boast Quran is 100% allah with no influence of profit are hard push to show Quran coming from higher intelligence when it is full of science, biblical error & christian fables that can be gleaned in Mo's time. And the prophecy is kind of guess work- unlike Isaiah speaking about Cross 100yrs b4
Consider the educated opinion by Dr. E. Marshall Johnson, Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Developmental Biology at Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA.
"In summary, the Quran describes not only the development of external form, but emphasizes also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science.”
@zorin85 Puin from an ancient manuscript can SEE for himself the text undergoing change and process :Puin noticed minor textual variations, unconventional ordering of the chapters (surahs), as well as rare styles of orthography. Then he noticed that the sheets were palimpsests - manuscripts with versions written even earlier that had been washed off or erased. This he SAW & recorded from oldest Quran in history.....of course sneaky Islam stopped him from looking further
Why do DERANGED Xtian MANGY DOGS persist in applying their FLAWED & DEMENTED criteria upon spiritual texts?
If Muslims alone extolled the Qur'an for being a God-inspired miracle, perhaps they could be accused of blowing their own trumpets. But when even non-Muslim Western scientists like come to the same conclusion, that is something for people with healthy brains to reflect upon.
Unfortunately, Xtians r RARELY known for possessing healthy brains. They have been ravaged long ago by MAGGOTS
@zorin85 your argument is silly and can be easily countered since you boast in non Muslim Western scientists we will too- in fact ours is more weighty since Islam threatens ANYONE who criticizes it- Gerard Puin a scholar & lecturer of Arabic says:"There are dialectal and phonetical variations that don't make any sense in the text", says Puin. "The Arabic script is very defective - even more so in the early stages of its literature." This regards sana'a Quran.
@zorin85 My idea is that the Koran is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself. Even within the Islamic traditions there is a huge body of contradictory information, including a significant Christian substrate; one can derive a whole Islamic anti-history from them if one wants.....
so not only Christians condemn Quran but also Western SCIENTISTS you Islamicist boast in- who condemn you
If Xtian LUNATICS still insist on the CHILDISH MYTH that the Bible is preserved by God from any corruption, then answer the following:
Why do the contemporary versions of the Bible claim that "the earliest manuscripts and many other ancient witnesses do NOT have John 7:53—8:11"? Why was this passage EXPUNGED unceremoniously from the modern Bibles?
Why do Protestants EXCLUDE the Apocrypha from their canon but Catholics accept it?
Why r there 3 DIFFERENT endings to Mark's Gospel?
Why r Xtian MORONS unable to explain these? EMBARRASSED by their own Bible?
In Matt1:17 there were were 28 generations from David to Jesus. BUT Luke 3:23-31 records only 43. What happened to the rest?
In Matt 1:16, Jacob is listed as Joseph's father BUT in Luke 3:23 it is Heli. Which is true?
According to Matt 1:23, he was supposed to be named Immanuel. BUT verse 25 states, he was named Jesus. How come? Another case of a FALSE prophecy? (and, believe me, there r PLENTY in the Bible)
It is tragic that FOOLISH Xtians seem to entertain the DELUSION that God has preserved every single book mentioned in the Bible. We will show them just how far they have GONE ASTRAY. Their Bible asks:
"... are they not written in the book of the annals of the kings of Judah?" (2 Kings 15:36)
"Is this not written in the Book of Jashar?" (Josh 10:13)
"... are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet" (2 Chronicles 9:29)
Where r those books today? Why did God FAIL to preserve it?
Why is it so hard for DEMENTED Xtian TURDS to grasp the simple fact that whichever part of the Bible which the Qur'an affirms is pure & unadulterated while that which is rejected or contradicted is patently false & man-made. Even a 3-year old could see the logic in this.
Much scriptural & scholarly evidence have been put forth that the Bible has been FABRICATED in many places. Alas, only a chosen few r able to perceive it. As for others:
"be ever seeing, but NEVER perceiving" (Isaiah 6:9)
@zorin85 so then we had bible as God's word until 700yrs later an Arab illiterate coming out of Desert, who has NO MIRACLES or NO PROPHETIC POWERS says he is last prophet of our God & says his name is written in our book.....when we go to book, we see this is not true but Muslims attempt to find his name & offer up silly interpretations on our book...but then we say to them...Mo said his name was in allah's book....SO WHY U DUMBSCHMUCKS showing us book of corruption?? ShoW US true one??
@zorin85 Dumb Muslims go dumb at this point!!!! And come up with Christians & jews corrupted it & now it's lost......this sounds great to silly Muslims(kind of a Muhammadan ploy to take the heat of themselves)....
But then we say to these dumb Islamicists: Mo said his name was in Scriptures...ie allah's past book..so WHY YOU SHOWING US A BOOK made up by corruptors? Mo is endorsed by corruptors? And NOT allah?? ahaha!
MO HAS TO SHOW HE IS IN TRUE BOOK......or do u expect us to believe this LIAR?
Whether they tempted Jesus or not, the bottom-line is Jesus told them quite emphatically that "NO SIGN WILL BE GIVEN". But Mark 16:20 & John 20:30 prove him to be a LIAR as he did give MANY signs. Even the Pharisees admitted that in John 11:47. If he did perform many signs, then why CRAP that "NO SIGN WILL BE GIVEN"?
On his 2nd coming, Jesus will EXTERMINATE his Jewish enemies in cold blood (Luke 19:27), worship God Almighty along with Muslims & usher a new era of God's kingdom on earth.
A jumbled confused book? Only to those DERANGED Xtian IGNORAMUS. But not those who r truly enlightened.
Speaking about the Qur'an, Goethe (the supreme genius of modern German literature) says, "It soon attracts, astounds, and in the end enforces our reverence... Its style, in accordance with its contents and aim is stern, grand - ever and always, truly sublime - So, this book will go on exercising through all ages a most potent influence."
(quoted in T. P. Huges "Dictionary of Islam", p. 526)
“The way it was explained to me is that Muhammad was a very ordinary man. He could not read or write. And we’re talking about 12 [actually about 14] hundred years ago.
You have someone illiterate making profound pronouncements & statements & that are amazingly accurate about scientific nature. And I personally can’t see how this could be a mere chance.
There are too many accuracies & I have no difficulty in my mind that this is a divine inspiration which led him to these statements.”
@zorin85 Hey dumbo...Mo WAS illiterate NOT DEAF & DUMB.......he was a travelling merchant & travelled the world & picked up science, cultures etc from his trading....& he had SCRIBES....or did allah let his angel record it?? Have u forgotten your own quran compilation accounts: pieces on skin, pottery? IDIOT you already spoke about Nawfal & Bahira WHO BOTH TAUGHT HIM many biblical matters but MO's IMPERFECT memory made him confuse biblical accounts, events- Mary isn't Miriam Moses' sister??
@zorin85 plus we see Mo offering silly info that would astounding the insular 1st muslims- such as the sun sets in a pool of murky water?? Or that Alexander the Great was a muslim??? These are but few of the 100s of inaccuracies in Quran & we haven't include all those that would be if Mo hadn't come up with Abrogation theory....muslims love coming up with these theories to cover up their own stupidity..only dumb muslims get fooled by them.
Not chance- Mo knew 1st Muslims were ignorant ^ stupid
Many modern-day scientists have been astonished by the Quran's scientific miracles. Allow us to introduce to u Dr. T. V. N. Persaud, Professor of Anatomy, Pediatrics & Child Health, and Professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences at the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
There, he was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy for 16 years. He is well-known in his field. He is the author or editor of 22 textbooks and has published over 181 scientific papers.
MUSLIMS ARE MASTERS OF IGNORANCE AND DECEPTION BEING DECEIVED AND DECEIVING OTHERS ABOUT SCRIPTURE AS IF THEY ARE WISER THAN CHRISTIANS AND HAVE ANSWERS ABOUT THE BIBLE HA HA HA LOL
ANSWERER TO QUESTION ABOUT SIGNS
MARK 8:11-13 THE PHARISEES CAME FORTH AND BEGAN TO QUESTION JESUS AND SEEKING A SIGN FROM HEAVEN AS PROOF THAT HE IS CHRIST THE MESSIAH THE SON OF GOD ***TEMPTING HIM*** TEMPTING JESUS***
AFTER HAVING SEEN MANY SIGNS WONDERS AND MIRACLES THEY REFUSED TO BELIEVE JOHN 12:37
In Mark 8:12 he said, "Why does this generation ask for a miraculous sign? I tell you the truth, NO SIGN WILL BE GIVEN TO IT."
No sign? None at all? He can't be serious now, can he? Doesn't 16:20 claim "... the Lord worked with them & confirmed his word by the SIGNS that accompanied it"? Was Mark DRUNK when he wrote that?
John 20:30 also CRAPS "Jesus did many other miraculous SIGNS in the presence of his disciples"
@zorin85 There is nothing miraculous with the Quran the only feature is How incredulous the book is: it's amazing any1 would think it is a good book much less a divine book- so bad is it's compilation, diction & clarity. That is why a translation is fool parenthesis to give some meaning to the jumbled up text!
Plus in it is doctrines, philosophies, science known in Muhammad's time- there is no REAL prophetic content- Mo gives us no HARD FACTS regards past covenants, BIBLE, Islamic? jews & xtians
You muslims make silly boasts: like u don't need bible....yet you NEED IT when you have to refer to your allah when you talking about your allah b4 Quran.,
TELL ME SHOW ME YOUR ALLAH B4 QURAN....what witness or record did your allah leave of himself B4(BEFORE THE QURAN)...U DO KNOW WHAT I AM ASKING... 4when we ask this, Muslims answer from the Quran....but my question would mean QURAN NEVER EXISTED THEN....or do u think we playing back2future?? this non-fiction not fiction
You see how foolish your theories are.....for even when we reason from what your purport you are vague & sneaky like your own profit. WE ASK YOU TO SHOW US IMPLICATIONS OF CORRUPT BIBLE...and then u give us baby talk regards the matter??
Give us cold hard facts?? Your incompetent allah left no SOUND WITNESS of himself B4 Arab profit- how we know he changed prophetic line from Jews to Arab? HOW?
The Qur'an itself is a LIVING MIRACLE that has transcended the passing of ages & continues to astound modern-minds with scientific & factual pronouncements far ahead of its time. So, even if Xtian RETARDS deny the 300 miracles of the Prophet, the miracle of the Qur'an itself is enough to DEMOLISH their CHILDISH claims.
Fabricated hadith? Like the FABRICATED stories in the CORRUPTED NT (e.g. John 7:53—8:11)? That's a JOKE in itself, coming from Xtian IMBECILES. Hadith record historical events.
@zorin85 "The miracle of the Quran"- is Mo's silly tool to bring some respectablility to his profithood....since he had NO miracle- he made up excuse the book that comes via his psyche was Miracle.....God doesn't back him with miracles but Mo endorses his own book saying it is miraculous. Does the Idiot know what a miracle is??
One of Mo's scribes did finish a sura by interjecting..'best of creators'- Mo told him to use this for his quran & the scribe realised he could do what Mo could do!
@zorin85 Mo told us he was in past book- HE HAS NOT SHOWN US THIS IS TRUE....so we have not reason or proof he is a prophet. Especially as from his character, words & lifestyle he was more profit than prophet. He has NO real spiritual insight & has offered up a silly book that is laughable & banal- full of matter about the life of the deluded profit of Islam. Why does allah show us a 7th century robber, spiritually ignorant as example to world?? That's why Terrorists have Mo as best example!
If Xtian NINCOMPOOPS still insist on the STUPID MYTH that the Bible is preserved by God from any corruption, then answer the following:
Why do the contemporary versions of the Bible claim that "the earliest manuscripts and many other ancient witnesses do NOT have John 7:53—8:11"? Why was this passage EXPUNGED unceremoniously from the modern Bibles?
Why do Protestants EXCLUDE the Apocrypha from their canon but Catholics accept it?
Why r Xtian DUMBASS unable to explain these? EMBARRASSED by their own Bible?
In Matt1:17 there were were 28 generations from David to Jesus. BUT Luke 3:23-31 records only 43. What happened to the rest?
In Matt 1:16, Jacob is listed as Joseph's father BUT in Luke 3:23 it is Heli. Which is true?
According to Matt 1:23, he was supposed to be named Immanuel. BUT verse 25 states, he was named Jesus. How come? Another case of a FALSE prophecy? (and, believe me, there r PLENTY in the Bible)
It is tragic that IDIOTIC Xtians seem to entertain the DELUSION that God has preserved every single book mentioned in the Bible. We will show them just how far they have GONE ASTRAY. Their Bible asks:
"... are they not written in the book of the annals of the kings of Judah?" (2 Kings 15:36)
"Is this not written in the Book of Jashar?" (Josh 10:13)
"... are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet" (2 Chronicles 9:29)
Where r those books today? Why did God FAIL to preserve it?
As a result, Muslim ONLY accept those portion of the Bible which is genuinely from God. The part of which, was written by men who were NOT divinely inspired is rejected outright or treated with utmost skepticism. But how do we establish which portion of the Bible is from God?
The Qur'an is also known as Al Furqan (chapter 25) which means the Criterion - to distinguish between Truth & Falsehood. Thus, whichever part of the Bible which AGREES with the Quran is accepted as genuine revelation.
Let's get one thing clear. No Muslim would say the Bible is 100% corrupted & neither does the Quran support that position. What Muslims believe is that, in addition to the words of God (which r still found in the Bible), there r also words of prophets, historians & other less worthy sources which is NOT meant to be there. Worse, there r known FORGERIES & anonymous writings by those who FALSELY claimed they were inspired by God.
This DISHONEST attitude is CONDEMNED in the Qur'an 2:79.
For those CONCEITED Jews who deny Jesus & those PERVERSELY ARROGANT Xtians who reject the prophethood of Muhammad, we could only share the predicaments of the prophets Ezekiel & Zechariah
"Son of man, you are living among a rebellious people. They have eyes to see but do not see & ears to hear but do not hear, for they are a rebellious people" (12:2)
"But they refused to pay attention; stubbornly they turned their backs & stopped up their ears" (7:11)
Even after 2000 years, only an extremely tiny number of Jews have accepted Jesus. The overwhelming majority continue to treat him as an impostor, illegitimate son of Mary (may God forbid us for even saying this), devil's disciple, & the worst insult of all - the FALSE MESSIAH.
Why would they do such things to Jesus if he was indeed the Messiah they r waiting for?
Try preaching those messianic prophecies to them & see the kind of answer they gonna come up with. It'll b FRUSTRATING for Xtians.
@zorin85 THE BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS THE JEWS WILL REFUSE TO BELIEVE UNTIL THEY THEY ARE PERSECUTED BY ANTI CHRIST AND ARE UNABLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES ANY LONGER THEN THEY WILL CALL AGAIN ON THE GOD OF ISRAEL FOR THE MESSIAH TO COME AND SAVE THEM
THEN YAHWEH WILL SEND JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD FROM HEAVEN AND HE WILL APPEAR AT THE MOUNT OF OLIVES AND JEWS WILL BE HORRIFIED AND REPENT FOR REJECTING JESUS BEFORE &JESUS WILL KILL THE ANTI CHRIST AND DESTROY ALL MUSLIM NATIONS WHO ATTACK ISRAEL
Such an attitude is not altogether unexpected from people claiming to b religious & knowledgeable. Just look at Xtian-Jewish relations. Till today, Xtian RETARDS boast there r about 300 messianic prophecies in the OT foretelling the coming of Jesus as the Messiah.
300 prophecies? Quite an astonishing figure, u will agree. And yet not even 1 of those 300 is able to convince the Jewish people that Jesus was indeed their awaited Messiah. In fact they have persuasive answer to each of those.
It is perhaps of the greatest irony that BLIND & DELUDED Xtians continue to deny the divinely appointed prophethood of Muhammad as God's Last & Final Messenger despite his advent being foretold in the UNCORRUPTED part of their Scripture & the many signs & wonders he had displayed throughout his prophetic mission.
This happens to people when they willfully choose to remain BLIND to the Truth & r unwilling to consider facts & evidence presented. Prejudice, bigotry & arrogance go hand in hand.
Does insulting a prophet as a liar & mad deny him the office of Prophethood? DERANGED Xtian SWINES seem to think so. Let's see what the family & critics of Christ thought about him & his preaching:
When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind." (Mark 3:21)
For even his own brothers did not believe in him. (John 7:5)
It is truly TRAGIC that in the case of Jesus his own family thought him to be mad & a liar. Were they justified?
Thus, there isn't a shred of evidence that either Uthman, Hafsah or anyone tampered with the text of the Qur'an. Even if they had wanted to, it would have been VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE as the complete Qur'an had been memorised by thousands of Muslims living at that time. Any attempt to corrupt the text would have been known to them & the culprit exposed
The Uthmanic Recension merely standardised the recitation of the text by introducing diacritical marks that allowed a uniform reading. Nothing more
Dr. John Burton states that the Quran as we have it today is:
“…the text which has come down to us in the form in which it was organized & approved by the Prophet.. What we have today in our hands IS the mushaf of Muhammad"
Schwally concurs that:
“As far as the various pieces of revelation are concerned, we may be confident that their text has been generally transmitted EXACTLY as it was found in the Prophet’s legacy.”
(Source: Geschichte des Qorans, Leipzig,1909-38, Vol.2, p.120)
Is the Qur'an that we have today the SAME as that was revealed to the Prophet & recorded by his trusted companions? If Muslims r to answer this in the affirmative, Xtian BABOONS would jump in their cages & claim we r to hoodwink them.
Therefore, let us be generous & quote from a couple of credible Xtian scholar of early Muslim texts.
The abominable sin of shirik in Islam is to associate partners with the One True God of Jesus. If a Muslim worships any other besides God, they automatically fall outside the pale of Islam. That is why the Prophet is NEVER worshiped at any time.
Only Xtians r excited in committing that heinous blasphemy when they FOOLISHLY claim Jesus is God incarnate. Such a DISGUSTING & UTTERLY SILLY concept can be found in PAGAN mystery religions where gods & goddesses frequently descend as mortals.
Exodus 34:29-30 talks about the glorious radiance that emanated from the face of Moses. That was yet another physical sign bestowed upon God's prophet.
Thus, even the Bible records incidents of physical signs accompanying prophets of God. Those signs r not the same but they vary according to the individual & what God has determined for them.
So, why should Muslims disbelieve when Buhaira bore testimony to the physical sign of prophethood he had witnessed? Was there any reason for him to lie?
So, the manifestation of physical sign does not amount to divine approval upon a person? Once again HARE-BRAINED Xtian SCUMS demonstrate their IGNORANCE of their own CORRUPTED scripture. Shame.
Was it not true that a star (a physical sign) guided the Magi to Jesus in Bethlehem as a sign that he was the awaited Messiah (Matt 2)?
Was it not true that Zechariah was unable to speak (another physical sign) as a fulfillment of God's promise that he will be the father of the prophet John (Luke 1:20)?
Where do Muslim sources claim the Prophet authored the Qur'an? How could an illiterate man compose such an incredibly soul-stirring & intellectually uplifting religious treatise which continues to exercise potent influence in attracting a large segment of humanity to the worship of the God of Jesus?
What academic qualification the Prophet had that the Qur'an contains up-to-date scientific & historical information?
Xtian IMBECILES r only shooting their feet off with their EMBARRASSING remarks.
Heretics? DELUDED Xtian PAGANS have been very busy raining down anathema upon rival Xtian sects for the past 2000 years. As if cursing fellow Xtians is not enough, competing churches who disagree with their own DEMENTED theology have been routinely massacred & expelled. U read all about that in the history of the Xtian Dark Ages.
The Dark Side of Christian History by Helen Ellerbe is good book to start with. Who r these BRAINLESS MORONS to denounce Buhaira & Waraqa as heretics? Matt 7:1-5?
The UNADULTERATED part of the Bible testifies to the advent of the Prophet as the Last & Final emissary sent forth by the One True God whom Christ worshiped. If that was not so, why would learned Christian scholars like the monk Buhaira & Waraqah ibn Naufal attest to his prophethood?
Why would a respected Jewish rabbi like Abdullah bin Salam insist that he recognised the signs of prophethood upon him as foretold in the Tanakh?
Why r Christian clergies being motivated to become Muslims today?
@zorin85 HEY DUMBO....you haven't given us any reason for us to believe THERE ARE UNADULTERATED parts of the Bible- HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT PARTS ARE WHAT???
We told u guys- we r not stupid muslims who worship muhammad & say allah & his apostle is (always) right! R u saying this Arab illiterate who claims his name is in our bible- is the same one who now tells us the bible is corrupt & all good bits are from his quran....we are Christians not Muslim IDIOTS!
U nincompoop..You say you respect Islam & then you disparage the bible....well IDIOT the prophet of Islam endorsed the bible SO YOU MUST TOO unless you lied when you said you respect Islam??
Either you believe Muhammad is Liar & bible is corrupt or you respect Islam & you are a fool & idiot to believe bible is corrupt.
Go and do your homework Boy...THE founder of religion u respect says bible is sound.
But how many philosophers worked wonders & miracles which would naturally accompany them if they were sent by God? None did. Did they claim to be sent by God? NEVER! Did they claim to be God's messengers? Ditto.
Not only the Qur'an claimed the Prophet was sent by God as His divinely appointed messenger unto the whole world, he was also able to perform 300 authentic miracles as recorded in hadeeth.
Moreover the Qur'an itself is a living miracle that enabled many to believe in its divine message
@zorin85 shut up! perhaps the philosophers were wiser than Muhammad & realised acting like a true prophet was madness. Mo had NO MIRACLES....quran said Mo was JUST A WARNER,,,,,do hadith writers KNOW MORE THAN your allah?? From the historical evidence, i.e those immediately around him & records Mo was not KNOWN FOR MIRACLES.. it is only later fabricated hadith came into play when Muslims realised boastin in NON MIRACULOUS man as best of prophets was laughable compared to MIRACLES OF JESUS.
@zorin85 so why has allah failed to mention any of these authenticated miracles?? Did he forget?? Or did he make BIG BIG ERROR in boasting about his prophet but failing to realise that an Apostle or Prophet needs signs & wonders in order to establish a SO CALLED NEW COVENANT!
The Quran is a jumbled confused book that NEEDS hadith to make it bearable much less readable. For even with context of hadith in it- the Quran is still repetitious rantings of a spiritual ignorant.
If Xtian FAGGOTS still insist on the DISCREDITED MYTH that the Bible is preserved by God from any corruption, then answer the following:
Why do the contemporary versions of the Bible claim that "the earliest manuscripts and many other ancient witnesses do NOT have John 7:53—8:11"? Why was this passage EXPUNGED unceremoniously from the modern Bibles?
Why do Protestants EXCLUDE the Apocrypha from their canon but Catholics accept it?
U still don't believe the Bible has been FABRICATED? Consider these:
In Matt1:17 there were were 28 generations from David to Jesus. BUT Luke 3:23-31 records only 43. What happened to the rest?
In Matt 1:16, Jacob is listed as Joseph's father BUT in Luke 3:23 it is Heli. Which is true?
According to Matt 1:23, he was supposed to be named Immanuel. BUT verse 25 states, he was named Jesus. How come? Another case of a FALSE prophecy? (and, believe me, there r PLENTY in the Bible)
It is tragic that IDIOTIC Xtians seem to entertain the DELUSION that God has preserved every single book mentioned in the Bible. We will show them just how far they have GONE ASTRAY. Their Bible asks:
"... are they not written in the book of the annals of the kings of Judah?" (2 Kings 15:36)
"Is this not written in the Book of Jashar?" (Joshua 10:13)
"... are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet" (2 Chronicles 9:29)
Where r those books today? Why did God FAIL to preserve it?
@zorin85 hey dumbo!! U FORGETTIN U HAVE SAID BIBLE IS CORRUPT....THEREFORE BIBLE CAN NEVER BE USED AS A REFERENCE OR GUIDE FOR US.....SINCE IT IS DUMB MUSLIMS WHO CLAIM IT IS CORRUPT & THE SAME DUMB MUSLIMS WHO WILL INFORM US WHAT IS GOOD & WHAT IS WRONG IN IT......this is not REASONABLE.........only dumb muslims would believe such stupidity!!
Jesus preached that salvation is granted to those who repent sincerely to God (the 3 parables in Luke 15; see also Ezekiel 18). The Qur'an affirms it as follows:
“And whoever does evil or wrongs himself but afterwards seeks God's forgiveness, he will find God Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (4:10, see also 11:52, 20:82, 39:53)
Jesus NEVER preached the Pauline dogma of the Original Sin (c.f. Matt 18:3, 19:14, see also Deut 24:16, Ezek 18:20) - the Qur'an AGREES with him (6:164, 17:15)
The Glorious Qur'an was revealed as the Furqan (Criterion) to distinguish between Truth & Falsehood. Whichever part of the Bible which is genuinely from God is accepted, while the FABRICATED/CORRUPTED portion is rejected. For instance,
All the prophets of Israel (including Jesus) preached that God is One & Only - the Qur'an endorses it (112:1, 59:22-24, 5:72, 2:255, et. al).
Trinity is a MAN-MADE BLASPHEMY devoid of God's truth - the Qur'an REPUDIATES it in no uncertain term (4:171, 5:73-75).
@zorin85 the Quran isn't 100% coming via Muhammad- that is 2say NO MUSLIM CAN SHOW Uthman included everything that came via Mo's mouth & Mo said was of Quran. Hafsa's quran was destroyed & this was b4 uthman's & Uthman destroyed other versions of Quran.
If Muslim's don't do Association....then why do they have Mo included in Shahadah? And why under Islamic theology 100% allah's word only comes via quran that is 100% supposedly coming via Muhammad? allah NEEDS MUHAMMAD 2 give 100% to his words
@zorin85 again how can we believe ALL the prophets preached one God if it comes via Muhammad?? We have NOT shown YET MUHAMMAD IS A PROPHET??
REMEMBER IDIOT...WE DON'T HAVE BIBLE....SO WE ONLY GOT WHAT AN ARAB ILLITERATE SAYS....& THIS ARAB ILLITERATE HAS NO REFERENCE POINT BUT TO SAY.....THE BOOK I SAY IS CORRUPT SPEAKS ABOUT ME BUT IT IS THE BITS THAT I SAY IS TRUE ABOUT ME THAT IS OK. THE BITS THAT SHOW I AM A LIAR & FALSE PROPHET U CAN SAY IS CORRUPT......SHUT UP THIS IS MUSLIM MADNESS!!
For the benefit of those Xtians who r MENTALLY DERANGED, I reiterate that even Xtian scholars of the Bible have come to recognize it as a FLAWED & CORRUPTED text. I invite Xtian IMBECILES to ponder the following
Why would a committed, born-again Xtian fundamentalist like Dr. Bart Ehrman renounce Xtianity in favour of agnosticism when he was studying in a Bible institute? U will find the answer in the opening pages of his international bestseller, Misquoting Jesus.
At the same time, however, millions of others r embracing this faith - WITHOUT the benefit of being influenced by the Bible or by studying Judaeo-Christian doctrines. Atheists, agnostics, Hindus, Buddhists are among those who don't give a second thought about Xtianity but they r still drawn to accept Islam as God's Truth revealed for the benefit of His creation.
This goes to show that even WITHOUT the backing of Judaism & Xtianity, Islam can still stand on its own & attract new converts.
Thus, they gave full credence to the Prophet's mission as foretold by the prophets of old & embraced Islam. Among those include the Abyssinian Xtian king Negus who became a Muslim before his demise. More on this, can be read in the book Muhammad in the Bible by David B. Keldani (former Catholic priest)
Even today, we witness Xtian priests, pastors & preachers coming to Islam - by studying the Bible. Among those r Yusuf Estes, Dr. Jerald Dirks, Idris Tawfiq, Kenneth L. Jenkins & Joshua Evans.
At the same time, knowledgeable Christian clergies like the monk Buhaira, Waraqah ibn Naufal & the learned Jewish rabbi Abdullah ibn Salam recognised the signs of divine prophethood upon the person of Muhammad.
As scholars who r well versed with their respective Scriptures they could discern for themselves the advent of the Last Prophet foretold in the UNCORRUPTED portions of their Scripture, like in the books of Deuteronomy, Daniel, Isaiah & the authentic sayings of Jesus the Nazarene.
The 1st generation of Muslims accepted Islam because of the eloquent message of the Qur'an, the sublime & truthful character of the Prophet, and how the simple, down-to-earth doctrine of Islam is practical & appealed to reason. They didn't have to read the Bible to recognise the truth of Islam.
Even today, there r millions of people who continue to embrace Islam because of its message. Just how many of them studied the Bible before accepting it? Hardly. Islam is NOT dependent on the Bible.
@zorin85 O dumb & depraved Muslim: U say Muslims accepted Islam bcos of eloquent message of Quran & so called character of Prophet & how simple & appealing to reason this is?? By the silly quran Muslims believe for u this is a false reason?? For there were many philosophers who could also claim this but they were not sent of God. This shows DUMB Muslims in Mo's days & now don't know the CRITERION for a Prophet!! Even NOW pastors have better criteria than ur profit but they aren't PROPHETS!
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Since we have touched on TRUE PROPHECIES in the Qur'an which have been fulfilled, let us now look closely at some FALSE PROPHECIES in the CORRUPTED Bible.
Isaiah 19:18 "In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction."
The Canaanite language has NEVER been spoken in Egypt, and is now an extinct.
Didn't the IDIOTIC Holy Spirit know that?
ROLF.
zorin85 23 minutes ago
It is PATHETIC Xtian RETARDS r still unable to comprehend what their CORRUPTED Bible says about dealing with the effects of sinning. Where does Ezekiel 18, Dan 4:27, Hosea 6:6, 1 Sam 15:22 & Prov 21:3 insist on guilt offering for the forgiveness of sins?
Does God desire sacrifice & burnt offerings? "For I desire mercy, NOT sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God RATHER THAN burnt offerings." (Hosea 6:6).
Why r Xtian NINCOMPOOPS so blind to God's salvation which NEVER demanded human sacrifice?
zorin85 25 minutes ago
IF SALVATION COMES BY KEEPING THE LAW THEN ALL WHO KEPT THE LAW WOULD BE SAVED.AND NONE WHO KEPT THE LAW FROM THEIR YOUTH WOULD BE DISSATISFIED & COME TO JESUS SOME OPENLY & MANY SECRETLY ASKING WHAT SHOULD I DO TO INHERIT ETERNAL LIFE.
JESUS IS THE GIVER OF THE LAW THE GOD WHO GAVE THE LAW. THE LAW ONLY CAN EXPOSE A MANS SINFULNESS BUT IS UNABLE TO SAVE .
IF THE LAW IS ABLE TO SAVE GOD WOULD HAVE NEVER PROMISED A SAVIOR BUT GOD TOLD ISRAELI PROPHETS THAT HE WILL BE THEIR SAVIOR
HOSEA 13:14
holyspiritdove 3 hours ago
THE VERY PRESENCE OF JESUS WHO IS GOD IN THE FLESH WHO IS SALVATION HIMSELF WHO CAME TO ZACCHAEUS HOUSE .
WHEN ZACCHAEUS WAS ALWAYS WILLFULLY VIOLATING THE VERY LAW THAT JESUS CHRIST GAVE.
WHO IS THE LORD GOD WHO GAVE THE SABBATH
GOD JESUS VERY PRESENCE MADE ZACHEAUS TO REPENT
AND OBEY GOD WHO DID NOT CONDEMN HIM BUT FORGAVE HIM FOR NO HIGH PRIEST OR ANY PROPHET COULD BRING SALVATION TO ANYONE BUT ONLY JESUS HIMSELF WHO IS SALVATION SAID
SALVATION =REPENTANCE AND FAITH IN JESUS AMEN.
holyspiritdove 3 hours ago
One has to ask where does Ezekiel 18, Dan 4:27, Hosea 6:6, 1 Sam 15:22 & Prov 21:3 insist on sin offering in the form of young bull in order to attain salvation from God?
Did Jesus demand Zacchaeus participate in that ritual so salvation may come into his house?
Look into the parables of the Lost Sheep, the Lost Coin & the Lost Son narrated by Jesus in Luke 15. Where is there any mention of sin offering of any kind? Didn't Jesus say repentance alone sufficeth?
R Xtian SCUMS smarter than him?
zorin85 23 hours ago
Did the (un)Holy Spirit just pee into their maggot-eaten brains? How come they missed the opening words which say "When anyone sins UNINTENTIONALLY ..."? Does the word "unintentionally" carry any significance to those BRAIN-DEAD Xtians? Looks like it does not.
Doesn't the Bible distinguish between INTENTIONAL & UNINTENTIONAL sins? Didn't Ezekiel 18, Dan 4:27, Hosea 6:6, 1 Sam 15:22 & Prov 21:3 insist on repentance, obedience & mercy in relation to salvation?
Or do Xtian IMBECILES know better?
zorin85 1 day ago
@zorin85 PEANUT HEAD.....sin is sin You blonker you have yourself described it as intentional SIN or unintentional SIN it is STILL SIN YOU DUMB*SS! The LORD said to Moses: If anyone sins and is unfaithful to the LORD by deceiving his neighbour about something entrusted to him or left in his care or stolen, or if he cheats him, or if he finds lost property and lies about it, or if he swears falsely, or if he commits any such sin that people may do— ,
christ4all2allmyall 20 hours ago
cont-d: when he thus sins and becomes guilty, he must return what he has stolen or taken by extortion, or what was entrusted to him, or the lost property he found, or whatever it was he swore falsely about. He must make restitution in full, add a fifth of the value to it and give it all to the owner on the day he presents his guilt offering. And as a penalty he must bring to the priest, that is, to the LORD, his guilt offering, a ram from the flock, one without defect and of the proper value.
christ4all2allmyall 20 hours ago
cont-d: IN THIS WAY the priest will make ATONEMENT for him before the LORD, and he WILL BE FORGIVEN for any of these things he did that made him guilty.
you DUMBSCHMUCK!! Who has been teaching you biblical interpretation: Islam idiocy program?? The above sins were INTENTIONAL & forgiveness of sin INCLUDED BLOOD Sacrifice EVEN THOUGH person may have made restitution.
For even the Son of Man did not come to be served, but to serve, and to give his LIFE as a RANSOM for many. Mark & Matthew
christ4all2allmyall 19 hours ago
Thus, for Jesus, sincere repentance is absolutely essential for genuine salvation. Repentance must also be accompanied by righteous conduct (Matt 3:8).
Why did Jesus inform Zacchaeus that “today salvation has come to (his) house" (Luke 19:9)? Did Jesus tell him that he will only be saved after he was crucified & resurrected? NONE at all.
The simple reason being Zacchaeus agreed to donate half his possessions to the poor & compensate those whom he may have cheated.
That's what Islam teaches!
zorin85 1 day ago
@zorin85 The LORD said to Moses,
Say to the Israelites: 'When anyone sins unintentionally and does what is forbidden in any of the LORD's commands- 'If the anointed priest sins, bringing guilt on the people, he must bring to the LORD a young bull without defect as a sin offering for the sin he has committed. Leviticus 4:1-3.
You Nincompoop! Hosea, Ezekiel & Daniel were living under these old testament regulations- Don't you know anything? Didn't your foolish prophet teach you anything? haha!
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
@christ4all2allmyall I respect all religions. But I am interested if you can disprove my claims.
DerelictDeciever 1 day ago
@DerelictDeciever I just did u Islamophile.....u r jus like a Muslim I gave a answer & u justg dismiss it RESPOND TO IT YOU NINCOMPOOP!!
You are not Islam's profit who would offer up a monolgue of him debating with others; you r debating a person who has made a statement..Respond to it; are u sure u r not a silly muslim?? This is what Muslims do!!
christ4all2allmyall 20 hours ago
@christ4all2allmyall Listen, I'm am an AGNOSTIC! I DO NOT BELIEVE IN CHRISTIANITY OR ISLAM. BOTH ARE MAN-MADE. I AM TELLING YOU how can you say your imaginary friend God and zombie Jesus are better than Islam? True, I came from a Turkish background so I lean towards Islam in support but my position is clear. Don't assume everyone is a Muslim.
DerelictDeciever 3 hours ago
@FOOL
This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins. Jesus's words spoken of in Matthew 26:28.......
Why is a dumb muslim like you continuing to speak & foolishly interpret a book to superior for muslims??
I TOLD U HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO INTERPRET YOUR OWN SILLY BOOK & Have got many things wrong in it- so why should we listen to your silly interpretations of the GREATER BIBLE.
WHY SHOULD WE LISTEN 2IGNORANT ISLAMICIST WHO SH*T ABOUT RELIGION??
christ4all2allmyall 19 hours ago
@zorin85 NOW CAN YOU PLEASE SHOW ME WHY I WOULD FOLLOW the islamic god, who unlike our God, your god had a 100% losing of his past books. which means allah can never be trusted...he got stitched by people b4 & he got stitched with Quran too. He says he makes no difference with his profits....so this means Mo too! allah stitched him up & allah is best of deceivers!
Hahaha! U have a god u can't trust- he gets his past books lost. Now when u can show us this Islamic injil then talk- if not SHUT UP
christ4all2allmyall 19 hours ago
Only PAGANS like the ancient Egyptians & Aztecs performed human sacrifice for religious purpose. Such abomination is unheard of in the Semitic religions - which is why Abraham was STOPPED from sacrificing his 2nd son.
Did Jesus teach blood atonement was an absolute necessity to attain salvation? NEVER! Read the 3 parables in Luke 15. What message do they impart?
"... there will be more rejoicing in heaven over 1 sinner who repents than over 99 righteous persons who do not need to repent" (7)
zorin85 1 day ago
It appears that DERANGED Xtian MANGY DOGS seem to know better on the matter pertaining to salvation than the God they PRETEND to worship.
Let us ponder for a moment: does the Bible insist on sacrifice & blood atonement for the forgiveness of sins? Neither Ezekiel 18 nor Dan 4:27, Hosea 6:6, 1 Sam 15:22 & Prov 21:3 insist on it. Repentance, obedience & mercy sufficeth
Does that mean God has LIED to the Xtians all these while? Or did the Xtians DECEIVE themselves with their FOOLISHNESS? Perhaps.
zorin85 1 day ago
The existence of a Qur’an with a different arrangement of the surahs or with what is called “revisions” – even though they are irrelevant and minor – is NOT evidence for a revised Qur’an.
The oral tradition of the Qur’an is so well established that any minor textual “error” can be EASILY rectified.
The arrangement of the surahs and verses do NOT effect the text but are arbitrary methods to counting and splitting the text up; which has NO bearing on the textual integrity of the Qur’an.
zorin85 1 day ago
Similarly Richard Bell made another translation in the early thirties with what he called a “critical rearrangement of the surahs.”
Moreover, it has been reported that the companions of the Prophet Muhammed used to keep copies whose arrangement of surahs was different though there were no differences in the verse arrangement.
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zorin85 1 day ago
It is well known that for academic and other purposes the Qur’an has been published from time to time with surahs arranged according to the order of their revelation. Thus for instance, A. Rodwell published a English translation of the Qur’an in 1861 rearranging the surahs according to their order of publication.
And early in the twentieth century a Muslim of Bengal, Mirza Abul Fazl, issued a new translation arranging the surahs according to the order of their revelation.
zorin85 1 day ago
This difference in numbering doesn’t affect the text as a whole. Even Flugel, a famous Orientalist numbered the Qur’an differently from the standard text.
It must be noted that Dr Puin doesn’t mention changes to the text, ONLY in the numbering of the verses, which has no impact on the text as a whole.
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zorin85 1 day ago
Differences in the numbering of verses have never been a cause for concern with regards to the textual integrity of the Qur’anic text.
Classical Muslim scholarship has debated many opinions on the where a verse starts and where one should finish, hence difference in numbering.
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zorin85 1 day ago
Hence when a hafidh (someone who has memorised the Quran) refers to a copy of the Qur’an with a small mistake such as an incorrect alif, he will easily understand the word and make the correction.
Take for example the word ‘understanding’ in English. If read the following way: “understndng” anyone could comprehend the meaning, especially if the incorrectly spelt word was placed in a sentence.
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zorin85 1 day ago
Refuting the claims
1) The incorrect writing of the alif at some places does not in any way effect the integrity of the text as a whole. This is due to the fact that the oral recurrent reporting of the Quranic text has always been used as the standard reference.
The skeletal form or the representation of the text in the Arabic language has always been used as a secondary reference.
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zorin85 1 day ago
Arguments that attempt to undermine the oral tradition can only be described as conspiratorial and absurd.
Unless someone argues that all of these hufadh throughout the ages – at different points in time and different places in the world – somehow came together to ensure that they all memorised and recited the exact same Qur’an, then there is no alternative explanation. To pose such an argument is irrational.
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zorin85 1 day ago
The amount of varying oral transmissions and the amount of people who have learnt the Qur’an – in addition to there being no discrepancy in what they have memorised – is not a historical accident.
The conclusion can only be that the Qur’an memorised today is the one that was taught 1400 years ago. There is no other rational explanation for this unique oral phenomenon.
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zorin85 1 day ago
The implications of this are astonishing. If millions of people who have memorised the Qur’an can trace their oral memorisation of the Qur’an down the centuries of teachers and scholars all the way back to the Prophet himself, who could doubt the authenticity of this oral tradition?
Especially if these millions of hufadh live in different places in the world and have learnt the Qur’an via different teachers and scholars.
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zorin85 1 day ago
But it will suffice to mention that we have many manuscripts of the Qur’an dated back to the 1st century after the hijra. These can be compared to the current copies we have today, and it can be seen that NOTHING has been altered.
The oral tradition of the Qur’an is a phenomenon unique to Islam. There is an estimate of over 20 million hufadh (people who have memorised the Qur’an) in the world, & millions of these hufadh have learnt the Qur’an via a direct transmission starting from the Prophet.
zorin85 1 day ago
Before I start to discuss his claims, it must be noted that Dr. Puin himself mentions that these discrepancies are MINOR and they would not probably lead to any sudden and significant advances in the field of Qur’anic studies.
The Qur’an is preserved historical document. There are two intellectual traditions regarding the preservation of the Qur’an, an oral tradition and a textual tradition.
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zorin85 1 day ago
Let us take a closer look at how Darling Puin went ASTRAY in his observation.
Dr. Gerd. R. Puin wrote an article under the title of “Observations on early Qur’an manuscripts in Sana”. This article concludes that:
1) In a number of manuscripts the letter alif is written in an incorrect way
2) There are some differences in the numbering of verses in some surah’s (chapters of the Qur’an)
3) In 2 or 3 sheets he has found the surahs are written in an alternative order to that of the standard Quran
zorin85 1 day ago
Dr. Burton is a more eminent & established Qur'an scholar than ur Darling Puin & his misbegotten theories. It was only after surveying all the available manuscripts (including Sana) did he come to the conclusion that there is NOT an iota of change in the Qur'an we have today compared to the revelation to the Prophet.
NO Bible scholar can say the same about the CORRUPTED Bible.
Dr. Burton even refutes Puin's SKEWERED theories. Go & read his book. It is taught in public universities.
zorin85 1 day ago
Is the One True God amused by ur PAGAN human sacrifice & blood offerings? Does that buy u salvation? Open ur eyes wide & take a closer look.
"For I desire mercy, NOT sacrifice" (Hosea 6:6)
"Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. (1 Sam 15:22)
"To do what is right and just is more acceptable to the LORD than sacrifice." (Prov 21:3)
zorin85 1 day ago
Human sacrifice & blood atonement r NOT required to reconcile sinful man with his God. Only PAGANS believe otherwise.
"And if a wicked man turns away from his wickedness and does what is just and right, he will live by doing so." (Ezek 33:19)
"Renounce your sins by doing what is right, and your wickedness by being kind to the oppressed. It may be that then your prosperity will continue." (Dan 4:27)
"They went out and preached that people should repent." (Mark 6:12)
This is what Islam teaches
zorin85 1 day ago
@zorin85 AWAY FROM US U DUMB FOOLS!
Ezekiel 43: For seven days you are to provide a male goat daily for a sin offering; you are also to provide a young bull and a ram from the flock, both without defect.
YOU DON'T KNOW YOUR QURAN AND YET YOU CAN SPEAK ABOUT OUR BOOK...GET LOST YOU DOG!! Ezekiel was endorsing the sacrifice & blood atonement that would be truly fulfilled in Jesus the Lamb of God, that takes away the sins of the World as John Baptist stated! Or should we listen to liars like u?
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
O Xtian IMBECILE who does not know ur own FABRICATED Scripture. Does the Bible necessitate punishment for sinners in order to reconcile him with God? Is it not earnest repentance sufficient?
“But if a wicked man turns away from all the sins he has committed and keeps all my decrees & does what is just and right, he will surely live; he will NOT die. None of the offenses he has committed will be remembered against him. Because of the righteous things he has done, he will live. " (Ezek 18:21-22)
zorin85 1 day ago
If Jesus did speak in harmony with past prophets, why do Jews still REJECT him - even after a staggering 2000 years?! Where does the Bible say literacy is a MUST in order to be a prophet? It doesn't. But Xtian TURDS do. They think they know better than God? What a joke!
Matt CRAPS in 27:53 to DECEIVE gullible Xtians. "They came out of the tombs, and after Jesus’ resurrection they went into the holy city and appeared to MANY PEOPLE".
Many people? Like whom? Santa Claus? Elvis? NO RECORD!
zorin85 1 day ago
@zorin85 by allah for you YOU ARE STUPID! Can you say that John Burton did look at the Sana'a script? What is his reason for previous texts being rubbed out on the parchments? Or the confused writings? Puin saw the script...did this John Burton? Have you read this John Burton book? Or are you just trawling internet for any scholar post 1972?
You nincompoop- get a brain & come back when you learnt to be scholarly yourself- you are showing us what I said= u just ugly internet TROLL who hate us!
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
Since Xtian BABOONS r so much in love with darling Puin, perhaps we could rope in Dr, Burton who said "…the text which has come down to us in the form in which it was organized and approved by the Prophet…. What we have today in our hands is the mushaf of Muhammad."
Source: John Burton, The Collection of the Quran, Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1977, p.239-40.
Here is a book published in 1977 - a full 5 years after the DEMENTED Puin's so-called discovery!
zorin85 1 day ago
It is those Xtian TURDS who lack the intellectual capacity to grasp simple facts. Don't blame God for ur own FOOLISHNESS.
The Qur'an clearly says 'he perceived' the phenomenon. To perceive something & its reality r 2 DIFFERENT things. R Xtian SCUMS so dense in their head? So EMBARRASSING.
zorin85 1 day ago
Scholars can say what they want & they r NOT infallible. Bottom-line is does the Qur'an mention the name Alexander? It does NOT. Regardless of whether Dzulkarnain is a name or title, the name of Alexander is not even hinted. That's it.
Muhammad is a NAME of a historical person - NOT a title. Only RETARDS would insist otherwise.
zorin85 1 day ago
DECEIVED & UTTERLY DELUDED Xtian IDOLATERS blaspheme against God when they claim that the UNCHANGING (Mal 3:6) Creator of the heavens & the earth CHANGED into an IMPOTENT (John 5:30) & IGNORANT (Mark 13:32) creature in the person of Christ.
What is even more LAUGHABLE is that this supposedly Omnipotent deity could not just grant forgiveness for the sins we have committed but instead is forced to undergo torment & a shameful death like a common criminal in the hands of his own creature. RUBBISH!
zorin85 1 day ago
@zorin85 O Muslims most stupid of all peoples!
When someone blasphemes your profit there is NO FORGIVENESS you desire JUSTICE ON BEHALF OF YOUR PROFIT BE WRONGED........payment is needed for those who are offended. Now if payment is needed for your profit & he is sinful & not divine- HOW MUCH MORE PAYMENT IS NEEDED FOR THOSE WHO TRANSGRESS THE LAW??
For the Law prescribes punishment for the wrong doer- should God say the soul that sins it shall die & then say no I forgive at same time?
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
@zorin85 no this would make God out to be a liar...like allah who says something but it isn't true!!
But when the Man who sins he does in fact die; but in God's system there is a Sacrificial system that can redeem a man from sin- as seen through the Law of Moses!
But why are we telling you these things- inform us on the Law that Moses instigated through your allah- we have it but you only have corrupt source- we want what allah gave you? Can u give us? haha! See how foolhardy 2believe muslims?
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
The FACT that many STUPID Xtian SCUMS tend to overlook is that the One True God DID leave sound witness of Himself in the UNCORRUPTED portions of the Bible.
That is the part which says God is STRICTLY One & Only - and NOT some IDIOTIC Trinity - and God ALONE should be worshiped. Love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength, says Deut 6:5. Go & look it up.
Xtian MORONS must also realise Biblical Corruption is an ESTABLISHED FACT - not theory!
zorin85 1 day ago
@zorin85 further he was devoid of the Spirit of God, which distinguishes all Prophets...so he was the devil's great instrument bcos he was not learned in Scriptures.....and in truth the true meaning of Illiteracy may not be that Muhammad couldn't read or write but that he was ignorant of the Scriptures( WHICH HE INTIMATES WAS AROUND)- but he couldn't read them because they WERE NOT TRANSLATED INTO ARABIC...so how could he know more than Christians??
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
If Xtian FOOLS r interested in FALSE APOSTLES, why not look into Paul the DECEIVER. Consider his CONFLICTING testimonies:
'And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man' (Acts 9:7)
'And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.' (22:9)
Did they hear the voice or not? Did they see anyone or not?
Perhaps the Devil can help Xtians exonerate Paul the CON-MAN.
zorin85 1 day ago
@zorin85 Read u fool I stated he was spiritually ignorant & illiterate...the fact he is illiterate means he is a PRIME CANDIDATE TO BE DECEIVED BY THE DEVIL- bcos even if he had seen God's past books he couldn't READ to see if they were true or not? He would have to rely on others accounts of the event! And since God had already sent his prophets and revealed that a prophet must speak in harmony with past prophets- Mo could NEVER know for sure what they said: COS HE COULDN'T READ.
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
DERANGED Xtian TURDS assume they know better than God when it comes selecting & appointing people as His prophets & messengers. Whether God chooses a prince or a paper, shepherd or a warrior, educated or an illiterate man is strictly His business. Did the One True God ever solicit advise from PAGAN Trinitarians before raising the Last & Final Prophet from Arabia as He had foretold his servants Moses, Isaiah, Daniel & Jesus?
Didn't He say "And my ways are far beyond anything you could imagine"?
zorin85 1 day ago
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It is DISTURBING that Xtian IMBECILES r beginning to lose touch with reality. How could they FOOLISHLY claim their INCOMPETENT God never lost his past books when the Bible states otherwise:
"... are they not written in the book of the annals of the kings of Judah?" (2 Kings 15:36)
"Is this not written in the Book of Jashar?" (Joshua 10:13)
"... are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet" (2 Chronicles 9:29)
Where r those books today? Why did God FAIL to preserve it?
zorin85 1 day ago
This one takes the cake in the list of FALSE BIBLE PROPHECIES.
Matthew 2:23 "And he came and dwelt in a city called Nazareth: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophets, He shall be called a Nazarene."
NOWHERE in the Old Testament is such a prophecy found, so how could such a one be fulfilled?
Did Matt CRAP through his rotting teeth? Or should that honour belong to the UTTERLY DERANGED Holy Spirit - the 3rd person of the PAGAN Xtian Trinity?
Take ur pick.
zorin85 1 day ago
Isaiah 7:14 "Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel."
Xtians say that this verse is a prophecy of Jesus' birth to a virgin.
First, virgin in this verse is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word "almah", which actually means "young woman" - not necessarily a virgin. "Bethulah" would have been the correct word to use if the author meant virgin.
Second, nowhere in the NT is Jesus referred to as Immanuel.
zorin85 1 day ago
Since we have touched on TRUE PROPHECIES in the Qur'an which have been fulfilled, let us now look closely at some FALSE PROPHECIES in the CORRUPTED Bible.
Isaiah 19:18 "In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the LORD of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction."
The Canaanite language has NEVER been spoken in Egypt, and is now an extinct.
zorin85 1 day ago
A month later, Heraclius entered Dastagird with its stupendous treasure. Khosrow was overthrown by his son, who made peace with Heraclius. Returning to Constantinople in triumph, Heraclius was hailed as a hero.
Also, in the year 624 AH, Muslims defeated the Meccans in the first and decisive Battle at Badr.
In the words of an Indian scholar:
“…a single line of prophecy was related to four nations and the fate of two great empires. All this PROVES the Holy Quran to be the Book of God.”
zorin85 1 day ago
(ii) The joy of the faithful on a victory over the pagans
Both of these prophecies ACTUALLY occurred.
In 622, Heraclius left Constantinople as prayers rose from its many sanctuaries for victory over the Persian Zoroastrians and the reconquest of Jerusalem. He devoted the next two years to campaigns in Armenia. In 627, he met the Persians near Nineveh. There, he killed three Persian generals in single combat, killed the Persian commander, and scattered the Persian host.
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zorin85 1 day ago
“The Romans have been defeated - in a land close by; but they, (even) after (this) defeat of theirs, will soon be victorious- within ten years. With God is the Decision, in the past and in the future: on that Day shall the believers rejoice with the help of God. He helps whom He will, and He is the Mighty, the Most-Merciful.” (Qur'an 30:2-4)
The Qur'an made a prophecy of two victories:
(i) The future Roman victory within ten years over Persians, something unimaginable at the time
zorin85 1 day ago
The Muslims were grieved by the Roman defeat as they felt spiritually closer to Christian Rome than Zoroastrian Persia, but the Meccans were naturally buoyed up by the victory of pagan Persia.
To Meccans, the Roman humiliation was a sinister omen of the defeat of the Muslims at pagan hands. At the time God’s prophecy comforted the faithful:
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zorin85 1 day ago
In 614, the Persians conquered Syria and Palestine, taking Jerusalem, destroying the Holy Sepulcher and the ‘True Cross’ carried to Ctesiphon. Then, in 619, they occupied Egypt and Libya. Heraclius met them at Thracian Heraclea (617 or 619), but they sought to capture him, and he rode madly back to Constantinople, hotly pursued.
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zorin85 1 day ago
Before the rise of Islam, the Romans and the Persians were two competing superpowers. Romans were led by Heraclius (610–641 CE), a Christian Emperor, whereas the Persians were Zoroastrians led by Khosrow Parviz (reigned 590–628 CE), under whom the empire achieved its greatest expansion.
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zorin85 1 day ago
Let's take another look at how Christ HOODWINKED his gullible Cross-kissin' chums.
Matt 16:28 “Verily I say unto you, there be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom”
Not some but EVERYONE standing there had tasted death but Christ, the King of the Jews (or shall we call him the King of CRAP) is yet to make his return. For 2000 years, Xtian TURDS have been waiting with their mouths wide open & looking up to heaven like IMBECILES
zorin85 1 day ago
Christian sects are not even agreed on the definition of what exactly is an “inspired” book of God. The Protestants are taught that there are 66 truly “inspired” books in the Bible, while the Catholics have been taught that there are 73 truly “inspired” books, not to mention the many other sects and their “newer” books, such as the Mormons, etc.
It is MONUMENTALLY STUPID that even after 2000 years, the DIMWITTED Xtian world could not even agree on the canon of their FABRICATED Scripture.
zorin85 1 day ago
Yet more evidence demolishing PAGAN Xtian accusations against the Qur'an:
The Institute for Koranforschung, for example, in the University of Munich (Germany), collected over 42,000 complete or incomplete ancient copies of the Quran.
After around fifty years of research, they reported that there was NO variance between the various copies, except the occasional mistakes of the copyist which could easily be ascertained. This Institute was unfortunately destroyed by bombs during WWII.
zorin85 1 day ago
@zorin85U nincompoop how can you give me a quote from an Orientalist that dates from 1909-38 as refuting Professor Puin….the Sana’a manuscripts where found in 1972 a full 30 years later. What is Schwally a prophet that he can write something before it has come. The guy never did SEE the manuscripts with watermarks of text written & re-written! This proves my point you are just trawling internet for sources without even thinking about it. THIS ’72 not ’38 PLONKER!
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
@zorin85 WWII? WWII? The manuscripts were found after this- so how can they have used this in their study?? You idiot do you know your maths?? Islamicists so used to lying will have all kinds of characters speak from the grave- if they can work science fiction ie- going back in history and placing their silly allah in places where he never was...then they can do this with scholarly works- this is SCIENCE WE DEALING WITH NOT SCIENCE FICITION...you Islamic idiot!
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
In response to Puin's HALF-BAKED opinions on the Qur'an, we present the scholarly findings of Schwally who found that:
“As far as the various pieces of revelation are concerned, we may be confident that their text has been generally transmitted EXACTLY AS IT WAS FOUND in the Prophet’s legacy.”
Schwally, Geschichte des Qorans, Leipzig: Dieterich’sche Verlagsbuchhandlung,1909-38, Vol.2, p.120.
In short, the Qur'an we have today is the SAME as that was revealed by the God of Jesus Christ.
zorin85 1 day ago
@zorin85 Dzulqarnian is claimed to be Alexander by your scholars…for it don’t have to be name but can be title or nickname- just as many know when we use Mo we are speaking of your prophet Muhammad. In fact many scholars argue Muhammad was a title which he used for his name. If Mo regales his followers with petty tales what is that to us- its like me saying a great man went up in mountains and saw rain come out of nowhere??
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
@zorin85 You nincompoop this Dzulqarnian is one endowed by your allah..this is great muslim & he says stupid thing…so if the best of muslim says silly things how much more will Muhammad and Muslims? Further the text says HE FOUND IT & not it APPEARED AS THOUGH. We are looking at Quran remember- after all bible is supposedly corrupt- so why u quoting from it- why u not quoting from this Islamic injil that Muslim claim one was & is now not: just like Loch ness monsters? hahaha! Stupid Muslims!
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
Even the epistles attributed to Paul were NOT written by him. After years of research, Catholics & Protestants alike agree that of the thirteen epistles attributed to Paul ONLY seven are genuinely his. They are: Romans, 1, 2 Corinthians, Galatians, Philipians, Philemon, and 1 Thessalonians.
The rest r ancient FORGERIES written by anonymous authors who PRETENDED to be Paul. They FALSELY claimed that God inspired what they had written - a MANIFEST DISHONESTY which the Qur'an condemns in 2:79.
zorin85 1 day ago
Sir Higgins admits:
“It is not unfair to suppose that in these withheld truths we have part of the modern Christian mysteries, and I think it will hardly be denied that the church, whose highest authorities held such doctrines, would not scruple to RETOUCH the sacred writings.”
Source: The Dead Sea Scrolls, the Gospel of Barnabas, and the New Testament, M. A. Yusseff, p.83
Retouched is a round-about way of saying the sacred writings (i.e. the Bible) has been TAMPERED with by human hands.
zorin85 1 day ago
Here is more DAMNING evidence against the CORRUPTED Bible.
St. Augustine himself, a man acknowledged and looked up to by both Protestants and Catholics alike, professed that there were SECRET doctrines in the Christian religion and that:
“…there were many things true in the Christian religion which it was not convenient for the vulgar [common people] to know, and that some things were FALSE, but convenient for the vulgar to believe in them.”
zorin85 1 day ago
‘Lanfranc, a Benedictine Monk, Archbishop of Canterbury, having found the Scriptures much CORRUPTED by copyists, applied himself to correct them, as also the writings of the fathers, agreeably to the orthodox faith, secundum fidem orthodoxam.”
Source: History of Christianity in the Light of Modern Knowledge, Higgins p.318.
Thus, even Xtian scholars r of the opinion that the Bible has undergone CONSTANT CHANGES & INTERPOLATIONS for a very long time. It is CORRUPTED - though not 100%.
zorin85 1 day ago
These “corrections” were by no means confined to the first centuries after Christ. Sir Higgins says:
“It is impossible to deny that the Bendictine Monks of St. Maur, as far as Latin and Greek language went, were very learned and talented, as well as numerous body of men. In Cleland’s ‘Life of Lanfranc, Archbishop of Canterbury’, is the following passage:
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zorin85 1 day ago
Only BLIND MORONS would dispute scholarly evidence that the Bible has been CORRUPTED.
Victor Tununensis, a 6th century African bishop related in his Chronicle (566 CE) that when Messala was consul at Costantinople (506 CE), he “censored and corrected” the Gentile Gospels written by persons considered illiterate by the Emperor Anastasius.
The implication was that they were altered to conform to sixth century Christianity which DIFFERED from the Christianity of previous centuries.
zorin85 1 day ago
If u wanna FAIL ur science paper, just read the Bible.
"Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all the kingdoms of the world" (Matt 4:8) This is a GEOGRAPHIC impossibility that DEFIES known laws of physics. Whoever wrote this FAIRY TALE had obviously no idea that due to the spherical shape of the earth u cannot even see the Taj Mahal from atop the mount Everest, let alone seeing "all the kingdoms of the world".
Did the Devil just take Jesus for a ride & CON him?
zorin85 1 day ago
In their PATHETIC DESPERATION to discredit the Qur'an, Xtian NINCOMPOOPS get busy blowing their brains out with their INFANTILE remarks. So funny.
The name Alexander is NOT mentioned in the Qur'an. It's Dzulqarnain - which is NOT the same as Iskandar (Arabic for Alexander). In Dzulkarnain's perception the sun appeared to set in the pool of water. The Qur'an is relating to his perspective & NOT stating a scientific fact.
How come Xtian SCUMS r unable to distinguish between appearance & reality
zorin85 1 day ago
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Did God has preserve every single book mentioned in the Bible? Their CORRUPTED Bible shows them just how far they have GONE ASTRAY from the Truth. Their Bible asks:
"... are they not written in the book of the annals of the kings of Judah?" (2 Kings 15:36)
"Is this not written in the Book of Jashar?" (Joshua 10:13)
"... are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet" (2 Chronicles 9:29)
Where r those books today? Why did God FAIL to preserve it?
zorin85 1 day ago
DEMENTED Xtians love to make a FOOL of themselves with their UTTERLY STUPID & UNSUBSTANTIATED remarks. Little wonder Xtianity is in such a SORRY state
What evidence is there the Prophet of Islam picked up knowledge on science & other cultures? Which university professor taught him those? Where did Buhaira or Waraqa claim any credit for teaching him about Xtianity?
Xtian IMBECILES r pretty impressive with their FANCIFUL speculations
The Qur'an does NOT say the mother of Jesus was Moses' sister
zorin85 1 day ago
@zorin85 U claim u believe in our God- BUT THIS IS FALSE since u have not proven u believe in OUR GOD.... he is the one who calls himself YHWH and used the Prophetic race as the Jews & sent Old Testament. This is our God. But you claim yes this is your god but he never sent old testament but some Torah (no one in Islam knows where??) so you expect us to believe in imaginery torah no one can produce or the OT we have?? And this is our God, & your proof is NO EVIDENCE but your silly interpretation
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
@zorin85 O Muslim...let's say your silly biblical corruption theory is correct- this WOULD MEAN allah your God left no sound witness of himself before the Quran & before Mo came along he had 100% failure record to keep his books safe...so why should we follow a god who is more pathetic than prophetic at keepin his books safe??
How can i suddenly trust him? Did he learn to look after his books? Can we trust him if he uses a sneaky Arab &spiritually ignorant who gives us no sure Knowledge of God?
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
How would DELUDED PAGAN Xtians explain away FALSE PROPHECIES uttered by Christ? Let's see how he CONNED his followers:
"When you are persecuted in one place, flee to another. I tell you the truth, you will not finish going through the cities of Israel before the Son of Man comes." (Matt 10:23)
He CRAPPED that he will return before they are able to go through all of the cities in Israel. Well, they have all GONE THROUGH & PERISHED, and Jesus still hasn’t returned. Did he get lost on the way?
zorin85 1 day ago
@zorin85 O Muslims you do seriously err when u say Muhammad is seal of prophets
In fact u say a blasphemous thing that God sent this unspiritual Arab to represent his Goodness!
SAY: I am deceived & deluded Muslim; the worst of men!
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
The Quran predicted the defeat of unbelievers in Mecca while the Prophet & his followers were still being persecuted by them:
“Or do they (the Meccan disbelievers) say: ‘We are a great multitude, and we shall be victorious?’ Their multitude will be defeated, , and they shall turn their backs [in flight]!” (Qur'an 54:45)
The prophecy was revealed in Mecca, but was fulfilled at the Battle of Badr, 2 years after the Prophet’s migration to the city of Medina.
Thus the prophecies r FULFILLED.
zorin85 1 day ago
@zorin85 anyway u keep going back to bible.....U DUMMY u claimed but not proved that some parts of bible is good & some are not....THIS IS THEORY u have not shown how we can know....what is the standard- modern scientists? quran? YOU DUMBSCHMUCK....I told you to show how 1st muslims would know since they neither had no modern science or a completed quran or any sound witness from allah.
From ur imbecilic theory we have to take Mo on face value- when we see he was a liar!!
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
@zorin85 DUMBO IT IS YOU WHO SAID YOU BELIEVE IN OUR GOD.....OUR GOD U NINCOMPOOP.....SO YOU MUST SHOW THAT OUR GOD SENT YOUR PROFIT......not that you believe your God is our God...so what many ppl believe Satan sleep in bad muslim noses this don't mean it is true?
SHOW US! Our God never lost his past books; but your allah did. Your allah used a foolish Arab, but ours didn't. Our God teaches how to spot a false prophet- yours doesn't. Ours name is YHWH & NOT allah but yours is.
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
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Jesus preached that salvation is granted to those who repent sincerely to God (the 3 parables in Luke 15; see also Ezekiel 18). The Qur'an affirms it as follows:
“And whoever does evil or wrongs himself but afterwards seeks God's forgiveness, he will find God Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (4:10, see also 11:52, 20:82, 39:53)
Jesus NEVER preached the Pauline dogma of the Original Sin (c.f. Matt 18:3, 19:14, see also Deut 24:16, Ezek 18:20) - the Qur'an AGREES with him (6:164, 17:15)
zorin85 1 day ago
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The Glorious Qur'an was revealed as the Furqan (Criterion) to distinguish between Truth & Falsehood. Whichever part of the Bible which is genuinely from God is accepted, while the FABRICATED/CORRUPTED portion is rejected. For instance,
All the prophets of Israel (including Jesus) preached that God is One & Only - the Qur'an endorses it (112:1, 59:22-24, 5:72, 2:255, et. al).
Trinity is a MAN-MADE BLASPHEMY devoid of God's truth - the Qur'an REPUDIATES it in no uncertain term (4:171, 5:73-75).
zorin85 1 day ago
I see no evidence for the fact to refute the concept that this individual, Muhammad, had to be developing this information from some place. So I see NOTHING here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write.”
Thus, even a university professor is convinced of the Qur'an's divine origin which is a living miracle of embryology, geology, hydrology, astronomy, psychology & other branches of science - which an uneducated man could NOT discover.
zorin85 1 day ago
Also he said: “As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Qur'an. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I knew today and describing things, I could not describe the things which were described.
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zorin85 1 day ago
@zorin85 so the scientific evidence doesn't show the Quran came down from heaven unchanged...further the hadith in form us there were many different qurans until Uthman edited his version. Also Muslims who boast Quran is 100% allah with no influence of profit are hard push to show Quran coming from higher intelligence when it is full of science, biblical error & christian fables that can be gleaned in Mo's time. And the prophecy is kind of guess work- unlike Isaiah speaking about Cross 100yrs b4
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
Consider the educated opinion by Dr. E. Marshall Johnson, Professor Emeritus of Anatomy and Developmental Biology at Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA.
"In summary, the Quran describes not only the development of external form, but emphasizes also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasizing major events recognized by contemporary science.”
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zorin85 1 day ago
@zorin85 Puin from an ancient manuscript can SEE for himself the text undergoing change and process :Puin noticed minor textual variations, unconventional ordering of the chapters (surahs), as well as rare styles of orthography. Then he noticed that the sheets were palimpsests - manuscripts with versions written even earlier that had been washed off or erased. This he SAW & recorded from oldest Quran in history.....of course sneaky Islam stopped him from looking further
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
Why do DERANGED Xtian MANGY DOGS persist in applying their FLAWED & DEMENTED criteria upon spiritual texts?
If Muslims alone extolled the Qur'an for being a God-inspired miracle, perhaps they could be accused of blowing their own trumpets. But when even non-Muslim Western scientists like come to the same conclusion, that is something for people with healthy brains to reflect upon.
Unfortunately, Xtians r RARELY known for possessing healthy brains. They have been ravaged long ago by MAGGOTS
zorin85 1 day ago
@zorin85 your argument is silly and can be easily countered since you boast in non Muslim Western scientists we will too- in fact ours is more weighty since Islam threatens ANYONE who criticizes it- Gerard Puin a scholar & lecturer of Arabic says:"There are dialectal and phonetical variations that don't make any sense in the text", says Puin. "The Arabic script is very defective - even more so in the early stages of its literature." This regards sana'a Quran.
The Professor also says of Quran:
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
@zorin85 My idea is that the Koran is a kind of cocktail of texts that were not all understood even at the time of Muhammad. Many of them may even be a hundred years older than Islam itself. Even within the Islamic traditions there is a huge body of contradictory information, including a significant Christian substrate; one can derive a whole Islamic anti-history from them if one wants.....
so not only Christians condemn Quran but also Western SCIENTISTS you Islamicist boast in- who condemn you
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
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If Xtian LUNATICS still insist on the CHILDISH MYTH that the Bible is preserved by God from any corruption, then answer the following:
Why do the contemporary versions of the Bible claim that "the earliest manuscripts and many other ancient witnesses do NOT have John 7:53—8:11"? Why was this passage EXPUNGED unceremoniously from the modern Bibles?
Why do Protestants EXCLUDE the Apocrypha from their canon but Catholics accept it?
Why r there 3 DIFFERENT endings to Mark's Gospel?
Explain!
zorin85 2 days ago
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Why r Xtian MORONS unable to explain these? EMBARRASSED by their own Bible?
In Matt1:17 there were were 28 generations from David to Jesus. BUT Luke 3:23-31 records only 43. What happened to the rest?
In Matt 1:16, Jacob is listed as Joseph's father BUT in Luke 3:23 it is Heli. Which is true?
According to Matt 1:23, he was supposed to be named Immanuel. BUT verse 25 states, he was named Jesus. How come? Another case of a FALSE prophecy? (and, believe me, there r PLENTY in the Bible)
zorin85 2 days ago
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It is tragic that FOOLISH Xtians seem to entertain the DELUSION that God has preserved every single book mentioned in the Bible. We will show them just how far they have GONE ASTRAY. Their Bible asks:
"... are they not written in the book of the annals of the kings of Judah?" (2 Kings 15:36)
"Is this not written in the Book of Jashar?" (Josh 10:13)
"... are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet" (2 Chronicles 9:29)
Where r those books today? Why did God FAIL to preserve it?
zorin85 2 days ago
Why is it so hard for DEMENTED Xtian TURDS to grasp the simple fact that whichever part of the Bible which the Qur'an affirms is pure & unadulterated while that which is rejected or contradicted is patently false & man-made. Even a 3-year old could see the logic in this.
Much scriptural & scholarly evidence have been put forth that the Bible has been FABRICATED in many places. Alas, only a chosen few r able to perceive it. As for others:
"be ever seeing, but NEVER perceiving" (Isaiah 6:9)
zorin85 2 days ago
@zorin85 so then we had bible as God's word until 700yrs later an Arab illiterate coming out of Desert, who has NO MIRACLES or NO PROPHETIC POWERS says he is last prophet of our God & says his name is written in our book.....when we go to book, we see this is not true but Muslims attempt to find his name & offer up silly interpretations on our book...but then we say to them...Mo said his name was in allah's book....SO WHY U DUMBSCHMUCKS showing us book of corruption?? ShoW US true one??
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
@zorin85 Dumb Muslims go dumb at this point!!!! And come up with Christians & jews corrupted it & now it's lost......this sounds great to silly Muslims(kind of a Muhammadan ploy to take the heat of themselves)....
But then we say to these dumb Islamicists: Mo said his name was in Scriptures...ie allah's past book..so WHY YOU SHOWING US A BOOK made up by corruptors? Mo is endorsed by corruptors? And NOT allah?? ahaha!
MO HAS TO SHOW HE IS IN TRUE BOOK......or do u expect us to believe this LIAR?
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
Whether they tempted Jesus or not, the bottom-line is Jesus told them quite emphatically that "NO SIGN WILL BE GIVEN". But Mark 16:20 & John 20:30 prove him to be a LIAR as he did give MANY signs. Even the Pharisees admitted that in John 11:47. If he did perform many signs, then why CRAP that "NO SIGN WILL BE GIVEN"?
On his 2nd coming, Jesus will EXTERMINATE his Jewish enemies in cold blood (Luke 19:27), worship God Almighty along with Muslims & usher a new era of God's kingdom on earth.
zorin85 2 days ago
A jumbled confused book? Only to those DERANGED Xtian IGNORAMUS. But not those who r truly enlightened.
Speaking about the Qur'an, Goethe (the supreme genius of modern German literature) says, "It soon attracts, astounds, and in the end enforces our reverence... Its style, in accordance with its contents and aim is stern, grand - ever and always, truly sublime - So, this book will go on exercising through all ages a most potent influence."
(quoted in T. P. Huges "Dictionary of Islam", p. 526)
zorin85 2 days ago
“The way it was explained to me is that Muhammad was a very ordinary man. He could not read or write. And we’re talking about 12 [actually about 14] hundred years ago.
You have someone illiterate making profound pronouncements & statements & that are amazingly accurate about scientific nature. And I personally can’t see how this could be a mere chance.
There are too many accuracies & I have no difficulty in my mind that this is a divine inspiration which led him to these statements.”
zorin85 2 days ago
@zorin85 Hey dumbo...Mo WAS illiterate NOT DEAF & DUMB.......he was a travelling merchant & travelled the world & picked up science, cultures etc from his trading....& he had SCRIBES....or did allah let his angel record it?? Have u forgotten your own quran compilation accounts: pieces on skin, pottery? IDIOT you already spoke about Nawfal & Bahira WHO BOTH TAUGHT HIM many biblical matters but MO's IMPERFECT memory made him confuse biblical accounts, events- Mary isn't Miriam Moses' sister??
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
@zorin85 plus we see Mo offering silly info that would astounding the insular 1st muslims- such as the sun sets in a pool of murky water?? Or that Alexander the Great was a muslim??? These are but few of the 100s of inaccuracies in Quran & we haven't include all those that would be if Mo hadn't come up with Abrogation theory....muslims love coming up with these theories to cover up their own stupidity..only dumb muslims get fooled by them.
Not chance- Mo knew 1st Muslims were ignorant ^ stupid
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
Many modern-day scientists have been astonished by the Quran's scientific miracles. Allow us to introduce to u Dr. T. V. N. Persaud, Professor of Anatomy, Pediatrics & Child Health, and Professor of Obstetrics, Gynecology, and Reproductive Sciences at the University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada.
There, he was the Chairman of the Department of Anatomy for 16 years. He is well-known in his field. He is the author or editor of 22 textbooks and has published over 181 scientific papers.
zorin85 2 days ago
MUSLIMS ARE MASTERS OF IGNORANCE AND DECEPTION BEING DECEIVED AND DECEIVING OTHERS ABOUT SCRIPTURE AS IF THEY ARE WISER THAN CHRISTIANS AND HAVE ANSWERS ABOUT THE BIBLE HA HA HA LOL
ANSWERER TO QUESTION ABOUT SIGNS
MARK 8:11-13 THE PHARISEES CAME FORTH AND BEGAN TO QUESTION JESUS AND SEEKING A SIGN FROM HEAVEN AS PROOF THAT HE IS CHRIST THE MESSIAH THE SON OF GOD ***TEMPTING HIM*** TEMPTING JESUS***
AFTER HAVING SEEN MANY SIGNS WONDERS AND MIRACLES THEY REFUSED TO BELIEVE JOHN 12:37
holyspiritdove 2 days ago
See how Christ CONTRADICTED himself.
In Mark 8:12 he said, "Why does this generation ask for a miraculous sign? I tell you the truth, NO SIGN WILL BE GIVEN TO IT."
No sign? None at all? He can't be serious now, can he? Doesn't 16:20 claim "... the Lord worked with them & confirmed his word by the SIGNS that accompanied it"? Was Mark DRUNK when he wrote that?
John 20:30 also CRAPS "Jesus did many other miraculous SIGNS in the presence of his disciples"
So, NO sign or MANY signs? Take ur pick.
zorin85 2 days ago
@zorin85 There is nothing miraculous with the Quran the only feature is How incredulous the book is: it's amazing any1 would think it is a good book much less a divine book- so bad is it's compilation, diction & clarity. That is why a translation is fool parenthesis to give some meaning to the jumbled up text!
Plus in it is doctrines, philosophies, science known in Muhammad's time- there is no REAL prophetic content- Mo gives us no HARD FACTS regards past covenants, BIBLE, Islamic? jews & xtians
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
@zorin85 hahahaha!
You muslims make silly boasts: like u don't need bible....yet you NEED IT when you have to refer to your allah when you talking about your allah b4 Quran.,
TELL ME SHOW ME YOUR ALLAH B4 QURAN....what witness or record did your allah leave of himself B4(BEFORE THE QURAN)...U DO KNOW WHAT I AM ASKING... 4when we ask this, Muslims answer from the Quran....but my question would mean QURAN NEVER EXISTED THEN....or do u think we playing back2future?? this non-fiction not fiction
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
@zorin85 O Muslim Mutilators,
Christ Crucifiers
Messiah Murderers
God Haters
Spirit Blasphemers
You see how foolish your theories are.....for even when we reason from what your purport you are vague & sneaky like your own profit. WE ASK YOU TO SHOW US IMPLICATIONS OF CORRUPT BIBLE...and then u give us baby talk regards the matter??
Give us cold hard facts?? Your incompetent allah left no SOUND WITNESS of himself B4 Arab profit- how we know he changed prophetic line from Jews to Arab? HOW?
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
THE QURAN IS A LYING WONDER A TOOL OF THE ANTI CHRIST.
holyspiritdove 2 days ago
The Qur'an itself is a LIVING MIRACLE that has transcended the passing of ages & continues to astound modern-minds with scientific & factual pronouncements far ahead of its time. So, even if Xtian RETARDS deny the 300 miracles of the Prophet, the miracle of the Qur'an itself is enough to DEMOLISH their CHILDISH claims.
Fabricated hadith? Like the FABRICATED stories in the CORRUPTED NT (e.g. John 7:53—8:11)? That's a JOKE in itself, coming from Xtian IMBECILES. Hadith record historical events.
zorin85 2 days ago
@zorin85 "The miracle of the Quran"- is Mo's silly tool to bring some respectablility to his profithood....since he had NO miracle- he made up excuse the book that comes via his psyche was Miracle.....God doesn't back him with miracles but Mo endorses his own book saying it is miraculous. Does the Idiot know what a miracle is??
One of Mo's scribes did finish a sura by interjecting..'best of creators'- Mo told him to use this for his quran & the scribe realised he could do what Mo could do!
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
@zorin85 Mo told us he was in past book- HE HAS NOT SHOWN US THIS IS TRUE....so we have not reason or proof he is a prophet. Especially as from his character, words & lifestyle he was more profit than prophet. He has NO real spiritual insight & has offered up a silly book that is laughable & banal- full of matter about the life of the deluded profit of Islam. Why does allah show us a 7th century robber, spiritually ignorant as example to world?? That's why Terrorists have Mo as best example!
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
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If Xtian NINCOMPOOPS still insist on the STUPID MYTH that the Bible is preserved by God from any corruption, then answer the following:
Why do the contemporary versions of the Bible claim that "the earliest manuscripts and many other ancient witnesses do NOT have John 7:53—8:11"? Why was this passage EXPUNGED unceremoniously from the modern Bibles?
Why do Protestants EXCLUDE the Apocrypha from their canon but Catholics accept it?
Why r there 3 DIFFERENT endings to Mark's Gospel?
Explain!
zorin85 3 days ago
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Why r Xtian DUMBASS unable to explain these? EMBARRASSED by their own Bible?
In Matt1:17 there were were 28 generations from David to Jesus. BUT Luke 3:23-31 records only 43. What happened to the rest?
In Matt 1:16, Jacob is listed as Joseph's father BUT in Luke 3:23 it is Heli. Which is true?
According to Matt 1:23, he was supposed to be named Immanuel. BUT verse 25 states, he was named Jesus. How come? Another case of a FALSE prophecy? (and, believe me, there r PLENTY in the Bible)
zorin85 3 days ago
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It is tragic that IDIOTIC Xtians seem to entertain the DELUSION that God has preserved every single book mentioned in the Bible. We will show them just how far they have GONE ASTRAY. Their Bible asks:
"... are they not written in the book of the annals of the kings of Judah?" (2 Kings 15:36)
"Is this not written in the Book of Jashar?" (Josh 10:13)
"... are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet" (2 Chronicles 9:29)
Where r those books today? Why did God FAIL to preserve it?
zorin85 3 days ago
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As a result, Muslim ONLY accept those portion of the Bible which is genuinely from God. The part of which, was written by men who were NOT divinely inspired is rejected outright or treated with utmost skepticism. But how do we establish which portion of the Bible is from God?
The Qur'an is also known as Al Furqan (chapter 25) which means the Criterion - to distinguish between Truth & Falsehood. Thus, whichever part of the Bible which AGREES with the Quran is accepted as genuine revelation.
zorin85 3 days ago
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Let's get one thing clear. No Muslim would say the Bible is 100% corrupted & neither does the Quran support that position. What Muslims believe is that, in addition to the words of God (which r still found in the Bible), there r also words of prophets, historians & other less worthy sources which is NOT meant to be there. Worse, there r known FORGERIES & anonymous writings by those who FALSELY claimed they were inspired by God.
This DISHONEST attitude is CONDEMNED in the Qur'an 2:79.
zorin85 3 days ago
For those CONCEITED Jews who deny Jesus & those PERVERSELY ARROGANT Xtians who reject the prophethood of Muhammad, we could only share the predicaments of the prophets Ezekiel & Zechariah
"Son of man, you are living among a rebellious people. They have eyes to see but do not see & ears to hear but do not hear, for they are a rebellious people" (12:2)
"But they refused to pay attention; stubbornly they turned their backs & stopped up their ears" (7:11)
Thus is the lot of sinners & blasphemers.
zorin85 3 days ago
Even after 2000 years, only an extremely tiny number of Jews have accepted Jesus. The overwhelming majority continue to treat him as an impostor, illegitimate son of Mary (may God forbid us for even saying this), devil's disciple, & the worst insult of all - the FALSE MESSIAH.
Why would they do such things to Jesus if he was indeed the Messiah they r waiting for?
Try preaching those messianic prophecies to them & see the kind of answer they gonna come up with. It'll b FRUSTRATING for Xtians.
zorin85 3 days ago
@zorin85 THE BIBLE CLEARLY SAYS THE JEWS WILL REFUSE TO BELIEVE UNTIL THEY THEY ARE PERSECUTED BY ANTI CHRIST AND ARE UNABLE TO DEFEND THEMSELVES ANY LONGER THEN THEY WILL CALL AGAIN ON THE GOD OF ISRAEL FOR THE MESSIAH TO COME AND SAVE THEM
THEN YAHWEH WILL SEND JESUS CHRIST THE SON OF GOD FROM HEAVEN AND HE WILL APPEAR AT THE MOUNT OF OLIVES AND JEWS WILL BE HORRIFIED AND REPENT FOR REJECTING JESUS BEFORE &JESUS WILL KILL THE ANTI CHRIST AND DESTROY ALL MUSLIM NATIONS WHO ATTACK ISRAEL
AMEN
holyspiritdove 2 days ago
Such an attitude is not altogether unexpected from people claiming to b religious & knowledgeable. Just look at Xtian-Jewish relations. Till today, Xtian RETARDS boast there r about 300 messianic prophecies in the OT foretelling the coming of Jesus as the Messiah.
300 prophecies? Quite an astonishing figure, u will agree. And yet not even 1 of those 300 is able to convince the Jewish people that Jesus was indeed their awaited Messiah. In fact they have persuasive answer to each of those.
zorin85 3 days ago
It is perhaps of the greatest irony that BLIND & DELUDED Xtians continue to deny the divinely appointed prophethood of Muhammad as God's Last & Final Messenger despite his advent being foretold in the UNCORRUPTED part of their Scripture & the many signs & wonders he had displayed throughout his prophetic mission.
This happens to people when they willfully choose to remain BLIND to the Truth & r unwilling to consider facts & evidence presented. Prejudice, bigotry & arrogance go hand in hand.
zorin85 3 days ago
Here is further evidence that something was seemingly wrong with Jesus.
Many of them said, "He is demon-possessed and raving mad. Why listen to him?" (John 10:20)
"You are demon-possessed," the crowd answered. (7:20)
At this the Jews exclaimed, "Now we know that you are demon-possessed! (8:52)
Was Jesus a demon-possessed, raving lunatic? Just because Jews have alleged it, does that make him a false prophet & charlatan?
We will let Xtian HYPOCRITES be ASHAMED of their own double-standard.
zorin85 3 days ago
Does insulting a prophet as a liar & mad deny him the office of Prophethood? DERANGED Xtian SWINES seem to think so. Let's see what the family & critics of Christ thought about him & his preaching:
When his family heard about this, they went to take charge of him, for they said, "He is out of his mind." (Mark 3:21)
For even his own brothers did not believe in him. (John 7:5)
It is truly TRAGIC that in the case of Jesus his own family thought him to be mad & a liar. Were they justified?
zorin85 3 days ago
Thus, there isn't a shred of evidence that either Uthman, Hafsah or anyone tampered with the text of the Qur'an. Even if they had wanted to, it would have been VIRTUALLY IMPOSSIBLE as the complete Qur'an had been memorised by thousands of Muslims living at that time. Any attempt to corrupt the text would have been known to them & the culprit exposed
The Uthmanic Recension merely standardised the recitation of the text by introducing diacritical marks that allowed a uniform reading. Nothing more
zorin85 3 days ago
Dr. John Burton states that the Quran as we have it today is:
“…the text which has come down to us in the form in which it was organized & approved by the Prophet.. What we have today in our hands IS the mushaf of Muhammad"
Schwally concurs that:
“As far as the various pieces of revelation are concerned, we may be confident that their text has been generally transmitted EXACTLY as it was found in the Prophet’s legacy.”
(Source: Geschichte des Qorans, Leipzig,1909-38, Vol.2, p.120)
zorin85 3 days ago
Is the Qur'an that we have today the SAME as that was revealed to the Prophet & recorded by his trusted companions? If Muslims r to answer this in the affirmative, Xtian BABOONS would jump in their cages & claim we r to hoodwink them.
Therefore, let us be generous & quote from a couple of credible Xtian scholar of early Muslim texts.
(continued above)
zorin85 3 days ago
The abominable sin of shirik in Islam is to associate partners with the One True God of Jesus. If a Muslim worships any other besides God, they automatically fall outside the pale of Islam. That is why the Prophet is NEVER worshiped at any time.
Only Xtians r excited in committing that heinous blasphemy when they FOOLISHLY claim Jesus is God incarnate. Such a DISGUSTING & UTTERLY SILLY concept can be found in PAGAN mystery religions where gods & goddesses frequently descend as mortals.
zorin85 3 days ago
If the devil had succeeded in leading a man astray, that honour goes to Paul the DECEIVER. Consider his CONFLICTING testimonies:
'And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, hearing a voice, but seeing no man' (Acts 9:7)
'And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.' (22:9)
Did they hear the voice or not? Did they see anyone or not?
Perhaps the Devil can help Xtians exonerate Paul the CON-MAN.
zorin85 3 days ago
Exodus 34:29-30 talks about the glorious radiance that emanated from the face of Moses. That was yet another physical sign bestowed upon God's prophet.
Thus, even the Bible records incidents of physical signs accompanying prophets of God. Those signs r not the same but they vary according to the individual & what God has determined for them.
So, why should Muslims disbelieve when Buhaira bore testimony to the physical sign of prophethood he had witnessed? Was there any reason for him to lie?
zorin85 3 days ago
So, the manifestation of physical sign does not amount to divine approval upon a person? Once again HARE-BRAINED Xtian SCUMS demonstrate their IGNORANCE of their own CORRUPTED scripture. Shame.
Was it not true that a star (a physical sign) guided the Magi to Jesus in Bethlehem as a sign that he was the awaited Messiah (Matt 2)?
Was it not true that Zechariah was unable to speak (another physical sign) as a fulfillment of God's promise that he will be the father of the prophet John (Luke 1:20)?
zorin85 3 days ago
Where do Muslim sources claim the Prophet authored the Qur'an? How could an illiterate man compose such an incredibly soul-stirring & intellectually uplifting religious treatise which continues to exercise potent influence in attracting a large segment of humanity to the worship of the God of Jesus?
What academic qualification the Prophet had that the Qur'an contains up-to-date scientific & historical information?
Xtian IMBECILES r only shooting their feet off with their EMBARRASSING remarks.
zorin85 3 days ago
Heretics? DELUDED Xtian PAGANS have been very busy raining down anathema upon rival Xtian sects for the past 2000 years. As if cursing fellow Xtians is not enough, competing churches who disagree with their own DEMENTED theology have been routinely massacred & expelled. U read all about that in the history of the Xtian Dark Ages.
The Dark Side of Christian History by Helen Ellerbe is good book to start with. Who r these BRAINLESS MORONS to denounce Buhaira & Waraqa as heretics? Matt 7:1-5?
zorin85 3 days ago
The UNADULTERATED part of the Bible testifies to the advent of the Prophet as the Last & Final emissary sent forth by the One True God whom Christ worshiped. If that was not so, why would learned Christian scholars like the monk Buhaira & Waraqah ibn Naufal attest to his prophethood?
Why would a respected Jewish rabbi like Abdullah bin Salam insist that he recognised the signs of prophethood upon him as foretold in the Tanakh?
Why r Christian clergies being motivated to become Muslims today?
zorin85 3 days ago
@zorin85 HEY DUMBO....you haven't given us any reason for us to believe THERE ARE UNADULTERATED parts of the Bible- HOW DO WE KNOW WHAT PARTS ARE WHAT???
We told u guys- we r not stupid muslims who worship muhammad & say allah & his apostle is (always) right! R u saying this Arab illiterate who claims his name is in our bible- is the same one who now tells us the bible is corrupt & all good bits are from his quran....we are Christians not Muslim IDIOTS!
christ4all2allmyall 2 days ago
@christ4all2allmyall Hey, did you get my message? Or are you too afraid to answer?
DerelictDeciever 2 days ago
@DerelictDeciever yes I did U Islamophile......be patient!
U nincompoop..You say you respect Islam & then you disparage the bible....well IDIOT the prophet of Islam endorsed the bible SO YOU MUST TOO unless you lied when you said you respect Islam??
Either you believe Muhammad is Liar & bible is corrupt or you respect Islam & you are a fool & idiot to believe bible is corrupt.
Go and do your homework Boy...THE founder of religion u respect says bible is sound.
NO SHUT UP!
christ4all2allmyall 1 day ago
But how many philosophers worked wonders & miracles which would naturally accompany them if they were sent by God? None did. Did they claim to be sent by God? NEVER! Did they claim to be God's messengers? Ditto.
Not only the Qur'an claimed the Prophet was sent by God as His divinely appointed messenger unto the whole world, he was also able to perform 300 authentic miracles as recorded in hadeeth.
Moreover the Qur'an itself is a living miracle that enabled many to believe in its divine message
zorin85 3 days ago
@zorin85 shut up! perhaps the philosophers were wiser than Muhammad & realised acting like a true prophet was madness. Mo had NO MIRACLES....quran said Mo was JUST A WARNER,,,,,do hadith writers KNOW MORE THAN your allah?? From the historical evidence, i.e those immediately around him & records Mo was not KNOWN FOR MIRACLES.. it is only later fabricated hadith came into play when Muslims realised boastin in NON MIRACULOUS man as best of prophets was laughable compared to MIRACLES OF JESUS.
christ4all2allmyall 2 days ago
@zorin85 so why has allah failed to mention any of these authenticated miracles?? Did he forget?? Or did he make BIG BIG ERROR in boasting about his prophet but failing to realise that an Apostle or Prophet needs signs & wonders in order to establish a SO CALLED NEW COVENANT!
The Quran is a jumbled confused book that NEEDS hadith to make it bearable much less readable. For even with context of hadith in it- the Quran is still repetitious rantings of a spiritual ignorant.
christ4all2allmyall 2 days ago
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If Xtian FAGGOTS still insist on the DISCREDITED MYTH that the Bible is preserved by God from any corruption, then answer the following:
Why do the contemporary versions of the Bible claim that "the earliest manuscripts and many other ancient witnesses do NOT have John 7:53—8:11"? Why was this passage EXPUNGED unceremoniously from the modern Bibles?
Why do Protestants EXCLUDE the Apocrypha from their canon but Catholics accept it?
Why r there 3 DIFFERENT endings to Mark's Gospel?
Explain!
zorin85 4 days ago
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U still don't believe the Bible has been FABRICATED? Consider these:
In Matt1:17 there were were 28 generations from David to Jesus. BUT Luke 3:23-31 records only 43. What happened to the rest?
In Matt 1:16, Jacob is listed as Joseph's father BUT in Luke 3:23 it is Heli. Which is true?
According to Matt 1:23, he was supposed to be named Immanuel. BUT verse 25 states, he was named Jesus. How come? Another case of a FALSE prophecy? (and, believe me, there r PLENTY in the Bible)
Explain it!
zorin85 4 days ago
It is tragic that IDIOTIC Xtians seem to entertain the DELUSION that God has preserved every single book mentioned in the Bible. We will show them just how far they have GONE ASTRAY. Their Bible asks:
"... are they not written in the book of the annals of the kings of Judah?" (2 Kings 15:36)
"Is this not written in the Book of Jashar?" (Joshua 10:13)
"... are they not written in the records of Nathan the prophet" (2 Chronicles 9:29)
Where r those books today? Why did God FAIL to preserve it?
zorin85 4 days ago
@zorin85 hey dumbo!! U FORGETTIN U HAVE SAID BIBLE IS CORRUPT....THEREFORE BIBLE CAN NEVER BE USED AS A REFERENCE OR GUIDE FOR US.....SINCE IT IS DUMB MUSLIMS WHO CLAIM IT IS CORRUPT & THE SAME DUMB MUSLIMS WHO WILL INFORM US WHAT IS GOOD & WHAT IS WRONG IN IT......this is not REASONABLE.........only dumb muslims would believe such stupidity!!
christ4all2allmyall 3 days ago
Jesus preached that salvation is granted to those who repent sincerely to God (the 3 parables in Luke 15; see also Ezekiel 18). The Qur'an affirms it as follows:
“And whoever does evil or wrongs himself but afterwards seeks God's forgiveness, he will find God Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (4:10, see also 11:52, 20:82, 39:53)
Jesus NEVER preached the Pauline dogma of the Original Sin (c.f. Matt 18:3, 19:14, see also Deut 24:16, Ezek 18:20) - the Qur'an AGREES with him (6:164, 17:15)
zorin85 4 days ago
The Glorious Qur'an was revealed as the Furqan (Criterion) to distinguish between Truth & Falsehood. Whichever part of the Bible which is genuinely from God is accepted, while the FABRICATED/CORRUPTED portion is rejected. For instance,
All the prophets of Israel (including Jesus) preached that God is One & Only - the Qur'an endorses it (112:1, 59:22-24, 5:72, 2:255, et. al).
Trinity is a MAN-MADE BLASPHEMY devoid of God's truth - the Qur'an REPUDIATES it in no uncertain term (4:171, 5:73-75).
zorin85 4 days ago
@zorin85 the Quran isn't 100% coming via Muhammad- that is 2say NO MUSLIM CAN SHOW Uthman included everything that came via Mo's mouth & Mo said was of Quran. Hafsa's quran was destroyed & this was b4 uthman's & Uthman destroyed other versions of Quran.
If Muslim's don't do Association....then why do they have Mo included in Shahadah? And why under Islamic theology 100% allah's word only comes via quran that is 100% supposedly coming via Muhammad? allah NEEDS MUHAMMAD 2 give 100% to his words
christ4all2allmyall 3 days ago
@zorin85 again how can we believe ALL the prophets preached one God if it comes via Muhammad?? We have NOT shown YET MUHAMMAD IS A PROPHET??
REMEMBER IDIOT...WE DON'T HAVE BIBLE....SO WE ONLY GOT WHAT AN ARAB ILLITERATE SAYS....& THIS ARAB ILLITERATE HAS NO REFERENCE POINT BUT TO SAY.....THE BOOK I SAY IS CORRUPT SPEAKS ABOUT ME BUT IT IS THE BITS THAT I SAY IS TRUE ABOUT ME THAT IS OK. THE BITS THAT SHOW I AM A LIAR & FALSE PROPHET U CAN SAY IS CORRUPT......SHUT UP THIS IS MUSLIM MADNESS!!
christ4all2allmyall 3 days ago
For the benefit of those Xtians who r MENTALLY DERANGED, I reiterate that even Xtian scholars of the Bible have come to recognize it as a FLAWED & CORRUPTED text. I invite Xtian IMBECILES to ponder the following
Why would a committed, born-again Xtian fundamentalist like Dr. Bart Ehrman renounce Xtianity in favour of agnosticism when he was studying in a Bible institute? U will find the answer in the opening pages of his international bestseller, Misquoting Jesus.
Read it for ur own benefit.
zorin85 4 days ago
At the same time, however, millions of others r embracing this faith - WITHOUT the benefit of being influenced by the Bible or by studying Judaeo-Christian doctrines. Atheists, agnostics, Hindus, Buddhists are among those who don't give a second thought about Xtianity but they r still drawn to accept Islam as God's Truth revealed for the benefit of His creation.
This goes to show that even WITHOUT the backing of Judaism & Xtianity, Islam can still stand on its own & attract new converts.
zorin85 4 days ago
Thus, they gave full credence to the Prophet's mission as foretold by the prophets of old & embraced Islam. Among those include the Abyssinian Xtian king Negus who became a Muslim before his demise. More on this, can be read in the book Muhammad in the Bible by David B. Keldani (former Catholic priest)
Even today, we witness Xtian priests, pastors & preachers coming to Islam - by studying the Bible. Among those r Yusuf Estes, Dr. Jerald Dirks, Idris Tawfiq, Kenneth L. Jenkins & Joshua Evans.
zorin85 4 days ago
At the same time, knowledgeable Christian clergies like the monk Buhaira, Waraqah ibn Naufal & the learned Jewish rabbi Abdullah ibn Salam recognised the signs of divine prophethood upon the person of Muhammad.
As scholars who r well versed with their respective Scriptures they could discern for themselves the advent of the Last Prophet foretold in the UNCORRUPTED portions of their Scripture, like in the books of Deuteronomy, Daniel, Isaiah & the authentic sayings of Jesus the Nazarene.
zorin85 4 days ago
The 1st generation of Muslims accepted Islam because of the eloquent message of the Qur'an, the sublime & truthful character of the Prophet, and how the simple, down-to-earth doctrine of Islam is practical & appealed to reason. They didn't have to read the Bible to recognise the truth of Islam.
Even today, there r millions of people who continue to embrace Islam because of its message. Just how many of them studied the Bible before accepting it? Hardly. Islam is NOT dependent on the Bible.
zorin85 4 days ago
@zorin85 O dumb & depraved Muslim: U say Muslims accepted Islam bcos of eloquent message of Quran & so called character of Prophet & how simple & appealing to reason this is?? By the silly quran Muslims believe for u this is a false reason?? For there were many philosophers who could also claim this but they were not sent of God. This shows DUMB Muslims in Mo's days & now don't know the CRITERION for a Prophet!! Even NOW pastors have better criteria than ur profit but they aren't PROPHETS!
christ4all2allmyall 3 days ago